Ciri being ugly in witcher 4 is intentional. This is however not some secret agenda or conspiracy. It's cdpr trying to get into new demographics. We as straight men generally have no idea how much we are panderd to in vidya, tv and movies. Could you imagine an alternative reality where the biggest game creators where romance games with hot dudes. That what the gaming industri would look like if women were the ones being panderd too. Would you like to play these games? No?, well what if those games also had hot women, now it's better right. It's the same logic CDPR is following, they are intentionally desexualizing ciri and other female characthers to make witcher 4 less pandery to straight men. It's still a monster slaying rpg so I would argue it's still pandering to men but less so. Just compare witcher 1 to witcher 3 to see this in real time. The women in witcher 1 look like sex dolls and you get a card everytime you fuck one. Peak male pandering, and I love it. However I don't blame CDPR for their new direction, it's their choice, they probably know that if they pander too far in one direction they lose revenue so they will try to find the position that is the most lucrative financially. I personally do miss the days straight males were the only ones being panderd to in gaming.
i think you might just be gay anon
There is nothing wrong with having a target audience. In fact, if you don't have one and try to please everyone you'll end up pleasing no one. Its mostly males that play these games. If you completely change the direction from your previous games you'll lose your original audience, including females liked these games for what they were.
>>739393672>TLDR: Check your privilege, shitlordNo, I shant be doing that. I will just play games that pander to me instead of games that hate me.
>>739393672Uh anon that's Dante from DMC
>>739394391I think you're severely underestimating how many female gamers there are, and how many of them play the Witcher, anon. it would shock you to your core
>>739394391Witcher 3 sold better than witcher 1 and was less pandering to men. If witcher 4 outsells witcher 3 they might continue the direction they are going in now. If it doesn't it's more likely they will return to form and focus on their core audience.
>>739393672You're baiting, but if they want to grab a new audience, make an original IP. Why does an established IP with a clear target audience need to suddenly pander to a completely different audience, other than wokesters are parasites? I don't run around demanding The Sims add fps action sequences and violence so that it caters to me. Leave our shit alone.
>>739395235No bait, just a schizo theory i made because i was bored, take your concerns to cdpr. As for useing an established IP i imagine it's easier to sell since it's already a household name. Just think how much money disneys starwars sequels made dispite how dogshit they were.
>>739395141Witcher 3 had several times the budget of the first game, was building on a well liked series and still pandered very heavily to men. You're going to have to show some evidence that the higher sales were because there was less random sex and not because of other factors.
>>739395484I'm not saying that this is what I think, I'm saying that this is what CDPR is thinking.
>>739393672>riot internal metrics on female playerbaseNo one likes ugly muscle dykes. It's a myth fabricated by REAL lesbians similar to the myth of women liking bara roid males when that is what gay men like. Gaming is catering to <5% of the population's taste and then wondering why the majority dislike their niche fetish designs.
>>739393672>Ciri being ugly in witcher 4anon you do know there was a gameplay showcase right?..
>>739393672A successful product should pander to the target audience. You are a dumb fuck, OP.
>>739393672>Women are fucking retards BASED BASED BASED BASED
>>739395860Did we watch the same gameplay?
>>739393672Ciri and anything involving her was always hated by the primaries that started with the books but W3fags didn't listen. You sure are listening now.
>>739393672I don't care how Ciri looks. She's a shit character and I won't play her game because of that, plus switching to unreal engine is fucking retarded.
>>739395947probably not because you'd obviously see she looks the same as in 3.also you're a faggot.
>>739396235Are you blind by any chance
>>739393672Its not a conspiracy, is just retards in the industry thinking attractive women in media is a conspiracy against women.
>>739393672Okay but female protagonists exist to owe me sex
>>739393672>We're pandered to in our hobby that we explicitly made for us and not for normcattle and women
>>739396308I think he is blind. He's gay too.
>>739393672Very nice. I am polish bought all previous games and this one I won't even pirate.Actually I hope they get denuvo.
>>739393672She isn't ugly at all, she looks great in the trailer. Yall use nit picked pics all of the time. What the fuck do you expect her to look like?
>>739395627Maybe. I think they really don't understand their audience if they think they're going to be really successful BECAUSE they switched to Ciri and stopped pandering to men. It might still sell well if graphics, story and gameplay are really good, but I think they'd do even better with those things plus a character creator.
She doesn't look like a half baked anime girl with big tits jumping around squealing its bad. We've seen the bullshit you play
>>739396892They didnt just switch to ciri dumbass, its foreshadowed in an ending in 3. Literally somewhat following the books after Geralt dies, hes only in theee books dude. After that the stories basically about her. What about you try and know what the fuck youre talking about.
>>739394391So why are you so insecure over playing as ciri? Its just a video game character, but youre allowed to have your opinion. >the Witcher was marketed towards malesEh, I cant really deny that, but women love it too. >>739395235Pandering to who? I dont see any pandering, its loosely following the books.
>>739393672>get into new demographicsLike what?
>>739394904You are overestimating how much women want all this endless uglification of fictional characters.
>>739397449Read the rest of the post
>>739397449Anyone he doesn't like, he cant and wont tell you for sure. Its all vagueness that the cling on to and cant explain their reasoning for it. But, its usually political and socio-political bullshit that they lean on. Them saying is about her struggle being a female Witcher, is in context. Not "man bad".
>>739397591See >>739397529
>>739397529No one does, its the developers doing it because of pressure from their higher ups. Why? Who knows, because men and women like attractive characters, and why attractiveness is a political thing inhave no idea
>>739397383>So why are you so insecure over playing as ciri?Says who? I am fine with female protags. I just hate this uglification trend.
>>739393672https://nationalfile.com/report-video-game-makes-women-androgynous-to-not-offend-trans-women/
>>739397759I get what you mean, but ciri isn't ugly at all. I dont know what guidelines and rules there is to make a female character acceptable outside of it being goon material. And the witcher has a lot of that.
>>739397618Women, lgbtq people, anyone who isn't a straight male or attracted to women or into male interests. please read the post next time.
>>739397121Nobody gives a shit about the books, you disingenuous retard. The games barely give a shit about the books. We're talking about the target audience of the video games which were the introduction to the IP for 95% of the audience.
>>739393672Id fuck that hard. I think the creators just got old like me and hag Ciri sexy.
>>739397802Who is actually fucking offended though? Ive been asking this same question for years. Someone on twitter/X? And people are still worried about their options and bullshit cancellation? These people dont live in the real world, they're terminally online and expect peoples opinions to reflect that. When it doesnt. Theres always this unseen group of people the developers are scared shitless of when in all actuality, no one gives a fuck. Maybe these people complaining themselves because that whole site is about a bullshit moral high standing pissing contest that doesn't reflect on real people and real world opinions. Ive never been "offended" over a character design or anything. I think its a lot of bullshit, and blackrock handing them checks under the table.
>>739397863Weird way to say Netflix but ok.
>>739397849>Women, lgbtq people, anyone who isn't a straightWoke shit fails because none of these people like woke shit either. Truly it's pandering to nobody.
>>739397925>hag>mid 20sHuh?
>>739397819nta but stop being obtuse, she's clearly a huge downgrade from W3.
>>739398052When the people youre trying to pander to don't like it, stop fucking doing it. You dont get burned twice, and if you do, youre a retard.
>>739393672>We as straight menThe fuck you mean "we", you fucking faggot.
>>739398105Not at all. >>739398029Want to add this, I think
>>739398029>Blackrock, always giving out free money for comically evil reasons!Is this the new QAnon?
No that's retarded. Hot people regardless of male or female appeal to both men and women. If anything girls are pickier about the protag being hot, especially if there's character customization. Ain't no female diehard fans of Returnal.If you want female audience why not just focus on hot male characters instead of ugly female characters.
>>739398043The Netflix show was shit because it ignored both the games and the books and couldn't come up with anything good to replace them.
>>739398218Has it been long enough we're officially back to "it's not happening!"
>>739398329Ive watched clips, it could have been good. They did bonhart well, he was ruthless and a bit comical.
>>739398404Bonhart was really good, I'll agree. But one genuinely good scene isn't going to save a 3 season series
>>739398395Just remind me what the reasons are again. Blackrock is just giving away free money that will flop to SJW's to eat babies for Adrenochrome?
>>739398505They literally stated their money came with DEI stipulations. They didn't hide it. As for why, you'll have to ask them yourself.
>>739398395I think it does, I think theres companies pushing these things and funding it. The push for dei and esg caused it. They needed more representation and not to hurt peoples feelings that didnt care in the fucking first place. Im a leftist, but God damn, didnt that "were pulling every lever" bullshit cause so many flops.
>catering to ugly peopleDo uglies really want to play as themselves and not someone beautiful?
>>739398483SUCK MAH BAWLSIEHLL BE RIHHT DOWEN.Coming down the stairs humming, lmao.
>>739398404>it could have been goodno it couldn't have.I don't know why people still think this.every single time a video game has been adapted into tv/film it's been absolute fucking dogshit.literally every single time.why do people still expect that this slop might be good?oh my good there's a new illumination mario slop being shat out let's make a hundred threads per day about it and then oh wait what do you know?it was shit.who could have predicted this wooow.
>>739398505>Blackrock who has half the marketcap of McDonalds is just giving away free money that will flop to SJW's to eat babies for Adrenochrome?ftfyDumbest conspiracy theory on the board.>>739398618The created it to capture socially conscious investors, offering a feel good system no other game had. Did it impact the industry, absolutely. Did they lose money for nepharios reasons, fuck no. It was a profitable venture that brought in new customers and returned a healthy ROI as covid printed bank.
>>739398928Except it wasn't a video game adaption but a book adaption. You know the famous book series the games are also based on.
>>739398928We all agree it sucked and could have been a lot better.
>>739399006No, because of what they were forcing made flops. The evidence is all there dude, and it seems like a Crack pot conspiracy but really isnt.isnt.bb
>>739398928>Mortal CombatI bet you feel pretty stupid now huh? Did you know there was zero sequels and remakes...
>>739398639I think this shit is turning people against leftist causes. People see their beloved franchises taken over for ideological reasons and they start bearing a grudge against people that did it. There is nothing noble about defending ugly fictional representation. You guys should use your credit for better causes.
>>739399468Im a leftist, but even i was like "yall are fucking up bad"
>>739399582Forgot to add, I still dont think Ciri is ugly at all. But, youre welcome to have your opinion. I almost think she looks better, shes not 19 anymore.
This song is rad tho, its about ciri. Never was a huge fan of Blind Gaurdian. https://youtu.be/tCzE9LX8cgc?si=lot-C3WcOASjD8Vz
>>739393672RPGs (especially CDPR ones) are built on the fantasy of being an empowered violent man, like a Clint Eastwood in a spaghetti western. It's just not possible to enjoy it properly playing as a woman. I dissociate from any sense of fantasy and the game dissolves into the core activities of fetch quests and collecting animal parts.
>>739399282No, they touch everything, so made a shit yon of money overall. You are cherry picking the flops.Case in point is Concord flopped, cost Sony lost 500m. Sony made 7 billion profit though last year, blackrock owns 8%. So how come Blackrock was responsible for Concord flopping, but not responsible for the 7 billion profit? Same with Microsoft, and countless others.You are not wrong, but people who harvest your outrage are making sure to hide the more accurate bigger picture from you. As a bizraili I cant afford to invest based on vibes but if I didnt have money at stake id probably just look at 1% of the intresting side of the story like you.
>>739393672>Still using the Pic from the 1st trailer.Ciri isn't Ugly and OP is a Faggot.
>>739396308Are you Retarded by chance?
>>739399913Im not mad dude, just its obvious that it contributed to flops, that weren't even concord. I get what they were trying to do, but it resulted in flops and insane amounts of money lost. I thought we were on the verge of another crash. Sometimes, people say what they want on their plate, but not touch it.
>>739393672I don't care about ciri and wouldn't play her game even if she was 11/10
>>739400078WITCHAAA WHOS COIN DID YE TAKE?
>>739395141Witcher 3 is on PC, PS4, X1, Switch, PS5 and XSX.Witcher 1 is only on PC.
I'm hoping there's a lot of the old devs at this new studio, and that this turns out okay so they can carry the torch of not pandering to faggots.(Witcher 2 was my favorite Witcher game and unfortunately I don't think either of these games will be comparable though)
>>739399767Im going to be a dork, and reply to my own post, admitting that every time I listen to this song i imagine myself fighting along side Ciri. Im a goober.
>>739400190But they made 8% of 7 billion, so they contributed more to success. The fact they were net ahead, by a lot, in the end is why I dont buy the conspiracy theory. People just zoomed in on the worst parts of that 7 billion, as social media does. I didnt mean you yourself was personally being dishonest and cherry picking.
>>739400401That trailer was intense, do we have a release date yet? I AM LIFE, I AM, DEEATH, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN
AI thread
>>739400472I think theres some truth, and some bullshit. I really think it was developers trying to keep up with the social climate and having it back fire.
>>739393672>they're pandering less to [videogame players and actual customers]>and pandering to [people who do not play, let alone buy vidya]Kek, enjoy financial suicide I guess.
>>739400401I dont remember seeing a pipeline of this much kino before, with absolutely nothing to play in the meantime. So many fucking games I want to play with no release dates yet, and the only game Ive enjoyed in 2 years is E33.
>>7394farms.AI thread100%, but I think we derailed them. Anyone can see how fuckable Ciri is and any posts about woman and gay customers are 100% AI/troll farm.
>>739393672Shalom.
>>739393672Nope, it's just that management got greedy for some of that ESG money from american pension funds. Most blackrock investment products are still "ESG-weighted" btw.
>>739400490>>739401280They announce the release date for this a while ago already it's September 2nd, so unless there's a last-minute delay it's not far away at all
>>739396563Isn't it made in chameryka now anyway? Seems like you really can't get the inferiority complex out of those PRL boomers
>>739393672Bad shot
How have we as a site not moved on from discourse like this. I think someone should kill us. We all deserve to be killed.
They're trying to demoralize white men
>>739393672>Could you imagine an alternative reality where the biggest game creators where romance games with hot dudes.you mean like The Witcher 1-3?
>>739402502By moving on you mean we shouldn't talk about it cause nobody here is gonna buy it? Or we shouldn't talk about it and buy the game?
>>739393672>It's cdpr trying to get into new demographicWhen has this ever worked? When has this ever lead to a company actually expanding their market and not just alienating the previous customer/fanbase? No matter if its entertainment or fucking soda this shit always ends up failing? But thanks for admitting she is ugly OP, was getting really sick of the gaslighting on that.
When does this modern audience materialize exactly? They didn't show up the last 128 times.
>>739393672There are examples like Concord and Highguard of video games with a target audience that isn't straight white males. Their target audience doesn't buy video games that pander to them, and seemingly telling people who do buy video games to fuck off is not a sound business strategy. Witcher 4 in particular is not Concord, but a dark fantasy action RPG is generally bought by men, not women.
>>739401423>people having a legit discussion>it must be aiTake your meds
>>739402542Lmao, fucking how? How are you going to victimize yourself over a video game?>>739403187Im still asking, what demographic?
>>739403597But that's wrong from what ive seen, women love The Witcher because of Geralt and maybe the story too. People can legitimately like and enjoy things regardless of gender.
>>739401013This all fails when you realize there's more people that don't play videogames in the hobby than the other way around.The masses will buy it, play it for 5 hours, says it's the best thing ever, then move on to the next thing. It'll be a success precisely because it doesn't pander to actual gamers.
>>739404075Ive always had that theory. They want to be seen playing it, but actually not. Not actually being invested and liking video games.
>>739403752I forgot everything on the internet is real.Especially the culture war cancer.
>>739404159The disabled, gay, dragon in a wheelchair in WoW literally made me laugh out loud. Its almost like a fucking parody but they were serious.
can't wait for TW4 to come out and be a massive gigahit and for the boardwide /v/ meltdown and then the inevitable cope/reversal were they convince themselves that its actually not woke and thats why its a huge success actually
>>739404241The crowd reaction at the game awards was telling, that roar of applause. That trailer was so good, I've watched it so many times. I have to save the village(as shes singing a slav folk song crying andnavred shitless), SAVE YOURSELF
>>739393672Your rhetoric breaks down when you decided the way to pander to women is to intentionally fuck over the male audience, rather than adding in female eye candy - which cdpr already do. Geralt was meant to be ugly as sin. In w3 he's a gigachad, in the tv series he's literally played by HENRY CAVIL LOL.Anyway, to grant your original argument, I'd have to add the premise that women are irredeemable cunts with mutually exclusive goals. I'll grant this, but now I don't understand why I'd support, understand, or care about their tastes.Fuck them, fuck cdpr, and fuck you.
>>739404159Oh no, Ciri looks 30! This outrage seems legitimate.
>>739404348Then its like they got so assmad she came back, oh let's just sink a fucking dagger in her chest and have her father hold her lifeless body. Thats why "GODS? THERE ARE NO GODS HERE..ONLY MONSTERS" was so hard hitting.
The Pac-man creator made Mrs. Pac-man to appeal to females because he succeeded in getting every white male to play Pac-man. Look at Pac-man now.
>>739404569Every white male was playing pac-man before and even women. What point are you trying to make here?
>>739404652Don't shun millions of white, male fans to please a few bloggers? Don't be retarded?
>>739404718We aren't talking about bloggers, you were saying that white males didnt play pac-man before Ms. Pac-man and youre completely fucking wrong.
>Ciri parts in W3 are boring as fuck because she is literally a->teleports behind you>heh nothing personal, kid>instantly kills group of enemiesThe only way you have a game here is if they heavily nerf her, and any reason they give is going to be fucking retarded. Ciri is literally only the main character because girlpower.Nobody gives a fuck about the book or show either shut the fuck up with that.Her being an ugly old cunt now only reinforces this
>>739404860She's the main character in the books, moron. Its literally about ciri no matter how you cut it.
>>739404838Trying to get more customers by putting a pink ribbon on Pac-man's head was stupid. Nobody has succeeded in replacing a male protagonist with a female one to increase sales despite trying since Ms Pac-man. It will happen again with Witcher 4. Most of the male fans will find something else to play and the female bloggers will find something else to whine about.
>>739405464You're a fucking idiot
>>739407481Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. Making yet another woke game and expecting to not go broke is insane.
>>739407914Because youre lying.
>>739408195If I was, your reply would have contained a list of successful games proving me wrong.
>>739393672It is a conspiracy shut the fuck up Jew troon shill
