Who is the first mega, truly? Zygarde's mega was unknown to humanity until Z-A, while Rayquaza's mega first appeared and was recorded by draconids 1000 years ago, but did Zygarde really have no mega until now? The zygardite is formed on your inventory, but that's not unlike the gem Rayquaza eats that is actually formed when the meteor you carry in ORAS changes into a mega stone, if Rayquaza already had a mega even if the stone it used in ORAS didn't exist as such until that game, who's to say Zygarde didn't have a mega before Z-A's specific zygardite was formed?After all, Zygarde seemed to know pretty well what to do, giving you that rock that transforms into the zygardite shortly after it recovered its full power. Did Zygarde just happen to find a rock and it somehow knew it could turn into its mega stone and saved it for later? When did it realize it was a pokemon capable of mega evolving? Did it always have the capacity to turn a rock into its own mega stone and it's only in Z-A that it could find a situation where it was able to groom a trainer into letting it mega evolve? Since mega stones are born from life energy (that Xerneas gives and Yveltal takes) it would make sense for Zygarde to be able to create its own mega stone, I suppose.
>>58648714>Who is the first mega, truly?My Absol specifically.
>>58648714The new Mega Lucario will be revealed to be the 100% true no fake first mega via time travel shenanigans
>>58648714Zygardite was created when the ultimate weapon fired in XY thats why it didnt exist back then. Fug is the first mon able to mega evolve then the ultimate weapon fired 3000 years ago and enabled many other mons to do it as well but via mega stones and key stones, the first if them being Lucario.
>>58648714>fug has a magical organ that lets it mega evolveWould he have been able to mega evolve even if the ultimate weapon never fired?
>>58649147Yes and he did.
>>58649142Have you played ANY of the games, retard? The Zygardite is created right at the climax of Z-A it was just a rock before, and Rayquaza can't possibly mega evolve without key stones, having only experienced the transformation once in the past 2000 years after the creation of the Ultimate Weapon.
>>58649147"Yes and he did." But people didn't develop mega rings (and variations) in the universe where the weapon never fired, it was a non-replicable miracle only the draconids know about.
>>58649208Wrong thread, board and site I guess?
wait if in the pokemon world the Eiffel Tower is something AZ built when he was 1000 year old doesn't that mean in the worlds from gen 1 to 5 there's no Eiffel Tower (Prism Tower) at all? Does Paris even exist? Does Kalos?
>>58649634Well, the Square Tower didn't exist in the megaless version of Hoenn...
>>58649672>the mini reproduction now looks more lik the Prism Tower than the actual Prism Tower
You know I really didn't expect Z-A to give a shit about ORAS but I was pleasantly surprised to notice the game not only respected it but is also pretty much an ORAS parallel, basically putting the same sort of story before and after XY>the game mentions Hoenn being the first place where mega evolution took place and AZ learning to make mega rings from its visit there>Ange's life energy is the reason wild pokemon (even some that weren't found in Kalos at first) appear in Lumiose, like how the Cave of Origin's energy is the reason pokemon not native to Hoenn appear in the wild later>the whole Zygarde quest is like Rayquaza's in Delta Episode, you carry a rock with you, advance in the main story and when the region's guardian has found its champion in you the rock, that is revealed to have mutated, is used to mega evolve and save the world>even Lysandre is a Zinnia's parallel, just searching for cells to fully form Zygarde instead key stones to summon Rayquaza in the Sky PillarDo you think we are getting any focus on Hoenn legends in Mega Dimension? We know the three members of the weather trio have a rogue mega battle, and at some point you have to get Latios and Latias too, but I mean beyond that.
>>58650683>Do you think we are getting any focus on Hoenn legends in Mega Dimension?I really hope so. I don't think GF cares that much about the storytelling but Hoenn is key to the Mega lore also I love the possibility of a cool Mega Fug vs Mega Zyg as the true final boss fight. Hopefully Zeraora is optional
>>58650683>>58652269Doubt it, seems way focused on battling to have intergenerational connecting loreIt will be just battles
>>58652269We've got the rogue battles from the DLC and the last two ones are Rayquaza and Zeraora. From what the website makes it sound like, Zeraora will be an optional thing you have to actively look for so it looks like the final boss is Rayquaza and Zeraora is an extra.
>>58649181>The MC used magic to turn a rock into a mega stone and not that they squeezed the outer shell off to reveal it!!!>No one had keystones thousands of years ago before the UW fired so mega fug never happened until now!!>Pulls 2,000 years out of their assNegative IQ
>>58653516I'm pretty sure this is a shitpost because you can't be this stupid but anon, we already have a sample of a rock mutating into a mega stone in the protagonist's inventory, the idea the zygardite was already there and Paxton/Harmony was just too dumb to realize what it was under a layer of trash is absurd, AND we know Mega Rayquaza was born 1000 years before ORAS, which is indeed 2000 years after the Kalos War.Stop being a retard. Now.
>>58653576>We have a sample of a rock that you squeeze that breaks of the outer shell to reveal a mega stone in your inventory>AND my baseless headcanon says that Mega Rayquaza was born 1000 years before ORAS, which is indeed 2000 years after the Kalos WarThe retardation deepens
>>58653664Okay yeah this confirms it, you are a shitposter. Again, stop being a retard, last (You).
>>58653664>Baseless headcanonIt's obvious you didn't play the game since there are quotes proving Rayquaza mega evolved 1000 years ago, 2000 years after the firing of the ultimate weapon:>"In the face of Primal Groudon and Kyogre’s great power, people could do nothing. [...] That was when, as if drawn by the brilliance, a Pokémon that shone in a blazing emerald hue descended from the heavens... That Pokémon was none other than Rayquaza. Rayquaza’s power overwhelmed that of the two Primal Pokémon, and peace returned to the world. The people of Hoenn revered Rayquaza as a true savior."^ Original super ancient Pokemon fight 2000 years ago>"The people had a wish—a memory from a thousand years before... They wished that the Legendary Pokémon clad in emerald light would appear again. The huge Meteorite that lay at the heart of Sootopolis gave off a boundless brilliance. In its brilliance, it resembled a vast and powerful Key Stone. And once again, Rayquaza descended from whence it came in the heavens. The people fell to their knees before Rayquaza and made a wish for salvation. As they did, a great change came over the Legendary Pokémon. It was enveloped in blinding light. As the light receded, they beheld a Rayquaza beyond all knowledge— a sublime figure, incandescent with overwhelming life force. It was humanity’s wish that brought about Rayquaza’s transformation in the face of the rainbow stone... Yes... A wish... An intangible thing, invisible to the eye. Yet this wish bound people and Pokémon together, enabling the Legendary Pokémon to change its appearance... Doesn’t it remind you of something? That’s right... It sounds like Mega Evolution, doesn’t it?"^ Second super ancient fight but this time rayquaza mega-evolves>"The Meteorites that should lie within Rayquaza’s great body...aren’t enough? Have these thousand years drained them of their power?"^ Current day and 1000 years since rayquaza last mega evolved
>>58653671>>58653693>he stopped replyingHoly shit it wasn't a shitposter he was genuinely retarded, that's even worse
Remember ORAS is the main canon and RSE is the alt universe now
>>58649205This image isn’t accurate. The rainbow keystone meteor landing and creating Sootopolis is only present in the ORAS timeline. Elsewhere, Sootopolis was created from rainwater pooling in an inactive volcano, and the interior was hollowed out by people to trap Kyogre/Groudon.
>>58655297Source?
>>58655111>dubs and number one tripsHoennbabies... your response?
>>58648714Rayquaza is the first ever Mega. Zygarde is the last ever Mega.
>>58655787The first line is disputed by OP. The second line is literally not true since Mega Dimension is introducing new ones.
I still think it's dumb that mega rayquaza didn't need a mega stone to evolve. I hope they make him need one from now on.
>>58655844>second line is literally not trueWe don't know yet. It's possible that those megas have always existed in that dimension and only came to us after obtaining zygarde's.
>>58655931OP also disputes the claim Zygarde's mega didn't exist until Z-A so either way you are literally not reading the first post of the thread you are replying to.
>>58655297It's a volcano born from the crater of a giant meteorite in all timelines, the fact Groudon and Kyogre default states aren't the Primals is proof Rayquaza mega evolved in RSE past too. Also no idea where you got that trap Kyogre/Groudon thing from
>>58648714There's no record anywhere yet stating that Zygarde has ever mega-evolved prior to ZA therefore mega rayquaza is very likely the first / the origin as stated in the games. It's highly probable that Zygarde knew it could mega evolve the whole time as legendaries have had time to get to know their power very well (especially Zygarde with its power over the ecosystem and connection to life energy that powers mega evolution). AZ may have even helped Zygarde discover that power in the past. However it has never had the chance to mega evolve until now as the right conditions werent present: the need for such power (huge threat with Ange Floette) + a mega stone to unlock such power (Zygarde probably kept it hidden in rock so only the right trainer would dicover it) + the right trainer with a key stone it could bond with. Rayquaza likely had the same awareness about its mega potential as an ancient legendary that consumed meteors filled with life energy, but unlike Zygarde in ZA, all its conditions to mega evolve were met 1000 years ago: the need for such power (Primals threatening Hoenn) + people channelling their prayers into the Sootopolis meteorite like a keystone to bond with Rayquaza + the meteoroids and mikado organ in its body acting as the mega stone. As Rayquaza only mega evolved 1000 years ago, its still possible that zygarde had done it in the 2000 years prior from when mega stones were created by the ultimate weapon firingbut there dosnt seem to be any records of that (yet).
>Zygarde always had a mega but he never had the need to reveal it to the world until now, the moment it was needed he revealed it>Zygarde didn't have a mega until now because he never had the need of one until now, the moment it was needed, he created it itselfI don't know which one is cooler.
They better add some Zygarde vs Rayquaza kino in the dlc
>>58655762Hoennbaby here, I don't mind because I really like ORAS
>>58657955ORAS is the best Hoenn game but the fandom isn't ready for the conversation because everyone likes to pretend they cleared the unfair, rng filled facility most people dropped after hour and a half max
>>58656293>It's a volcano born from the crater of a giant meteorite in all timelinesNo lol. Nowhere in ORAS is “volcano” used in reference to Sootopolis, and nowhere in RSE is “meteor” used in reference to Sootopolis. You can check the text files if you don’t believe me. The origins are fundamentally incompatible. >Also no idea where you got that trap Kyogre/Groudon thing fromAn NPC alludes to it, suggesting that the tunnel connecting it to the outside world was shaped to prevent something from getting out. In the original RS, Kyogre/Groudon go to the cave of origin because it is where the spirits of Pokemon go to be revived. The orbs- the source of their power- are held on Mt. Pyre, where pokemon are laid to rest. It’s mentioned in the original game that Hoenn follows a reincarnation cycle based around the two mountains, which makes sense why Kyogre/Groudon- said to be “extinct” in the Capt. Stern interview, are dead (heh) set on going there. Sootopolis was more of a spiritual place initially, but ORAS made a new backstory for it to shill Ohmori’s mega evolution fanfiction. There really is no reconciling the two, and the primalshit didn’t exist in the RSE timelines at any point in their history.
>ORAS: You get your conflict with Kyogre/Groudon like in the originals and then once you are the champion you have a postgame mini campaign where explore the lore of Rayquaza, the origin of Sootopolis, the construction of the sky pillar, the nature of the gimmick introduced this gen with the most recent core games as some sort of prequel to them, the multiverse and get to fulfill everyone's childhood dream of going to space, riding MEGA RAYQUAZA no less, and battling fucking Deoxys in space after enjoying this sick theme while you get the juicy lore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lrMjcNJGfE and battle Rayquaza and get to test its power with a post-game boss stronger than the Champion>Emerald: Instead of having a villain hideout and battle against a legendary you get two hideouts and no legendary battle, Rayquaza is just randomly introduced right at the end when Wallace says "oh by the way we have ANOTHER super ancient pokemon sleeping in a tower just south here go wake him up and forget about fighting Groudon or Kyogre lol" and if you want to catch it later you just return to the sky pillar and do A FUCKING BIKE MINIGAME and battle itWe deserve BDSP for the retards who prefer Emerald to ORAS
>>58658115>one source says a meteor cracked the earth open, another one mentions are volcano, these are incompatible!Are you retarded? A meteor opening fucking earth can become a volcano, in fact the entire point of that meteor is the massive amount of natural energy that released.>my headcanon interpreted that this crater having a submarine tunnel entrance means it's some sort of cage (for the pokemon that creates land and thus doesn't have to touch the sea, and the pokemon that creates seas and thus can freely move around, no less, both of them found in a submarine cave and able to enter and leave the "cage" freely btw)Okay yeah you are retarded.>salty hoennbaby fanfictionThe vague spiritual shit is also in ORAS, in fact ORAS just expands on it by making the cave of origin be *literally* filled with natural energy from the land and the deceased that form the mega stones that appear later just like the Ultimate Weapon (also charged with life from countless living beings) made mega stones appear in Kalos. Groudon and Kyogre feeding on life wasn't but more emphasized in ORAS.Oh and you fail you understand how writing of a saga with multiples entries works on a fundamental level, too. Retroactive continuity, bitch, when they made gen 1 Miltank, Houndour, Murkrow and other pokemon didn't exist at any point in their story, but after gen 2 they do and they always existed, just like Arceus always existed and just like Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre always existed. The thing that separates RSE and ORAS timelines is the Kalos war, and the Primals are obviously way older than that, so they existed in all timelines.
She won.
>mega evolution comes from life energy>Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde are the managers of life (one gives, other takes, and the third one corrects excess to keep balance)>Groudon and Kyogre are just life-hungry bastards and wrestle eachother for control over it, while Rayquaza has an organ that acts as a mega stone by itselflmao the Hoenn trio really are just bastards that conveniently leech of Kalos trio's thing
>>58658025For me it wasn't so much about the Battle Frontier. I missed the double battles and I really like how Emerald merges both Ruby and Sapphire plot by having you fighting both evil teams + the climax in Sootopolis with the three box legendaries. ORAS kinda compensates it by changing the basic og story to have more "depth" and adding more Mega lore during the main campaign and the extra episode. Also the new character designs are very cool imo
>>58658871I liked being in the middle of a conflict between two evil teams, it's something we haven't seen before or after really, but the way you solve everything by just being an alarm clock for Rayquaza so he does everything is disappointing as hell. The cutscene didn't really work on me either because I actually got to play GBA games that looked way better than that.
>>58658185> in fact the entire point of that meteor is the massive amount of natural energy that released.Which wasn’t part of the lore for Sootopolis in RS Hoenn. You’re also omitting the giant mega keystone that the meteorite was, which certainly had nothing to do with Sootopolis’s creation in RSE. Sootopolis initially was meant to be a volcano that cooled when filled with rainwater, to emphasize Hoenn’s duality between the land and the sea. None of this anime energy bullshit Ohmori pulls out of his ass.> ORAS, in fact ORAS just expands on it by making the cave of origin be *literally* filled with natural energy from the land and the deceased that form the mega stones The fact that you can type out all of this and not see the blatant issue is the surest sign of your retardation>b-buhhh they made the cycle of life into a literal sea of energy goo to shill a bunch of new toysKeep slurping that slop and justifying shit rewrites just because your favorite capeshit or shonenslop can’t function without endless retcons.> and the Primals are obviously way older than that, so they existed in all timelinesNo lmao. That’s another thing >>58649205 gets wrong, and more proof that ORAS secondaries don’t even read the actual lore of their games. Zinnia doesn’t even place the existence of the primals in her timeline until 2,000 years ago, when the mega meteors were falling in the first place. Their being called the “primals” is referring to their mental state after slurping the goo from the earth, not their being the first ontological forms of the duo.
>salty hoennbaby doesn't even know Primal Kyogre and Groudon are explicitly said to be their original forms and keeps getting his fanfiction mixed with actual loreSo sad. Alexa play Despacito
>>58658951BASED Golden Sun enjoyer
>>58659589>one entry explains this and another one this other part so they are different!Again you are just a retard, that's not how writing works. If RSE mentions a volcano and ORAS a meteorite opening the earth and releasing its energy then the canon explanation is that a meteorite opened the earth, energy poured from there and that was the formation of a volcano.>more salty hoennbaby tears Nobody cares. Genuinely. Life energy being visible isn't even a new concept, even FF did it before gen 2 came out. Cry all you want.>literally lying on the internet Primal Groudon and Kyogre are said to be the original forms of the duo, no, it's not a fancy naming scheme to refer to them going nuts, these are the TRUE original Groudon and Kyogre, and Mega Rayquaza is the one who forced their weakened states upon them with its winds.And I won't even humour the idea of Zinnia mentioning the primals activities 2000 years ago meaning the are only 2000yo because I'm sure even a retard like you knows why that's absurd.
>>58658951Man when will Camelot be freed from the tennis hell
>>58661182>>58659589Mind you the energy isn't even that fancy, it's not like FFVII lifestream that appears as a green juice of life energy from the deceased and the planet, it only looks like an eerie lime green glow when it's released upon Hoenn, the cave of origin itself looks exactly the same except they actually tried a little>underground cave of the volcano (that now we know it was created by a meteor) except it looks bigger and properly colored now>lava activity in one version, nothing but water in the other, same as the Reversal Mountain from gen 5 too>mysterious mist that is meant to evoke the spiritual feeling of "this is where souls gather" as we were told>the rubies and the sapphires representing the games and the pokemon, just gigantic, more imposing in the remakeThey don't drink anime super juice and become Super Saiyan Ruby Groudon and Super Saiyan Sapphire Kyogre in the remake, it's the same except the mist around them makes them go primal, the original theme of Groudon and Kyogre feeding on life itself at Sootopolis is still intact. In fact it's stronger than ever because once you beat them the energy released summons more pokemon to Hoenn that apparently haven't been in the region for hundreds, if not thousands of years, they are trying to leech on life but by stopping them you allow life to flourish strong again, and all ties with the whole XY thing of the Ultimate Weapon also using life energy and creating the mega stones and now Ange being designed as a life-spreading device and causing more mega evolutions.This sort of writing and connection between gen 3 and 6 is the best intergenerational link they have added with a "return to x region" game ever and yet pathetic nostalgic hoennbabies insist they "ruined" their games lmao
>>58655787>Zygarde is the last ever Mega.As long as it continues to be a marketable gimmick, they WILL find a way to keep making new ones, established lore be damned.
>>58662191Nothing has ever "established" Zygarde is the last mega to ever be created, if anything the lore suggests more megas will be born from the number Mega Zygarde did on Ange's blast right at the end of Z-A, just like more megas were born after Lysandre's doing
>>58662117I repeat: BDSP is payback for bitching over ORAS
Just saying I just beat ZA and that finale was amazing holy shit, Rayquaza's role ad guardian pokemon feels like nothing compared to Zygarde's now
