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I'm either too old or got tired of cheaters. I love games like THE FINALS or CS2 but sometimes I'm just exhausted and can't go on. Post multiplayer action games that are competitive but don't require too much mechanical skill or insane button sequences/APM
Not the focus on ACTION GAMES; I don't want shit like Worms or Hearthstone. There needs to be a realtime aspect involved or harsh time limits for moves/decisions. for example Chess would apply but only in the rapid or bullet variants.
>tl;dr
put simply, comp multiplayer games even my grandma could play and top leaderboards at?

so far what i've come up with
>Sea of Thieves
i love this game and with recent (questionable) balance changes it's arguably even more accessible
but instead of mechanical skill cheats you have straight up game systems cheats (flying, teleporting loot, disabling parts of your ship, server crashing, and so on) and it's unfucking playable with dogshit server performance and the growing list of bugs. also the devs are insufferable faggots.
>Splatoon 3
i don't need to say much here, nintendo just made the best shooter, period. I remember playing Splatoon 1 on Wii U a ton and tournament play was all about strategy and coordination. but it has a bit of luck involved.
>Rocket Leauge
now this requires a ton of mechanical skill and experience but you don't need to spam shit on your controller to be good (and you CAN be on top with a controller) and I could see my grandma becoming like a Champion at least in a year or so.
>Fifa/FC
we're hitting a low here but it's another example of what would apply
>Among Us/Project Winter
they fit the criteria so I'm adding it to the list as an example but it's not what I'm looking for
>some driving games?
but most of them rely on hitting precise movements, maintaining lines perfectly to score at the top, also some are just speedrunner type games where you grind out the same movements and shit for the top score which IMO is boring as fuck.
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>>1490746
DBD. You can just main a killer and be a massive faggot to survivors. But it's grindy as shit, from what I gather.
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>>1490746
Halo Infinite maybe, it's straightforward enough and pretty low apm.
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>>1490746
Having to read this shit made me realize the amount of useless shitters infesting this site
go and play stardew valley nigger thats up to your speed
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>>1490746
I feel you, fps online games are dead because zoomers just have insane aim and take out any tactical aspect of online shooters by just all aiming no braining everything. Plus there is also cheaters infesting every game that doesn't have some insanely invasive anti-cheat. I just stick with rts games where I can win with pure tactics and game knowledge even though my apm is dogshit.
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>>1490746
Overwatch 2, Team Fortress 2 and The Finals. These games provide you plenty of powerful characters, weapons or gadgets that don't require mechanical skill to use. Many of Overwatch 2 characters were deliberately designed to not require insane aim to excel with.
You can also be a faggot and pick up a controller, let the aim assist do most of the work for you.
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any game where mechanical actions are downplayed results in a situation where even at only the top 15% or so players are already perfectly optimal because the only real input required of them is making a (probably ore determined) decision every couple of seconds. fuckin lame, dunno why you would want to bother spending competitive effort on something like that. though I guess you don't really intend to spend effort at all, and neither do many others, which is why this sort of shit is so popular. the feeling of being competitive without actually doing anything involved with competition normally. ridiculous.
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>>1491513
>useless shitters infesting this site
100% agree, but not for the reasons you're giving.
Left clicking heads isn't peak skill expression. It just isn't. No matter what the modern FPS landscape has taught you.
Modern "mainstream" FPS games are just cookie clicker at this point, everything has been cut away and only left clicking heads is left.
You have any kind of weapon or gameplay which doesn't specify left clicking heads as peak gameplay and you get shitters saying the game sucks.
You are COD brain-rotted, and your kind ruined the FPS genre.
I'm fine with accepting COD as it is.
But you fucks couldn't just let it be, and you all had to push and cry and whine about how every FPS needs to be cookie clicker, for some fucking reason, despite the fact that you faggots won't actually quit COD and will always go back to it after shitting on and ruining every other FPS on the market with your trash, shitter opinions.
Everything has to be hitscan with you retards.
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>>1491339
>>1495966
DBD is weird because if you only watch the game or hear about it you would think that the skill floor is insanely low and that surely you can learn everything there is to know about the game in just a couple hundred hours.

Killer starts out being insanely easy, then at around 500-1000 hours you hit "max" MMR and will be frequently matched against survivors with 10 times as much playtime as you, at which point you have to take your lumps for a couple thousand hours before you're able to win consistently again.
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>>1490746
Deep Rock Galactic may not be a competitive game, but it has supplied the needs I crave for after leaving THE FINALS for good.

I'd keep playing THE FINALS if it wasn't a massive clusterfuck of bugs to play under Proton, but that's a story for another day. Deep Rock Galactic it is.
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>>1491513
it's not about being a shitter it's about being tired.
I'm peak LEM in CS on soloqueue and that's in EU, and I'd confidently call myself above average in games like The Finals
but I've just grown tired of the ugly parts of shooters
>most encounters are 90% aim 10% brain
>you're expected to practice some esoteric movement/tech/sequence for 100h to even the playing field at high elo
>some games eventually just patch those things citing them as unintended bugs
>you can't always tell if someone is cheating
>people legit cheat A TON, it's way more prevalent on any level than you'd think, and the higher you go the more rampant it is.
>and they love gaslighting others they're legit too, only to get caught in a banwave 6 months later.
shooters just don't scratch that same itch anymore with all this cheater and "aiming diff" nonsense in the back of my head.
essentially this >>1491812
and this >>1500865

>>1495198
>Team Fortress 2
soldier is stupidly fucking OP, and once you dump 100h+ on movement mechanicals on jumpacademy you can stsomp every single pub (sometimes needing a medic), and for comp that's only just the lower bound of expected skill.
sniper is 100% aim, which is mechanicall skill and split second reactions
scout is purely mechanical skill and split second reactions
demo is 90% mechanical skill
and specialist classes don't exist in sixes, the comp community is really autistic
>The Finals
I love this game and it's the only game I play since the past 4 months but you cannot say it doesn't have mechanical skill. It has a TON of it. Controller players only excel on specific hitscan weapons (LH1, Famas) because the aim-assist is cranked to the extreme.

>>1508365
Is finals it that bad under proton? Last I checked it had a Gold rating on ProtonDB.
DRG is not a competitive MP game to my knowledge?
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>>1508495
>Is finals it that bad under proton?
In short: every update they released broke the game for me. But your mileage may vary. Why don't you give it a shot? Me, I got tired.

>DRG is not a competitive MP game to my knowledge?
That's literally the first thing I said. However the gameplay loop hits just right for me.
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>>1509352
in case I didn't make myself clear enough here...
>every update they released broke the game for me
by "they" I meant the game developers, not Proton's
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>>1491812
>insanely invasive anti-cheat
All anti-cheats are basically worthless, the only thing that would fix matchmaking-based games are large staff of WHITE men (meaning you'll have to pay at least decent wages) who are trained in detecting cheats. Or we could go back to dedicated servers but hahahahaheeeeehohoho that's never happening.

Zoomers mostly don't have insane aim outside of the genetically talented, it's mostly just cheaters are fucking everywhere now, mostly due to pic related



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