>because ArenaNet studio lead doesn't want to "keep people hostage"An MMO that respects your time... is this it bros? Is this the one we're waiting for..
Guild Wars 2 microtransactions
>>740643765i prefer ff14
40+ year old bros, this is definitely the one. It's going to make me feel just like I used to back when I was 18 playing an MMO for the first time. We're finally going home...
>>740643765I'm sick of MMORPGs that want to respect my time, I want an MMO that wastes my time
>>740644546Guild Wars 2 definitely does that
How did the French manage to make the best MMORPG of 2026?
I've always wanted to have the exaggerated swagger of a black teen, and thanks to Guild Wars 3™ and its Freedom Combat Movement Technology i can achieve that.
>>740643765>gaynetlollmao
>>740643765how do they plan to make money
troon-coded game
>>740645657LOTS of microtransactions
>>740645657Pay for convenience of course :^_
>>740644431Gamer dads unite! Can't wait to go back to nostalgia. I'm sure they will deliver and terminally online chuds will seethe at it like no tomorrow. I can picture trannies going nuts that the grind is not lifelong.
>>740645657the usual quality-of-life purchases >>740644052and then a cash shop full of cosmetics
>>740643765What are the pillars of this experience? Is this even confirmed to be an MMORPG?
>>740643765>is this it bros? Is this the one we're waiting for..GW 1 and 2 have been around the whole time.
>>740644052one of NCSoft's favorite pasttimesthey even did it in City of Heroes towards the end turning it freemium I'll never forgive them
>>740643765And yet we're kept hostage to their woke ideologies and bad writing
>>740643765all guild wars games were shit. this will be no different.
>new Guild War on PS5 >new Total War on console>rumors swirling that GTA VI might just skip PC entirely and focus on getting it on Switch 2what the fuck
>>740645837is that a gw3 screenshot? to be desu it looks like it came out 10 years ago
>>740646129Check this coping faggot out; all mad that his monthly wow cuck fee is going up in flames. Bet he blasted his life savings on pretty pixel costumes too, LOL!
>>740643765So just like every MMO then, including GW2Battlepasses are for concordlikes
>>740646278>he doesn't know
>>740646220that's GW2 which came out 15 years ago
>>740646016>City of Heroes microtransactionand this is why homecoming is the best thing to happen to CoH. No of that freemium bullshit
the bag slots is what reallly hits with GW. They even drag their feet every time people ask for material/currency storage, often waiting years for it to actually go in effect. But besides MTX, there's also the Auction House. Though you never buy with Gems, if some lucklet managed to get a .001% drop of the precursor legendary you need, thus saving months of grind, you could always just buy gems, convert them to gold and buy it. I hope they don't fuck up this time with the random luckly drops. Especially early on, if you got a lucky precursor drop you were set for a long time.
>>740645657Besides convenience in the form of microtransactions (which is how Lord of the rings mmo and the first D&D mmo are surviving) Arenanet sells expansions separetly just like Elder scrolls MMO, meanwhile WoW and ff14 you need a suscription but if you are a late adopter buying a new expansion includes all the previous ones
GW2 died for this
>>740646604Your mmo is irrelevant. That is why it died so its server space can go to a superior Guild Wars 2.
>>740648239hopefully GW3 dies along with it as well
>>740645657The game is banned in my country just like all gachaslop.Connect the dots.
>>740645657gw2 also has lootboxes
>>740645657by selling the game
Guild Wars 2 must actually be doing pretty well if they are committing to a third game.
>>740650387guild wars 2 sucks...
>>740650445Clearly a lot of people do not share that sentiment if Anet has the resources and confidence to go ahead with another installment.
>>740643765i dont know how much i trust them on this,i remember they said at launch of gw2 any dyes you unlock would be available between all characters only to have it bind on use per character they did eventually change it but it took a while
>>740650387More like the funds are drying up so they need a reset by releasing another game
>>740650649>Funds are drying up, lads. What do we do?>Spend hundreds of millions of dollars creating a new game!>Genius!
>GW was perfect >GW2 was awful>GW3 looks straight ass
>>740650387>dedicated fanbase that buys every expansion>said fanbase also regularly buys cosmetics from the cash shop that gets weekly updates>has an active playerbase from all the dailies, weeklies, fomo events, etc.It pretty much follows in Destiny 2's footsteps but without having to deal with sunsetting.
Guild Wars 2 is the only good MMO. WoW went to shit and made all the good content obsolete. FF14 was was bad from the start. Elder Scrolls was never good, even the single player games.>>740650649GW2 has made basically the same money on average for 10 years and is increasing recently
>>740644052Lmao how do people play games that have this shit.
GW1bros, are we going home?
>>740648239Likely it will be more like suspended animation. They'll keep servers running, maybe even do some small updates. Ofc a change of owner or company policy might always change that in the future.GW3 will launch and drain people from GW1 and 2. If the launch is anything like GW2 the game will be barebones at first and some people will return to the earlier games untill GW3 gets updated again.
>>740650836it's F2Ponce people dedicate enough time into a game like that, they'll justify rewarding the developers by getting some convenient items, then it'll be some cosmetics, and finally rolling on lootboxes
>>740650984Colin said in the IGN interview that GW and GW2 aren't going anywhere and will be supported "long into the future", whatever that means.
>>740650836As opposed to... a sub MMO that holds your entire account hostage? If you spend $15 a month on GW2 your account would have basically everything you could want after like a year
>>740650956it's actually the 'play solo' part that hits more home to GW1 for me. if i can get AI companions in my party instead of retarded normies that are worse than NPCs in many regards i am totally sold on GW3
hopefully they will add controller support for gw2 soon
>Takes place thousands of years before GW2>Meaning that the tech level will be swords and sorcery again, so no engineerHard pass
>>740650956gonna take a lot more than that to convince me
>>740651145i am now sold
>>740651058being an action MMO, I think the open world will be more balanced for solo play, then you party up for the usual dungeon, raid, world bosses, etckinda like a mid-life korean MMO
>>740651034>Colin saidYeah sure, believe what a snakeoil merchant would say. you haven't learn shit when he lies about EVERYTHING he says during GW2.
>>740650387No they aren't. They release 2 bikini set after 12 years of not existing ingame because it hurt SJW dev's feeling. This is an actual reason. They wanted money, and money fast for 3. and it works.
>>740651275gw1 is active, profitable, and requires very little server infrastructure due to how it was written, it's not going anywherei don't care about gw2
>>740651317only 2?
>>740644546Then OSRS is for you
>>740651317>Bikini sets made enough money to develop a fully fledged MMORPG
>>740645657At first game is sold at full price. Then year in it will become free to play and fill up with micro shit.
>>740651380That how TERA went from Pay to F2P.
>>740643765You think they'll add Charr as a separate race you have to pay for? They're the biggest paypigs for GW2.
>>740643765>respect my time>an MMOI want an mmo to NOT respect my time and demand I turn it into a second job. I hate this casual shit
>>740651358Im aware and theyre going full all in on Mobile. But that is only after decades of neglect. Colin can honestly go fuck himself.
>>740651405And TERA is now dead, whereas GW2 is doing just fine. It's making money from sources other than gooner outfits.
>>740651434With rise of survival grafting games. Kinda nuts there isn't second comming of Wurm Online.
>>740650568like i give a shit... game sucks
>>740643765idk much about GW2 but I did look through the classesbut how come the>fast melee slashy guyis part of the tank class?
Those fucking respect-my-time casual niggers sentenced the death of MMOs
>>740651434I wanted thisAnd then I played Lost ArkI liedRESPECT MY TIME PLEASE
>>740651540gw2 doesnt have classes just different flavors of mashing the buttons and moving out of the red idiot circle
>>740651540literally anything can be a tank. just give it damage reduction of some sort (flat % or high dodge or block or whatever) and an innate bonus to threat generation. a mage can be a tank if they gave it those two passive tweaks. tanks are a braindead class
>>740651482The initial part where they made tons of money, anon. Afterward. lots of shit happens, like the company split to make PUBG, while the other part of the company deliberately kill TERA to release another MMO that fail. GW2 wasted a fuck ton of money on nothing and it gotten to a point where NCsoft had to step in and fire most of the staffs for doing jack shit.
i want a game that suffocates my time with its fat meaty thighs and forces me to gargle its cum
>>740651573Well I should put in a caveat that it shouldn't be a korean MMO. It needs to be an actual game. the only one that I liked was BDO
>you don't have to pay for battel pass>you don't have to pay for subscriptionit will have mtx and/or gachano thx
>>740651540>fast melee slashy guyThere is no fast melee slashy guy, almost(?) every class can equip a sword and eclvery class has at least 3 melee weapons>is part of the tank class?There is no tank class, there are no tanks at all outside of very specific content
>>740651586Tank should be build. Not a class.
>>740651317I hope that means there will be sexy gear in GW3 right from the start
>>740651624BDO is just a clicker game with cinematic combat (read: the combat is watching a cinematic)
>>740651716it was just a fun exploration game with a good character creator and plenty of quest lines to go through. I certainly didnt like it for its combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTiwKvp348>playing woke wars
>>740651775Yes
>>740643765ANet promised a lot during GW2's reveal and they failed or backtracked most of that. Then the game went F2P after I bought it at full price and had to buy the expansions on top. Then they started mass-releading expansions and powercreeping all the base game and early expansion classes and weaponsI'm never trusting ANet againFrankly I think I'm going to pick up ESO next time I'm in a MMO mood
>>740650836it's either this or the game costs $200 pick your poison you homeless ass fucking consumers>not P2W>not gambling>not canceralso don't buy these nigger tranny games but damn you fucking golem will find a reason to whine about anything you deserve nothing but valve and chink gacha
I just want an MMORPG with a sub.Nothing else: no microstransactions of ANY kind (cosmetics, bank space, better mounts, energy), no battle passes, no p2w (or p2convenience - I have to spell it out because some retards think it's not p2w, no DLC content).JUST a FUCKING sub, even if I have to pay $30 a month.Where everyone I see also playing the game plays the same fucking CONTENT I have and can achieve the same things I can without spending real life money.PLEASE.FUCK.
>>740651197that doesn't sound like it is GW1 at all or being truly solo-able. when i hear they mean you can play solo that means everything like in GW1, even the end game dungeons
>>740652340osrs :^)
>>740652443neither does "rich action-combat" that they wrote themselves
>>740645657same way 2 has, I guess
>>740651043As opposed to not eating shit. Who brought up subscribtions?
>>740651560It was bound to happen though. The average person who played MMOs back in their prime simply grew up and barely has as much time anymore so devs either had to compromise or go under. Add all the ADHD instant gratification zoomers into the mix nowadays and you have a recipe for disaster. MMOs started to lose their soul the second dungeon-/duty finders got introduced to automate grouping processes and forego social interaction.
>>740643765>instead you can pay to get increased drop rates, gear or space in inventory/gear. dont forget your $400 mount!Woo
>>740652308I don't play shitty games that have me pay for inventory space. Get better taste or keep coping playing shit.
>>740652516exactly so being action combat oriented doesn't preclude something like AI companions which some people are so against for some reason. in fact having action combat and AI companions would combine things about GW1 and GW2 and make it a totally different game, so I don't why we that is not a possibility too
All MMOs suffer the same issue of having to pander to the same neet zombies with 20+ years of experience who rush to endgame while minmaxing the fun out of equation and demanding the same regurgitated garbage from every game. No one else will touch MMOs with a stick so we're doomed for an eternity of mediocre WoW clones with a community that smells as bad as you imagine.
>>740652486Which part of "only sub" didn't you get? That means NO FREE ACCOUNTS either, because if you have FREE ones the sub ones automatically become PREMIUM ones.What I want is basically 2006 era WoW. B2P + sub is something I can come to terms with.
>>740652848>because if you have FREE ones the sub ones automatically become PREMIUM oneswtf does this even mean retard? the free to play accounts in osrs are only limited to like 5% of the map and content. you can't even interact with objects or areas used by sub accounts.lol fucking retard
>>740652654I guess you're right that no action combat MMO has implemented AI companions but it's probably because they found it easier to just balance for solo play and leave group play to matchmaking. Even GW2 did this long ago with celesial stats for gear and began to include matchmaking for fractals and raids only recently.Though I would want classes to be specialized again. I don't want GW2's everyone can heal/sustain button again.
What an absolute load of horseshit >$10-15/month subscription to get all the game content including cosmetics is "holding people hostage" >A huge item mall full of $20+ mounts, outfits, fuckloads of other cosmetics, boosters, lootboxes, keys for lootboxes etc.. is somehow fine FOr people constantly worried about being "cucked" or "jewed" , letting an entire industry normalize the idea that you should pay extra for cosmetics, where each single outfit or mount or whatever the fuck is more than we used to pay for an entire month of access to the game, is one of the biggest swindles propagated on the player. Somehow "cosmetic" content is now allowed for surcharge, because its somehow both 'not important" yet obviously important enough that devs think they can support the game by charging for it; complete doublespeak. Its second only to the atrocity that is the mobile freemium and gacha monetization style in terms of how much it shits on your wallet and time. They can go right to hell for this stuff.
>>740650836Just keep playing wow for 15 shekels a month, faggot
>>740643765people need to take one look at gw2's monetization before they take this title at face value
>>740653434Paying a monthly subscription means every second you aren't playing is wasted. Every second you're reading lore instead of getting a gameplay accomplishment is wasted. Every second your friends are talking in town without queueing up next content is wasted. Subs are in fact holding many players hostage. Gachaslop and cosmetic shops are also dogshit. Both statements can be true.
TOR wonGuildenberg crashed and burned
>>740643765>market to oldfag mmorpg crowd>make the game look like ghostcrawlers failed mmo meets fortnite>has some nigger front and center riding a chicken>"t-this will sell our game!"no. not even close. the trailer alone is what made me from being indifferent to actually disliking the game already. nothing will make me want to play it, simply because it looks ugly as fuck.
>>740643765Okay and how many furry, lesbian and trans NPCs will there be?
>>740643765Does it have an offline to keep playing if the servers go down?
>>740653764you'll be long dead by the time that happens
>>740653541>Paying a monthly subscription means every second you aren't playing is wastedit would have some weight if a subscription wasnt the price of two beers or a burger. otherwise arguing in this kind of manner over 10 bucks a month is just making you look like an absolute retard. i guess you are a guild wars player.
>>740653481nobody said anything about wow
>>740643765>Is this the one we're waiting for..Fuck no. There's always a catch with "free" mmos, have you learned nothing?
>>740653821Nice cope I not buying it then
>>740653541That just isn't accurate. A flat monthly subscription, especially an oldfag one where there's no item mall, MTX or other ancillary faggotry atop it, is not predicated on playing every second of the day for it to be a good value. In fact, its often one of the cheapest entertainment / hobbies around. With average subs at $10-15 , or even if we doubled it it would be a fantastic value vs many other forms of entertainment . Atop it, the real important thing is tthere is an uppper bound to how much you spend, as compared to item mall, lootbox, gacha, etc... where you can easily spend the equivalent of a complete month's access on a single item. Any true persistent MMO world needs to have consistent monetization and subscriptions (these days, an optional one along with a more limited single title purchase or F2P mode) are the most viable option to not force the game to depend on trying to rook certain players into paying a fortune to make up for others that pay little to nothing, and punishing people who enjoy certain parts of the MMO experience (ie cosmetics) as opposed to others. Of course, greedy corporate behemoths have realized that the younger generation doesn't resist anymore and will open their wallet for almost anything normalizing paying $20+ for a single skin, so they figure its easy to just allow those people to throw money into a pit rather than cultivate a quality title where people keep subscribed
Who the fuck wants to play GW3 after GW2 went from "flawed but some great ideas" to "total fucking shit" in record time?
>>740644546Games "respecting your time" is literally how gaming became soulless. Devs are scared to demand things of their players and it ruined everything.
>>740654159Who wants it after GW2 shit on the best parts of GW1 to just be a different flavor of FF14
this game is gonna be gay and wimpy as fuck. Spyro skylanders is gonna be edgy in comparison.
>>740654217fucking true
>>740654217>>740654253GW2 doesn't even respect your time, and now all the faggots that grinding those legendary are fucked.
>>740646943>if some lucklet managed to get a .001% drop of the precursor legendary you need, thus saving months of grindgen 1 precursor values have fallen off a cliffthey're still rare as fuck but you can make more money in an hour by playing the game than you get from selling a precursor for reference, 30 gold per hour is pretty doable without tryharding, and the weapons that cost over 100 gold here don't drop, you have to craft them if you want to sell themonly the cheap ones can drop from anywhere
>>740654459I honestly fucking hate this. I remember that first event where everyone zerg giant crabs and everyone got a reward. Most of the people have precursors. I got a shitty gold weapon that does jack shit. It pisses me off to no end even to this day.
it's a new mmo where I can make John Guildwars and hit shit with a sword, so I'm downquestion is how long I will be able to stomach everything else
>>740654217I don't think that's accurate really - respecting your time is fine, but that doesn't mean that games can't require effort, difficulty etc. There's a big difference between depth, difficulty, scope and scale of the world etc.. and exploitative tedium, content designed specifically to make a small percentage (whales, game-as-a-job etc) of exclusionists happy etc. When you don't respect people's time (or anything else) that's how you end up with a WildStar catastrophe
>every other game ever>you can toggle or get barefeet>Guild Wars 2>faggot dev has a bare foot fetish that he walk around work in barefeet>fucker put it as a 0.000000000000001% drop
>>740643765If Anet respects my time, why are they launching a new MMO and dumpstering the years of grinding and mtx purchases of GW2 players?
I wonder if they will have another HoM type of deal
>>740651660Selecting a class is part of the build making process DOE>No my wizard should be a tankFuck you
>>740653073>lol fucking retardAnon I....
>>740644052The extra Bank/bag slots and teleport is dirty as fuck, this is just pay to win.
>>740643765MMOs that "Respect your time" is just zoomer speak for "We will give you everything within a couple of hours."Aka not even an MMO.Look at XIV right now that "respects your time" but the game is fucking dead after patch week.
elementalist is cooler when you're actually picking 1 or 2 elements instead of just using all of them
>>740655820Retarded devs don't understand that in MMORPGs "wasting time" is the name of the game. The more you have to work to achieve something the more dopamin will get released into your body when you finally get it.Long-term investment is the core of what MMORPGs are about. The problem is when you know the only reason you have to work so hard is because some cunt is punishing you for not spending more "convenience" money and/or when the result of your hard work is SHIT that doesn't matter to anyone anwywhere.
>>740651587If a game is struggling, investors will not greenlight a fucking sequel. You are coping hard.
no sub = no confidence
>>740656165That would be the case if it was gaming people from 2000s.These days gamers will literally put down a game if they can't get their reward in a couple of hours.I really don't like the horizontal progression either. Gear from base game always being fine is just shit. It feels like if you play the expansions all you are doing is the story and then what? Now Im not advocating for a harsh gear treadmill either but I have no interest in playing GW2 because I played it at launch, got to 80, geared up. But coming back I'd only really be coming back for story and transmog. It just sucks for an MMORPG.
>>740643765Does it need to look so gay and fae thoughCan we have just a 4/10 on the sex appeal scale
>>740643765Ive only played FFXIVSomeone sell me on Guild Wars
>>740651573When you think about it, LA only moves the RNG from getting drops to enhancing your gear.
>>740656302I refuse.
>>740656302Babymaking sex with mama
>>740643765>An MMO that respects your time... >is this it bros?This was pretty much Sega's stance with PSO2 and ultimately NGS. Take a guess.
>>740656302nah
>>740656302original Guild Wars was a cool journeyGuild Wars 2 is some gay shit and there's dragons I guessgameplaywise it's a bunch of lobbies and every zone is instanced. you can take other players or NPCs with you. outside of normal zones there are "missions" that are basically dungeons.second game is more like a normal MMO but they don't use tank/healer/dps, so everything feels wonky
>>740656302As someone who's played both I'll give you an unbiased assessment, GW2's biggest strength is that it actually feels like an MMO in ways FFXIV often doesn't.The open world is phenomenal. Huge maps, dynamic events, world bosses, meta events, jumping puzzles and reasons to actually be out in the world. You'll be exploring some random zone and suddenly hundreds of players are fighting a dragon or pushing a map-wide event chain. People naturally play together without needing parties, queues or even communication.Compared to that, XIV's world can feel like a backdrop between story quests while most player activity happens in cities or instanced content. GW2 also respects your time. The level cap has been 80 since launch and gear doesn't get invalidated every expansion. If you quit for a year, you can come back and still be relevant. Combat is another highlight. It's faster, more active and positioning and dodging actually matter.That said, GW2 has a weakness that stops it being my perfect MMO.The journey to max level and getting geared is fantastic. The problem is that once you have a full Ascended set, progression mostly ends. Legendary gear is prestige and convenience rather than power. From that point on, the game becomes about collecting things: story, achievements, mounts, dyes, transmog, legendary weapons, map completion and cosmetics. Some people love that freedom. Others hit max gear and wonder what they're supposed to work toward next.So I'd say:If you want a living world where players are constantly out doing things and the open world matters, GW2 is one of the best MMOs ever made. If you want a clear gear treadmill, raid progression and constant power growth, FFXIV does that better.GW2 is an amazing world to adventure in. FFXIV is an amazing theme park.
gw3 won't be playable on ps5 without ps plus lol
>>740644546WoW
>>740656387>>740656408Proper gatekeeping is a good sign
>>740643765>no subMassive red flag signaling lack of meaningful content.Expect lots and lots of grinding like a Korean mmo
>>740656483How is the story and how are the fights
>>740656483GW2 definitely makes better use of its world, there's actually not much to do in FF14 zones and even less reasons to group up. They DID say they wanted to rework fates though, so maybe they'll actually look at GW2 for inspiration.
>>740656560story is complete and utter assit has a few aura farming moments but all the gay shit drowns them outfights range from fucking zergs where everyone piles on the boss to multi phase encounters where players have to fulfill objectives to advance
>>740656560nta, but pretty fucking badcombat is gigajank, the complete opposite of ffxivWhile xiv is slow with clear tells that your skills went off and hit, gw2 is jittery and you can interrupt your own auto attacks or skills with other skills, while still making them go on cooldownStory is excessively gay, even dawntrail is better, there is a very good reason nobody talks about gw2 storyDont play it for either of these two reasons, if both above dont matter, go right ahead though
>>740656508GW2 has no sub and there's zero grinding for the actual content. The only real grind in the game is for legendaries which are QoL and bragging rights instead of power.
>>740656619Theres generally nothing to do in the XIVs overworlds once you beat the MSQ. It's a shame. Sure theres hunts and treasure maps but those are usually done solo or with FC groups. Interacting with another player in XIV in the world feels really weird because of the abundance of sex mods and erp everyone just immediately thinks you want to fuck them.
>>740654849There was nothing in Wildstar that disrespected your time, people were just whiny, entitled babies.
>>740656267>These days gamers will literally put down a game if they can't get their reward in a couple of hours.Explain WoW classic and how it exploded then.The "times change" is a stupid argument and it pisses me off. How would you know that it wouldn't work nowadays if NOBODY tries or makes a completely dogshit game and puts slow progression on top of it then says "see? people don't want to waste time" ignoring the fact their game is dogshit to begin with.
>>740643765GW2 absolutely did not respect your time, and it's the same model.
>>740656268Looking gay is on brand for Guild Wars.
>>740643765Looks gay, pass
>>740656749WoW Classic kind of proves my point though. It exploded because it was WoW, one of the biggest MMOs ever made, and because people had years of nostalgia built up for it. The audience wasn't some random sample of modern gamers.I'm also not saying slower progression can't work. I'm saying the market today is far less tolerant of it than it was 20 years ago. You can see that in how quickly players consume content and demand catch-up systems, boosts, accelerated leveling, account-wide progression, etc.The issue isn't "slow progression bad." It's that most players want their time to feel respected. If a game takes 100 hours to gear up but those 100 hours are engaging, people will do it. If it takes 100 hours of repetitive chores, they'll quit.There's a middle ground between getting BiS in a weekend and turning the game into a second job. That's where I think MMOs should aim.
>>740655083basedfoot fags deserve being rinsed for all of their gold, hell, half of them probably like it.
What people who disparage GW2 for the microtransactions do not understand is that GW2 is by far the easiest game to get the premium currency for its shop just by playing the game since it's just a matter of converting the general in-game currency at a specific ratio. And getting heaps of gold to convert is an absolute breeze.
>>740657275Then do enlighten us please.
>>740657310he just didimagine if you could convert Gil into Crysta
>>740657442I meant the gold making process
>>740656302imagine if everything that sucked ass in 14 was actually good. that's gw2. gw2 only loses to 14 at one thing and that's raiding. 14 raids are the best in the genre but gw2 is the best at everything else.
>>740656891Fair enough. I concede it all about feeling your time is respected, even if you have to invest a lot of it to achieve something. The problem is that most, if not all, MMORPGs on the market make you work your ass off while also allowing to skip all the grind if you spend $ in one way or another. This is what killed MMORPGs for me. all I wanted was to pay a sub and be on equal footing with everyone else, but noooooo, modern audiences, broader appeal and shit.
>>740657310Ascended insignias which are crafted from stuff you get easily just by playing the game sell for anywhere between 5 to 18 gold a piece. Mystic coins which you can get from the Wizard's Vault for points that you get from, you guessed it, playing the game, also sell for almost two gold a pop and you can get 60 of those bad boys a season from the vault. And these two are just a few examples of how to make money.For reference, 100 gold gets you 213 gems at the current rate. And something like a bank tab expansion costs 600 gems in the store, meaning you only need to make 300 gold ingame (absolutely trivial) to get that.
>>740657474Farm whatever world event the newest expansion added on a 2h timer, then when it's down farm the next most recent world event, and so on
>>740655808The permanent teleport to friend is literally useless, the game showers you with that item. I have hundreds of them spread across my characters. Extra bank slots is also useless, if you really need more bank space you can create a personal guild and use that guild bank for it. Bag slots is per character which is giga-jewish and makes them not worth it in the slightest.
>>740654535same here, really made me salty. And it was a world event so you didn't even get to choose when you got to play
>>740643765No "premium" battlepass.Guild Wars 2 was notorious for a "living story" that required you to grind like hell for a month before it went away forever unless you paid to unlock it.
hire an additional retainer tho
>>740644052You can buy all that with in-game gold
>>740653541What a low IQ fucking take this is. You could apply this to your fucking bills irl, that's how dumb it is. A subscription ends up being way cheaper than dealing with a f2p game for the average person
>>740658142At least you can pay to unlock it. Most battlepasses are one and done and it's really annoying.
>>740657475>14 raids are the best in the genreThat's still WoW.
>>740658142>required you to grind like hell for a monthWhat? All you had to do is log in once within 3-4 months of it releasing, to have it unlocked forever. Is that too much to ask?>unless you paid to unlock it.Anything in gem store can be essentially purchased with gold and the exchange rate is more than reasonable.
>>740644052All buyable with in-game gold.You commies all want everything handed to you for free. What you do get for an F2P game is insanely generous and when you pay for an expansion its cheap and has hours of content. They are a games company and have to make money somehow, or else the game wouldn't exist. It's less urgent to buy a bank slot when you feel like it, than it is to be forced to pay a monthly sub like WoW-cucks
>>740658362He said raid not airhorn simulator ft. Weak auras
>>740658362It's actually Lost Ark
>>740658142>Grind like hellMore like log in once when it’s the newest update. Even then, you can unlock them for like 100 gold if you miss them. You faggots always harp on this but never give the full context
>>740658452They banned DBM and Weak Aura's for Midnight.
>>740658362You can't even do the original pre-nerf raids, the hell are you talking about? You get the gutted scraps of a nigh impossible raid that only your 2 sponsored guilds could beat.
>>740658564Only took em over 20 years. That's still been the majority of the experience for the lifespan of the game though
>>740658449I would rather have no cash shop than one that devalues my time investment. farming gold just feels like a waste of time when I can earn the quality of life improvements quicker by working for an hour and swiping my card. the implications that buying cosmetics and slots and what not offsets the price of subscription means that people do buy them consistently, what good is free if it means the gameplay is designed around a cash shop. at least subscriptions guarantee consistent content or else people would unsubscribe. cosmetics should be earned in game only to reward players who've spent the time to get them. modern MMOs just don't get it, imagine playing PSO and seeing everyone with fancy mag forms and weapons and rings it would completely hollow the thrill of a rare drop
>>740658760I guess that's a problem if you treat games as dick measuring contests where your experience is soured if what you have is not a signifier of status.
>>740658760>cosmetics should be earned in game only to reward players who've spent the time to get themNigga this literally describes gw2. Instead of typing all that shit just try gw2 for yourself to see what the cash shop is like. Most gw2 cosmetics are earned in game and people would rather show off their in game achievement skins and legendaries than use cash shop cosmetics. One of gw2's best features is that there are a ton of amazing cosmetics you earn in game.
>>740643765>prequel>meaning no firearms>possibly even more focused on tab targetting than gw2No thanks
>>740658760Most people who play GW2 would rather have the legendary weapons and trinkets that can’t be bought with gold over anything available for gems
>>740658861people used to recognize memorable gear and know them by name and compliment other players, MMOs are a power fantasy and you want to be cool. paid cosmetics/mounts and transmogging in general = retarded and gay
>>740658760>subscriptions guarantee consistent content or else people would unsubscribe.
>>740643765Of course not. Because it's gacha
https://steamcommunity.com/app/4743930/discussions/0/570414055658125015/>Arenanet got so mad and butthurt they deleted the "Will it be woke?" thread
I never got interested to play GW2 because their races are just ugly or bland. Nothing looks cool and if it does stand out it looks ugly. I might play GW3 if they have anything cool.
>>740659059No, I don't want to be cool, I want to do cool stuff. I don't give a FUCK about being recognized for it except on a personal level.
>>740659059I’ve had my character model limit set to lowest on this game for probably over a decade. I really don’t give a shit about all the people who turn their characters into walking strobe lights and only show up to do map events.
>>740656165>The more you have to work to achieve something the more dopamin will get released into your body when you finally get it.[citation needed]
>>740643765Okay but they will clog your inventory with garbage and make you buy bag slots or bank upgrades
>>740659123
>>740646198>>rumors swirling that GTA VI might just skip PC entirely and focus on getting it on Switch 2You're not retarded enough that you think this is true, right? That's one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this site in twenty years.
>>740656718>The only real grind in the game is for legendaries which are QoL and bragging rights instead of power.the only weapons that look remotely good you mean. I never felt rewarded for my work in this game once, all items and armors look like NPC shit and all good stuff is in the store
>>740659104If the launch is anything like GW2’s, I seriously wouldn’t, at least for a long timeThere was nothing to do in the base game except grind the same 1 dungeon over and over or play the godawful other mode, WvW
>>740658971you can buy all mats for the legendary with gold aka gems and only those parts are the real grind
Could they not merge some of these files so they aren't single kb of data? Jesus christ.
>>740659204I only have 4 more gen 2 weapons to go until I fill out the whole arsenal, but I honestly don’t think I’m going to now I remember the switch over from GW1 to 2. There’s no point in playing anymore
>>740659253You can literally search for 5 minutes to know that this is not true and that several mats for the legendaries involve completition of several long as fuck achievements (like full world exploration).
>>740659204Oh, you're one of those "if it doesn't glow and have moving parts it looks bad" people. I'm sorry for your loss.
>>740659060in my defense people only stay subscribed to have erotic modbeast futa sex parties with children in their houses
>>740659320shut the fuck up nigger I spent way too much time in this game to be lecture by a faggot like you.This game is hot shit
>>740659253You can’t buy >Gift of Battle>Map currency needed for Obsidian Shards and individual shards>Crystalline OreProbably forgetting a few others, but also, there’s no cheating the Maguuma map completion either
>>740659327and you are one of those "wow I love this drab shit, I look like a heckin grizzled warrior veteran, I just need more dirt and bronze colors so I can blend with the ground and enjoy my realism" people.
>>740659353You can shit on the game all you want, but be professional. There's a lot of good arguments you can use to shit on it, yet you choose to use lies and deceit.
>>740659253You can not buy the gift of MasteryKill yourself.Also as far as I know the legendaries on the market are just cosmetics rather than being the real thing.
>>740659436Nah, they’re the actual ones with ascended stats, but you can’t buy the best looking ones, just gen 1 and 3
>>740659436>>740659393why are you all so cucked, this is nowhere hard to get it's just a shitty time-sink and doens't prove any mastery over game. You just walk around picking shit up or running in wvw with a rapegroup and spamming aoe. At least items from shit like Dhuum meant something.
>>740650387>Guild Wars 2 must actually be doing pretty well if they are committing to a third game.Nah, anet does this every time. They announce big, ambitious goals and then a year or two into release they go "oops, we can't maintain this development pace" and massively scale back. Then a year or two later they do it again. And again. And again. This process has been the entire development life of GW2 to the point we now pay $25 a year for a handful of shitty maps. Their big "we'll maintain all three games!" plan will wind up the same way, mark my words.
>>740659498Why do you insist on lying about shit that can be easily disproven?
>>740659542why are you retarded?
>>740659398There's a middle ground between those two, you know. And GW2 has plenty of stuff that falls into that middle ground.
>>740659504I doubt the higher ups at NCsoft or their investors would greenlight a new game if GW2 was struggling, though.
>>740659398You are a completely tasteless retard.
>>740645520>I made my character look like a tranny and it's Arena Nets fault
nothing in this game is hard to get, everything is just a time sink, I wish you fags stopped coping that you've sunk so much time into it.t. multiple legendaries and full achi raid clears
>>740659779stfu low fantasy cuck, go back to lotro
are they releasing all the expacs in one purchase yet? I only have the first 2 expacs and want the rest but buying them piecemeal is garbo
>>740659939What is "hard to get" if not a time sink?
>>740660006something that requires skill aka clearing hard content
>>740659971High fantasy does not mean 'looks like a fucking strobe light' and LotR is not low fantasy.
Clearing hard content doesnt matter in GW2 because you don't get any gear or whatever from it. This is why Horizontal progression fucking sucks balls.
>>740660025Okay. I can't think of a single MMO where this is applicable, so are you perhaps measuring things with a non-applicable bar?
>>740660108You get unique skins and titles from doing achievements and hard content, seems far better than stat sticks that will be pointless once you have already cleared the content that you'd have the need of them for.
>>740660108>he needs rewards to do challenging thingsFaggot
>>740643765I think the last time i played gw2 was its first expansion. the combat really sucked so no real interest if this will be the same
>>740660108you get exclusive skins which prove you cleared it or shit like Throne of the Ahdashim that reuqires to 100% the key of ahdashim.
>>740660164>>740660210That's exactly the problem. I play an MMORPG to make my character stronger, not collect cosmetics and play dress-up. Beating harder content should unlock meaningful character progression, not another skin I'll forget about in a week. Titles and transmog aren't RPG progression.
>>740659161>In neuroscience and behavioral economics, "Salamone et al." refers to seminal research pioneered by Dr. John Salamone exploring effort-based cost-benefit decision making. The "worth" of this work lies in how it proves the brain continuously calculates whether a potential reward is "worth the effort" required to obtain it.The central concepts and the clinical "worth" of these models break down as follows:>The Core Scientific ConceptThe Barter System of the Brain: Salamone's behavioral models demonstrate that animals don't just assess the raw value of a reward. Instead, they treat instrumental behavior (e.g., crossing a barrier, pressing a lever) as the "labor" or "cost" traded for a commodity.>The Dopamine Link: The research found that nucleus accumbens dopamine is not merely the chemical of "pleasure" or "reward" as traditionally thought. Instead, it drives the motivation to overcome effort-related costs to secure larger rewards.
>>740660281then you are playing half the game, you have to be delusional if you don't think people don't play mostly to dress up the character in cool shit
>>740643765>Trans Wars 3Fuck no thank you
>>740644052You can easily farm gold ingame and buy all of that shit.
>>740660281That seems like a (you) problem. Skill and learning should be what "makes your character stronger", not bloating your stat counters for your minmaxing autism.
>>740660309Looking cool is the icing, not the cake. If the ultimate reward for beating the hardest content is a new outfit, it's not progression, that's a wardrobe update. I play RPGs to build a stronger character, not a stronger screenshot collection.>>740660356That's a weird argument. Skill and learning make the player stronger, not the character. RPGs have always been about both player skill and character progression. If gear, stats, and build upgrades don't matter, then why even have levels, attributes, or loot in the first place? At that point you're just playing an action game with a wardrobe system.
>>740660401progression is finite, doing raids already implies you are maxed out to do it which only leaves cosmetics unless devs specifically design the game so it unlocks new skills and abilities after clearing a raid (they don't). Item stats are shit tier progression
>>740660281I agree with you but the modern mmo play is so mindbroken just look at the people in this thread. although I think getting stronger should have a visual impact personally, you should be able to visibly see a player that has good gear it's a psychological thing new players want to be like them and they get to feel powerful and it makes the time spent feel more rewarding. when everyone has transmogs or paid cosmetics you can't distinguish anything and it breaks that feeling of a living world and purpose
>>740660401The levels are there to showcase an initial progression system that introduces you to the game. Indeed, after that you are playing an action RPG, and your stats are there to decide which playstyle you are applying to your class.Again, this weird obsession with muh numbers is purely a you thing putting some sort of mandate based on your expectations of a label than what the game actually is.
>>740658760>I would rather have no cash shop than one that devalues my time investment.Applying this universally would go against Anet's tenets. A player who works for a living and does not have much time to play should not log in and immediately be exposed to NEETs who get to grind 12 hours a day and therefore wear skins that the wagie cannot hope to unlock in a reasonable amount of real world days.Which is not to say that there is a great deal of skins that are earned from raids (that require skill over time) and collections (that do require some time but are seldom an actual grind and usually promote exploration).Gemstore offers skins that complement those obtainable otherwise and has the benefit of being giftable (unlike, say, legendary armor skins that you have to work towards yourself).>what good is free if it means the gameplay is designed around a cash shop.Gameplay is designed around just plain being fun. GW2's combat system is the #1 thing keeping it afloat.>at least subscriptions guarantee consistent content Like in WoW Classic right?The most popular mmo on the market requires a subscription, has a cash shop, sells level boosts *and still doesn't even bother producing new content*.
>>740660459If progression is finite, then why even have loot, levels, builds, stats, or gear at all? That's literally what RPG progression is. Also, most successful MMOs in history were built on gear progression, not cosmetics. The fact you're "maxed enough" to enter a raid doesn't mean progression should stop the moment you walk through the door.>>740660508It's not an obsession with numbers, it's an expectation of progression in an RPG. If levels, stats, gear, and builds only exist as a tutorial before the "real game" starts, that's a pretty strong argument that the progression system is shallow. Character growth is a core part of RPGs. Replacing it with cosmetics doesn't suddenly make it deeper.>>740660495Pretty much. Cosmetics work best when they're supporting progression, not replacing it. Seeing a geared player and thinking "I want to get there" has been a huge motivator in MMOs for decades. When everyone can look equally impressive through transmogs, cash shop skins, or horizontal progression, a lot of that sense of achievement and world hierarchy disappears. Your character's appearance should tell a story about what they've accomplished, not just what outfit they picked.
>>740660495Or people just don't play things the same way you do. Never in my 20 years of MMO experience have I seen a high level player and gone "oh shit I must grind for that", the only thing that has come to mind is "great, now I get to spend the majority of the gameplay looking like shit so I can get decent gear by the time I have nothing left to do."Progress meaning more variety and bigger amount of goals is perfectly good. You might be the kind that likes to trudge miserably to a good outcome, but others simply prefer to enjoy the trudging.
>>740660646>If progression is finite, then why even have loot, levels, builds, stats, or gear at all?????Every single mmo and game in existence has finite progression because it has to end.
>>740660604in the real vanilla wow is was a completely different story and it goes against your entire argument, you were rewarded for putting in the most time and it wasn't just cosmetic and it was entirely gameplay. it didn't have a cash shop or pay for convienience and subscriptions were entirely hinged on provider more and better content
>>740660646Your arguments are going in circles and relate purely to what you want to take from it and what you think something should be without anything else to them other than subjectivity, so I guess all I can leave you with is that yeah, sure, this approach to it is clearly not your thing.
>>740644546I'm sick of players that say 'respect my time'. Whichever those players congregate around is the game I avoid. Sick of that whiny entitled shit attitude that a game is a chore and you're so enlightened that your time isn't being respected when everyone else is playing it just fine. Up there with 'artificial difficulty' as key phrases that tell me I'm listening to an absolute knob speaking.
>>740660210Yeah it's called an RPG you faggot. Go play something else if you want actual faggot rewards. i.e. dressup
>>740660712You're missing the point. The question isn't whether progression is finite, it's where it ends. Most MMOs let progression continue through endgame content and then reset or expand it with new patches and expansions. GW2 effectively ends character progression years before the content does and replaces it with cosmetics. That's the difference.>>740660738It's not "going in circles" just because you haven't addressed the argument. My position has been consistent from the start: I think character progression is a better reward structure than cosmetic collection. Your response has mostly been to call progression "muh numbers" and insist RPG progression is somehow subjective. At that point we're not debating the point anymore, you're just dismissing it.
>>740651540Every class is every class.
>>740654159No one remembers gw2 anymore so they can repeat the trick.
>>740660832>I hate it when my Role Playing Games contain Roleplay
>>740660740For a long time now "respect my time" with regard to MMOs has just meant somebody willing to pay MTX for skins
>>740654159The game only got better with time as they added stuff to do and made players actually think about what roles they bring to instanced content.Launch was fucking abysmal, but by PoF, they actually made the game resemble a real RPG.
>>740660740To be fair, there are games in the genre that absolutely spit on the time you spend playing them. Most Korean MMOs feature progression systems that are basically gacha, complete with pity systems if your luck is bad enough to fail several times in a row.
>>740643765>was gonna flop (“not meet expectations”)>oh welp, may as well double down on targeting whale retards. fuck everyone else
>>740661180I don't even think the whales are happy about this. I was about to whale out in GW2 and buy a legendary spear with gems to gold, but the announcement of GW3 completely killed any desire I have to play this series.
>>740660729>in the real vanilla wowHasn't existed for 20 years. Developers have changed. Audience has changed. Upkeep costs have changed.The closest spiritual successor to vanilla WoW relies/relied on no subscription fees and cash shop. It has been such a hit that people are willing to play using a janky 1.12 client on Chinese servers.
>>740659841Pretty sure those are boobs on a man's body.
>>740643765Is there any gameplay footage yet?
>>740660308Yeah, no, I don't fucking buy it. I feel deeply fucking annoyed after completing a shitty grind that I was forced to do to get what I actually wanted, or mild relief that it's finally over, not rewarded. The only thing that I actually feel rewarded over is completing something difficult.
>>740660495I have literally, never in my life, taken a look at the gaudy bullshit players used to wear and thought "OH WOW SO COOL I WONDER WHERE THEY GOT IT"I take a look at them and think they are enormous cocksucking flaming homos for having characters wearing armor that looks like shit. I did not 'feel powerful' for wearing armor that looked like shit, I felt like a retard.
>>740652596>Goes into an mmo thread>Mad about mmo monetization
>>740643765Hasn't this been true for GW1 and 2? GW1 was B2P and had some microtransactions but I think it was mostly cosmetic and fluff stuff. Not sure about 2
>>740662248Guild Wars 2 Cashshop is completely predatory. Full of all sorts of shit. Think Korean MMO tier of cash shop.
There's literally no reason not to just make the game subscription based with a small F2P area. It will make MORE money over time, still has room for cosmetic MTX, and no annoying convenience MTX.
>>740662290>Full of all sorts of shit. Think Korean MMO tier of cash shop.Such as?
>>740660740There is a wild difference between what that phrase means and what it's used for. Usually it's used because some faggot got their teeth kicked in by a game and couldn't cope so he whined about their time being wasted. 90% of the time it's games journalists and their hanger ons. That is a far, far cry from a game that is intentionally wasting their time to get more subscription or MTX money because MMOs are the one genre where that accusation is deserved.
>>740643765I've heard such liea before
I can't remember when I last played but I keep thinking of just deleting all my characters and starting over.
>>740662391https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Storecheck how many fucking "upgrades" and "services" there are
>>740662483just make a new character, you have the slots for it.
I was 14 when gw2 launched. It was an extremely gay game that only got gayer with time. I am 28 now. I have zero interest in mmos. I am too busy with my 20yo gf and millions of euro in my bank account. I just play warthunder sometimes and my gf thinks its "cool" that I have a "manly" hobby.
>>740662556Ah yes, the obligatory "sylvari seed pod mail carrier" upgrade. Don't know where I'd be without it.
I was going to play but why doesnt the new expansion include the previous expansions like XIV does. Or at the very least buying ultimate version of the expansion and getting all the previous expansions.
>>740662782you dont have 200 euro to spent on my gay doll hrt dressup simulator? what are you, not on welfare?
>>740662782They have that.
>>740662947This only has the first 3 expansions and living world (you can buy living world with gold so it's a scam)It's missing the newest 3 expansions
>>740662830Looking at the website it adds up to 130ish bucks right now when buying separately, which is on par with a big name game + a bunch of dlcs. Are you planning on playing 7 different campaigns at the same time?
>>740663034Why the fuck isn't there a collection for the expansions.
>>740663092because $$$they haven't even gone on substantial sales since they released. Anet wants you to buy the expansions at full price to access the powercreep weapons and specs they added
>>740651058AI companions ala dragons dogma is actually a good idea
>>740643765This game is doing that well that it got a third game? I thought it wasn't doing well?
>>740662556you can just farm gold and convert that to gems, you know that, right?
>>740663396How would you do this on a free account?What gold farming is there?
>>740663485Hang around Ministers' Waypoint in DR and look for a shiny enough daddy, then offer him an ERP session in his home instance. After the deed he will mail you a stack of coins and a skin of your choice.You sound like someone who shows up at a restaurant, eats bread they put on your table while pretending to be studying the menu, then leaves. Possibly Indian.
>>740663759>Oh you don't need all that cash shop stuff you just need gold>How do I get gold?>WHAT ARE YOU INDIANNot a good look there retard.
>>740663485if you're playing with a free account, you aren't trying to play seriously anyway, so you don't need any items from the gem store. that said, do fractals or farm RIBA to get gold.
>>740663759>This is the average MTX payer
>>740663831Well I wanted to give it a try first. Im downloading it now.
>>740644431KEK
>>740663824>I want an online game's full experience without paying a cent back>it was promised to me>gibsmedat gemstore skin
>>740643765don't care still playing wow classic
>>740664023You.
>>740663931There are some restrictions to the free game. Most significantly: reduced bag space, can't buy some items, no mounts. Other than that you can pretty much play the entire vanilla game, and buying any expansion lifts all restrictions
>>740643765>respects your time>gates you out of mounts if you don't buy their expansions
>>740644431
lotro
>>740664059Nigger are you implying Anet aren't barely scraping by? Seen their previous CEOs? MO can't afford a hair transplant.
why does it look so cartoony though
I own up to path of fire. 4 more expansions to buy fucking hell.
>>740664074>no refunds or any reward for playing the game before it went f2p
>>740662191>mad
>>740664280Don't forget to pre-order GW3 :^)
>>740664280Actually, they gave everyone an outfit, iirc.The real reward however is the gaming experience itself. If you are the materialistic type then you have also had the opportunity to get a major headstart on a bunch of account upgrades that some people itt are so obsessed with. Early on gold-to-gem ratio was so low it was cheaper to buy another bag slot than to upgrade a bag.
>>740664579What outfit?
>>740664579I dropped the game before even getting to cap in the base game because it was boring as hell and they expect me to buy an expansion to get a mount to make my experience better.
>>740651058I agree, the GW1 build style with AI companions and skill capture would be fantastic. Would love to see that again. And to have defined classes would be ideal, too, rather than each class able to perform each individual function characteristic of an RPG. I always thought Guild Wars generally had great classes: mesmer and dervish, for example, were unique. And GW1 combining different classes was always fun to experiment with. GW2 is pretty gay though. Writers went out of their way to ensure that. I never thought GW2's microtransactions were an issue. Everything sold was completely optional and largely cosmetic, and as other posters here have noted, the currency can largely be acquired in-game. Hopefully GW3 takes the best of GW1 and makes it not gay.
>>740658904Nice try arena shill. Not only most earnable in game cosmetics sucks from both design and quality standpoint, you also need to spend limited currency to transmog your shit. Outfits are also almost entirely in store with only the most ugly ones ever giving out and only on rare occasions.
>>740664729Royal guard.>>740664752If you couldn't stomach the leveling then getting a mount won't make it much better, fun as it is. Core game is in dire need of rework and the leveling experience is kind of subpar in general by modern standards imo, I don't know how people manage it. I haven't leveled a character in over a decade and just boost alts instead, only visiting old zones for map completion sake when in the mood (which is rare).Afaik most newcomers just use that free boost and proceed with the expansion of their choice.But as much as they try to keep the stories separate, there is still a great deal of recurring characters so no matter what expansion you pick you still end up with who-are-yous treating you like a long-time friend which is immersion-breaking.All the more reason to look forward to gw3 being a clean slate.
>>740665140Leveling was turbo dogshit in 2012 too.
>>740664949Transmutation stones are practically free nowdays, and the new (read: a few months) wardrobe system makes it so that you can set your appearance even when you swap gear
>>740665140Lmao imagine paying for the game before f2p and this is what you get. Fucking lmao.
why dont people like guild wars 2 when its basically perfect on paper?
>>740664949>Not only most earnable in game cosmetics sucks from both design and quality standpointGenerally speaking, wearing more than a couple gemstore armor pieces at a time is a sign of bad taste.>you also need to spend limited currency to transmog your shitI have literally never came even close to running out of transmutation charges. Have over 2500 rn.>>740665221Not my problem.
>>740665140Leveling a new character in 2025 was the most fun I've had in GW2
>>740643765>An MMO that respects your time...So it's confirmed to be garbage already? Why the fuck would I want to play an MMO like it's a fucking job?
>>740665664I think you have the opposite interpretation of what they meant
>>740665238Because the gameplay loop in gw2 is doing random achievements and unlocking masteries, 90% of which are completely useless to the overall gameplay. It's basically a game for people who like to do achievements for the sake of doing achievements
offline mmos are the future
>>7406627821. That's their business model considering it doesn't have a sub fee2. All content is evergreen, if you don't own the latest or even any expansion, you're still playing content that is alive. I'm assuming FF is like WoW where only the current expac is relevant
>>740665309Interesting. What have you enjoyed the most about it? Do you visit core locations often otherwise? How long has it been since you've last leveled this way?Sometimes I contemplate doing that while also avoiding using mounts or other possibly unfair advantages but then look at how few skills there'd be available for the first couple dozen levels and it gets less appealing. In fact the only two reasons why it seems attractive is reliving the nostalgia and getting to meet real newbies.
>>740663165retardexpacs go frequently on saleIn fact even the current expansion is/was on sale following the GW3 announcement, even though it hasn't even had its final patch yet
>>740665797They ironically are. People want the huge world of an MMO and the ability to easily mod all of the assets without all the jank and netcode shit that comes with multiplayer.
>>740665760No I don't.>Login to complete your dailies bro>Login to complete your weeklies bro>Oh sorry, you've hit your weekly cap, come back next week faggotGachaslop literally got their fomo design from MMORPGs that attempted to "respect the players time".
>>740644052Not to mention the fact that you can also buy gold using gems and the exchange rate is controlled 100% by them.
>>740662556can't change the look of your character without paying, goyim
>>740665238People like GW2 perfectly fine. Except compared to FF or WoW ppl are actually busy having fun in the game rather than post on message boards
>>740660318You actually cannot. Nothing in this game is worth gold unless its a legendary weapon.
Guild Wars 2 is one of the least fun MMOs I've played in my life, there's absolutely no reason to team up with anyone, there's no meaningful progression, the story is absolute dogshit and exploring the world is just a box checking exercise.And the whole game looks like mud.I'll check 3 out I guess because MMOs have no fucking competition right now, all they need to do is release a game to win.
>>740643765>goy wars 3
>>740656165>>740660308not everyone is satisfied by spreadsheet number go upthat's why they have to disguise it with pretty graphics and sound effects and an entire game apparatus.It's why you're playing a game instead of some browser incremental idler
>>740666325The adventure really. You're going around completing hearts and participating in events without caring about G/hr, tracking world timers or negotiating parties. GW2 endgame is either grinding or completing checklist tasks, actually living in the world and doing whatever content you come across is the heart of the game. Levelling right now isn't grindy at all, and you will way outlevel the zone before you are even close to map completionI tried to go do 100% map completion on one character to try to recapture this, but it doesn't really feel the same. It's just another checklist task
>>740666441My mate is the biggest casual and I think GW2 is the only game he plays now (used to play COD back in the day). Sure enough, I doubt he has ever posted on an imageboard or forum in his life.
>>740666334They go on pitiful sales and never on a mass discount bundle. You can buy the first 3 expansions on sale for the price of ONE of the later expansions on sale.
>>740666351Those games didn't do that to 'respect the players' time', they did it because it addicts subhumans. And surprise surprise, it's actually the same mechanism that hooked people playing Everquest decades ago, so it collapsed theme parks like a house of fucking cards.
>>740665309Why?And kinda want to make new char, should I go with Ele or Mes or Ranger for cute human girl.Which has the slutiest gear?
>>740665238Was way shittier than GW1 in every way. It looked like shit, the raw mechanics sucked, I didn't feel like I could experiment at all, and it was bound and determined to force me into chores for some god forsaken reason.
>>740666934Elementalist is the most fun and weakest. You get the joy of having 30 buttons to push, and the sorrow of needing a 30 button rotation to do the damage other classes do with 10Mesmer is funRanger I hate. I can't find a weapon/spec that feels good to play with, and 2/3 specs make you lose your petRanger has the sluttier gear, medium armor shows a lot of skin>whysee >>740666653
>>740666934Light armor is the sluttiest. Necro, Mesmer, Ele. Tho the sets from the latest expacs and all gemstore stuff is armor agnostic.Also consider cute salad instead
>>740666931No, they did it to "respect the players' time". One of the most common complaints in MMOs used to be no-lifers getting ahead of everyone else, so devs created dailies/weeklies. Now everyone is more or less on the same level if they do their dailies/weeklies, which usually only take 15min-1hr.
>>740667320Poopsockers are faggots and deserved to be fucked with and designed out of the game.
>>740667320No, they did not. You were lied to. Microtasks are addictive to subhumans. They didn't settle on that method for no reason.
>>740644431This, but unironically. Like, I know you made this post to actually make fun of elder millenials who grew up with MMOs but this is literally, unironically me right now, no meme.
>>740667441And this is why nu-mmos are all utter trash. Designed like jobs for retards who get upset when someone who puts in more hours is obviously ahead of them in progression.
>>740666653Understandable, alright. Sometimes I revisit old maps from previous expansions and the like, which probably accomplishes a similar goal. Skipped a lot of content by sticking to the story the first time around (and still have a few episodes completely untouched), so core GW2 content isn't as fresh in comparison. Haven't done map completion in years but still can remember every heart and poi from the previous runs. Not every event though, so you may be onto something here. On the other hand, you still get to complete most of events while doing map completion on account of how fast they tend to fill hearts. Some hearts are downright a pain to complete without an event, even.Still, getting to hang out with new players and getting to experience the world vicariously through them, even to a small extent, sounds tempting at times.
>>740667607Found the poopsocker mad his digital job stopped existing.
>>740667501Quests are microtasks, achievements are microtasks, dailies are psychological addiction to get retards to login everyday. Which inevitably leads to the game feeling like a shitty job.
>>740667824Correct, and all three of those are absolutely cancerously shit as implemented.
>>740667607Calm down m8. They're just a way to keep our mind busy until the inevitability of death takes us.
>>740667821I don't poopsock, you'd have to be pay to grind for more than an hour a day. Poopsockers were an extreme minority, and turning games into a chore just because fragile babies were envious of poopsockers is pure retardation.>>740667889How exactly are quests cancerous? Achievements I can see a reason, dailies obviously, but quests?>>740667894What brand of cattle are you, that you need the developers to give you a daily checklist to keep your mind busy for less than an hour?
>>740668160I'm guessing you get punched in the face a lot irl.
>>740668212>No rebuttalAs expected from cattle.
>>740668160>do [low skill, low effort task that requires a moderate amount of time] to receive [small reward]>repeat 5000 times to levelI wonder.
There already was an mmo ("mmo") that respected your time made over 20 years ago
>>740668482Yep. Took barely any time to cap, if it was just about PvP PvP characters instantly capped.
>>740668482That post left me breathless.
>>740668338Most MMOs don't even have 500 quest after years of service, so even your hyperbole is stupid. Quests can also be used to guide new players and have lore dumps to flesh out the world.
>>740668840I don't care, you don't understand their real purpose.
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>>740668935I understand it better than you do, simply because you don't understand it all.
>>740644431kekthere'd be nothing wrong with that though if it actually delivered.but I don't have the time for it nowadays anymore, or rather I wouldn't want the inflexibility where you always shave to book a certain slot in your schedule for the guild activities each week (which take twice as long as they should because the guild refuses to kick that one fucking retard who always wipes you)
>>740654535>first event where everyone zerg giant crabs and everyone got a rewardI got fucked out of anything good, meanwhile a guild member ended up jumping to different parties and got 3 precursors from killing the queen multiple times.>>740658175>just run CoF path 1 15,000 times bro you can get everything just by playing the game bro!
>>740669224You do not. Not at all. You're ascribing totally meaningless shit to them, when the actual reality is that it makes subhuman brains light up.
>>740644052...the Warframe model?
>>740669747Once again, you've proven your ignorance. Outside of games like OSRS where quests are actually decent, the amount of people who do quests decrease with every level. Nobody treats quests like dailies, because the reward is not proportional to the effort.
>>740670915Cite your data.
>>740643765they will add the same market shit present in other ncsoft games>a mmo that respects your timethat’s basically saying it’s gonna be p2w
>>740650387>Guild Wars 2 must actually be doing pretty well if they are committing to a third game.It's one of those games which gets no drama but keeps trucking along in the background without anyone noticing.
>>740643765>>740658760>farming gold feels like a waste of timethat's because it iscurrently the most reliable gold grind nets you about 30g/h which is about $1.20 in value with the current gems to gold conversion rates.which means grinding for gold to buy gemstore shit in this game is a huge trap since you're basically working full time for $1.20 an hour, way WAY below minimum wage lmao
GW2 could have been a pretty good MMO if it had a good writing team. The gameplay has its highs but it's kind of hard to get invested when 80% of the content is some gay story related shit.
>>740646198>rumors swirling that GTA VI might just skip PC entirely and focus on getting it on Switch 2do you wanna bet money on this?
>>740671430Let's see your data that people do MMO quests like their dailies.
>>740673794Don't need it. People who get rewards from doing dailies get rewards from doing quests.
>>740666197You are assuming incorrectly.
>>740675060You don't play. Dailies are part of progression, quests give a negligible. amount of gold and exp, especially at endgame
>>740668482>Breathless Was Floyd>Communning>Hold Floyd's Ashes for 15...60 seconds, granting you immunity to Dazed condition>Upon being dropped, inflicts Dazed condition on every Nearby enemy
>>740676838Why do you think I'm talking about in-game rewards?
>>740680180I sincerely hope you aren't talking about psychological rewards or completionism. Because you will just make an even bigger fool of yourself.
>>740665238>>740666441GW 2, in concept, is fine. What dogshit is the story, the characters, and many attempt to fuck over Guild Wars 1 lore deliberately.
>>740644052>>740652308NTA but it seems to me its better to just pay the $200 or a monthly sub. This would mean the base game will feel very hollow unless you make a bunch of smaller purchases. Really it all equals the same shit if you ask me but the pick your poison is a lot less shit with paying outright for your game. I prefer games where everyone is more a less on an equal playing field. The anon was right to laugh at this.
>>740666368You have dicksuckers telling you that its okay to farm the Silverwaste for months for this conversion. They're fucking retarded and not honest about this at all. At this point, one hour in a part time job is much more preferable.
>>740646604>Homecoming>Leandro still presentPlease unironically kill yourself.>get a canister of helium, some rubber tubing, and a bag>put the tubing into the cylinder and the other end in the bag>turn it on>put the bag over your head and hold it closed>inhale>the inert gas won't make you think you're suffocating, instead you'll just black out in secondsYou really should do it. Everyone here hates you. Your mom and dad love you, but you're such a disappointment to them because you had all this potential, but instead chose to waste it and be - well, you're not a NEET, but you're close. You're a disappointment to them. Yeah they'll cry for a bit, but in like a year they'll be happy to have moved on from the low-grade stressor in their life. It'll be even faster if you have siblings. You really should do it.
>>740683340>it seems to me its better to just pay the $200 or a monthly sub. Can you specify what services/improvement you would be willing pay for up front exactly?
>>740680519o lawdy anon is going to have a fit when he learns that big AAA companies hire psychologists to make their games addicting
>>740655616state your argument bitch. until then you lost the argument retard
>>740658760Try having some impulse control you mongrel.
>>740682987>racism and extreme nationalism were actually good, which is why Cantha survived the Luxon-Kurzick Wars, the Jade Wind and the Canthan Plague
>>740680519>he doesn't knowIt's been SOP since WoW.
>>740684124>>740685067Once again, making fools of yourselves, because completionism is stupidly niche. And nobody is doing side quests for a dopamine hit, you people really don't play MMOs.
>>740643765how do they make money?how do they produce massive content if they don't make massive money?the less money an MMO makes, the less content they can make; the more grind the mmo will have. This is an ironclad ruleare going to imitate the Genshin Impact model?
The Client is so shit for downloading compared to Steam.
>>740643765>no MANDATORY subscriptionSo it's going to be filled with minor-major inconveniences that can be bypassed with a subscription?
>>740687718>>740688740Have you ever heard of or played Guild Wars and/or Guild Wars 2?
>>740689216I recently bought GW1 reforged and had fun playing it for a while but dropped it temporarily since none of my friends wanted to play. I know it doesn't have a subscription I'm just wary with the usage of mandatory.
>>740688740I'd rather pay 10-20 bucks for a storage expansion or character slot increase once or twice a year than pay 15+ every month, while STILL having a cash shop.WoW is diseased and it's players have a bugman mentality
>>740689821>dropped it temporarily since none of my friends wanted to playWe have a general over at /vm/ and you're more than welcome to join our guild at any time and play with us. We have people who log on and don't talk and do their own solo thing if you want to do that as well. We try to get together and run something almost weekly, and we do regular campaign progression runs. We'll be starting a Nightfall progression soon, probably later this month or so. If you ever need help with something, just ask in the thread.
>>740689216Yes, it is filled with qol problems that they are selling you solutions for. The worst one being resource bank that can only hold a single fucking stack of a resource.
>>740650765Gw2 fell off after EoD, but GW1 is fun now that people are playing it again
>>740689821Right, fair enough. Well, for all their flaws being scummy with ways of milking players for money is one of the few things they aren't really known for. Seeing how Colin bashed the concept of battle passes too, I reckon most of the series vets are certain that Anet will stick to their guns on this.Not to say that the game won't be hot garbage, that may very well end up being the case, but it won't squeeze their players like that.>>740691021> they are selling you solutions for.They do not sell subscriptions however. Everyone gets to choose what to purchase and whether to spend gold or cash.>The worst one being resource bank that can only hold a single fucking stack of a resource.How many resources is it a problem for?Coming to GW2 from WoW where items stacked to...20, the base 250 cap has been very generous.In 14 years of playing I haven't bought a single extension. It's just not that big of a deal.
>>740690374I always want to but I'm too autistic about actually going through with it.
>>740643765I'd rather pay a monthly fee than have a cash shop, desu.Miss me with that shit. I ain't nickle and diming my gameplay.
>>740688740Colin was significantly clearer when he said it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWOyyQpiH58>I will note I think there's become a modern version of the subscription that we've seen evolve over the last few years and even longer than that, in battle passes and paid battle passes where it it's basically a subscription kind of hidden and wrapped with other stuff around it. >And I think we've challenged ourselves to ask the same question. Can we make a game like this that doesn't have a subscription fee and doesn't have a battle pass fee buried in it as well?>Because we think players are sick of those two.
>>740692448We have lots of autists around. You'll be fine. We are playing a 20 year old game after all.
>>740693279Okay that's better. Kill all journalists.
>>740687257You don't understand the mechanisms at play.
>>740644546You will do your 20 minutes long dailies, your 10 minutes long event minigame and then log off and you will be happyAnd of course you won't talk with anyone in the process
>>740693180Just head over to wow and do both.
>>740666476Bro what the fuck are you talking about, this game practically throws gold at you.https://fast.farming-community.eu/farming/daily
>>740693585There are no mechanisms retard. Completionism is niche and quests are limited, you don't play.
>>740668482The only thing to do in GW1 is running elite dungeons with heroes instantly deleting mobs for you
>>740660281What exactly makes you stronger when all new content would be scaled to the new strongest?
>>740669403You can get 50 gold a day from doing fractals. If you really wanna be a retard and buy everything off the gem shop with real money, go for it, but even the whales in this game don’t do that If you hate the game, that’s fine, but having to lie about why you hate it is just pathetic
>>740696405By that logic, levels, gear, talents, and upgrades are pointless in every RPG ever made. The content scaling doesn't change the fact your character progressed to meet it. Otherwise you may as well delete progression systems entirely.
>>740644052People say this is bad, but all of it is less than one year you'd otherwise pay in sub fees.
>>740683770Some people who play GW2 are just really bad at the game and don’t know they could be making gold faster. I didn’t know this until around 2018 cuz I didn’t think some people were just that shitty, and especially not as many as GW2 seems to have. Idk if other games have this issue, but some people will just sit there making like 5 gold an hour doing map events all day and think they got this shit down.
>>740697131I made basically every legendary besides weapons and I feel like I've barely grinded for gold. I also still have like 10 legendary weapon kits in my bank and I'm going to start weapons soon. The wizard's vault is ridiculously good.
>>740697636I almost have every gen 2 weapon, but with the announcement of gw3, I’m giving up. Would have been cool to have gotten them all, but I remember the feeling when everything I had in GW1 was invalidated and Im not putting myself through that againPlus, GW2 on launch was barebones as fuck
You can try the game for free, and jump into PvP lobby to test any profession at max level to get a taste of the endgame build. You dont need to rush in and buy all the xpac, but there are some caveats buying each piecemeal. The worst part of the purchasable content is not the xpac, its the Living World Story pack that has a lot of ascended trinkets which in my opinion expensive as fuck and mandatory to have. Every Living story chapter has a map and a specific in game map currency to get the goodies and some mastery tied to it. If you decide to go this route you should save for LWS3 xpac at least because those have complete ascended equipments you will need.OR, you can just buy >>740662947 because they included the three expacs including the LWS with a pretty good deal without the headache, and everything past EoD is really meh gameplay wise except for SoTo weapon mastery. The especs, and stat combination from HoT, PoF and EoD is more than enough. The story is dogshit but the combat what kept me playing. it would be insane for me to shill this game and tell you its the best game ever because its not. But I will say its one of a kind game when it comes to gameplay that hits the right amount of smoothness and fluidity.
>>740682987Is there a quest where I can beat up faggots? I'd rather go that then go for a beer with Minister Based.
>>740697636I stopped playing after EoD and this makes me think all the stuff I grinded for is now worthless. Oh well
>>740699645it looks even worse than I remember
Name another MMO that has you be the roadie in a heavy metal concert which climaxes into fighting an elemental that spawns from the raw energy in the air
>>740643765gw3 is going to be the runescape3 of guild wars
>>740704942gw2 already happened 14 years ago
How bad is GW2 for the tranny playerbaseFF14 is filled with literal trannies/pedosIs GW2 as bad
>>740705241gw2 is the working mans mmo, its normal people for the most part unless you play spvp, then its free to play spics and retards
>>74064565715$ to create a new build template
>>740705241GW2 is the OG tranny MMO
>>740705936It is but they've all moved on to XIV luckily.
>>740658760stop acting like subscription mmos don't have predatory cash shops
>>740658760>what is the WoW® Token
>>740700713yeah it's called wvw
>It's F2P but you can spend money or ingame gold to buy QoL stuffI can hear the Bot farms and Gold Sellers farms firing up
>>740705241Angel McCoy left Anet something like a decade ago. There is one trans character in the game from that time and you need to go out of your way in order to find them.
>GW3 starts you with a single character slot and 20 inventory slots instead>Optional subscription to be able to host a Guild>Every content update between expansions is DLC
>>740707384maybe this time they won't launch with an infinite money glitch that permanently fucks the economy
>>740708081and, somehow, the writing has only gotten WORSE
>>740708229>every content update adds 5 special "lockpicks" and crafting materials that you need to store forever
If it has no tranny/pedo players I'll try itis ranger any good? I like my pet classes
>>740705745>the working mansTranny ans sjw aren't the working man, you fucking faggot
>>740710808Ranger is quite versatile. Don't know what the meta is nowadays, but Soulbeast is my favorite. Although this may be not for you since the main mechanic of that elite specialization is the ability to fuse with your pet for extra abilities. Druid is quite buff.You have literally nothing to lose, so just hop in and try it.
>>740708081>you need to go out of your way in order to find them.going near the fractal portal is "out of the way" to you?
>>740710808There's no such thing as a MMO without trannies and pedosIf you really want a classic pet play ranger, but if you're willing to be more flexible about it you may enjoy Necromancer or Engineer as well. Necro has minions and Engi has turrets and a mech companion (but that requires an expansion spec)
>>740710808Those players will persist to astroturf, but most of them only do their daily meta trains for attention whoring most of the time. Probably already moved on to FFXIV, because I don't see them much in festivals nowadays.Ranger is pretty OK. Good for PvE, WvW and PvP. Easy burst heals, somewhat ok rotation. I think there's no weak "classes" in GW2 most of the time, they all got a major rebalance recently. But there are gigabusted classes that for some reason never had any bad patches, namely Guardian and Mesmer and its especs. Everyone speculate its Anet's golden child. If you see a willbender teleporting to you just port out.
>>740711875>here's no such thing as a MMO without trannies and pedos>gw2 shill tries to damage control One of the newer quest force you to listen to a faggot moan his dead gay lover. Meanwhile Osrs remove pride event
>>740713308I think he was talking about players, not NPCs
>>740713550ThisI don't really give a fuck if faggots are in the gameI just don't want to play with 50 year old men pretending to be 18 year old girls
>>740714051Look where you're posting.
>>740714501I'm 19, sir.
>>740716282on god
>>740710808>If it has no tranny/pedo players I'll try itSir, this is a mmo
