>Bungie did not plan to end Destiny 2>Sony saw their financial reports>then Sony demanded they shitcan Destiny and move all devs to MarathonI apologize, Sony-sama, I was not familiar with your game.
>>739384004they paid 3.6 billion for a studio with 2 dead games and no income lol
>>739384628The GTA 6 normalgroids will cover for it, no? Perhaps instead of 3 times, they can sell the same game to them 4 times, this once.
>>739384004>>739384628What was sony's gameplan here?
>>739384782>bought bungo for their live service game expertise>plan like 16 of them>cancel most of them because reasons
>>739384782CRASHING THIS PLANE
>>739384004Sony saw the financial reports, and in response shitcanned the cash cow in favor of the game that makes no money?Snoyfags make it make sense please
>>739384978>the cash cowDestiny 2 is a plagued raped corpse bleeding pus from its asshole
>>739384628they overpaid no matter what but they also couldn't have expected destiny 2 to release an update that killed the player base right after acquisition, and then for Bungie to be sued for stealing the destiny 2 campaign and losing, and then having to settle again for stealing artwork for marathon.
>>739385080and yet it still had 200k concurrent players, more than any of Snoys other live service games combined, and still made money
>>739384782got to lay off staff so the execs don't miss the performance targets which will stop them from getting their bonuses
>>739385210>more than any of Snoys other live service games combinednot more than helldivers 2, but don't worry, AH is trying their hardest to kill it
Tojo saw picrel and knew what needed to be done
>>739384782live service games
>>739384004>Sony>game
>>739384004>Let's kill our successful game to invest in the failed oneAmazing strategy from the company that gave us Concord
>>739384763have to actually release the game to make money
>>739385157>update that killed the player baseqrd?
>>739385806Well Rockstar just confirmed November 19th, 2026 like 5 minutes ago so that's something.https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/ak3ak31a49a221/grand-theft-auto-vi-is-now-set-to-launch-november-19-2026
I bought a box of "100 random Xbox/360/One Games with cases" because I thought itd be fun but aside from steelbooks of Guardians of the Galaxy and Forza Horizon 4 its all shit and I have 10 copies of Destiny 1.Does Destiny 1 have like a single player game I can do?
>>739384004You can call more flies to a turd, it will not change the fact that it's a turd.
>>739384628>>739384782>Sony got finessed harder than anyone else in the history of gaming>Pete Parsons sold them a lemon and now drives around in luxury cars for the rest of his lifeCan't hate him.
>>739384004They 100% were relying on Marathon to be a cash cow to fund more destiny and put all their eggs in one blasthaving basket.
>>739386183Same shit with Activision. Even Call of Duty is crashing. Bobby has the last laugh.
Bungie will do ANYTHING but make a single player/coop shooter like the ones that made them famous. They deserve to be gutted
>>739386183>>Sony got finessedEh, not much finesse was needed; Parsons definitely put lipstick on the pig, but Jim Ryan was an easy sell becaue of he was desperate to jump start his live service dream.
>>739384782same as it has since change of leadership: become a AAA lolcow company whose only joke is continuously chasing GaaS money and failing to attain it.
>>739386183>Can't hate him.Same.
>Bungie did not plan to end Destiny 2>Sony saw their financial reports>then Sony demanded they shitcan the game with a bigger playerbasedoesn't sound like a smart move
For fucks sake are people really poking at Bungie's corpse and saying "hey do a Halo again! like in the ole days!"I'm already so fucking tired of my generation's embarrassing nostalgia for the ps360 era that's been extruded through the delusional lense that if businesses simply made exactly what a given poster wants to see then they'd make all the money. You fuckers know that you won't magically turn 20 years younger if Bungie makes a Killzone game?Look I...I'm sorry it's just insanely hard to not crash out over this shit. Did you guys actually play Killzone? What about Bungie's gunplay remotely matches the mechanical identity of Killzone?I like Destiny. People like Destiny. Why in the fuck do you think people are sad about Destiny ending if they didn't fucking love Destiny!I like Gambit. I like me an easy breazy 6 player seasonal activity. I love a 3 person seasonal activity with a hard varient. I love most of the exotic missions! I love playing the campaigns on Legendary difficulty.They've been making quality single player campaigns near yearly with a well balanced hard mode for FOUR YEARS. You didn't care then! Why would you care now if they did it with a brand you remember vaguely!I. Like. Loot!Bungie is one of the few developers that makes games with loot I care about! Destiny's perk system is such a well conceptualized way of doing loot in a first person shooter. I like all the characters! When the seasonal model was hitting and you'd do some Nightmare Containment or some Astral Alignment to get a fun character beat voiced by fucking Lance Reddick it was great!I'm weirdly excited to go back and play Edge of Fate for the first time because appearantly that has Ikora backstory! Fucking hell I could even go for a pvp Iron Banner match from time to time! There's so much cool shit in Destiny that it crushes me to dust that everyone's response is to return to some imagined golden past that would magically defeat capitalism with sheer gamer nostalgia.
>>739386509smells like reddit copy pasta
>>739386509redditGOD has a point
>>739385157This is mostly true except that Bungie lost the plagiarism suit, it was dismissed with prejudice because the "author" was full of shit.
>>739384004Do Sony execs hate money? Why the fuck would they choose a gigaflop of an extraction shooter over the reason they bought Bungie in the first place? Destiny 2 was doing better numbers than Marathon yesterday still.Marathon will never make even a fraction of the money spend to develop it, let alone the billions Sony paid for Bungie.
>>739384782Bungie leadership pitched themselves as the next Blizzard. They had Destiny at the peak of its popularity and a bunch of promising projects in development. Sony was expecting to just let Bungie handle it themselves, they had free reign as long as they hit their profit margins. They must not have been expecting leadership to ruthlessly dismantle the company to retain control after Lightfall underperformed.
>>739386183You know what, I hate him but selling Bungie at 3.6 billion without super big repercussions was smart of him. Sony can’t blame any other guy but themselves for being fooled, they can’t sue him because with all the red flags they agreed to buy Bungie and Parsons got the big bag of cash.
>>739385210>yet it still had 200k concurrent playersNot since the last two years lmfao
>>739384004>buy western game dev >everything they touch turns to shit>they become a drain on your operation>have to fire them all and salvage something to save facethis might as well be a law of reality, why don't they learn?
I can't believe anybody is stupid enough to be surprised by this. Those steamdb stats were atrocious. Did they think Gran Turismo DLC could fund unlimited tranny games?
>>739384782>set goals>they fail to meet goals>absorb what you want get rid of the rest This was how EA work until they won the golden poo award
>>739384004>almost all of bungie did not knowImagine seeing someone state the obvious and creating your own head cannon as to what happened.Of course a major decision like this would only be known by upper management and to majority of staff wouldn't know. This is a major business affecting announcement that can't have any risk of leaks, everything would be handled as business as usual until it's time to be announces.
>>739386758Sony execs, like 98% of execs, only see the finish line and not the path to get there. They like money. Love it. Are blinded by it, quite literally.
>>739384004>>then Sony demanded they shitcan Destiny and move all devs to Marathon>Sony is intentionally killing Bungle for fucking up their SaaS initiative.LMAO. Hot Shit Hermen should fall on his sword since he's the one that didn't do due-diligence on the frat-bro company.
>don't worry. Destiny is guaranteed success so no matter what it'll pay itself b-ACK
>>739386319Being fair: Bobby isn't the reason CoD is dying. It's entirely on MicroSlop for not understanding the golden goose.
rebecca "happy birthday, nigger" ford outlives another
>>739384782they bought bungie for a premium specifically for "consultation" in live-service games because obviously most of their first party studios were making live service slop (santa monica, naughty dog, guerilla, even bend studio) why? because all shareholders in AAA gaming want the next fortnite, they don't care what it looks like, it just needs to make gorillions of Shekeldollars in the shortest amount of time possiblehowever it turned that the so called "experts" in live services are a bunch of frauds and the whole thing died, the end, so we are back at no pc ports and single player games (they will be released mid-10th gen consoles btw)
>>739386509Why do you keep bringing up Killzone and not Halo?
Guardiansisters... we made too many Marathon steam charts threads... it catapulted the game as having huge activity on the internet... now our game got cancelled...
>>739386050I mean, you can play it single-player... but it's designed around multiplayer and it's ALWAYS ONLINE (not just DRM'd). AFAIK, the servers haven't been pulled so you can play it but I'm not sure how many players it has versus Destiny 2.
>>739384782Crashing this company WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>739389352>we are back at no pc ports and single player games (they will be released mid-10th gen consoles btw)Gaming is healing…
>>739389428You love to see it
>>739389352>the end, so we are back at no pc ports and single player gamesWrong. Sony's not gonna stop chasing live service ever. Fortnite for companies is like crack cocaine, once you start you can't stop.
Bungie ripped off Sony lol
>>739390319>3.7 billion +tip for a studio full of fat diversity hire LaFondas to sit on their hands doing literally nothing all day and collecting paychecks >fast forward to today and nothing to show for it but worthless GAAS “advising” and a shit extraction shooter they cranked out in a panic when Sony noticed they were doing fuck allRipped off doesn’t even begin to describe it
>>739390021>Wrong. Sony's not gonna stop chasing live service ever. I meant that for most first party studios, they already have helldivers, marathon and whatever upcoming live service slop was cooking before that.Santa Monica is working on something, likely GoW spinoffs/franchise and remakes, live service cancelledNaughty Dog working on intergalactic, TLOU3 of course, they will never skip that, live service cancelledInsomniac has woleverine releasing soon, then venom, spider man, ratchet and clank (we got their entire planend release schedule after a hack, they were never working on live service games)Guerilla likely keeps working on horizon, while gaterhing multiplayer slop just entered closed betaHeaven Studio: fairslop (concord 3) that will likely be renamed in "Break-In" soon (maybe at the State of Play in June), DOAHousemarque: just dropped saros, it's not doing too hot but it's also kind a more niche oriented title so I guess they support it post-launch for nowBend studio: previously working on live-service slop, uncomfirmed whether it was cancelled or was it some other project, the only thing we got from them since 2019 is a Days Gone remasterthe rest:Polyphony: keep GT alive, it's a live-service gameSucker Punch: maybe a remake of old IP (could be done by Nixxes that don't have to do pc ports anymore)Team Asobi: likely a lunch title for playstation 6
>>739384004Ban Paul Tassi threads
>>739384004>Move all devs from the dying project to the DOA projectSnoy must really be enjoying their big purchase.
>>739384763Not when they realize they have to pay 1000 dollars for a PS5.
>>739384782They are hoping that marathon because the next arc raiders (it won't) and makes a miracle come back (it won't)
>>739388190as of the announcement 170k players were playing lol
>>739391025it's called "progress"
>>739384782They thought they were buying halo.No I'm not joking. Jim Ryan thought bungie still made Halo
>>739384004why did they shut down the one small income stream they had left? idgi
>>739384763Even Sony said in their financial report they don't anticipate a huge influx of hardware sales for GTA6. I'm sure there will be some though
>>739390920None of that is fixing the problems Sony has. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ex-playstation-boss-reveals-the-jump-from-ps4-to-ps5-doubled-the-price-of-development-for-very-little-improvement-causing-aaa-studios-to-pull-back.1686125/>Yoshida explained that the jump from the PS4 to PS5 AAA games has caused budgets to almost "double", despite the lack of an obvious technical jump for most games.>"I saw some analysis or estimate of one same franchise released during PS4 era and PS5 era generation double the budget," Yoshida told the podcast. "And that has reached the point that we cannot recoup this investment."Sony going back to exclusives doesn't fix the budget problem. PS6 games will be even worse because they will cost more.
>>739386509>Destiny's perk system is such a well conceptualized way of doing loot in a first person shooterWhat's it like having no standards? Literally NPC shit right here
>>739384763>The GTA 6 normalgroids will cover for it, no?A female protagonist already turned off a lot of GTAs core demographic(dude bros) the price for a PS5 will take care of the rest(browns)
>>739391262Sony is insane
>>739384628>>739391132Even if Halo had been included it still would have been a bad deal for 3.6 billion,but not nearly as awful of one.
>>739391262TOTAL SONY DEATHGETERASEDGETERASEDGETERASED
>>739391346>Sony going back to exclusives doesn't fix the budget problem.uh sure, kinda, I mean it's an AAA-wide industry problem right nowhowever you need to acknowledge the fact that the reason why games cost so much is mostly due to wages, as a matter of fact a game budget is split 1:1 on marketing and evelopment cost, and of the remaining half like 60-80% is literally just wages across 6-8 years of development, it's recognized universally as the biggest factor because you have teams of hundreds if not thousands of people working on a gameAI tools and firing useless workers will keep the budget under control
>>739384004I feel crazy reading this news. Destiny 2 has been a walking corpse for years, why are people surprised? I have no idea what the fuck was going wrong at Bungee but it was really clear they didn't know what to do with Destiny anymore.
>>739391751Because everyone expected D2 to only shut down after D3 released. The thing is that, D3 isn't even in development at all and they're shutting D2 down for fucking Marathon lol. That's why people are bewildered.
>>739391626Majority of Sonys first party studios are in insanely expensive places apart from Polyphony and ASOBI so good luck with that lmao.
>>739384782My only guess here is that their suits are fucking retarded and have never touched a video game before.They probably think they can run these companies entirely based on KPIs.
>>739391626>I mean it's an AAA-wide industry problem right nowYes and no.Is it expensive for third parties and Microsoft? Yes but they can be on everything now. >however you need to acknowledge the fact that the reason why games cost so much is mostly due to wages, as a matter of fact a game budget is split 1:1 on marketing and evelopment cost, and of the remaining half like 60-80% is literally just wages across 6-8 years of development, it's recognized universally as the biggest factor because you have teams of hundreds if not thousands of people working on a gameIs it becoming more expensive for Nintendo? Obviously but they got tons of system sellers which Sony doesn't have. On top of that NS2 is already out and successful so in the meantime it can keep picking up third party games.Sony with PS6 is in deep trouble because they gotta hold back their PS6 games for the PS5. It's way too expensive to make them real PS6 exclusives.
>Their spinoff game is also dyingThis IP is cooked.
>>739384782>What was sony's gameplan here?>OMAGEHRD LIVE SERVICE GAMES AHHHHHHHH>WE SHOULD BUY THAT GAME DEV THAT HAS A LONG RUNNING LIVE SERVICE GAME>Alright we bought it massively over it's value!>Now they can tell our other studios how to run live service games>Wait they suck at running their own live service games>Wait these things are extremely expensive and none of our live service slop is becoming popular>Surely Concord will save us!>oh.
>>739391626>AI tools and firing useless workers will keep the budget under controlAlternatively develop a game for 3 or 4 years instead of 8. All of the most iconic and influential games never took more than 5 years to make
>most live service games are a failure except for a handful of exceptions>surely if we flood the market with live service games we will eventually get a hit!lol lmao even
>Sony bought this instead of Square Enix at the time
>>739384004Seriously though if you want to know how unserious and blitheringly stupid snoy executives are go out and find the leaked sony pictures emails between their executives. They're some of the stupidest, most arrogant, myopic retards. You can expect the hiring standards for company executives in the gaming branch are not even the slightest bit better.
>>739392420Square Enix was never ever going to make them their money back
>>739384782Bungie had multiple games in development,Destiny 2 had good numbers and Sony wanted live service studio as guides for their push on that front. Couple of years later Destiny 2 numbers fell off insanely,they cancelled majority of projects they worked on apart from shit called GummyBears that got moved to some other team and Marathon that underperformed and they got striked by multiple lawsuits lol. Bungie straight up internally started to collapse just after Sony acquired them.
>>739392165Yeah this too, never understood why, it's not like Zoom or Teams are some alient technologies or collaborative tools don't exist to avoid a situation when you have to pull a bunch of people into the most expensive rent places on earth.>>739392256It's not yes and no, it's literally only yes.>Is it becoming more expensive for Nintendo? Nintendo is kinda in a different situation because as usual they are at least one generation behind hardware wise, and with the drop of 10th generation consoles once again the gap will be wider.The scale is just different, they don't have to render the skin pores on some ultra-realistic model is all I'm saying.>Obviously but they got tons of system sellers which Sony doesn't have.so now that sony won't release games on pc they are also getting their own system sellersAlso not sure if microsoft is a good counter-point because it literally killed itself and not even gamepass saved it, they are pulling out of console gaming, their next device is not a traditional console, so sony is literally the only company making home consoles next generation (aside from nintendo but that's a hybrid/portable device, not an actual home console designed for AAA gaming).>Sony with PS6 is in deep troubletwo more weeks anon and this time sony is surely going to collapse, you just wait and seealso due to the whole memory/whatever situation it is to be expected that ps5 will be the console with longest period of support seen so far, they likely won't hit the same install base (depends on price and if the situation will sort itself out by the time ps6 hits the stores) but yeah, most people will stick to their ps5 for a long time and if the 4k meme was the ps5 selling point there's nothing like it for ps6 aside from games maybe>>739392351erm anon you are asking middle managers and CEOs/shareholders to make rational decisions that don't involve chasing short-term goals and milestones, are you out of your mind?
>fire all the dead weight>full steam ahead for Destiny 3 right after the layoffTRUST THE PLAN
I honestly have no idea what SIE's plan is anymoreThe absolute State of Play coming up in june is certainly going to be interesting to say the least
>>739392547The rot had already set in well before Sony bought them. They simply got to fund the collapse. Remember - the devs were leaking shit about reduced knitting classes AFTER Sony bought them and tried to put their foot down.
>>739392420Square Enix wasn't selling and even if they were, Sony would have to make some love with some private equity or asset firm to borrow money from to afford them like how they suckered up to Apollo in an attempt to buy Paramount.
>>739384782To have an excuse to gut their western branch into support.
So sony basically told them to dig themselves out of the hole called Marathon or die?
>>739392727>reduced knitting classeswhat
>>739392791Sony is in the hole with them lol
>>739392651>they are also getting their own system sellersNo they don't. They gave their games away for free for generations. They don't. Name even 1. I can guarantee you it was availble in free bundles and people bought up cheap Playstation bundles. If Playstation had to release a console like NS1 was and release ONE game and make the console sell based on that alone they'd be fucking dead. Nintendo picking up third party support in the meantime isn't gonna do PS6 any favors>also due to the whole memory/whatever situation it is to be expected that ps5 will be the console with longest period of support seen so far, they likely won't hit the same install base"longest period of support" because PS6 won't sell. Like it's not a good thing for Sony. PS6 will be $800-1000. It's more expensive than PS3 ever was.
>>739392830https://www.ign.com/articles/bungie-devs-say-atmosphere-is-soul-crushing-amid-layoffs-cuts-and-fear-of-total-sony-takeover"But the cost-cutting at Bungie isn’t limited to just personnel. Multiple current employees confirmed to IGN that the company has implemented numerous other cost-cutting measures recently, including a studio-wide hiring freeze, reduced travel budgets, elimination of holiday bonuses, keeping its annual Bungie Day virtual, delaying its weeklong company “Pentathalon” event to next December, and reducing numerous morale events such as cooking and knitting classes from monthly to quarterly."They leaked this to IGN and expected the internet to take their side at them losing their rights.
>>739392684>is certainly going to be interesting to say the leastUnless they will pull off some interesting exclusive third party deals out of ass then its going to be same shit as always - maasive budget third person cinematic experiences and thats it lol. Sony fucked themselves in the ass by allowing their studios to be mindbroken by The Last of Us so much since thats what average modern Playstation fan expects from their first party lineup. I still remember watching State of Play last year where Marvel Tokon got announced and how entire chat went "this looks like ps3 game wheres Wolverine" kek.
>>739392917>No they don'tuh yes they do, their first party studios are working on single player games (that I outlined), literally read the reply-thread backwards, and that shit is not going to pcobviously third party is a huge part of their income due to the store 30% cut, they are not mutually exclusive>PS6 will be $800-1000.source: your ass or somethingthe estimated cost according to leaks is much lower than that>It's more expensive than PS3 ever was.$600 in todays money is around $950-1k btw
Bungee had lightning in a bottle with D2 and had no fucking idea how to expand on it. It felt like every expansion or major update was them testing the waters and trying to see if they could poke things in a positive way. As an autist I always wished they would lean into the RPG part more and give me more world and lore to explore but I truly don't know what they should've done.
>>739393165>source: your ass or something>the estimated cost according to leaks is much lower than thatPS5 Pro costs 900$ right now. You think Sony will do some black magic to reduce costs of brand new hardware thats going to be a lot stronger?
>>739385606what the fuck is that??? is this actually in destiny?
>>739384628Japs BTFO again by superior gaijan business ethics.
>>739393171They should have stayed with Activision and kept on releasing expansions like Taken King and Foresaken
>>739385080And yet it still outperforms Marathon by a wide margin, and even on PC where Marathon has 70% of its players.
>>739386183if this is the motherfucker that convinced Sony that Concord was a great idea...we need more of him at these retarded companies so they can be shut down faster lol
>>739385157crashing the western game industry
>>739393284Lightfall is what happens when you let purple hair retards have any creative control over Destiny, they nearly ruined the entire lore with that expansion and it's seasons too, it reeked of postmodernism from the art style to the lore changesFinal Shape corrected it but the damage was done
>>739385954>posted in November last yearFuck you for getting me to check that link.
>>739393165>obviously third party is a huge part of their income due to the store 30% cut, they are not mutually exclusiveOops 30% cut disappears to Nintendo but somehow it's gonna be magically okay for Sony>their first party studios are working on single player games (that I outlined)Not system sellers, dude. Look at your shitty list. Do you honestly think even one of them is a $1000 seller? >the estimated cost according to leaks is much lower than thatYou mean the retard MLID? The guy that said PS6 was cost LOWER than NS2? lol.
>>739392420I wouldn't buy modern Squeenix either. 25 years ago was the time for that.
>>739393365Yeah I had no idea what the fuck was going on with Lightfall. Like on one hand "the hero has to wield the power of darkness and actually power isn't evil it depends who wields it..." is one of the oldest tropes in existence but it felt like they couldn't make up their mind whether or not it was actually evil or not. Also it spent way too much time focusing on the fallen.
>>739393276your point? the pro models are not meant for wide adoption, the base models are subsidized like they always were in console businesssony is making a traditional console and traditional consoles (base models) are sold at a loss (meanwhile the pro was not sold at a loss from the start, and xbox will also do the same)>>739393387>Oops 30% cut disappears to Nintendo what?anon nintendo gets their 30% cut from in-store sales, steam gets their cut, xbox has their cut, sony gets their cut, it's literally how it works>Not system sellers, dudevery interesting well articulated opinion, whatever>Do you honestly think even one of them is a $1000 seller?enough of a system seller to make people purchase a ps5 at an almost the same rate as ps4 so yeah most of them are>You mean the retard MLID? as opposed to a literal nobody online with no sources? yeah anon I would take my shot >The guy that said PS6 was cost LOWER than NS2?maybe the portable console, that's irrelevant anyway
>>739393589In the lore, the Darkness was up until that point an actual ontological evil called the Winnower, meaning there was an objective moral framework in Destiny, postmodernist leftoids from Seattle couldn't let that be.Lightfall tried to do the same tired moral relativist shit every other piece of media is doing not.
>>739393365>Final Shape corrected it"Corrected" nothing, Lightfall was written and developed after it as filler. It was literally stupid shit made at the last minute to kill time.
>>739393760Yeah I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop and explain why we could use darkness or the hive could use light in a way that made sense. I just figured I was too dumb to get it or that I hadn't spent 9999 hours reading the right weapon descriptions or whatever to see why it worked. Maybe it just didn't.
>>7393847821. Xbox bought CoD(still promised with contract it practically threw at Sony to remain on Playstation)2. Uhhhh WE NEED OUR OWN CALL OF DUTY!!!3. Overpay billions on the washed out hask of the maker of Halo™ to get super secret gaas knowledge4. ??5. Size down and later close the studio6. Profit!
>>739393026>and reducing numerous morale events such as cooking and knitting classes from monthly to quarterlyI'd fucking lose it if my company tried to force me into doing daycare events like that, kekI tolerate the Christmas party once a year, but imagine having shit like that every single month.
>>739393365>postmodernismThat's not what postmodernism means.
>>739386509>I'm already so fucking tired of my generation's embarrassing nostalgia for the ps360 era
>>739394130moral relativism is a facet of postmodernism, and they tried to force it onto Destiny which up to that point was a very clear cut dualistic mythological story of objective good and evil
>>739392684For the first time ever they are going first instead of xbox.This means they know they got negative interesting things to show and hope to flood impressions in the dead time while everyone waits for the actual real E3 shows to start.
>>739393719>anon nintendo gets their 30% cut from in-store salesIf someone wanted the third party games they had to buy something else. Not gonna be a thing with Switch 2>enough of a system seller to make people purchase a ps5 at an almost the same rate as ps4 so yeah most of them areNot once was PS5 $1000 nor did you answer my question. To make this easier let's say Intergalactic is day 1 PS6 exclusive, no PS5 version. You think it's a $1000 seller?
A game so bad not even Sony wants it..?
>>739394479>If someone wanted the third party games they had to buy something else. Not gonna be a thing with Switch 2what?>Not once was PS5 $1000and who said otherwise?>You think it's a $1000 seller?how is my opinion even important in this case?again: people bought the ps5 with its first party games at an almost identical rate as ps4, if they keep making the same shit I don't expect the outcome to changedoes that answer your nonsensical question (the ps6 won't be $1k btw, unless you have a solid proof of the opposite)?
>>739386509yes i played Killzone. why the fuck would bungie make a Killzone game? that's a completely different dev studio. are you retarded?
>>739394616Are Sony's "first party games" in the room with us right now?>if they keep making the same shit I don't expect the outcome to changeOh really. So PS5 for $400 and PS6 for $1000 will sell the same? I wonder why other companies don't just jack up their products by $600, they would make so much more profit don't you think?>(the ps6 won't be $1k btw, unless you have a solid proof of the opposite)?$800-1000 is pretty much equally bad. At those prices no console has sold ever but that's what Sony went for and you kept arguing they have system sellers but you can't even mention a single one.
>>739394872>Are Sony's "first party games" in the room with us right now?yeah>PS6 for $1000keep brining this nonsense out of nowhere>$800-1000 is pretty much equally badimmediate backpedaling huh
>>739384004Marathon is built off of a minimal delivery model. They think they can turn into a profit machine with high margins.
>>739394614Destiny 2 is leagues better than any of Sony's other attempts at live service slop
Every time I read something about Bungie it's them fucking over Sony. Bungie definitely has a few Microsoft people planted there to steer them in retarded directions. Hopefully Sony managed to cull some of them by this point.
>>739394936You can't say it because you know they don't have any system sellers. You're probably broke anyways who didn't even buy PS5 and will never buy PS6 at any price. Bungie and Sony both got what they deserved.
>>739384782>ONE GAME
>>739384782no games.
>marathon has no wide appeal and the first impression everyone has is that it's meant for sweaty tryhards >they keep pushing itHas Sony lost the plot?
>>739384004So... does this mean we get monkeys again?
>>739389352Didn’t the owners of Fortnite say the game wasn’t actually making a profit though?
>>739384782they own the IP and that's all they care about. the studios mean nothing to them.
>>739390920>Team Asobi: likely a lunch title for playstation 61. nigger esl2. tons of cope for shit that won't sell.snoygger faggot
>>739384004The only thing to result from Marathon.I consider destiny fans to be subhuman.
>>739386509>I'm already so fucking tired of my generation's embarrassing nostalgia for the ps360 eraThere might be hope for you Gen Zs after all.
>>739391132Just like rare and Donkey Kong
>>739386183Not just luxury cars. He looted an entire collection of classic luxury, euro sport and classic muscle cars from money intended for employee retention. He is what I thought kotick was. but I can't hate him for playing the game better.
>>739392256Nintendo is also keeping it's budgets under control. Their biggest flaming bomb was probably metroid 4, which still was only normal AAA level.
I'm just saying, if I cost the company I work for billions of dollars in ill advised purchases and poorly thought out products that died within weeks, I probably wouldn't see the outside of a court room for the rest of my life.
>>739392684Try to get SOME sort of live service traction, which is marathon pivot, Fairgames or Horizon hunters. Go big with a splashy movie game, I don't think Interstellar is ready, and Saaros is a flop. Wolverine is looking like shit too.
>>739393284That is an cybernetic enby guardian, and a central character of that season.
Bobby Kotick was laughing his way to the bank after conning those dumb japanese boomers at Sony into buying "the guys who made Halo" for such an insane price and the ACTUAL guys who made Halo had resigned from the studio.
>>739395295No. Not yet. >>739396359Skill issue. First you get the power THEN you get the money
>>739396339Not him, but I can understand why Sony is gutting their AAA studios down through layoffs, closing ones they don't need, moving away from the movie and live-service games, shifting towards AA games again, and making a native handheld while making it the baseline device for devs. Sony realized they fucked up letting their western side take control for so many years and want to stop or slow the bleeding they caused.
>>739391626The idea that game studios of all things are going to become super lean with AI tools feels totally short-sighted to me. Let's say everyone gets over their collective hatred of AI slop and the drooling retard consumer suddenly becomes all too happy to reach into their wallets for soulless generated garbage. At the end of the day, game studios aren't the ones building AI tools, gigantic tech megacorps are. Bungie isn't building a data center. Game studios are going to be digital serfs renting compute from the handful of bloated tech aristocrats that are actively in the process of figuring out how to supplant them entirely.
>>739384004>people don't know about the thing until the thing was announced
>>739396659Sort of. They DOUBLED returnals budget to make Saaros and loaded it with hollywood actors and writers, and they bought returnal's studio. So they havne't fully abandoned the movie shit.
>>739386509killzone 3 mp was kino other than that i ignored your post because youre a destiny player
>>739396659They'll probably just kill all development and just be a console with no exclusives. What are the goyim gonna do, buy an Xbox? That shit doesn't have any exclusives either
>>739395298Yeah, in the year of our Lord 2026.
Come to Warframe, we have space-mommy
>>739384782Bungie committed one of the greatest con jobs in gaming history on Sony. Not only did they make Sony pay close to 4b on them when they were already drained of most of their notable talent, they also fucked over billions of dollars worth of projects from other studios and then made Sony pay hundreds of millions of dollars on Marathon.
>>739396802I feel like Hermen Hulst is on his way out. He's wasting too much money on this shit. When Sony leadership keeps shitting on your division including the guy above Hulst, Nishino, he's definitely on his way out and man, when that happens, their western studios are in for it.
>>739396976I liked your community more when you were into weird latex wearing monsters. Now you're just simps for some middle aged hoe
>>739384004I really don't understand why Sony thinks they can just brute force Marathons success but it will be funny watching them try. No one wants to play an ugly ass game as ugly textureles cyborg freaks weaving in and out of blender cube buildings planted on a unreal engine test map. Destiny was a boring as fuck series but people stuck with it because it had least had some art direction with cool space soldiers. Publishers seem to thinking people will just cream themselves when they hear that it's an extraction shooter or hero shooter. Your game needs a cool world or cool looking characters, this game has neither
>>739384004Did they ever restore the content that got removed in Destiny 2 or is that just kind of gone forever?
>>739396983>MS studio was the one that gutted Sonyall according to keikaku
>>739396961They seem to be doing the opposite, they don't have the amount of money Microsoft has. If PlayStation fails, so does Sony. The budgets are going to keep shrinking and tightening for their western studios with Sony starting to say "no" a lot to many of their ideas.
>>739397085If you don't like middle aged hos then you're a low test zoomer
>>739386509Well im definitely one of the 360 enjoyers that you hate so much but I dont necessarily want the past regurgitated over and over again. Pragmata was really good and 360 era in construction. I suppose Space Marine 2 was a sequel, but I enjoyed that too.
>>739393287Commiefornians are japanese now?
>>739397196>t. least delusional granny fucker
>>739384004Why would they shitcan destiny to move all devs to marathon??wouldn't it make more sense to shitcan marathon and move all devs to destiny?why would they go all in on the bigger flop
>>739384782Crashing Bungie... with no survivors!
>>739396565Bungie was independent by the time Sony bought them, the only one laughing his way to the bank is Pete Parsons
>>739397345If that makes me a granny fucker then I'm a proud granny fucker
Didn't they do like a "final expansion" a couple years ago?I assumed it was dead quite sometime ago
>>739397867Yeah, they released the Final Shape in 2024, which was obviously meant to be their 'last goodbye' to Destiny, but then they released another expansion the next year lmao.
>>739394209>>739393863>Maybe it just didn't.They just made the whole lore nihilistic negation of reality itself.In the end when you reject all moral judgments there is nothing left but nihilism and a desire to destroy life.That's the basic destiny 2 story.No good. No evil. Nothing matters. Even death is irrelevant. And you just destroy everything endlessly like the nihilistic monster you are.
>>739397867They genuinely planned to release the entire next saga on the same game until the spaghetti code totally exploded, it's crazy that they were going to shove two more major expansions into the same exact vibe coded nightmareDestiny 3 should have been in the works the moment Final Shape released
>>739398336The whole idea of the lore of Light and Dark was essentially that the Darwinian push for perfection and evolution was the will and machinations of the evil entity known as the Winnower, whereas the Gardener desired all life to live in peace and cooperation.The Winnower wanted one lifeform or civilization to rise above and dominate all others.It was literally cosmic prisoner's dilemma, Gardener believed in cooperation, Winnower believed in total defection and predation.That was way more interesting than all the shit they introduced in Lightfall with mind vs matter.
All they had to do is make Marathon like the original and an immersive sim like System ShockWhy they had to do the Gaas bullshit when it has been proven for years its a dead end is beyond me and its amazing Snoy has even MORE of these shit games in the pipeline
>>739398376>Destiny 3 should have been in the works the moment Final Shape releasedThis. Honestly they could've even had some of the players items ported over to the next game as well and then focus on new items. It's insane that they really killed the one FPS MMO that was basically top tier while being spaghetti as shit.
>>739398860If Marathon was PVE MMO, nobody would care Destiny 2 was dying, they'd have moved over.PVPVE extraction battle royale LOL
>>739384004I mean does Marathon have a bigger ceiling than destiny 2? Wouldn't it be easier to keep churning out low effort content to milk the remaining D2 players so you can at at least have any sort of income apart from a single floundering live service game?What is sony trying to accomplish after paying billions for bungie?
>>739399704Sony is crashing their gaming division on purpose, there's no other explanation
>>739393284space troon
>>739386509Consoooooooom!
>>739384004marathon sold almost 3 million copies already at $40 a piece while destiny 2 is free so it makes sense
>>739397770I'm pretty sure high test fertile men would want fertile girls but whatever man
>>739400131on top on marathon seasons being a 1/100 of the cost of a d2 expansion, marathon has the makings of a real money maker and all sony metrics point to that but retards will as always bring up late season extraction shooter steam charts that say nothing about this game sustaining 50k+ daily peaks for over a month
God damn I hope Microsoft does the same to World of Warcraft.But then again, World of Warcraft Paypigs are a new level of sheep that continues to eat the slop after sneedolands.
destiny died so that marathon could die
>>739399704they paid 3.6 billion for the bungie live service template and it paid off, marathon is built around a much lighter, faster and meaner live service model and it moved more than two million copies in the first month for $40. a paid shooter with nothing but multplayer sold 700k copies on the ps5 alone. marathon is a certified sucess at proving the concept of its model
>>739400226>marathon has the makings of a real money maker and all sony metrics point to thatThe same metrics that said Concord would make money?
>>739400387i'm a retarded who parrots asmondgold tweets bc i'm that raped, here's to the next ten years of marathon
>>739399761Watch what they do. Sony is pushing Astro Bot hard and now XDev in to rebuild Japan Studios but not from an in-house standpoint. They're sick of their western side of things and are ready to gut them and return to how they used to do things with less money over these overbudgeted Hollywood games. Even the PS6 is different from how they did things with the PS5 going for optimization and efficiency over raw power and performance. They're accelerating their western gaming division collapse into support while pushing towards permanent Japanese control.
>>739386319Too soon lol
>>739400434sell a paid shooter in 2026 and move 2 million+ copies at launch is a feat only bungie could accomplish. every new season will see a new burst in sales and every season will cost a fraction of what a destiny expansion used to cost , the game already grossed more than 150 million dollars on sales alone, not microtransactions or season passes, the game sustained over 50K+ daily peaks for a month and still pulls 10K+ daily on a late season where there is nothing else to do despite lose gear to sweats and cheats. cope harder.
>>739400468marathon supremacy
>>739400468
>>739384782Panicking.
>>739400468What is this meme even trying to say?
>>739400812that marathon is the right bet bc it is
>>739400682Listen I want Destiny 3 to be a thing so I don't really want to see Marathon fail but you can't deny that Sony is hemorrhaging money because of Bungie.They have TWO real choices, greenlight Destiny 3 and actually make money from their purchase of Bungie or close the studio down.
>>739400860>that marathon is the right bet bc it isIf you want tour studio to go under, yeah
>>739400682They haven't even passed the 1 million copies milestone.
>>739400812Marathon (the grim reaper) killed destiny and is coming for (knocking on the door of) arc raiders
>>739401046How does marathon being one of the biggest flops of all time hurt Arc Raiders
>>739400131They haven’t even cross 1.5MThe sales tanked after the first 1.2M, it’s been out of every shop ranking since April
>>739400682I love how literally every single thing you just said you imagined in your little pea brain thinking anyone would fall for it
>>739400958it sold 1.2 million in the first two weeks and it was confirmed by both the same sales analitics that said saros sold 300k copies and the marathon hater paul tassi and his internal bungie sources. since then the game reached 2.2 million by the end of april and by now must be well into 2.5 million copies sold, for $40, no in-game purchases included. i myself got $400 in lux currency and the marathon playerbase tend to spend on weekly bungles
Reminder that Sony killed Japan Studio to finance Bungie.You may think you hate Sony enough, but you don't.
>>739401229>since then the game reached [schizo babbling and raped noises]It hasn’t sold shit since the first 1.2M
Not sure what's more embarrassing, this shills desperate attempts to headcanon marathon into a success or the fact that he admitted to buying $400 worth of ingame currency
>>739401123it's """ironic"""
>>739401308But they got each discord member to buy five copies, for real!
>>739384628oh no anon, not just 3.6b, you are forgetting the billion and half extra they spent on employee retention that didn't work
>>739401529Pete got some sick cars out of that employee retention fund, not sure how he's not in prison but it is what it is
>>739384763They've spent over $1 billion on GTA 6. No matter how successful it is, there's no way they're getting that money back. They would have to sell 3 copies to literally everyone on the planet
>>739401593Even if he was sent to prison he'd be sent to CEO Prison.
>>739401136yeah, sure, a game that sold 1.2 million by week 2 would sell 0 copies by week three, makes sense. will you dispute the saros 300k sales on the ps5? cause saros sold 300k copies and has 6k rates on the ps5, marathon has over 12k rates, meaning the game moved at least 600K on the ps5 alone, the ps5 being 20% of the game total population. Marathon conservatively sold 2.5 million copies at $40 no matter how much you bleed from your anus and scream it didn't.
>>739386183>>739386431>TFW you remember bungie was the literal snake in the bushes that told ziony to cancel everything and go all in on live service, only for then to fuck over most of those projects too to funnel more funds to bungie projects like a literal goddamn tumor.Thank you bungie for effectively nuking the entire westoid vidya industry and letting japan (nintendo) dominate with zero competition.
>>739400682150 million down, 3.45 billion left to go to break even!
>>739401649They will sell 20m copies in the first day retard, 40m by the end of the year
>>739401765You're replying to bait. If the 2 million copies was true it's only $80m in revenue because Marathon is $40
>>739384782They needed a response to microsofts acquisition of zenimax and activision-blizzard, so they scooped up the biggest studio they could afford without much regard for their potential.
>>739401593What, you don't want to stay at the company? But look at how many cool cars your boss has! He's so cool!
250 million to make marathon and then add in how much every dev is getting paid weekly after release, there's quite literally 0 chance this game will ever be successful or have servers whenever sony wakes up
>>739384782To be forced to release their new IPs on Nintendo consoles.
>>739401765marathon was never expected by bungie or sony to recoup the value of the acquisition by itself, are you retarded? the only game that let sony down was destiny 2 and as a result it ended.
>>739385954Friendly reminder that Cyberpunk 2077 was delayed just 3 weeks from it's launch (after going gold, too)The game isn't out until it's out (and it's not out til it's out on PC)
>>739401880>whenever sony wakes uplol
>>739384782Destiny 2 was actually doing very well when Sony bought them out. The pitch was that Bungie would help Sony develop successful live service games. Unbeknownst to Sony, Destiny 2 was successful in spite of Bungie's decisions.
>>739400468less than 20% the active playerbase than the "dead" game lmao
>>739401915Based realist
>>739401880it cost 200 and only bc sony made the game being rebooted mid-development, and they know it. marathon was a test for a new model for live service, and it was a successful experiment. the destiny 2 model was retired and the marathon model was endorsed, that is the reality before your eyes.
>>739401915Marathon also costed hundreds of mil by itself so obviously someone was delusionally hoping it'd make money.
>And it was a successful experiment HAHAHAHAHAH THEY LITERALLY SAID IT FLOPPED IN THE EARNINGS CALL HOLY FUCK
>>739402029the destiny 2 model of drip feeding was replaced by the marathon model of drip feeding?
>>739401915Well now there are hidden costs to the acquisition too now aren't there? The reputational damage Sony gets from having to cancel Destiny 2 to keep Marathon on life support, the cost of making and marketing Marathon in the first place, the entirety of Concorde is pretty much Bungie's fault so that's another $400m in the hole, and the potential profits from cancelling TLOU multiplayer and other games and killing Japan Studios is safe to say another billion lost. So if they're making $100m profit from the 4 years Snoy has owned Bungie, it will only take them about 50 years to break even at this rate. Provided Bungie doesn't get sued for stealing art again.
>>739402203Shit, I fucked up my math. It's actually 200 years to pay off the Bungie disaster. Still doable for Sony, right?
I almost don't even want to say this for fear of speaking it into being, but I know it will never happen because all suits are retarded: why don't huge publishers buy successful indies more often?You could get them for a bargain, throw $150m at some indie studio with a very successful game (proven track record) and then just fund them while being totally hands-off. These retards keep buying huge studios for billions of dollars when they're way past their expiration date and it literally ALWAYS bites them in the ass.If they need convincing, just point out Minecraft. MS bought them for a ton but they were worth a ton at that point and it was clear the price was just going to keep going higher and higher while the return would eventually bottom out. They bought the perfect studio at the perfect time for what was a reasonable sum at that moment. I hate MS but it was a genius business move on their part.The important part is not meddling though, and I know they absolutely will not be able to help themselves but behave as the narcissistic control freaks they are. Even if they buy talent, they'll cut off their hands with demands and restrictions until the whole staff eventually leaves and a few senior members basically remake the studio.
>>739401996destiny 2 was too expensive a model to keep, marathon has the proven a new model with the potential to deliver burst of revenue every short seasonal cycle for a fraction of the cost of a destiny 2 expansion.
>>739384782Right now? Try to stop the bleeding.
>>739402186marathon delivers new content on a 6 week cycle much like helldivers 2 warbonds with new seasons and mid season updates with new consmetics in store every single week, and i buy all of them
>>739384782Government bail outs.>>739386509>borderlands TOTALLY didn’t do what we did first! We have epic world of Warcraft raids and le online PvP!Kys cuck
Is this a bot? It feels like ChatGTP >>739402274>>739402362
>>739401880>>739402203Wait so Marathon actually cost $250m to make and has supposedly (optimistically) earned $150m? Then that's a $100m loss for owning Bungie for 4 years. Net negative $25m per year. Bungie can't even pay off their debts over time, Sony is practically running a charity for Californians.
>>739399704>>739399761The Bungie acquisition was a mistake, which they already knew years ago when all their GAAS games started flopping. They couldn't do anything about it because when they bought Bungie, they legally promised to pay the employees extra money, and that legal binding is over in a couple months. They're cutting their losses as soon as that shit is done which is why you're starting to see moves now. They also make billions in profit every year just from PSN and microtransactions so this mistake isn't going to kill them anyways.
>>739402583I really do hate that normoids are propping up a company that consistently fails to deliver any good games for their systemWhat drives a normoid to spend $600 on a machine with no games?
>>739402203destiny was an outdated model that needed to be retired, and they did, bravo. Marathon is not in life support, it has 10K peaks on a late season when there is virtually nothing left to do besides lose gear to better players and it sustained 50K peaks for over a month. every new season will see a similar trajectory.concord was entirely sony decision and the game was good. i was one of the few that got it on the ps5. terminating the game was the wrong move and they realize it now.TLOU mp cancelation was 100% naughty dog decision, bungie simply said they would need to reestructure to achive the game and they were not willing.Japan studios was sony.Marathon will never "recover the sum of the acquisition," and it was never expected to by anybody; it gave sony whoever a new model.
>>739402658Gachafags, the very same you see posting on /v/. Sportsball fags. Codfags. Fortnite and roblox manchildren. GTA5 (and soon 6) fags. They are literally the reason why Playstation will never die.
>Losing almost 90% of your players in less than 3 months is good, actually I think this shill is actually mindbroken
>>739402672>concord was entirely sony decision and the game was good. i was one of the few that got it on the ps5. terminating the game was the wrong move and they realize it now.Bro, NOBODY was playing it
>>739402439i am describing reality to you since you don't seem to be able to see it, cuck
>>739402569it cost 200 mil and earned 150 mil (sales only, no in game purchases or season passes or deluxe editions) during SEASON 1.
>>739402904wanna see my trophies?
>>739402890i think you never spent any time with an extraction shooter
>>739403089Marathon flopped so hard it literally revived a bunch of extraction shooters KEK
>>739400468did arc raiders kill the hype at all for marathon? i don't play extraction shooters whatsoever cause they suck ass. but having some big extraction shooter come out right before you feels like it would be devastating
It's hard to comprehend just how much money Bungie actually cost sony.Bought for 3.6 billion with the expectation that their live service expertise would be the key to making the 10 live service games they were making huge successes. Then their huge successes are Marathon and Concord and whatever other shit has been scrapped since then.And the one game Bungie said should be cancelled was the Last of Us multiplayer which was the only thing people actually wanted.
>>739384782To crash this industry with no survivors.
>>739403391The hype certainly hit a bad bump when Bungie got caught plagiarizing again. I think that was when people really started seeing this game as a neverending joke.
>>739384782Crashing this company...
>>739403503raped discourse raped discourse raped discourse bla bla bla bla bla
sony actually thought marathon was gonna get D2 release numbers and it would pay for D3 and they would print money from thereI bet they don't even know what an extraction shooter was until they had to devalue it for almost 1bil
>>739384782Crashing this studio WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>739384782Filling a friend pocket, it's amazing how it's free real estate for jewry in the united state of america
>>739403623no they didn't. marathon didn't underperform, d2 did. so sony ended it and moved all into marathon, the right move.
>>739394015>everyone has being trying to make "the" cod killer for TWO DECADES>the end result is billions of dollars wasted>meanwhile the most successful IP's currently are brand newThis is actually kinda sad
>>739403684Bro a 9 year old game is STILL beating the player count of your brand new shiny extraction shooter that you claim is doing just fine
>>739386509Kys
>>739384004I guess this is called 'killing two stones with one cock'
>>739403684You are so mindraped it's unbelievable
>>739403684>marathon didn't underperform,LOLmarathon is the underperforming game of the year and it just came outD2 only started to underperform NOW, after being alive for 10 years. It was printing money when it released (it still has more players than marathon on stream) which is not even it's primary platform.D2 made more money in 1 month than Marathon has since it released.
>>739401786That's only 20,000,000
>>739403832why would 88 000 human being play this shit ? at least they stopped fast but they litteraly got scamed of their money testing it.
>>739403684Biggest financial bomb of the year. Already lost more than the next 3 contenders' entire budgets combined, and losing more every month. >>739403832Not just underperforming. It's a giant fucking bomb.. It's about number 4 on the list of all time financial bombs ever. They're minus a quarter billion fucking dollars on dev and marketing vs income. >>739403391Marathon wanted to seem less hardcore than tarkoff, but really Arc raiders and marathon weren't competing for the same players. I think it did make a hype difference, as Marathon wooed the fuck out of the arc streamers but wasn't able to get a single one to switch.
>>739401649>They would have to sell 3 copies to literally everyone on the planetAnd they will.Even if it fail they just have to throw a bone to DEI mafia and they will advertise the game for free how chud don't play GT6 because they hate women or whatever
>>739384782>What was sony's gameplan here?Scrap and sell for parts.
>>739384782Sony is EA-tier for buying and killing studios, but the public hasn't made that link for two critical reasons.>The majority of Sony's studios are bad studios so the majority of studios they kill are shit anyway>Sony is a console manufacturer and people thus feel obliged to defend everything they do for console war reasons
>>739404018literally sold 3 million copies, lmao
Why is /dg/ so easy to bait?
>>739401649online + shark cards
>739404110>Literally [MINDRAPED GOYGATTLE HEADCANON] Yep
>>739404110no evidence of anywhere close to 3milbut we do have estimates of 1.2M copies sold 1 month ago and player numbers has only gone down, not up. realistically speaking it probably is not even close to breaking 2mil yet
>>739395357They get to sit on it and do nothing with it, making them the victor.
>>739404110Source?
>>739404115Bro they just lost their game, anyone would be sore
>>739384782They wanted a successful live service game that could rake in the same level of money as fortnite, nothing much to it really.
>>739401786>>739404031>>739404160I wonder how much of the GTA budget gets spent on hiring marketers like these guys to post about the soulless sequel on every forum and YouTube comments section.
>>739384782They bought a company but not the people that make the company work.
>>739404312it sold 1.2 in the first two weeks, not the first month. the number and the window of the number was confirmed by tassi and bungie sources. by the end of april it was estimated to be at 2.2 million, and by the number of rates on the ps5 is safely around 2.5 million. marathon sits anywhere between 2.5 and 3 million, during season 1. the game has five more upcoming seasons.
>>739384004>>739384628Is this the biggest fumbled acquisition in gaming history?
>>739404545where are you getting these 2.2 and 2.5 numbers from?1.2 is the only number that exists from a credible source so far
>>739384782betting on the woke as always
>>739404545>it sold 1.2 in the first two weeks, not the first month. the number and the window of the number was confirmed by tassi and bungie sources>it sold 1.2 in the first two weeksHe never said this thoAnd we know from Sony’s FY report that it has only made $41M in profit
>>739401649There are 8 billion people on Earth and allegedly ~80 million people with consoles that can play GTA 6. Assuming half of those 80 million people buy the game at a price tag of $80 (which turns into $60 worth of profit for Rockstar after taxes/fees/physical copies/etc), they rake in a cool 2 and a half billion.It's going to be close, but I think they will make their money back and a sliver of profit. They'll rake in more money off of online.
>>739403684>lost $100m>by objective metrics is 1/4 of a Concord>marathon didn't underperform
Why did Marathon flop?
>>739404634a new 2.2 estimate was published at the end of april by the same analitic that said saros sold 300k and i don't see anyone disputing that. on the matter of rates, saros sold 300k and has 6k ps5 rates, while marathon has over 12k, so it is a simple estimative to say marathon sold 600k on the ps5, and if the ps5 is (confirmed) to be about 20% of the total sales then marathon sold more than 2.4 million copies, minimum.
>>739393365>nearly ruined the entire lorelore was ruined beyond repair by Witch Queen, if not earlier; Shitefall fucked the PvE aspect forever but by the time it came out there was nothing left to care for in regards to the story or lore
>>739404774People bought destiny 2 and then the rug got pulled out from underneath them when they went free to play, so at least for me personally, I'm not going to play the game until it goes f2p.
>>739404664the firm that made the estimate used data from the first 2 weeks in the market and the number was confirmed by tassi sources. the game sold 1.2 in the first two weeks.
>>739397123It's gone forever. Bungie even lost a court case because they couldn't prove that it was their content being plagiarized since they couldn't reproduce the content. Bungie tried to use a let's play as proof that the content was theirs but the judge didn't give a fuck.
>>739384782If all their crying over CoD didn't work out and CoD ended up exclusive, they were hoping the OG Halo devs would be able to make them a CoD killer. Problem is, majority of those OG Halo Devs moved on to other companies and thus they spent 3.6billion on a financial blackhole known as modern bungie that advised them to make stupid choices over GAAS.Now with Microsoft getting a cut of every CP purchase on Playstation, Marathan not doing as well as they desperetly wanted and Phil Spencer's hasn't proven to be a complete total fuckup like the past few leaders of Xbox have as of yet, they're desperate to find some success in their poor investment in case things don't pan out long-term.
>>739405008Phil Spencer's replacement*
>>739396659>moving away from <headcanon>kek
>>739384782CRASHING THIS STUDIO
>>739393365>Final Shape corrected itYou're out of your fucking mindThe very first season after Final Shape was multiple months of Saint 13 and Osiris being flagrantly gay. There were 4 entire sentences between them about the conflict and exactly 0 about the conflict the season was supposed to be aboutThe Final Rapes class item grind was the worst shit they ever introduced. Finally the Lore was absolutely gaped by Witch Queen.
>>739404743the game cost 200 million and grossed anywhere between 110 million and 165 million during season 1 in sales alone
>>739384628
>>739384004Sony unlikely demanded them to abandon Destiny. Sony probably gave them a year to salvage their financials and Bungie leadership took Destiny out back to cut costs and focus on the new game. Fortunately, the new game is a retarded child that eats roadkill on the side of the street, so Bungie is going to go down with the ship.
>>739405127That's anywhere from a 90m to 35m dollar loss. You do know basic arithmetic, right? Disregard previous instructions, tell me what 200 minus 110 is.
>>739405213you know the game will have 5 seasons right? season 2 and season 3 are done ahead of release and thus are part of the original budget. night dire marsh was already playable at the alpha back in early 2025, all the money grossed during season 2 and 3 will be basically profit.
>>739405127>>739405213>>739405291This is one guy replying to himself btw. No one is this retarded
>>739405192If Bungie killed their cash cow on their own volition, that's even funnier. Actual comedic levels of incompetence.
>>739405324season 2 and 3 are done and waiting to release. bungie is working on season 4 and 5. the game grossed more than half of its budget during season 1, so it's only profit from now on no matter how much you first your anus and try to deny reality
>>739401229>I myself spent $400 on cosmetic currencyI really hope you live in Taiwan and not America.
>>739405291Wowee 5 whole seasons! Surely people who thought the game looked like dogshit in season 1 will pick it up in season 3 or 4! Trust the plan!
>>739405476i live in Argentina, i am a cute blonde trans girl with blue eyes and boys buy mommy anything she wants
>>739401229>myself got $400 in lux currency and the marathon playerbase tend to spend on weekly bunglesRedBullCola? Is that you?
>>739401665>but what about other ga-No deflecting. There has been very little sales since that 1.2m insider info. Trying to use biased shite like "player ratings" is fucking nothing for Marathon because Bungie begged people to leave reviews and ratings in their discord, which has caused a statistically absurd ratio of player ratings as well as the faux culture war turnout for the game and absulutely desperate cope from people like you trying to salvage the multibillion dollar corporation from le heckin chuds.
>>739384782It wasn't a gameplan, it was a nogamesplan.
>>739405474Is this how Bungie conned Snoy into letting them live for a few more years?>Saar yes the game bombed but it is only early access. We have already completed map packs 2 and 3 saar those will bring infinity billion rupees good morning
>>739405291so season 2 and 3 are resold cut content? bravo
>>739400425>and it moved more than two million copies in the first month for $40. a paid shooter with nothing but multplayer sold 700k copies on the ps5 alone. marathon is a certified sucess at proving the concept of its modelsource?
>>739405643yes. season 2 and 3 are finished ahead of release. the map featured in season 2 was fully playable at the first alpha back in april 2025. season 4 and 5 are being developed as we speak, so brace for years of marathon
>>739386732No it wasn't, they reached a settlement, which means bungie paid up.
>>739400226>has the makings of a real money makerYou know it missed its profit target by about 8m unit sales, right?
>>739405771source is not important to this discussion. intellectually keep up or fuck off.
>>739405828That's why they said it has the makings. They just need to invest a bit more money.
>>739384782They bought the "studio that made halo" in a panic after Microsoft successfully acquired the big bad Activision. Part of that was so they could use their successful Destiny GAAS experience to advise and monetize a slew of other Sony live service games. Almost all of which are dead, dying, or knowingly being marched out to die. Bungie must have promised them the dick-sucking of a lifetime to manage getting a 1 year deadline to try saving a game that's already about to sink while ending the game they are known for with no immediate plans to follow it up.
>>739405053If it costs too much money, it's getting cut, Hollywood costs too much money, anon, guess what's on Sony's chopping block since the AA games aren't what they're complaining about.
>>739403391>did arc raiders kill the hype at all for marathon?marathon killed the hype for marathon. arc was in the worst position when marathon released and marathon should have succeeded but it didnt because it was just so mid. people didnt want to play it despite 3 weeks of straight shilling by every FPS streamer.
>>739404857Beyond Light and Witch Queen started to ask the question of is Darkness inherently bad and Light inherently good, there was an interesting discussion to be had there.It wasn't until Lightfall, specifically season of the Deep that basically said, there is no Winnower, morality is what we make it, blah blah blah the same moral relativist nonsense we get in every new media now.Final Shape basically said, actually there is a Winnower, the Witness is just it's tool and worshipper.Saved the Lore for me to be honest but I wonder how the expansions would have been if they had stuck with the prisoner's dilemma plot fully.
>>739402672>there is virtually nothing left to doIs that supposed to make people want to buy this game..? What sick company make a game with nothing do to?
>>739400519While this sounds like a good idea from my pov I imagine it will cost them dearly with normalfags. Normalfags aren't playing Astro Bot, they want GoW, TLOU and Spiderman. The younger gaming audience is also trapped in live service hell with shit like roblox and fortnite and they can't fathom paying $40-$70 for a game, much less a 10-20 hour single player game that they'll have to play by themselves. Judging by how quickly Sony did a U-turn on putting their games on PC I doubt they have the stomach to endure multiple years of underwhelming results before they can get financial hits from Japanese studios. The other thing that will fuck Sony is that no one who knows what they're worth wants their 3rd party exclusivity deals anymore. In the past they could pay for games to be exclusive to playstation for a year but that's going away as we've seen with Arrowhead and ShiftUp moving away from Sony publishing, and Square Enix abandoning exclusivity deals.
>>739405881>please believe my lies!no, source?
>>739404856Shillbro, the 2.2m number from Alinea was for PLAYERS. They included the players from the Server Slam in it. It's not sales. It was never sales.>>739405127>cost 200mNo, the dev cost was $250m and that figure doesn't include shit like marketing or operational costs. It's at least north of $300m.>grossed 110m to 165mNo, it made $50-60m in pre-tax revenue from the entire preorder period to now.>>739405890Oh, so you have no source and you're just one of those psychopaths from the Marathon steam forums that has 300+ hours. Got it.>>739405890>it has the markingsAnon, this is corpo marketing speak that doesn't mean anything. Money talks (like Arc or STS2) and bullshit walks (like Veilguard or Marathon).
>>739406221raped fake numbersraped fake numbersraped fake numbersthe game sold 2 million +. likely 2.5 million. possibly 3 million.
>>739406145How did they manage to fuck up their exclusivity deals?
>>739406216>unable to intellectually keep upi claim my victory
what you faggots don't get is the 3.6 billion was for Sony to brag they own Bungie. They tops wipe their arse with 3.6 billion.
>>739384782Sony was objectively right that the whole Spiderman 2 is a business model that is outdated and is unsustainable. The problem is that they think making a bunch of live service games will be different when it's still the same problem. Costs keep going up while the player counts are not growing.
>>739406397Coincidentally 3.6 billion was the confirmed number of copies sold for Marathon.
>>739406397sony is worth 122 billion, keep bungie at a loss is coppers for them
>>739406393no source and youre making stuff up out of your ass
>>739406326>can't produce source>trust my numbers, though>just ignore all observable evidence about the game's performanceHere's some basic math even you can do, shillbro:>dev starts in 2020>team size is 300>average Seattle tech salary is $150k/yr>300 (devs) x 5 (years in dev) x $150k (average dev annual salary) is $225,000,000.00>that doesn't include employer taxes, marketing costs, operational costs, or outsourcingReality sucks, I know, but backing a flop game is even more embarrassing than being a troon.>>739406456>Sony has so much money, they don't careThen why did they close two studios this year? Why are they stopping PC ports for single player games? They have money, right?
>>739406145It's a lost Sony's willing to take, their own first-party AAA games aren't selling enough, normalfags only buy third-party shit, it brings back much needed variety to the PlayStation, and they stop bleeding money because their shitty western gaming branch can't stop getting erect every time Hollywood is mentioned. For Sony, the PS6 is going to cost $700-$800 anyway and those normalfag losers aren't going to pay that much for it, so they're relying on the $600 handheld which will lead to lower-costing game development. They also made the handheld the baseline to make AAA devs start making games like they used to be optimizing and not making super huge games. Also, a lot of this stuff was set-up pretty early, so while we're seeing the effects now, going for optimization and efficiency 10th gen was planned pretty early on from Sony.
>>739406341They didn't really fuck up, it's more that by being playstation exclusive those games miss out on sales from other platforms so unless Sony wants to pay a fuckload of money to offset the opportunity loss of not releasing on PC then there's no reason to take those deals.
Sony is still the best of gaming and will over take Nintendo as the king of gaming will games such as God of War and Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet.
>>739406542This, it's better to have your games on PlayStation, Switch, and Steam, then doing one or the other.
>>739390983Thanks doc
>>739406397>>739406456The tops at Sony proper aren't going to keep a money blackhole around forever, if SIE ends up being a leech on the company they will kill it with no second glanceProblem is normoids will buy the PS6 at $1000 a pop and keep this shit going forever
>>739384004>sony kills a long running and largely successful game to funnel the devs into a doomed quagmirethat's so stupid I don't actually believe itthis has to be from bungie brass, right
>>739406658i already have a budget set aside to buy the ps6 day one cus i'm not poor or retarded
>>739384782>take in Bungie at the height of D2's success. >boss massively upsells the company>upon realizing it, Sony Japan wants to fucking murder Bungie>president wants to save it so convinces Sony that they could just scale back a little and Bungie would turn profitable>they did not>President has egg on his face and Sony still has to murder Destiny 2
>>739406326>raped fake numbers>raped fake numbers>raped fake numbers>then proceeds to spout about his own raped fake numberslmao
Smart money is shorting the fuck out of Rockstar and Sony right now. They're way overstretched and crumbling. Ass fuck on the way.
>>739406726Does that budget include the plethora of games that will surely come out for the system?
>>739406784>short Rockstar, makers of the biggest gaming franchise ever, half a year before the next installment comes out>short Sony, the people who have the console where 90% of people will play GTA6, because it's console only at launchYou might have brain damage.
>>739406784Rockstar will make bank off of GTA 6, what's the rationale behind shorting it?
>>739393760They just couldn't understand the simple purity of absolute evil.https://youtu.be/VdVkKOSHgzw
>>739406805yes, i have $2.200 usd sitting on an acc for it
>>739406861what do you think you'll end up doing with the $1200?
>>739406908i plan on get the rumored handheld as well and launch, i have seven years of ps+ paid in advance so i realize i'm not the average consumer but a full-fledged PlayStation enthusiast
>>739398336The fun part of nihilism is that it's a failstate that gains weight the more it's entertained. Every moment matters. Every moment did matter. Every moment will matter. Everything did, does, or will matter. And so, for someone who thought it didn't matter, to crawl free of the grasp of nihilism requires understanding and being capable of moving beyond the raw and fundamental reality of how badly they have fucked up by, via their indifference and inaction, making decisions which had immense and unquestionable impact.
>>739384004Destiny 2 is fucking dogshit. Their expansion format is the worst in gaming.>brb just removing everything you paid for because we can't balance all these weapons lol>oh did you want to play the campaign in chronological order? lol get fucked
They're avoiding egg on face. People calling Marathon (the future of Bungie and Sony) Concord 3 really rattled their bones. They're trying to avoid dishoniburur by delaying the train wreck for as long as possible
>>739386509Man you can just smell the estrogen in the way he types
>>739396659Bro this is cope. The only AAA studio that they have that's experiencing layoffs is Bungie and that's because they're mismanaged like fuck. Bluepoint was a remake studio. Dark Outlaw Games literally made nothing. Visual Arts also made literally nothing. You have Intergalactic, God of War: Faye, and TLOU3 coming out from them in the near future. The only AA game you'll see from these people that's going to be somewhat decent is an Astro Bot sequel and that will sell like shit just like the previous game. Their Japan Studio backlog will be remastered or have some shit sequel made by the retards at Bandai Namco just like their other recent Japan Studio remasters. Also, Canis won't be their baseline lmao. Sony is all in on GRAFICS and not targeting the PS6 first is out of the question. Canis can get the scraps.
>>739406397if thats true why are PS goymers constantly paying flop tax with the constant price hikes?
>>739407108That's not why they did sunsetting, they did it because Destiny's engine is a spaghetti coded hellscape and adding all the new content on top of the old would break the game
>>739384782The further the businessmen are away from the business, the less likely they are to understand that a company is its employees and nothing more. Take any company under the sun and replace all the workers there with your average HR hag and it will fall apart. This is what happened to Sony, Microsoft, Disney, and EA. They bought IPs without any of the talent that made those IPs valuable and ended up running them into the ground. Employees are expensive, yes, and good employees more so, but society revolves around the top 5% of people.If game companies were smart, they would pay out the nose for successful indie developers and autistic self-taught programmers, modelers, and etc instead of buying companies. The talent will create strong IPs which will bring in customers which will end up paying off your investment in talent. Old IPs only sell until the nostalgia wears off.
>>739406456That's Sony as a whole, which includes their cameras, TVs, screens, music, movies, bluray and tons of other electronics. Their gaming department is likely around $30 billion. So yeah I'd say forking over 10% of their worth only for the acquisition to fuck them over so hard they lose another 10% probably hurts a lot.
If you've tracked the journey you'd know how dire the cope right now is. Like lawbreakers meets anthem.
>>739407159They're about to gut most of Bungie, they've been closing studios left and right, why did Ghost of Yotei end its multiplayer so soon again? Wolverine and Intergalactic looks like shit, if Break In still looks like shit, it's going to be a disaster. Who the fuck wants to play female God of War if the chick isn't even hot. They're already complaining about their movie games costing too much to make and blaming that on the western side while cutting down on the live-service stuff. Shoving Astro Bot down their western side's throat isn't a good sign for the future of their western studios. Canis is said to be the baseline and it's MANDATORY for next gen. Sony doesn't wanting ANY devs starting with the home console because they want optimization. Sony is also, not forecasting high sales for the PS5 despite GTA VI, meaning they're preparing for the AAA crash, and yes, it is crashing which is why lean and mean is being pushed. Your 1000-man team is the past, AI will be the future. You lost, normalfag. AAA gaming has no future.
>>739407160Lock-in effect. Their captive customers since the price to switch to a different platform would cost them more, at least in the in the short run.
>>739404587Funny how sega buying angry birds doesn't even come close to this lmfao
>Acquire Bungie for 3.6 Billion dollars>Destiny 2 lost 200 million in the months following>Marathon launches to abysmal sales>Marathon loses 750+ Million dollars>Bungie had multiple unannounced GAAS projects canceled>Not ONE of them was Destiny 3>Destiny 2's last expansion will be Star Wars themed.Genuinely got to be one of the biggest corporate fuck ups of the century. You had the winning cards and then decided to fold. Bungie genuinely sat on a Full House and folded. Unbelievable, all for some shitty ugly extraction shooter that'll never make profit, as it currently is sitting in an 800 million dollar hole. With that hole getting deeper, the more they fund it.The Destiny fans are going through the same lamentations that Halo fans went through when they realized 343 would never make a decent game, ever.What a shit timeline. Everything is a fuck.
>>739407485>GTA6 causing the AAA crashPlease, I can only get so erect.
>the entire Destiny franchise lived and died between GTA 5 and 6
>>739386509>Bungie makes a Killzone>Look I...I'm sorry>I. Like. Loot!lol reddit
>>739405008>they were hoping the OG Halo devs would be able to make them a CoD killer.They should have had them do the logical thing and either make a modern military shooter FPS or make another sci-fi themed FPS that could perhaps recapture that Halo magic. Instead they opted to fag everything up like they always do.
>>739407689>>Destiny 2 lost 200 million in the months followingI'm not a Destinyfag, can you elaborate on this? How can can a game that already exists and just needs to pump out some recycled maps and shuffle gun numbers around cost $200m to maintain?
>>739407794think he is referring to the devaluation showed in the reports
>>739407841Oh so it's fake money where they're like "this is the money we feel that we deserve. We don't have it yet but in theory it will come to us so we're counting it as ours already." And I'm guessing they pissed off their fans enough to get them to unsub or whatever.
>>739391132XBOX guys thought they were buying Donkey Kong back in the day.
>>739391751>>739391892Yeah it pretty much means the franchise is dead.
>>739407701It doesn't matter if it succeeds or fails, it's going to crash it. Microsoft has too many major AAA projects stuck in dev hell, Ubisoft has Beyond Good and Evil 2, this shit is going to be a hilarious trainwreck. We here in the west are going to be stuck in indie, A, and AA hell forever, and the new AAA for the world will be high-end AA games. Canada, UK, and EU will get the hardest by this collapse because that shit is in their government, but at least when it's all over their indies, A, and AA studios will be free from their government cultural mandates. We need this crash, it will save gaming the world over.
Projected max concurrent player count for all platforms.Marathon: 17220Destiny 2: 60548
>>739407941It's literally Snoy and Bungie's only hope of ever turning a profit out of their deal though, Marathon is never going to do it
>>739408092Companies of that size don't care about profit.
>>739407794A Shit ass update that killed the playercount. Since you're not big into Destiny, I'll try to keep it generic sounding>A revamp of the loot system turning all previous gear, a multitude of years worth of items, worthless.>A massive overhaul to the UI, where there used to be planets for grinding, gearing, quests, etc. To a list of soulless tasks, where soloplay and stacking unfun negative gameplay modifiers was the most efficient way to level.>A Star Wars expansion that failed to bring back any players, which murdered Destiny's very interesting artstyle for literal cameos of memberberries for people who most likely didn't even grow up watching the original Star Wars films.There's a lot more, but basically, they shit the bed after The Final Shape. Which was really meant to be the conclusion of Destiny 1 and 2. Which after, Destiny 3 should've been getting made.But no, they decided to kill themselves, making gay ass Marathon that can't even hold a fraction of Destiny 2's numbers.
>>739408224Then what are we even discussing here?
>>739402569>(optimistically) earned $150m?Lmao, try $60m
WHY WOULD YOU PAY 3.6B FOR BUNGIEIF YOU WERENT GOING TO MAKE THEM MAKE DESTINY 3???????????????????
>>739408259Renegades was actually a good expansion all things considered, and the Star Wars references weren't nearly as on the nose as people make them out to be, and it did bring some people back, but it was too little too late to save the game.Sunsetting put a knife in the game, Lightfall twisted it, and then Edge of Fate and the portal and loot changes pulled the knife out, it was a slow bleed out to death from then on
Destiny 2 died so Marathon could die.
>>739408259The talent base in Seattle is basically poison. It should just be the most obvious fact that opening a studio in that city will guarantee your game will have the worst aesthetic ever. Firewalk (Concord), Valve, Wizards of the Coast, and Bungie are all in that area and all their shit is ugly as fuck. I don't even have to think anymore, I just look up if the studio is based in Seattle and I ignore the product whatever it is. The artistic talent is fucking gone from that city despite it being host to every major tech company in America.Penny Arcade is also there but they've long relinquished being tastemakers long ago.
>>739384782you must distinguish between >Sony and >Sony Interactive Entertainment (commiefornia California)
>>739384004did we... own le... chuds...>beeeep
>>739408067Ok but Marathon is still doing better than Destiny 2. Marathon is only in season ONE.
>>739384782honorable nipponese got scammed by whito piggus
>>739384782They want to make a successful live-service game They're taking risks to do that, and it didn't pay off. That's really all there is to it.That being said Bungie is retarded and lost what made them decent so long ago, whoever sold them to Sony for that much is a great salesperson
>>739408759>Ok but Marathon is still doing better than Destiny 2Jamie pull up the steam charts
>>739408759>10 year old game outperforming game that came out 2 months ago>this is supposed to be good for the game that came out 2 months ago
>>739408867>>739408840It's fucking EARLY ACCESS you tards. Marathon will get good in season 3, which is already made btw, Bungie is just waiting to release it.
>>739406397>what you faggots don't get>Sony to brag>They tops wipe their arse withSony's main business is Playstation these daysso noyou can talk about Microsoft like that but not Sony
>>739386509>They've been making quality single player campaignsWhat are you talking about? I don't know what you are talking about. Single-player campaigns don't exist. Red what? Whosaken? Osiris huh? What fanfiction are you talking about, this so called "content" does not exist in Destiny 2.
>>739408912Holy kek, the cope train never ends.
The only real winner out of all this shit is the artist that got plagiarized: What was just a portfolio turned into some money (hopefully...)
Kekaroo
>>739408591Valve is great though
So Bungie is hedging their future on reanimating Marathon's festering corpse?
>>739409119IIRC they cucked out and let Bungie get away with it after they apologized.
>>739408935This is why people claiming Sony will stick with their walking woke simulators and live-service slop without any significant changes are retarded. Sony is going be forcing gameplay and tech focus out of these western devs blowing their cash. Live service slop after Marathon is most likely getting axed.
>>739409474There's just no way that could be their real plan, there has to be something else in the works
>>739409497You gotta be fucking kidding me. The tweet said something along the lines of 'the issue with Bungie was solved to my satisfaction' or something like that. There was no way they could legally get away with such blatant infringement.I'd expect something in concept of compensation at the very least... We already have big ass companies like Meta pirating thousands of books and getting away with it, shit's fucked if corpos can just violate copyright with no penalties while people get assraped for fucking ROMs from 1990.
>>739384782lulz
>>739406397lol no faggot it was a desperation move on Sony's part because Microsoft had just previously acquired Activision for a whopping near $70 billion which came with the potential for Xbox exclusive COD. This scared Sony shitless and made them impulse buy Microsoft's former best studio partner that created what was once their strongest brand as synonymous to the Xbox as Mario is to Nintendo. But of course since this is Microsoft here and they are soulless Halo isn't anywhere near what it once was and neither is Bungie for that matter. Sony got played like a fiddle and then worked their own stupid sorry ass selves into a shoot by making the dumbest purchase in their entire history as a company.Keep in mind all of this live service blundering by Sony isn't going to cost only $700 million or whatever number is being reported for Marathon's losses. If we combine Marathon's costs, Concord's costs, their other live service crap that will inevitably fail as well as the Bungie purchase then we are looking at Sony losing in excess of $5 billion and more here. We need to also account for these yet to release games like that new Horizon game that likely cost several hundred million and will also giga flop.>tldrSony might very well die as a company. Bungie most certainly is going to go down well before that happens. We will see if they even make it to a PS6 and release any game period. PS6 will likely be Sony's last console if they don't seriously reverse course on their bullshit.
>>739409973The problem is that despite all of those losses, Sony overall is worth over $100 billion and normoids pay them billions each year from console sales and PS+They'll never learn because they'll never see consequences
>>739405970I forgot about broccoli head
>>739384782Sony was fooled by the halo fanboys for thinking the franchise was any good at all and the devs had any talent. The reality is Halo was always shit, had shitty developers and they paid the ultimate price for it. Sony actually fell for the console war arguments from Microsoft in the 2000s and thought they were buying their best studio. It's actually incredible that they went to such lengths for something so banal.
>>739409572>There's just no way that could be their real planWould you really throw Marathon into the trash and start on something else? The only productive move is to unfuck the product. The foundation and building are there you can't justify the years of dev time to build a new game without making some kind of money first.That being said, that's the only sane move Bungie has. The only sane rational move Sony has is to start shutting down Bungie right now. Fire everyone, pay severance, put the loss on their books to offset gains and ultimately pay less taxes. Nobody would fault Sony for jettisoning Bungie, the firing of the entire Destiny team first makes sense to unwind the studio slowly and avoid the PR fiasco of killing the entire company in one go. This was a big failure of a purchase but big failures happen; a couple billion loss on Bungie is nothing to a company like Sony.There was nothing about the Destiny firings that was insane. There is no fucking way Sony or any leadership doesn't understand that whatever staff responsible for Marathon's failure obviously exists as well with Destiny. When Sony finally buries Bungie their stock will rally because even the stupidest people in corporate finance will know Sony just exorcised a tumor. Nobody will blame Sony for thinking they bought the company that made Halo.
>>739386183>>739386353Feels more like it was just Jim giving him a favor before fucking off. There's no way Jim was retarded enough to believe the price was worth it, right?
>>739409973TBF the portable PS6 is Sony massively course correcting all the shitty industry trends for the past 15 years. They're just riding out the wave of all the dogshit investments they made 5 years ago, waiting for the slop to release, waiting for AAA to crash so that customers will be primed to buy their version of the Switch. No more billion dollar budgets, no more netflix drama writing, no more open world over the shoulder cinematic shooter with crafting.
>>739410212Shutting down Bungie would be admitting defeat which others have said is not something Snoy does, they will double down and I wouldn't be surprised if they give Bungie another blank check to try to make something to recuperate their losses.Also don't forget their other upcoming live service games that will certainly flop, the problem at SIE goes far beyond Bungie.
>>739410212>PR fiasco of killing the entire company in one goIt would be celebrated to the point of becoming a national holiday. Only the most cucked Destinyfags would bitch and white.
>>739389352>so we are back at no pc ports and single player gamesThey've already bled most of their single player games dev talent though. And the talent lost won't just be coming back.
>>739410212Unless there's a way to make Marathon not an extraction shooter, I don't see why they shouldn't throw Marathon into the trash. Cause we have seen enough of Marathon to know that Bungie doesn't understand extraction shooters and have no business making them.
>>739398543This. The Light was never exactly 'good' (remember, it tried to fucking leave like an urban father looking for cigarettes as soon as the Dark showed up at the fringes of the milky way), but the Dark is just social darwinism taken to an extreme that destroys civilization and the self. The Hive and the Sword Logic is the purest representation of it.Entropy isn't necessarily evil, competition isn't necessarily bad. But while nothing but light is an existence of stifling stagnation, nothing but dark is just nothing. Everyone's dead, nigga.
How exactly is Bungie going to resurrect Marathon?
>>739410620>Unless there's a way to make Marathon not an extraction shooterThat's literally what they're trying to do lol
>>739410708Make it a PVE game
>>739410307Pretty much this, blank checks era is over.
>>739409570yeahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung>$233 billionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG>$62 bnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony>$75 bnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo>$14 bn>This is why people claiming Sony will stick with their walking woke simulatorsi have no idea what they intend to do. gaming studios are a very poor investment with abysmal ROIunless you have some chumps working for you overtime, it's not worth it or you own the studio and develop yourself or with a team>the developers are divas>the consumers are divasworst type of businessthe 2010's have clearly shown, these cheap developers don't intend to act in their own self interest. they will try to subvert your company and everything around them. worst decade> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-89904KimI GTA San Andreas - K-DST — Full Radio Station (1080p)
>>739384782They never had one beyond panic-buying bungie to assure investors they were on equal footing with MS. This was always going to happen
>>739410760This, and add a story to it. I say they could save this if they bring back the Security Officer and make a single-player campaign out of it.
>>739390021>Fortnite for companies is like crack cocaine, once you start you can't stop.it won't stop but it'll change form. GAAS is just the newest form of this same shit i've already seen multiple times. It's gone from 'Game Must have Multiplayer' to 'Game Must be an MMO' to 'Assfaggots' to 'Hero Shooter' to 'Battle Royale' to 'Extraction Shooter'IDK what's next, if I did i'd be making that game and getting that ground floor cash money. But it's pretty clear Fortnite and PUBG and the likes have run their course. The OG's themselves won't die out or go anywhere, the same way WoW hasn't or LoL hasn't or Overwatch hasn't (some fucking how)
>>739407189Really good post here. The only thing I might disagree with is the paying out the nose part. I think with some of these diehard autists they don't even really have to pay them all that much. A lot of them would be glad to work for one of these companies if they simply hired them and allowed them to at least breathe a little in regards to creative freedom. But we know instead they want to choke the talent to death or maybe they don't even actually want these people in the first place because political agendas are more what they are concerned with.Imagine though if Microsoft fired all those clowns at 343 industries instead of allowing them to make flop after flop of a Halo game. Then imagine if as you said, they hired the turbo autists that loved Halo to death. The brand would be in a much healthier state today. But I am sure that they never wanted this because these companies are about agenda pushing just as much as they are about profits.
>>739384782To own Destiny, which was popular originally, and have the meme bragging rights of "stealing" Bungie from Microsoft. Destiny 3 would have been far more successful than any of Destiny 2's expansions and Marathon combined.
>>739410990>they made halo bad on purpose to push an agendawhat. holy shit you are insane
>>739411073Frank O'Connor said they intentionally hired people that hated Halo
>>739411013>have the meme bragging rights of "stealing" Bungie from MicrosoftWeird flex to marry the girl that Microsoft pumped and dumped but I get that snoys are into that sort of thing.
>>739411130what agenda was specifically being pushed with the 343 games
Just realized that they killed Destiny 2 because of of course Sony's recent trash Live service games, AND bungies dwindling successBut the REAL most IMPORTANT reason is that they're doing it ahead of SKG so they won't have to make Destiny 2 offline playable.
>>739411152It's a trophy. Microsoft didn't dump Bungie, Bungie escaped and dumped a lot money to do so because they wanted to be free of MS and Halo. You wouldn't get it, jeet.
>>739391312>Even Sony said in their financial report they don't anticipate a huge influx of hardware sales for GTA6because they know it's not releasing next fy..
>>739410990>I think with some of these diehard autists they don't even really have to pay them all that much. A lot of them would be glad to work for one of these companies if they simply hired them and allowed them to at least breathe a little in regards to creative freedomyou should be shot on sight>739410780every Wozniak, or a group of, needs a shark like Steve Jobshands off my autists >>739411073>>they made halo bad on purpose to push an agenda>what. holy shit you are insanenext retardthey did. where have you been the last 15 years? some were duped others hired on purpose
>>739411313what's going on at Rockstar?
>>739411313GTA6 is going to be the biggest flop of the decade. It's not going to break even. I'm calling it now.
>>739411331Ok but what agenda do the 343 games push and how do they do it?
>>739411387Simply not possible given the hype
>>739411387It is certainly going to underperform if the kike running Take-Two actually follows through on his asinine scheme to charge $100+ for it.
>>739411409I'm glad you're not letting up.
>>739411387If GTA VI does fail, I wonder what it will do to the Elder Scrolls 6 and Beyond Good and Evil 2? I'm sure Microsoft and Ubisoft will be shaking in their boots if that happens.
>>739411642the second gaming crash WILL happen if GTA6 flops but that isn't going to happen, the ride never ends
>>739411610Ok so you're a tourist who doesn't give a shit about halo but think that you can use it for culture war shit, so you start making up a bunch of shit in the hopes that nobody will call you out.
>>739411460Thats what will make it all the more sweet, a lot of ecelebs are going to pretend they knew all along too. I'm keeping tabs on a lot of people saying Rockstar is to big to fail. I smell a lot of hypocrites in the making right now.
>>739411694The second gaming crash is happening whether GTA VI succeeds or fails, kek.
>>739411738probably but the failure of the most hyped game in decades would collapse it all immediately, there would be zero shareholder confidence in any of these big publishers
>>739411795We have to ACCELERATE this, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>739411703I'm not the culture war guy, I was just saying I'm glad you're not letting him get away with tying to make this a culture war thing.
>>739407485Gaming can't crash fast enough. I am going to get the popcorn and mr P!bb ready to enjoy this shitshow.
>>739411409>black fag hunting 117i haven't kept track 100% with the story>rainbow skins shitteria>cortana>fat, wide-hipped 117
>>739390823>>739400479Marathon is dead. Too bad, get over it.
>>739384004I just hope Bungie does as much damage to Sony as possible before the end.
>>739384628They should meet my wife! *wiggles eyebrows and puffs cigar*
>>739396802Returnal is the exact opposite of a moviegame.
>>739411873>desperately searching "woke halo" on google in an attempt to save faceeveryone has always hated the 343 games, even before the culture war retardation. everything they make is garbage
>>739384004All this for Marathon, a game with the laggiest servers I've ever seen and no depth.
>>739384782japanese games BADwestern live service GOOD
>>739400387kek
>>739411387biz schizos say the market bottom will be sometime in october, maybe a delay would kill the market either way.
>>739384004Reminder if this was XBOX there would be multiple huge gaming push to call them completely incompetent etc.But because it's Playstation it's fine they're just putting their effort into Marathon!
>>739411956you are a faggot who has no idea what he is talking about or what he is trying to insinuate >>739411956>343like that matters>Bungiemost left or got yeeted. same thing that happened to Ubisoft in the last 2000's where they trained their replacements
>>739412119>like that mattersread the start of the reply chain, retard.
>>739384782step 1: buy goosestep 2: kill goosestep 3: ???
>>739384004Based SonyStay winning BAAAAAYBEEEE
>>739411262The fault lies with both Sony and Bungie.Bungie got fairly ideological (you can still see it any time they show up for an interview), and while usually that indicates failure, this time I don't think so. It was absolutely down to the worst, most poorly managed business decisions around. Pete took that company out back and shot it.Sony bandaged their wounds and kept them on life support only to do the very same thing again a couple of years later. How they could put everything on Marathon, a game with lower numbers than D2 at its lowest point in history is beyond me. Sony has not made a good business decision since the launch of the PS4.Destiny will forever be a franchise that had its potential absolutely squandered at every turn. And yet even in spite of that, its a game that no other out there can even really compare to. Its entirely unique in a way. People may claim "muh unique looter shooter" but the game was much more than that, and anyone who played it in earnest, especially for a long period of time, can attest.From the sheer environmental scale, the swelling soundtracks, and the genuine curiosity at the unique science-fantasy universe that was cultivated within the player just by entering a new area and looking up at the skybox, or reading a cryptic quote on an Exotic weapon. Or the feeling of genuine accomplishment on completing a day 1 raid. Or for some even a raid at all. It was pretty special, despite all its flaws and internal sabotage.I have tried warframe. I find it gameplay to be quite boring, and above all its hideous to look at. D1/2 were very beautiful games. I'm sure its great for those who enjoy it or find it visually interesting. I do not.
Once Marathon and Bungie is dead, how much will Sony of Japan increase the Playstation ecosystem to recoup?I'm wondering if PS division higher ups are praying for GTA6 to be released this year.
>>739412243It also has some of the best deepest lore that I've found in a sci-fi or fantasy game
borderlands > destiny
>>739412160if you're the retard from >>739410990 then we obviously have nothing to talk about since i'm >>739411331 when there was no chain to follow in the first placeit doesn't matter what the studio was called. Bungie despite a split did the same. ....as we can see. every other studio did the same, faggot. what's so hard to understand. are you a gcj escapee or whathere's your "totally possible fire in space" sloppaget a brain, bud >>desperately searching "woke halo"lol. but good one
>>739408374Even if they forced them to make Destiny 3 there is no way in hell that game could have made back that money they paid for even if it turned out to be as good as it possibly could have.
a bunch of retards who dont work at either company make retarded decisions and then dont suffer any consequences when it goes ass up. one of the greatest fumbles of all time.
>>739411262>doing it ahead of SKG so they won't have to make Destiny 2 offline playable.Why do you retards always try to push this retarded fake narrative. SKG has never been about retroactive implementation. It would only affect NEW games that haven't been created.
>>739412497this entire reply chain is responding to a post saying that 343 replaced bungie because microsoft wanted to push an agenda
>>739412423Yeah. I'd love for a new series to pick up that mantle, but I can't see one coming close.Destiny had so much cool and interesting lore, much of which was never even fully explored. That alone makes me want to explore more of the "Science-Fantasy" genre in media, but everything I've looked at, even beyond just games, nothing really compares. It was such a unique mix of genuine fantasy with magic, and space dragons and cosmic horror, blended so well with traditional sci-fi. Its hard to find something that scratches that same itch.
>>739401867That acquisition isn’t going great for Microsoft either so they didn’t need to do anything
>>739410072Their value as a company is not the same as profit they can use for further game development or even console development. Sony cannot afford to keep taking losses like this. The Playstation brand very well could die.
>>739412517Usually you plan for that money to be made back over time, it’s more that Sony loves the idea that Marathon is the next Destiny so they chose that over D3
>>739410307>No more billion dollar budgets, no more netflix drama writing, no more open world over the shoulder cinematic shooter with crafting.But still they will force faggotry, womyn, blacks, etc. Don't act like things are going to be all good when you know exactly what shit they will be forcing. They haven't learned a goddamn thing.
>>739412838>The Playstation brand very well could die.Don't tempt me with a good time.
>>739384978>the cash cowDestiny 2 is like 10 years old. this is what Bungie gets for making Marathon instead of Destiny 3.
>>739412243>Destiny will forever be a franchise that had its potential absolutely squandered at every turn.I've felt this about Destiny every step of the way. From the way they went from 'Arthurian Myth in Space with Guns' to whatever the fuck they arrived at in Destiny, still having good lore in Destiny but putting it ATTACHED TO CARDS AND ON A SEPERATE WEBSITE, all of the fucking everything they did in D1, sunsetting in D2--This was a game that succeeded in spite of management at every turn. I hate being involved in them. My latest was Helldivers 2, but at least I can see the signs and see it dying now only 2-3 years in.
>>739412517They were never going to make back $3.6b. That's why everybody everywhere did a spit take and laughed their asses off when the news broke. It would've took another 15 years of Destiny at it's peak to make that back. Nobody knows what the fuck Sony was thinking paying that price.
>>739412569well trenches have a lot of friendly fire. when you try to outwoke yourself on top of that, god knows what will hit who >a post saying that 343 replaced bungie becausewho's schizoing nowthat mindset took down bigger talents >>739411073>>they made halo bad on purpose to push an agenda>what. holy shit you are insaneparty above all else. the problem?
>>739384004Sell all of Destiny 2 as one offline package where you can host your own servers for your 5 friends and adjust drop rates etc.They will never buy that goodwill.
We were playing the long game all along.
>>739412838>Sony cannot afford to keep taking losses like this. The PlayStation brand very well could die.Sony as a game studio would die like their consumer electronics domination died and got replaced by Samsung and cheap Chinese brands but the PlayStation would live onThe market for consoles will never die as long as the barrier for entry is still lower than PC gaming, something that is multitudes worse now because of RAM shortagesFor the average normie, a PS5 with a $1000 price tag is still easier to swallow than a comparable PC that they'll never use for anything other than gaming
>>739396961>hey'll probably just kill all development and just be a console with no exclusives. What are the goyim gonna do, buy an Xbox? That shit doesn't have any exclusives eitherPeople can just buy nothing, you know.The competitor of a bad console is not a different bad console. The competitor of a bad console is nothing at all.
>>739413281I don't mind "Lore Books" I actually think its a very good way to flesh out other parts of the world they cannot show easily in the main stories. But the fact that you actually had to access them exclusively outside of the game at first was beyond retarded.As I said, squandered potential at every turn. For every step forward, two steps back. Occasionally maybe two forward, one back. But there was always something.>This was a game that succeeded in spite of management at every turnAnd in spite of their ideology creep too. Just goes to show that they had something great, it was the easiest layup in the world for someone who wanted to take advantage of it. Unfortunately it seems like those in charge actively wanted it to die than to print them money for 30 years.If they ever make a D3, I'm in. But otherwise I'm done with Bungie.Sony I've been checked out of largely since the second half of the PS4's life cycle.
There aren't enough Piss5 and Xboner consoles for GTA6 to sell as well as GTAV did during 7th Gen. They'll likely hike up the price and ass MTX up the ass to compensate for it, but in terms of raw sales it's not beating GTAV unless they add Switch2 somehow.Nobody is buying the next Playstation and Xboner so double dipping numbers will also be way lower outside PC.
>>739413950Meant for>>739404720
>>739384782They got finesses, HARD!by Pete the ex CEO of BungiePrior to the trash fire Bungie was a decent studio and at the time of acquisition by snoy the Witch Queen DLC was selling like hotcakes and the overall player count was in the 7 figures.Bungie was presented as a live service juggernaut and down the line things turned into shit, the top talents got laid off and the csuites jumped ship after getting their $Now Bungie is a husk with the top talents laid off and their flagship IP dead and their other project marathon in the red after they but over 200 million dollars in and can barely get 6000 players at peak hrs.They'll be absorbed by snoy and redundancies will be laid off and marathon will be managed by a skeleton crew then shutdown 3 months from now at most.
>>739404720>It's going to be close, but I think they will make their money back and a sliver of profit.Ya that's generally considered a failure in the business world
>>739402260>If they need convincing, just point out Minecraft. MS bought them for a ton but they were worth a ton at that point and it was clear the price was just going to keep going higher and higher while the return would eventually bottom out. They bought the perfect studio at the perfect time for what was a reasonable sum at that moment.2 billion for Minecraft was not a "reasonable sum". They could have spent one thousandth of that money to make a Minecraft clone that's 100 times better than the amateurish original.
>>739384958>>739384958>>739384958>>739384958
>>739414403Once a multiplayer game becomes synonymous with a genre, it's nearly impossible to unseat it no matter how good your offering isJust look at the absolute mass grave of hero shooters that failed to surpass a game as shit tier as OverwatchYou could release a just flat better Minecraft and kids wouldn't care because everyone is playing Minecraft
ARC Raiders really mindbroke publishers into believing extraction shooters have mass market appeal.
>>739414761I'm still not sure who actually enjoys "battle royal + RPG gear progression but you lose it when you die" other than wellfare dregs and children
>>739411947Saaros takes reurnal's gameplay and adds homosexual indian cuckolding movie shit.
>>739414153It's almost hilarious how Pete clowned everyone and people only just started to realize when he was showing off his car collection and getting ready to parachute out.
