>>739383762
I wish Valve would just stick to steam.

>>739383862
But the image shows Steam Frame, Steam Machine and Steam Controller?

Forgotten by Valve, you mean

>>739383959
Don't be a dense faggot

>>739383862
>more options is... bad!
Let me just keep using my 5th dualsense and wait for it to start drifting.

>>739383862
Steam Frame looks like it's going to be a good product if you want a visor to play driving and flying sims.
Right now you have to use shit like the Quest and their META cancer malware.

I already packed my steam controller away and brought my 8bitdo ultimate 2 back out. No xinput in the current year is fucking insane, what were they smoking. Not to mention the fire hazard puck. Didn't want an animal knocking it over and it magnetizing to my desk leg burning my home down while I'm at work.

>>739384575
Nobody actually gives a fuck about the xinput shit. Just use steam, and port non steam games. Or use Linux

>>739384061
Even your criticisms are just hot, moist air, Valve is excellent at sticking to Steam.
>>739384575
There was never a reason to have Xinput in the first place, the only reason that devs started implementing it is because the official DirectInput drivers for the 360 were deliberately designed like shit and even the Xinput drivers for it weren't a strict upgrade to fixed DirectInput drivers. Reminder that Microsoft deliberately flubbed its own proprietary standard just so that it could force everyone to start using a less capable standard.
>Fire hazard puck
It's 5V and is only an issue with chinkshit chargers that turn anything into a suicide plug, if you have a problem just unplug it.

>>739383762
Done

>>739383762
>Save up specifically for the Steam Frame
>Become unemployed
>Can't find another job
>Slowly losing money to rent and bills
>Won't be able to afford Steam Frame when it comes out
It fucking hurts bros

>>739383862
Right, and bend over to Microsoft like a bitch?

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>>739383762
Do you think the guy who kept calling Gabe fat (uncalled for btw) is enjoying his controller?

another valvejeet coping thread

>>739385246
>Reminder that Microsoft deliberately flubbed its own proprietary standard just so that it could force everyone to start using a less capable standard.
So they are all massive cucks?

>>739387868
jeets don't use steam

OHHHHH, JANNIES. We got another one. Yep, extra stinky.

>>739385246
>chinkshit chargers
aren't you supposed to have it connected to your PC?

>>739383862
its good to have hobbies

>>739383762
The Frame looks like the most comfortable VR headset ever, I wish it came with the hability to use displayport as well.

>>739385246
>Even your criticisms are just hot, moist air, Valve is excellent at sticking to Steam.
This, anyone wants Valve, Sony, or Nintendo to just cuck out to Microsoft's Windows is a cuck, a poor one at that.

>>739390895
anyone who wants consoles to exist is a cuck
corporations with such shit track record don't deserve to sell devices with absolute control over their users

>>739390993
You lost Winblow shill

>>739391031
i have linux installed
hence why i emphasised freedom in my post
consoles are the antithesis to freedom
they're goyslave hardware that exploit people

>>739387428
Microsoft has quite a grip on PC games and the compatibility. Hard to beat their controller as well.

Why does it seem Frame is going to be released before the Machine? isn't VR dead?

>>739391108
Dude, not even Valve is dumb enough to currently release any new games they make outside of Steam, new era of gaming is built on ecosystems. If you're too poor to own it all, you should do everyone a favor and shut your poor ass up. You're a drainage on the discussions of video games because you're either too cheap or poor to buy everything of worth.

>>739391205
Thus, why Valve chose to say fuck em and make their own operating system as a safe haven from Microjeet.

>>739391413
Good luck getting people to buy it when it can't play most multiplayer stuff or Roblox.

>>739391606
Who gives a shit if it can't, it doesn't need normalfags.

>>739391781
You are outnumbered. Normans run the world. Any product has to appeal to really be a large scale success.

>>739383862
I'm glad I have a Steam controller.

>>739383762
I'm still excited for the Steam Frame. Valve hasn't said anything about further delays so I think they'll ship next month, right?

>>739383862
I don't. Microsoft can basically do whatever they want, so Valve needs to make plays like this every now and then to keep them on their toes. Valve's end-game is to push an alternative OS for gaming. This is GREATLY needed in the long-term as Microsoft moves to make consoles more PC-like. If Valve doesn't do something now they run the risk of Microsoft making gaming more intrinsic to the Windows OS and basically strong-arming business away from them.

>>739391304
>not even Valve is dumb enough to currently release any new games they make outside of Steam
they have literally zero reason to give a shit about other pc storefronts when it takes 5 minutes to install steam
and their games are technically on consoles already, they're just being blocked by consolecuck corpos with their hardware locks

>you're either too cheap or poor to buy everything of worth
no, consoles are simply an insult to my intelligence and they should be to yours too
all they fucking are is the same pc hardware but locked down to benefit a corporation and not the consumer
why are you such a fucking faggot bootlicker?

>>739391606
>Good luck getting people to buy it when it can't play most multiplayer stuff or Roblox.
same argument of a person who in the 1600s would have said "why invest in Americas when they don't have any of the spices we like?". AKA you are spiritually dead, a complete p-zombie who cannot think more than 1 step ahead. the point is to push this alternate OS as a viable alternative to the point where companies will take it seriously (Valve has actually somewhat accomplished this with the Steam Deck, you can frequently see releases trying to target "Steam Deck compatibility").

>>739391989
Their products are getting more expensive, thus things will become more niche, there won't be a place for those 7th/8th gen type of gamers in the future, and that's a good thing.

>>739392258
Yeah well how many units did that sell? The Americas offered something. They had vast natural resources and land area. Unreal untapped potential.

>>739392118
I want these console companies to have an identity, a legacy, I don't want them to be an Xbox, which has none. Just another reason why I want Valve to stay the way they are, pushing Steam Hardware, pushing SteamOS, pushing Steam, and making their own first-party games for all of them over kneeling to Microsoft. If Microsoft doesn't want to have an identity or legacy, they need to stay out of everyone else's way.

>>739392427
their identity is farming fucking cattle
that's what a console fundamentally is, restrictions that only benefit a corporation and you sucking up to them because of muh vibes and childhood attachment
consoles can keep existing if they really want to, they just need to move to being hardware that ships linux and focuses on their storefronts without excluding others if you want to have an excuse for worshipping them

>>739392556
They're consoles, you want that, get a PC. That's why the internet has become increasingly shit, they kept giving normalfags access to it through easier means.

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I really want a frame. Waiting.

>>739384315
This. I love my Index, but it's kinda bulky and annoying when I want to play sitting VR. All I want is to have a VR headset that allows me to look around, but use my hands on a mouse/KB for movement. I think the best use of VR is blending traditional input methods with putting yourself into the 3d environment.


Arma with EyeTracker support allowing you to freely look around with your head while having the M/KB for pivoting and moving your body was kino, but limited.

>>739392674
>They're consoles
and a console is strictly a negative that you only want to exist because you're a cuck in love with corporations fucking your ass

>>739392556
That's no different than GPU companies charging sky high prices just to play a digital toy. People that pay those prices are no better than console users.

>>739392826
See
>>739392829

>>739392826
Consoles are meant to be affordable game machines, not PCs.

>>739392829
no one is making you buy overpriced cards, just don't buy the 5090, you don't have to, you have a choice
and who the fuck do you think makes those cards? the same fucking people that make your console silicon
consoles are fundamentally defined by a lack of choice that you're defending because you liked them when you were a kid and still haven't grown out of it

>>739392986
and they're failing hard when it comes to value now

>>739393105
Even a 5090 stutters in new games. Still doesn't get exclusives. When you go in and buy a console to play a game you know for a fact it will run it right. They do a good job for the price.

>>739393105
>and they're failing hard when it comes to value now
Thus, Nintendo releases a handheld and why Sony is returning to native handheld gaming.

>>739385246
There is a massive advantage for xinput for standard controllers, there is an assumption about where the buttons are so they can be automapped. Steam controller needed a dip switch that made reptile mode use xinput.

>>739393381
>Even a 5090 stutters in new games.
i don't care about your windows issues

>Still doesn't get exclusives.
an anticonsumer practice, not a selling point that you need to hold games hostage to push mediocre hardware you don't truly own

>When you go in and buy a console to play a game you know for a fact it will run it right.
as long as your definition of right aligns with consolecuck corpo's definition of it
no settings options lmao

>>739393407
relevance? if anything focusing on handhelds makes consoles less worthwhile since you're now on the same tier as phones and the portability tax is massive

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>>739383862
I wish Valve would just stick to ste-

>>739393637
Exclusives keep competition healthy so none of them get lazy. Why doesn't Gabe put CS2 and Dota on Epic? Wouldn't that be pro consumer?

Every game I have played on a PS5 looks fantastic.

>>739393840
>Exclusives keep competition healthy so none of them get lazy.
exclusives lower competition by making it easier to sell your game since it competes with fewer games

>Why doesn't Gabe put CS2 and Dota on Epic? Wouldn't that be pro consumer?
because it's already available on every single pc?
at no point have i said anything about storefronts not being able to do whatever they want as long as they're easily accessible
consoles specifically are locked down and against competition with other storefronts

>>739393840
>Exclusives keep competition healthy so none of them get lazy

Because no corporation has ever tried to buy exclusives to prop up their shitty platform, that would never happen

>>739393945
Exclusives put the pressure on other manufacturers to make a great product. Like Fortnite on the Epic Store pushes Valve into making the best games that they can and vice versa.

What if someone doesn't want to download another storefront to get it?

>>739394110
no, console exclusivity specifically discourages competition
let's say you want to leave steam
it's a 5 minute process to install another storefront
let's say you want to leave consoles
you're now spending hundreds on new hardware
it's easier to compete on consoles because the wall is much higher

>>739393637
>relevance? if anything focusing on handhelds makes consoles less worthwhile since you're now on the same tier as phones and the portability tax is massive
Good, console gaming became shit because of the PS3 and Xbox 360, they don't need more power, they need less, same with PCs. Graphicfags need to be pushed out with insane high prices for fucking the industry for so many years. Stupid bastards.

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Moment of silence for the steamies that died waiting on gabe's quest 3

>>739394238
spoken like a retard that hasn't seen more than 60fps

>>739394205
Why wouldn't Gabe want to put it on all the storefronts to reach anyone that doesn't want Steam? Why not do it?

>>739394205
>no, console exclusivity specifically discourages competition
Bullshit, best eras of gaming were the locked down ones, where I was forced to buy another hardware if I wanted it. Created an identity and gave consoles and PCs legacies. When those walls were torn down, they became generic trash like everything Microsoft. Nintendo, Valve, and now Sony are reestablishing those walls. Nintendo is returning to their golden age, Valve is returning to game development, and Sony is finally preparing to drop the AAA shit to return to AA and game genre diversity. When you lose exclusivity, you lose your identity and legacy. No one even knows what an Xbox is anymore, not even Microsoft. To not want gaming at its finest is to not want gaming at all. Face facts, Valve, Sony, and Nintendo won in their own respective markets not competing with each other but creating their own ecosystem. Biggest loser is Microsoft who has no ecosystem.

>>739394425
because he already can? if you know about their games then you know about steam and can install it
i thought you wanted competition? this enables it and lets you maintain your gay vibes that you so desperately want
in a perfect world there would be no consoles, just hardware that defaults to specific storefronts without excluding others

>>739394337
Humans can't see past 60FPS, you don't need more frames than that. Also, 1080p and 1200p are perfect.

>>739394516
>Bullshit, best eras of gaming were the locked down ones,
correlation not causation, modern console hardware has absolutely nothing about it that justifies exclusivity

>>739394527
But why force people into your software? What if they turn bad?

>>739394613
>But why force people into your software? What if they turn bad?
why force people into your locked down hardware that literally cannot access other storefronts?

>>739391606
>roblox
1. There's already a Linux client for this.
2. Roblox is utter and complete neutered dogshit shell of itself, where moderators actviely ignore and refuse to deal with child predators.

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>>739394585
i'm sorry for your loss

>>739383862
Are you retarded?
more competition= higher quality
Fuck jeetsoft

>>739394589
Xbox doesn't which is why it's dead, Nintendo has Joy-Cons/Pro Controller, Sony has DualSense, Valve has Steam Controller.

>>739394671
Competition forces Valve to not go bad. If they started doing awful things people would just run to Xbox PC store, GOG and Epic.

>why force people into your locked down hardware that literally cannot access other storefronts?
That's just the hardware business.

>>739394675
You think most normans will be able to do that?

>>739394835
both sony and nintendo's controllers do absolutely fucking nothing remarkable compared to the multitudes of chink controllers

>>739394882
>Competition forces Valve to not go bad.
you're right, which is why consoles explicitly avoid competition and that's how sony and nintendo have the shittiest fucking refund terms around

>That's just the hardware business.
whatever cope you were trying to conjure here wasn't verbose enough
console hardware and storefronts are inseparable right now, you can absolutely fault one for the faults of the other
valve allows their hardware to install whatever the fuck the user wants
console corpos fear competition and need to make it harder and more expensive to leave

>>739383762
I thought people were overreacting by calling for them to be cancelled but I think its genuinely the best option now. every week the prices get worse and the hardware was shit to begin with.

>>739394993
They do things exclusive to their platforms without being a generic ass Xbox controller.

>DRM, fire hazard controller
those niggas at valve should be making a compatibility layer for apple

>>739395179
Then why did the Steam Deck sell 4 mill and the Switch do 150? Users must not care too much about having multiple storefronts.

>>739396058
fascinating, when a tendie is cornered he immediately shrinks back to his estrogenated world view where he parses everything through popularity

>>739396028
>DRM, fire hazard controller
wrong on both counts
>those niggas at valve should be making a compatibility layer for apple
apple is the only one that can unfuck their hardware and os being hostile to vidya

>>739396116
Why did the home consoles sell 127 this generation with only one storefront on each?

Steam Controller is the best controller ever made
Steam Frame will be the best VR too, day one buy

>>739396229
why are you so hellbent to talk about sales like a drone? can't deny how anticonsumer and anticompetitive consoles are?

>>739396330
I'm just wondering why consumers didn't care at all about the Steam Deck? Why can't Valve bring something to the table that should be able to just mop the floor with all these anti-consumer devices?

>>739396408
because consoles explicitly appeal to low iq morons too stupid for computers and those famously are too stupid to care about virtues like freedom and competition
it doesn't erase the fact that consoles are inherently against competition

>>739396564
The vast majority of people will never understand PC. It doesn't mean they're dumb. Most people also don't know a single thing about how cars work either.

They compete in their own right with one another. If someone can't afford one then the default platform is PC. Cars compete with each other even if all you can afford is a bicycle.

>>739396746
so you think the sins of consoles are forgiven just because they appeal to retards too stupid to understand their sins?

>>739396813
If you look at all the consoles, they seemingly work well for all the people who buy them. Are they perfect? No, no platform is. One thing we do know is that they have cultivated quite an audience.

It doesn't make people dumb to not want to work on their own car, does it?

>>739397194
>One thing we do know is that they have cultivated quite an audience.
an audience based on parasocial attachment, not reason
they offer nothing in the face of steam big picture mode

>It doesn't make people dumb to not want to work on their own car, does it?
retarded comparison that vastly overestimates the skill required for a pc
if anything it's like eating fast food constantly and refusing to learn how to do basic cooking, you're giving up a very useful skill out of sheer laziness

>>739397365
>an audience based on parasocial attachment, not reason
they offer nothing in the face of steam big picture mode
I guess appealing to that works pretty well? Not sure why you're trying to excuse it. People like the experience of consoles. Nothing to mess with nothing to worry about. Plug and play.

>if anything it's like eating fast food constantly and refusing to learn how to do basic cooking, you're giving up a very useful skill out of sheer laziness
It's like how people gave up horses for cars.

>>739397590
Part of your response wasn't greentexted for some reason.

>>739397590
>I guess appealing to that works pretty well?
why the fuck are you appealing to vices?
consoles prey on ignorance and laziness and the corporations making consoles abuse their users by locking everything down

>It's like how people gave up horses for cars.
knowing how to use computers is an excellent skill to have, what are you on about, it's not fucking horse riding

>>739397928
Buying a car instead of building one also preys on the same thing right?

Knowing how to use computers is for sure good. A lot of people just like the ease of use of playing games on a console.

>>739398016
>Buying a car instead of building one also preys on the same thing right?
no??
why are you so fucking disingenuous? why are you comparing learning pcs which can be achieved by just reading and asking questions and is free to a process that would take forever and takes millions in equipment?

>>739398203
It's relatively the same idea. Most people will not have the ability or time to learn about every product they buy.

>>739398280
>every product
this is about your primary choice of entertainment, not something as irrelevant as your choice of a fucking toothbrush
if you're on /v/ consoles are objectively indefensible and counterintuitive to the very interest in the topic

>>739398432
A lot of people like consoles though. Any time people talk about exclusives it came from a console. A lot of people even end up playing third party on them.

>>739398638
yes, thanks for summarizing that, consoles subsist on emotional attachment and feelings
they can't be defended on rational grounds which makes the fact that you're here arguing this shit bewildering

>>739398727
They sure can be defended on rational grounds. How did you take that they're just emotional from what I said?

>>739399391
>A lot of people like consoles
you can't name why they're rationally good
because they're not
consoles are fundamentally irrational, all the reasons to want them are based on emotions, be it ignorance and fear of computers, childhood attachment and falling for corporate manipulation

>>739399532
They do their job very well despite any of those excuses you came up with. I would like to see you argue with that.

Are bells and whistles irrational to put in cars. No, they enhance the experience objectively and sell to people who can afford it and like it. No irrationality there. People get emotionally attached to stuff because it works so well.

>>739399780
a dick in your ass does its job, it's fucking you
doesn't mean you should want it in your ass

consoles are objectively irrational and anti consumer and you can't deny it

>>739400196
How exactly is that a good comparison to consoles? No one forces console buyers to get one over a PC yet they do.

>>739400534
no one forces people to make shit decisions yet they still make them

>>739400610
It's not a bad decision to buy a console that you like playing games on. How hard is that to understand?

>>739384659
Nah fuck that

>>739400710
it is a bad decision to come here and defend them
if you want to be an irrational retard then be one, don't come here and defend consoles as if they had any rational basis, take your lashings without speaking up
plenty of retards out there drink coca cola despite it being an obvious fucking poison, popularity is not a valid defense of anything

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>>739383762
They do still have funds for aggressive valve marketing shills here and on reddit, so why aren't they manufacturing the cube and more steam decks?

>>739383762
Pico Swan will destroy this trash, the difference in specs isn't even funny

>>739400896
So you're saying that people that want a different experience than you are dumb?

>>739401007
same faggot who was crying in this thread
>>739398621
because everyone said the steam controller was best lmao

>>739393614
>literally just stringing random phrases together at this point

>>739401081
no, if they choose consoles they're apathetic, ignorant and lazy unless they prove themselves dumb
if they go on a tirade pretending like consoles have any worthwhile virtues despite being an embodiment of vices then they're dumb

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>>739401219
Valve marketing bot I am not buying your $100+ atari jaguar controller.

Can they just announce this thing's release date so they can show off Half-Life 3 already. Holy shit.

>>739401797
It's never coming out unc, the half-life series were just glorified technical demos.

>>739401746
you shills don't even own ANY controller lmao

i have the odd occasion where i wont be able to access my pc for a week or two, maybe once a year. i have enough money to get either a frame or a deck or both. im leaning towards the frame since it has a standalone feature which could cover me for the odd week and then when i have access to my pc again it still has a use. but im struggling to find any actual information on how powerful the standalone would be.

>>739401935
Half-Life Alyx ends with the same "Awaiting Assignment" Text that HL1 ended with. They're clearly making HL3, even if it's not directly called Half-Life 3.

>>739390709
Why tho?
The foveated streaming that they use makes wires completely useless, with the exception of pro-level BeatSaber or smth

>>739391303
It's their latest attempt to prop VR up. They invested millions into it, might as well.

>>739401797
I suspect HL3 or whatever their next HL game is will be playable using all three hardware. Though it doesn't seem like they're planning for a release this year.

lmao anti-steam shill thread failed again

>>739406292
It always will, no one likes Xbox or Windows.

>>739401281
No you're just underage and have never plugged in a dinput controller

>>739408157
>directinput
that runs through extra stuff to work with xinput, retard :)
steam controllers use direct input in "lizard mode" dumbass.

>>739404516
Not him but I want to be able to plug it into a display when I don't want to wear it

>>739408226
>literally just stringing random phrases together at this point

>>739409848
>"n-n-n-nno u..."
didn't bother looking into it, huh, dumbass?

>>739409985
>>739408157

>>739410293
child I am older than directinput by a fair bit

>>739391303
>isn't VR dead?

no its just industry interest in software is almost dead while industry interest in hardware is always high. There's no rationality to any of it but that's how it is.

>>739392041
The target for both of them is the first half of 2026 so they have to say something or release something before june is over

>>739404516
Can't you just run beatsaber standalone to eliminate latency? I don't know what smth is

>>739408896
Huh? Like a mirror view? You just turn that on at the PC you are running VR from. It has nothing to do with cables or wireless to the headset.

Do you mean a display port out for the headset? What would be the point of that? We're also talking about the most comfortable headset ever made here allegedly

>>739402753
>Every single HL ends with a cliffhanger.
>No HL3
>HLA ends with a cliffhanger
>This time it means HL3
lmao

>>739410894
I plug my deck into my monitor sometimes so I don't see why I wouldn't want to do the same with a similar computer

>>739402753
Yup, I think they made changes to the ending so Half-Life wouldn't end with a third game.

>>739411226
kind of apples and oranges comparison there. A deck screen is small. Frame screen is big as you like. A virtual screen on frame isn't sharp by any means, you have to make it large to get 1080p clarity, but reading isn't a problem. Maybe you want beyond 1080p clarity? I'm not sure what you're doing after plugging up but a frame is weaker than a deck so it wouldn't be 1440p or 4k gaming unless the games are really old.

>>739393614
There was already an assumption about where buttons are so they can be automapped under DirectInput, you wanna know what the 360 did under DirectInput? It scrambled the locations of all those buttons.
The 360 controller was deliberately made to push more unique controllers over to sim games by forcing Xinput use.

>>739384575
>Not to mention the fire hazard puck
that guy had it on a chinesium wall wart and the watch was charging, real people have no issue with it
https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2057928159861919995

>>739392041
confidentiality agreement for the frame controllers ends on june 22nd
methinks announcement on monday, release on june 1st though it could be the machine first but I hope not

>>739414020
>There was already an assumption about where buttons are so they can be automapped under DirectInput

I never plugged in a direct input controller and it get automapped before steam input unless the software directly supported the specific controller. Steam input is useful exactly because it emulates an xinput controller for you. Button 1, 2, 3, and 4 were probably face buttons but they were different across controllers so no software couldn't assume anything. Direct input's best feature is shitloads of buttons and your controller can be as weird as it wants, ergo the trade off is you'll have to set up the controls for normal gamepads.

And I don't care about any of this shit you typed because I'm not trying to compare both input standards over all of PC gaming. That's why I typed for standard controllers. I'm talking about the context of a steam controller which is a normal controller with 2 touchpads ergo it could present itself as an xinput controller and a mouse so it's more useful without steam. It's $100. Cheaper controllers do both xinput and dinput.

>>739414375
>confidentiality agreement for the frame controllers ends on june 22nd

Wait so why just the controllers and how do we know this date? Does the NDA/embargo end sooner if valve announces preorders?

>>739383762
I've got 2 controllers so far, gonna get at least 1 GabeCube and aiming at 1 frame too.
I have 4 kids and a wife, we're gonna have so much fun.

>>739401063
Frame definitely will feel outdated compared to it in a myriad of ways
controllers might be an improvement perhaps but since its not the lowest common denominator developers won't care about them
being full Linux rather than Android can be neat but that just means you'll be relying on translation layers to sideload APKs anyway for things to use on it

>>739415472
>I have 4 kids
what kind of salary allows this these days?

>>739415528
welfare

>>739415594
holy based

>>739415424
FCC short-term confidential agreement for user manuals and test photos
>The Steam Machine expires on 6/29/2026
>The Frame Left Controller on 6/17/2026
>The Frame Right Controller on 6/18/2026
>For some reference for a device that's already been released; the Steam Controller expires on 5/20/2026. So it was released about 16 days before expire date.
I don't know where I got 22nd from then, lmao
There's still some debate with the Frame itself not being FCC certified yet, but Index was certified a day before preorders started

>Does the NDA/embargo end sooner if valve announces preorders?
If it's the same as the controller, we'll get a week (maybe two) of heads up, all reviews release as the NDA ends, then after that week or two preorders start

>>739415362
The problem is that Xinput is an incomplete standard for "standard controllers".
It only has an many buttons and axes as a 360 controller, which isn't enough for a post-2000s controller that generally needs to handle 3D games.
The Steam controller not only has trackpads, it also has 4 additional buttons and a gyro that will need some kind of utility to work.
Xinput is incomplete and dinput only has occasional support.
>So it's more useful without Steam
It already has support outside of Steam.

>>739415528
We aren't affluent by any means. I work night shift which is a higher rate of pay and I get weekends off, so I get time with the kids. It's not a lavish life, but it's a good one.
>>739415594
I wish. We get some tax credits due to the kids and my wife now having some major health issues, but nah, I work and I'm happy to do so.

>>739383862
I wish Valve would just stick to making games.

>>739401063
I'm reading the pico swan is targeting 270 grams and its an all in one headset with nothing external, how? BSB is 107 and the baseline of how light you can make a headset, so 163 grams for compute, cooling, cameras and sensors, audio speakers, and a battery. There's got to be nothing left for battery. Also I think this will be a nice headset but the FOV has to be gimped at this weight as all microoled headsets are now. I also don't buy the headset will hit this year and we haven't seen anything but teasers yet.

>>739415823
You can just cover the extra buttons and gyro with how it works now, dinput or keyboard or mouse or whatever. But if the buttons are in the 360 compliment its only helpful to use xinput for those or provide the option. I wonder if custom firmware could do it.

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>>739415907
>I'm reading the pico swan is targeting 270 grams and its an all in one headset with nothing external, how?
do the math and realize that there is probably an error in assuming there is nothing external
>but the FOV has to be gimped
should be on par with other uOLED HMDs; they're all about the same

picrel is chinese reference design that several companies are using
Pico claims they're using their own custom made chip, displays, and such though so may not be exactly the same as these

>>739391205
>Microsoft has quite a grip on PC games and the compatibility.
Weird how all my games work on Linux then.
>Hard to beat their controller as well.
Their controller is by far the worst option on the market. Even the cheapest chinkshit demolishes it because at least it's cheap.

>>739415907
pico basically EOL their headset in max a year
pico 4 ultra is abandoned

>>739416058
>pico 4 ultra is abandoned
it works fine, as does the older 4 pro
they're not like Meta where they continously enshittify their HMDs via software updates to the point where they become practically unusable

>>739387569
That was me. It's great.
>uncalled for btw
I wouldn't say it was completely undeserved.

>>739416085
I'm not saying it doesn't work (that's more of a pimax thing), I'm saying giving up on updating a headset after a year is mental
None of the new software of feature they'll develop for the swan will make it to the 4 ultra despite ample capabilities

>>739416157
i wouldn't say they "give up" on the HMDs
they just don't really need any further OS updates unless they need to fix something with new wifi routers or whatnot
they work with modern WiFi 7 equipment so I don't think there's much need to fuck with the OS
their store isn't something I ever use so can't comment on that, its just a pcvr streaming device in my mind for the 4 Pro/Ultra models
Pico OS 6 is a complete rewrite and relies heavily on their new chip alongside eyetracking so the Pro and Ultra are just not going to be able to get that really backported
its still Android, though so its not like the major functionality is going to be much different

>>739391606
That will come with time as Linux marketshare increases. We're at 5% right now and exponentially growing. Even 10% is enough that shareholders will start seriously questioning why they're ignoring such a large part of the market and at this rate we might hit that next year.

>>739416058
>last update: 2025-8-13
lel

>>739416292
at least they aren't basically bricking HMDs like Meta :)

>>739416039
Yeah those lenses are tiny, this is a media headset. Unless lenses are flat vs concave then size is a direct indication of max FOV. Is that smaller than vision pro? Is this a 80 degree headset? Hope pico goes bigger.

>>739416027
The problem with adding the custom buttons and gyro is that without Steam it would be some special snowflake implementation that would ultimately still fail if the game was not set up to use them properly, such as the game switching off keyboard inputs if it detects a controller or similar issues.
The Steam Controller just using SDL3 means that it can be much more consistent overall rather than being forced to fragment itself and needing to pretend to be a mouse, keyboard and xinput device.

>>739416341
those are concave for uOLED panels
basically the standard for those style HMDs these days to get the most fov out of a small size
Vision Pro FOV is smaller than most of the other uOLED HMDs on the market purely because they have it sit super far from the face by design
you can wear it close without the gasket but then it just feels awful to wear lmao
Apple Vision Pro FOV is probably one of the smallest out there when used by design; maybe only worse than Quest Pro? might be a tough battle between those two honestly

>>739416058
>>739416085
Updates matter because if something like handtracking doesn't work flawlessly in this short life cycle it will never work. But if the headset does work and it's just a steamVR or virtual desktop machine then who cares

>>739393840
>Exclusives keep competition healthy so none of them get lazy.
They do the exact opposite you retard. Why compete by offering a better product when you can lock the neweat goyslop to your brand goybox so normies are forced to buy it to play it. In an ideal world exclusives would be outlawed unless there's an actual hardware reason for it (custom architecture, VR, etc) that would make porting it elsewhere unreasonably expensive. This would force them to offer stronger consoles with more features for cheaper and the customers would benefit.

>>739392056
Mate, Microsoft is on fucking life support when it comes to their gaming division. Almost to a point of non-relevence and we might see a reversal because Sony is apparently intent on imploding.

What's the point of a controller if it's not plug and play?

>>739416390
the handtracking works fine
sure they could probably improve it but it works well enough for what it is used for
its not like the constant Meta HMD updates are making improvements these days
they usually only make things drastically worse to the point where trying to just get to your PCVR streaming client is almost impossible for some people

>>739394835
>Nintendo has Joy-Cons/Pro Controller, Sony has DualSense, Valve has Steam Controller.
There's no reason those controllers (and thus games that rely on them) couldn't work on any machine.

>>739416348
>such as the game switching off keyboard inputs if it detects a controller or similar issues.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. That shit made me so mad and ruined everything I tried to use the OG steam controller. Couldn't have analog movement with mouse aiming in any fucking game. I'm still fucking mad.

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Will Daisy ever return?

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No VR thread up so I'll shill it here. Upcoming strongbad VR content.

https://xcancel.com/StrongBadActual/status/2057869517351420321#m

>>739416464
They can't because Microsoft's sorry asses refuse to upgrade their sorry excuse of a controller, so now they must be locked out of Nintendo, PlayStation, and Steam.