Why do the Sith keep betraying each other? Aren't they trying to wipe out the jedi?
>>739392042Being a Sith is literally like being a drug addict. Drug addicts will betray anyone to get their next fix. Few are pragmatic, as they operate on emotion instead of logic.
>>739392042>The rule of 2... never more... never less....well... that's convenient...
>>739392268>the bad guys follow rules
>>739392268Bane was autistic
>>739392042I can't imagine the level of NPC you would have to be to still care about Star Wars
>>7393923204u
>>739392268>never more, never less>pretty much every Sith Lord explores having a backup apprentice>sometimes the apprentice has his own apprenticeYoda btfo as usual
What about General Grevious?
>>739392408What about him?
>>739392042It's because the power of the dark side only grows in them when they feel strong negative effects like anger, hatred or fear. Nethertheless, the Sith did recognize their weakness and came up with the rule of two that ended up working in their favor. The student learns from their masters sadistic trials and grunt work while the master is kept on their toes from constant assassination attempts by their student. Hell, given the current canon Sidious and Vader did actually seem to like each other to some degree.
>>739392334I care about what Star Wars used to be
Malak was a pussy he didn't even challenge Revan to a duel just fired on the ship he was on.
by the way how is the mandalorian and grogu film?
>>739392403things get even funnier when you learn bane who made the rule tried to break it
>>739392408Literally not a force user, at all. Just a highly trained lightsaber combatant. All it would have took to kill him was a single Jedi reaching out with the force and stopping his heart but none of them were willing to do that. Whats even funnier is that it wouldnt have even been hard, not only because he wasnt a force user so he couldnt protect himself from ANYTHING force related like other force users can, but also because the parts of his body that were still living were extremely fragile.
>>739392628Do most Sith directly challenge their masters? Plagueis killed Tenebrous by cheap shotting him while they were holding off a cave in. Sidious killed Plagueis by waiting until he was drunk as fuck and electrocuted him. Even Vader snuck up on Palpatine and yeeted him off a cliff.
>>739392675Bane only tried to "break it" so to speak because he was worried his apprrentice, who he had spent decades and decades training, was not up to the task of killing him, and that she was not truly worthy of his legacy. So rather than leaving the fate of the sith up to chance and hoping things would be ok after he was dead he wanted to make sure.
>>739392737already showcasing a major flaw in it
>>739392709>Even Vader snuck up on Palpatine and yeeted him off a cliff.Current canon Vader made attempts to assassinate and overthrow Palpatine several times and each time Palpatine was like "I am proud of you son now continue serving me so we can both become more powerful".
>>739392042A better question is why are sith women so hot?
>Mogs the rule of twoENTER
>>739392042Despite what disney thinks, the dark side isn't just something that colours your lightsaber you can dip into. Once you're in, it's almost impossible to get out again, and when you're high on the dark side you always want more power. It takes an incredible force of will to resist that desire, and most of the people at the bottom are there because they don't have it, meaning they will focus on their short term desire over the fact backstabbing their superior for power will fuck them over in the long run. It doesn't help that most sith are also arrogant enough to assume they're strong enough to hand any consequences even if they do realise there will be any
>>739393186wasn't that just the old way?where the sith were a people?
>>739393186*tries bragging to 3 ghosts and gets utterly blown the fuck out in your path*
>>739392042They're crackheads with violent mood swings and giant egos.
>>739393191>disneyThat was a problem in the old EU, too. And the fanbase even today.People want the cool evil powers, but don't want the uncool evil consequences and mental issues that come with them. They want to be edgelord antiheroes who dab on the Jedi Code instead of being severely mentally unwell psychopaths who have evil emotions as their drug addiction.
>>739393292No, the One Sith's whole point was that they were blindly obedient to Krayt, so infighting was discouraged.
>>739392446BTFO kkkkkkkkkkkkGet fucked you rat
>>739393923sounds like the old way
>>739393191Dooku was arguably the only sith with decent control over the dark side (he never had the traditional sith eyes) and it still corrupted him. His ideals were so twisted by the end of the war that he was a shadow of his former self.
>>739393186*gets shat all over by ancient sith lords*kek
>>739392042The Dark Side should really be called the Nigger Side. It's just like that copypasta about how niggers lack the concept of "future". It's all about embracing what you feel in the moment and not thinking about the consequences. Somewhat suprisingly this doesn't make for a very good system of governance.
>>739392680>All it would have took to kill him was a single Jedi reaching out with the force and stopping his heartWhat if his bodyarmor was made from force repellent metal
>>739392042They haven't figured out that the ideal way is to have a submissive Sith girlfriend, who doubles as an apprentice, who is going to give you Sith sons, instead of doing this whole betrayal thing.What they need is basically gender roles.
>>739392268they're more like guidelines than actual rules. It's not like there's anyone actually enforcing them.
>>739394038>wow I can't believe this could happen to me, I thought me and Sidious were cool wtf
>>739393786It was very case by case. Heir to the Empire/hand of Thrawn was very aware of the dark side insidious nature, and honestly it went too far given that self defence was perfectly in line with Jedi teachings. Video games were forced to use abstractions if they didn't want to completely railroad players in stories that had a dark/light splot. For example Academy might have said it was how you use powers that mattered, but you still got a warning if you picked them up to show it was still a bad idea.
>>739394060The entire purpose of the Rule of Two Sith is to hide in the shadows and build strength for the future tho
>>739392042The Dark Side is a cancerous void that represents that antithesis of the Force (existence); non-existence. Because of this gazing into it frightens people and giving into it just a little bit drives people to utter madness.The Sith themselves are a schizophrenic Order that both value and look down upon honor; they want the Jedi wiped out but in the "proper way;" which is why they were so pissed with Palpatine and his Empire because Palpatine didn't kill off all the Jedi the "right" way, rather the Jedi were just shot in the back.Sith are incredibly volatile and schizophrneic; the only reason they seem more appealing than the Jedi is because their inherent lack of rules suggests that everything is on the table, when in fact nothing is on the table because the Sith Code preaches that a Sith can have their own moral code if they're strong enough. It's a complete cacophony of a Sect, just like their powersource.tl;dr Sith are fucking insane and no amount of cope changes that
>>739394217so jaesa
>>739394332Dark Side Jaesa is an absolute lunatic.
>>739392042because they're incompetent. if you have a bunch of sith you have a bunch of average sith lords. with the rule of two you ensure all the dark side energy goes to the few
>>739394362Imagine her sucking your cock.
>>739394362and she wants to be bred by you and loved by you forever
>>739394282It was there to enforce that behaviour. A Sith with one apprentice would never be retarded enough to think they could 1v1 the Jedi, and an apprentice with no allies would never be retarded enough to think attacking their master before they were ready was a good idea.The rule of two necessitated the master using his brain to go after the Jedi, and the apprentice getting good before taking over.
>>739394282And it was retarded. Bane gimped the Sith for a thousand years and the rise of Sidious was just a happy accident instead of something the Rule has produced (the only thing the Rule has produced was failure). All because ol' Sheev started thinking outside the box and got into Republican politics.
>>739394314The Force itself is insidious and does not give a shit about people’s lives so long as balance is achieved. The gorillian schisms and wars started by Force adepts is proof of this. There can’t be free will if the Force exists
>>739394314Sounds based, sign me up
The Jedi run on a platform of trust. Thus, it's more insidious when one turns out to secretly be evil, and somewhat karmic when they choose not to trust the Chosen One.The Sith run on a platform of distrust. They acknowledge ambition, and so expect to betray one another for the sake of their ambitions. That's why there's rarely more than two; a master and an apprentice. Such a dynamic instills just enough trust for codependency to keep them alive until the apprentice is ready to take over the role of master themselves.
>>739394540>Like clockwork, more schizobabbling from a Kreia-midwithere we go again
>>739394540Dammit, Kreia.
>>739394540Shut up Kreia, you never believed any of your own bullshit judging by the (canon) Light side ending
>>739394490The Jedi had been in decline long before Sidious came round. Bane's plan would have ultimately worked even if the Sith had spent all their time with twilek hookers.
>>739394217But what about when the master inevitably dies? Does the gf kidnap a force-sensitive boy and groom him into being her loyal simp?
>>739394540Like clockwork, more truthnukes from a Kreia-scholar
>>739394540>if Space God real, why bad space things happen?>because Space God is le evil!
>>739394217A Sith wouldn't be submissive.
>>739394490The Sith gimped themselves by devolving into retarded fiefdoms instead of actually fighting the Jedi. They had a war with the Republic for a millennia and not once did they come close to even dominating the Core Worlds. The most they ever did was cause the Republic to abandon the Outer Rim
>>739394664the dominated can't help itespecially womenthey could be brutally raped by their master and be an obedient little slave student
>>739394639>if you damage your own side so badly the enemy forgets you even exist you win
>>739394332>>739394416Evil women are based, because they are always written as very confident, willing proponents of patriarchal values. It's like they are a spiritual successor to the ideal wife of the various Aryan people. >>739394645She raises his son, anon.>>739394664Exactly. That's the great thing about evil women. They are confident in their submission. They willingly submit to their master. They aren't pathetic slaves.
>>739394564>>739394446But why would anyone have an apprentice they expect to kill and replace them? Why would Sith who worship and glorify selfishness be the ones to believe that of all people? I know why Bane did it (he was retarded and tricked himself into thinking it was a good idea), but why did anyone else? Because they cared about their "culture" continuing? Why? You can't be a Randroid that only cares about his own pleasures but also be a Nazi trying to secure a future for the Sith race at the same time, those ideals are incompatible.
>>739394654The only difference is that Force adepts are schizos who actually wield tangible power to personally fuck up society on a galactic level >Jedi falls to the Dark Side and starts autistic war>Trillions dead>Galaxy tries to recover >Another religious schism happens >Trillions more dead
>>739394742If you've got someone to swoop in, then yeah.The Sith could never beat the Jedi conventionally unless they were so overwhelmingly powerful that they could crush them all before infighting set in, or had someone powerful enough to never have to worry about it in charge.That would never happen because to get such a force they'd have to deal with the infighting in the first place.
>>739392268Bane was a coward afraid of competition and completely fucked over the sith dooming them to a slow death.
>>739394645As the other two anons pointed out, a simp wouldn't be a good sith. No, she grooms the shota until he's strong enough to shotadom her
>>739392042Because the OT trilogy had 2 siths and the entirety of Star Wars as a franchise is recycling the OT over and over because they can't come up with anything new
>>739394634It is as I though. You have failed me, completely and utterly
>>739394875A master can't do everything by themselves, and having an apprentice strengthens the master by mere virtue of existing.
>>739394875>But why would anyone have an apprentice they expect to kill and replace them?Because it causes the master to stay on their toes and further grow stronger themselves to keep the apprentice from overpowering them. They want a strong apprentice to push themselves to become stronger. And all they want is strength.
>>739394749>aryan peopleThat's why they treated them like lab rats, because they are "ideal wives"?
>>739394912It would have worked if Sidious didn't get high on his own supply and forget that his apprentice is there to kill him when he drops his guard.
>>739394979>having an apprentice strengthens the master by mere virtue of existingThis was never shown to be true. Palpatine never actually needed Vader after order 66 and he only kept him around because he was a sick fuck and he thought it was funny. None of the strongest Force users in history relied on other people. It's just an excuse for the weaker Sith whose mentality Bane represented to leech from the people with more potential than they had.
>>739394038I just watched Episode II, and Dooku literally tells Obi-Wan to his face that the senate is controlled by a sith lord, and invites Obi-Wan to join him and vanquish the sith. Dooku recognized how retarded the jedi are, invited his apprentice grandson to leave the retarded jedi and finally destroy the sith, but nobody believes him and he ends up being fucked over despite being the most reasonable force user in the whole series. And people say he deserved his fate because he was going to betray Sidious anyway
>>739394912>afraid of competitionBane felt the exact opposite. He utterly despised all his fellows because they were all kowtowing to a weakling just because he was charismatic, all while sabotaging each other to fight for crumbs.The whole reason he crashed the order with no survivors was because he felt none of them deserved to bear the title of sith.
>>739395118It would've worked for Sidious, famous for abandoning anything the Sith and Bane believed in. It would've never worked for staunch supporters of RO2 or any of the other ancient bullshit.
>>739395234neither did he, acting like a bitch
>>739395283Kaan, pls go
>>739395216Did you miss the part where Dooku was obviously lying and using half-truths? He could've "vanquished the Sith" at any moment if he actually wanted to. This is the same as Sheev telling Anakin he's gonna help him save Padme, he's just saying what the other guy wants to hear.
>>739392680But not that fragile.
>>739395169Palpatine is the poster boy for why abandoning the rule of two was a bad idea.He got complacent and died because it never occurred to him that Vader would turn on him.If he had actually treated Vader as an apprentice rather than as a personal bitch, he never would have offered such an opportunity.
>>739395239>famous for abandoning anything the Sith and Bane believed inPalpatine was jerking himself off over the idea of the Rule of 2 creating even stronger Sith. And then he won, so why would it matter any more? Any Sith that conquered the Republic and Jedi would have done the same thing.
>>739395353Dooku came off as sincere to me, considering he revealed his master's entire plan, and the fact that Obi-Wan was his apprentice's apprentice, he seems to have some fondness for him. He probably didn't believe he could kill Sheev alone. You could be right, though, I'm certainly not a star wars scholar
>>739392541https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJlbPXZEpREMe too, but it hasn't been what it used to be since the 80s.
>>739395587It played to me like Dooku wanted Obi-Wan to join him and Sidious, and he was only revealing the plan to weaken Obi-Wan's faith in the Republic and make it easier to bring him over. Dooku clearly didn't expect to be betrayed by Sidious, I don't see why he would jump him.
>>739395587You're not wrong about him being fond of Obi and wanting to have him on his side, but that's just that. Even if he was planning to turn on Sidious at a later point it wasn't to save the Republic or anything like that, he firmly believed in the Dark Side and the Sith by that time. If we're treating cartoons as canon Dooku had his own apprentices secret from Palpy and Obi would've been that.
>>739395328>had that retarded cowardly fuck pissing his pants when his lightsaber split in two
>>739395641Peak cringe
>>739392042It's fun. You wouldn't understand.
>>739395943>lie about a style being useless to get an advantage>still loseka'sim, pls.
>>739396125But enough about Soresu
>>739392042A part of me finds it funny every time I get to pull the ayy lmao race card during the sith inquisitor quest line. On another note is it too hard to ask for a new RPG game with at least the graphical quality of SWTOR? I'm not super sold on zero company but its at least something
>>739394898Stop blaming the Force and 'Force Adepts' for the actions of users who are blessed with power and choose to give in to lust, greed, and pride. The Dark Side literally preys on human flaws and then drives people mad, kek. It has nothing to do with the Force being 'evil' or shit like that.
>>739396437>tfw people went from mocking SWTOR for looking like it to wanting things to look like itwhat the fuck happened dude
>>739392042>only virtue is power, you need more power, always>things like honor and loyalty are seen as weaknessThey entire sith code is set up to make them backstab eachother at the earliest convience, makes me think that the clown that came up with it made it awful as a joke
>>739396554>makes me think that the clown that came up with it made it awful as a jokeThe original Sith were literally just that retarded kek, in KOTOR if you go to Ajunta's tomb he's whining and shitting himself over the fact that he helped birth an Order of absolute psychopaths. The Sith throughout their history are genuinely pathetic idiots.
>>739396554not necessarilyPlaying a "Grey" Sith or Light-sided one gives the Imperial questlines ridiculous amounts of depth compared to the black and white republic side
>>739392268dooku being generally levelheaded and not a retarded spergout nigger was exactly the reason why he could never ascend to the true heights of sith power
>>739392042Because Sith philosophy teaches adherents to be treacherous psychopaths, and those aren't really known for working together for extended periods.
>>739392308They don't since sheev was really in charge and he had two underlings below him while trying to get a third
>>739396749You're referring to Mara Jade? It only counts if they get a Darth name.Palpatine did violate the Rule of 2 while he was apprenticed to Plagueis though, having dubbed Maul as Darth Maul.
>>739392628>NOOOO THE BAD GUYS AREN’T SUPPOSED TO USE SNEAKY UNDERHANDED TACTICS REEEEEE
>>739397069well, it didn't really work out for him, did it?
>>739396997To be fair, he killed and replaced Plagueis as per Sith tradition immediately after. And even then, Maul clearly wasn't in the running to be Palpatine's true successor.
>>739397081And?
Why have an apprentice at all? If I'm a power hungry Sith there's no reason to not horde my power like I'm Smaug. Trying to train an apprentice just increases the chance they use my training to kill me
>>739397170>And even then, Maul clearly wasn't in the running to be Palpatine's true successor.The Plagueis book portrays Palpatine as upset when he sensed Darth Maul's death. He was a real deal apprentice, unlike Dooku, who was always intended to be a placeholder.
>>739397207old agenever mind how the ancient sith themselves were all casually immortaland marka ragnos was so powerful and respected everyone obeyed him even after he died for whatever reason
>>739397207Sith is a belief that you can have it all and that risks are fake
>>739397081It did for a while - as far as he knew, Revan was dead, and he could rule the mini-Sith Empire uncontested, if only for a year.
>>739397207Not being under threat of being replaced breeds complacency and stagnation. Sith Lords want an apprentice preparing to kill them so that they can also grow stronger as they fend off the apprentice's attempts to surpass them.
>>739392042If the following points are true>force sensitives have a natural inclination toward dark or light based on their temperament>dark side artifacts and temples can reach out to force sensitives, and contain the living memories of ancient sith who can and will impart their knowledge onto those seeking it>not all force sensitives are accepted or even found by the jedi>some jedi leave the order and fall to the dark sideWhy didnt non rule of 2 sith ever emerge after bane?
>>739397207because, ironically, they're the most trustworthy assets they have.An apprentice who knows they've still got something to learn can be trusted to never backstab you due to sheer self interest.
>>739397207>No apprentice>Meaning no real allies, to get shit done you have to either send out weaklings who can easily be killed or subverted against you or you have to send yourself>The older and slower you get, the more risk you take when you do anything>You get killed so everything you have gets taken anywayIt's an incredibly lonely experience being a Sith and having an Apprentice for even just a little while makes the pain bearable. You're BANKING on the Apprentice to kill you both to prove that Apprentice is ready and that you get a swift and noble by Sith standards death.
>>739397269>you can have it all and that risks are fakeA false promise that foolish Sith of the past fell for because they lacked the means and ambition to reach their goalsI, on the other hand, am more powerful and competent than my predecessors and thus I actually can have it all with no downsides
>>739397362Because every time they did, the psychosis attendant to the dark side invariably made them murder each other.
>>739397372For the most part that's true but Palpatine assassinated Plagueis without learning all of his Midichlorian tricks because if he waited, Plagueis would have become unkillable. Sometimes knowledge is necessarily lost in betrayal.
Recommend me some star wars vidya pleaseAlready played kotor 1 and 2 and swtor
>>739397362Temples and holocrons are incredibly rare and out of the way, since if they weren't the jedi would nuke them.Also, the Baneite sith would hunt down any pretenders faster than the jedi would if they sensed them treading on their lawn
>>739397343Until Sidious the Sith "lords" for a thousand years were hobo cult leaders with only one follower to them. What did any of them use their apprentices for anyway?
>>739397592I'm sure all 2 of Banecucks active at any one time could do the job the entire Jedi order couldn't
>>739392680That's actually why he has the wheeze in the movie but not the cartoon. Mace Windu crushed his torso.
darth plagueis still the only good sith book?
>>739397524Empire at WarBattlefront 2 OG (even if you only play singleplayer the galactic conquest is still fun)Pod Racer OGJedi AcademyForce Unleashed 1&2 if you're mentally ready for cringekinoX-Wing vs TIE Fighter series if you have a flight stick
>>739397608Mostly as bodyguards, hitmen, and general intimidating underlings.
>>739397657Well yeah. For one, they know the sith aren't gone and would keep their eyes open.For another, they don't have any bullshit to wade through to just curbstomp someone if they want to.
>>739397259only George's films are canon
>>739397657>>739397592I forgot that one faggot who trained Plagueis went out of his way to basically reject ancient sith knowledge as a whole and was a science sperg, wouldnt be suprised if he compiled and destroyed a fuckton of the sith temples and holocrons
>>739397789Well just hire a Mandalorian. And I mean a EU Mandalorian. Or get a custom droid. You're not doing anything that needs a second powerful force user at all.
>>739397853Fair. But there's nothing in George's movies that imply that Darth Maul was anything other than a full Sith Apprentice who would have been intended to succeed Palpatine.
>>739397894Sometimes you just want a bro who you can talk about the Force with. Plagueis seemed to really enjoy having Palpatine around. He wanted them to be bros 5ever (that's one more than 4ever)
>>739397259Didn't the same books state that he already was two-timing and having them both as apprentices without either knowing?
>>739397170>And even then, Maul clearly wasn't in the running to be Palpatine's true successor.Why the fuck do people keep claiming this shit? Maul was a DARTH, he was a tried and true Sith LORD. >B-B-But Rule of T-Plagueis and Palpatine were wiping their asses with the Rule of Two because they knew they were about to complete the mission and win, either by becoming immortal or killing the Jedi with the Clones. Maul was allowed to be considered a true Sith solely because the Rule was about to become moot. Palpatine was straight PISSED that Maul got ganked.
How did Maul job to a padawan if he was such a great sith lord?
>>739397860>>739398054I remember when Darth Trustthescience was ready to pull an UNO reverse on Plagueis and hijack his body at the end of their confrontation only to see a vision of Palpatine in the future and then he noped the fuck out.
>>739398174He fought Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon at the same time. The most active of the Jedi Masters and his apprentice. He was caught completely by surprise at the end
it gives (You) an advantage you dumb nigger
>>739398174Obi was the actual strongest Jedi in history, Yoda shoud've let him face Palpatine like he wanted to
>>739398174Darth Maul soundly defeated Obi-Wan in combat. He died in the aftermath while dancing around celebrating the win.Also Obi-Wan was functionally a Jedi Knight. Qui-Gon Jinn stated that he had nothing left to teach Obi-Wan.
>>739398410>He died in the aftermath while dancing around celebrating the win.Didn't he survive and turn into a cyborg spider or some shit
>>739398275>plagueis rejects force visions as unreliable and too vague/clouded>gets btfo by the preeminent vision user in force history, who his master had a vision of
>>739398507We don't talk about thatAnd the only thing he did in that form is job
>>739398507
>>739398507Nope, chopped in half and fell into a bottomless pit.It would be silly if someone tried to say he survived such a thing.
>>739398554unfortunatelyimagine if they actually let him win his fight against rookie vader
>>739398410>Darth Maul soundly defeated Obi-Wan in combatHe didn't, Kenobi bisected and killed (disregard troon wars canon) him. Fights over when one party is dead, not before.
>>739398590good pepehe was no fren of ours
The lightsaber is too cool of a weapon to be trapped in such a shitty franchise.
I actually like the Jedi approach a lot more than the Sith but damn if the Sith aren't just cooler in every other way. They dress like space wizards and their planets are giant abandoned magic ruins. Sith iconography is responsible for 95% of their followers I swear
>>739398646Darth Maul was bleeding, making him the victor
>>739398718>shitty franchise.This franchise is badass when you ignore Disney Canon.
>>739392042if you're strong enough to kill your master then you become the masterduh
>>739396502Ehh bare minimum at this point, animations are still jank as fuck but the models haven't aged THAT poorly
>>739398718Well in Gundam they have giant lightsabers and instead of Anakin being obsessed with his mom, Char is obsessed with a teenage prostitute who he wanted to replace his mom. And somehow the Force equivalent is more consistent and makes more sense which isn't saying much.
>>739395216>>739395587Dooku isn't pulling a Gin. There's absolutely no way to read him as some kind of tragic hero. At best he's an arrogant fool, who convinced himself he would somehow end up on top in the new galaxy he and sidious were making.
>>739392636If you have seen an arc or 2 of Mando episodes, this movie is that but with more "high budget" cgi fights.
>>739398730>they dress like space wizards and their planets are giant abandoned magic ruins... Uh, so do the Jedi??The Sith are actually more receptive to technology and cybernetics while the Jedi shun cybernetics as much as possible.
>>739398730I do wish they'd kept the original jedi knight vs sith samurai aesthetic they had in the concept art.Revan is the closest we get to seeing a Jedi Knight dressed up as a space knight. Imagine if you had Jedi in space knightly gear
>>739398887>The Sith are actually more receptive to technology and cyberneticsKek one of my favorite parts of the Revenge of the Sith novelization is when Warhammer 40k human supremacist Count Dooku is chatting with Palpatine on the Invisible Hand, he mentions that Anakin disgusts him because of his robot hand and he suggests Anakin should have learned to fight one handed like a gentleman.Palpatine tells him if that's how he feels maybe he shouldn't have cut Anakin's arm off lmao
>>739396491True... still the theory that the force as a whole uses people the way people use it... is not far fetched... shit. some stuff in canon is too perfect in how it happens bordeing on... 'coincidence', it would make sense that the force, by design when not in balance, would start to dig in the oposite direction
>>739398874who the fuck brought up your retarded anime trash?
>>739398925>imagine if you had jedi in space knightly gearDo you guys just not engage with this franchise at all or...?
>>739399080He was the first popular character who cane to mind when thinking about someone pulling a really REALLY long con to fuck over the big bad.
>>739399120>the Chad Jedi General wearing Clone Trooper armor
>>739398730jedi robes combined with clone armor is orety fucking sick too, really gives off that templar vibe
>>739398887The Jedi dress in plain robes, akin to monastic space monks. The sith dress like wizards in that their outfits are usually unique and sometimes they bling themselves out with as much gaudy shit as possible. You'll rarely see a Jedi willingly dress like Naga Sadow
>>739399120Does that look remotely like a knightly harness to you
How do Sith even build all their big structures if no one can hold a ladder for one another
>>739399297slaves
>>739399251>>739399249>>739399120kenobimind
>>739398874that didn't even make senseand it amounted to nothing
So are sith all emotions or just negative emotions? I know jeders are no emotion/no attachment scifi buddhist, but could you pull dark or gray force on a really strong positive emotion?
>>739399297Long ago sith were able to build empires and conquer large swaths of space. Then they encountered the Jedi and they never were able to do that again until Palpatine came along.
>>739399381all emotions
>>739392042Because Star Wars operates on the villains being both retarded and incompetent, but also indescribably lucky.
>>739399297A long time ago the Sith were just Klingons. But everything changed once Darth Retardation introduced the Rule of Losers.
>>739399381Sith are all emotions but the Dark Side favors the darker, self-centered emotions.Jedi favor the more positive and selfless emotions, they are stronger but harder to constantly tap into.
>>739399525Only the based mastered all cool elements. Only he could stop the Rule of Losers. But when the fandom needed him most, he vanished. Dozens of years have passed and the Rule of Losers is nearing complete saturation. Some people believe that the based never rejoined the fandom, and that the kino is broken. But I haven't lost hope. I still believe that somehow, the based will return to save the Sith
>>739399367Correct, and makes no sense for the exact same reasons Dooku wasn't playing some long game with sidious
Reminder: the Chosen One can beat up your favorite Sith Lord.
>>739399381If you were overcome by extreme anger and extreme joy at the same time how would you act, anon? The problem is that Sith don't pick and choose which emotions are good or bad and experiencing all emotions at their highest at all times will lead to you acting like a Karen at best and a serial killer at worst. Anakin literally killed the love of his life because for one short moment he thought she was cucking him with Obi-Wan.
>>739399759>peak AnakinYes, he could>VaderKek no he couldn't, Vader was a joke
>>739399759What if the sith lord has the high ground?
>>739399759i cast supernova
>>739399759I do believe that Anakin was the greatest of any Jedi in all of history with only his kids equaling him. Yes even greater than chads like Revan or Zayne.
>>739399759Time to grill a bitch
>>739392408
>>739399759I mean he got his ass handed to him by Obi-Wan, so doubtful.
>>739399856gayand zayne was always trash tier at best
>>739394596
>>739399759>The most powerful force warrior who will ever canonically exist in the setting>Hayden ChristensenOof.
>>739399975Zayne had a hot gf, so he is one of the greatest jedis ever.
>>739399887I don't understand why Lucas / Filoni insisted on making Grievous a jobber.
>>739399992>the stronkest guy in the setting is a handsome Chad that checks out
>>739400043Lucas is genuinely retarded and Filoni only cares about pandering to Lucas while also slipping in his OC donut steeles and clone wank.
>>739400043it was lucas
>>739400080Get off the internent Hayden
>>739400043Lucas clearly didn't give too much of a fuck about 3DCG Clone Wars
>>739400141Do they have internet in canada?
>>739400141hayden lives on a farm in the middle of nowhere practicing his lightsaber routinescoincidentally, it's also why rosario dawson looks like absolute shit next to himnot that she was any good regardless
>>739398741we have trained him wrong... as a joke
>>739400201The woman that plays the Nightsister chick is also some trained martial artist lmaoIt's like they wanted to humiliate the negress by pitting her against competent physical actors
>>739400201man disney shit makes me long for the super fast and wacky prequel fights
>>739396749Sheev was mad reckless with the rule. he was a Sith, Maul was a Sith, Ventress was a Sith, the Inquisitiors were Sith, Maul's brother was Sith adjace, Dooku was a Sith – no wonder his plans were foiled. nigga had too many cooks in the kitchen it was a mess to begin with.
>>739400296they certainly look more entertaining and realistic than these overly phony slogfests
>>739399887I remember being so excited for episode 20 with "BRAND NEW CHARACTER CREATED BY GEORGE LUCAS HIMSELF" and it fucking surpassed every expectation I hadgod, I miss that feeling
>>739400309Ventress was Dooku's dirty little secret and Yellow Maul wasn't anyone's official apprentice as far as I can remember
>>739392268This shit was always retarded and makes the galaxy seem so small. The Sith should be an ideology, not just literally two guys in the entire galaxy. It's just fundamentally a retarded system.A master/apprentice system itself isn't terrible, a master/apprentice system where there is only 1 master and 1 apprentice in the entire fucking universe is totally insane.And why the fuck would the Sith, notoriously cunty and backstabbing, actually abide by these asinine restrictions for thousands of years? There should be Sith duos all over the place, mostly in hiding. They should be like terrorists.
>>739400043It's all Lucas. He wanted Grievous to be a coward when the odds were stacked against him. Annoying as fuck when Genndy's rendition is peak.
>>739400404Yellow Maul is more Sith than Ventress or the Inquisitors but only because he was actually taught Sith stuff by Maul who was taught by Sidious. The other Dark Siders aren't invited to the club so they don't get all the teachings.Is what I would say if Darth Maul didn't die on Naboo.
>>739400201>too slow to hide they're aiming for each other's weapon>that completely unnecessary roll>weak ass fucking kick>doesn't go in for the kill while she's down>retarded mutual spin>bothers to disarm when she already has the sword arm locked
>>739400452>the difficult thing when creating Grievous I really wanted more of a cowardly villain who hides in the back and runs away a lot>then why did you make him a 9 foot tall armored killing machine with four arms?
>>739400590he has autism
>>739400590The CIS are all meant to be cowards.Which is self-evidently retarded because why would an army of cowards start a coward war?
>>739395641The franchise peaked in 2004
>>739396437>is it too hard to ask for a new RPG game with at least the graphical quality of SWTOR?That game is dog ugly, even uglier than kotor 1
>>739396665Listen I love the light side sith stuff but lets not pretend that it isn’t also just mary sue power fantasy wank
>>739400080You know what, you're right, I was being a hater. Haydensen is a cool dude.
>>739400448>There should be Sith duos all over the place, mostly in hidingThis does happen.The other duos hunt them down and they murder each other, winner gets to be the "real" Sith.
>>739400875nonsense
>>739392268Man banites are so fucking retarded for actually following this plan
>>739396665The only way I kinda like "Lightside" Sith is for them to be generally kind and honest with their dealings with the majority of normal people they interact with but the moment they meet another force wielder with a Lightsaber they go full retard Highlander. I prefer warrior autism Sith over "All according to Keiaku" Sith. But this rarely seems to be a roleplaying option.
>>739400962>I’m a sith with all of the benefits that apply but also none of the drawbacks>Other sith lords seethe endlessly at how much more competent and well liked I am since I’m not an insane crack addict self-sabotaging scheming retard who chokes out random sith troopers for fun>Jedi masters literally have a crisis of faith and go insane just from being in my presenceIt’s fun but come on
>>739400934The most retarded league of villains there has ever been. And all for what? To get your thousands of years of unbroken "Evolution" destroyed constantly by children and peasants.
>>739392042because theyre stupid
When's my boy getting in vidya?
>>739401065you can be both>>739401137it's insane what competence without the unnecessary excessive wastefulness does
>>739400679that game's ending is retarded, kotor 1 was so much better. I just played both back to back last week so I know what im talking about
>>739400404Savage was taught the bare fundamentals of what it is to be a Sith by Dooku, and later his training was advanced by Maul. Dooku trained Ventress to be a competent Sith as well. Either of them would mog the absolute fuck out of any Inquisitor, who are trained how to use a lightsaber at most (barely). They both count as apprentices, because the Rule of Two is more of a suggestion than an actual rule. Sidious orders Dooku to kill Ventress when it became apparent Dooku would become a rival if she got any stronger, and Sidious goes out of his way to kill Maul and Savage for the same reason
>>739400448This literally happened, this was literally the case in canon and legends. There are plenty of Acolytes, there are multiple 'Sith Apprentices.' It's just that whoever was strong enough had to kill all the other pretenders first.
>"grey jedi">look inside>pure-hearted lightsider who makes jokes and doesn't strictly agree with the council
>>739401393Grey Jedis are just lightsiders who aren't part of the order.
>>739401393a jedi without all the faggotryyou can be a sith without all the faggotry too
>>739398507Yeah, he survived and then he would've turned up very old in George's sequels and take over once the Empire fell.>>739400164Clearly he did since it's the only thing he considered canon next to his films, since he spent hundreds of millions of dollars and years of his time making it, since he called it his passion project, and since he referenced it in his sequel treatments and many times even years later after he sold the franchise, most notably when he was explaining the Whills in the Star Wars Archives book in 2018, referencing the Yoda arc.
Why do the Jedi keep betraying each other? Aren't they trying to wipe out the sith?
>>739401482i'm sorry, lucascome back, pleasewake me up from this nightmare
>>739401393The council make the greyest decisions of all. Why are they considered the lightest of light side?
>>739401573It's too late to apologiiiiiiiiiiizeIt's tooooo laaaaaaaaaaaaate
>>739401682
If I were to make a totally not Star Wars setting, then I would make the jedi and sith differences be ideological with a lot of different sects on both sides. For the most part, I would make it that the jedi have the mentality of, "The galaxy has cancer and must be cured through compassion," while the sith would be, "The galaxy has cancer and must be cured through order." Something like the rule of two would only be accepted by the most autistic of sith.
>>739401589Because the Council is the most extreme form of 'Lightness;' total ineptitude and inaction, the maintenance of peace and the status quo through any means.
Prequel kiddies are getting uppity again.
>>739395587>dooku came off as sincere to meYou’re exactly the kind of mark that gets taken in by the sith while everyone watching you in the movie smacks their head in disbelief.
>>739402026it's the star wars version of dark souls 2 fans
>>739401562>webm of a jedi attacking a sith unrelated
>>739401682>>739401743>>739401847Threadly reminder that the prequels were also bad and the fact that the Disney Star Wars sequels ended up being even worse does not magically make the prequels retroactively "good". They're still just as bad as they always were.
>>739402183Nah, you're gay.
>>739401393It's a spectrum. For your perusal, I have made a graph. There's disagreeing with your respective order, but you can't be one with the Force and also shoot lightning, nor can you be a Sith and also achieve true enlightenment
>>739392042They're taught to betray eventually because betrayal makes them stronger. Star Wars is written so cartoonishly bad when dealing with light and dark. I like Kotor 2's more Taoist interpretation of it, even thought the idiot who wrote Kotor 2 never read a sentence from Tao Te Ching.
>>739402183
>>739402365The prequels were still dogshit even if the sequels were even worse. Star Wars was always a children's setting.
>>739402398
>>739402445You're on the same level as marvel fans.
>>739402398>Star Wars was always a children's setting.No one's disputing that, though? Lucas himself said it. Prequels are good movies for 12 year olds. Which is what Star Wars should be.
>>739402398RLM are total fags. they suck off the shitty star treks
>>739402328exactly this. thank you for making a visual aide for the kreia retards.
>>739402328Dooku is a sith lord, he's definitely not in any limbo.
>>739402398Old man yells at cloud about something he was always wrong about.
>>739402398You can still write a good children's story.Age is not a synonym for bad.
>>739402328Grey has always been a stupid way to quantify Jedi who don't adhere to the council because it inherently implies being closer to the Dark side when that's not the case for most characters who historically dissented with the Jedi council as they were often actually more in tune with the force and more importantly it insinuates a dualism to the nature of the force when that's retarded Filoni nonsense
>>739402638And the first three are decent children's stories. The next three are pretty mediocre to bad ones. The last three are horrorshows.
living in a western country is like livig in the star wars galaxy. all kinds of weird lifeforms walking around. indians.arabs. feels like tatooine.
>>739402671We know, but we use that term in order to kill off the retarded 'Gray Jedi' fanon faggotry, and also because we don't have another roll off the tongue term for it.
>>739402730Sure, but you're the one who brought in age to the discussion.
>>739402771
>>739402671I mean we also had "Dark Jedi" and nobody was thinking that the two terms are related. Grey Jedi were Jedi heretics and free-thinkers. Dark Jedi were Jedi that have courted the Dark Side without embracing Sith philosophies or having never known of them.
I think people who rage about prequels but not sequels are buttmad sequel fags who pretend to hate the sequels so nobody can dogpile them instead.
>>739402797I mean it's more about the prequel's embarrassing and ignorant attempt to get really into the nitty gritty politics of a children's setting.
Reminder the biggest grey jedi hater on Youtube is a big sequel fanboy.
>>739403003I think it's fine. Gundam does that too and it's extremely huge as well with kids.
>>739403018Was this supposed to be a meaningful sentence on the first draft?
>>739403018Nobody is entertaining your fanfic power fantasy. You cannot use the Dark Side without losing your mind and going evil, you are not special.
>>739396491Doesn’t it seem kind of strange that out of all the Force organizations in the Galaxy, the most dangerous and evil Darksiders are fallen Jedi? Does it even matter how much good the Jedi Order as a whole accomplishes when all it takes is one, JUST ONE, Dark Jedi to sperg out any undo centuries if not millennia of progress. And who is to say that Force adepts even have a choice? How do we not know that it’s the Force controlling their actions?
>>739402604Dooku is a Sith lord, though not a traditional one which is a purposeful mirror to Qui Gon being a Jedi Knight but not a traditional one
>>739403018Faggot
>>739403242There's nothing not traditional about it. Dooku is a Sith Lord.
>>739403181See, you almost had a point before you outed yourself as another Kreiafag.
>>739403093Conversely, those who follow the light side are emotionless drones who honestly believe they must sacrifice themselves to the will of the Force. The Dark Side is just the most primitive and feral aspect of the Force. Literal force sensitive animals tap into it just to survive and hunt.
>>739402183cope
>>739403018Is that supposed to scare anyone?
>>739403331>follow the light side are emotionless drones who honestly believe they must sacrifice themselves to the will of the Force.Literally not the case at all, that is just an exaggerated misconception of Jedi teachings lmfaowhy are you fags so desperate to equalize the Jedi and Sith? Jedi are the objective no ifs whats buts about good guys who have the right of it and Sith are schizo murderers, end of story
>>739403003Look Mike I know that if George told you Palpatine is just like Lincoln your brain would short circuit but fairy tales always had life lessons that you could keep coming back to for your entire life.
>Darth MAUL>"Oh cool, is he going to use some kind of kyber crystal-based blunt weapon or something?">no he wields a lightsaber but it has two blades instead of one
>>739400749How is kotor 1 ugly?
>>739403548I really wish George had gone with Darth Icky
>>739403513>Jedi are the objective no ifs whats buts about good guys who have the right of it and Sith are schizo murderers, end of storyOnly the Sith deal in absolutes thoughbeit...
>>739403537Yeah, that's why you break up the easily digestible "Don't give power to bad people" into massive, lengthy segments of nothing actually important happening so you can show off special effects.
>>739403678>thoughbeitAnd only retards use words which do not exist.
>>739403513Because if the Jedi didn’t exist, the Sith wouldn’t exist. And desu, the Sith as a whole is basically a dark and twisted parody of the Jedi Order. Same weapons, similar force techniques, similar code, similar training institutions, etc. The Jedi Council was also content to sacrifice the entire Outer Rim during the Mandalorian Wars, and their reluctance to actually be guardians of peace lead to entire planets being decimated
>>739392042>aren’t they trying to wipe out the jediActually, no, it’s the other way around. The Sith want to do their own thing & pursue power but the Jedi devote themselves to being anti-Sith because it’s the only cause they can attach themselves to without distancing from the light side of the force. Whenever the Jedi do this, they get bitch slapped by the Sith & go into hiding, upon which the Sith only hunt the Jedi because they’re not stupid & know they’re a problem. The Jedi operate entirely as a reactionary anti-Sith organization because otherwise they sit in their temples & do nothing because doing something builds attachment which leads to the dark side.. so as an end result, everything becomes shit when the Jedi become powerful because the Jedi intentionally let everything decay around them. The intergalactic republic was such a corrupt mess precisely because they had a Jedi council. The catch 22 of Star Wars is that it’s easier to have a happy life as a non-force user, because force sensitive people are caught up in the tug of war between mastering the art of being an emotionless unfeeling robot who watches everything of beauty crumble around them by doing nothing, or becoming a machiavellian politicker completely consumed with hate.
>>739403946Jedi existed for years without the Sith.
>>739394540>The Force itself is insidious and does not give a shit about people’s lives so long as balance is achieved. The gorillian schisms and wars started by Force adepts is proof of this. There can’t be free will if the Force existsno lies detected
>>739403946>if the cops didn't exist, serial killers wouldn't existWhat the fuck are you taking about? They're just two retarded groups using magic.>muh balance
>>739403946...except the Jedi don't run the Republic, and if they didn't exist the Republic would've just lost the Mandalorian wars harder than it already did, Avellone
>>739402183OT was also bad
I like it when insecure people take talks of Ontology and make it about morals because they can't detach from their own purview. Wew is it summer in here or something?
>>739403946The Jedi aren’t a humanitarian org, and their only responsibility is to use the force properly (light side only, basically). Decay, systemic collapse, and disorder is fine because you’re not supposed to get involved nor attached too deeply else it leads to the dark side. True Jedi masters are masters of the art of doing absolutely nothing, and it’s why Yodi fucked off to a swamp and spent the rest of his exile doing exactly that.
>>739404191The Sith Empire was best.I want to make my own Sith Empire with harems and concubines.
>>739404249Call up Jabba, then.
>>739404062The Republic was only weak because some literal who Jedi Knight (Exar Kun) chimped the fuck out and almost caused TRD.
>>739403946The hell are you babbling about? The Sith were a schizo offshoot made up of retards like (You) who schism'd because they thought they knew better than the Council and immediately got their asses handed to them. The damn founder of the Sith lived to deeply regret the creation of the Order, kek.
>>739404308my man got "hoed" as the melinated like to say
>>739403018Oh no, le heckin e-celeb said something? O algo
>>739403090 >>739403093 >>739403267 >>739403480 >>739404416
Would you a Dark Side Rey?
>>739392042The Sith are required to lie and betray to be Sith. They treat their devotion to the Dark Side in this as religious rite. If you just want use the Dark Side without such a requirement, you're a Dark Sider or Dark Jedi, not a Sith.
>>739404526If she was 300lbs
>>739404526With that folding lightsaber? No way, fag
>>739404526best SW girl
>>739404514meant for >>739403018 sorry
>>739404395Wow that lady's hot sure hope nothing bad happens to her
>>739404561Honestly, what are even the chances of being born a Force sensitive human? I know some species are either completely Force sensitive or insensitive but with humans and Twileks it’s pretty hit or miss
>>739404526>worst SW girlHell no
Anyone else realize Jedi are just space Buddhists? With that being the case, what does that make Sith?
>>739404526I don't have a choice, she's the god of the setting
>>739404526no amount of dark side bimbofication can make her worth it
>>739404921Shura
>>739404921They're not, they're Jedi.
>>739404921space white supremacists but instead of whites it's force users
>>739404921Degenerate Buddhist sects? Like Yiguandao or Tachikawa Shingon?
>>739405009Does that make Mace Windu an Uncle Tom?
>>739394332A weakling. Slave to her passions, she may gain strength from them, but will never parlay that strength into true power.
>>739405057the same could be said of all sith
Why is it so fun to draw Star Wars Girls falling to the Dark Side?
I don't draw I gen
>>739404881Everyone is force sensitive to a degree in Star Wars, it's just that most are so lacking in the gift that they may as well not have it. It's much more rare to be an outright Force null.
>>739404921Jedi are buddhists. The Empire is US Imperialism. Sith are plot devices created to advance the story; they're simple greedy adults that are also ruled by emotion like children. That wasn't a description of contemporary politics/belief systems until a little more recently than their creation.
>>739405108You've clearly never played TOR if you think she's anything like the rest of the Sith
>>739405246Did...did you?
>>739405057>doing what you want is le weak!isn't like the whole point of being a sith that your passions give rise to power
But can the Sith defeat the Deck Sweeper Stunning Blaster from The Far Orbit Project!?
>>739405123Because girls are really hot and kinda interesting when they get a little psychotic. But that's for playing pretend. Around here we raised our star wars girls to be upstanding Jedi
>>739402527Starfleet academy buckbroke those fags so hard. Lucas finally gets his revenge: BTFO trekkies.
>>739392042>Why do the Sith keep betraying each other?They're edgelords trying to out-edgelord each other. Like if you tards were just able to fly off to another planet after you murdered somebody, and then your social standing among other edgelords only grew because you got away with it.>Aren't they trying to wipe out the jedi?They don't give a fuck about the Jedi beyond the Jedi occasionally asking the shit-flinging Sith tards to stop throwing shit everywhere.The pinnacle of being a Sith lord, with a tank the size of a celestial body and a galaxy-spanning empire of hate as a battery, amounted to blowing up an undefended resort planet and doing less physical damage to a teenager than en electrical socket.Generations of carefully cultivated Sith power just to get repeatedly shit on by a farmer, trucker, nigger, girl, and then ultimately bodied by a literal cripple. Oh, you're back? Fuck it, one malnourished girl should do it.
>>739400043I dont get George, he made aura farmers like Boba Fett, Darth Maul or General Grievous ONLY as throwaway antagonist and nothing more meanwhile thinking JarJar would be a top 5 beloved character with fans
>>739404921Jedi are a mix of a lot, there were Jedi sects that acted more eastern flavored with and some that were more western. The dogmatic direction the Jedi take in the mid to late Republic Era is due to the western flavored ones gaining power over the whole organization and outlawing shit like marriage for Jedi and enforcing hard rules about their shit because the Republic Senate saw them as a threat. The Jedi then proceeded to kick out or kill anyone who did not follow their rules at the behest of the senate. The ancient Jedi warlord before that happened was much a stronger Force user, more open to different paths, being less vulnerable to the fears that the remembered Jedi are associated with. Eastern flavored guys like Qui-Gon Jinn were a dying breed by the end of the Republic. Dude was always on a knifes edge of being excommunicated for his hippy shit. Palpatine was able to gain power specifically because of this adoption of pure dogmatism, the Jedi at that point feared the return of the Sith so much that feeling fear actually weakened their power in the Force, this is why the Jedi of the late Republic were so focused on controlling emotion and being generally insufferable. The ancient adventuring Jedi heroes of old are as far removed from the Republic Jedi, as they are the Je'daii Order of galactic antiquity, who fought the Rakata before the Sith even existed.
>>739399080>star faggot calling anything else trash
>>739406083>seething clorox drinker
>>739404921In the movies, Sith are basically just generically evil. In expanded lore they're kind of a mixed bag, but the most sane read on their belief system is that they basically want to be Nietzchian supermen.A Sith would definitely go on a rant about Master Morality and the Will to Power.
>>739392042No sexy aliens?
Star wars discussions are pointless because you realize very quickly that the people in these threads put way more thought into the concepts than Lucas ever did and it makes you not care
>>739406267but, anon, that's every series now
>>739406267It's Chris Avellone's fault for creating the only well-written character in the IP, actually.
>>739406356you mean him?
>>739406263Sexy female aliens hit a peak with Darth Talon. It's been downhill ever since. Everyone can go home now. We're done here.
>>739406267To say nothing of how little thought anyone at Disney puts into them. These are the brilliant visionaries who couldn't even be bothered to outline their sequel trilogy and decided to just make it all up as they went along instead
>>739406410God the cast of the second game were so annoying. Almost made me just take Visas and no one else as the active party members.
>>739392446now this looks like a suck your dick eat your shit moment
>>739406267VISIONS was pretty cool even if a bunch of them were clearly nonsensical and the stories drafted by a dude with only the barest familiarity with Star Wars. Arguably that's what makes a lot of them good. zero concern as to what fits into canon.
>>739406618>>>/tv/
>>739406618As much of a bitch Grievous is, I don't think he'd do that
>>739406673>he said without irony, in a star wars thread
>>739406680Does he even have a mouth?
>>739406718nope
>>739406712Seethe harder
>>739392042Sith are so prone to backstabbing that they made it a rule that there's only 2 at a time, a master and a student, and the student is expected to one day kill and replace the master.There's also something about only two people using the dark side of the force makes them stronger than your average light side Jedi, as they don't have to share.
Pitch your ideas for new sith lords
>>739406848nopethis isn't the speedforce
>>739406267So like every creative figurehead? Pro Tip: Here's another example, most of the things people think of as "Lovecraftian" were inventions retroactively inserted into his works AFTER the fact by other authors like August Derleth, Robert Bloch, Robert E. Howard and Clark Ashton Smith. Those fuckers are who actually made Lovecraft's lore make sense as a shared cosmology not Lovecraft himself.
>>739406919Lego the sith lords
>>739400590>>739400452Comparing kiddo cartoon to ground realism
>>739406919The unlucky darksider guy who find's the possessed demonic lightsaber Exar Kun created before he died. In the old lore it was a rumored, unfound Sith artifact of maximum edge on the level of some of the most evil Sith shit. Exar was said to have used necromantic alchemy to draw a thousand screaming souls into the crystal of the saber which then bled red on red like an exposed wound when it was used literally dripping and sparking with pure malice.
>>739406919Basically india in space where you go around lowering the value of things for your own personal gain. force points are represented by izzat and the more you betray your fellow sith and scourge the jedi and republic the more powerful you become. also it takes place heavily on ord mantel
>>739404514How many cum you been eaten?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3bY0u2VUJc
>>739400043>>739400452If you watched the original Clone Wars cartoon, Grevious was unironically grievously injured in the final episode when he got his heart Force crushed. This is why he's a baller in the cartoon up to that point and then why he has trouble breathing as a jobber in the films he appears in after that. It actually makes sense.
>>739392042Do not think goy. Only consume
>>739392042Why does Revan hold his lightsaber like a total edgelord faggot?
>>739407576bloody bitch bloody you bloody how can she slap?!
>>739407620Cause he's an edgelord faggot.
>>739407620>>739407661That Revan guy sounds like a real jerk. I'm glad I'm not him
>>739407715your mind was erased by the jedi, sorry anon youre (r)evan
>>739407758My name is Dave, actually.
>>739406919Accepts that there is a "Will" to the force like Kreia or Quigon. Instead of trying to "Kill" it or totally surrender to it they instead try to Mantle it like some Elder Scrolls crackpot and subsume it into his own will. Warning: May result in ego death.
>>739407798davesupyours
>>739406919a sith lord who hides his powerlevel and becomes the jedi grand master
>>739392268Being a sith is all about taking as much power as you can for yourself.If there are three sith then two of them will immediately gang up on the third and steal his shit.
>>739407325Old lore didn't have retarded crystal bleeding
>>739406267You think this is new?
>>739408104People had some wild ideas as to what the Clone Wars were before the prequels came out
>>739407983Old lore had crystals that had wildly different traits. There was a Jedi crystal called the Heart of the Guardian that shined pure gold and could only be used by the most pious, good hearted lightsider. It's brightness physically hurt dark side users with its mere presence like some classic RPG paladin shit.
>>739408169but i used it as a darksider and it did nothing
>>739408165>wild ideasIf Bob only knew.
>>739406267SW is bigger than Lucas and has been since almost the year ANH was released.
>>739408190Video games do be like that
>*ahem*
>>739400590He really should have just made a Boss version of the CIS fish dude. Just give him like prototype cyborg survival suit that would be like Vader's. Then you can even say you have one of the CIS assholes so something relevant to the plot instead of running around speekee like a chineesee even if he exists to job then you don't waste an amazing design on a shit film appearance.
>>739392042The idea is that you should have no weaknesses, and that by being killed under any conditions means that you were too weak to rule. It's supposed to make them stronger, but, it just seems like a race to the bottom to me.>Be strongest guy>die because need to sleep>dont sleep>die due to not sleepingThe system just rewards treachery, and it's no wonder that such a system produced someone as treacherous as Sidious in the end. Strength, I think not. Sniveling cowardice.
>>739400452Why was he defined as a general who had trophies which directly implied he could take out Jedi then?
>>739400749kotor 1 was legitimately beautiful at the time of its release
>>739408631>people wasted points on force persuade when persuasion was the most broken and useful skill
>>739397524Republic Commando
>>739392042It's because in one great war the Sith were nearly entirely wiped out by the Jedi and the surviving dickhead surmised it was because the Force is some finite resource that was spread too thin amongst them, thus going forward he introduced the Rule of Two wherein the goal was to literally groom your successor to one day usurp and kill you before taking on a successor of their own. This cycle was eventually broken in the OT but Palpatine's big plan was to just become immortal and thus be the eternal Sith lord.TL;DR Because all but one Sith died in a big fucking war, that sith made a new system where betrayal was the whole end goal
>>739407983Bleeding doesn't even make sense retroactively. When Luke gives into his anger to defeat Vader in RotJ, his green saber should have turned red when he was straight rage wailing on the old man.
Reminder that there's no such thing as "the light side of the Force" in any canon movie.>the forceEnergy created by life>the dark sideA cancerous growth created by magical cocaine addictsBalancing the Force means killing the cancer. The Force fell out of balance due to the Jedi's hubris, complacency and dogma overwhelming their connection to the Force.
>>739408862Vader throwing himself down awkwardly against that railing is very cringe. I'm surprised many people cite this as their favorite Star Wars lightsaber moment ever.
>>739408862Why does it seem like Vader purposefully falls like he's some WWE wrestler or something? It didn't look like a natural kind of fall. It surprises me this is one thing that the many re-releases did not fix.
>>739408980In the 80s, it was too impractical to have big chongus suit man doing decent lightsaber fighting.Thank God for the Prequels.
>>739397207Even fucking Sheev kept an apprentice around. He could in no way have done what he did if he was running around himself doing all the shit Maul and Vader were doing.You just can't amass that amount of power without having lackeys to do the shit work, except in this instance the shit work involves fighting superhuman wizard samurai and a clone trooper aint gonna get that done himself
>>739400201Compare western fight scenes to Japanese kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgGwq12x2KAThe commitment to the actual dropkick in this scene is great. This is also from a TV show btw, the actress is an actual stunt fighter (she was also in John Wick (3?))
>>739408943>>739408980They should have had his suit's breathing device fail from exertion. There's a scene where his breath is hurried earlier so it would make sense
>>739408165>That one theory where somebody thought the Clone Wars was started by a giant cloning facility that created an army of evil jedi and that's how "Vader killed Anakin"
>>739406919A pulpy explorer type, he travels with a droid man servant, and plunders jedi and sith temples for knowledge and treasure. He mainly uses blasters and the force for combat, but carries a short lightsaber as a tool.
>>739409072i've been meaning to watch those movies sometime
>>739409053Then just redo that scene entirely I don't fucking know. Its the biggest most awkward flaw in any of the saber duels in the old movies. >>739408943Agreed and I saw these movies before Episode 1 even came out. Its surprising not too many will cite this moment in the movie as a clear flaw when it so blatantly looks comically bad.
>>739392042The Sith are so stupid and power-hungry they couldn't stop killing each other long enough to do anything about the Jedi.
>>739409104>tally-ho Jedi savages
>>739394127>>739392680It was his own fault. Dooku warned him that he wouldn't be able to do shit against a proper jedi master, and he still tried to square up against Mace Windu regardless. He relied on shock and awe to style on regular jedi and keep them off balance, but Mace couldn't have been less intimidated by him.
>>739398554It's hilarious how nonlethal theyve made sabers and falling at this point because "no one's ever really gone"As it turns out, qui-gon is just a real glass jaw to getting stabbed because everybody else tanks it
>>739392403>palpatine's entire design (in all lore written after the original and prequel trilogies) is one sith ruling many
>>739404526Having Rey flip evil and having what's his name flip good simultaneously would have been an actual cool twist instead of the barf rian came up with
>>739408272>>739408104Zoom zoom
>>739409053For Star Wars movies they're definitely the best but overall. For all media I kinda prefer fight scenes to be more heavy and grounded so I'd probably give it to one of the fights from Visions. Flips and spins aren't my thing. I like sword fights when it's a lot of shenanigans with the environment for advantage, interspersed with very quick high risk combat.
>>739409104That's not a fucking Sith or Jedi that is a lame centrist
>>739409179Do you want more CG tampering with the OT? Star Wars should be watched in production order, ending with Revenge of the Sith.
>>739409104>Umbubu, grab me my Rancor Blaster
>>739406919Degenerate sex-addicted harem grower. Seeks to rule the galaxy so that he can have every woman to himself, throws the fatties into the sun of their system.
>>739409459i'd make mine a purposeful breedertrying to make super strong sith kids to conquer the galaxy with
>>739409429I mean Lucas had already tampered with that shit plenty before he ever sold it to Disney. The original theatrical versions of these movies are probably super rare to impossible to find at this point. Might as well do one more fix I say. You are right about ending with Revenge of the Sith. I will refuse to watch anymore of Disney's DEI crap slop movies.
>>739409069In fact, all of Palpatine's apprentices were instrumental in his rise. Maul was good at assassination and Vader was a good enforcer. Dooku started the entire civil war that brought Palpatine to power
>>739409428Bold words for someone in Maxi- I mean E-Web heavy repeating blaster cannon range
>>739407094The curse of every creator of popular escapist fantasy is that they stumble upon something with really good vibes that nobody has ever played around with before in that particular combination, and it has just enough detail that the audience can lose themselves in all of the little blanks that the original work doesn't fill in. The creators then get really insecure about this and try to exert what they feel is their rightful control over all of the tedious little details and they end up squeezing all the fun and vastness and dreaminess out of it as a result.
>>739409150I finished them all recently, the fight scenes are the highlights, though the story is also fun. There're a lot of otaku references littered throughout if you're into anime and stuff too.
Boba Fett is the biggest victim of George's changeshttps://youtu.be/g9N4tE8gqIQ?si=avf65-emlC0QHH4D
>>739408980He's being overwhelmed by Luke's rage. Luke nearly gave in to the Dark Side during that, calling on it to empower his attacks. Vader wasn't expecting Luke to just go full beast mode.
>>739393186Why did every single sith besides Krayt cosplay as Darth Maul?
>all this discussion over explicitly non-canon materialglorified schizophrenia. yall tripping.
>>739409793A'Sharad Hett was a Prequelchad and he set the dress code.
>>739403181Sperg fallen Jedi declared war on the Jedi over beliefs, Jedi beat them, Jedi refused to execute them and exile them. Sperg fallen Jedi founds a planet of the dark side and founded the Sith order.
>>739406661A lot of em fit the feel and thats what mattered most. Was a tattooine rock band a bit dumb? Yeah. But Jabba is the kind of vore slug who would humor that kind of shit because its entertaining then let it slide because he likes them for it so it fits
>>739408943>>739408980Six isn't actually goodThe entire raid on jabba's palace is just a waste of time because han doesnt do anything aferwards
>>739409104>say chaps, did I ever tell you about that time on tatooine when I wiped out the....errrr....>The Tuskens sir>Ah yes! The sand people! Thank you Oobu-roid.>Anyway, I killed them all, women and children too. >Wonderful sport let me tell you. The small targets are always trouble, but hey, thats why we learned to shoot lighting from my hands, am I right gents?
>>739392042jedi are lobotomized zen cuckssith are like humans, flawed and emotional. which is uhhh, worse? George can you explain it again?
Kraytbros...even Nihilus is shitting on us..
>>739410482>I need to call upon the restless spirits of great Sith that came before me! >Should I call up Malak or Sion or Dooku or Sidious or anyone that can string together more than two words? >No let's ask the walking black hole>Nihilus what great secrets allowed you to live beyond your physical death?>"I was hungry"
>>739400749>That game is dog uglyNahh
>>739406919When I first saw Snoke in FA before this was shown to be a hologram, I thought he was actually giant and that was a pretty cool concept, like does he have a lightsaber with a 40-foot-long blade, how the fuck are they going to fight him when the time comesOf course it then turned out no he was normal and boring, but the concept of a giant Sith stuck with me. You don't see a lot of genuinely-giant intelligent races in scifi.
>>739394060All niggers and most Sith lack foresight.
>>739409793Because bad guys wear black and they made their sabres are all red-y
Threesome with Jaesa Willsaam and Maris Brood.
>>739409809That's a nice canon you've got their George. Be a shame if someone were to educate others about the importance of "sola kino"
>>739411391God, I hate Martin Luther.
>>739392042don't care about star wars.just post webms of ahsoka coombait
>>739411501God hates you too
>>739394060I've never seen anyone obsess over black people as much as you /v/irgins do.
>>739411593If he had such issue with the church, he should've cleansed it himself.Now women and sodomites preach in Protestant and Catholic churches.
Anakin, did I ever tell you about the tragedy of Darth Bane the Big?
>>739411781How the fuck did that conversation end where it ended
>>739406919
>>739411920They were probably throwing a couple beers back.
>under Disney two Star Wars movies have bombed
>>739411942THIS
>>739410482Nihilus is a chump
>>739411732Anon, that's what he was trying to do. He was kicked out, he didn't leave by choice
>>739411942I wonder how the prequel trilogy would have turned out had George got to go all in on Jar Jar being the secret sith lord pulling the strings.
>>739412232It doesn't matter, anon. His actions had dire consequences for the unity of the faith.
>>739392042because the sith is just embracing being a selfish asshole, and do tot he fact the dark side corrupts you, it just results in becoming an even bigger selfish asshole, in other words betraying each other is a feature
>>739400201>character best known for backhanding her laser sword>does so for like five seconds before switching to a normal grip like everyone elseFor what purpose?
>>739400448Rule of Two was never an official and enforced rule anon. It was a practice started by Bane and it only became the “official” way of the Sith cause they killed all other Sith over time.
>>739394490Sidious wouldn't have been able to do it without the vast amounts of money and resources his predecessors had accumulated
>>739412508it sucks
>>739392042Star Wars had so much potential as a western space opera but turned out to be generic capeshit faggotry that will forever be associated with tranny coping and retarded fat feminists
>>739411007So what the fuck was snoke? Did he know he was a clone thing created by Palpatine?
>>739412420It kinda seems like the catholic church is the responsible party here
>>739412508It's dumb, even starkiller, who was given an in universe reason to explain why he did it, immediately switchs to a normal grip after the first swing in all his combos.
>>739412643of which he was a member of
>>739412740Do you want a second to rethink that post anon?
>>739412713>who was given an in universe reason to explain why he did itWhat was it?
>>739400452>be so afraid of dying that you encase yourself in metal and replace your body parts with androids parts>is also so afraid of dying he'll run away if he thinks theres even a 1% chance of not winningseems to check out. what, should he be afraid of losing his job or something?
>>739412574>turned out to be generic capeshit faggotryWhat?You didn't like the part where Leia survived being blown up unscathed and then flew through space all while sporting a very serious, heroic expression on her face?
>>739411781What about Darth Saxious the Smooth?
>>739412775Do you?
>>739409072why stretch out your arms to aim like that when they're two feet away from you? youre wasting time and making it obvious where you're going to shoot. just grip the gun at your hip and shoot in their general direction, theyre never going to dodge that
>>739412928He tried to stop the rot and you're claiming he was the cause of it.
>>739412984He accelerated it. All the splits did. Instead of fixing what they saw as a problem, they simply created more.
>>739411569This, but I liked Star Wars and post pics of in universe technology of star wars
>>739413071HE DIDN'T LEAVE THE CHURCH BY CHOICE
>>739413185I accept your concession.
>Sith Retarded >Empire Good >Republic Retarded >JediGood
>>739413382Jagged please leave
>>739413185He quite literally did, he was an anal retentive pervert and a mad man, he was incapable of actually acknowledging any legitimate issue within the church and when he got control of his own schismatic sect he proved the infinite truth that protestants are retarded and have zero understanding of the faith. He is likely in hell.
It's kinda funny to think how much lore and extra stuff Anakin has nowadays, and then you have Luke who gets crumbs at most if he's lucky
>>739398174Cause Obi Ean secretly let his master die to kill Maul by himself
>>739413967Wasn't old EU Luke pretty much the supreme jedi master by the end of it?
>>739414034he could go super jedishit was retarded
>>739398174He got cocky
>>739414034Yes. But Anakin still gets a better scene in talking to and beating the shit out of Cade Skywalker in legacy.
>>739414187I loved Cade's whole hallucinations/force ghost visits like when he sees Mara. I really loved Legacy in general. Edge kino.
play some swtor
>>739414076Luke being a hermit fuck up is one idea I liked about the sequel trilogy. They massively fucked up the execution though.
>>739414397what?as much as i don't like luke being the strongest jedi and force user to ever live, what the ST did was retarded
>>739414397It's boomer tier nihilism at its finest and insanely out of character.
>>739414537It's just George self-inserting. It's his original idea after all.
>>739414608
>>739401393>I see more grey than dark or light. I'm just a stubborn old man, tired of the foolishness of othersHe's just fucking depressed and wants to die cause his woman croaked. This somehow got translated into an archetype?
>>739414624ugh, ennis
People try to rag on the old EU, but it did the Imperial remnants being a threat, Palpatine returning, and everything else the Disney Wars tried so much better. It even killed off a major central character in a far better way than what happened to Han.
How would the post ROTJ EU even work if George Lucas never sold his IP and went ahead with his Maul and Talon sequels?
>>739392308The thing about the rule of two is that it's self enforcing because it works not on the Sith's desire to follow the rules, but on their desire to be selfish. No Sith Master wants a bunch of other Sith Masters he has to share power with, no Sith Master wants to train more than one apprentice so they can't gang up on him. The Sith ideology is already inherently rule-of-two because it encourages them to kill each other till there are the minimum left anyway, thus the Rule is basically just saying "We're going to end up with two anyway, so lets just save ourselves the hassle and stay there".
>>739392042They have big ass ships and super bombs that can split asteroids miles away and shit but they still fight with blasters and sabers. Idk why the sith dont just recruit a bunch of suicide bombers and hold planets hostage with them.>muh death starDoesnt count, too much manpower required
>>739393968That's the point. A bunch of Sith ghosts call him out on it and tell him that but he's too arrogant to admit it. Arrogance and delusions of grandeur are kinda the Sith's whole deal after all. "I'm so cool that when "I" make myself supreme leader all the other Sith will bow down and totally not scheme to usurp me. I'm smart".
>>739415092the rule of two failedwhy bother with it either?
>>739397362It's the "Rare in-universe, common in-story" issue. Sith temple's and artifacts are impossibly rare and most are on inaccessible quarantined worlds like Korriban/Moribund. People finding and being corrupted by them are once in a generation occurrences. But no one writes stories about all the people who didn't find ancient evil artifacts and just did their laundry that weekend, they write stories about the aforementioned once in a generation exceptions.
>>739398730I do like how we see how the Sith worlds deteriorate over the course of the series. I don't think we ever see Korriban at the height of its power, but we do see it in KOTOR as a bustling station full of Sith students who inevitably turn on each other and leave it in ruins by the time KOTOR 2 happens. Then in TOR it's a bunch of Sith Imperials picking the bones of long dead Sith lords from its ruins before we finally see it as a completely dead world in Jedi AcademyIf you really want to count the sequels then Palpatine basically occupied a single mote of land in the middle of a storm there to hold his cloning lab
>>739394332Is Tortanic actually worth playing? I remember trying it like 10 years ago and not being impressed by the gameplay. The storylines worth it though?
>>739415464I always find it weird how most ancient sith looked medieval and had swords like Sadow while others had advanced armor and used lightsabers (Andeddu, Tulak Hord, Kallig, Tenebrae).
>>739415613The stories range from mediocre to pretty good, but it's hard to choke down the gameplay
>>739415613Storylines are worth it, especially Imperial Agent.Legitimately, the most unique and one of the best Star Wars stories ever.And you clap copious amounts of voluptous cheeks.
>>739415613>>739415719Forgot to specify Empire storylinesRepublic is mostly ass
>>739415672>>739415719I'll have to give it another shot then. Though, if the gameplay really is tedious garbage, I doubt I'll be able to put up with it.
>>739415613It is a classic bioware romp it is fun to see what different dialogue options change (when they do change anything)The writing is decent enough which makes it a masterpiece compared to the shit millennials are making today
>>739415778god, that's depressing
>>739414397Hard disagree on that. Taking the hero of a beloved story and then giving him a horrible ending isn't at all my cup of tea. If I wanted to experience the bleak valleys of reality, I'd go outside.
>>739414397Retard.
Sequel trilogy should've focused on old Luke instead
>>739404921>Anyone else realize Jedi are just space Buddhists?No. They are the Knights Templar.
>>739416567ORANGE BUTTCHEEKS
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