>>58590246
people are 10x more autistic when it comes to starters

machoke = good
incineroar = bad

Megatr is fine, it just doesn't look good when the shell is open
That's where most of the people have problems

What kinda slur?

>>58590254
>it just doesn't look good when the shell is open
And when the shell is closed it looks like totodile instead of gatr. If you like that, can you really call yourself a feraligatr fan?

>>58590246
Too many years accepting utter dogshit in any form

>>58590257
RETARF

>>58590254
>it's fine, it just doesn't look good 50% of the time
so it's not fine
could some retards here use a dictionary or google once in a while ?
mega Feraligatr has piss poor execution and random fans on the internet destroy GF's pathetic attempt

Chimecho doesn't look like a toilet

>>58590257
honky

>>58590246
People like this are the reason why designs have become memes and themes rather than just monsters fighting each other

>>58590284
Yeah, instead it just looks like a cock ring

>>58590246
Because different opinions, different takes

Some sees Mega Feraligatr as a Feraligatr embracing his inner totodile and using it as a form of strength and power, some sees it as Kamen Rider Revy, some sees it as a Toilegatr, some sees it as a Goofy Hungry Croc.

For Mega Chimecho, some sees it the same way as Feraligatr, embracing its prevo and using it as a form of strength and upper hand, some sees it being adorable and keeping with the Furin Wind Chime culture, some sees it as the same as Toilegatr, some sees it as a Chingle Dingle bell

>>58590246
One incorporates the design of its pre-evo better than the other. Simple as.

Why does the hood stick straight up when inactive

>>58590246
It's good versus bad execution of the same basic idea. It's literally that simple and to say otherwise frankly you do deserve a few slurs thrown your way.

>>58590246
Feraligatr is a humiliation ritual that outright says "if we could, we'd retcon it out of existence to replace it with Bigger Totodile."
The lore that outright says Totodile's jaws are stronger, and the only reason Feraligatr is stronger by default is because it's larger, meanwhile Mega Evolution results in higher power for Feraligatr because it's emulating Totodile's jaws is definitive proof of this.
Chimecho is just a simple incorporation of Chingling into the design with no implication that Chingling is "superior" to Chimecho in and shape or form, and it's only on asterisk technicalities that Chimecho is the "better form" of the line.

>>58590292
Yep. They really should have done a better job with Chimecho.

>>58590260
It's funny though
>>58590278
So it should just stay closed the whole time, basically stomp around like a trex

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I just like when coolmons get a cool mega. Feraligatr was a coolmon, and they made it into a prevolution reference that looks like a toilet seat while not even functioning because they have to dislocate and stretch its arms for the closed form to work.
My favorite mons already got megas back in gen6, cant imagine what it's like to wait for megas to come back and get shit like this

On a scale of 1-10: how delusional is it to believe that they'll slightly adjust m-Gatr's design in a future entry to make it more 'generally appealing'?

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>>58590321
>So it should just stay closed the whole time, basically stomp around like a trex
it should basically never have existed or redesigned after someone with a brain at GF/Creature realised how fucking shit it is
I swear these comapanies don't deserve to own this franchise, it's miles above their heads
>it's funny
if you're mentally disabled maybe

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>>58590289
looks like iron knuckles to me

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>>58590303
> humiliation ritual that outright says "if we could, we'd retcon it out of existence to replace it with Bigger Totodile
> higher power for Feraligatr because it's emulating Totodile's jaws is definitive proof of this

Dumbass never understood the whole embracing your childhood and uses that as a form of strength to fulfil your goal to success. Clearly never watch ‘Stepbrothers’ to understand the whole scene of the dad explaining to both of his sons about embracing and not losing your inner child and the two uses that as an advantage in the end. Same for Feraligatr embracing its Totodile and turn it into a deadly weapon

>>58590246
>one looks okay
>the other looks like shit
>wtf why do people have double standards
I hope this dude gets mugged by a nog.

>>58590331
I doubt megas are coming back. At best theyll, do what gen9 did for legends arceus and allows the megas from Z-A in gen10. Feraligatr is a fan favorite but doesnt have the shill power of garchomp, charizard, or lucario to get an alt mega

>>58590348
It's outright admitting that Feraligatr is a mistake and a failure because it can't embrace its inner child naturally and needs Mega Evolution supplements to compensate.
Too bad gatr will never be able to embrace its inner child in Champions when everyone drops it to go back to the ol' reliable Megas for mons like Kangaskhan, Salamence, Lopunny and Rayquaza.

>>58590348
Finally another cultured person who actually understood the reference

Saw people bringing this up a lot and this is what Gamefreak is trying to go for Feraligatr.

>>58590246
what does this idiot even mean with "they are the same", thats so stupid
I have no problem with silly designs, I loved mega starmie and mega chimecho, I just think Feraligatr's doesnt look funny or interesting at all, I'd be more open to a silly megagatr design that wasn't so fucking boring

>>58590370
See
>>58590366

>>58590374
Anon above mention Feraligatr as embracing its childhood and Kamen rider ref

Which make sense if you think about it because there was an anime going on about a grownup man wanting to be a Kamen Rider when he was a kid and never let go of that inner childhood of his dreaming. It’s also a cultural part in Japan for Kamen Rider fans because lot of the fans embracing Kamen Rider as part of their childhood and never stop letting it go.

>>58590366
See the other anon post on this

>>58590413

And it gets Sheer Force which makes it OU tier

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>>58590246
SoulSilverArt and his faggot cohorts have the shittiest opinions imaginable and deserve to be called niggers and all other manners of slurs and worse.
>>58590254
It does not, so much so that when it closes the shell it has to extend and break it's arms in the most retarded way possible, you might want to get your coprophilia checked you despicable subhuman.
Not even Gamefreak wants to look at this abomination considering they drew the scales wrong in the promotional trailer art for the DLC.
Someone made Mega Feraligatr as a humiliation ritual, that is not a question, it's not a stipulation, it's simply the truth.

>>58590424
Still doesn't change the fact Feraligatr is a failure because it's unable to embrace its inner child naturally and has to take Mega Evolution pills just to do so, whereas other species can effortlessly embrace their inner child as if it were second nature, and THOSE are the true winners of the Pokemon metagame.

>>58590413
>it's refereeeencing guyz !!
ok, is the design good ?
___no___

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A single image that describes a good chunk of the Megas from ZA like Starmie, Feraligatr and Skarmory.

>>58590374
They're the same in the sense that both are emulating their previous evolution stage; Feraligatr has a hood that makes a big Totodile head and Chimeco's ring makes a big Chingling silhouette
The main difference is it works fine on Chimeco because it was already an objectmon and the ring addition fits it naturally, while Feraligatr is a stupid ass idea that looks ugly, has to break its anatomy to function as intended, and isn't even conceptually cool

>>58590348
Stepbrothers fucking sucks

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>>58590434
Clearly this anon didn’t fully understand what the other guy is talking about.

>>58590413
I get what you mean.

I think the design works very well for the Japanese fans but not to the westerners. Kamen Rider isn’t even popular there in the US while it is the opposite in Japan. And I agree the inner childhood one because it’s also a part of the Japanese culture as a whole.

It’s basically a ‘Coming of Age’ theme for Totodile/Croconaw/Feraligatr.

>>58590363
>shill power
Explain absol then

>>58590503
Your entire life sucks

Both are shit because I don't really like them all that much

>>58590505
Gholdengo is an extremely good mon because it never lost track of its inner child (its childhood love of money), it wholly embraced its childish dreams to such a point where its love of money translated into BECOMING money and it's one of the most powerful Pokemon in the games for it, no Mega Evolution required.
That's why I'm saying Feraligatr is a failure, it needs external sources that can only temporarily lift it into its ideal state, rather than staying true to itself its entire life so its natural potential is uplifted to its best possible self.

Chimecho isn't bad. It's an interesting mega, Feraligatr is a giant fin that clamps on his hands and makes him look like a Totodile for some reason.
Why is that okay?
What does Totodile have to do with Feraligatr?

This, like many other megas, was a bad idea - especially for a starter.

>what does the first stage have to do with the final stage
are you guys fucking braindead or what

>>58590526
Feraligatr’s is a bad idea because it’s mechanically nonsense and aesthetically forced. The fucking extendo-arms is retarded.

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>>58590246
>Why yes, this needs a Mega Evolution
...why not a regular evolution instead?

>>58590246
>muh slurs
Okay tranny. Left looks good right looks bad. It's just that simple

>>58590548
This is like the 4th hoenn shitmon that got shafted with a mega when it really should have gotten a normal evolution first.

>>58590548
Because LZA doubles as a "get fucked, this mon that was viable for an evolution is never ever getting one now unless we regionally replace it!" check for both old and new Mega recipients, now that they've clarified that "only Pokemon who've reached their highest evolutionary potential can Mega Evolve" by having the characters question why Eternal Floette has a Mega Evolution despite being from a species that's normally NFE.

>>58590555
Sounds like Hoenns fault for not giving them Evos.

>>58590505
Completely agree on this man.

I remember theres one japanese streamer whos playing ZA on twitch few weeks ago and hes roasting the heck out of western players for dissing Mega Feraligatr or Ordile in their language. According to one translation from another viewer, he’s basically saying “This is why western countries like America, Hollywood and their gaming industry failed. Because people like these western players only watch woke movies and shows and wanting that to be the main influence of the US. Same for political propaganda. No wonder the americans and the west are so stupid not to understand and not respecting other cultures and references made by other countries like us in Japan. PS. same for the streamers, theyre fucking stupid to “understand” our culture. The whole toilet Ordile joke. Thats brainrot. Something that streamers and tiktok people will do”

>>58590413
oh thats very cool and heartwarming, Im happy for Feraligatr and japanese fans who feel this connection
the design is still pretty bad as a mega pokemon design

>>58590498
youre right in the sense that this concept works better for amorphous objectmons, I could see octillery turning into a giant remoraid gun, but megagatr just looks odd

>>58590246
one of them naturally blends with and expands upon the foundation of the base design, and the chingling reference could be completely removed or downplayed without harming the design
the other is laser-focused exclusively on the superficial resemblance and actively sacrifices visual cohesion to get there. remove the totodile cosplay and there is nothing left

>>58590585
Ok, that’s actually based. What a chad.

>>58590505
But Power Ranger is popular in both US and Japan though

>>58590246
Mega Fera would be better if they didn't have to lankeykong him to make the concept work. By that point they should have realized they need to go back to the drawing board. The fan concept where the bottom jaw was a neck collar instead would have been so much better. But ultimately it's just fucking poorly executed. The idea has legs and the actual application of it is like something a literal 2nd grader would come up with. Which can sometimes be soulful but most of the time just ends up being dogshit. The fakemon I came up with at that age have this degree of creativity put into them.

The arms are just so fucking stupid. It's not even a forced perspective kind of thing where they just look longer as an illusion...they literally just fucking THIS DUDE HAS A FUNNY FACE gum gum rocket stretch for no fucking reason just to force the model to work right.

>>58590586
It’s not only that

Do you believe that there are people hating on Mega Froslass because ‘it’s just a bigger Froslass head on a stick’ and ‘it should have been a G-Max form to begin with’? I did argue with one fellow online and they stated that a Mega Evo shouldn’t be this TALL and GIGANTIC from the start. Guy didn’t even care less about the whole Yuki-Onna reference because they think Mega Froslass is ugly and caring about how all the Mega Evos should be moderate size and height and not being a GIANT towering over the others

>entire thread is literally b-but it’s a reference!!!!
>even the fucking japs accept a shoddy design because of this
grim

>>58590621
People saying the arms stretching out is due to the Dragon typing

Dragons are known to have the ability to stretch out their arms and wings longer in myths due to the mass of inner muscles helping to expand their inner bones separately.

>>58590628
And it's a bad message if "i-it's good because it's embracing its inner child, just like KAMEN RIDER!!!!!" is the cope.
Mega Evolution is literally fucking steroids. Are you telling me that if I ever faltered in my path to adulthood, and lost sight of my inner child for even five seconds, I have to take drugs to be my best self?

>>58590246
One doesn't look stupid and makes sense. Nobody wanted a Mega Totodile bakugan. Why is this guy so keen on defending this dogshit design?

>>58590628
Even as a reference it's just poorly done lol. I actually watch Kamen Rider [spoiler[with my wife, who got me into the series[/spoiler] but they made it ass.

>>58590246
Simple. It's not about themes, it's not about ideas, it's not about messages, it's not about concepts, it's not even about the "execution" of anything former.
It's simply, one looks good/fitting, the other looks bad/unfitting.
Go back to your twatter.

>>58590246
They both suck, fuck this nigga

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>>58590643
It suppose to be a TRex from Revice reference

Bro be happy it didn’t have another Pokémon behind its butt forming the legs and a tail of a Totodile like in the Kamen Rider show LOL

>>58590623

What the fuck?

Bro that’s so random. What’s the problem of having a tall Mega Evo? There’s a first for everything

>>58590655
If it looks unfitting, then why the entire designing team didn’t disapprove in the first place? Clearly this is how they approve each Pokémon designs by learning about the concept, the idea and the execution according to the Tera Leaks

>>58590498
>the concept works better for objectmons
Finally someone gets it

>>58590246
>people like a mon’s design
>people hate a completely different looking mon’s design
>this is hypocrisy because le hecking inspiration
Are gatrfags seriously this retarded?

>>58590585
He’s right but also missing the fact that a design can just look pretty shit despite being inspired by something.
It doesn’t have anything to do with culture or brainrot or anything else. People just don’t like the design.

>>58590714
It works for either one majority or the other. Some will like it, the other will not.

Like the anon above saying about Mega Froslass. Some like it while others not which I’m actually surprise that there are Mega Froslass haters

>>58590585
>all of that polschizo rant to defend a shitty design because it's a quirky reference
Nippon men are embarrassing.

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>>58590732
Mega Froslass sucks. It’s just a bigger Froslass. I want Froslass to be beautiful and short, not a huge bitch.

These two are way better than Mega Frosl ASS

>>58590764
trying a bit too hard

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>>58590513
They chose to appeal to me, specifically.

>>58590683
Just because a board approved it doesn't mean it's good.
>But it's totally subjective!
No it's not. There is at least an objective part of aesthetics which makes things look pleasing to the general populace, which is why certain body types of men or women will be widely agreed on to be good-looking. Just like when someone shits on the floor and a group of scatfags consider it to be beautiful does not make it beautiful.
Arms for jaws and a skull that lifts up like a toilet lid, making the actual body look disproportionate, is not fitting for Feraligatr. Chimecho does not suffer the same problem because it's not a regular body like an animate being's and its extended ornaments look fitting for a bell.

>>58590246
One is done well, the other isn’t

>>58590246
>people will look straight at your face and call a slur if you like Mega Feraligatr

You damn right, faggot

>>58590363
>Feraligatr is a fan favorite
lmao no he isn’t

>>58590683
why is gamefreak the one company where people refuse to acknowledge the possibility that the people approving things could possibly be out of touch or make a bad decision
if another company spits out a shitty design people go
>yeah that's a shitty design
meanwhile if gamefreak spits out a shitty design people will bend over backwards and go
>uh actually it's approved by a committee and the team is always right therefore if the design got approved it must mean the design is actually objectively good and we just don't get it

>>58590246
concept =/= execution
Chimecho's is cuter, more subtly incorporated, works well with the mon to create a new visual silhouette and expands on the idea of Chimecho in the first place. Feraligatr just gets a retarded growth pointed upwards and stretches its limbs to force itself into looking like Totodile which it fails at doing because Toto's head is not that fucking big

>>58590824
I wish I knew man. It's like people willingly lobotomise themselves or shut off their brains when it comes to criticising Pokemon.

>>58590246
Feraligatr would've been so much better if you never got to see the underside of the faux head. Lower its default sitting to a point where it sits just over its head, and only put it into the upper position for a bite windup.

>>58590289
How many penises do you have bro

>>58590246
This dude has the shittiest takes ever. And they're always wrapped in a good layer of GF slurping and dicksucking.
In a way, I'm glad people like this exist, because it shows me how low people can fall and makes me glad I've never sunk this slow. They make for great cautionary tales.

>>58590927
one in my mouth, one in my ass, and one in each hand

>>58590936
>This dude has the shittiest takes ever. And they're always wrapped in a good layer of GF slurping and dicksucking.
but enough about Serebii Joe

>>58590331
9. Not 10 only because of the recent Gardevoir redesign in the short that made the bangs recede from the chin to nose, however that was a minor change and I don't think GF will be arsed enough to make it look at least bearable, and I don't think they have a reputation for walking back on their designs either. It'd take a massive overhaul to make this shit look good.

>>58590946
Mistah Merriku is at least getting paid for his shilling. These niggas are doing it for free.

>>58590246
>mega chimecho is a grand wind chime display that incorporates chingling into the design
>mega feraligatr gains a giant unsightly fin that makes it look like a big totodile but only in some animations
Feels pretty obvious why people might like the first one more.

>>58590951
The only viable cope I can see is that in the future they’ll add some motion where the fin is “folded” or hidden in some way.

>johto was my first gen and I like all starters equally
>typhslosion is never escaping the allegations, its even the top google search results
>feraligatr mega is a goddamn toilet seat
>meganium's mega is basic as hell but compared to the toilet seat, it may as well be a masterpiece
...I guess it could be worse, I could be a flygon fan

>>58590246
Why are you retarded? They are completely different. One is just a cute little design nod, a motif. It's still Chimecho at its core. The other is literally turning it into its better selling pre-evo. It is a choice driven purely by profit.

>>58590246
Gatr's is good if the jaw didn't stick upwards 90 degrees majority of the time. It just looks fucking retarded running around like that top right image
That's literally all the problem with gatr's mega

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>>58591280
>better selling pre-evo
Now that you mention it, they really just did to feraligatr what they did to raichu. But for some reason i find the raichu treatment far less hurtful than being turned into a bakugan with a toilet seat shaped cover

>>58591312
that's because raichu being shafted has always been the norm, the fact it got anything at all is already an improvement
meanwhile none of the other starters got hit with the age regression beam (outside of charizard Y's charmeleon horn but that really is nothing) so it sticks out a lot more

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I had so much copium for what megatr would look like since I hear it's leaked description but godamn, they just didn't give a solitary fuck. Even a quick Google search gave a salvageable version of the totodile shaped armor. I dont even mind the toilet hood, what's really lame is that it has to go off model and stretch it's arms to form the totodile jaw.

>>58591337
>being shafted has always been the norm
Yeah, it was more of a surprise that they didn't simply break the "only final evos get megas rule" and give Pikachu the mega instead.

>>58591357
Somewhat superior design but it misses the point of what they’re going for. Also the actual jaw didn’t need to be distended that way.

>>58591337
Mega Venusaur has the spots its pre-evos do. Zard Y’s single horn barely counts, it’s moreso the no-horns 1-horn 2-horn 3-horn idea.

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>>58591357
that looks like dogshit

>>58591452
lmao

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>>58591452
Let's pretend that gatr had ever been the most consistently designed mon in the series for some reason

>>58591492
give gs design back

>>58590257
Todophile

>>58590413
Now if only they could actually make a good design and keep that sentiment.

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>>58591357
There was alot of copium when he got leaked.
>Guys, he gains four arms!
It was a 3D animation trick.
>Guys, he only opens his disguise during the attack animation
Nope, he just has the lid up in both idle and official material. Only closes it down in one second attack animation.
People were desperate to salvage this design and it turned out that the worst possible scenario was real.

>>58590260
It's not like this is the first mega that echoes a previous evolutionary stage

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>>58592040
>it looks at its possible worst when idle
>get to see it in all its toilet glory when it goes mega

>>58591280
You're too smart for this retarded board

>>58592152
It doesn't look like that at all.

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>>58590246
This retard is crying that people like a good design instead of a bad one lmao

This is why toxic positivity and participation medals are a bad thing. Everyone isn't born equal, some things are simply shit, and some religions are objectively harmful (Islam). Fucking retards kek

>>58590246
>Mega feraligatr
Looks like dog ass dragged across the carpet
>Mega chimecho
Not good but not offensive to the senses

>>58590246
Left isn't a big scary pokemon

m feraligatr doesn't look bad because it's referencing totodile, it looks bad because it did it in the most retarded way possible

>>58592846
That guy really just said ‘they both have the same concept, that means their designs are either both good or both bad’
Imagine being so braindead that you can’t comprehend that a concept can be executed to differing degrees of success, pretty embarrassing.

So if we're already seeing mega chimecho, where's the new mega for Lucario, Absol, and Garchomp

>>58590540
thank fucking god someone in this thread gets it. People aren't opposed to callbacks to prevos, they're opposed to how it was done. Claiming that the two megas are the same assumes that there was NO OTHER WAY the feraligatr mega could have been designed, which is an inherently stupid assumption.

>>58590246
ragebait

>>58590540
>>58593103

Fucking dumbasses didn’t stop to think it’s the dragon typing that helps extend its arms like how dragons do to extend their wings and their arms in myth

>>58590246
skibidi gator

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>>58592897
>>58593007
>>58593021
>>58593030

>Haters: hehe it looks retarded and looks like a toilet
>Mega Feraligatr: Think again

>>58593223
I’m not humoring this retardation. You’re a faggot.

>>58593230
yeah we get it leddit, you have no standards. now go back

>>58593230
>I have tard strength!
That's nice sweaty

>>58590246
Feraligatr looks like ASS outside of the one motion it's designed for while Chimecho does not. fuck off polfag

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>>58593235
>>58593239
>>58593240

I’m humoring the anon above

You all stupid or born to be stupid. No wonder 2ch is roasting and laughing so hard because we’re so stupid like johnny wallahi salami

>>58593230
I’m saving this picture anon, pay no attention to the morons here. They only talk shit. Bet their real lives are shit too

>>58590246
Chimecho's mega evolution references its pre-evolution.
Feraligatr's mega evolution references its pre-evolution and also makes it look like a toilet.
If you can't understand why one is loved and one is hated, and you think the situation is the same because both megas reference their pre-evolution, then I don't know what to tell you.

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PFFF BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58593581
Despite all of that, the design does work for the Japanese audience (most of them did agree the helmet should be close down) but overall it works

You just can’t impress and satisfy everyone. Imagine if the helmet is down, majority would have like it but then…you have the other be hating on it and instead of toilet, they would call Mega Feraligatr a ‘bucket tray/blind gator’, making blind jokes. Then you have people complaining it looks too much like a fanart and then you have online tweets hating on the whole design and wanting to sue Gamefreak on it.

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>>58593587
Is Mega Feraligatr part of the group?

>>58593599
Orangutans aren't gorillas

>>58590246
Feraligatr is a starter and Chimecho isn't. People expect a higher level of design quality for starter megas

>>58593597
>Then you have people complaining it looks too much like a fanart
I don't believe that. Fanart generally looks good.

>>58590445
This. A mega being a reference doesn't make it good. It's like saying Big Bang Theory is good because they spew out random nerd culture.

>>58593617
It can be look good IF its done well in 3D model rendering and animation as a whole

>>58590555
Can't wait for Volbeat and Illumise megas.

>>58590246
>One looks good, the other looks bad
I know retards have trouble grasping simple concepts but this is silly

>>58593230
>gets one shot by any electric move
nothing personal, toilet mon

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>>58593321
>Mega Feraligatr defenders can only resort to violence because they can't defend their ugly mega
If you guys need to be violent towards someone, do it to the guy who designed it. It's his fault there's so much shitflinging about it.

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>>58593695
> then turns out the designer is a girl/woman and the the same designer that did the Totodile entire line and also the Chingling line

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>t-trust me guys japanese people love mega feraligatr!! There's not a single complaint from them at all

>>58593599
He becomes lanky kong for a split second, but not enough to join them.

>>58593722
>Me as an intellectual: I hate Mega Evos so all of them sucks

>>58593732
What sucks about the CHARIZARDs?

>>58593739
Y is just to sexy

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>>58593722
Found tweet
>nip makes good comparison
>typholsionfsg in comments complaining about how it only has hisuian form
They are just like /vp/.....

>>58593597
>You can't satisfy everyone
Japan is only a small portion of the pokemon community. Are we going to base aesthetics on the majority of the fans or on the ones who have a myriad of fucked up shit in their media culture which they're desensitised to?

This is not to mean that "what Japanese think doesn't matter", but only caring about one portion of the fanbase and calling it a day if they like it instead of being all-rounded and receptive to feedback from all angles is exactly what ruined the media with wokeism for everyone.

>>58593770
Divided by race united by HATE

it's kind of impressive how controversial a design can be to the point where EVERY country starts shitting on it

>>58593808
im shocked reddit loves garbage so much. feels like battered housewife syndrome. i thought they'd have SOME taste.

>>58593814
Reddit enforces positivity ALWAYS. They're only allowed to hate something if it's socially acceptable to do so.

>>58593814
Cursory search shows that they don’t see to really like it all that much.

>>58593832
they love mega victreebell and starmie though. maybe it's not shit enough for reddit? who knows.

>>58590246
god the arms look so fucking retarded

>>58593837
Clashes too hard with the base design while not really trying to be super goofy I assume.

>>58593822
Pokémon subreddits are fighting for their life, trying to justify a 30€ DLC whose map is a color swapped version of the regular game map

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>>58591492
Maturity is realizing that Krookodile is the coolest crocmon by far and the other two are just carried by starter privilege and peak at the first stage

>>58590246
one is done well the other isn't. Just because I like Litwick doesn't mean I'm obligated to like every objectmon. Just because I like Meowscarada doesn't mean I'm obligated to like every jobmon. Same shit

>>58590246
One looks good and the other doesn't. Does this retard think they're the same just because they both resemble pre-evos? As if that was the problem

>>58590246
>everyone's the same person
I know you're just joking around, but it's shocking how many people look at a fanbase and crumple them up into a single "person" to blame.
It's a bigger problem on 4chan since we're mostly all Anon, but it still happens outside of 4chan too.
For me I dislike both megas included in the Twitter pic, though I prefer Chimecho over that garbage on the right. I don't like that a lot of the new megas are leaning even heavier into reference territory, either. Half these designs don't even stand alone, you have to know the original source, which just leads to that "this shit looks ugly -> oh, it's a reference to that Kamen Rider villain? -> this shit is so cool, you just don't GET it" shit.

Then again, a big part of the remaining post-SwSh Pokemon fanbase is legitimately a hivemind that will straight-up vore you and shit you out if you say anything bad about any of the games. The fanbase HAS hit a critical mass where there's so many NPCs, secondaries and tertiaries clogging everything up that TPC doesn't have to give a fuck about putting out decent games anymore, anything they do will be defended regardless by the loud majority.

>>58590329
They don't even dislocate the arms, the game straight-up teleports new, longer arms in place because they can't be assed to stretch the armature out. Plus I'm pretty sure the fake arms teleported in have to have the spikes on them rotated 90 degrees because they're angled wrong in the "arm" mode.
My main complaint will always be the hood/helmet thing just sticking straight up, like, what the fuck.

>>58590623
Dunno if it's a hot take, but M-Froslass should just be an evo of regular Froslass, or just replace the base design.

>>58594151
>My main complaint will always be the hood/helmet thing just sticking straight up, like, what the fuck.
Yeah, i tried to look closely at megatr in motion and it does just seem to jump from open to close without much of a middle phase to it. And youre right, they easily could've made it look slightly better if that damn hood wasn't at a 90 degree angle. Watching it move with that thing sticking up makes the design much more jarring

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>>58590246
When will retards get that the problem is that different pokémon have different appeals?

Chimecho is not the same kind of design as Feraligatr. The former is cute, small and adorable. Meanwhile, the latter is cool, edgy, badass, and has a powerful, intimidating design.

Chimecho's fans won't mind a slightly silly mega concept, as long as it's still characteristically adorable.

Feraligatr fans will want an appropriately cool, badass and intimidating mega form. They don't want their awesome favorite starter being turned into a fucking meme for Shitter normies. I think this is how Starmie fans feel as well. It's incredibly disrespectful to the original pokémon and its loyal fanbase.

It's obvious that the ones who forgive Game Freak for shitting on these pokémon, just because the end result is "le funny" and "le meme-worthy", tend to be people who aren't fans of said pokémon. Of course they wouldn't care; they've never given a shit about those pokémon.

>UR JUST A TOXIC HAYDURR!!! THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GOOFY MEGAS LIKE MEGA SLOWBRO!!!1
Mega Slowbro was retarded but to be fair, Slowbro has been a silly, goofy pokémon from the start (although the Mega's execution could've been handled better). It's NOT the same thing as GF deliberatly taking badass monsters with huge diehard fanbases and turning them into memebait for social media engagement.
The only Gen 6 mega concept that could be said to have been significantly dumber than its original form is Mega Manectric, the giant rhombus.
Apparently, Mega Garchomp was also disliked by many, but that seems to have been mostly due to its weird chin; the core concept itself didn't feel like a gigantic slap on the face like Mega Feraligatr, it was just small design choices gone wrong. It clearly wasn't intentional.

Although there have always been silly pokémon and cool pokémon, it's a problem when TOO MANY OF THEM are retarded memebait, and pokémon that were supposed to be cool are deliberately turned into jokes.

>>58594474
do people really think Starmie looks intimidating and badass? It's just a starfish with a gem. It leans more towards cute than cool

>>58594474
>Mega Garchomp was also disliked by many, but that seems to have been mostly due to its weird chin;
I thought that was due to its nerf in speed making it worse than the original in the meta

>>58594474 (me)
Even though they once understood that different pokémon have different appeals, and thus they have different kinds fans, modern Game Freak keeps mixing "goofy" and "cool" up. All because it keeps normalfag manchildren talking about it and buying GF's buggy, low-effort slop despite the terrible quality of these games. I hope it's just a desperate tactic to keep themselves afloat until they can start making better quality games (like the leaks suggest they want to do) but something tells me I'm being far too optimistic.

Gen 6 megas used to focus on making the final stage look like it was a bit more evolved. Most of them felt like a natural development in the base design; a natural "next step". With a couple of exceptions, it wasn't an overwhelming change; the new additions to those designs were much subtler and better integrated than whatever the fuck is going on now.

On the other hand, nu-megas are entirely new and "surprising" concepts that almost completely overshadow (replace?) the concept of the original pokémon they're supposed to be a form of, and some end up being so overwhelming or absurd that you can't help but laugh. They feel like a joke, unlike original megas which seemed to be taken far more seriously (which isn't a bad thing despite what irony-poisoned zoomers might say). These terrible designs only "make sense" once you look it up and learn what obscure thing it's referencing, which isn't an excuse for a design that barely resembles the original. There's also a lot of designs that are so in-your-face that it makes you hate it instantly, whether you get the reference or not.

The new megas having so many callbacks to previous evolutionary stages is a new thing too. Old megas were about making the final evo better, not about reminding you of its previous stage. This is especially insulting in Mega Raichu's case since they were made to look like Pikashit (Alolan Raichu was by far better in that regard, plus its design was actually good).

It's because people actually like Gatr. Nobody gave a fuck about Chimecho before the mega. It's just dex filler, but Gatr is genuinely a great Pokemon design.

>>58594523
>do people really think Starmie looks intimidating and badass?
Obviously that's not what I meant.
It's about taking pokémon that have a certain reputation and a certain fanbase that loves it because of its traits (in Starmie's case, I'd say it's cool, beautiful, cute, mysterious, and so on, rather than badass), and then completely ruining its appeal by turning it into something absolutely stupid. All GF had to do was match Mega Starmie's design with Starmie's appeal. Starmie has never been a "funny" gag pokémon like Wobbuffet or something like that, and that's why Mega Starmie being a retarded joke is a problem.

>>58594525
I know that, but I was talking strictly about its design.
All things considered, despite not being perfect, Gen 6 mega designs weren't nearly as controversial (or stupid) as these new ones. The "mega chin" that several megas from that era suffered from wasn't a deliberate attempt to make them look dumb, unlike the ridiculously overgrown body parts in the new megas which are also way more exaggerated than in any of the old designs.

>>58590430
>Feraligatr gets an overgrown dorsal fin that is absurdly gigantic and conveniently resembles a giant red Totodile head, also Feraligatr has to dislocate its arms to simulate a lower jaw
>overgrown dorsal fin in the shape of a giant Totodile head
Who the fuck would seriously think this is a good idea at all? Holy shit, the reach. Don't care if it's a pop-culture reference, that still counts as reaching, just like Intelleon being James Bond because lol Britain.
This Totodile cosplay thing wasn't just badly executed, the problem is that it was a shit concept from the start. Any attempts to defend that idea are just cope.

>>58594553
>I know that, but I was talking strictly about its design.
It's a good design, the only reason it seems like people hate is because those who do like the design don't bother with those that don't I see popular content creators dislike m chomp so you already have their hive minded followers doing the same what do you expect from the pokefags who worship funny designs or slop games either way I see more people complaining about his speed more than the design I'm pretty sure that if it weren't for his nerf m chomp would've been as popular as regular chomp because lots of pokefaggots are hypocrites.

>>58594523
It was a mixture of cool speedy somewhat heroic starfish that dashed around like a shuriken and had some references to Ultraman and Pairans but ultimately a water-type starfish that lived in the oceans.

The mega stripped it from everything else and doubled-down on the reference which barely any average fan knows or cares about. Being a reference doesn't help if you detach it from its own found-identity.

>>58594870
I thought the reference was just that they designed it as a dancer to go with its dancer trainer without regard to how it'd fit with anyone else

>>58590246
Because they think they’re god.

Genuine question: how can it see when it has the totodile mode on?

>>58590246
>>58590246
These dishonest arguments are so fucking stupid. People don't hate Ferraligatr because it's a pre evolution reference. They hate it because it's a bad design. These people seem to think that saying "well it's a reference so it must be good" makes it untouched or some retarded shit like that.

Like Chimecho it's cute with it's mega. It's a reference and it's a fun design. IMO. toilet head totodile it's not. Basically their argument boils down to "huh you hate this shit design well it's reference so if you hate it that means you hate all references". Fucking imbeciles. What really gets me going it's the fact this shit opinion and empty argument must have like 45k likes and a gorillion upvotes in reddit.

>>58593079
November 19

In general, Megas are the worst idea GF has thought of with the franchise. Yet they still keep making them.
I think fusions are next.

>>58595934
they're far from the worst, not even the worst gimmick forms since GMax is there

>>58595934
that's because the ONLY reason megas exist is to shill CHARIZARD and the other KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO starters. The Teraleak revealed that. Everythine else about megas was slapdash and rushed.

>>58595934
I don’t agree.

>>58594523
I mainly saw its appeal as being inhuman and weird, sort of the appeal a lot of psychic types have for me like Sigilyph or for a non psychic type example something like the Magemite line. Were they are not necessarily cool or cute in the traditional sense but so alien they are interesting. Mega Starmie getting long human like legs feels off to me because it is adding humanoid details to a mon whose appeal was how inhuman it was. That plus it is just an immensly lazy design.

>>58595934
Dynamax was the worst. Mega's are only "bad" because they introduced the temporary gimmick system that every game is now stuck with.

>>58590250
1. Starters are far more important than random shitmons you can easily ignore, there’s literally hundreds of them while there’s only 3 starters per generation.
2. Machoke is just as bad as Incineroar - actually, probably worse.
>>58590764
Terrible taste
>>58591492
Gatr peaked in Crystal
>>58593040
Seriously. I see his takes all the time. almost always braindead retarded takes. Concept without execution is worthless.

>>58593770
Hold on, a Torchic shaped hoodie might be cool actually.

>>58595934
Mega Evolution is arguably the only good one besides regional variants.
>Mega Evos
Pro: provides a brand new design, can provide a new type, can provide a new ability, provides new stats, very cool, strong aura
Con: limited availability, balance is not the best
>Z-moves
Pro: new battle potential, widespread availability, balance is a mixed bag
Con: short-lived/one-use, no new design/form, cringe, no aura
>Dynamax/G-Max
Pro: can provide a new form, widespread availability, a little bit of aura
Con: very few new designs/limited availability of the new forms, insanely unbalanced bullshit, some G-Max are worse than normal Dynamax, a little bit of cringe, bland
>tera
Pro: can change type for new battle potential, widespread availability
Con: cringe, ugly, somewhat unbalanced, no new forms/designs

Overall, Mega Evos win IMO

>>58595934
Mega evolution is a good idea dampered by poor execution. Pokemon evolving even further for a temporary period of time? Epic. The problem is that the designs and power boosts are 50/50 okay. You'll get golden standouts here and there but then, you get abysmal dogshit for no good reason. The choice of pokemon to receive megas is also weird. Some could better benefit from a actual evolution than Mega evolution. Overall, Megas would be better if it was under better management.

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>>58590246
Picrel afaiac.
But also I like Feraligatr, whereas Chimecho (still) doesn't feel like the type of Pokémon that should have gotten a mega to me desu.

>>58596632
>>58590246
Oh, and I definitely don't like this "make the mega resemble the pokémon's basic form" ordeal either way.

>>58596554
Dynamax was balanced in VGC, but I think it was pretty straightforward in there. I think Tera’s been more varied and imo it’s the best gimmick outside of the silly hats.

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pokemon was never good at any point in time. if at any point you liked it, it's because you had not been exposed to anything better. prove me wrong you fucking can't.

>>58592293
What are you talking about, it's a spitting image

>>58593230
My intimidate luxray can beat your feraligatr at any time

>>58596648
Pokemon was always good exclusively for the pokemon, the rest sucked.

>>58596828
and really that is just an autistic attachment to the idea of having a pet who is:
not stupid
your best friend no matter what
can shoot various dangerous things from itself at will
will be the impetus for some form of adventure in a life completely lacking any

>>58596763
Turn on your monitor.

>>58590246
>chimecho fans love mega chimecho
They are 10 people tops across the world. They are happy to get something.

>>58590246
I have to admit Mega Feraligatr did grow on me

>>58597310
Like that tumorous toilet seat grew on ferligatr's back?

You know a design is fucking horrendous when even redditors thinks it's utter dogshit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonmemes/comments/1os09yl/i_can_understand_why_design_choices_were_made_and/

Bump

>>58590246
I fucking hate twitter so much.
Everybody reverts into a clickbait machine

>>58590246
The standard being the pokémon not looking like absolute shit

>>58599227
letting people monetize ragebait has ruined social media beyond repair

>>58590254
It doesn't look good when the shell is close either with those Lanky Kong looking arms

>>58597037
As one of those ten people, it is a little bit of that, but I also think that idea of directly referencing the preevolution works much better with an objectmon like Chimecho.
The main body being completely unchanged makes it feel more like an elaborate accessory it’s wearing which I actually kind of like, once again because that idea works better for objectmons.
>>58599277
letting people monetize has ruined social media beyond repair

>>58590246
What do you call this disorder where subhumans can only see things in a conceptual level?

>>58599596
Completely unironically, Autism.

>>58599488
Agree on the objectmon part, definitely.

Chimecho WON!
Feraligtrfags in tears

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>>58593587
>can't even be a GAD despite having the length because they are pencil-thin
Toilet-gatr can't do anything right

>>58600390
>can't even be a general anxiety disorder
WAT? I assume you mean gorilla armed dragon

>>58591357
looks like a lobster...

>>58596517
It's not just starters being more important... Is the fact since Blaziken every fire starter is a fighting fire humanoid... And incineroar is another. Dark types are usually feral they bite and cut and yet they decided to create another theme for dark types being a heel. They could have made another pokemon for that and just giving people what they wanted. Another non humanoid fire type. Then they made this stupid alligator in gen 9 out of spite and the other 2 humanoids...

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If they just made it a regular size helmet like Marowak, the design would be salvaged.