"PS3 and 360 is modern gaming"You don't actually think that right?
ive only seen that said in this thread. where have you seen it?
>>739419240No? Of course not. But that doesn't mean it's retro either. Nothing after the ps1/n64 will ever be retro, it's just old, it's just too fundementally different after that
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>>739419335OP probably misunderstood a point I've made before. Basically everything up until the death of the SNES and Mega Drive is "retro", with the era of the Playstation 1, N64, etc to the PS3 and 360, being a transition period where things are moving towards what we call "modern games", which is the era we're in now.>>739419418It's in the magazine's interest to always expand the definition to shift copies and get readers.
Oh wow anon the ps3 and 360 are so old, they are playing ancient irrelevant titles such as TLOU and GTA5....... so retro and like obsolete
>>739419240"modern" often doesn't really mean "modern". I won't elaborate on that. iykyk.
>>739419704Gamers use "Modern" and "Retro" like they're fucking Julius Evola or some shit.
>>739419404>>739419418>>739419638>Retro>adjective>Retro describes new items, styles, or concepts that consciously imitate or revive trends from the recent past. I cannot think of a single mainstream gaming console that has ever been retro. You people are fucking retarded.
>>739419240retro, modern, I dont care about these labels. As long as there are good games on it, then play them. I have finished megaman 2 on NES the other day, and it was fun
>>739419240you can't call it retro if it has hdmi port and wifi adapter
>>739419827Retro was used interchangeably with "old school" as in "old school games" back when the term gained prominence.People were calling 16bit games "retro" and "old school" pretty much as soon as the Playstation and N64 dropped, and ROM sites were using the term by the Windows XP era.For example, Donkey Kong Country 3 was released AFTER Mario 64, but one of those is "old school" and the other is not.
Any generation (so this means Wii) with HDMI is modern
>>739419240>7th gen is retro
The difference between the 7th gen and now is nonexistent compared to jump between the 4th and the 5th.
There's nothing modern about games made after 2005.
>>739419240Of course it is, game tech and game design have stagnated since then. Any modern AAA game is just a PS3 game with more dense grass and particle spam.
>>739419240If ps3 and 360 are so different that they could be classified as being retro, tell me what changed since.-paid online-dlc faggotry-indie games blew up-wireless controllers-move from analog to digital signal-dogshit western AAA push with tons of faggotry-skyrim and GTA5 most current entries in their franchisesIts all the same shit. You have been living in a stuck culture since about 2006/7 and trying to arbitrarily divide it into multiple parts makes no sense.
>>739421098>You have been living in a stuck culture since about 2006/7 and trying to arbitrarily divide it into multiple parts makes no sense.I think this is what it all comes down to.Like as said >>739420767 and >>739419972 the was such a profound shift that to even talk about them being "the same" is retarded. How can you describe Crysis as being "a retro shooter, such as Doom 2"?
>>739421098Indie games, flash games, and mobile games were full of creativity and original gameplay back in 2007. They weren't killed by microtransaction slop yet.AAA games still had originality and weren't all running the same engine and using the same UI.If you can't feel the difference when playing games from that era you're probably just retarded.Also ESO came out after Skyrim.
>>739419240We're still in 7th gen faggotry just with fancier graphics, more shitty online practices and more kikery
Gens 0 to 4 = Old SchoolGens 5 - 7 = Pre-modernGens 8+ = ModernI am right. You can suck my dick now.
>>739419240Retro is a style.Shovelknight is retro, Metal Gear solid 2 is not
>>739421229>Indie games, flash games, and mobile games were full of creativity and original gameplay back in 2007. They weren't killed by microtransaction slop yet.>AAA games still had originality and weren't all running the same engine and using the same UI.lol
>>739421223It's just arguing semantics like we're corrupt lawyers. People still call art nouveau by its original name despite going out of style more than a hundred years ago.
If the Xbox 360 is retro, then Minecraft, Roblox, and GTAV are retro.It all becomes meaningless at that point.
>>739419240why are zoomzooms so frantic about age these days?no wonder they're going bald
there were live service PS3 games with feature parity to contemporary titles
>>739423429Even more meaningless when you consider the only recent games are remakes or ports of old games.
>>739423429By this logic Everquest isn't retro either
>>739421098Pretty much this. I know that they're fucking old and ancient, but they're still modern fucking systemsGTA 5 is the biggest culprit of that, reminder that it launched as a fucking PS360 game and people are still playing it nowadays and treating it as a modern gameUsing "retro" as a substitute of the word "old" is just plain retarded. Great, now we have two words that mean exactly the same shit. Can we make a new word for the REAL retro shit now?
>>739423610My go-to is "Old School" >>739421286 >>739419972
>>739419972Yes, because 16-bit architecture is fundamentally more retro.And while early 3D systems are retro now (barely), the 5th gen was really the first leap into what I would call the modern era. It was the standardization of 3D, and the shift toward the more modern style of game which is a long drawn out adventure, as opposed to an arcade style experience you can beat in an hour or two.Mario 64 was like Skyrim compared to Donkey Kong Country. Mario 64 was a world you lived inside of.
>>739423727A direct line can be drawn from Mario 64 to GTA3 in the same way a line can be drawn from Donkey Kong to, well, Donkey Kong Country.How do you connect, I don't know, Ristar to Mario 64 or Spyro the Dragon? You can't.
>>739419240No, I don't. Console gaming was already becoming very antiquated in the early 2000s compared to just a run-of-the-mill home computer.>>739419404They are retro though, they're fully 3D consoles that still include a vestigial d-pad and ultimately just contain a SNES controller, the 360 didn't even have motion controls. 6th experimented more with 3D games and in 7th gen only the Wii actually pushed forward to do anything, whereas everyone else regressed.They wouldn't become retro just by passing a magic age barrier though, I do agree that general design trends have calcified so much that there isn't a real difference between now and then other than the general decline in quality and progress of technology. >>739421223>How can you describe Crysis as being "a retro shooter, such as Doom 2"?That's kind of an ironic example, just look at how the series went going from Crysis 1 to Crysis 2 and 3, which were much more console focused. Crysis 1 may not be retro, but because you would have to go back to a previous style of game design, a game mimicking its design trends would be retro.
Another example would be GTA2 and GT3, which released only 2 years apart but might as well be 10 years apart.I remember a review of The Adventures of Lomax which said that it was good for people who still wanted the "old style" of platform games rather than the new style of Crash or Mario.> Adventures of Lomax (1996)>Review from 2000>"The Adventures of Lomax is a spin-off of Psygnosis popular Lemmings series, with Lomax the Lemming making his way through an entertaining, if less than innovative, side-scolling game. If you like classic side-scrolling platform games like Mario and Sonic, you'll find The Adventures of Lomax to be an enjoyable, challenging, good-looking title. If you're more interested in new ideas or technology, look elsewhere."
>>739423908> Crysis 1 to Crysis 2 and 3, which were much more console focused.That doesn't make Crysis 1 retro. That's like saying "Mario Galaxy had less exploration than Mario Sunshine, therefore Mario Sunshine is retro."
>>739424268if the rest of the industry also shifted towards that style of doing things, then why wouldn't it?Over the course of the 2000s the industry departed from mouse controlled PC games towards less noticeable crutches for controllers.
I think trying to force the (basically) 1995-2005 or so era into either "retro" or "not retro" doesn't work because it's a transition point, so it's sort of aimless, experimental, and hard to pin down quite as easily as "retro" and "modern" so people start arguing over things like waggle or HDMI.
>>739423908>Crysis 1 to Crysis 2 and 3,If crysis 2 and 3 were "console focused" because they were linear then modern style of game design is pc slop focused and console design is retro
>>739427628Did you seriously think nobody wqs going to bring up the fact that you are presenting a false dichotomy to which the very game you're referencing (Crysis 1) is a counter example of? You are a genuine retard. Skullfuck yourself with a rusty screwdriver.
>>739426608Yeah, that's fair. I kind of mentally consider the Dreamcast as the last retro console, although even the Playstation marked a change from "true retro". It was a process.Xbox 360 is fully a modern console though. All of the growing pains were over at that point, and we had for better or for worse settled on the basic blueprint for the modern games console.
Gaming has not meaningfully progressed since that generation. It's why /vr/ stops at 6th gen.
>>739421582Not an argument, soillennial
>>739430161and?
>>739430082Yes. In fact the Dreamcast can be used to prove this point that "retro ended with Gen 4" because it was, in terms of its philosophy a retro console, with a lot of arcade, and arcade-like, games as its focus, and it just wasn't where people were any more. If "retro" wasn't dead by 98, it sure was by 01.
>>739419240they are retro
GTA5 ran on PS360
>>739430082The 360 is nothing but a growing pain.Much like a young adult being shoved down the stairs while others claim that it's simply the next stage of his life, gaming has spent over a decade getting over the consequences of Microsoft's deliberate malfeasance and the industry's short-sighted bullshit.
>>739419240Dark Souls 1 is not a retro game. The Last of Us is not a retro game. The PS3 and 360 era DOES have a line where the old became what we know games as now, but it was broken in ~2010. Like, I would call MGS4 retro because it has vastly different sensibilities. Nobody would make a game like that today.
>>739419240GTA:V is a modern game, GTA:V released on the PS3 hench PS3 is a modern console
>>739431006GTA5 is a unique case. PS3 can only do OpenGL & Sonys proprietary API. 360 was DirectX 9.5. PC got DX10/DX11.
>>739431198technically anything before dx12 is legacy based now. see dxvk.
>>739424116That somewhat glosses over the core reason for the attitude - everyone outside of some very niche groups decided that 2d was old and lame now that 3d at home was available (for real this time) so past the very early days of the psx release 2d was old hat and reviewed negatively because of it.
PS3? Now that is a retro console. They just don't make'em like they used to>siiiiiiiiiiiiiip
>>739431459Sony of America literally tried to FORCE all games released on the PS1 here to have 3D. This might be a boomer myth though, as everyone has played SOTN and Mega Man X4.
>>739431459If it was just that, you'd have a point. But the mindset had changed as well. For example, Gran Turismo 1 sold more than double what every Ridge Racer game on the PS1 combined.It wasn't JUST 3D. An entire mindset had shifted at the same time.
>>739431648>as everyone has played SOTN and Mega Man X4Not sure on X4, but SOTN was notoriously rare and sold poorly despite its reputation today.
>>739419827I fully reject that austism is somehow a step in evolution because of posts like this.
>>739431735What about Marvel vs. Capcom?
>>739431857Which one?
>>739423491I think it's a general existential dread over how raped the economy is. Zoomers will never own anything and never get to retire, youth is all they've got and that's inevitably going to fade away.
>>739432003...The first one on PS1. The era we were talking about, Grandpa.
>>739432105Since I talked about Ridge Racer as a franchise I wasn't sure if you meant the one game or what. Basically no one I knew who had a Playstation had that, or really any fighting (or arcade-like) games at all. I knew someone with a Dreamcast who had MvC 1 and 2, but they were copied and not purchased.As an aside, the best selling Ridge Racer was R4, and that sold 2mil, and both Gran Turismo games sold 10mil.I just remembered as well the weird phase of remaking arcade games (Frogger, Centipede, etc.), but "modern" now. I don't know how well they sold, but I never saw them in the wild.
>>739432332And before someone says Tekken, no one I knew actually owned the games, though they were always out for rent.I guess the tone was "I'd play an arcade-style game, but I wont buy one."Of course Tekken games all went platinum so someone must have bought them.
>>739432332You've reminded me that Robotron X exists. The OST certainly is interesting in places.>https://youtu.be/Yz8TmuHMFi8?t=481
>>739432332>burnt pirate discsAverage Dreamcast owner lmao3D Frogger is actually pretty fun! So is Atari's bizzare Pong: The Next Level. I played the PC versions on my grandma's Pentium whoevenknows? Good times.
>>739432550IIRC the demo for Pong didn't have a time limit or a replay limit, and was even two player. Why would you even buy the full game after that?I just remembered a top down racing game that was on the demo that, after finishing the race, it could glitch out and you basically had the whole game, different vehicles and tracks and everything. 4/5 times it'd kick you back to the demo menu though.
>>739419240My 360 can download games while it's turned off. My series S can't.
>>739419404anything after 2000 will never be retrothat's the hard cut
>>739419240It isn't really retro if games are backwards compatible
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DOOM and Battlefield 1942 were 9 years apart
>>739435835Yup, that is why people saying the ps2 is retro are completely wrong.
>>739419683>>739421098>>739423429>>739423610>>739431006>>739431198>Muh GTA 5GTA 5 released on the absolute tail end of the system. It's not representative of most games within that generations library.
>>739437940III and IV came before V.Did you forget that V means five?
As of today, I'm 30 years old and still a /v/irgin. What games would you recommend for a wizard?
>>739437940>GTA 5 released on the absolute tail end of the systemso? it's still part of this generation, the game was designed to run on 7th gen hardware, just like TLOU>It's not representative of most games within that generations library.third-person action-adventure is not representative of that generation? really?
>>739419240>7 years war and Napoleon are modern eraYes.
>>739438462Wizardry IV
>>739419404This, it's like "modern" vs "contemporary", "modern" does not mean today
>>739435835I disagree. control schemes and camera systems got major overhauls with the shift from 6th to 7th gen, which constitutes enough of a change to consider 6th gen retro. some examples:> third person action games lacked explicit cover mechanics with the obvious exception of kill.switch> cameras were more automated and placed higher and more centrally. there was still a heritage of PS1 / N64 style camera systems where the player had little to no control. even games where you technically had full control over the camera often had weird limitations or "helpful" behaviors that got in the way of actually controlling the camera yourself> stealth was a genre!> console games released in a fully playable, finished state because gamers could not be assumed to have an internet connection. 7th gen consoles immediately assumed you had an internet connection, made you create an account and the games immediately relied on patches to function, example: Oblivion.also rendering made a big jump so 6th gen games have a unique look you don't see in newer games any more.>>739437940it quite literally is the most representative game for 7th gen possible, in terms of gameplay.>third person>open world>cover system>lots of cutscenes and shit that takes away control from the player, forces you to play cameraman for clunky NPC theaterit combines everything mainstream / big budget devs tried to push in that generation. and nothing about GTA 5 in any way takes a "next step" beyond all these conventions and goals of 7th gen AAA gaming. nothing shakes up the formula. GTA 5 is 7th gen - the game.we still get games with some or all of the gameplay DNA of GTA 5 and they are still the biggest budget games out there, therefore 7th gen game design is still contemporary. singleplayer games have not moved past 7th gen. graphics have (8th gen was a big jump up, 9th was not). UI and multiplayer designs have also changed. but singleplayer gameplay today = 7th gen never ended.
>7th gen - the gameThis would be Gears of War 1, Uncharted, Far Cry 2 or maybe Mass Effect. 7th gen games have a different template than 6th gen
>>739419240PS3/360 may be old now, but video games haven't progressed much since that generation, unless you count mobile gachas as progress. Not sure when the live service model was first done, but I guess that could be another form of progress, bur when it comes to console games things haven't changed much as far as I can tell.
>>739442285Live Service, Battle Pass, Early Access were major shifts. 7th gen is an in-between generation trying out early ideas around gameplay streamlining, matchmaking and engagement with DLC.
>>739423491Times are really damn roughAll the faggotry thats been happening in the world and the economy being shit for a good while made everyone super fucking jaded and cynical it turned a lot of retards into schizo shit stirrers that gets off of demoralizing everyone it's not a coincidence all the "uncslop" posts started happening around when the hack hit this site.As bad as 2010s were least we can made civil discussions about what's retro or not with out faggots going "hurrr hurr you're rotting oldie hur hur"
