>>739419961
Have you played the original?

>>739420165
Yes. Got every trophy but the Ur Dragon

>>739420771
And you're really impressed by DD2's ending? It's dogshit even compared to the original.

>>739420847
Did you beat DD2?

>>739419961
The unmoored land was great
The actual ending I can't enjoy even if I really really like the story and lore that went into making it happen

OP has to be mentally challenged. DD2 is just DD1 but worse in every single way. And I mean vanilla DD1 not DD:DA.

>>739420847
>MUH DRAGONS DOGMA ONE ENDING WAS PURE KINO!

Both are equally shit in the same regard but the journey there was what made it the best experience ever and I can never go back to that thrill of being thrown off a fucking cliff the first time by a pissed off cyclops.

>>739421129
>And I mean vanilla DD1
then you're as mentally challenged as he is.

>>739420847
>he doesn't know

>>739421096
I did.
>The story just stops when you reach Battahl
>Uuuuh here's Dragonforged
>Go talk to that guy, he'll say something about the Worldforged. What's with that? I dunno, it won't be mentioned again for the rest of the game
>Uuuh, here's an island with a bunch of Arisen even though the game made a big deal out of there being only one
>Oh there's supposed to be a story, go fight the dragon, gg first ending, now do that thing we tell you
>Why did you do that thing I told you? You bad person
>Uuuh gather all people in the middle before the world ends idk
>Okay now go fight the dragon again, also your pawn will exposition dump you in the most unsubtle way possible
>Good job, guess I'll die
It's just an incoherent mess.

>>739421193
I seriously doubt you ever played DD1.

>>739421129
It is worse than 1 but not in every single way. The graphics are better and there's more caves to explore.

>>739421375
>muh graphixxx
>caves that contain nothing
shut up retard

>>739421292
>The story just stops when you reach Battahl
Same as DD1.
>the ravings of an upjumped zealot makes for tedious listenings
>come fight me dude

>>739419961
>Raped dmc and turned it into a mindless juggleslop
>Cry and beg for more money so he can make his dreamslop
>His dreamslop flooped and hated by everyone
>Some random dude came and turned this 3/10 shit into a decent 7/10 game with a single dlc
Capcom should've fired shitsuno ages ago

>>739421496
there is no battahl in dd1 you stupid fucking faggot

>>739421523
I don't care if you had breakfast this morning dumbass.
kill yourself.

>>739421546
I hope you get raped by a nigger today.

>>739421523
>he doesn't know

>>739421292
The story literally follows beat for beat what happens in Dragons Dogma. The second it switches up is when you break the cycle. The whole point is to break it. The unmoored world is the Seneschal fucking you up for choosing to break it. The same shit happens in Dragons Dogma with the Everfall. All that segment is is a celestial cunt trying to make you follow along in his game. You save everyone and he's desperately trying to make you see the futility of it.

>>739421496
Sure, but it does the bare minimum of effort to put the pieces together. Apart from filler busywork, DD1's story makes sense. DD2 just does whatever the writer feels like at the moment.

>>739421597
>it's the same map hurr durr
no fucking kill yourself

>>739421627
>throwing a baby temper tantrum
dude you suck

>>739419961
Yeah I'm glad I didn't listen to /v/ on this one. I played through the game and I had a blast™ and I would have missed all that if I listened to these crying bitches who don't even like video games.

>>739421621
>DD1's story makes sense
>here's a hole in the ground go jump into it dumbass

>>739421660
>I'm a retard
Nobody asked stop posting in threads about games you know nothing about.

>>739421610
I don't know why I typed all that. You wont read it.
"The delightful and ever-novel pleasure of a useless occupation"

>>739421610
No it doesn't.
>You aren't given a chance to replace the Senechal after beating the dragon
>Godsbaning yourself before you become Senechal breaks the world because ???
>In true ending the Senechal dies but the world continues as normal because ???
DD2 recklessly retcons a lot of stuff. And anyway it's not 100% clear whether godsbaning yourself in DD1's ending breaks the cycle.

This isn't really a sequel so much as it is a remake.
Did Itsuno have anything to do with DMC or was he just the head of Devil May Cry? Because that's the sort of comparison I think you can make

>>739421776
>DD2 recklessly retcons a lot of stuff
Such as?

>>739421686
DD2 is no better in this regard. I'm talking about the main story beats, not useless legwork.
>Why did you become Arisen?
>Why is there a dragon?
>Why does the Arisen get all the cool stuff to fight the dragon?
>Why does the world still turn to shit after beating the dragon?
The Senechal does put all of this into a coherent whole. Good luck doing that in DD2. It has fucking Brine as the big bad.

>>739421776
>And anyway it's not 100% clear whether godsbaning yourself in DD1's ending breaks the cycle.
Its almost as if it doesn't and DD2 exists as the final word. Taking the Godsbane and turning it on yourself wasn't part of the cycle. The Arisen either kills the dragon or sacrifices someone to rule over the land. By taking yourself out it destroys the dogma entirely. Its actually not that deep nor hard to understand.

>>739421838
The dragon being sent to find a new Senechal
The world not being destroyed if you kill the dragon but reject becoming a Senechal
The world going to shit in preparation of you meeting the Senechal after beating the dragon
The Senechal having a say in the world being destroyed or not in the first place
There having to be a Senechal for the world to exist

>>739421881
>It has fucking Brine as the big bad.
The brine is a representation of the worldforged. How could the game make it any clearer to you?
>Why did you become Arisen?
Worldforged will and a representation of the cycle.
>Why is there a dragon?
The cycle.
>Why does the Arisen get all the cool stuff to fight the dragon?
Because you bought that shit with gold.
>Why does the world still turn to shit after beating the dragon?
It doesn't? You sit on the throne and live happily ever after :^)

>>739421980
That's not how DD1 works you dipshit. It's not supposed to end with you being crowned king, did you even pay attention to the first game?

>>739421881
The Brine is not the big bad. What the fuck game did you play?
DD2 explains all this shit the same as DD1 because DD2 is a meta commemtary on DD1. The dragon literally takes you to the same area you fight Grigori in the first game.
>hey this all familiar isn't it? Can't you see this battlle has been playing out the same way for generations?
You say the Dragonforged comes out of nowhere in this game thats because it's expected. It doesn't explain itself on purpose. It follows these beats right up until you decide to go off the path

>>739422109
So like I said, it's whatever the writer feels like at the moment.
>Haha X happens because the Worldforged wants it to :)

>>739422119
No one said that was the ending? I thought you were reffering to the Arisen being reborn

>>739422150
>It doesn't explain itself on purpose. It follows these beats right up until you decide to go off the path
Great. I don't give a shit. A game that breaks all conventions and leaves everything unsaid for the sake of it is indistinguishable from a writer's diarrhea.

>>739422169
How is this a critique of anything?
Yeah retard. Things happens because that's how they're written.

>>739422048
Its called the DRAGONS dogma not the Senaschal's dogma you dreadful retard

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>>739421372
*dumps my load down your throat*

>>739419961
I've only beaten it once. What was the true ending, stabby time? I hope so or I got the fake ending

>>739422229
Because the reader expects the story to make sense. DD1's story made sense, the Senechal is bound by some limitations and the story follows some logic you can follow and understand. The moment your story goes into "everything happens because the God figure wills it to" is the moment the reader stops giving a shit. What's the point of following the story and wondering what's next when it's just a directionless blob of "and now this happens"?

>>739422286
*gulps it down and asks for more before calling you daddy*

>>739419961
>DLC never ever
wtf Capcom idc about Resident Leon. Make some actual content for once

>>739422334
>What's the point of following the story and wondering what's next when it's just a directionless blob of "and now this happens"?
But that describes DD1 perfectly.

>>739422286
but did you PLAY it?

>>739422392
No it doesn't. I can describe how the world in DD1 works and why things happen the way they do, without "a wizard did it" handwaving. The same is impossible for DD2.

>>739422286
wow bet you found that in the bargain bin, you ever open it?

>>739422225
You're a fucking rude dude. I'm going to explain this once more.
>you get the true ending of Dragons Dogma
>its sort of left open unclear if the cycle is broken
>you start Dragons Dogma 2
>the paint is new but the model is the same
>you go through it expecting it to end the same way
>but it doesn't
>the Pathfinder taunts you telling you to just continue the cycle
>even the dragon agrees the cycle is bullshit so you both die together
>this breaks the link in the chain and literally flips the world on its head
>you have 6 in game days to gather everything in the world before they wipe it all out and restart the cycle
>As the NEW new Grigori is born you kill it in the making
>pawn has developed free will thus cementing the cycle is completely destroyed
>final scene is everyone you saved moving on with their lives

>>739422286
You need to clean your monitor you disgusting wretch

>>739422309
True ending is the most delayed title drop you've ever seen

>>739421686
Did i miss something? Doesn't jumping down the hole cause you to become the dragon that gets shat out in the sky?

>>739422486
Then you didn't pay attention to the story.
The seneschal is the caretaker, but part of the cycle.
There's a cycle outside of the seneschal. What could now be theorized, due to DD2, to be the worldforged domain.
Becoming the seneschal is just part of yet another cycle.

>>739422487
No. I bought it at gamestop when it was new
Or rather I went there to preorder Street Fighter X Tekken (bit of a mistake) and got talked into preordering it by the clerk along with the bradygames strategy guide.

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>>739422504
You're headcanoning the lot of it.
>you go through it expecting it to end the same way
Speak for yourself.
>the Pathfinder taunts you telling you to just continue the cycle
No he doesn't, he very explicitly eggs you on to break it then throws a bitch fit that you did.
>even the dragon agrees the cycle is bullshit so you both die together
Which somewhat retcons DD1, where it's explicitly stated that dragons have nearly zero free will and have to participate in the cycle.
>this breaks the link in the chain and literally flips the world on its head
Headcanon. There's no good reason by DD1 logic why an Arisen offing himself while fighting the dragon would destroy the world. There's nothing stopping the Senechal from just making another dragon and more Arisen.
>you have 6 in game days to gather everything in the world before they wipe it all out and restart the cycle
"Everything in the world" being a few dozen people from Vernworth and Battahl. It's a gameplay contrivance and there's no justification why it would "restart" anything. The ghost dude just goes with a vague hunch.
>As the NEW new Grigori is born you kill it in the making
Headcanon.
>pawn has developed free will thus cementing the cycle is completely destroyed
Except DD1 already canonizes pawns gradually receiving free will from their Arisen, so it doesn't mean shit.
>final scene is everyone you saved moving on with their lives
Which again has nothing to do with how DD1 sets up the world. It has no "pathfinder" or any godlike entities destroying and remaking the world or breaking the cycle on their own, ffs the core revelation of DD1 is that nobody knows if there's a higher deity out there and "god" is just a caretaker. DD2 maybe works as a story if you're myopic and never played DD1, but as a continuation of DD1 it's atrocious.

>>739422690
The everfall does not end with you becoming anything.
It's just kinda there as a display of endless cycles.

It's been a while, but I seem to recall you get shat out as a dragon if you get bested by the seneschal - or the "road" to him.

>>739422432
No I just bought it to look super cool on 4chan nearly 20 years later when some cry baby cant win an argument in a thread about a video game.

>>739422768
Sure buddy, now add multiple dimensions and time travel and you got yourself a banging story

>>739422984
>he very explicitly eggs you on to break it then throws a bitch fit that you did.
No he fucking doesn't you humongous pleb.
Imagine being unable to follow along with a simple plot like Dragon's Dogma.

He eggs you on to slay the dragon so you can continue the cycle forever.

>>739421776
>whether godsbaning yourself in DD1's ending breaks the cycle.
it obviously doesn't. Savan used the godsbane before you, hence why he pulls it out of his chest
The blade simply kills your mortal body, allowing your pawn to live your life. That's why Savan wants you to stab yourself, not because he goes
>ye you're my chosen successor and all but you can just, like, not do it with this sword and leave the world a godless realm lmao
that wouldn't make any sense

>>739423001
Good thinking anon. That ought to shut him up.

>>739423036
>Yes, Arisen, good job killing the dragon and all
>But don't you feel incomplete haha, wink wink? Hey why don't you try again from this specific point, for no reason at all you're totally supposed to make the same choice you did before haha :)
He does egg you on you autist.

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>>739423051
Fuck you I'm bored and I wanna argue on the internet for the next 40 minutes until my supper gets out of the oven.

>>739423129
That is literally a gameplay aspect and not actual canon.
He's there so that a retard-player doesn't have to replay the whole fucking game to reach that point again so he can sudoku.
>autist
I love irony like this.

>>739423129
He watches the Arisen make the cycle-breaking choice. Then he tells him if The Arisen chooses this path he'll just destroy the world and the cycle will continue with a new Arisen and Dragon. As the Arisen progresses through the unmoored world the Pathfinder isn't goading him so much as he's commenting on the danger the Arisen is putting everyone in.

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>>739422984
>No he doesn't, he very explicitly eggs you on to break it then throws a bitch fit that you did.
Even when he sends you back he, in no uncertain terms, just says "go make this choice again"
You weren't supposed to actually choose an option that leads out

>>739423282
You're cherrypicking pieces of the game to fit your headcanon. If DD1 didn't need retard herders, neither should DD2.

>>739423345
You are, because that's where the rest of the game is. Fuck you if SOTL gets this treatment then so should this game.

>>739423351
The only one cherrypicking here is you.
DD1 had retard herders as well.
If you take the dragon's bargain you get a fade to black and a retry at point of choosing.

It sucks the enemy types in this were so underwhelming. Especially because the ones that were added were cool as shit.
>Gigantus
>Medusa
>Sphinx
>The Leech
>The Unicorn
Almost makes up for the lack of BBI monsters like Gazer and Hydra

>>739423531
Difference is, the dragon doesn't throw a fit when you deign to fight him.

>>739423571
Neither dragon throws a fit.

>>739423596
But the Senechal does in DD2.

>>739423668
Then don't yap about dragons retard.

What's the "le epic ending" to DD2 then? I stopped playing the game 10 hours in and I keep seeing something about "le epic ending"

>>739423773
I'm not you retard, go back to elementary and retake reading comprehension.
>Senechal eggs you on to break the cycle then throws a bitchfit when you do
>Nuh-uh he doesn't
>Yes he does
>Nuh-uh it's just gameplay contrivance
>No it's not, DD1 didn't have them
>Nuh-uh it did, Grigori's choice had it
>But Grigori didn't throw a bitch fit when you took the obvious bad ending
>DD2 dragon also didn't throw a bitch fit :)
Is it so hard to follow 4 posts?

>>739423406
>You are
From a gameplay perspective, not from a narrative one
You were saying that he was egging you on, I'm correcting that. If you disagree, provide your own proof.
Literally every foot of the journey is him telling you to go kill the dragon and become Sovarn.

And fuck it, since I'm here
>>739423351
>didn't need retard herders
Because everybody was doing their job. Rothais (the actual Seneschal in DD2) stopped doing his job and actively started not doing his job. And what's more, any arisen that gets sent to replace him gets their soul completely fucking obliterated (turns into that shit that powers the godsway) which means we also don't have anymore dragons in that way.

>>739423963
I can also open the wiki and see what the autists headcanoned up, doesn't make the game any less shit.

Bro fuck this website this isn't the /v/ i grew up with.

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>>739424102
>wiki
I'm using shit directly from the game.
Post where Pathfinder tells you to go kill yourself and the dragon.
There's only 2 minutes of lines in that scene in the ending. It should be easy.

>>739424149
How about the fact that he gives you the choice at all, *after* you already did all you were supposed to? You do understand that people can imply things without explicitly saying what they want, right? You're not an autist, right?

>>739424242
>You do understand that people can imply things without explicitly saying what they want, right?
You do understand that people can directly state what they want, right? Does it not count unless it fits your narrative?
Are you an autist?

>>739424310
You're asking that question about a sequel to a game where 90% percent of it is the dragon not giving you a straightforward answer as to what he wants? Really?

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>>739424454
The dragon not giving you straight forward answers
Except for when the dragon is extremely straight forward. Which is literally every single time it speaks up to and including when you're on the ending where you actually slay it properly.
But I'm assuming none of this counts because all of this shit flew over your head. I shall not be wasting any more time here.

>>739424570
>SEQUEL TO a game where
You're the retard here. Go back to first grade.

>>739424653
Heh. A typo. You sure showed him babe

>>739424693
He's bringing up DD2 dragon's lines when I was talking about Grigori. It's a reading comprehension issue.

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I'm... not feeling it bros... no blast is being had here

>>739423925
Grigori =/= Worldforged dumbass.

>>739424946
So what? I'm talking about the mechanism. DD1 does not try to guilt trip you when you pick the obvious intended route. DD2 does.

>>739425016
>So what?
I can't read your mind dumbass. Be specific.

So when you say "dragon" you mean the worldforged, which is only shown to be a (corrupted) dragon at the very end. Not the grigori equivalent of DD2 which you slay as part of your charge.

Man you fags are so tiresome to deal with, you'll be intentionally obtuse then use it as a point when your obtuseness causes confusion.

>>739419961
I know the DDDA Senechal "fight" was barely a fight but at the very least it feels like the real final confrontation of the whole game. I hate that DD2 don't have anything like that and it's just another variation of "climb on the dragons' back"

>>739425139
No you dipshit, I'm quoting >>739423773. I'll lay it out extra obvious just for you.
>Faggot says that the Worldforged wants you to continue the "slay the dragon, be the king" cycle
>I respond saying that he obviously doesn't when he offers to take you back to the moment where you can break the cycle
>Faggot says nuh uh he doesn't because he doesn't say that out loud
>I say that he does, because why would he offer you a choice after all is said and done
>Faggot says nuh uh, it's just a gameplay thing to guide retards, it's not part of the story
>I point out DD1 doesn't have such guardrails for retards
>Faggot says nuh uh, Grigori has a guardrail when you take the deal
>I say that this is obviously a bad ending choice and DD1 at least doesn't have a character lambasting you for picking the choice it wants you to pick
>Faggot suddenly thinks I'm talking about DD2's dragon and not the Worldforged and goes "but DD2 dragon doesn't bitch at you :)"
Was this digestible enough for you?

>>739425434
Because you're calling the fucking worldforged a dragon you massive retard.

Refer to >>739425139
>Man you fags are so tiresome to deal with, you'll be intentionally obtuse then use it as a point when your obtuseness causes confusion.

>>739425526
How am I calling the Worldforged a dragon you fuckwit? The Worldforged is the Obi-Wan wannabe, I know that. I'm talking specifically about 2 scenes: the one where he offers you to go back to fight the dragon again, and the one immediately after where he bitches at you for godsbaning yourself. Where exactly am I mistaking him for the dragon?

>>739425645
Right here >>739423571
>Difference is, the dragon doesn't throw a fit when you deign to fight him.

>>739425814
Which is in response to >>739423531
>DD1 had retard herders as well.
>If you take the dragon's bargain you get a fade to black and a retry at point of choosing.
Is it really so hard to figure out which dragon "the dragon" refers to here?

>>739424860
Just wait. It'll click. The same shit happened to me when I played the first one. I was riding high of Shadow of the Colossus and heard DD was similar. Tried it and it wasn't nearly as good. I tried it again a year after Dark Arisen came out and I was feeling it. Same thing happens with this game. Good luck buddy

>>739421668
very subtle post, capcom bootlicker

>>739419961
Anybody on /v/ who doesn't like DD2 is just a SyntheticMan fan or SyntheticMan himself and neither play video games.
I don't know why that white nigger even has an opinion about anything because he sucks bad at video games.

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>>739419961
Booots on an endless
Virgin white canvas
I come to my senses
On a cold blue morning

Even though it didn't give me the same highs as the first, I still bawled like a baby during the credits weirdly

>>739426385
/v/ also likes to fellate DarksydePhil who is also a Chud in many ways.

>>739427014
>Spoiler
same bro. Once the credits started rolling and seeing all the faces I came across on the adventure, I definitely felt something. Like, yeah it wasn't the game I'd hoped it to be, but it still made me care

>>739424570
>thine heart and thy life
should be "thy" for both, you don't say "an heart", it's always "a heart", thy/thine follows the same rule

I'm a fucking ESL and still know that much, can't wait until all the localizers are replaced with LLM's

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why

>pawn quest reward is 5 all-heals for a flower bouquet
>no hires the past week
It's fucking over.

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>>739419961
>nigger's nogma 2
KEK

>>739419961
I quit after one of my pawns got sick and killed a bunch of npcs. apparently the game wanted me to closely check the eyes of every pawn ... quite regularly.
cant think of a worse mechanic in any game I have ever played

>>739432217
level?

>>739433952
Almost 200.

>>739419961
sorry shill but no loli no buy simple as

>>739426385
DD2 sucks, man. I don't know who you're talking about, but whatever makes you cope better with liking a piece of shit game.
Instead of posting here whining, couldn't you be fighting goblins in DD2, or maybe evnlen doing an epic stealth quest for Brant?

>>739434773
For all the beef the main quest gets, the "stealth" has to be the worst part of the game. It's like equating a child's piano mashing to Vivaldi.