The Nightmare is Ongoing... >>549160809>12/03 (Wed) Updatehttps://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11402378>Useful Links and Resourceshttps://rentry.org/xtb66f3ihttps://wiki.e7bot.top/#/czn/combatant>Current/Upcoming Featured BannerChizuru - Psionic - Void | Starting December 3rd>Current/Upcoming Content/EventsGalactic Disaster - Forbidden Catalysts - Season 1 | Until January 13th 2026Guardian of the Ark - Policy Event | Until December 3rdGalactic Disaster Dispatch - Login Event | Until November 25th>Developer Note: Upcoming Improvements in the Second Update:https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11319239>Why didn't my Save Data save properly?Save Data uses a points based system. If you go above a certain threshold, your Save Data will be edited.https://rentry.co/cznsavedatahttps://czn-calc.vercel.app/https://euri412.itch.io/save-data-calculatorhttps://czn-save-cal.web.app/
Name a bigger rapebait than Chizuru. I’ll wait.
>Start run>Get really good items and choices>Finally get to choose an Epiphany for my most important card>All 3 options are dogshit>Run ruined and deck is immediately unusable right then and thereEpiphany reroll fucking when this fucking sucks
Faggot found aboveShit takes found below
the girl in the cape will be our Passion buffer
Rei is literally my GF
what's the point of chizuru?
CONFESS
>>549219221rei
>>549219521She's better than a bunch of 5*s, also cute and hot
Kayron(me) with Arthur
>>549219567I like crystals
>>549219668Is this basic attack spam or big shadow of the moon build
so........................not only do you need a good tressa deck but you also gotta account for that self damage chest piece because damage does not give enough points after 800k so you need to heal and take damage YOURSELFmy god this autism ranking has blown through all of my expectations Incredible
>>549219221
>>549219676GAYYYYY
>>549219284>another stupid nigger against epi rerolls
Save data was a mistake. It should have been all about chaos.
>>549219668>not 1 but 3 males>furfag>obvious whalei'll pretend you don't exist thanks for the (you)
>>549219454Please be flat please be flat please be flat
>>549219915Here is your flattits bro>>549219793
im finally out of the Tressa mines...now i have to do Cassius and Mika...
>>549219567I think Arthur’s design is fucking boring as shit, and it pisses me off because furrys love hugo’s design
Here's your tressa epiphanies bwoYou're welcome!
Dipping my Chizu
>>549219868This. I love my chaos runs and hate having to do these shitty time limited pre-determined fights which require specific characters and save data. I am on the verge of just viewing the non-Chaos content as optional.
>>549220008all 3 are legit thoughbeit
>>549220000Quads of truth
>>549219990>Didn't get the self-damage chestpieceit's shit, reroll>>549220102yeah legit trash LMAO
>>549219915be naked or have a plugsuit that is the same color as her skin
>549220000>0000Arthur bros, our response???
>>549219781leaderboard ranking will always be autism, people will find the most bullshit strategies to make it to the top.
>>549220223is this a nikke character
>>549219781Just take the easy plat and let the whales autismo to the top bro.
>>549220310yes
>>549220165What’s so good about that chestpiece?
platinum looks better anyway aruji-dono
>>549220165left is for sub dps, middle and right are for main dps, right can combo well with kayron>brainrot meta slave
>>549220237>>549220000
>nearly 2026>still no character with a heroic mindbreak that makes them stronger
luckshat into my best Chizurape deck so far but gimped it with shit gear and forbidden slopwell the sphere is nice but it should have gone to literally anyone else
>>549220362You get points for recovery in the leaderboard mode so you want to damage yourself to heal it back for pointsIt's top 0.1% autism
>>549220420>1 AP for 1 dagger and a nothing heal is goodEven ignoring the dagger on heal epi, that has to be one of the worst uses of AP in the game. Even the generic shadow reload will do more damage for the same amount of AP.
>>549220570>no 1 extra copy of pre epi oni hunt into unique cardback to the mine
I love Chaos Zero Nightmare™ it has such unique gameplay and very generous with rewards for players. Chizuru is best character in any mobile gacha game. Chaos mode has infinite possibility and only haters complain about it. Leader boards exist for skill expression of big spenders. 올해의 게임
>>549220237
>>549220420>>brainrot meta slave
Someone recommend a Meilet and a Yukilet like me a vanguard team for the poo monster.
>>549220000The fact he has cleavage pissed me off it open to the possibility of naizuri and it make me hard.
>>549220552>Character that still fights/ fights stronger when in mindbreak mode>Install/Stance/Transformation Character>Character who transforms and when it does it cause stress to the other characters>character that plays their own cardsone day
>>549218951stop posting hot chizuru pics, I won't fall for her sex appeal and waste my pulls yet
>>549220752>Leader boards exist for skill expression of big spenders>the best team is 3 four stars
>>549220843Do you have Luke? He can make use of the order buff to deal a lot of damage fast on a good build.
>>549220925Someone post THE one with the beryl sticker yum yum
>>549220663you can stack up adv daggers since they have retain and they deal more dmg than regular one, just run your ap battery unload them
>>549220843Whatever the fuck works for team 1 like look at top 50 and team 1 is pretty variedTeam 2 has to be Tressa/Cassius/Mika or you're inting
>>549220952>thinking spending is only for rolling charactersMost foolish.
Damn, I suck at this game. How the hell are you supposed to get 500k
I wonder if they redesigned Nineher silhouette looks different in the teaser
Maybe PvP wasn’t such a good idea
Have you reset your Zero upgrade system?
>>549221389I saw that video but I don't consider myself that autistic
>>549221389Yes, I removed all the upgrades that increase the chance of mutants showing up.
>>549221065But two of those make generic daggers. The X shadow reload in particular is very bad since it's actually a downgrade from the normal reload, while the discard reload is once per battle so even if you create a deck to take advantage of it with say, Renoa, it's not a strategy that you can use in a longer fight, even with copies.
>>549221323The reward difference hardly matters and only autists would feel bad about it.
I want a toku girl in CZN
>>549220552Could be cool to have a character that has their cards change to a berserker set and once you use enough AP/cards/turns/etc, their stress goes back down and reverts back to normal.
>>549221389>>549221471>>549221493More proof that content creator has done more for this community
>>549221690retard
SEA detected.
>>549221290you need a gimmick build to deal big damage in the 2nd half before you die like Tressa's agony and Cassius cheating or whatever he does still don't have him
>>549221690???What the fuck are you talking about? I did it because I was tired of getting killed by buffed vagina monster and the dogfucker.
>>549221520copy that and save for a short boss content in the future then
>>549221919he's trying to shill some cockslurper on yt
>>549221389no, not sure why toggling one option disables everything, hopefully it's a bug to be fixed, until then I'll just keep dying to rainbow vagina bats
>>549221292Based on the other characters, probably.
>>549221882Wonderful.
>>549221578More annoyed on how it gives ammo to shitlords
4 TURNS WITH INTENSE SETUP TO SHIT OUT 1K DMG IS HILARIOUSLY BADHOW CAN YOU RUN CHAOS WITH THE BRICKEST OF THEM ALLREFUND BRICKZURU NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>549222142The old style was so much nicer.
I bet you thought this card was garbage before the leaderboard mode
>>549219914>t. Latekek
>Gacha scamming you out of your hard earned cashWho could have seen this coming…
>>549222258They're all Ai trash.
>5/5 upgrades went for attack+ and crit dmg%+nyes... NYES...
>>549222297Looks garbage to me.
>>549222480>t. silver player
>>549222297I bet you found that out by yourself instead of copying others like a bot
>>549222297I still don't really like it, I don't really feel like AP is the problem on the second half since it has Mika anyways and spending 3 fucking AP on the first half means burning most of a turn on it unless you have both cthulhu's ball AND the pink goo jar on the team AND draw it on turn 1.
>>549222634You don't want it for the AP anyway, you want it for the self damage.
>>549222634That doesn't look that bad. Anon, sounds like a dumbass that would restart his run over and over again for the perfect setup.
>>549222297Does this work with Chizuru?
>>549221292They better keep the puffy nippies otherwise it's a skip
What team do you guys like to use to try and farm decks for Cassius? I feel like the Tressa/Mika/Cassius team is more of a save data team and feels kinda bad in Chaos. I'm trying to get a 3 dice upgrade save for him since that seems like a big difference maker on b side.
>>549220223nikke know its audience.
>>549222104Eh, it's not THAT many upgrades you need to do. Literally less than a minute of clicking.
>>549219990>he kept a basic attack instead of the healBricked
>>549222943You can run him on a default wheelchair team like Veronica and any DPS. If you lack his two copies it might get painful.
>>549222778Oh, I guess it's to trigger the 1 AP Mika waterball? But the number 1 on the leaderboard both has those cards and is using a 0 AP waterball so maybe not? Why do you want to take damage besides that?
>>549222943Hugo and Mika
>>549219454
>>549222914>>549223134https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ODmy4PxOI
>>549223134You score points on damage but also on every heal and every blocked attack.
>>549223134Damage after 800k falls off, only damage to self and healing scores alot of points
>>549223279>>549223284Oh. Damn that's stupid. So it's not actually GOOD it's just exploiting the event scoring mechanics.
>>549220552Will be practically unusable.
which one
>people really be like doing 30 mins of tressaslop to push the rankingcouldn't be me
>>549220843Use Beryl
>>549223279That… doesn’t answer my question…
>>549223406I mean, is it an exploit when you're just playing by the rules set by the house?
how long until we get corrupted Alts?
>>549223484Depends on who you are supporting. Right in particular buffs any cards, very good to buff someone who has a single nuke.
>Meta defined by exactly three characters>No one gives a shit that 90% of the roster is a brickGod I hate how submissive gacha players are.
>>549221389No, I can handle burning elites and normals.
>>549223626You mean does it work with Chizuru? Ofc it wouldn't, why do you think otherwise?
>>549223484Really depends. If you're using her in a Void team, left is pretty decent, really nice with Chizuru and Tressa. Right is nice because you can pick ANY card from anywhere, so it's more reliable overall. Middle technically has a high potential ceiling but is very unreliable. I'd probably go right in most situations just for the reliability.
>>549223638The rules are retarded, as proven by the same infinite combo trash being all you see on the leaderboard.I hope that shit gets nerfed to the ground sooner rather than later.
>>549223809Because it says start of turn like Chizuru’s card.
>ChooseYou wouldn't believe the amount of cassius runs I've done without seeing this epi
>>549222241>If a character can't shit out 100k dpr they're unusable dogshit!Kill yourself.
The price of being in the top 1%
>>549223279>cassius crits for 6kwhat the fuck
>>549223971time to take a shower
>>549222297It is, its sole purpose is to farm points by healing.
>>549223904If you mean the damage at the start of the turn then yes, you'll get that but you won't get the free 1 AP part
>>549223694Possessed Chizuru (Unbound) alt…
Seasonal alts will kill this gamejust like E7
>>549223694When Tressa gets Nihilum powers.
>>549224474seasonal alts have been a thing since forever
is every new dps character going to be balanced to be like tressa cassius now...?
>>549224474micro bikini alts will save this gameespecially Adelheid
>>549223861Eh, it's up to your personal preference I guess. At the end of the day, it managed to show a shitty card being useful for a specific situation. That's one nice thing about this whole leaderboard.Then again I'm just a lazy bum who only wants to reach 500k and be done with the leaderboard.
I leveled up my neutral potential but it doesn't increase my forbidden card damagei am bricked
One complete difficulty 9+ run should give 8k weekly point so it's worth doing
>The database site with all the encounters and shit hasn't updatedIs it over for CZN?
>>549224856Lol. Lmao.
>>549225146I keep running D8 and its only giving like 300 currencyWhat a scam. Its impossible to clear the shop outside of waiting for the weekly points
>>549224943So forbidden cards straight up aren't affected by potentials at all?
>>549219914Its a t0 lil' bro
>>549224856From now on every boss is gonna force end your turn after 5 0-cost cards have been created.
>>549225348You should do lower Lab 0 instead if you want to farm faster without the weekly bonus. Fast clear + always pick the buffed node.
The devs are either Tressa bias or retarded for sure. How do you add a cap of 7 hit to the great rift boss when Chizuru can do well over that while didn't impose any restriction on Tressa's playstyle
>>549225527>every boss will be a Mei Lin showcase instead of a Tressa showcase
Hell yeah
>>549225759Anything is better than this shit.
>>549220223Why is she naked?
>>549226003being naked made her stronger
>>549225962Nah, you'd cry and piss and shit yourself just the same over the leaderboards being nothing but Mei Lin.
>average 6 stones per 60 stamina damn potential farming is the final boss of the grind
>>549226003Because sex sells and people only play nikke for that reason.
Ok, we're going to make a boss that's immune to agony (or any debuff really) and make it take less damage from multihit
thoughts?
>dude bike!Magna is so easy to read
>>549226238Prone bone anal.
>>549226279she has a brain of a literal dog
>>5492262382woke4me
Is this a decent Haru deck? Struggled at phase 2, maybe Haru isn't meant for that anw (low hit count)
>>549221323i do not consider a leaderboard pvp
>>549226039>>549226089I mean like why in Nikke is she naked? Is there a reason she's naked?
>>549226618Always combo if not simply rerun
>>549226682Because dood gooning
>>549226682I literally just told youthats her god mode
>>549222165They will turn anything into "ammo" regardless, no reason to care about them
So to make perfect Copy decks, X unit + Veronica + Mika and remove the non-unique evolutions like Source of Water?
>>549226803Why combo? I thought +90% would scale much better as the fight is loooong. My Haru is e2 so she could build stacks faster.
>Yuki sucks and is ugly>Chizuru sucks and is uglySo when do I get to roll? At this rate I'm going to have enough to E6 someone on the spot
>>549227013Combo will always scale better.
>>549227013If e2 then combo is even better, you benefit more with it because of her partner and the 100% charge plus double crit
>>549227151How did you get that high?>>549227176I don't have her partner unfortunately. Only got her e2 because I was rolling for Mika e6
From what I understand at the start of the fight you get an AP that you can choose to use on any turn by clicking on the storage icon?
>If I take the card that makes cassius have his quest on turn 1 then it's random>If I take the card that makes cassius choose his quest then it doesn't guarantee I draw it early
>>549227524No, it triggers automatically when you end your turn with leftover AP
>>549227625oh ok so it has the potential to be pretty good huh?
>>549227393This was the deck I had on that particular run.But as a general rule additive bonuses such as morale get double value because they are applied per hit.
>>549227056>Yuki is just mid and is hot>Chizuru is bad and is hotthe next chick is also hot so save for that
>>549227768Alright, thanks
After playing Chizuru for almost a week, there's absolutely no way Chizuru is above Renoa in any category but sex appeal.
>>549226532Brother your anus is so fucking tight it risks swallowing you whole
>>549228135I haven't seen a 800K+ Renoa score in the rearguard
Waow
4 hours later and i still cant get a single run rightfuck this copy rng fuckfestrespect my time nigger
>>549228735How the fuck are you all getting so many copies
>>549228837Not touching lab-0
>>549228909That's clearly a lab0 run, emblem is exclusive to it.
>>549228735>no 50% agony dmg, the most important card of the deckyou have to go back
>>549228837Got the lucky floating cube event that gives 1 out of 3 random rare copy choice
>>549228909Even then man>>549229024I think he meant the event's chaos>>549229117The what?!
Finally got a good deck for Chizuru, who should I run with her to make the best out of it? It's always Veronica, right?
>>549229117What? I don't think I've EVER seen that event.
>>549229191Ugo
>>549229191Due to Chizuru's multi-hit nature, she benefits A LOT from morale and attack buffs in general. Rei is absolutely fantastic with her, though usually even better in the basic attack build.
>new boss>limit amount of card use per turn>limit amount of hit per turn>limit amount of damage per turn>limit amount of card creation per turn>limit amount of upgradeYou lose
>>549228597>muh shilled contentTic-Tock
>>549229489Renoa is Void so she gets the bonus.She has no multihits like Chizuru so she doesn't care about the 7-hit restriction.If anything she's even more suited for it.
>>549229353Honestly all they need to do to fuck over, or at least significantly nerf the Tressa/Cassius/Mika team, is to give a boss the Cthulhu effect where you can't play two cards from the same person in a row without getting fucked. You can still kinda work around it and do okay but it really lowers the ceiling on the team.
I never see a built Mei-lin with any forbidden card. Do people dodge the tunnel when running her or something.
>>549229353>at start of battle, rapes any combatant whose name starts with T or M
>My damage record on Rin is 247k in a turnShe's doing her best, please spare her Tressabrahmans
>Use a card>COMBAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN DISRUPTED PLEASE HOLD>Use another>COMBAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN DISRUPTED PLEASE HOLD>Restart game and use a card>COMBAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN DISRUPTED PLEASE HOLD?????
how can they make chizuru not a brickrelease someone that likes her bound at dusk mechanic?
>>549230027she works for me, theres 5*s that need way more help than her
>>549229987submit a ticket, i'm getting it too
>>549230027Release another Rei.
>>549229894i wish i had a gf who looks like Rin
>>549229894post deck
>>549229894Woman be like, I'm not a hooker then wear shit like this, and have a gall to say "misunderstood"
>>549230027>how can they make chizuru not a brickRelease a step by step tutorial that holds the hands of literal retards (/czn/) on how to build and play the character and then tests them on their knowledge at the end to make sure they actually retained the knowledge
>>549230027>Character with a 4 cost Lead Epiphany that you want to copyBest case scenario for the Bind activate lead cards epiphany
>>549230027Release a sub dps with a 25 hit attack.
>>549229191Rei and any card drawer, really.
>>549230027Chizuru is perfectly fine, she's just not Mei Lin tier. Hell, she's probably a better designed character than most since she has multiple viable builds and few complete dud epiphanies. She's even nice enough to not want Mika so you can split your abyss team easier!
>>549230027-1 will o wisp needed. There u go,
How is Chizuru's longterm value? Does her bind and epiphanies provide a lot of interesting build potential with future units?
>character doesn't instantly deal 1 million damage with a single cardAIEEEEEEE BRICK BRICK BRICK BUFF PLEASE SMILEGATE WHY DID I ROLL FOR THIS GARBAGE AHHHHHHH
>>549230110Reducing everything to 0 with the forbidden card
Which one should I copy?I already have 2 copies of tsukuyomi and it honestly feels very strong. 1 one shotted the boss when at half health mostly thanks to it I feel.
>>549230404I think her main advantage for future team building is really with the bind, she provides a viable if specific alternative to getting loads of AP. But really, she's a main DPS so she wants people to support her rather than to support other people. And Rei already supports her really well, so idk honestly.
>>549230429What character does 1 million damage with a single card.They just need to put thorns to filter all you faggots tb h.
HARU LOSTYUKI LOSTCHIZURU LOSTTRESSA WON
There are no bad combatants, Just bad Protos.
>>549230404Well, she scales really with buffs and she can cheat out a shit ton of AP if her teammates run expensive cards.
>>549230615Tressa wonThe players lost
>>549222297This card on your deck and the shitty armor on Tressa are the brands of no life autists, imagine wanting that.
>>549230692No, I'm pretty sure Maribell is bad. But she's the only one who I think really has no redeeming qualities. Maybe Magna. But they might see a resurgence depending on what the endless tower mode is like.
tressa gf...
>>549230293>multiple viable buildslol are u that r*edditfag who posted a "basic build"That was so dogshit lmfao.
>>549230907It honestly works pretty good but it does kinda NEED a much more specific build on Rei to pop off in any real way.
>Got gold>Huh that's fine, I don't mind not getting top>Realize there's like 3 categories above goldoh......
Hows it feel to be in the shitshack anon?
didn't manage to get a third move but forbidden and the monster card kind of make up for it.
>>549228735>he bricked his curse
>>549231164what a weird thing to say during anal
>>549230810S-surely they'll add a mode where doing counter = free point.>just use MagnaShush
they really want you to farm god decks every 3 months to compete i can't even be bothered doing it once
I wish the game would be consistent about what actually buff team damage and what actually buff self damage. Like Beryl firepower only buff self but it uses the same wording as Orlea's softie.
>>549230810Bad in that they both can't burst down bosses, but they're both fine for survivability which you don't really need outside of Chaos.
I think the cleanest solution is nerfing certain combatants and then refund players. Buffing everyone else will demand massive manhours of reworking their kits and testing, which I doubt they can spare at this state.
>>549231164I wish Selena were better...
>>549230027If Adelheid released with that leaked kit, all skills would be free. Then -1 AP on 2 attacks would be more than enough to get by every turn. If you also got the -1 AP divine on Oni Hunt, then you literally wouldn't be able to spend all your AP per turn. Adelheid also shits out additive damage buffs, so she seems like a perfect supporter for her.
>>549231383I mean you don't really need a god deck to hit 500k and that's all you need for every reward that matters. You can even hit the second highest breakpoint, which is like 300k I think? Without even having to do the final difficulty. And all you'd miss out on is 1/3rd of a roll and some sparse resources. And a sticker. The horror.
>>549230552Idk if they're gonna go with low cost spammers in the future, its month 2 and they already see how much tressa and cassius are problems.But to me Chizuru will continue being mid, people don't want alternatives to having extra AP... People like extra AP, people like divine epis that give extra AP, and people like to play cards with their extra AP. The bind is a huge detriment, she's probably just gonna get powercrept and we'll move on at the end of the day. Typical potential woman.
>>549219567I came inside Yuki and regret it
>>549231593I really doubt Adel's kit is releasing in the leaked state, it was too generically powerful considering how much they shackled Yuki and Chizuru down.
>>549230097I think what's bugging out is the protos skillsThe game decides WAIT THATS ILEGAL and goes full fucking retard once you use one for a turn or two then goes back to normal
>>549225146I barely did 4 lab0 runs this week. It actually kills my motivation to even turn on the game.
>>549230142Uh oh, chizucuck melty.
Selena is shitOwen is shitMaribel is shitMagna is shitAmir is shitLucas is shitOrlea is shitNia is shitRenoa is shitKayron is shitHugo is shitHaru is shitYuki is shitRei is shitRin is shitChizuru is shitKhalipe is shitLuke is shitBeryl is shitVeronica is shitMei Ling is shit
Why can't you guys just do the bare minimum? Life becomes so much easier that way
>>549232001I haven't even done the Chizuru story yet
>Pick up a heavy gameplay game>Complain about having to play itWhy not play an autobattler game like HSR instead then?
can you run other chaos' with the tunnel and count towards the 8k weekly points?
>>549230810Maribel will be broken once a combatant with a barricade + entrench equivalent releases.
>>549232081ITDOESNOTFEELREWARDINGYOUDUMBNIGGERBECAUSETHEWHOLESHITASSCHAOSEVENTISWASTINGYOURTIMEBECAUSEYOUCANTFUCKINGCOPYMORETHANTWOCARDSANDKEEPGETTINGFUCKEDBYEPIPHANIES!
>>549232081My perfect sweetspot for a gacha is like 2 hours of actual gameplay per week. If they cut down the weekly Chaos requirements to be only 1 run and added a sweep feature to the dailies, this would nail the sweet spot, so that's what I'm holding out hope for.
>>549232252then just uninstall??
>>549232338No, i will complain and i will do so on other platforms until they fix the game. Because people that feel the same way as i do are the majority. You are about to lose hard, you dumb faggot.
>>549228135Renoa is above Chizuru in sex appeal actually.
Just quietly quit bro nobody cares. Nobody at the company is reading your shit here. File a complaint on stove or some shit
>>549231919That "every card you play is free this turn" epiphany is definitely getting wiped from the face of the earth. That shit is retarded. But Bound already shows they are willing to toy with the very dangerous gimmick of cost reduction. It wouldn't be too surprising for them to release one that only works on skills but doesn't have the activation limit. Hell even if it did have an activation limit it would still be fine. It can't land on things that already cost 0. Between the both of them, you would likely be getting 4(or more) bonus AP per turn.
>>549232454Full pic?
>>549232081>CZN>Heavy gameplay gamelol
>>549232454short hair a shita big fat stinky shit
>>549232252So stop using the event chaos to making shitty savedata?
>>549232454March from HSR
>>549232442Or you'll uninstall by next week when you realize the game isn't going to magically turn into the autobattler sweepfest you want
Which way white man?
The only thing I want from CZN is actually good looking characters and characters I want to add to my team instead of here's cowtits bitch and she's an attacker but there's torpedo tits and she's also an attacker or you can wait for giantess tits who's also an attackerGameplay is good and fun but holy shit give me something that isn't Tressa+Mei Lin forever
>>549232865I didn't fall for bait so I have over 400 pulls for both.
>>549232442Based, but only if you show your Stove posts as proof.
>>549232930Forgot fat tits who's also an attackerWow, so many attackers! Thank you smilegate! So much diversity!
>>549232936They’re both going to be shit too. Enjoy.
>>549232865i'm not white
it's kinda funny being here seeing people complain about having to actually play the game or bragging about not playing it then you go to one of the autobattler generals like stella floppa and the main complaint is that there's nothing to do because the gameplay loop is doing your dailies in 60 seconds then you're done
>>549232865Skipping both for the girl with the chainsword
>>549232865Stop calling me that.
p-please...*coughs*let me...*hacks*refund...*wheezes*b-brickzuru...*dies*
>>549233243I am so excited for this combatant
>>549229117in lab zero? gz man
>>549229161>>549229204>he doesnt knowI think its one of the rare Ore Mining events in the Interior. All I know is it's the rightmost option
>>549233243I am so excited for this partner
It's really insane how they release Yuki and Chizuru in the state they are but have a future 4* with a gain AP and draw card.
Where are the barefoot combatants?
>>549232252You are approaching the game from entirely the wrong perspective. Chaos IS the game. The save data shit is just a backdrop. You shouldn't be hating the game just because save data is hard to get. Because you are supposed to be ENJOYING doing Chaos runs. If you aren't, then the game unironically is not for you. It would mean that you see the primary game mode as a chore that should be reduced, or eliminated, if possible. Which is clearly not the path the developers are going to take when the season is best described as "here's a chaos that is cheaper to farm". You are setting yourself up for disappointment by thinking the game is supposed to be something it isn't, and that the devs will change it to be more like your vision.
>>549229818You know you can give it to a different untlit right
>>549233198Medina?
>>549233243>>549233292>>549233334I cant believe our first mech is an ugly ass shitbox
>>549229894>CHAOS>ERO>NIGHTMARE
>Yuki at the top of the rankingdoomposters status?
>>549233473SHUT IT DOWN SHES BAD SHES TRASH SHES A BRICK AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>8/9 on both Crab and Penis Head because I couldn't be bothered with increased damage and just tanked it with Kelpie.>Reach 500k weekly leaderboard with shitty decks on Hard clear 3 times>8k weekly orb point just by spamming Lab 0 diff 5 which gives 2k on full clear>Giant ballista for fast farm on potential mats dailyBare minimum is the way
>>549232865Blazing Cartesia, the Virtuous.
>>549233473>inb4 the first half doesn't matterWheres your Luke? Where's your Hugo? Lmaoooo
>>549233547woah...literally me...
>>549233473D-DOESN’T COUNT
>>549230763True, Tressa has a boring as fuck ego ult and is 4*, so she’s like half a waifu at best.
>>549230142>>549230293
Okay but can you get 700 HP on Cassius
>>549233547I don't believe you got 500k doing the ""bare min"" but couldn't do 9/9 on weekly bosses, especially when the 2nd boss is a fucking joke
>>549232865Whichever releases with a cunny 4*.
>>549233395hope it is a subdps + shielder vanguard
>>549233473Keep in mind that the devs are so fucking retarded that if Yuki is at the top of the mode where her performance doesn't even really matter then she's not going to get buffs.
KEK SEAnigs are having aneurysms over the prospect of actually playing a videogame. Skipslop "gaming" have rotted their poorly developed brain this much.
>>549233798average gachafag hates gameplaythey need all their ""games"" to be checklists that they open, press skip and close to brag about how they're such epic hardcore gamers
>>549231225How so? You get curse normally every like 4 turns. Conversely the upgrade gives 10 agony by turn 4 if you pop it turn 1 which you can since initiation. Maybe I don't get something about how curse works normally though. Ah I still don't have cassius so that's how the logic works for me
>>549233720NTA The 500k weekly is cumulative. He could get 170k 3 times and it would count for the weekly rewards.
>>549233720Oh, I meant the cumulative 500k weekly point. My single run is only 200k-ish lol.
need chocolate.....
>>549233798post your 500k+ clear without Tressa cheese.
>>549233967You only got Amir.
>>549233473>boss built for aoe>Mei Lin still at #1not that the first half matters anyway but kek
>>549233392I couldn't remember her name at first, but yeah.If I have to pick a black white and red character it's this girl right here
>>549233798HOLY SHITand you know what is even worse? The fucking replies. You can instantly recognize the SEAvermins by the structure of their replies:https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1pdz83u/careful_what_gacha_can_do_to_you/
>>549234073there's still a lot of yukis in top 10 which is weird since she's the worst character in the game and completely unusableI wonder why that is, could it be that schizos don't play the game?
>>549233967Red Hood if she brown
>>549233798>>549233879It's because all they care about is rolling and seeing big numbers on screen. Just like a slot machine. It's a literal gambling addiction. Everything that stands between them and their dopamine hit is a chore that should stay as nonintrusive as possible.
>>549234150
>>549233798Make the chaos run more rewarding and i dont mind having to do one hour per run. But the rng and time investment just kills all enjoyment i once had in the first weeks grinding away. Even taking breaks; coming back just reminds you how fucking retarded these runs are. You dont get shit for it and the chance to get good shit is so slim, you might as well just not do it. Sounds like you are the brown SEAnigger.
This game still needs a sweep feature at the bare minimum.
>>549234537I agree a sweep for all the resource quests would be good
So do we know how many pulls we get per patch?Anybody did the calcs?
Mfs act like playing Chaos is some sort of StS A20 knowledge check and isn't just a time sink to get the good epiphany.
>>549234483>I hate the game but still play it>If you enjoy it then you're brown!!!UNINSTALLHIT THE UNINSTALL BUTTONREMOVE THE APP AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSEIs the concept of not playing games you don't like a completely alien thing for kids these days?
>>549234164All you have to do is kill the thing in 5 turns, there are probably tons of characters that can do that>>549233884The skill version is better for endgame bosses since you should be drawing out your entire deck every turn
>anons want to roll for the most Arknights-coded designs
>>549234162It's just FOMO. CZN ended up the biggest game out of all the ones that came out so all the fotm gachafags fear "missing out" if they don't play it so they'll screech, cry and shit themselves until the devs rework the game into yet another autobattler devoid of anything other than a slot machine
>>549234594MFs also don't realize it's a gacha. Like, sure the gameplay is what trapped me, but this is too much game to be playing long term, which is what gachas want you to be doing. Like, this is the perfect gacha for the people who sit in /vg/ threads saying "where's the content", but for the average person this is a nigh impossible gacha to maintain long term unless you "veteran" it and don't give a fuck and just log in and do a couple Chaos runs whenever you actually feel like playing.
>>549233589In second half.
>>549234629Why is it for you low IQ uninstall screchers so hard to understand that there are things in a game you like that does not make you like it? Oh, you only motivate me to spam the shit out of their discord for less RNG kek
So what's the best character who can make a farm deck that isn't retarded on auto? Mei Lin is pretty much always wasting her move and I want someone who doesn't waste time using setup cards.
>>549234483YOU PLAY THE GAME FOR FUN RAJEED, UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF LOVEfucking indians man, they won't move if they don't have a carrot in front of themi bet this is the same kind of guy that believes all hcaracters have a single deck and bring mika/veronica for everything, sheesas
>>549234713Arknights coded charas would be a MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT over the AI generated designs that look like someone typed giant breasts, huge breasts, weapon, gacha and ran with it
Shame i had to keep the basics to get this.
>>549234164>a brick is used in the one place she gets a 2.5x damage multiplier, clearly this means she's t0Fuck off you retarded jeet.
Call me retarded but I like running the seasonal chaos more than zero system
>>549234858Just farm a maneuvering fire or the 2 cost AOE*2 build.
>>549233547If you can get 500k you can clear 9/9 distortion bosses.
>>549234967Lab0 is honestly fine if you don't care about copy rng
>>549234887Yeah, i will do my part so that it will be fun again. Do not worry. And i hope my fun will make you stop having fun. Lets see if you will uninstall or be in my position ;3
>>549234667Yeah still no cassius for me (after 300+180ish rolls) so still drafting for the hugo tressa team. Thanks for posting your teams though. Was thinking of trying to do ohase one with mei lin + veronica and not sure who else but probably time to farm a good khalipe deck. Mind posting her cards youre using
>>549222943I've been running tressa, Mika, Cassius in diff 8 and its been fine. Just need to get Cassius to 700 hp so he gives fort on quest complete. It's pretty big, still dunno why it's 700 hp tho
>>549233884That upgrade gives a single stack of agony per turn. Every other version of the card will be giving you dozens with the sheer number of cards you play per turn.
uchimasu
>finally can get Veronica in 2 daysWhat can I expect and what set does she use.
Wait what Vero was raised by the rat...???
>>549235081I look forward to seeing you uninstall next week like all the schizos that came before youAlso, make sure to post the discord ban message when you get shot for being an obnoxious cuck
>>549233798If the game doesn't improve until Endfield i'll hit the uninstall button dw. This game just requires too much time for the payout it gives, and there's absolutely no reason for runs to take as long as they do.The only reason the devs released it in this state was so most players couldn't get good decks in a reasonable amount of time.>3x combat/transitions/text speedThe above is a no brainer for a gacha with heavy grind released in 2025 and yet this kosuge doesn't have it. If the devs think this game will be a main game for most players, in a world of 3D gachas, they are delusional. Six months from now only the Epic Seven autists will remain.
>>549234858Just give Veronica giant ballista and as many manuvering fires as you can.
>>549235348>muh 3d slopYou're brown.
>>549235348>HOW DARE YOU HAVE GAMEPLAY EVERYONE KNOWS GACHAS SHOULD BE 1 MINUTE DAILIESCool, looking forward to seeing all the whiny retards finally hit the uninstall button
>>549235048I meant the 500k cumulative, I only get 200k max on a single run.
>>549235081LUMEOW, you see little pag, your entire nation could complain at the same time and they wouldn't ever even think about looking your way since even with the Indos combined (that hilariously double your size) you won't even get a SINGLE % of the revenue of the game. It's that fucking sad. Just uninstall, this game? Not for you. It's time to go.
>>549235112I would use ML+Veronica but I don't have Veronica yet. She's my selector target in a couple of days. I'm hyper-invested in Khalipe so that's why it kinda works, but I wouldn't recommend her for this boss really. She's great in Chaos though.
>>549235509I refuse to believe there's people that can't get 9/9 bosses when the 2nd boss is literally just a shitty punching bag that sits there and does nothing
I play wizardry so I'm pretty buckbroken on grinding
>>549235642I can’t, I’m new and casual.
I don't understand why the schizo is being so aggressively hostile.
>>549235724I wish I kept it installed but the pc release took too long and having to move via touch was very obnoxious
>>549235642Do it with the standard deck to prove your point.
Personally I'm still having fun with the game as a day 1 player. Sure RNG tilts me at times, but that's every game I've played(card games) and I've learnt to just roll with it. Have 1 meta team(Tressa) and the rest is whatever I find fun, currently being Chizuru. That way I can never burn out, even when farming for decks.
>>549235642Anyone who went all in on the Beryl retain build will struggle to deal with his stacks
>>549235503Cool story bro, lets have this talk in 6 months. If you even have a /vg/ channel by that point, i'm not going to /vmg/ that's for sure.
>>549234967lab0 is unironically the best place to make support decks cause you can get forced learning apparatus with 2 morale and the lead pyramid
>>549235585you know, it's bonkers that the game already got >5m$ just starting this month. Nobody ever thought it was going to be this big of a hit. It also boosted Morimens playerbase by a shitload. This specific niche always had hardcore players waiting. It's niche games like this, Morimens and Wizardry that will be secure in their earnings as long as they commit to their playerbase with the unique dish they are offering. Any sort of heavy casualization on the game (specially something like the RNG) would 100% kill the game.
>>549235724Wizardry grinding is comfy and fast desu.
>>549235348Anon the fact that you find the primary game mode to be tedious is a sure sign that the game isn't for you. Chaos isn't a means to an end. It IS the game. It sounds like the hoyoslop tumor the game was saddled with left you thinking it might be for you, but it clearly isn't. It's okay not to like a game. You aren't gonna miss out on anything by uninstalling a game you don't enjoy playing. You are just making yourself miserable for no reason.
>>549235642Maybe I could but I tried doing Crab 9 with this funny Kelpie and it just eventually wrecked me over so I just said, meh, I'll deal with it later. The thing is, I still have more than a month to clear it so why bother clearing it now?
First run outside of lab 0 and I get a triple Shadow Reload build. My first half team is shit but somehow I still got 500k thanks to Tressa.
>>549235642I don't have a proper tressa deck(not even double ahadow reload), and I can't do it with my luke/hugo, but I don't feel like going into the mines. . .
>>549235585>Already lost 50% revenue compared to last monthOOFF
>>549235851It has gamepad support (official) on the Steam version. I play like that comfy from my bed often. The official manga it got is really cool.
>All the wizardry ojisans reveal themselves
>>549235724killing the cyclops once everyday for the monthly rewards kinda killed the game for me, so I'm just taking a break now. . .
i did the meme team to get to 500k, back to building waifus like orlea
>>549236329Sit down child the adults are talking now.
>>549236205post decks
saving all my rolls for her
>>549222943tressa can carry, as long as it's diff 8, and you deal over 90 damage per dot stack
>>549236329strategic games like this one are tailored for the old and wise anon-kun. Chaos runs? It's comfy time. Coffee and cigarettes in hand, I have the news in the back, while thinking of the pretty young girl working at the bakery while planning of ways to asking her out. You know the good side of being an oji-san? Young girls look up for you since you are in the husband material phase. But yeah, I'm loving the game. I put 50$ on it so far, and may do more depending on what good offer they release for xmas.
>>549233395>”Guh! I hate these classic designs. Where’s my zoomerXZY9000!”
>>549236619>and you deal over 90 damage per dot stackHow much Attack, Void, and DoT % do you need for this?
>>549236109>A shitty roguelike mode that barely changes anything per run, EVEN if you change the chaos worlds, is the only endgame that mattersMaybe 6 months was too generous.
>>549236645I'm conflicted because I love the strategic gameplay but hate the characters. Give me someone I can go all in for and autistically grind the best decks for instead of these bitches I don't care about.
>>549235724Understandable.
How old are you guysI'm 35
>>549236619wtf my tressa is just doing 60s, though she has 0 dot% substat
>>549233395This is the closest we will get to a metal gear solid collab
>>549236663I want a cool robot not a shitbox
Renoa caught me with Yuki
>>549233395This. It could have been Exia or something.
>>549236619>and you deal over 90 damage per dot stackhow the fuck
>>549236663>Gundam is a zoomer mechI'm gonna fucking kill you
>>549236761Bye anon, it was nice knowing you. May you enjoy your open world pastures filled with chests that give 1/100th of a roll.
>>549236805I'm 37. Love this game. Zero issues with the game modes. They did say the next gameplay mode will be focused on defensive formations, right? That should be fun to watch as half these rats will have a heart attack realizing they'll have to invest >3000 hours chasing an Orlea deck.
Friendly reminder to do your weekly bosses for potential mats today.
>finally get a Renoa deck that can make use of this Nia>Nia is now MvP everywhere with Renoa and finally beat 9/9 on both bosses first tryi'm gonna make it... She's so good and fun.
>>549236805I'm a straight white 36 year old pure blooded American and I still think this game needs a sweep function for the dailies and that either the weekly Chaos requirement needs to be lowered or there needs to be better RNG for epiphanies and copy events.
>>549237121>They did say the next gameplay mode will be focused on defensive formations, right?yea Tower mode will have no turn bullshit for rewardsjust kill and take your time to get to the next floor and get loot
>>549236109People keep saying that chaos is the game, and I agree that it SHOULD be, but all the game modes with rewards uses save data, so the incentives point to chaos being the means.
>>549237290Finally, a reason to use my Maribell
>>549236580Same bro.
That perfect deck you got? Get ready to farm it again for season 2
>>549237239>I'm a retarded autist diagnosed with ADHD on welfare and I still think the game needs sweep and auto functions so I can play it along with my other gachasThere translated it for the rest of the thread
>>549237454>tank team needs AoE, shields AND boss damageMaribell MeiLin Magna EASILY clears next season, invest NOW
>>549237519Yeah? That's the entire game? That's why I'm playing it?
For the love of God why the fuck have these retards put so much RNG on the goddamn Copy shit. I GET IT, it has to be a fucking roguelite. But there is too much RNG just to get to it. We don't even have enough epiphanies in a run. If you want to make Copy be a thing at least let us select the damn character to get the choices of.It's ridiculous how the game actively PUNISHES you for getting extra cards because they poison the damn selection. We already need to face RNG to get the 3/5 epiphanies and pray we get them before the boss or a copy event. But the Copy shit isn't even on a specific character, it's 3 options in the entire shared pool of non-Basic non-Unique cards. Even if someone wants to narrow down the selection to only a single unit being available it would still be in a next to impossible scenario you somehow managed to get enough card deletion to get rid of all the rare cards of 2/3 of your units - making a run extremely hard in its own and even then you'd reduce the odds to 3/5 again.This is so fucking bad I can't believe people haven't thrown a shitstorm over it. Seriously this playerbase only focuses on the wrong issues! To get a right deck not even with Divine Epiphanies is already a pain enough of (3/5) to the 5th power and then you stack this RNG over it to kick you in the balls.
>>549237290>>549237121I wouldn't be so sure, Epic7 has a tower too and it's a lot of varied gimmicks in there. And all the "endgame" floors are the gayest shit where the enemies scream bloody murder and fuck you in the ass if you ever DARE slap them with a single debuff or status condition.
>>549237519Translated:>I have to keep playing the game in season 2
I just started running Tressa and Cassius in chaos and they're FUN, especially in the midgame when the build isn't finished and you've got some wrong epipis and you're trying to adapt to how things shake out.
>>549237730Cause its a rougelite
>>549237290not what I meant, they did say we were going to get a mode that was more defensive oriented; made for units with shields and such. Can't pinpoint when exactly though. We only have peeked at a tiny % of the "farming" we'll have. Each new mode of play may introduce new rules and objectives that will make everyone make decks all over again, and here is the thing about that:- there are people that greatly enjoy this process- there are others that only want to skip everything for X reasons, most likely to "pull" for more this later thing is a vicious cycle that ends up destroying the game itself. Look up to GFL2 for example that at the very start it was an actual videogame, and now... they have units that clear whole stages that were carefully constructed before to last several steps of careful planning and strategy... to end in a single turn with a character that literally wipes the whole screen. They literally want that here, it's perplexing.
I'm only on tier 6 for zero system...
>>54923680538. Have no problems with Chaos other than wishing I could skip event dialogue once I've seen it(Toast). I think everything on the simulation side should be stripped from the game. The effects hoyoslop has had on the industry have been disastrous.
>>549237803as long as there is no turn bullshit Im fine with whatever
>>549237730nice reddit repostupvoted :)
Haru show me your panties
IIRC someone said in the last KR stream they are working on event dialogue skip? In EN they only said they would make skill animations faster, but I don't think they mentioned it being toggleable or not.
>>549238059
are there really people in their fucking forties making the dumbest posts to men and sperging out like children that they don't have the attentionspan and intelligence for a game like this?maybe it's true that humans revert to toddlers when they get older....
>>549237939Redditors would actually defend it and suck each other's dicks because they are proud of being cucks.
>>549237550Literally none of those things are true. When I quit a gacha game, I sell my account and I resolve to never pick it back up again. This is a game that I enjoyed very much before the Season began, and it scratches an itch that Slay the Spire did not exactly scratch for me. I'd like to be able to play it into the future, but the weekly requirements are just too high for a gacha game, especially because the odds of actually gaining something from the weekly requirements is incredibly slim while also being overly time consuming. Not to mention that the daily stamina grind stages are time consuming for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I cannot be dedicating this much time to a gacha long term. I'd rather be playing real games, even if I enjoy the gameplay of this game when I am actually in the mood to play it, which grows more and more infrequent with time as I become oversaturated with it while not really feeling like I'm gaining something from doing it.
>>549235851There's like no FOMO so you can just jump in whenever.Most of the launch/standard characters are still somehow the best characters. almost like...this game
>>549238135Sniff
>>549237730>We already need to face RNG to get the 3/5 epiphaniesThe odds are actually significantly worse than this thanks to the generic epiphanies that clog the pool. That's part of why it feels so frustrating to actually get what you want. The odds are even worse than you think.
>>549237730Little paggy:- the rng IS the game- the whole game systems weren't made in mind with you ending up with a "copy" option in every single run, even more getting 2 or 3 of them. The same goes for epiphanies, they are rare events- disrupting the RNG in any way breaks down the core of the game which is a difficult RNG roguelike experience. UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING ROGUE PART- the whole "perfect/ideal deck" IS MADE UP BY THE RETARDED SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY ITSELF, IT NEVER WAS MEANT TO BE THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED AND IT ISN'T WHAT YOU "NEED" TO ENJOY THE GAMEnot understanding *any* of this will merit you an idiot medal, now... little pag, are you one?
>>549237454>inb4 they put in enemies that buff their morale infinitely
>retarded post>trump imagesomeone please euthanize this poor fuck
>>549238278sniff what
I think I will need a godly Rin deck If I want the 5 extra turns
>>549238456I'm sorry that you are on the objectively wrong side of things. At least I know the type of person who defends needy gachas that have excessive RNG... on top of having dogshit homoverse systems. You're a slurper, and you love slurping.
Actual retards whine about not having the time to play videogames and DEMAND the entire game must be remade and reworked to fit their needs but somehow find 20 hours a day to shitpost on 4chanI think that's enough internet for tonight
>>549238459Her panties
>>549237886>to end in a single turn with a character that literally wipes the whole screenwhat the fuck
Hey I have two questions, is renoa actually useable? I love her style and wondered if I should invest in her. Also Chizuru seems to have numerous teams, which is best? I run her with tressa and rei but sometimes tressa isnt the best. Should I swap in luke, cassius, or keep tressa?
How good of a deck do you need to fully clear Basin?
>>549238608When you create radically extreme, fictional scenarios in your head and then argue against them as a strawman, it's very easy to believe that your "enemy" is retarded. Your type is very practiced at doing these things.
>>549238715Basin is piss easy in this gameYou can beat it if you have a tad bit of synergy and 2 good damage dealers.It's easier if you use elemental advantage for more damage.
>>549238715>Stuck at basinI assume you're a newcutie. "Normal" decks + equipments should be good enough (not-terrble epi on some cards, maybe a copy or two, basic/trash cards removed). Don't forget to gear your units up
>>549237928>I think everything on the simulation side should be stripped from the game. The effects hoyoslop has had on the industry have been disastrous.Big agree.
I think I'm finally ready to drop this game
Remember when Basin was the hardest content and you didn’t need extremely specific decks to beat it, so the roguelike part of the game was still fun? Good times.
I'm confident every single tierlist where they throw Renoa on Tier A or B is made by a fucking retard who has never played with her.She deals so fucking much damage but she is always below Kayron and Rin or some other bullshit.
I think roguelikes (and roguelites too although I haven't played as many of those) are best when there are a variety of random outcomes that you have to adapt to, but not when a random outcome just makes you instantly lose or win. And while there are no events in CZN that just kill you, getting a wrong epiphany or missing a copy event is equivalent to dying in a normal roguelike, because unlike in a roguelike your goal isn't to finish a run, it's to finish a run with a particular deck, which seems kind of retarded to me. The game should encourage you to finish the run despite bad luck, not quit early because RNG said so.
Bunch of professional gacha players(read: gambling addicts) joined this game at the start just in case it became the new hotness. Because they need be on the ground floor. They expected the game to be a certain way and it isn't. Rather than admitting they have a problem, it's easier to blame the game for being made wrong. Either the addicts will eventually uninstall when they don't get their way, or the devs will bend the knee and kill the gameplay to turn this into another dopamine generator. The former seems more likely here, because CZN won't ever compete with the bigger names on the latter front. Better to be a niche title with a dedicated fanbase than shitty generic gacha #51,384.
I'm honestly really happy that we are finally getting the point of the game itself filtering the gachagaming crowd so we can finally chill with only the people that autistically love card games.And hopefully less AIslop; like, man, is this plague invading even the gacha generals? Like, art is plenty for gacha games, and I have seen plenty of CZN on twitter lately.
>>549238879>>549238967Okay show me your clears and the units you have
>>549239117The hefty cost of rerolling codex was to discourage quitting I think, but it's probably not the way. Instead of punishing players, they should boost the rewards gained when finishing the run. The recent changes are nice, but they could be even more enticing.
I just want to queue up 12 rounds of the farming stages to get done in a single go. Also the momotalks kinda suck
lots of izzat farmers right now, the future looks grim when the only copy outside of bosses is now even more rare with the fate event added after the update, clearly the devs want it to be harder to get god decks for free and sending us all to codex where the units syphoning is real to get what you want to run grim
The game was fine without a leaderboard, you could clear anything without autistically going for specific decks. Now the game is rewarding people for autistically grinding perfect decks. As I said a few days ago, adding a leaderboard was a decision worse than Owen.
>>549239113>yah!>hah!>iku wa!
>>5492391131 tier lists are made with character at e0 and with semi casual decks. Thats all of them sweaty tryhard whale opinion is never used for any tl
>>549239117>because unlike in a roguelike your goal isn't to finish a run, it's to finish a run with a particular deckI disagree. I think the goal IS to finish a run. That's why they made harder difficulty levels. People just don't want to do them because they are fixated on getting decks; which should be a side-thing. Save data is a sort of "victory lap" where you can keep playing with your best decks in a mode that doesn't really matter(because of how easy it is).
>>549237080You say while grinding a roguelike with almost 0 variety per run for absolutely no gain. LMAO
>>549239336I haven't done this week actually, but it might look like this when I can have the time>Decks?MSpainting all 6 of them takes too much effort to prove a point to a stranger on 4chan
Have you used your free 1 dupe? Who is it?
This is the first gacha game that I've played in over a year, but it's cute seeing the white knights creating a bunch of extremist, fictional scenarios to strawman and argue against. They just keep doing it, too. They feel good protecting the honor of CZN from enemies who do not actually exist.
>>549239337Exactly, instead of save data boss fights they should have moved those rewards to beating high difficulty chaos.>>549239537But the game rewards you for building broken save data decks, it does not reward you for running higher difficulty levels. You're describing the game as it should be, I'm describing the game as it currently is.
>>549239773her tits look really fat on her ego and mindbreak what a shame that her l2d shows like they are not as big as they are
>>549239791Save data is farmable by retards but hard chaos runs are not.If you think players are sperging out now it would be a million times worse if they put rewards behind something actually difficult.
>>549237730Most of the basement dweller slurpers are only /here/. The majority agrees with you and also believes the game in this state isn't going to last. Anyone with half a brain knows everything related to grind, be it in and out of the chaos is way too slow and unrewarding.
>>549239791>it does not reward you for running higher difficulty levelsThe fun of being challenged is the reward though? The point of playing games is to have fun. Why does it need more reward than that? Even mediocre save data can do basin 30/30. The leaderboard shit is all cosmetic or cumulative score(meaning you don't need a good deck to get it). Hell, the leaderboard probably WAS intended to be whale bait, they just didn't anticipate the dedication of deck farmers.
>>549239771gayron. the jump from e2 to e3 was so big it changed how he play completelyhad no idea about that btw
>>549239759do you have memory fragments for all 6 units?
>>549238278
>>549239771Chizuru chose me, so I had to return the favor
Kek, the korean cucks are getting desperate, in their latest attempt to stir shit up, they're writing a whole ass essay, translating it to Eng with AI and sending it to gaming journalist sites in hopes it will actually trigger something
>>549240176Man you must be brown lol
>>549240176I don't even understand why the slurpers are doing what they're doing. If they add sweep to the stamina levels, the slurpers can still do it manually (they're not doing it on auto). If they make RNG better for Chaos, then that will just let the slurpers climb to higher Chaos levels and create better decks for their entire roster. If they lower the amount of weekly required Chaos runs, the slurpers who are playing this game 24/7 can still play the game 24/7. I don't get it.
>>549236556Decided to do another run since my first half was so bad.I have god memory fragments for Tressa though I'm still missing a bunch of potentials and levels.
>>549240042If retards are going to sperg out either way then I'd prefer the rewards to be tied to gameplay than to copy RNG. I don't think anybody actually likes the rewards being tied to RNG, at best they don't care because they got lucky early, or because the rewards aren't meaningful to them.>>549240219At some point you do need to acknowledge how a game is actually structured even if you have your own way of having fun with it. If a game has a really fun shooting component but for some reason all of the points and leaderboards and trophies and stickers and achievements and hats ignore the shooting part and is based entirely on picking up pine cones, then people are going to complain about how boring it is to pick up pine cones and I don't think they're wrong to do so.
>>549240260I do, though most of them are okay-ish. Example of "okay-ish":>VI: attack>Crit %>Def %>Def flat>Crit dmgAs long as the main stat is "correct" (typically crit % for IV, elemental dmg for V - atk is also okay, and atk for VI) and there are at least two good substats, it should be good enough. On support units def and ego recovery are preferred, but they don't matter too much.
>>549240176Here is the fucking thread were most people are agreeing that the grind IS the game:https://www.reddit.com/r/ChaosZeroNightmare/comments/1pfv1gv/chaos_grind_is_killing_this_game_for_me/
>>549236693>>549236837>>549237015sorry, fell asleeplevel 58 tressa with level 56 3 star partnerdoes around 98 damage per dot stack in chaos and 110 with a gold 5* weaponthe crit dmg is low cause I managed to reach the dot breakpoint by stealing a frag off of chizuru, that I made for heryou'd probably want to go for higher crit/dmg if you're running actual save data cassius cuz of morale stacking, but her hit damage is much lower in chaosbig tip, the +50% agony damage vital attack, actual doubles your dot dps, cuz it's +50% fixed damage(where agony is already 50%)
>>549240562You have to understand that some of the players of this game come from a game where you have to manually farm stages similar to the stamina stages of CZN for years on end and somehow be proud about doing it. E7 cucks are some of the most pathetic no life retards you will ever have the displeasure of engaging with in the gacha space, and it shows.
>>549241127I see E7 cucks complain about wyvern farming all the time, I never see them say that wyvern farming was a good thing actually.
CZN is a fantastic game and it's basically perfect as it is. It's just part of the game that I'm getting epiphany activations against the extra boss in Lab0. If this was part 1 of this event? Haha that's okay, go again! Am I right? Us DIFFICULTY KINGS love this.
>>549240963>stole a frag of BRICKzuru, that you made for herbased
>>549241273Underrated post.
>CZN is a fantastic game and it's basically perfect as it is
>Introduce event/dialogue skip in chaosSure, why not>Reduce weekly chaos stuff (currently 8000)Sure>Sweep simulationSure>Increase chaos rewardsYes please>Make it less RNGGotta stop you right there chief
>>549240963>+50% agony damage vital attack,I bricked myself by getting the +10% for every agony now that I think about it, but seeing the 3000% x 3 is satisfying, I don't feel like farming another tressa deck for now though
>>549240562Because they don't play the game they're paid actors by mihoyo to try to kill the competition, they do this all the time in vg. Their end goal is to frustrate as many players as they can so they quit czn.
>>549237730I'm pretty sure it's much closer to like 3/15 for your desired epiphany
just fucked my shit up
top 1 CZN leaderboard is probably the grindest thing from a gacha game in the entire medium
>>549241440based post make it even harder to make save data. honestly they should take it a step further and monetize chaos runs. you get 3 runs per day and if you want more you have to buy the chaos subscription.
>>549241579Or just get lucky.
>>549241475Ahh, that's why they're spamming >JUST UNINSTALL THE GAMEin all caps. They're homodrones upset that ZZZ lost to CZN.
>>549241273And the boss give no copies! They will LOVE us for it :)
>>549241579Doubtful, I've heard some horror stories about Granblue.
>>549238715my friend who started 3 weeks in, still can't fully clear 30/30 basin btw
>>549241546Generic epiphanies diluting the """3/5""" pool on key epiphany cards is okay. It's just part of the game. I live for this shit.
>brick brick brickkys
>>549240664>the game has chaos modifiers that are so hard most people write them off as unplayable>the event focuses on a seasonal chaos complete with new cards for you to experience playing with>the event chaos also includes higher difficulty levels that are actually challengingNo, I'm pretty sure challenging yourself with Chaos runs is the point of the game. Just like it is for every other roguelike game. Every part of the simulation shit is trivial enough to be beaten with intentionally bad decks. It's literally just a hoyoslop checklist that we know was added late in development; likely pushed by the publisher since "copying hoyo's bad decisions means copying their revenue right?" Hyper-fixating on the leaderboard when you don't even need a good deck to get the meaningful rewards from it is silly. Also let's be real: Every single color of that sticker is fugly.
>redditor>keeps mentioning E7What the fuck are you even complaining about? The rewards are the same across the board, if you're gonna complain about something then complain about the 500k score mark being the minimum goalpost for all the rewards, or training in camp fires being useless compared to -5 to all units. I genuinely don't understand the "perfect deck" grinders. Are you all autistic?
They should increase the numbers of epiphanies from 5 to 7 to make it even more skill based to make a perfect deck.
>>549241727nope gbf is pure braindead f5 farming, the only thing where you need to farm a bit is content that is actually fun and coopfarming chaos is nowhere near black screen gaming If you meant GW then I agree
>>549239537>victory lap>where if you make the deck too good, the system randomly fucks up the deck in a billion ways because of the arbitrary rulesnice
How do I get 500k lol The highest I could get is 180k
>>549241986Copy paste what everyone else is doing.
>>549241635this but unironically
>>549241273HUGE difficulty
>If you allow it, players will try to optimize the fun out of the gameMan...
Since i expect this garbage general to be full of metaniggers cuckposters and shitposters what other mods should i install for DD if i got the hero and all monsters anaertailin mods as with lustiest lair
>>549242037Unauthorized, counterfeit use of blob.
Hey guys I made this game and I let the players do whatever they wantOh fuck the players are doing things we didn't intend and they're ruining it for everyone. Well I better not do anything and let the project crash and burn because that guy is having fun.
haha actually there should be 15 generic epiphanies for each card instead of the 10 we have now, and you should pay smilegate 10 dollaridos every time you want to copy a card>t. still watches binding of Isaac runs in the big 2025
>>549231625>I mean you don't really need a god deck to hit 500kuhh yeah you do, it's impossible to 5 turn side one without ML+V or Yuki with a god deck
>>549241273I get the sarcasm, but there's people who unironically defend this type of shit.
>>549241273>tfw you finished a run without activating whirlpoolNothing wrong with this KINGjust get luckier
Rajeed is having meltyyyy~how many posts now were he spergs alone? Yes, I want more epiphanies, yes, I want chaos to be even LONGER, yes I want the copy card even to be even *harder* to get. UNIRONICALLY~
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>>549242707>how many posts now were he spergs alone?Holy ESL. So it's the Indian Izzat farmers that are calling other people Indian?
>>549242771rajeesh...
The people complaining about meta are the same ones that don't play above tier 9/10
>>549242709except everyone is using Tressa now
>>549242279Fuck the police, I do what I want
smilegate needs to bite the bullet make it so you can't get all your epiphanies in a single run. also, the game needs more generic epiphanies as well to bloat the pool.any fucking agreerers?
>>549241273The epiphany rate was improved I thought?
>>549242951theyd need to make Chaos 3-4 floors minimum if they want to compensate which i personally wouldnt mind
>>549241654Pretty much yea, sadly for them they make it too obvious.
>>549242707Let the party go even harder with the next ranking:- The boss now has:instantly kills your team if you attack him with a normal attack- inmune to DoT- every time you create a card it'll debuff your dmg to straight up zero- morale only buffs the bossAt least a few of them will eventually happen regardles of the state of the game. There will never be perfect decks, we all will keep on grinding a new one every single season. And you know what? That's a good thing!UNIRONICALLY~
>>549243054Fun fact: I went out of my way to hit as many battle zones that run too because I was sick and tired of trying to build Chizuru. I didn't get the forbidden card either so I have to do it again :)
>>549241986Use mika/cassius/tressa or go fuck yourself. Hope you enjoy!!!
>>549234667>anon clears side 1 in 5 turns with a fucking tankHow the fuck are you going 50k dmg in 5 turns on Khalipe?
>>549241273>Vero Shield still there>Whirlpool>Repose still no epiphanyI get the sentiment but if you're still continuing with that run till that point, then you're just retarded. Resetting a run doesn't cost anything (except for the forced Lazy buff) so it's really your fault for forcing the run.
>>549241986hope you got tressa cassius mika built otherwise you can go fuck yourself
>>549240616getting 3 copies in lab zero is crazy work
ion wanna copp no mo bricks feel me?
>>549242707Easy to make posts like this when you don't even play the game i guess.
>>549243238I was building Chizuru and had Tsukuyomi copied 3 times. What schizo shit are you bitching about
>>549243328>I[ - ]
>>549235796>doesn't like grinding for perfect epi rolls and x4 dupes to have a CHANCE at beating 500k score to get missable roll currencyuhhh schizo??? just le grind for 12hrs a day like us??? git gud lol we LOVE doing chaos here with the events we've seen 1000 times can't be fast forwarded
>>549243192My big secret is it takes me 6 turns. I think I can do it in 5 with better Nia/Rei decks though.
>>549243328So why the fuck would you care if they get epiphany in that fight? They don't affect your Chizuru dumbass. Isn't that your sarcasm?
What am I looking for with a Tressa-Chizuru-Mika team other than to remove Bound?
>>549243174>>549243239Nooooooooooo
>>549243361next shitty response please >>549243459>DURR WHY ARE YOU POINTING OUT A FLAWED SYSTEM IF IT DIDN'T AFFECT -THIS- SPECIFIC RUN
how many posts now were he spergs alone?
I'll build a team for 2nd half that doesn't have all three of your usual suspects.
>>549237730>This is so fucking bad I can't believe people haven't thrown a shitstorm over it. Gachabrained low IQ neets are used to getting fucked in the ass, and they make up 90% of this general
hey tressa Mika Cassius is fun with seeing Cassius hit for 2k per attack
I like Tressa Mika Cassius because they are 4*Whales are absolutely seething
>>549243361bro really put his head in the sand, just ignoring his postreally thinking is this the average rogoolike enjoyer in the thread
I will>continue playing until eos>not give a shit about powercreep not existing>not care about the ranking sticker nothing burger>play zzz at the same time and enjoy my two cakes>not make a boogeyman for the weak popularity of the game >take my time with the game and not bumrush content>hope for nips to draw more fanart for the game>pray for total gook cuckschizo death>pray for a good rewrite >pray for sales jeets offing themselves
>>549243580Says high IQ gentleman shitposting on a mongolian basket weaving forum
>>549241273Ok so let's change it. You get all your cards unlocked at the start and every epiphany is the card buffing kind. Uh oh, now your copy pool for boss fights is atrocious. Better make copies all selected too. And let us pick our epiphanies; having to reset for those sucks. Oh and divine epiphanies too; don't want to reset for those either. Whoops now thin decks are impossible. Better make it so you can remove as many cards as you want from any shop, for free, with no point penalties. Actually let's just do away with points entirely, they don't really add anything to the game. Now that I think about it, they should just remove Chaos and add a deck creator instead.
>>549243710Based hopechad
>complaining about RNG in RNG game
>>549243710>ZZZKEKS
>>549243517Come back when it actually affects you fucking humblebragfaggot
Tribe 9 EoS'd for less
>>549243710>>pray for total gook cuckschizo deathnyoo sorry saar but free rolls are free rolls
>>549243710>>not make a boogeyman for the weak popularity of the gameCZN made more money on the monthly chart than ZZZ did, despite ZZZ having all regions included and CZN only having GL. Btw.
>>549243710The japanese specially greatly enjoy the gameplay of this game. I haven't even once see them complaint about not getting copies or epiphanies. They do understand the core loop of the game. Them being the most important population of the game paints a pretty picture for the future of the game.
>>549243810>source: trust me broIt doesn't work. Interior tunnel is in the first few nodesThere are no copy event in those nodes
>>549243837>humblebragThe deck is shit without the forbidden card.
>>549238402>UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING ROGUE PARTyeah because getting the wrong epi once and your entire run is bricked is totally roguelite material, in better games you can keep going with what you got and make a build around it, in this you need to reset the second you get the wrong epi on some characters>paggynice projection brownoid
I started CZN entirely because someone posted Tressa's mindbreak art, ready to reroll for her thinking she was the new limited unit. Then I found out she was a mentally ill autist just like me fr fr and things have only gotten better since then.
>were he spergs aloneThe irony is palpable, why are they so bad at their jobs?
>>549243932Piss off, delete it right now then
>>549243710>not give a shit about powercreep not existingYou haven't played SG games if you actually believe this will be the reality for this game. ZZZ disgusting powercreep will feel balanced compared to this game in 1 year.
>>549242867>>549243953you know, if you look close enough there is a different shade of pink near her nipple, the devs really tried their best
>>549243710>pray for a good rewrite>when the "momotalk" thing appeared>it's all waifubaiting good fucking luck man
>>549243936>Save data is no longer "perfect"vs>Run is doomedLearn the difference. The game doesn't put a gun on your head and tell you to pick the worst out of three. Make the most out of a bad situation faggot.
>>549239101Yeah I do, now you literally can't even get the FOMO badges or missable crystals without running overpowered teams with 50+ hrs in chaos grinded RNG decksFun times, along with all the unemployed browns in the thread living off pag and water playing 18 hours a day saying the gameplay loop is fine
I wish YouTube didn't shill this game to me.
>>549243924Events can't repeat bro, the more you do the higher the % of getting the copy event.
>>549243924nta i've seen the copy event before the interior waypoint. not in the first few nodes though.
>>549239462Yeah they're balancing the retarded meta by making chaos more miserable every patch, we the players are being punished for their dogshit balancing
>>549241986My best result is Rei Mika Chizuru at 398k, hope that helps you
HORY SHIET dis nigga huge
>>549239101CZN was indeed a lot better before the season began. Back then we had infinite save data too. Good times.
>>549244235>dumbbell bigger than Veronica
>they put more event in lab0>mean even less chance you will get copy eventImagine if they didn't let you do other chaos for event
>>549244235she's mirin'
>wasting mats on 3* partners
>>549244235Mirin'
unchimasu!
>>549244287I'd be mirin' too, you're not straight if you aren't
>>549244050Well im talking more about the last 3 banners and the devs still have a problem with balancing the standard units among others so i dont expect any major powercreep for least half a year before the game starts getting its shit together and E7 has pvp vs our shit so i dont expect it to be that bad and still be able to use our favorites
They need to add Floor 3. But it's optional. It's a fuckload harder with a lot of punishment enemies with handicap mechanics. But there's special events that let you directly modify cards. Like add an extra effect/reroll epiphany/increase % numbersIssue is that it will please people who are good at the game and want a challenge.And casuals will get uber mad at how you HAVE to do the Floor 3 to refine your deck properly and then they will bitch that you will need to whale to get there since they are bad at card gamesThere's no winning.
>design the standard characters>release the game>everyone starts finding the op shit cuz of copies>release more midder characters to compensate>but they play more ok/whatevs with less copies>slowly start phasing out copy eventsgenius play by smilegate
switch to korean voice to hear korean feminists do cringe voice lines for (you)!
>>549244389yeah, who cares about nerfs and buffs when getting a good deck takes 8 hours of nonstop grinding
Yuki noob here, any of these decent?
>>549241273tldr: I'm a shit eating masochist and did I mention I love eating shit :D
>>549244389is chorizo like this?
>>549244484Left bro
>>5492444841 is the best one
>>549244473my supeki isnt cringe!
>>549244389You can easily get multiple copy in StS which means this game is badly balanced
>>549240740you sound like a redditard get euthenized
>>549241440>>549241635samefag
>>549244473>>549244519Are there any characters with especially good KR VAs? I'm on JP and I really like Luche, Yuki, and Chizuru.
>>549244619the shopkeeper is less annoying
epiphany reroll eta?
>>549244619no idea for CZN but i liked the gook dub for limbus 1999 and will likely move to gook dub for trickcal as well
>>549244484Left but with this eiphany
>>549241579The top players on the leaderboard are chink whales who pay lesser chinks to farm chaos on their account 24/7 for them
I'm doing my first run with Chizuru and wtf i can't gain AP??????Can someone explain me what is her gameplan??
Ja jannnnn
>>549244619Tressa's KR VA is so much more imposing than whatever the fuck she's spouting in JP; the ego skill especially.
>>549244797Her gameplan is reading what the cards do
>>549241986You need to beat the first side in 5 turns, which only the most busted character comps can do>E4 Rin with a perfect deck>Yuki with a perfect deck>ML+V>E3 + Partner Kayron>Haru/Khalipe with a perfect deckAnything less than these 5 teams won't be killing it in <5 turns, so you might as well give up
>>549244694Trust me, epiphany reroll isn't even going to fix anything. All epiphany reroll is going to do is it's going to cause everyone to be hyper aware that there are more completely useless, garbage generic epiphanies in the epiphany pool than they realized, and it was never actually a 3/5 chance to get the epiphany that they wanted. They'll patch epiphany rerolls in, literally everyone is going to be excited, then they're going to do their first Chaos, minute 1, and their Mei Lin isn't gonna get the "Move" Unity, and the rerolls are gonna cost 5 hourglasses, and you're gonna spend all of your hourglasses on your first Chaos run, and you're still not gonna see the "Move" Unity.
>>549244385lab0 has a third floor but it needs you to go to the void tunnel and trigger the void event. the third floor's just a heal station a rest station and the boss but you can still trigger epiphanies on the boss and get a weapon tho no copy event
you have the RNG of epiphanies, plus the RNG of random bonuses in random epiphanies eating the slot, plus the divine RNG trigger, plus the RNG of the copy event, plus another two copy events, plus the RNG of finding one that isn’t a boss battle, plus the RNG of getting the right equipment and events, we're not even entering the memory frags RNG btw
Real doomer hours here
>>549242864>playing high tiers where without every epi being perfect + perfect dupes means the run is brickedlol
>>549244917come on anon i'm asking because i'm not really understanding how is she supposed to be played
>>549243484Anyone?
>>549244798
/czn/ is prohibited from complaining about mihomo artifact if they are ok with current RNG landscape
>>549244484middle is god tier.don't get baited, mid with 3 dupes is the best loadout possible for yuki.
>>549245102You can choose to not use her upgrade card if your team has a lot of +AP divine epiphany cards. Just make a choice.
>>549244953
>>549245216Oh she doesn't have an epiphany to bypass that debuff? thanks
>>549244953>he didn't mention the crit rng
>>549243843God I miss it, was way more fun and skilled based than this trash gacha
As a new player, I can see why they hid the Memory Fragments section until you're at the appropriate level. I'm good, yeah I got filtered.
>>549244516>>549244518why the f are people trying to brick the yuki newfren by recommending left, its literally awful in an ideal yuki team since you'd only have 3 attack cards and with nia you can cycle through the deck every turn.middle is so much better.
this schizo do be postin' on cooldown
>>549244953>roguelike has layered RNG>surprised pikachu face.jpgI'd tell you to uninstall but>plus another two copy eventsYou never installed in the first place.
>>549195509>>549197087Late reply to last thread because I went to sleep, but the base stat increases from weapons are not affected by any modifiers at all
>>549245310
>rogoolike enjoyers are here
>>549245361memory frag grinding is a reasonable dealbreaker though, unlike muh deck RNG
>>549244252I agree OsanaiCHAD
They should just remove copy events from the game for it to heal.
I just play the game.
>>549245365I'm pretty sure that anon is talking about the rare copy event for the ore vein event for one of them, I've actually only seen it once in like 30 runs
>>549245524This but unironically, removal is too cheap
>>549244389>slowly start phasing out copy eventsThey are also phasing out getting epis on the problem cardsI went 3 runs in zero system where shadow reload didn't epi at all, every other card did
I love this game
>>549245639That's bullshit but I believe it.
>>549244721>>549244659>>549244834Thanks, convinced me to give it a try. It's about what I expected from gook VAs, which is that they make their voices less exaggerated, which is good for serious drama, but I kind of miss JP Tressa sounding like a sickly nasally nerd. I think it'll depend on what the overall tone ends up being in the future.
>>549245524True, they should remove copy events, all removals, decrease epiphany chances, and make it harder to get legendary and mythic equipment
>>549245639as long as resolve is an epiphany in the game smilegate's balance team deserves to be kicked in the nuts
Haru sex
