Damn, where does the time go. I remember the gold and silver balls on Pokémon Sunday with the promise of a special announcement the next week, and they were officially announced that Friday (probably Saturday in Japan)

>>56434437
>not just the standard for a Pokemon remake
>but the standard for game remakes and Pokemon games as a whole
How did we fall so far after the DS? Can't blame everything on 3D models.

>>56434578
>doesn't have Megas or Fairy types
ORAS are better

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>>56434578
I wonder how much credibility the theory that states that masuda got so anally devastated by BW flopping that he pretty much sold out. it was nothing but excuses and compromised once gen 6 hit.

>>56435522
>Megas
garbage that only exists to artificially prop up 46 Pokémon, mostly Pokémon that are already worshiped or the devs personal favorites (and of course CHARIZARD and Mewtwo get TWO each), while reducing every other Pokemon to NPC fodder
>Fairys
can take it of leave it

>>56435523
bw is fucking garbage but it didn’t flop

>>56435541
>no battle frontier
HGSS just copied Platinum's Frontier and called it a day, and being forced to play Voltorb Flip to get TMs sucked ass.

>>56435523
They had planned to go global since gen 4 at least. Gen 5 was like the last hurrah to build up good will before they switched to nostalgia pandering and coasting on brand recognition.

>>56434437
The GREATEST Pokemon game ever created.
The absolute peak of the franchise during the absolute peak generation during the absolute peak handheld era for pokemon.

Its greatness has brought generations of jealousy.
I fucking kneel.

>>56435637
also a remake of some of the comfiest games of all time. people still get pissy when you say johto is good.

no other game in the series inspires such jealousy.

>>56434437
Not my favorite but still great games. Shame everything that came out afterwards ruined the series.

>>56434437
>new Switch 2
>introducing DS games either through the NSO or return to Vertical Console in some fashion
>HGSS is coming up, with few extras such as direct Home connectivity
>the scalperfags committing mass suicide
Pray for this, the meltdown alone will be so worth it

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>>56434437
The only remakes that kept everything from the originals while adding so many improvements.

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>>56434437
Already......

>>56434437
Definitely enjoyed them a lot back in the day.
But I don't know, replaying isn't the same thing. It doesn't feel like designed for multiple playthroughs.

>>56436146
i just it had gotten secret bases, then it'd have been perfect.

>>56436146
It's missing the odd egg from Crystal which was the best part about that version.

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>>56436642
>Not the Odd Egg
>2/3 Pokèmon available are on the route right outside of the city
?

>>56435538
I feel like Zard and Mewtwo getting two megas was because they had two different designs that they could never agree on which was better and just went “why not both?”

I actually wish more mons got two different types of mega to change how they were “fixed”. e.g. a Sableye Mega that defaulted to prankster and just had a dumb high attack stat, rather than turning into a slower wall. Or a Mega Gyara that became a water dragon mixed attacker. There are lots of mons where the mega doesn’t do “volume to 11”, it changes their role/function, it’d be cool to explore that more.

>>56435542
it had the worst sales and critical reception of all mainline pokemon game pairs up to that point

>>56437991
they were the highest reviewed games and barely sold a million units less than gen 4 compared to the 15 million drop off gen 1-2 and 8 million drop off gen2-3

best thread on the board

>>56438010
we weren't talking about dropoffs, but if you want to then BW was the first games of the new millennium to dip

also wasn't talking about journos

>>56441441
ended up selling more than rse and there was no large scale hate. fuck off retard

>>56435523
>it was nothing but excuses and compromised once gen 6 hit
This. The compromises gen 6 had like removing the battle frontier and removing berry farming and removing ribbons and removing pokeradar and removing fishing rods and not having basic features like trainer customization were ridiculous.

>>56441448
both of your claims are untrue

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1072224/pokemon-unit-sales-worldwide/

>>56441508
who?
not me

>>56441507
both of my claims are true
>bw/2- 24 million
>rse 23 million
>only hate was people crying about muh ice cream on facebook
fucking retard

>>56441515
strange headcanon, but schizos gonna schizo

>>56437991
DP: 17.67 million from Sept. 28/2006
BW: 15.64 million from Sept. 18/2010
HGSS: 12.72 million from Sept. 12/2009
B2W2: 8.52 million from Jun. 23/2012
Platinum: 7.06 million from Sept. 13/2008

The DS was discontinued in 2014. Online services ended on May 20th, 2014, so let's use that as our end date to calculate sales rates since we don't have any total manufactured copies info.

DP: 2792 days = 6329 games per day
Platinum: 2076 days = 3401 games per day
HGSS: 1712 days = 7430 games per day
BW: 1341 days = 11,663 games per day
B2W2: 697 days = 12,224 games per day

Narrativebros, how do we respond to this?

I miss how optimistic I was for the franchise back then

>>56441612
GBA was discontinued Dec. 9/2009
RS: 16.22 million from Nov. 21/2002
FRLG: 12 million from Jan. 24/2004
Emerald: 7.06 million from Sept. 16/2004

RS: 2576 days = 6297 games per day
FRLG: 2147 days = 5589 games per day
Emerald: 1911 days = 3694 games per day

Seems to me that B2W2 > BW > HGSS > DP > RS > FRLG > Emerald > Platinum

3DS was discontinued Sept. 16/2020
XY: 16.73 million from Oct. 12/2013
ORAS: 14.62 million from Nov. 21/2014
SM: 16.33 million from Nov. 18/2016
USUM: 9.21 million from from Nov. 17/2017

XY: 2532 days = 6607 games per day
ORAS: 2127 days = 6874 games per day
SM: 1399 days = 11,673 games per day
USUM: 1035 days = 8899 games per day

Official ranking
>B2W2: 12,224
>SM: 11,673
>BW: 11,663
>USUM: 8899
>HGSS: 7430
>ORAS: 6874
>XY: 6607
>DP: 6329
>RS: 6297
>FRLG: 5589
>Emerald: 3694
>Platinum: 3401

I don't want to deal with the GB games since they're hard to gauge with the eShop re-releases, and the Switch has yet to be discontinued.

Is this the latest cope?

>>56441338
Dilate

Switch sales as of Jun. 30/2024
LGPE: 15.07 million from Nov. 16/2019
SwSh: 26.35 million from Nov. 15/2020
BDSP: 15.06 million from Nov. 19/2021
PLA: 14.83 million from Jan. 28/2022
SV: 25.29 million from Nov. 18/2022

LGPE: 2054 days = 7337 games per day
SwSh: 1690 days = 15,592 games per day
BDSP: 955 days = 15,770 games per day
PLA: 885 days = 16,757 games per day
SV: 591 days = 42,792 games per day

>>56441782
Official ranking
>SV: 42,792
>PLA: 16,757
>BDSP: 15,770
>SwSh: 15,592
>B2W2: 12,224
>SM: 11,673
>BW: 11,663
>USUM: 8899
>HGSS: 7430
>LGPE: 7337
>ORAS: 6874
>XY: 6607
>DP: 6329
>RS: 6297
>FRLG: 5589
>Emerald: 3694
>Platinum: 3401

We can see
>SV > SwSh > SM > BW > XY > DP > RS
>BDSP > HGSS > LGPE > ORAS > FRLG
>PLA > B2W2 > USUM > Emerald > Platinum

Now obviously, how long a game has until the platform is discontinued skews the results, so games released later in a platform's life scale higher. The DS was dead less than 2 years after B2W2 while DP had 7.5 years. Obviously sales are at their highest closest to release and drop pretty significantly. But we can see BW is still an outlier among adoption rates, selling at nearly twice the rate of XY, though only being on the market for 3.5 years compared to XY's 7 years.

>>56434437
>Undid Crystal's dex improvements.
>Remove content like decorating your room and Goldenrod rooftop shop.
>Doesn't fix issues like level curve and evolution stones being locked to post game.

HGSS is overrated af

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>>56434437
>Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver were released on this day 15 years ago
FUUUUUUCK

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>>56441699
platinum "saved gen 4" but is one of the worst selling pokemon games ever. make it make sense.

gen 4 fans love it because of D/P, NOT platinum.

gen 3 fans love it because of R/S, not the massively overrated emerald.

>>56443630
Don't. Question. The narrative.

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>>56443630
I'd agree that the underlying DP games aren't that bad. If they had more Pokemon variety in the main campaign, I could forgive the slow gameplay, ugly sprites like Gliscor, etc. as they are mostly minor complaints. But the variety is so poor that I never feel like replaying DP when Platinum exists. RS doesn't have as poor variety as DP and unlike with Emerald I can trade in Pokémon from completed Colosseum and FRLG to an uncompleted copy of RS, which is useful if I ever want to play through Hoenn with a team full of Johto Pokémon or Kanto Pokémon not found in the Hoenn Dex (I can breed the traded Pokémon as soon as I reach Mauville to avoid the disobedience). Emerald prevents you from trading in Pokémon not in the Hoenn dex until you beat the Elite Four. So that gives me at least some reason to replay RS occasionally instead of Emerald. In DPPt, that absurd Gen 3 trading restriction doesn't exist, so there is literally no reason for me to replay DP instead of Platinum. I hate Purugly and Skuntank and even if I liked them I could transfer them in from my already completed saves of DP.

>>56443675
PKHeX came later. If I recall correctly, Pokesav was the main cheating method if I recall correctly but it didn't have a built in legality checker so people would use fake GTS sites like Pokecheck to see if the Pokémon they received in trades was legal.

>>56443713
Oh wait, it was Pokegen not Pokesav (Pokesav was even older). I remember now. Still not PKHeX though.

>>56443668
My issue with RS compared to DP is that there's fuckall to do after the League, and playing alone, there's this feeling of incompleteness. It always bugged me that you couldn't see the third starter line in Gen II. Well in RSE, not only can't you see the third starter line, but you can't see the final stage of the rival's starter. DP (and Platinum) allow you to see the entire regional Pokédex without trading, and that includes Manaphy. And then the post-game unlocks the National Pokédex, and even if you're totally alone with no Wi-Fi or events or glitches or GBA games, you can still reach over 350 Pokémon completely by yourself. And if you have Diamond and Pearl working together and do router shenanigans for the events and do dual-slot encounters (but no Pal Park), you can raise that number to over 440. There's just all this shit that unlocks once you beat the game. New areas, new story events, old areas get new mechanics, you can do a second tour through the game if you want and even do all the updated Trainer battles with their new teams. The Vs. Seeker makes this far easier than the Pokénav. So DP having a regional Pokédex of 151 didn't really bug me that much since I had already played Gen I and FireRed, and it's not like BW were that far off at 156 (4 being Mythicals).

Platinum adds more stuff like Gym Leader rematches, but DP had so much going for it already that I have to attribute the bulk of what I like about Sinnoh to them.

>>56443843
I also want to add that even if the amount of landmass unlocked isn't as big, DP gave me the same feeling that GS gave me when I learned there was a whole other region to check out after the credits. It was the sense that something massive just unlocked and that I hadn't actually beaten the game, that I was only just getting past the tutorial and entering the real meat and potatoes of the game. I don't really care about replaying Pokémon games. Instead, it's the feeling of steadily working on one file and bringing it to completion, truly making it my file. Some people stop after the credits, but it's like the game is really beginning for me and I'm about to spend the next 100-200 hours of playtime in that part. I don't get that feeling from RS, especially since I do everything as it becomes available. I'm not saving the Regis or Shoal Cave for the post-game or anything like that.

>>56443668
there's a reason i think emerald sucks to replay. massively overrated.

my only real issue with D/P is that the GBA link slot doesn't work until you get the national dex, but if that feature worked from the start, i'd have no issues. Platinum is better, but the base D/P are amazing games. more replayable than R/S imo, but i also don't love hoenn.

>>56443706
and we all loved them anyway. third versions that have low sales don't "save" a generation. fucking zoomers.

>>56443872
between this, and HGSS, i think gen 4 was the peak of the series. we got johto again, and sinnoh was so good...

>>56434578
>How did we fall so far after the DS?
In hindsight, I'm convinced that HGSS was an anomaly. Morimoto said it himself. Colleagues told him that he was doing "too much" for a remake. Then you look at ORAS or BDSP, leaving things out, cutting a corner here or there. Maybe he really did do too much. It makes his direction stand out that much more.

>>56434437
>Replaces Kris with shitty OC donut steel character.
Crystal is better

>>56434437
playing through HeartGold for the first time at the moment. it's fun. I like it more than anything else Gen 4.

I thought the shit about Whitney's Miltank was always a meme. I do not remember her battle being as annoying as it was in vanilla Gen 2.

>>56448216
"um actually guys i hate content and features, games should go back to being 4mb with fuck all to do"

bro tetris on GB is 10 dollars i'll buy it for you myself, stop bringing this shit to RPGs

>>56448216
Pokemon is a franchise by autists for autists

>>56435522
>doesn't have Megas or Fairy types
Wow sounds epic

>>56434578
Gen 6 focused on the casual player.
Gen 7 wanted to focus on people who mostly play mobile games.

The Gen 3-4 dark ages of the franchise where they couldn’t just coast on nostalgia and name and had to keep hardcore players happy was an era of quality we will never see again.

>>56448763
This seems accurate to me

>>56448763
Based

>>56448763
>Gen 6 focused on the casual player
Hardcore players aren't the ones screeching about the game being too easy.

>>56449784
What is a hardcore player?

>>56449805
People who play PvP.

>>56449812
Gotta love those Gen 3 hardcore players then

>>56449784
Yes they are.

>>56449821
Yes, Gen 3 hardcore players exist. I have no clue what your point is.

>>56449938
No they aren’t.

Sad that retarded ecelebs tarnished the reputation of these games

>>56451650
Yeah. The same thing happened with XY.

>>56441639
optimism in general died in the late 2010s

>>56451650
They were never good.

>>56451667
Then why were they praised to high heavens then

>>56451704
because johtods formed a secret police who monitored the internet and sent anyone who didn't praise HGSS to a Siberian work camp, that's why the Russians were spying on us.

>>56451716
If a Johto hater was told this, they would believe it 100% without question

>>56451650
>>56451704
>>56452119
Johtimmy, why are you ban evading?

>>56452134
Are these 'Johtimmies' in the room with us right now?

>>56452119
I see all sorts of conspiracies peddled by johstans

>jan made people hate johto
>johto haters are from a discord server dedicated to raiding
>johto was designed to be worse than kanto so it wouldn't outshine it
>rs's release killed pokemania
and so on

>>56452457
>>jan made people hate johto
he's not the sole reason, but many ill-informed Johtohaters' entire arguments are just parroting him
>>johto haters are from a discord server dedicated to raiding
discord raiders have been shittin on all games except Swooshie
>>johto was designed to be worse than kanto so it wouldn't outshine it
if johto really bad enough to warrant the hate it gets then this isn't a conspirarcy theory
>>rs's release killed pokemania
that's just one or two schizos bating for (yous) TIME killed Pokemania.

>>56442909
>>Doesn't fix issues like level curve and evolution stones being locked to post game
play the game retard. you get all of the original evo stones after 3 badges

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>mind breaks the 3DS babies just by existing

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>RS killed Pokemania
You guys do know fads don't last forever and the well was bound to dry up eventually.

>>56434437
Frick, I'm getting old.

>>56453659
Ironic that the 3DS version of Crystal is the only way you can legitimately get the GS Ball event in English.

>>56435542
BW is the best Pokemon game that has ever come out from Masuda.
>b-but the r-remakes and third versions
those arent directed by Masuda and they get extra years of development from an already existing base. When you compare BW to RBGY, GS, RS, DP, XY, SM, etc, BW is the clear victor in quality. To call it garbage would be like calling everything else that came before and after garbage too.

>>56455668
Unova is dogshit and so are its ugly fakemon. Stop tainting this thread, retard.

>>56455696
Shut the fuck up retarded Yawnfag. I wouldnt be mentioning Unova if you didnt bring it up to begin with, soulless faggot.

>>56455714
I didn’t bring anything up. Take your awful fakemon nigger game and kill yourself, faggot. BW is DOGSHIT.

>>56455731
BW is the best Masuda game. You will have to live with that for the rest of your life Yawnfag.

>>56434437
Wow, I remember my dad taking me to gamestop and waiting in line to get a copy during summer break. Had a blast playing this game, time really does fly by.

>>56455738
BW is shit only shilled by trannies and faggots.

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>>56455757
>BW is [discord opinion] only shilled by [mentally ill babble and headcanon]
Wow you sure showed me Yawnfag, dont you have a discord raid to go back to somewhere else?

>>56455785
>Wow you sure showed me [schizo nigger headcanon]
Don’t you have a gun to fellate nigger?

>>56455855
Trust me, nobody sucks XY's cock more than you do.

>>56455861
Yup thats why we are getting Legends Celebi next

>>56455900
Nobody expected nor asked for Legends Z-A but good on Zygarde, hopefully hes a bit more relevant than Arceus was in his own game.

>>56455913
I would say Arceus was relevant enough in PLA, though personally I wish legendaries were optional challenges, not mandatory for the plot, I did not like being forced to bring Palkia to the Origin Dialga fight at all.

>just want to celebrate hgss anniversary
>these retards bickering about masuda's writing for gen 5 and 6

>>56435523
it's just game freak being an incompetent developer and the jump to full 3d being too big for them to handle. there are other issues with TPCi etc but that's what it boils down to, every single non-pokemon release from them has been a massive, massive flop. if Pokemon's development falls through, then Game Freak's cultural footprint would have amounted to nothing more than a Wikipedia page about a studio that folded in 1994, with a couple 700 subscriber niche youtubers making videos about how Pulseman is ackshually an underrated classic

>>56456579
>and the jump to full 3d being too big for them to handle
in what way

>>56456580
i'd say environment design and map design is the big one (as the models were outsourced to creatures); it's a lot easier to add in more cities, routes, and locations - and ones that feel immersive and large/lengthy enough at that, when they're being constructed on the same scaffolding that you've been refining since gen 1 (similar perspective and resolution and 4-directional movement, biggest jump was probably rs to dp but they took their time with that and even then it took Plat to really iron out all the kinks). when you're spiritually a SMALL INDIE COMPANY who has only ever made Pokemon games for the most part (especially in the period from RBY->XY) instead of properly coming into your own as a developer that fosters talent and shows ambition, then you end up with shit like Ambrette Town the moment you have to do something slightly different than refine your old maps for the new gen (which in fairness, was a craft they had more or less perfected until then).

when you're charting uncertain waters and big daddy TPCi is giving you a deadline, then that's how you get half-baked shit like XY. the problem was that it worked and the game sold millions and that became the working model, it ships when it ships. you can see they're still struggling to find their feet with their switch releases to this day, SwSH and SV are graphically embarassing. you can still see glimpses of good ideas though but they're always chained to some bad implementation, so the amateurish-ness shines through. SM was an honest attempt to integrate a character driven story with the game's world, but the execution is spotty to the point where the entire game ends up being linear because of it, and the antagonist is never fully realized outside of just being a shitty person. By the same token, SV seems to want to grant the player freedom, but the world they explore is empty and lifeless; the towns aren't even lived-in.

>>56456617
>i'd say environment design and map design is the big one
the environment design and map design that's been 3d since gen 4? yeah it was a pretty massive downgrade from hoenn, true

>>56456617
>all this text
>doesn't actually explain what's wrong with any of XY's maps
>complains about the maps not being large and immersive enough when lumiose city is objectively the largest and most immersive city in the franchise
Every time.

>>56456622
3d models, but the maps are designed around the same premise as their fully 2d predecessors
>>56456625
Do I honestly need to? There’s no content in the fucking game dude. Nothing happens in 90% of the towns, many of which are cramped and unimaginative (Ambrette, Camphrier, Cyllage, Coumarine all have almost nothing notable about them) along with less towns/cities in general and almost 0 side areas to explore. It’s a hollow game with a hollow overworld but I figured anyone chilling in this thread already agreed with that notion and I didn’t have to explain it. Lumiose is the outlier when it should have instead been the standard.

>>56457152
>3d models, but the maps are designed around the same premise as their fully 2d predecessors
You mean like XY?

>>56435523
I believe it.

Remember, Gen 3 and Gen 5 got shat on hard because they weren’t Gen 1. So why bother trying to make something fresh when you can introduce 70 new pokemon and just throw in a bunch of kanto (and lucario) pandering instead of anything remotely creative

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>>56435523
Masuda 'sold out' during the development of BW because that's when TPCi was formed and Game Freak lost what was left of its semi-indie status. The initial plan was for BW to have a third version like Platinum and Nintendo forced them to make a sequel instead. XY were the first games designed with the TPCi philosophy of having a simultaneous worldwide release and so Game Freak steamlined the development of their games so that they could always meet their deadlines. Back in 2005 Game Freak had the power to delay Diamond and Pearl by a whole year, they can't do that anymore. It's no surprise that Masuda checked out creatively during this period.

>>56462566
Gen 5 got shat on because the game was terrible.

>trying to make something fresh
yeah collecting 8 gym badges to fight the elite 4 just like kanto for the nth time sure is freeh

>>56441507
>>56441441
>>56437991
fucking retard

>>56463184
we don't sign our posts here

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>open HGSS celebration thread
>man gen 5 really fucking sucks right guys
Absolutely and utterly deranged (and I know it's not the Johto fans (mostly))

>>56464574
you must be 18+ to poost here, retarded child with his ebin underaged comebacks

>>56464598
stay mad johtoddie

>>56464618
>malding because he was btfo like the underaged scummy shitposter he is
malding

>the shitposters hit here, too
/vp/, I want you to meet them with same energy when XY's anniversary comes up.

>>56464588
blame the second post made by the DSfag who couldn’t resist genwar shitflinging.

>>56464699
everybody was shitting on legends ZA, and they will when it finally gets released.

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>>56464710
lol
lmao

>>56464699
>>56464710
Can't wait

>>56464712
Ok now post the board 1 week later
>NO I ONLY SAW WHAT I WANTED TO SEE, WE WON
Also the discucks wanted to shit on the unova remake, and they lost twice that day.

>>56464731
Weird cope but ok.

>>56464819
>No that didn't happen, you are copiung
Malding.

>>56464830
Who are you quoting?

>>56464833
Keep malding.
>Who are you quoting?
Your whore mum, which I am fucking right now.

>>56464838
Most normal genwarfag.

>>56449812
Man I can't wait until SMT can have hardcore fans by adding PvP, everyone who has touched a Megaten game until this point has been a casual. Clearly no distinction between the teenager who streamed the Persona 4 English dub while stoned and the guy talking about SMT IV's dungeon design, imported and played SMT NINE and a Japanese Xbox, and complained Soul Hacker's 2 lack of faithfulness to the game it's cribbing from.

>>56464699
/vp/ won't exist in 4 years

>>56434437
The 3D pokemon games showed us that pokemon following is a mechanic that only work with 2D overworld sprites.

>>56470642
It didn't work in 2D. Why can Shuckle and Slowpoke keep up with my running speed?

>>56453659
DJ Mary looks very cute there

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>>56464712

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>>56470650

>>56470650
because Ethan/Lyra are such powerful and talented trainers that their Pokemon have overwhelming respect for them to the point where they transcend the physical limits of their bodies just to be at their side.

>>56466099
Will sunflora ever get a decent buff.

>>56470650
kek now i'm imagining a fast as fuck slowpoke

>>56472656
>>56470650
There's IoA subplot where involving fast slowpoke that the player has to catch.

>>56472638
I will say that if there is a Benelux region in the future, they will pobably like to reference Van Gogh so it is a posibility.
Then again, they ignored solrock and lunatone for sun and moon.

>>56468338
Is that possible?

>>56473761
That bugsy

>>56473761
This pic is fantastic. I wish we saw characters interact like this more often in this series.

>>56446062
I think there are some things that could have been improved. The Pokegear's phone is worse than the Versus Seeker, Johto is still ridiculously biased against grass types as a region, Chikorita still needing more buffs, the Gym Leaders were improved but still need more.
But I feel those complaints pale in comparison to what they did add and are fixable with Rom Hacks.

>>56477216
>Johto is still ridiculously biased against grass types as a region,
out of the gym leaders, only Falkner, Bugsy, and Morty shit on grass types specifically which is average amount of bias most regions have against grass.
Pryce's entire team is Weak to Grass making it a even match, Jasmine can't deliver super effective damage to grass and her ace is neutral to grass, and Clair shits on all the starter types. Not even the Elite 4 can be said to be baised against grass since most Elite 4 are due to grass havign so many weakneses.
The only thing making Johto in particular biased against Grass is game freak insisting on reusing Team Rocket

>Chikorita still needing more buffs
all the Johto staters do, its just that whenver its time to hand out buffs or some fancy broken gimmick the Johto starters are either the last to get it or completely skipped. Only Feraligart doesn't really need a buff and that's more about water types in general being completely broken, there are are no Water starter who are shitmons.

>>56477264
>out of the gym leaders, only Falkner, Bugsy, and Morty shit on grass types specifically which is average amount of bias most regions have against grass.
>Pryce's entire team is Weak to Grass making it a even match, Jasmine can't deliver super effective damage to grass and her ace is neutral to grass, and Clair shits on all the starter types. Not even the Elite 4 can be said to be baised against grass since most Elite 4 are due to grass havign so many weakneses.
>The only thing making Johto in particular biased against Grass is game freak insisting on reusing Team Rocket
I would still say being hit by so many things super effectively isn’t good for a grass type, especially when compared to Bulbasaur in Gen 1. Grass types only have an advantage in 1 gym and Pyrce also hits them back for super effective damage. Especially when the other starters go neutral with or have an advantage on the Gyms and Team Rocket.

>all the Johto staters do, its just that whenver its time to hand out buffs or some fancy broken gimmick the Johto starters are either the last to get it or completely skipped. Only Feraligart doesn't really need a buff and that's more about water types in general being completely broken, there are are no Water starter who are shitmons.
I don’t think the Cyndaquil line needs help as it has decent stats, a good move pool, and better typing than Charizard. Sure it doesn’t get much love but it’s in a much better place when compared to the Totodile or Chikorita line.
The Totodile line are physical water types that aren’t crustaceans so they barely have any stabs, and they don’t even get Aqua Jet. At the very least they can hit for good neutral damage and have good resistances.
The Chikorita line have good defensive stats, but also have the most weaknesses out of the starters, while also not being able to do much with their level up move set if they do manage to stay around due to lacking Leech Seed via level up like the Turtwig line gets.

>>56477421
>they don’t even get Aqua Jet.
Totodile's had Aqua jet since HGSS

>>56477884
As an Egg move.

>>56478741
Not necessarily. You’re both wrong and sort of right.

>>56478744
>Not necessarily. You’re both wrong and sort of right.
What does that even mean? Totodile only gets Aqua Jet as an Egg Move in Gen 4.
Are you thinking of Aqua Tail, which it gets as a level up and move tutor move?

>>56478825
Yeah but you’re forgetting something and I wasn’t talking about Aqua Tail. Unlike you, when I say something it actually makes sense.

>>56478923
Could you explain what you mean?

>>56478009
Cool

>>56434437
With Johto be in the next Legends?

>>56436146
My only real complaint is some of the music could have been much better. Overall it’s good but some tracks stick out like a sore thumb. Like the trainer battle theme.

>>56436146
My only real complaint is some of the music could have been much better. Overall it’s good but some tracks stick out like a sore thumb. Like the trainer battle theme.

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>>56464588
This.

Curiously enough, I've heard so many times gen 2 and 5 being paired (me included) as fav gens. Its always those two (must be people with good taste).

>>56436627
There's a bunch of other little stuff missing from crystal, like that patch of grass on the east part of route 36, some missing trainer battles, and some crystal only rare encounters being removed.
I've only recently seen a romhack to restore them, but I'm glad somebody added them back in anyways.

>>56435522
I hate both, so HGSS is infinitely better

>>56481137
ds zoomers

>>56480443
That would be Unova

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>>56482184
DS? You mean the only gen where trading was actually well done? And the games had the most content ever?

sure.

>>56435522
>doesn't have [shit] or [shit]
>that's somehow bad
Eat a dick but like, in a bad way. Because I'm sure you usually enjoy it, you faggot.

Honestly who cares? The Pokemon company is about making money, they're never going to acknowledge any of their past games.

>>56485333
>hey're never going to acknowledge any of their past game
Except of course, the KANTOOOOO games

>>56462887
OR bw didn't have a 3rd version because 3rd versions usually had worse sales vs the amount of effort required to be put into reworking sprites, story, characters, etc. The only 3rd version which didn't completely flop in sales compared to its predecessor was crystal.

Also because Pt, E, and Cr all were significantly more polished games, while B2W2 and USUM weren't any more polished, their existence was only justified by story changes.

>>56485338
Yes, sorry Kanto's the only past gen which is still the money printer.

>>56485357
Crystal didn't sell anywhere near the amount of its predecessors, it was a huge drop-off from GS which itself was a significant drop-off from Gen I. It can be said that GS is the tail-end of Pokémania and that Crystal is the first post-Pokémania game. I wouldn't say that Crystal is some massive upgrade over GS either. Most of the new content associated with the Mobile Adapter GB never left Japan, with the exception of the Odd Egg and Battle Tower, both of which had some significant alterations. I think this is most egregious that the GS Ball was never officially available outside Japan, despite how ubiquitous it was with Gen II through the anime. Not only that, but Stadium 2 also lost some functionality since the Mobile Adapter GB didn't get adapted.

But when you consider that Crystal had
>PokéCom Center
>Online trading
>Online battling
>Battle Tower functioned totally differently and was online play only
>Pal Pad
>News updates that had unique minigames
>Battle recordings that could be replayed on Stadium 2
>Event distributions (ie. Egg Ticket, GS Ball, certain mail)
>Tournament trainer downloads that could be battled against in Stadium 2

But Crystal had
>Female protagonist option
>Animated Pokémon sprites upon encounter
>Some Pokémon distribution changes like earlier Sneasel
>Some minor visual and layout changes like Ice Path, some additional rocks in some locations but nothing major
>More focus on Unown
>A story more focused on Suicune and the Clear Bell, with Eusine, the three wise men, some stuff
>A new intro and title screen
>Some new original music (encounter themes for Eusine and Clair, the Raikou/Entei/Suicune battle theme, the opening theme, and the title screen theme)
>A Battle Tower nonetheless even if it functioned differently
>Some updated standard Trainer teams and rematch teams
>Some more utility with getting elemental stones through Pokégear calls

But Crystal was named after the crystal technology used in the Mobile Adapter GB.

>>56453659
Its the DSfags mindbroken by the 3d era.

>>56485782
Sure the extra content in 3rd versions was relatively small. Platinum in particular had very little extra to offer besides some increased pokemon availability, muh distortion world, looker, faster text and probably slightly better level balance. But compare that to buying a completely new game it just doesn't compare.

Sure, 3rd versions were an interesting idea and made sense when literally every Pokemon game was an improvement from the previous. The 3rd versions were good ways to test new mechanics/features, but by bw there just wasn't much more to add. Even SM and USUM were basically exactly the same games. Even this whole "second version" schtick has gotten old. I just want a pokemon game, I don't want to buy the exact same game a year later just because Game Freak is trying to scam me.

>>56485987
The B2W2 model and Expansion Pass model are ideal. There are things I like in third versions to the point I would call them the definitive versions, but I think that for Gen I and II specifically, RG and GS are definitive enough. Blue was made to give Shogakukan something to sell more magazines, Yellow was made because GS' development time was taking too long and they needed something to keep the brand relevant (Yellow was also considered a tie-in to the movie according to Ishihara). Crystal was made because Nintendo needed something big to sell its new toy. But when you play RG, you can complete the Pokédex with just those games. The same is true of GS with any one copy of a Gen I game. Yellow and Crystal just have some bells and whistles and I never got definitive version feelings from them. I doubt many people expected Suicune as following up Ho-Oh and Lugia, its only notoriety was that it had the Ho-Oh moment of the first Johto episode. And it was only chosen because of the wordplay. The game was named Crystal because of the technology used in the Mobile Adapter GB, and Suicune was chosen from there because crystal is 水晶 (suishou) and it has a crystalline design.

But everyone expected Emerald to follow Ruby and Sapphire, the existence of Rayquaza demanded it. Even though I consider Emerald more of a definitive experience, I don't think it fixes all of Ruby and Sapphire's problems since they're so intrinsic.

I remember the speculation for what they would call the third Sinnoh game, with stuff like Opal being used. It's actually some wordplay because Platinum connects Diamond and Pearl to Gold and Silver.

Diamond = 金剛 (kongou), literally metal/gold + hardness
Pearl = 白玉 (shiratama), literally white orb
Platinum = 白金 (read as either shirogane or hakkin), literally white metal/gold

Shirogane is the Japanese name of Mt. Silver. The Japanese name of Platinum the game is プラチナ (Purachina; Platina), Spanish for "little silver".

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And still the best mainline Pokemon games to date, really makes you think

>>56486445
>HGSS
>mainline

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>>56486922
imagine making this reply unironically.

>>56486922
I will try to explain it.
Mainline games are the games that follow the regular pokemon gameplay, specifically pokemon battles, pokemon catching and a trainer journey.
This include remakes, third versions, as well as the lets go and legends games despite their gameplay changes.
Examples of non mainline pokemon games are the snap, mystery dungeon and stadium games (they don't have a traditional trainer journey or catching mechanics).
The issue comes with games like colosseum. I think mainline games has to have some level of compatibility to count.

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>>56464588
luv HGSS
luv BW/B2W2
hate genwar niggers
simple as

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>>56434437
I can still remember getting in from school the day it released and seeing it sitting on the stairs as I walked in the door
Also remember getting the event Arceus and doing the Sonjoh Ruins event for the first time at a friend's sleep over
Kino memories for me

>>56488213
Why do people keep framing people calling HGSS as genwarring? Nobody hates on Platinum from the same gen, because it was actually good. HGSS is just really badly designed.

>>56488741
>people calling HGSS shit*

>>56488741
platinum gets more hate than hgss THOUGH

>>56488741
>s genwarring?
because it is. Literaly all the hate for HGSS started due to Swooshfags using Johto as a scapegoat. Before that GSC were fairly liked and HGSS were borderline worshiped.
>Nobody hates on Platinum from the same gen
because DP were such garbage Platinum''s mid ass looked good in comparision.

>>56488756
Where are you from? Because it's not /vp/.

>>56488766
GSC are terrible games and HGSS fix none of their fundamental flaws.
>worshiped
By low IQ nostalgia fags, maybe.

>>56488741
borts and todds call criticism against their childhood games genwarring

what else are they going to do? take it in stride and refute the claims? they can't

>>56453635
>locked behind RNG phone calls
lmoa

>>56489692
? hgss is definitely more popular than platinum here

>>56486445
It's not

>>56489699
delusion.

>>56489703
i can go check any poll here and see hgss is ranked higher u might be retarded

>>56489705
no one cares about your botted poll.

>>56435497
I've always loved Lyra's big muffiny pigtails. I want hair like hers. It's probably comfy to sleep on.

>>56489711
youre gay and insane

HGSS sucks because it replaced Kris with some shitty generic animu girl

>>56490090
What game is this?
>>56489724
Kris is ugly too.

I really wish new Pokemon games would just flop but retards just keep buying the dogshit released today.

>>56490090
Realistically could the GB have pulled off something like this?

>>56488730
That title-screen make me nolstalgic of my old pirated DS