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>Draw realistic pokemon
>Make them really grotesque and dark
For what purpose
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>>36089760
Juxtaposition. Originals are cartoony and cute.
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>>36089760
It's better than making them completely different kinds of animals to be "unique."
I'm sure someone can post the shrimp shaymin as an example even though that was a joke.
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>>36089760
But isn't Weezing supposed to be grotesque and dark? I mean, it's one thing to draw a grotesque and dark Charmander, but with Weezing that sort of thing is part of its appeal, being a hulking, bloated hunk of minerals with a oni face, right?
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>>36089760
>WAAAAAAAAAAH WHY ISN'T EVERYTHING CUTE
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>>36089760
Weezing is grotesque and dark, it's a retarded koffing (pleonasm) with a growing living tumor
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normally i agree but i think a mutant multi-head pollution creature with tusks and a skull and crossbones covered in lumps and connected by weird organic tubes is the perfect subject for that treatment. i like this one a lot, it'd only be better if it had weezing's gormless expression. the evil zombie roar face detracts from it, keeping the dopey but not malevolent expression would have made a nice contrast to the gross body.
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>>36089892
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inb4 arvalis
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>>36089903
Arvalis is good, though.
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>>36089876
>real life isn't cu-
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It's fucking retarded but somehow still better than making every non-animal pokemon into an insect that very vaguely resembles the original design when viewed from a specific angle. You know who I'm talking about.
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>>36089917
no, they really aren't.
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>>36089946
damn somebody is jealous
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>>36089932
>real life isn't grotes-
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>>36089932
>real life is always cu-
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>>36089953
>thinking naked mole rats aren't cute
your final mistake
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>>36089876
Making something ugly doesn't make it "realistic"
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>>36089946
Yes, they really are. He's so good he even works officially with the franchise.
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>ugly things don't exis-
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>>36089982
NOOOOOO DELET THIS! EVERYTHING IN REAL LIFE IS SUPPOSED TO BE CUTE!
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>>36089982
Anon, that's fucking sexy. What's it's peepee look like
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>>36089917
>>36089946
>>36089971
RJ Palmer is good in a technical level, but his ideas are lazy and bad. Case in point, these retarded Froslass and especially Mime Jr.
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>>36089961
Here you go, my good anon. A proper realistic Weezing.
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>>36090003
The Mime Jr is cool though. I liked how he made it a tadpole so it could link to Mr Mime, and Mr Mime itself is a frog so it can have the circular fingertips
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>>36090005
Used Cursed Image!
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>>36089982
to be fair they only look like this when they are brought to the surface
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>>36090003
Lazy seems like the right word. Like he could have drawn human wearing a kimono or a child clown and been done with it since those are the motif creatures. Instead he tried to make the shape of them the focus.
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>>36090018
But that doesn't even make sense. How come Mime Jr. is upside down and Mr. Mime isn't? Also Mr. Mime isn't even a frog in that pic, it's an axolotl. He can't make up his mind. Arvalisfags btfo.

>>36090076
This. 100% this.
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>>36090018
Except for the fact that as soon as any of them touch the ground they are no longer related to the original pokémon in any way shape or form, not visually and not in concept. A realistic Mr Mime or Mime Jr would probably have to look like some sort of humanoid creature and nothing like anything that exists in our planet's current evolutionary history, because they're silly designs and, yes, they'd probably look alien and creepy as fuck in real life. There's no reason to get upset about these, but I find it unfortunate because this approach misses the entire point and appeal of the whole "realistic Pokémon" idea, which is the question of how would these creatures look if you put them in our world. The guy can draw animals like a god, but that same set of skills is exactly what limits him and he doesn't seem to (or want to) get out of that box. It's all a big missed opportunity, but you can justify it as being his approach and all of what that entails.
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>>36089760
>make "realistic" pokemon
>make them animals they aren't even supposed to be based on.
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>>36090093
>this approach misses the entire point and appeal of the whole "realistic Pokémon" idea, which is the question of how would these creatures look if you put them in our world.

So how do you make weird cartoon things exist in our world?
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>>36089971
Look at this. Gyarados is obviously based on a sea serpent but he decided to make it some stupidly long fish that doesn't even exist. Nice "realism."

>>36090093
This too. My IQ isn't high enough to make a post like this but this describes it perfectly.

>>36090118
Dude, there's like millions of better artists that do proper realistic pokemon. People even said things in this thread. Scroll up.
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>>36089953
>>36089959
>>36089982
>>36089990
Didn't say that. Obviously not everything in real life is cute; I mean, look in the mirror. But claiming that everything in real life is ugly is just as wrong. When a Pokemon is designed after something cute, like Growlithe or Raichu, it makes no sense to draw it ugly. Puppies and mice are cute in real life, too.
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>>36090117
Would you draw Leavanny as a leaf ant, leaf-cutter ant or mantis? None match 1:1 to how it works.
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Unrelated example of how a realistic pokemon SHOULD look.

>>36090136
It's not supposed to match 100%, doofus. Not how it works.
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>>36090131
Wasn't this whole thread about rejecting ugly things? Plus this like a fucking eel for no reason.
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>>36090145
Then what is the point? Isn't a Pokemon, doesn't look like one.
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>>36090145
>it's CUTE so that's how it SHOULD look
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>>36090146
He's cute in a pug way.

There's not enough cute gyarados art, desu.

>>36090151
Are you literally blind?

>>36090152
Way to move the goalposts. See >>36090134
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>>36090152
>literally a shop of a real life animal picture
>not a realisitc pokemon
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>>36090093
Yeah, but...It's not a missed opportunity, there's nothing stopping him from drawing a Mr Mime that isn't a frog. The Abomasnow in the very same picture isn't a variation on any one real animal, it looks like it's own weird thing and it's great. He can do creative just fine. He just wanted to draw Mr Mime as a frog.Why the hell do people take someone having a different aesthetic than themselves so personal? I get the sentiment behind your post, and I agree I'd be into more "alien" interpretations than real animals. But people who COMPLAIN CONSTANTLY about an independent artist who never set out to satisfy fans' personal tastes get on my nerves. Everyone's a critic on the internet, and that's fine but ffs... There's art out there for everyone, seek it out, people.
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I hate it
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>>36090248
I love it
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>>36090118
>So how do you make weird cartoon things exist in our world?
They already do. You do it by looking at weird cartoony looking creatures in our world, studying what makes them funny for humans and then applying and combining those features with the concept of the Pokémon. Any animal lover knows how silly animals can look, even things that don't look perpetually dumb and are actually regarded as mighty majestuous beasts that teenage girls gush over like horses look dumb as shit when captured doing a certain face. In a way, by humanizing them a bit, animals can look really funny without being creepy at all. I think you can find good examples of funny and cartoony looking but also realistic enough and believable creatures in movies like Star Wars or GOTG just not the prequels, there might be too many offenders on those. Those funny humanoid things from the Jedi planet in TLJ are probably how I would approach a realistic version of a Pokémon like Mr Mime.

I think Arvalis can't achieve this realistic visual humor because his creatures look like they come from a nature illustrated book, instead of a funny photo of a grumpy bird your friend might take while on a trip. He lacks that humor.
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>>36090248
>It's just blue Ariados
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>>36090248
And that's absolutely fine, but some folks here get way too bent out of shape about it. Is it because Arvalis is ostensibly producing the "definitive" realistic versions of Pokemon? Did he ever make any such claim? There's plenty of competent drawings of a more draconic realistic Giratina or what have you. This one's an insect.
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>>36090136
At least they are mantis. Tell me how Mr. Mime is a toad
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>>36090289
>every draconic pokemon is a dragon in his "art"
>except giratina for no reason
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>>36090305
>he makes a pokemon with more than four legs into an animal with more than four legs

WOOOOOOOOW
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>>36090293
Presumably interpreting the blue things as external gills and working from there. Same reason why Chansey gets defaulted to "axolotl" when trying to do something more than "egg".
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>>36090293
It's a Pokemon. It's not a real anything. Design wise this one is almost always a grotesque semisimian fucker when drawn in a realistic style. That works for Mr. Mime, of course, because he's already a creep, but someone decided to go in a different direction. Variety is nice.
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>>36090305
There are many kinds of dragons
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>>36090305
The reason is because he wanted to? What other reason does it need? Unless you're referring to his descriptions which kind of form an ersatz natural history. But should he draw like a Goodra as a reptile because it's a dragon type? I bet people would be pissed about that lol
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>>36090289
>>36090231
I think the backlash comes from the fact that he's definitely the most popular one and people feel like he's misusing his skill yet he gets all the attention for it. He may not say it, but the rest of the internet says "Oh he's THE realistic pokemon guy, he should work on DEM MOVIES!" and if your favorite Pokémon is Giratina, you'd understandably get annoyed about this. If it's any random artist you can just move on, but there's that generally accepted idea that this is how they should look like in real life, NOBODY is posting the other more creative artists that do the same thing and that's what annoys people. However, I think this isn't even the case, nobody is actually that mad about it, they're just seeing it on /vp/ once every few weeks and discussing and stating their opinions about it, he's the only relevant artist in this topic and the only one that consistently gets posted.

TL;DR:
> There's art out there for everyone, seek it out, people.
Nobody posts it
>There's plenty of competent drawings of a more draconic realistic Giratina or what have you
Nobody pays attention to it, they pay attention to Arvalis and suck his dick
> But people who COMPLAIN CONSTANTLY about an independent artist who never set out to satisfy fans' personal tastes get on my nerves
>some folks here get way too bent out of shape about it.
Nobody is actually that angry about it, people sound and sometimes make themselves sound angrier online. Arvalis is just the one that always gets posted, so people always reply to posts about him, not because he's the worst but because there's more material to talk about and more threads to reply to (which at the same time is due to his popularity). Think of Sakimichan for shitty realistic anime art or Kynim for the nuzlockes.
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arvalis is cool desu
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>tim burton/courage the cowardly dog pokemon
I wish these nostalgiafags would stop
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>>36090383
ur mum is cool
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>>36090005
Trim your fucking nails cokefinger
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>>36090375
Good post. I know he's a little overexposed (not his fault) and people are more angry on the internet. I guess I've just always been salty about the latter point. Nothing wrong with a little anonymous kvetching or venting, but when it's all 80% of people on the internet do it gets tiresome. But I digress. I'm complaining right now anywho.
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>>36090136
But you dont fucking have to draw them like a irl animal you dumb fu k, they are their own species
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>>36090451
Then it isn't a real life animal. Just some edgy thing.
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>>36090117
>frog Mr. Mime
>bug Frosslass

Sometimes Arvalis is retardo
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>>36090490
lol manlet trainer
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>>36089876
Here it is, the apologist.
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>>36090500
nah he's smart. He focuses on getting the shapes of the pokemon right while making the evolutions feasibly work as stages of a life cycle.
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>>36090467
>Then it isn't a real life animal.
Of course it isn't, it's "Pokémon in real life". If the Pokemon is visually based on an existing animal, then you have something to work with already.
>Just some edgy thing.
Doesn't have to.
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>>36090131
Oh my god this just gave me an idea for some kind of regional variant for Weezing. Thanks for sharing this not-so-anon.
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>>36090422
topkek
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i HATE it
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>>36090519
buddy, sometimes a kimino-wearing ghost made out of ice.... is just a kimino-wearing ghost made out of ice.
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>>36090001
Degenerate
It's "What's its peepee look like?"
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>>36089760
It's fun.
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I don't like how Arvalisl's scientific description for Ghost Pokemon and ones with mystical concepts to them keep on saying people are dumb for believing in such things.

His portrayal for Trevenant, for example, is an octopus inside a tree. His description for it says people mistook Trevenant for haunted trees because of this amd then proceeds to say those people are basically morons for thinking this.
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>>36090316
Well fuck. I guess we have to make Feraligatr a kangaroo because it has 2 legs.
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>>36090536
Not realistic
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>>36090604
>people are dumb for believing in such things
they are
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>>36090604
>flying monsters shooting out gas and dinosaurs than can shoot fire out of their mouth are fine
>ghosts are dumb though
What a fucking retard.
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Arvalis is very hit or miss with me. Sometimes he makes cool shit that actually looks like just a realistic version of that Pokemon, like >>36090383. Other times he changes them but it's actually pretty clever, like >>36090535. Other times he changes things in a way that's just pants on head retarded, like >>36090519
>>36090248 and the Trevenant one.
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>>36089876
Based, qtfags are always ugly trannies, fat gays or braindead girls
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>>36090611
Kangaroos don't match the shape as well.
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>>36090393
Not that I'm defending the awful work of this fellow, but this is (or was, it's been extinct for a long time) a real animal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_(dinosaur)
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>>36090519
I like these, but why are they tortoises when it's a fact that sauropods did exist?
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>>36090705
if he made it a sauropod chikorita would look wrong since it has no separated head
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>>36090705
because the artist is a moron
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>>36090714
yeah, so moronic that he got hired to work on an official product

haha
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>>36090827
I'm out of the loop here, what did he work on?




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