Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss video game stuff related to Sonic!Movie, cartoon, and comic discussion is recommended to be posted in >>>/co/ . Thank you for your cooperation. /sthg/ #8778 - Let the speed mend it Edition==NEWS==>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Accolades Trailerhttps://youtu.be/C6BSu_x0gcE >Sonic Rumble arrives this Novemberhttps://x.com/Sonic_Rumble/status/1978491359452364988==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>SAGEhttp://sagexpo.org/>SHChttp://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4r>/sthg/ OCs:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive/>/sthg/ CyTube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixels:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>544431169
How would secret rings stages play in Sonic Generations?
Sonurge!
>>544485394You are playing a dangerous Gameboy.
>>544485394https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsWnKQgVEPsLove this song
>>544485394Where does Sonic celeb discussion go?
>>544484880No, it has literally everything to do with tanabata. It's only "bittersweet" because he had to sacrifice Blaze. He gets to enjoy being with her when its peaceful, but has to be seperated from her to preserve the peace. It's the emotional core of his character. Otherwise why the fuck would I care about him at all?It's also why Shadow sucks outside of Maria.
>>544485394You’re such a faggot pussy
Kissing Tails deeply.
>>544486008in the trash I hope.I'm mildly dissapointed you guys like talking about eceleb trash over coordinating crossworlds lobbies
>>544485394>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/
What’s your favorite movie? Mine is 3What’s your favorite cartoon? Mine is BoomWhat’s your favorite comic? Mine is Archie
>>544485440NTA but yeah, Unleashed isn't fully sincere. You can read interviews about how Sonic Team was desperately trying to appeal towards classic fans by changing Sonic's design to be more akin to his classic era self, featuring 2D sections, removing nearly the entire extended cast except for Tails & Amy, character development being reset(Look at Tails), and the beginning of meta era comedy that's shown with Eggman having a proto-Orobot. They even implemented chili dogs from SatAM and Archie to appease the classic fans as well.
>>544486124It is quite insane isn't it that /v/ needs its own set of threads because /sthg/ hates playing the games
Bun!
>>544486340Every jenhen pic has the same expression.
>>544486194TakenBatman TASFor the Man who has Everything
>>544486340awooga!!
06 was the last story that felt like it was in the same world as Sonic Adventure. Stop trying to push Unleashed as one of the good ones
>>544486487Squeezable rat
Realized Iizuka's Shadow is just Donte. Like his whole character and theme is literally just "Fuck you.".
>>544486782qts
>>544486715That’s because 06’s story was actually shit and ruined the allure of the “adventure feel”
>>544486058Tanabata is just the deja-vu and in-sync shit. It's not the core of his character you fucking idiot. It's just another theme.>Otherwise why the fuck would I care about him at all?>It's also why Shadow sucks outside of Maria.You don't know how to get invested in a character without a theme to slap into literally everything about them. You are deeply autistic.
>>544486920Can you fuck off?
>>544486780healing.
>>544486715Unleashed was one of the good ones. It was the last earnest Sonic story before we got buried in brainrotted self-aware slop.
>>544487023No
Video Games?yeah, she was in one of those.https://youtu.be/ANJ6PMEwpzI
>>544486537Can I request something?
>>544487174Black Knight
Douge
>>544487298>>>/vm/
Why are Sonicfags ITT pretending they wouldn't love it if someone like Krack or RandomFox got doxxed over Sonic or politics in Sonic?
>>544487616i just love krack
Tell me about that Sonic metroidvania idea you have, anon
>>544487616I have no problems with Randomfox.
>>544487512>>544487513Huh. I could've sworn Unleashed came after SatBK.
>>544487801Random is a psychopath
>>544487174There's nothing sincere about a game that changes its entire art style to look like some ugly western cartoon out of shame for the anime roots from 06 and before
>>544487801>implying it would be ok for Krak
>>544488170Unleashed's human style is as sincere as 06's. Sincerely ugly that is
>>544487013>it's not the core if his characterIt absolutely is. It's his arc. It's how he's marketed. It's how he's portrayed in everything. It's his most important relationship. It's a large percentage of his Sonic Channel art. It's his theme song. This is like enjoying Tails without liking Sonic. You just can't do it.>you don't know how to get invested in a characterI like Metal because he's cool, but I also like him because he wants to surpass Sonic. I don't like Silver as a character, but I also hate his tanabata shit. Like outside of his personality that's what he does and it sucks.
>>544487174This is literally false. Look at >>544486230
If you think of Unleashed as sincere you're a fucking tard. It's a slapdash game made in one year to apologize for 06. It has a shitty second play style where you play as the werehog that ONLY exists so that they wouldn't make another character playable because "Sonic's shitty friends.".
>>544485394>>544485650mend it mend it mend it mend it mend it mend it mend it mend it
Bratty blobians
Silver needs correction
>>544487616>this tranny thinks we agree with himSorry bro but we ain't got no problem with someone like Krack or RandomFox.
>>544488461You're stupid. It's not the fucking core of his character. You're a fucking moron that's trying to connect everything to one theme because you're retarded.
>>544489556Krack is an attention with a mental disorder and Random is a degenerate vorefag pedophile zionist.
>>544490178>Random is a degenerate vorefag pedophile zionist.What a combination. Even among Sonicfags that's really something.
>>544490178alright haterwe here at /sthg/ are frens
>>544490178Who cares?
>>544489784Yes it is. Silver and Blaze being "in-sync" is the most important thing that Sonic Team wants us to understand about them. Look at this Rumble key art:>Shadow racing Sonic>Knuckles busting boulders>Tails doing tech>Rouge seducing>Amy happily chasing with a hammerWhat are Silver and Blaze doing? Silver is holding a green firey blob while standing behind Shadow and next to Blaze in the same pose with actual fire. He's the third hedgehog and he's in-sync with Blaze. That's what he is.
>>544489556RandomFox is just a more coherent, more antagonistic Chris-Chan.
Okay, but unlike IDWfags they understand Sonic
>>544489784>>544490453 (Me)Standing next to Blaze with the same pose is literally all Silver has done for 20 fucking years.
>>544490453We know they're in sync but that's not the core of the character you retard. They don't even have the same pose in that art.
>>544490847That's not the same pose you blind idiot.
Silver and Blaze's dynamic is literally nothing but tell don't show, they can't force me to respect it.
tanabata is good for your character
>>544490847sex with amy
>>544490453Silver's character doesn't have a core. Sonic Team allows him to be depicted in any way anybody wants and doesn't say a word unlike Shadow who has strict mandates. Whatever you think Silver's character is can and will be changed by whoever partners with Sonic Team.
>>544486715Imagine liking 06's nonsense cluster fuck of a story compared to Unleashed's much more concise, efficient and more charming narrative. The only good part of 06's story was Shadow's section and characterisation since Sonic is borderline irrelevant in the game named after him and Silver's a narrative cancer.
>>544491073Most Silvaze shippers don't know or care about the implications of Tanatbata and only use it as confirmation of their relationship.
>>544490947>>544490849Yes it is lol. They do this literally all the time. Like just look at this >>544491073.>>544490849Silver's tanabata stuff is the core of his character. We literally had a whole game (Silver's debut game and his arc btw) about this. This is as retarded as denying "the core of Tails' chatacter is Sonic's sidekick". Like what you think he's a mechanic or something?>>544491186Because the only thing that Sonic Team cares about is being in-sync with Blaze.
>>544491557Silver didn't have an arc in 06.
>>544491372How many times do I have to repeat? Unleashed is openly ashamed of the series japanese roots.
>>544491557You know this "info" doesn't make people like Silver more but actively less right?
does silver's penis stay in the same pose as blaze's
>>544491642The one with animated shorts by a Japan based studio and ends with a combining temple mech fighting a kaiju?
>>544491557These >>544490847>>544490453 are not the same poses. You're blind and need to do them yourself if you think they're the same pose.>We literally had a whole game (Silver's debut game and his arc btw) about thisIt was a side plot that gets benched for half his story. Explain how that shit is the core of his character in Sonic Rivals or Forces.>>544491687That's what he wants. He literally said Silver sucks last thread and is constantly trying to push Tanabata as the only thing Silver can do.
>Is Silver helping save the world? >If yes, Blaze won't be there beside him>If no, it's a plot not meant to be taken too seriously and he's with BlazeWhy do you fight against the tanabata?
>>544491973That's not what Tanabata is.
>>544491932I mean I dislike Silver to, I just heard this Tanabata stuff so much that I think I'll slap someone on instinct if they said the word to me in person.
>>544490178EVERYONE in this thread has a mental disorderEVERYONE in this thread is a degenerate
>>544492293EVERYONE in this thread is cute
>>544491636His arc was learning that he must lose things to gain what he wants. It was poorly told but it was there
>>544492493No it wasn't.
>>544490527RandomFox is based because he doesn't want Sonic turning into gay furry SU cartoon
>>544492493No lesson, no arc.
Why do windfags keep calling IDW steven universe?
>>544491636Sure. It was a romantic tragedy, though.>>544491687What gave you the impression I liked Silver?>>544491932>these are not the same posesYes they are. I don't know why you are fighting this so hard, man.>explain howRivals is literal Canadian shovelware. Forces is Archie-esque gaijinslop. It's basically filler that Sonic Team doesn't care about.>it was a side plotNo it was the whole plot. It was the whole game. Every campaign was about choosing the one you loved over the world. Sonamy, Shadouge, Silvaze, and Sonelise.
>>544491636Yeah he did, his arc was showcasing how sometimes with franchises you love get burdened with a character who won't go away, is obnoxiously prominent and you have to tolerate at best as they don't phase out
>>544492773Because it's made by tumblrites that are invested in crying, exploring feelings and deconstructing things they don't understand.
>sthg would side with a literal sociopath as long as he agrees that Sonic is the windDoesn't this sound insane to you?
I love my husband, Shadow!
>>544492821>Yes they are. I don't know why you are fighting this so hard, man.You are fucking blind holy shit. Do the poses, they aren't the same.
Crazy how all birds are descended from Aliens, could you imagine if in real life just a group of people happened to have their ancestry be aliens?
>>544492964that whisper fanart really captured her essence
>>544493161explain this one >>544491073 then
>>544492821Now I'm sure you're just baiting, Tanabataschizo.
>>544493423 outside of the poses everything they've said is correct
Randomfox is insane and a fucked up windfag. He is a horrible representation of windfags.
>>544493334The babylon rogues are descended from aliens, not all birds.
>>544492773>>544492964
https://youtu.be/4LhNpcCtDO4?si=UF17AOwnLUsl8ZCT
Reposting these sonic level ideas
>>544493336it's actually pretty cute desunice big fangs
>>544493336Them putting fanart of Whisper crying in the comic is pure comedic gold.
>>544493531Maybe but he only says it to bait replies. He just hates Silver and the idea of his potential and is trying to reduce him to Tanabata to make people mad.
>>544493586Does anything concretely say that all the other birds aren't and it's just the 3 bird characters we see the most?
>>544494059Maybe the fact that they only ever say the babylon rogues are descended from aliens
>>544492773Why do you keep pretending that you and I have no idea what we're talking about? Look at>>544493590
>>544494059Only the Rogues are stated to be descendants of the Babylonians. That's why they're the Babylon Rogues.
>>544493856possibly. i see it as pointing out that silver being with blaze is one of silver's few consistencies along with time travelling to sonic's world
Blaze is racist
>>544494307cute
>>544493531"in-step" means the same pose.>>544493856I'm not baiting, I just want people to see these two are washed.>>544494287He's also consistently a "hero".
>>544494287Nah, he says he doesn't like Silver and is dedicated to this talking point. He says being in-sync is all that matters all the time >544491557 He's just baiting.
>544494545You are baiting.
>>544494108Yeah who are the only major bird characters we see, why would only some birds be related to aliens but apparently most of the others aren't?
MIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>544493590Krack did not win against Gigi. She only fed into the antagonism cycle that's exactly what progs want out of their opponents.
>>544494761No I'm not. This is just what they do.
>>544494906Shadow is a Black Arms hybrid. Does that mean every hedgehog is related to the Black Arms? Shadow is a quarter of the hedgehogs we see.
>>544494545If you're gonna bait can you at least post something sexy like Silver suckling Blaze boobs or sex make my penis hard and want to cum>>544494571Atleast he's Tanabatapilled
>>544494961Why do you accuse me of bringing up Twitter drama only to bring it up yourself? Nobody is "winning". You do nothing you lose, you fight back you lose, everyone is losing. It doesn't matter.
sonic x hatsune miku
>>544494187Because the Rogues are the only major bird characters we see, hell we don't even see what the original Babylonians look like, just see their hologram genie and their ancestral home
>>544495142Krack go spread this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m4kOAs8ztQ
>>544495142shh, just come here and let me hold you
>>544494957Dumb noodle
The tanabatafag might hate Silver and enjoy being obnoxious about it, but they are less wrong about what Silver is over supposed fans that go on and on about their potential fanfiction
'le (Model S)
>>544495208This is a stupid assumption to make. If all bird characters were meant to be descended from the Babylonians they would say that and not just Rogues. Dodon Pa is an alien too though so maybe all blobians are aliens, who know.
>>544495454I can't fucking stand this mad max Silver fanfic that is spreading everwhere but cannot support an actual narrative.
>>544495454Sega would greenlight potential fanfiction if they could. The last 20 years have just been them indulging in any cool sounding idea they come across and they don't care how Silver is depicted.
You guys are missing the point.Does Wave lay eggs???
>all this offtopic garbageWon't someone think of discussing Sonic the Hedgehog?
>>544495128Shadow is explicitly the only hedgehog we know is derived from Black Arms and the rest are just hedgehog's native to earth like the rest of the animal cast just have normal heritage by anthro standards not counting alternate continuity stuff. The 3 most prominent bird characters we have are explicitly descended from Babylonians which are aliens and they are all completely different bird species from each other. So even if not every bird is descended from aliens it has to be a notable amount but I'm willing to be wrong if the games followup on anything regarding Babylon or add more bird characters which I'd be happy with regardless as birds are just neat.
IN THIS BOARD, KRACK IS A HERO!! END OF STORY.
What does Krack think of the whiteboard?
>>544495676all blobians lay eggs
>>544495689No other birds have the hot-rod flames of the Rogues.
I remember someone doing a redraw of Sonic's internal dialogue during the metal virus arc and it just being something like "I have to keep moving" and that's it.
>>544495539But the thing is the Rogues are the only bird characters we get in the games so they are the only metric we have for what heritage the other birds would have or what backstory details much like Knuckles is the metric for anything regarding Echidna's. I'm obviously not counting Archie in this discussion since that's its own continuity and also not counting Longclaw in Speed Battle though the movies put Babylon details in the temples and stuff but that's more an Easter egg then hard evidence I'd agree. Dodon Pa is fucking weird, I'm not even curious to delve into anything regarding him like I'd love to with the Zeti or Black Arms and Babylonians.
>>544495952I doubt Bean is a descendent of the Babylons.
>>544486340>>544486782>>544486890“Ah gots me a may-un!”
>>544496076>ringlessRoundheel
>>544495884We don't see any other birds in the modern games......clearly what would clear this all up is if they just added more birds. Voluptuous bird babes or distinct avian villains if wanted specifics. Obviously there's plenty of interesting species choices like Wagtails, magpies, sparrows, macaws, pelicans and so on.
nostalgia for the 2000's is strange to me.
>>544496046Of course not, he's a The Dynamite
>>544496213Nostalgia for a period that is about 20 years ago is normal
>>544496143There are birds in Forces but those are toon town rejects. Non-main characters blobians are pretty non-existent for most of the series.
>>544493334>>544494059>>544494906>>544495208Archie really distorted discourse in this franchise because there are people who think whatever shit Ian spewed on its pages are canon enough to argue about.
Civilians aren't allowed to have cool designs like the real characters do, that'd devalue the people you're meant to like.
>>544496326I literally specified that I wasn't using Archie as an example though?
>>544495952>Rogues are the only bird characters we get in the games so they are the only metric we have for what heritage the other birdsYou are autistic.
>>544496416Archie is the only media that brought that shit up. You're clearly using it as reference.
Maybe all birds are Babylonian descendants and the Rouges are just an obscure supremacist group?Maybe most birds don't even know about the Babylonians?
>>544495305Anything in that video is likely familiar to me and my circle. Its origins are rooted in cruelty and people usually don't change their perspectives on it. I’d prefer not to discuss it here.>>544495841It's okay. I've joined a couple times and was treated politely. My opinion has become somewhat less favorable since I heard that some people are inviting non-/sthg/ users, but for the regulars, it's nice to see them creating what they enjoy and slowly improving at it over time. Overall I think it's a positive contribution to /sthg/. I miss things like the pixel world and the text world.
>>544496490I'm clearly just using Zero Gravity as an example as that's where the Babylon Rouge's being descended from aliens came from
>>544496564That doesn't mean birds in general are aliens.
>>544496462Am I wrong? Do we have other prominent bird characters in the modern games to dispute the idea that most aren't descended? I'm fully willing to be wrong and be corrected even if I'm autismo maximo.
Birds are niggers.
Hey everyone!!!Sonic is the windShadria is basedSonic is the windThe 2000s are coolSonic is the wind
>>544496721You're thinking l*zards
>>544496762Shutup lizard hater.>>544496746Scribbles.....why are you based?
>>544496762No no.I'm thinking filthy AVIANS.
>>544496704Do we have other birds to dispute the fact? Actually this whole discussion I'm actually having fun talking with anons is giving me an idea for a bird conspiracist character regarding the Babylonian stuff or some Alex Jones esque type. They'd have to be a loud and stubborn avian species I reckon.
>>544496952>"THEY'RE TURNING THE MAMMALS GAY!"
>>544496721Don't you have a puddle of water to puss out at? Also your ancestors were shit scavenging quadrupeds while mine warped space and gravity
bringing attention to the fact that egg-laying species are all flat in sonics universe (tikal wave)
>>544496869>>544496894Lizards have higher rates of aggression, less money, and two haircuts to their name.Worse than bugs.
>>544497018Now I'm just imagining how something like that Kanye West guest appearance would go lmao. It'd probably be someone decked out in Eggman esque getup instead of the ol Reich rags.
>>544497131Ever notice how the reptiles ain't starting shit but between Infinite or Dr Eggman the biggest non mechanical threats to people have been mammals? Curious?
>>544497040And your descendants are looters.
Why exactly do the Diamond Cutters cry so much?
>>544497302Have you ever realized how egg-laying allows parents to abandon their children before birth.Strange how lizards and bugs appear to be biologically geared towards fatherlessness.
>>544497478They are written by a male feminist and a woman that loves 06
>>544497478Because you let women write the franchise.Yes, flynn is a woman without the need for a dress.
>>544497478it's cute when whisper is vulnerable
>>544497591>Yes, flynn is a womanWhat?
>>544497706The novelty wears off when she never stops.
>>544497825He's a fag.
>Le Soon
Dark boy.
>>544497487In your bigotry you forget of the humble shingleback who is a birthing reptile and a strong parental figure or the humble gharial family unity where father figures aren't a mythical concept. Meanwhile mammal parents have no egg-laying and yet still abandon their young without a care as the seeming lack of any info regarding parents of the prominent mammal and rodent heroes Sonic, Tails and Shadow would attest.
Tell me how you feel about her
>>544497342Great looters to be precise
>people liked lanolin because she seemed similar to amy>she gets more screentime and is written like sally>everyone hates her nowlol
Starline was a scheming egg-laying f*ggot
>people liked lanolin because she has big boobs>nothing has changed
>>544498187She's the community's onahole.And disposable too.
>>544498187Genderswapped Pinocchio.Ugly, unlikable, and poorly written.Most IDW OCs only hold two of these traits.
>>544498187Interesting character. I kinda wish she'd share Sonic's delusions of being able to fix Robotnik.
>>544498187Ugly design, do not like
>>544498304>lays eggs>evilHmmm>named eggs>evilHMMM
The redpill is realizing he would be a better sonic character than belle.
>>544498304Yeah but he's evil cause he's a queer not cause he came from an egg
>>544498451Sonic would be his Jimminy
>>544498187Who?
>>544498472Aren't platypuses mammals?
>>544498571They're complicated.
>>544498606>they actually doWhat the fuck.
>>544498571Platypi should be what brings everyone together in acceptance but instead unites them in disgust and hate towards something that has all the things they sling judgement on one another
>>544498686next youll find out echidnas lay eggs
>>544498686Mammal fur, duck bill, venomous claws, they are undefinable.
>>544498472You sound like a featheroid. Post talons. Curse Babylon right now.
Starline diddles mammalian kids.He will never lay eggs.
>>544498782>venomous clawsWhat.>>544498779I literally don't know anything about Echidnas except that they challenge hyenas in weirdness.
>>544498806I ain't no damn beak, I belong to an actual genetically perfect race as our sacred anthem can attesthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S86XCXalbSE
>>544498978Yeah that's why Dr Starline has the cowboy spurs, Platypus have actual venomous spurs. It's also why Mimic is a shapeshifter since octopuses are camouflage animals....funny how the actual species thinking seems to go to the villains, also suppose Tangle's tail I guess?
>>544499213This is also why Lunar has big trapboy eyes. And webbed arms I guess.
>>544498946>Starline is a discordfag
>>544499390I dunno what animal Lunar is besides another boring ass mammal
>>544499213I knew for Mimic, but I had no idea platypusses (platypi?) were so weird. I need to check wikipedia, now I wonder if they're carnivorous or not.
>>544499494Sugarglider. It's like a flying squirrel.
*sniffffffffffffffffffffff*
>>544498978Has Archie ever been bold enough to imply hyena futacock?
>>544499572Oh yeah them, honestly whenever I think of the gliding flaps on animals or in media I just think of Varan the Unbelievable
>platypuses are special monotremes mammals >echidnas lay eggsNext you're gonna tell me blobians (outside archie) are a conglomerate of species who can only reproduce with their own race because speciation is too high.
>>544498187She is an Evan Stanley self insert.
>>544499508Yeah the Platypus is a carnivore. Honestly I'd love for more Sonic characters to be based on freaky sea animals or bizarre oddities like a Shingleback Lizard since they are birthing reptiles
>>544498571No, they're monotremes.They aren't a mammal, a reptile or a bird.
>>544499798Honestly? I just assume Sonic characters are just small humans when it comes to reproduction. There're too many complications if they all kept their animal parts.Like how will Vector and Vanilla work???
>>544500026>Like how will Vector and Vanilla work???They form infertile couples, vanilla has a child already.Also if you notice there is not a single mixed blobian, they're all purebred.I think i like this theory, it kills a lot of ships, 90% of them at least. I also like the context of a conglomerate of different industrial species, if you build it this way there's a lot of room for geopolitics.
>>544500298I remember Fang used to be half jerboa half wolf before they settled on him being just a jerboa. Also to be honest the ships that are just between characters of the same species are mad boring or dull.
Have you noticed cancel culture has died in the Sonic fanbase? I don't see huge callouts over minor shit anymore.
Charmy has the biggest "package" in the cast because he's a male bee.Vector has the smallest because he's a crocodile.
>>544500601Sonamy is still the most famous though, people in general choose their own tribe generally. The mixed rest is all platonic.
>>544500781Why you trying to slander Vector? Also by that logic he should be the strongest of the cast since he's a crocodile in a cast of animals smaller or about the size of a soccer ball
>>544500781>male bee.but male bees have no stinger
>>544500752Because everyone is slowly realizing you can't go over the internet and bitch without a backfire.
>>544500967Sonamy is the most famous but also makes it the most hated on the flip side. It's in a perfect equinox of being popular and unpopular. Also to be honest everyone in Sonic is platonic gamewise, there isn't gonna be any romantic development so enjoy what you want to enjoy and dislike what you want but don't delude into thinking one is gonna be canon over another.
>>544501075Reminds me how bunch of people tried cancelling certain Vanoss members but the ones that didn't do crimes or actual dick behaviour just bounced back afterwards in the case of Lui or Delirious
>>544501014Yes, instead they have an ovipositor, that they can still sting with, they just don't have venom, for reasons that should be obvious.
>>544501087>Sonamy is the most famous but also makes it the most hated on the flip side.This is true sonamy, shadouge and silvaze. I'd argue that their canonicity is definitely a factor when it comes to the hate they get.
>>544501218unrelated but, It makes me laugh not even a month ago somone tried to create a bot to expose tf2 players saying nigger on competitive matches. It backfired massively because all the major tf2 youtubers said at least an hard R online:https://youtu.be/xTwWZQ7Cfw8?si=ZRvcKi6mDOp5z1UhThe owner later closed the site.
>>544501293other way around, only females can have those, the stinger and the ovipositor are one in the same.
>>544499832Why the fuck is a carnivorous venomous? Isn't it counter-intuitive?>hey imma eat that guy>let me poison him first>>544500002THEY ARE ABSOMINATION
>>544501614Venom isn't poisonous.
>>544501310Well, I could probably name few other reasons why Silvaze gets scorn just by going on past threads and I'd say it's canon status is debatable but I'm not unbiased on that topic so I'll leave it at that. Honestly there is a fun to having a niche ship so you have to figure how the characterisation would work or how to not break the characterisation and more so bend it to work especially with pairings of good characters with evil ones
>>544501689It's venomous, same. If you eat it, you're sick.
>>544501614Seems to work well for the Blue Ring Octopus, Scorpions and snakes. Maybe the poison is like putting sauce on the food or in this case inside it.
>>544501827That's a blessing if you're resistant to your own toxin, but it doesn't seem to be a given, frankly.
>>544501423Like there's such an obvious distinction of saying slurs for fun and shock and having genuine intention behind it. It's no different to joking about rape, cannibalism, murder and other taboo topics since intent, context and company heavily dictate that.
>>544501870That'd certainly of fucked over the poison tree frog if they were not immune to their own sauce
>>544501989Absolutely, but because this entire economy is sustained by neurotic idiots decontextualizing every word, you generally get a chimpout over a stupid banter.Still, eventually people stop policing each other, unlike autists who never get bored.
Shadria in the night
>>544501423>The owner later closed the site.slurs.tf is very much functional rn
>>544503247Thanks for the follow list
>>544485394No more anti-silver remarks /sthg/. They’re hurtful, and they’re destructive.
>>544503868make silver a girl
>>544503247that unfiltered stuff makes me nostalgic
>>544504237replace satamic with movienic. movienic is literally naruto.>beat up the new guy>talk no jutsu>new guy not "bad" anymore
>>544503868Silver should have a villain from ancient history named Bronze
>>544504412>movienic is literally naruto.you just expanded my brain
>>544504568Je vais couler un bronze.Personne ne va la comprendre, ahuehuehuehue...
>>544504412This is why Silver shouldn't be in
>>544504812fortunately wikidictionary came to the rescue>to parachute a Senegalesedo frenchmen really
>>544504938Well I never heard that one. Sounds like what my grandfather would say.
>>544504812https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNj8beDWVWU
>>544504985Fuck is that? It's UGLY.
>>544505302It's just Count Dooku, no need to be rude
>>544504812
My husband...
and every night, I will be with you~~~~
We all know how many Sonic games have bad Level Design, but which one has the best Level Design, overall?
sonic cd
>>544506905Sonic 3.
>>544503868Only cute silver posting from now on
>>544503247Slur tf came back after he chickened out, fucking redditor faggit is now censoring major tf2 names like shounic.Many of these motherfuckers used to call for zesty's cancellation when he actually had zero n words and bigotry stuff, the hypocrisy.
>>544507104this is gay
>>544507417That's a cool as hell chaos. Also I think it'd be much funnier if Sonic movie 6 is a Lost World adaption with the Deadly Six as the main focus
Who cares krock
>>544508003I care
>>544496717>Do we have other prominent bird characters in the modern games to dispute the idea that most aren't descended?You are autistic, Ian.
>>544508098You dont need to reply to me Kr4ck, I know
>>544507542I want this to be real, but it looks like it will give me diabeetus.>>544507905These people so annoying. They don't even play the games.
>>544507150>fucking redditor faggit is now censoring major tf2 names like shounic.Swear to god, these types are ALWAYS in lockstep. Is there some sort of hivemind for faggots to circle their wagons?
>>544506526>POV: You're chillin wit Silver
>>544508003The fuck you want?
>>544508003>>544508171>censoring words on 4chanKill yourself Tumblrweed.
>>544508110I'm not Ian since I think lesbians are boring in media and I'm upfront on which game characters I don't like lmao. Anyway I can either double down on the idea of all birds being descended from Babylon aliens or I can let my autism compromise by saying It's more likely that birds were always on Mobius it's just plenty of the current one have Babylon heritage just in varying amounts with some maybe having none.
>>544508428Censoring because Kr0ck has filters you dumb fuck
>>544508315America mass produces them.
>>544507905I've no beef with trans people since not met any but it is obnoxious how much they want to make any faucet of fiction and discussion about themselves.
>>544507104>shiruba-kun.. I need Cock... Right Now! >shadow what the hell man you're fucking gay dude!
>>544508481Nobody cares nigger. Speak properly or rope.
>>544508476>Mobius
>>544508481You mean slashy, he's the butthurt libshit with filters and searching his own name on the archives.
There is a concerning amount of Shadilver art in my folder.
'ex with 'ack
>>544508713Speaking of libshits anyone notice there's a tranny here massreporting anything that offends him?Why do pozzed faggots visit an uncensored imageboard instead of going to the 6000000 spaces already dedicated to pozzed faggotry?
>>544508610Fucking hell I didn't actually catch that slip lmao. I think cause you said Ian that had my brain flatline into we were discussing Archie instead of the games halfway through my post. Thanks for spotting that actually, I meant to say earth since was talking game lore and that was a genuine fuckup my end
>>544508792I love mechanization, cybernetics and body horror.
>>544508579Shadow is that gay rapist movies warned you about
Im dissapointed that Rusty Rose x Bunnie hasnt became a thing at all
>>544508960Bunnie has a husband but I am surprised there isn't more crossover art of them fighting or interacting at all
>>544509104>Bunnie has a husbandWho cares
>>544509104>Bunnie has a husbandarchie isn't canon
Archie is OOC, Bunnie is unmarried and Antoine is a coward.
>>544508476>MobiusThis tells me everything I need to know about your headcanon, retard.
>>544509323Are we really gonna argue what's canon about a character that's just in Satam, Archie and Sonic Spinball?
>>544509415That was a genuine mistake my end since he mentioned Ian but also didn't ask what you think cocksucker
Bunnie is canon and she's married to me.
>>544508720Just a wholesome fatherxson moment
>>544509767now draw her shopping for wonderbread
>>544509767Why would Metal do this
>>544508960>>544509104
No touch foxo.Penalty: 4 hundred billion years in prison.
>>544510368If someone hasn't drawn them colliding their telescopic fists then that's just shameful
Werehog's semenNggggggh
they should fuck
GOOD MORNING!!!
>>544486189Nobody cares bobo
>>544510429
Ok I'm genuinely annoyed at myself that I made that slip up
>>544509639
>>544510885Good morning.
*wink*
>>544510954What slipup
>>544510912'iona went to prison, but she escaped.
How do we fix Knuckles?
>>544510870
>>544511146Unironically saying Mobius instead of Earth completely by mistake, I was even being sure earlier to specify I was talking the games only regarding Babylon stuff
*clears throat*MOBIUS
>>544511330I dunno, maybe give him a unique enemy, some echidna shit to find out or discover something about the Master Emerald
erm.. I think you mean Sonic's world
>>544511382nta but archiefags are inherently associated with headcanons about sonic character species affecting their personality or heritage in ways that don't exist in the game. Accidentally saying "Mobius" was a red flag for the people arguing with you that you don't "understand the series" as they call it.
>>544511478
>>544510781Tails..
>>544511762>Fans make Silver more and more gay>Fans make Blaze more and more racist
Engineering is just throwing shit at the wall until something sticks.
>>544511221At least she's safely contained in the void now.
>>544512080Frontiers Tails is embarrassing.
>>544511665That's the thing though I do understand the vital distinctions in characterisation, writing, tone, setting elements and style or direction with the various adaptions to each other and also the game continuity but this one slip up actually is pissing myself off that I did such a simple fuckup cause I got called Ian. Like species politics doesn't remotely exist in the games, most focus regarding species is Knuckles with the echidna stuff in Adventure 1/ the non canon Chronicles Dark Brotherhood or the Babylon Rogues with Babylon and Sonic not wanting to be called a rat by Erazor Djinn since that's not what he is. Sonic doesn't give a fuck why he's a hedgehog in any version nor should he and Tails doesn't really care why he has 2 tails.
Me x Tikal
>>544512090>safelyShe often leaks into alternative universes to cause turmoil. This makes her an eldritch horror.
>Crash Netflix series
>>544512184>Tails is embarrassingftfy
Since some were talking about outcome memories last thread I want to remind some that if you turn off the ability to play exe you have NO RIGHT to bitch about how the exe plays when you're losing.
>>544512560Tikal didn't leave behind a body.
Happy Halloween anons
>>544512706>netflix will make crash homosexual and coco an ugly ass stronk womyn>this feeds into crashdow inevitably
Netflix Crash is going to be automatically better than Sonic Prime anyway
>>544490453>>544490847You're basically implying that the core of Silver's character is just "Nega-Blaze", the same way Blaze is "Nega-Sonic".
>>544513076I intend to never find out.
I'm DEMOTING you to scrub monkey third class! Now go and mop up the dungeon!
>Silver was conceived by turning Sonic white on the monitor as a test
>>544510974This picture wounds me on a psychological level.
Sonic gently leading Surge away by the hand into a meadow of flowers so she can finally appreciate the beauty of the world
Sonic plapping Surge into redemption
>Some UK blog about games>the post is about E3 2006>comments>Silver.... The Hedgehog... *sigh*.... How does that work, is he good or evil? Or one of those middle of road thing's like Knuckles..?>Maybe he can be both, who knows. The point is: he's a freakin' JEDI!! Picking up cars and hiffin' them around... now THAT's Chaos ControlThis general would be a lot better if we acted like the second guybut on the other hand he also said>Is it me though, or should Sega have put Shadow out to pasture? Just having him in the game (driving a humvee around, no less) could put people off. Still, keep your fingers crossed - maybe this new hedgehog uses a Force-choke on him at the end
Sonic raping Surge until pregnancy.
Sonic and Surge spending a warm Christmas together making gingerbeead cookies
>>544515078>Or one of those middle of road thing's like Knuckles..?How the fuck is Knuckles "middle of the road"?
Did you know that the company who made the opening cutscene for Sonic Riders also made Ghost in the Shell
>>544515263maybe this fag was influenced by Sonic X, idk
Xfags are gettign uppity about their show being "perfectly in character" again
The Sonic fandom...annoys me. Even when it's not annoying to other people or being purposely stupid. When I engage with fancontent or discussions, every minor inaccuracy irks me.Like using "Gaia" or "Chaos" in place of "God" when Christianity exists in-universe, Sonic even says "Jesus." Or when I look at some fanfic out of boredom and at the end they say all they know is Snapcube. Or when I see fanart that gives Shadow a belly button, why would he have a belly button when he was tube-grown? Or when they make Sonic talk with too many contractions, that's a RCS-ism, Sonicwouldn't say "y'all" like a Xw*tter user. Or...I could go on and on. To get to the point, it makes engaging in anything fairly unfun. I don't want to feel the autistic urge to correct it, but I do.The rational part of me realizes most people are not going to invest a ton of time into learning what is and isn't headcanon in a blue hedgehog franchise, and it's unreasonable to expect them to have an encyclopedic knowledge of it. Yet that never stops the twinge of annoyance I feel. And if I do try to correct minor things, others will become annoyed with me as well.Even this harmless cute fanart. They don't have paws, they have blobs, so it's wrong. Literally who cares about that except me? Why is it even important to me in the first place? Did the featureless blob feet have value in my life? No. So why do I still need it to be "right"? No idea.I wish I could unlearn stuff about Sonic, because it's so grating to constantly think "He wouldn't say that tho," or "He wouldn't make that expression tho," or "Uhh, ackshually, [headcanon] is wrong because [completely irrelevant forgotten info only accessible via Wayback Machine]". And since fans are working on Sonic, they've started putting the inaccuracies directly into the actual media, increasing my urge to stamp out said inaccuracies before an official mistakes them for canon.I don't really know what to do about this. There's no autism vaccine.
can't you just focus on shadou
>>544515876Dogfucker post
>>544515078Classic fans really fucking hated Shadow back in the day when they were the majority.
>try the before:year gimmick on google>i can only go as far as 2008sad
>>544515876>I wish I could unlearn stuff about Sonic,I can empathize, but I don't feel this way. I felt something seriously off when IDW was new and fans were readily praising it as "game-like". I don't even dislike IDW but similar to Archie it's just too easy to clock when it does something the games would never do. For some reason I'm just numb to OOC and character debates. I can enjoy Movie Sonic and Prime Sonic on their own terms. Fans who misconceive the traits of IDW and Archie and the like as canon behaviors are silly but I feel like they're ultimately without consequence.
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG
>>544515876Because belly buttons are sexy you stupid pleb
>>544515690Idwbros, please shut up
>>544516047You love dogs
Anti Tails was lame
>>544518242Just like Regular Tails
Tails is lame
Nine was good
>>544517449Funny bunny
>>544517449 Cream and Vanilla with rabbit buckteeth look ugly, don't do it artists
>>544485394Who allowed this OP? I didn't know we let babies make these threads, how soft. I don't even like the comical, but now Im going to discuss them purely because the OP had a fit.
>>544517449Cream and Vanilla with rabbit buckteeth look funny and cute, do this more artists
Tails is cool
You know what nevermind. If it's Tailapedo hours it might just not be worth posting right now.
>>544515976But they get stuff wrong about Shadou and they need to be right about Shadou or I'll harm myself and/or others.>>544516213>I felt something seriously off when IDW was new and fans were readily praising it as "game-like". I wasn't *as* bad about this stuff when IDW started since I was like 16 and newer to Sonic, but even still, I felt IDW was off from maybe issue 2. It felt too...Archie I guess, but not Archie enough at the same time. Like they took Archie but neutered it, and I never even particularly liked Archie. The insistence that it was completely in-character was very annoying and I used to get into a ton of debates about it, I think they finally gave up and now they simply call game Sonic ("Windnic") shit and boring. I prefer them calling it shit over them insisting IDW is in-character when it's not. I don't like Prime as much, it's...okay. But the movie versions for whatever reason do not trigger me much unlike almost every other Western series does. Maybe it's the fact that the movies are extremely costly and profitable endeavors that have saved this franchise's sales. Maybe it's the fact that fans don't seem to mistake the lore of game Sonic and movie Sonic much. Maybe it's the different designs, or the fact that they had an absolute disaster set up before people bullied them into fixing it. I'm not sure. But the movies are okay even though I'm autistically anti-West./blog>>544516406Yes but it makes no SENSE. It has to make SENSE or I can't goon to it.
I ain't reading that text wall
>>544519142>they need to be right about Shadou or I'll harm myself and/or others.pls don't
>>544518764>because the OP had a fit.not the first time. it's that archieschizo who keeps spamming "westshit le bad. japanese le good"
>>544519142I detest the term "windnic"for that reason. I agree, it's better they openly acknowledge the differences and their biases than pretend it's representative of the same character.
>>544519241good to know nigger now go back to twitter, this is a discussion site for adults
blazefags are freakyno other fags are as freaky
>>544519454but you're an attentionwhore on twitter
>>544519090Good we won’t miss you
>>544519505back. asap.
Tails pouting.
>>544519681not even denying it
>>544519816*12 Whoops
>fails at basic math
We are halfway through the current decade of Sonic. The 2000s were edgy, the 2010s were goofy. What is the current "thing"?
>>544520136Ianism. We need Pontaff back immediately.
>>544519967>>544519816Guess good timing with my Zeena comm spree then
>>544520362Why Pontaff in particular?
>>544487350yeah unless it sucks
>>544520362Fuck Pontaff
>>544520362>Wanting Pontaff back over IanI genuinely don't get this mindset, especially after having years of people saying they'd of rather had Ian then Pontaff writing the games
>>544519823AIslop
>>544520362I get being sick of Ian but there is no way you hate him enough to want Pontaff back
>>544517245You just ruined my day.
>>544520664Usually making fun of Silver only improves the mood
>>544520435Rouge in Amy clothing Breast grope
>>544520716Ruining a Silverfag’s day brings pleasure to all
>>544517245Says the fucking pink Sonic
>>544520136Melodramatic
>>544519481Hey isn't that artist who cried like a bitch when told cucking is bad?
>>544521149cucking Silver is the only acceptable cucking in this franchise
>>544521149Nobody fucking cares about your vendetta against an artist that blocked you
>>544520965Least we don't cry and spam like you retards
>>544520716>>544520965Fuck you i hope your favorite character gets mischaracterized to oblivion
>>544519481Hey I know this artist. I told to xher to stop making cuck content because it's weird and zhe blocked me. Why are basednazetards like this?
>derailing the thread againSo, can we talking about some good characters instead?
>>544521373Nigga…
>>544521680The Biolizard is pretty neat, wanna talk about that?
>>544521373That’s every character besides Sonic and Shadow. The difference is Silver was never good
>>544521751I also like the Biolizard
>>544519481>Cuckartist still at itWhy Blazefags ask for retribution for shitaze yet their content is them just raping her? do they want canon shitaze just to get raped to make her better?
>>544521895Yeah I liked in Shadow Generations when they gave it those cable arms surrounded by the pink orbs and I find something oddly charming about how it has weird flipper back legs in its game appearances. I do find it odd how often it's roar changed though since it has the Dark Gaia Phoenix screech while Metal Overlord has it's panther roar.
Deep down, Silverfags know he sucks. They just won't admit it.
>>544522257He sucks my cock and I like it
Sonic
Silver should get a new villain solely just cause I want to root for them to pummel that psionic shithead
>>544522256that was awesome
>>544522421Can be used as a pillow
>>544522421A pedophile, cause she's a pedophile.
>>544522423BASED
Unpopular take but I enjoyed Sonic Colors' story and I was okay with Lost World for the first half of it.Pontaff was actually starting to get some decent results with TSR as there were some legitimately great moments there.
>>544521316But you do
>>544522476Yeah, he's one of my fave of the final boss monsters besides Perfect Chaos and Dark Gaia. I actually was a little disappointed it wasn't in the Sonic 3 movie but I did like the cameo of it as a black and white movie monster.
>>544522423As if Silver power can be challenged by any foe
>>544519481You just know a woman drew this.
>Flynn used to be the writer>now demoted to scrub monkey third classHas anyone ever fallen so far in the history of Sonic community?
>>544520419Because we need to return to tradition, to the good old days.>>544520470I brought up that third point the other day, environmentalism is all about conservation. Throughout a lot of the Sonic franchise, there's been a clear theme: we shouldn’t be messing with the natural order of things. The Classics make it clear. Don’t meddle with nature or create pollution that wrecks our world. Carelessly using the lives of others for personal gain is bad. Simple enough.As the series progressed into the Adventure era, this simple "don’t mess with nature" message evolved into stories warning against meddling with powers beyond our control. The Echidnas were wiped out by Chaos for attempting to control everything, and Gerald suffered a terrible fate for trying to cheat death itself. Gerald had studied the Echidnas, long gone by then, yet he still fell into the trap of trying to play God. They both bit off more than they could chew, overstepped their boundaries, and both they - along with innocents - died for it. Anyone trying to force a specific political ideology onto Sonic is a brainlet who is missing the point entirely. Sonic as a franchise is rooted in fundamental values that most people share, values that transcend politics. We each have our own ways of believing those values should be upheld, but at our core, a lot of us share the same hopes and dreams. We wish for happiness, health, safety, freedom, and harmony with the natural world in this age of technology. Sonic would want that for everybody.
mitosis
>>544522575Not sure what would counter or contrast psychic power in my sleep deprived state. I still think a past villain named Bronze could have a hook or maybe a Kang the Conqueror style bad guy
>>544522958He still is the writer?
Reposting this blog post from Evan Stanley.
>>544522905You mean besides Infinite mauling him, Shadow's leg to the back of his head or Sonic burying him under rubble in Generations?
>>544523026>Because we need to return to tradition, to the good old days.Pontaff?
>>544523152kys slashy
>>544523164He tanked that
>>544522905At least Silver held his own better than Sonic and Shadow Reminder while Sonic and Shadow were doing fuck all Silver and Espio held it down
Sonic redeeming Surge
>>544523348Held what down?
>>544522720Still conversing in arguments and not having melties and spam consecutive gotchas posts about fuck-all.
>>544523237>>544523348Whoopies meant to reply to this fodder >>544523329Silver defense stat is surprisingly decent
Sonic characters for this feel?
>>544523465The resistance Silver and Espio were confirmed to be the only heavy hitters on the team until Sonic was rescued and Shadow...whatever he was up to
>>544523237Nta but>Infinite who raped Sonic>Shadow who cheated like a fag>Sonic bending his knees twice when fighting him but having a chance when "having a test without any grabs"It's as a retarded take as Blaze beating Knuckles with one attack.
Shadow cumming in Sonic
>>544523528Sonic was jumped by Infinite and the 4 copies, Silver got pummeled just by Infinite on his own then had to be bailed out by Sonic. I've got no shade for Espio, I like him
>>544523152LMAOOOOO>"I'm still quite new to writing at this scale, and I've been learning a lot about how to introduce a character and pace out a storyline"BITCH YOU'RE THE HEAD WRITER"Learning how to introduce a character" holy fucking shit that's like Writing 101. That's the kind of shit you figure out BEFORE you get hired to write a major licensed comic, not while you're actively fucking it up in real time.This entire word salad basically translates to "yeah I had no idea what I was doing with Belle, stretched her out way too long because I didn't know how to pace a story, and would've done it completely differently if I actually knew how to write but oopsie teehee I'm learning uwu">"opening with her origin would have been a more impactful intro">"It'd also have cut down significantly on the extended exposition/reveal"SO YOU KNEW THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT BUT DID IT WORSE ANYWAY??? AND YOU'RE ADMITTING THIS PUBLICLY???This is literally a confession that she doesn't know basic story structure. Character introductions are FOUNDATIONAL writing shit. You learn that in high school creative writing class. And she's out here like "yeah I'm still figuring out how stories work lol" while being in charge of a corporate comic.Get her the FUCK out of the head writer position. This is embarrassing. You don't get to "learn on the job" when you're writing for a franchise this big. Hire someone who actually knows what they're doing instead of treating IDW Sonic like Evan's practice notebook.
>>544523545Sonadowfags really only have two types of fanart. Rape and Gay Rape
>>544523545>>544523760stopyou're making me gay>>544523651sticks and anyone
I kind of feel bad for Evan. She just wants to do cute SOL stuff and things get really messy when she tries to write stakes.
>>544523652How are Vector and Knuckles also not considered heavy hitters? Like Knuckles is a terrible leader but as a fighter he's up there or at least used to be regarded as such?
>>544523919No she actually wants to write the big giant stories.
>>544523891and it's hot
https://files.catbox.moe/afyr38.png
>>544524052Knuckles was busy leading people to their doom he didn't do any frighting until the ending Vector is afterthought
Espio running low on chakra after two attacks
>>544523752>Shadow cheatedThat's absolutely audacious since Silver would be absolutely nothing without his psychic powers as a crutch. Also you saying test without any grabs statement is absolute copium since Silver is flinging psychic blades, a meteor of garbage and using his powers to levitate yet Sonic still battered him.
>>544523849Evan was only put in as head writer because the editor was not fond of Flynn
We were really supposed to believe that several people powerful and at least up to par with Sonic got their butts kicked for six months and couldn't do anything until he came back.
>>544524449Is there ONE comic editor in the entire industry who can do their job right?
>>544524504No one is up to par with Sonic
>>544524504Sonic is the wind?
>>544524203My guy Vector always gets shafted as a fighter, Archie also downplayed his physical strength compared to everyone else who had it played up often. Suppose Vector still did well against the illusion army at least at the end....actually wouldn't Vector leading make more sense then Knuckles comparatively?
Imagine using chaos emerald powers and still losingSonic and Silver > Shadow
Sonic? The Wind
Why didn't Knuckles use the Master Emerald to nuke Eggman and his entire army in one go? Is he stupid?
>>544524717Sonic the *BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP*
>>544524583Did you ever see that editor's view on the economy?He said that if you have enough money to easily pay your bills you are evil.
>>544523919I don't, Ghosts of the Future is wank and I spit on its grave
The worst part about Forces was that like 90% of the story happens during in-game dialog which you can easily miss if you're trying to focus on the game. They're just non-stop yapping.Also Egg Dragoon jobbing was fucked up. I get they only included it because of asset reuss.
>>544524861Given how often the Egg Dragoon is used in the games I would like to control it sometime.
Blaze showing up for the metal virus was funny
>>544524817The Phantom Ruby is hacks remember
Whisper also did her fair share of helping
>>544523919>>544524860Yeah fuck you Evan we(The Silver Chads) despise you so much it's unreal. Go back to writing fanfic in your bedroom you stupid bitch
>>544525238...I could ALMOST let that slide, but then you have to ask, why didn't Eggman take it? He could essentially stop everyone but him from using it.
>>544524435>Silver would be absolutely nothing without his psychic powers as a crutchShadow would be nothing without his shoes and chaos powersSonic would be nothing without his speedWhat's your point?
>>544525409But Evan is the reason Silver gets so much screentime in IDW. He has ten times as much as Shadow now!
>>544525407Thank God Whisper beat the fraud allegations
>>544524697Imagine having telekinesis and losing ever Everyone > Shitver
>>544524435>yet Sonic still battered himThe absolute copium of many you surface level tards is so fucking kek worthy, Silver with all of that was still going easy on him, and he's still up and away after that meteor crash and asks him to go again just for fun, Sonic got a concussion and had to take a breather and run away when silver actually done fighting him.
>>544525468Eh new toy that's just as powerful also he had back ups in place like neo metal that apparently took forever to complete the entirety of the war
>>544525660Imagine being so mindbroken by Silver because of just his power
>>544525590SLOPPY
Remember that this fanbase is largely populated by this kind of people
>Refuses to ever be weak and helpless again after the war
>>544526043ok quasar
>>544525660Sonic and Silver are all achievable natty. Shadow needs: shoes only he can use, rings to make him not kill himself, a chaos emerald so he feels he has special snowflake powers. He is a fraud fake hero
>>544526043They understand Sonic
>>544526013OOOOOWWWWWSLOPPY SLOPPY SLOPPY SLOPPYOOOOOOWWWSLOPPY SLOPPY SLOPPY SLOPPYOOOOOOOOOWWSLOPPY SLOP SLOPPYOOOOOOOWWWWSLOP SLOP SLOP SLOPOOOOOOOOWWWWSLOPPYY
>>544526043WhatWouldn't nazis say exactly what?
>>544525557In what dimension is that good? apart from his super form, Silver massive screentime only got him jobbing to everything, even a fucking OC.
I have no leg in this race but I find it tiresome that people start using satam Sonic as evidence for this whole freedom and oppression debate
>shows up>can't keep on what it can actually do consistent>leaves
>>544526090Silver is literally nothing without his bullshit psychic powers that no one even understands. He is the biggest fakest fraud of all
>>544526127Leftists don't know what they themselves are anymore
>>544524861I hate that the cool new Mecha's Dr Eggman fights you with at the end are just called Death Egg Robot when it's clearly something completely different and isn't even on the Death Egg, like give it an original name christ.
>>544526043Palestine teaches its children that the Holocaust was a hoax and Israel was created as a refugee from Nazism. Some people are so backwards but we can't let them define the Sonic fanbase
>>544526064Silver and the Diamond cutters giving her grace instead of shaming her back to her boring Becky life was who idea????
>>544526115Im gonna main Cream againShe's so good
>>544526251>Silver is literally nothing without his bullshit psychic powers that no one even understands. He is the biggest fakest fraud of allThis goes with every Sonic character powers and traits.
>>544525557https://youtu.be/hbKsvVNSOyM?feature=shared
>>544525409I hate Ghost of the Future cause it's Silver focused shit though
>>544525731>Silver with all of that was still going easy on him, and he's still up and away after that meteor crash and asks him to go again just for fun, Sonic got a concussion and had to take a breather and run away when silver actually done fighting him.Literal fanfiction.
>>544526206I wonder what this little rascal of a rock is up to
>>544526102Sonic would support Israel
>>544526251Reminder that Sonic and Shadow fell from the sky and got their skulls so badly injured they developed amnesia, meanwhile Silver got up to fight Zavok.
>>544526272I felt the same way.
>>544526251>no one understands his PSI powersAre you being dense on purpose
>>544526297Some people wanted her to get the Cassie treatment kek
>>544518764It's perfectly understandable when the last thread was literally 99% IDW discussion and nothing else, as several anons said "There's no reason for us to not go to /co/ when nobody wants to discuss the actual games".
>>544526361Sonic is fast. Tails can fly and is smart. Knuckles is strong. These are simple traits that don’t need any complex explanations or bullshit hand-waving. Shadow and Silver cannot say this, the difference is that Shadow had a good character arc and came from a good game/story
>>544526206I thought it could fuck with space and time? and other tiny abilities besides that aparently
>>544526252Well, not literally anyway. I doubt a nazi would literally fuck a Jewish girl.
>>544526402This is the issue with some you fakefags, you don't know what you're talking about and dive deep in denial and you learn.
>>544525482Shadow and Sonic can actually physically fight people without just relying on their speed or obvious powers. Silver is purely reliant on his psychic powers to have any capability, guy can't even get into a ball
>>544526498You can’t just have one character (and no one else) have psychic powers without explaining where they came from. That’s called being a mary sue
>>544526693Have you ever seen Blaze or Marine
>>544526064I still can't believe they handled Lanolin the way they did because of retards on X.
>>544526064
>>544526676Shadow and Sonic rely heavily on their speed to fight, Silver can fight pretty well without his powers and can curl into a ball in rivals 1 & rivals2
>>544526808Made for mind break rape
>>544526676>Shadow and Sonic can actually physically fight people without just relying on their speed or obvious powers. Silver is purely reliant on his psychic powers to have any capability, guy can't even get into a ballName the last time Shadow and Sonic fought without running at all or teleporting at all. Must be next to none.
>>544526361Vector is cool even without being strong since he's a detective and a man of the people
>>544526897Originally made to be IDW's Sally but, much like with Surge, something went wrong.
>PowerfaggingCalm down Silverschizo, no one can beat you we promise
>>544526742Those are elemental powers, nowhere near as OP as telekinesis
>>544527029Silver is cool without his powers since he's a timetraveler that puts the world on his shoulders naturally.See?
>>544526742Well maybe if they got some focus we might some explanations
Why do we just assume Silver has incredible telekinesis when in the end of the day we know he is somehow less effective than Sonic
>>544527168Elements don't exist only on the periodic table
>>544527321Sonic Generations boss fight
>>544527261Silver isn't cool.
Telekinesis powers are cool
>>544527261He ain’t putting shit on his shoulders without his power
>>544526857When has Silver fought without his psychic abilities? I've never seen that guy throw a punch in his life
I'm glad you're still reasonable.
>>544527321Because it's Sonic?
>>544526808>ask for proof>give no proof>LANOLIN=SATANGod this fandom drama was dumb.
>>544525482>>544526361It's just the dumb Silver detractors handing out fraud strays to the entire Sonic cast unknowingly again.
>>544527423Forces.
Forces is a garbage game with horrendous writing and everything from it should be disregarded
>>544527468What's up with you and his powers? you're telling us Sonic would still be a hero without his super speed?
>>544527598What can Silver actually do if he wasn't psychic?
>>544527636>But it's Windpilled....
>>544527693Speed isn’t a “power” it’s a natural ability. I don’t buy that telekinesis is a natural ability because that’s absurd
>>544527468I don't believe he needed his powers to look for the bright side in hell anon, that's mental strength
>>544527710>>544527835>Speed isn’t a “power” it’s a natural ability. I don’t buy that telekinesis is a natural ability because that’s absurdAre you actually retarded silversperg?
>>544527636So like 06 in that regard?
>>544527710>Timetravel>still fights cause he's just angry>look for solutions>always on the helpHe's still the same desu
>>544527835Why do you discount Psychic powers but not everything else?
>>544527917How the actual fuck is TELEKINESIS a natural ability?
>>544527954
>>544527917Why did you reply to me when I just asked what can Silver do without his psychic powers which has nothing to do with the other anons post?
Pyrokenisis is a natural ability
>>544526670>mindraped shitverfag babble The results screen for his Rival Fight in Gens has Sonic joyfully breakdancing while Shitver's limp body lays there in the distance.
>>544528035Psychic powers are not an inherent skill you’re born with. And if you wanna say it is then that’s just extreme mary sue-ing
He has psychokinesis, not telekinesisProof that the Silversperg is just a complete retard
If you want to see what a cool and good time traveler looks like, look at this chad. Mogs shitver despite having no powers. He wishes he could be HIMNow go watch The Terminator. It's fucking GOOD
>>544528065>How the actual fuck is TELEKINESIS a natural ability?How the actual fuck is SUPER SPEED a natural ability?How the actual fuck is PYROKINESIS a natural ability?Etc
>>544527629Silver unironically was responsible for saving the future in Forces.
>>544528252Why psychic powers are not inherent and why is it mary sue-ing?
>>544528254Literally no difference
>>544528121This isn't twitter, it's the most apt and relevant comparison especially when talking Sonic game reception....also a twitter screencap really?
>>544528232>chadver went easy on shitnic, never grabbing him once like 06 which instantly won the fight both times
>>544527580Who are you gonna trust:A War Veteran with lots of battlefield experienceorSome new recruit with big tits?
>>544528484>A complete retard
>>544528561explain the difference then
Is the reason why she's a stick is because mongoose are bendy and slim?
>>544528286I like Kang the Conqueror, he's a cool time traveler
>>544528286>your father is your friend sent in the past to protect your motherMindblowing.
Every character is catching a stray from you silverspergfagCan you please stop?
>>544528560Yes, placing mobster as the role model
>>544528521He's literally calling out how you're bringing 06 out of nowhere when the discussion is about Forces. Hence the "pancakes and waffle" meme.
So, when are the IDW sluts gonna get into Crossworlds? Or was that board with an eye just a reference to the Avatar?
>>544528651Mongoloidose.
>>544528632Google:psychokinesis is the broader term for manipulating objects with the mind, while telekinesis specifically refers to moving objects from a distance, Think of psychokinesis as the umbrella term, and telekinesis is one type of psychokinesis, specifically the act of moving things from afar.
>>544528307Sonic’s speed is natural. Silver uses his gloves and Blaze uses the gem in her forehead for their powers
>>544528910We're using fanfics to argue?
Silver is the anchor of writing in the Sonic franchise. Attack him and expect your favorite character to be broken down to their most fraudest selves.
>>544528753You're god damn right.
>>544528876>manipulating objects with the mind>moving objects from a distanceLiterally just 2 ways of saying the exact same thing
>Sonic can use chaos abilities with fake emeralds Tails ordered from Chyna just fine>Fraudow the sissyhog can'tUltimate Life Fraud more like
>>544528910Sonic is Flash-tier in speed. Silver's psychokinesis is the same logic.ALL of these characters have SUPER POWERS. What is so hard to understand about this!? Why are you crazy people trying to say that Sonic, Tails and Knuckles are any different from Shadow, Silver and Blaze?! THEY AREN'T.
tairusu
>>544528910>Sonic’s speed is natural. Silver uses his gloves and Blaze uses the gem in her forehead for their powersNeed sources on this, faggot. Post them.
>>544528910>Sonic’s speed is natural.Well, kind of. He was the final finished ultimate lifeform so there was some science involved.
>>544529212What? So Sonic is immortal too? Is that canon?
>>544529057Are you illiterate by any chance?Let me explain this to you as if i'm talking to a child:Telekinesis is having invisible armsPsychokinesis is having that^, mixed with floating, barriers, shockwaves, knives,...the whole kit.
>>544529086Speed flight and strength are inherent bodily skills. Psychokinesis pyrokinesis and chaos control are not
Dark BOY
>>544485394/co/ hates Sonic, retard
>>544529531when did the anti sonic sentiments start on /co/?
>>544529361That’s not what you said, you specifically referenced objects in both. And even if it is psychokinesis the way you describe it, that just makes him even more mary sue
>>544529384and why they're not?
>>544529384>Speed flight and strength are inherent bodily skills.Being faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive and leaping tall buildings in a single bound ARE NOT INHERENT BODILY SKILLS. THEY ARE SUPER POWERS. And by all technicality, psychic powers fall under the same logic of being an inherent "bodily skill" depending on what you believe in, but the level that's always displayed in fiction is still a SUPER POWER. ALL of these abilities are flashy superpowers. Sonic's speed and Silver's psychokinesis are both flashy superpowers that the characters just have. Silver's powers don't need any more of an explanation than Sonic's powers.
>>544529348He survived falling from space in Unleashed, didn't he?
>>544528771It isn't out of nowhere since 06 is literally the original revile Sonic game with awful writing and with contributions people would rather be dead and buried.....also that's not a meme that's a screencap from twitter which is just pathetic
>>544529153Everytime Silver uses his powers, they emanate from the gloves. Same with Blaze and the gem or Shadow and the chaos emeralds
>>544529618You can't be this retarded, you're stuck on the word "object"? it says right there "the broader term for manipulating objects with the mind" it means everything i just said, he is manipulating objects, not just moving them.You can tell me if you're a certified retard and i can leave you be
>>544529939Fuck no, you added him manifesting shit like barriers and shockwaves afterwards, that’s not the same thing
>>544529874>Evan GOTF fanfictionKys.
>>544529874>Everytime Silver uses his powers, they emanate from the gloves. Same with Blaze and the gem or Shadow and the chaos emeraldsPure speculation, non concrete at that. Not sources.
I still think most birds are descended from Babylonians
>>544530119>>544530192Give one example of Silver using his powers without using the gloves. If it’s an inherent mind ability like >>544529710 claims he should be able to do this
>>544529531>Hates SonicLiterally one google search and you're immediately disproven. >>>/co/150997304
>>544530090Nigga that's manipulating objects, stopping object from getting close, and pushing them away.
>>544530342Sonic characters don't take off their gloves in the first place, what kind of stupid argument is this?
>>544530342We asked for source confirmation on your Silver downplay headcanon first faggot. Where is the quote.
I LOVE SONIC THE HEDGEHOG
>>544530342You just want him naked you fag
Most of ABT's timeline is Lanny posting. I don't blame him. He can get way more mileage out of her than IDW ever will.>>544530353The amount of mileage I'm getting from that panel edit is amazing.
>>544529874Blaze's gem has never glowed with her powers and Shadow has a listed of abilities he can use without an Emerald.
>>544530490Fine, I don’t have one. I’m using my observations and the fact that inherent psychic powers would be mary sue as fuck. But maybe that just is the case
>>544530342Give us one example of Sonic using his powers without using his shoes perhaps?
>>544531107The movies?
Lanolin's entire existence, appeal and popularity revolves exclusively around her voluminous chest and off-brand erotic production.Nothing else, there is nothing else.
>>544529073Shadow uses Chaos Control with Eggman's fake emeralds in IDW.
>>544531160I don't even like her design and I love boobies
>>544530932She didn’t ruin anything. But you know who does, shitposters that try to say she did.
>>544531107I can’t for Sonic but Tails literally flies using a body part. You also can’t fake his intelligence or Knuckles’ strength. When mind powers get involved that’s when shit gets hairy and mary sue-y
>>544531058Psychic powers are common in Silver's future. There's even inherent psychics in Sonic's time period.
>>544531160Fiona's entire existance revolves around being a roastie
>>544531160I love her boobies and I love boobies
>>544531058>I’m using my observationsWe call them headcanons
>>544531330She put all her effort into making gayslop and flooded the general with gay posting and fags requesting shit for two days straight.
>>544531395Okay? You thinking he’s cool is a headcanon then
>>544531160But enough about Rouge…
>>544531273Didn't those explode? Or were there some fake emeralds outside the Eggperial City arc?
>>544531367Still better motives to live and dynamic than lanolin.Lanolin is more a discounted sally with a bitter personality.
>>544531331Tails is 7 years old, and Knuckles can break stones which are stronger then bones, none of these are natural =superpowers
>>544531486Prior to the conversation, silly anon, it means he's bad only with headcanons.
>>544531469Nah. Compared to the various people over the years, she is on the low end of the scale of ruining anything. You come off as jealous. Another artist perhaps and mad that people liked her.
>>544531828Even as someone more lenient on different characterisation, Prime just felt off for most of the cast especially Sonic and Rouge
>Mind powers can't be naturalNearly every psychic character in all of fiction was born with their powers.
>>544532052>Touching the ceiling of his mouthFucking ICK
>>544532021i am BAFFLED at what they did with Rouge, especially since Rebel remembers BEING Rouge
>>544532021Like with IDW it wouldn't matter if it wasn't supposed to be canon.
>>544531961What's up with drawfags and jealousy? I'm not jealous of any broke ass nigga.
>>544532213i dont think that's the idea
>>544532334It's like 4 different woman that just all look like Rouge but barely have any of her actual character traits, even the they are variants excuse doesn't work at all especially compared to the Chaos Council who do a better job of being spins on the same character....except Dr Babble he should've been aborted.
>>544532334The biggest sin was not partnering rouge with shadow. Like at all. Instead they try to hamfist her on to team sonic which makes zero sense.
>>544532334>Rebel remembers BEING RougeReally? Man Prime was a clusterfuck.
>>544532417Artists tend to get jealous when another gets more likes and attention. It would not be crazy to say that some of the hate artists here get is from other ones.
Canon and biologicaly natural: Silver was born for human cock
>>544532387The only characterisation touches in IDW I really like are in regards to the Deadly Six since it's actually stuff I find pretty neat or The Chaotix since they are pretty much faithful personality wise to the games
>>544532710Yes. Rebel specifically. The other variants don't seem to but Rebel lived as Rouge until the Eggmen invasion. She is actually surprised that Sonic knows that her birth name is Rouge.
>>544532703She was there so Sonic could inspect her curves. Like in CrossWorlds!
>1,951 24-hour peak.
>>544532784Rouge isn't too botched in IDW. It's all the hedgehogs and the comic's own OCs that are completely fucked characterization wise.
>In a destroyed world that stayed the same for 200 years where you can get coal out of anything, Silver found gloves that can give super powersLiterally how?
>>544532703>The biggest sin was not partnering rouge with shadow. Why? She is at her most boring when with him.
>>544532936Sonic Prime was a monkey paw of getting Sonic and Rouge to interact more but it doesn't have anything that made their interactions fun or possibly interesting since Rebel Rouge is a miserable bitch and the other variants are even less like Rouge
>>544533125Who cares?
You suck you all suck!Sonic Lost World starts off well and I am tired of pretending it does not.Heck I am going to say it, Sonic Lost World has a better introduction than Sonic Frontiers.
>>544533125>In a secret laboratory deep in the future timeline, scientists are developing advanced technology to combat threats to the world. These included special gloves and boots, the Psychocuffs, designed to amplify the wearer's latent psychic abilities. The cuffs were made from a rare spiritually resonant metal found in the ruins of an ancient civilization, which could strengthen and stabilize mental abilities.>Silver, who already possessed natural psychokinesis abilities, was chosen to be the first Cuffs test subject due to his outstanding potential. The gloves and boots not only amplified his powers, but also allowed him to precisely control his psychokinesis. This allowed him to accomplish feats previously thought impossible.>In a mission to save the future, Silver uses this technology to travel through time and try to prevent a disaster from ravaging his world. The Psychocuffs are a constant reminder of his duty and the sacrifices of those who created them, and when combined with his natural talents, create a powerful force against evil.
>>544533305Hello Kishimoto, do you think you could maybe stop sucking Nintendo's dick for maybe one singular Sonic game you make?
>>544532936Kek. What was even funnier was how her alleged chemistry with knuckles was completely missing (almost like it wasn't never there to begin with), meanwhile she still managed to have plenty of chemistry with sonic.
>>544533070I'm salty Rouge finally got a Hypnosis scene but it's with the gay platypus. Jokes aside yeah she seems pretty much how she should and it's odd how the OC's get botched so much since they have total freedom over them for.the most part. Though with that said the only IDW OC I remotely like is Mimic and he got fumbled.
>>544533305I played 5 minutes of that game and thought the soundtrack was whack.
>>544533463Rooj calls Knux handsome in Dream Team.
>>544533563Dragon Dance, Silent Forest zone 1 and the Deadly Six boss theme are great though.
Rouge flirting with someone does not mean she has chemistry with them.
I just think think mind powers in general are gimmicky and mary sue as fuck, since the mind itself is so complex and misunderstood that you can get away with basically anything and chalk it up to “with his mind”. It’s frankly lazy writing
>>544533778How do you feel about mind control?
>>544533563Windy Hill Zone has a great theme.>>544533438Not Kishimoto and Sonic Lost World was more trying to really push the classics in 3d. Mario Galaxy did not have tubular level design. The tubular level design was the result of wanting multiple paths in a level with no bottomless pits. This is what the fans wanted
Reminder that Prime confirms that if Sonic doesn't exist, Amy and Tails automatically become villains or at least antagonistic while Rouge turns into the main hero
>>544533778>I just thinkfucking hypocrite
>>544533162Source? Or are you one of the weirdos who likes to harp on her and shadow not being friends?
>>544533607No, ariem calls him handsome. Rouge calls him retarded.
>>544533930I don't find her when being his number one dickrider (i know what reponses this will get but grow up) interesting.
We need more sexo OCs
>>544534167Fuck off woefag
>>544533778I think you're just retarded, you can't get away with everything at all with that power, it's the same as super strength but from afar.
>>544533896The final fight with Zavok is a near 1to1 with Bowser from NSMB, fuck right off. Lost World at BEST is a shitty Mario ripoff.
>>544534157>rouge isn't interesting when she's on team dark>akshully she's more interesting on team sonic, even though every time she has been her personality has been guttedYou can't seriously believe that Rouge in prime is more entertaining than Rouge in SA2, 06, Heroes and SHtH.
>>544534481She is more interesting with interacting with everyone but Shadow, yes.
I thought Prime and Dream Team trying to make Rouge one of Sonic's main buddies was more interesting than her talking to an unresponsive Shadow every time. They just didn't do anything with it so you're left wondering why she's here
hmm Rouge might actually be a potential character0 gems stolen0 double-crosses0 men seduced
>>544534631It sounds more like you're threatened by her being around him, but alrighty.
>>544534724You haven't even played SA2.
>>544534481>You can't seriously believe that Rouge in prime is more entertaining than Rouge in SA2, 06, Heroes and SHtH.>Using Sonic Prime characterization of all things to back up dull shadougeRouge literally becomes a boring therapist when she's around Shadow, and only shadow. It's like another character entirely.
>>544534748Being his accessory is the worst case use for her.
>>544534913Shadow is objectively not sane and also very powerful, she might have been paid to tame and calm him down by GUN, which is why she's acting so different
>>544534724>0 gems stolenYou literally break into Prison Island to steal the Chaos Emeralds. >0 double crossesShe literally works for G.U.N. feeding them info about Eggman.>0 men seducedKnuckles? Hello?
Why isn’t there like an actually good lobby system in Crossworlds?
>>544534913>what is an emotional bondCharacters are allowed to have nuance, you realize?Try hugging your mom instead of throwing her>>544534962Literally the leader of team dark with her own niche. Calling her an "accessory" is willfully missinterpreting her role in bad faith.
>>544535185This might come as a shock to you, but Sonic Team has never once made a good decision
>>544534375No, because super strength is one clearly-defined thing. Mind powers are not and can easily be molded into whatever you need them to be
I'm playing Crossworlds, when does the Dark Brotherhood appear?
>>544534895>>544535112It was mostly a joke, I like her in SA2 but that's about it. Another victim of "peak in their first game" syndrome.
>>544535268Doesn't matter if she's the leader, she becomes his accessory.
>>544535332Anon i believe that's called inelegance
>>544535268>Characters are allowed to have nuance, you realize?Nuance isn't nuance if it happens every time now when she's near him.
>>544534810chadckles
Scourge
>>544535612Except it doesn't happen every time she's with him. She's still flirty and mischievous, in addition to being caring. She's shown more depth with shadow than she ever has with any other character. You would demolish all that because you want to push a different ship.
>>544535819
>>544536430Wrong board, newfriend. Here, let me help you: >>>/co/shittysonicOCs
>>544536540
>>544535872>Except it doesn't happen every time she's with him. She's still flirty and mischievous, in addition to being caring. She's shown more depth with shadow than she ever has with any other character. You would demolish all that because you want to push a different ship.>Shadow please be open more>hmph>Shadow please come to the party>hmph>Shadow I'll forget the world for you>hmph>kek, i sound like amy>hmphNo gems or nuance to speak of here. Rouge is just Shadow's nanny.
>>544536539EVERYTHING SONICVERYTHING
>>544536539Cry more, actually.
Will Megani be the main villain of the series since Starline is gone and Surge is being redeemed by Sonic?
>>544536820Kit
>>544536568>baking early to keep your shitty mandates Kill yourself actually
>>544536820I wouldn't count on Starline being gone. He's probably the mysterious figure collecting the Chaos Emeralds.
>>544536820That would make zero sense since she's just a thief, and seemingly not even a particularly powerful one. She could only carry a story with low level characters and even then barely. It would be like making Mimic the main villain of the book.
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