ITT: We share a laugh over confused, misleading, or downright wrong information in media from the wild west of Pokemon's early days. I'll start with an all-time classic example.
>>56889693>Yessir, that Pikachu...
Old 4kids bumper that said arbok evolves into seviper
>>56889693did millennials really
>>56889693Okay the mirror move is an interesting tip. It would imply that normal type moves are the same type as the pokemon that uses the move. This would be an amazing mechanic to be honest, well in the earlier games anyway. would actually give mirror move cool usage as well.
>>56889693all of this is fake though
>>56889697>twin plasma cannonsif only
>>56890099just use a mon with aerilate/pixelate/refrigerate
>>56889693I think you posted most of them OP, but here have this
>>56890187another one
>>56890189looks like AIslop
>>56889693So that's where the bullshit about down and B came from.I never heard it until a couple years ago.When I was a child it was just "spam A".
>>56890226I was just thinking that lol. but they're real, I had the first one as a kid. from what I remember the info was mostly pretty accurate.
>>56890187>>56890189I could see the supposed Trainers here being in a game; the second girl in particular is cute. But then I see the fucked up Charizards and it takes me out of it.
>>56890187The crease on this book made her tits look really huge and I had to see if it was real and it wasn't
>>56890187>>56890189>Looks like AI generated>Largely predates machine learningI've been telling you, AIslop is just as shit as the real artists it's fed from
>>56889697>"Lizardo" and "Kamekus" show they had someone who can read japanese>"Pikachu" shows they didn't carewhy
>>56890085yes zoom zoom, we did.and it was glorious.
>>56890237back in the playground days we all held down and B.
>>56890241so the market for this book is english speakers who got hold of a japanese copy of gold/silver before the english release? that's actually pretty cool.
>>56889693has anyone disproven that holding down bottuns change the success rate?
>>56890859Yes, many, many times
>>56891532can you link one such time? i remember catch rate is affected by rng but i don't remember people proving that gb/c rng isn't affected by pressed buttons.
>>56890237I don't think there's ever going to be an original source for that. Every website under the sun back then had some variant of pressing a direction and A or B the frame the ball explodes
>>56891590>gb/c rng isn't affected by pressed buttons.Now that I think about it. Software is bullshit due decomps but hardware it COULD be possible by how those consoles handle the input buttons.Wouldnt be surprised if pressing all the buttons would lag the cpu and so limit the RNG options
>>56890237Almost all of those are fake
>GOTCHA
>>56890189i have this one still
>>56894358its not just lag. rng implementations rarely actually create a random number and more often they get a number from a place that changes numbers often, like memory operation ids. pressing bottuns could move those ids and change your chances.
>>56891590https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Catch_rate
>>56896276>article give the random number ranges in which catch is achieved>doesn't talk about how the random number itself is generatedthat doesn't prove it, anon. anything else? something that talks about how the gb/c generate random numbers?
>>56896352are you stupid?
>>56896366rng implementations rarely actually create a random number and more often they get a number from a place that changes numbers often. thats why you have online sites with random number generator (that work like i described) and TRUE random number generators which try to actually make a machine give something random.I'll ask again:how does the gb/c implement RNG? if you can't prove its independent from button presses than the held bottun myth isn't busted.
>>56896383https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QirPrbub21g
>>56896395>1:00>rng advance every frame and can even advance more than once per frame depending on the situationdoes 'situation' includes or excludes pressed buttons?>1:25>rng is diffeernt if you walk right than up than walk uop than rightthat suggests pressing buttons can affect the rng, tough it doesn't prove that it actually increase the chances. your video doesn't disproves the held button myth.
>>56896439he means moving around outside of battle you absolute fucking retard, which should have been obvious with the literal video that was playing while he was talking
>>56896452>buttons only affect rng when they also have visible effect ingamenowhere in the vid does it says that. you infered it all on your own.where in the vid does it says that rng is not affected by held buttons, or that catchrate is usually affected negetivly by held buttons?
>>56896460literal single digit IQ post
>>56896468video confirmed both that holding buttons affect rng and that holding buttons even without visible affect (12.25) also affects rng. myth still isn't busted.do you have any source that debunks the myth rather than helps confirm it?
>>56896478see >>56896276 and >>56896395You have already been debunked multiple times
>>56896481the first link didn't adress the point i was raising and the second helped confirm it.can you give an actual counter argument or will you present your concussion by continuing pretending that there is no need on your side to deliver further arguments?
>>56896491This is some extreme level of cope after you got BTFO
>>56896498>no argumentI accept your concession
>>56896502Whatever helps you cope, bro
>>56890189I saw that book in the store as a kid and, at the time, didn't comprehend a guidebook could have fake art on the front. I thought the thing on the front was Charizard's evolution and that book included the real secret to getting it.
>>56896481first link didn't debunk the myth (as explained here >>56896352 ) and neither did the second (as explained here >>56896439and here >>56896478)do you have any source that proves the held button myth is false?
>>56896539The first link literally explained the mechanics for catching in great detail, showing there is no modifier for holding/pressing buttonsThe second link explains how RNG is simulated in gen 1You got BTFO and proven wrong (again), cope and seethe
>>56896545the first link didn't adress how the random number generator works on gbc (the question raised in the very post it replied to)the second link agrees that holding buttons does affect rng in gen 1, strengtening the basis of the mythyou played yourself with the second link and now you are to scared to keep going to not dig yourself deeper.
>>56896553keep coping
>>56896557with what?
>>56890467>LizardoSeems like the person that could read Japanese was not the same person that wrote the captions, which also explains the Pikachu fuckup. Caption dude was just going off his memory.
>>56896439I don't there's anything to prove pressing buttons doesn't affect it, but even if it did, so what?It doesn't increase the chance, and it's not something you can meaningfully use. The myth is about increasing the chance, and RNG isn't the problem there.
>>56896880the myth hasn't been proven yet, but the video confirmed one part of the myth. for now it still a myth. 30 years later, this myth hasn't been busted yet.that doesn't say its true, but it does mean it can't be included in op pic as 'downright wrong information'.
>>56896914Its been busted multiple times in this thread alone including in that video and website that was posted, you being to dumb to read or watch a video is your own problem.
imagine being that one kid in a friend group who got a shiny rayquaza or something and you use it to spread lies about how to get a black rayquaza
>>56896983i explained how niether of the links posted proved the myth was wrong. if you think my explenation is flewed, provide a counter argument. if you can't provide counter arguemnt, post ad-hominem.
>>56897198He already posted two links proving you wrong.
>>56897236how did either of the link did that?(if you can't answer, post ad-hominem.)
>>56890623Also for people who couldn't wait for the new Pokemon game to come out and wanted to learn all about it.
>>56889693That "rare pokemon" entry is actually from the game manual. The manual had Jen Sugimori art to make it look more visually interesting, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the text. It's not actually implying that Zubat is a one-time encounter (that would be disproven as soon as you take your second step in Mt. Moon), it just happens that the art for Zubat was used on the same page.
>>56890237Well, when I was a kid it was:Left Y for when the pokeball tilts for the first time, right A for when it tilts the second time, down B for when it tilts the third time. So far this method seems completely original
>>56891590IIRC technically gen 1 RNG is affected by pressing buttons. However, the effect is just the game redoes the RNG roll, so your odds don't actually change. However if you were playing using savestates you could save after throwing a ball and if you fail the catch reload and press a button to try getting a favorable RNG roll.
>>56897272how is gen 1's random number generator implemented in the gb/c enviorment?
>>56897272pressing random buttons in battle has no effect on the RNG, its only actions that actually do something, for instance taking a step to the left will change the RNG but pressing left during another action wont.That anon is just coping hard after he got BTFO
>>56897284see >>56896395in 12:09its mentioned you need to hold up b select at the main screen. it doesn't really do anything ingame but it affects rng.in 12:20 its said you need to hold A as you load the game. it means there is a adifference in rng if you press A and if you hold A for stuff like selecting menu or throwing a ball.
>>56897255When you were a kid, gen 4 must have come out already, because the Y button didn't exist before that.
>>56897302all of these are performing an action, buttons are held so you don't have to time presses. nether are relevant to what you are claiming. either you fundamentally misunderstand RNG manipulation or you are trolling and these steps are required to get a desirable starting seed that can be manipulated later on. Even if holding buttons during a catch effected RNG (it doesn't) its not something you could use in a normal playthrough to increase the chance of catching, in fact it would be just likely to decrease the chance of a catch, but it actually does neither because there is nothing to change the RNG during that window.Not only that but the calculation on the catch was determine when the ball was thrown>whether a Pokémon will be caught is determined before any shake checks are performed, and shake checks are only performed if the Pokémon is not caught.so while you are holding B or whatever button trying to "manipulate RNG" the game has already decided the outcome beforehand.
>>56897348how does holding a bottun when loading the game has a different gameplay effect than simply pressing it?where in the vid is it stated that bottuns presses only affect rng if they have ingame effect?
>>56897374>how does holding a bottun when loading the game has a different gameplay effect than simply pressing it?if you can make frame perfect presses every time it wont, but no one is going to be able to do that realistically.
>>56897413where in the vid is it stated that bottuns presses only affect rng if they have ingame effect?
>>56897483Not only is it shown MULTIPLE times throughout the entire video, but if every press/hold changed the RNG every time it was pressed/held then every input would have to be frame perfect every time to achieve the desired effect, which is clearly not the case.At this point im just going to assume you are trolling because i refuse to believe anyone could actually be this dumb and incapable of processing even the most basic information.
>>56897498can you time stamp one time where it was shown in vid the effect of a bottun press during a battle?
>>56897516Can you type like a normal person instead of a ESL retard?
>>56897526I'll take that answer as 'no'.
>>56894666I got giratina in my first Pearl file with a pokeball... After using over 80 ultra balls, 20 great balls. I had 3 pokeballs from the beginning of the journey. It was infuriating but also funny, so I kept it.
>>56897536I'll take that answer as 'no'.
>>56897547whatever. anyway in the video in 12:20 you need to hold down A as you load the game. why does holding down A affect rng at title screen and not when throwing a pokeball?
This ESL guy has been sitting here all day seething because he got BTFO
>>56897559Damn son you fucking stupid, something wrong with your brain?
When I was in elementary school we used to play the TCG, but when it was banned we took to just pretend battling with the Pokémon at recessSomehow it got in our heads that Regigigas was the most powerful Pokémon. So powerful that whenever someone had them on their team you might as well give up now. Problem was because we didn’t have our cards or games, we could just lie and say we had them. I used to do that and then collect my schoolmates candy and toys.
>>56897561Yeah, BTFO by a vid he himself provided to prove his pointimagine that
>>56889693Some of those are obviously fan made
>>56897608>still seething because he got BTFOlmao
>>56897636he even try to mask his salt with reaction images, the absolute chumpwhat a show
>>56897652>Still seethingLMAO
>>56897623*all but one of those
>>56897657(you already did LMAO, you need some variaty to seem less pathetic)
>>56897673>he's still seethingLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
>retards shit up kino threadyou hate to see it.
>>56897678keep crying. get it out of your system.
>>56897683>still seethingLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>56890237For me I held A when the pokeball was closed, and released it only when it opened up.
>>56897692good good. let the rage flow trough you.
>>56897339Yeah I was a gen 4 kid, my ds ran gen 3 too throught a pirated chinese cartridge that had all the ds' library + a bunch of other consolos in it
>>56897704>still seething, still copingkek
>>56897723I see you are starting to calm down.but there is still some salt left isn't there? go on, let it out.
>>56897738>he's still goinglmao
>>56897693it might have helped, when did you stop doing it?
>>56890237>>56894666Back in diamond and pearl the rumor was that if you snapped your fingers in front of the DS's microphone while your Pokemon was confused it would snap out of confusion faster.>>56895133This does tie into one rumor I saw off a website that did work for me. The placement of Feebas in that river in RSE is reshuffled every time the trendy phrase in Dewford Town is changed. I read on a website that if you changed the phrase once, it would place Feebas on an easy to find tile, go to the southwest most tile of shore and surf up one tile to access it. Ruby and Sapphire's RNG actaully was borked, as it always pulled the same sequence of numbers starting whenever the game was turned on, so it makes sense that Feebas placement could be predicted without much issue.
