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Using a team of my bros with Chesnaught. It's decent but Gyarados completely counters my entire team

what is no one playing multiplayer anymore?

This online needs more modes............

>>58655357
it wouldn't be as bad if everyone didn't spam Xer and Gar.

>>58655155
Doesn’t Slowking learn thunderbolt?

>>58655445
yeah but i'm running screens on him. Doesn't matter since I never see him anymore.

>>58655445
>>58655474
he doesn't

Aerodactyl's been doing good work for me.
>Ice Fang to smack Garchomp
>Iron Tail for fairies
>Stone Edge is strong as a neutral hit but also deletes Charizard and Talonflame
>Fly is good cheese and takes care of anyone trying to run away

Paired it with Metagross and Salamence because I have no originality. It's really not the best synergy but I got my rank A for the season.

I'm so tired of xernes man. I so close to running metagross, poison and some other counter to it and focusing everyone that uses the fucker

Xerneas Garchomp and Metagross, nothing but these 3 online over and over

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>>58655131
I like to use Victribeel
>Reflect
>Toxic spikes to troll people
>Physical to fuck Xerneas

>>58655825
Aerodactyl looks so fun to use. I'm tempted to try him out but his defenses are so low
>>58656188
Honestly one of the better Xerneas counters

>>58656167
Garchomp and metagross are everywhere but dealing with them aint a problem. Theres plenty of good counters hell garchomp and metagross and literally deal with each other. The fucking deer is an actual problem because its counters are fucking trash. Its literally the reason why metagross is everywhere. Cant even use Skarmory because of tbolt

>>58656246
do we know if any dlc pokemon can counter him? I think the new mons got leaked

Any reason they don't have 1v1 battles

>>58656304
id be nothing but switching until someone reaches the switch limit and stomps them. I don't think 1v1 works well with this system

>>58656299
Here's the list. Magearna is pretty much the only one that really stands out being able to handle fighting moves from xerneas.

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>>58656320
oops

>>58655131
I'm playing with feraligatr garchomp and xerneas because I'm a bored person who want 1st/2nd rewards.

My mega feraligatr is surprising good at killing any dragons after a sword dance. I'm using garchomp mostly to deal with metagross.

Anybody going for the titles? Consummate Gamer is fucking nuts because you have to get first place without dying at all and you have to do it 50 times for the gold title. I've only been able to do it three times with a try hard team, it's near impossible.

>>58656299
Heatran

>>58656408
Weak to Close Combat and Focus Blast variants

>>58655357
1v1 or 2v2 would be great, but I doubt their adding it, the multiplayer feels pretty last minute addition to this game

>>58656324
I’d be pumped for a ton of these, except for the fact that the weather trio are just gonna shit on everything and ranked will instantly be unplayable. Otherwise I’d be in here making fun theories about Cofagrigus’s bulk or if Annihilape will be a monster. Too bad it doesn’t matter

>>58656713
Yeah it literally doesn't matter. I think anyone complaining about current ranked is going to miss it when DLC hits. It's just going to be primals everywhere.

>>58656713
>>58656729
I really hope they’re restricted for a while. I’m so tired of legendaries

>>58656753
Yeah no shit, it’s boring. They wanna wank off legendaries like they’re insanely special in the story, then give you nothing to do but go online and see 1,000 other copies of him running around? That’s retarded. Just ban legendaries online full stop, they can keep their speshul story intact and the rest of us don’t have to dedicate teammates to countering OP bullshit

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Not sure if my team is retarded or cancer but I’m almost A rank so I guess it’s sort of okay

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>>58655131
I usually don’t care for competitive on cart (usually just go on Showdown for my rare urge to play) but this was fun for awhile. Kind of lost interest after I got the main award but anytime I get to use Garchomp is pure kino. Back to Crossworlds now

>>58656855
>2 grass pokemon
The balls on this man

>>58656774
The sad part is that despite pokemon being mostly played by autists and women in their mid 30s is still marketed to kids.
It's the reason why they still shill legendaries online in spite of most adults finding them boring after a few matches.

>>58656324
GargaNacl with weakness policy and that rock love that hits water and steel could be fun.
If Scovillian gets outrage or poidon jab could be something good

>>58655131
No, this game is bad and you should feel bad for playing it.

just played against the lamest jap player ever. Literally just ran the entire gaming trying to snipe people with amph.

>>58656855
>triple fire weakness
I salute you.
What’s the Leafeon set?
>>58656869
It’s because Champions is coming sooner rather than later and they need people sending their Megas there

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>>58657070

What core do you guys use?
>>58655155
this guy went for 2 at once

>>58657059
they all do this, it's the primary playstyle for xerneas players too

What’re the chances of ZA getting another round of DLC featuring more Pokémon?

>>58657121
0. They’re going to want to get it out the way for Gen 10 ASAP

So do I need to minmax to reach the required rank for Delphoxinite or is it still in the relatively easy levels?

>>58657150
you don't lose points and shit, it's easy to get rank a in less than a day

>train up a garbador for fun
>literally nothing but steel type and flying pokemon
I'm kind of pissed

>>58656370
is this why I'm seeing so many people spamming charge tbolt and running the entire game?

>>58657121
We don't know but I'm figuring they'll shift focus to champions after home integration. ZA was supposed to come out last year before Nintendo delayed the switch 2. The DLC was supposed to be the annual content for 2025.

>>58657121
Very unlikely. 30th anniversary is 2026, they're absolutely going to show off new gen or something else for pokemon day in February. ZA's purpose is bridge the gap between the release as well as help the other parts of the company such as TCG postpone till new gen too. Also in the teraleak, they mentioned that they overspent on the SV DLC compared to how much profit was actually generated. With all this information, you can conclude that the DLC for z a isn't gonna be nearly as expansive as the SV ones

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>XERNERES GARCHOMP AND META GROSS
>XERNERES GARCHOMP AND META GROSS
>XERNERES GARCHOMP AND META GROSS
>XERNERES GARCHOMP AND META GROSS
>XERNERES GARCHOMP AND META GROSS

>>58657289
Probably, that seems like a popular strategy for it. I actually stumbled into a no death win with ampharos lead basically doing the same thing

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>>58655131
Starmie is the fucking GOAT. Been running Expert Belt and Hydro/Ice Beam/T-Bolt/Psychic on it. Psychic's been the worst move so far but I'm not really sure what else to run on it. Hydro Pump is great for sniping but the slow charge-up really fucking hurts sometimes, might add in a second water move in Psychic's place but I dislike how close to enemies Surf requires you to be.
Scizor is pretty good. I wish Iron Head wasn't so ass, but it works.
Camerupt was the most recent and longest flex pick I had. Fucking Metagross is infested in high ladder and I'm sick of the fuck. He didn't work out too well sadly and I'm trying out Charizard Y for now which also is eh.

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>>58658568
Look forward to OOPS ALL ZYGARDE next season. Time to start training up a really good Glaceon.

>>58658449
The budget thing isn't true. I know it's been spread around as "fact" by engagement bait online but just letting it be known.

this ranked mode sucks

>>58657150
Playing with my in-game team since last season AND still haven't complete main story (ie: the only optimised stuff is natures and that because I got lucky)
>1 hour top from Z to mid letters (3-4 matches to get the stones), ussualy take less
>1 hour from that point to I-J
>1 hour from I to E (if you only want the balls E is the lower rank they give 2 of them)
>2 hours from E to A
Be mindful 1st season actually took away points if you end dead last, unlike 2nd and onwards

>>58657245
Use it to counter 'neas

I've really been enjoying Z/A ranked. Current team is this:
Hippowdon (Assault Vest) - Earthquake, Thunder Fang, Ice Fang, Heavy Slam.
Medicham (Medichamite) - Brick Break, Close Combat, Ice Punch, Aerial Ace.
Simisear (Charcoal) - Flare Blitz, Overheat, Heat Wave, Work Up.

Hippowdon is super reliable, had it on my team since the start of season 1; fairly tanky, but not too passive. Heavy Slam is there since it one-shots the occasional Gardevoir and Diancie (Heavy Slam + Earthquake knocks out Glaceon too). Thunder Fang is mainly there for Gyarados. I used Passcho Berry in season 1 for Gyarados, but replaced it with Assault Vest because I was getting owned by Solar Beam from fire types + Xerneas Moonblast.
Mega Medicham's fun. I initially gave it Brick Break because I wanted to destroy screens, but in practice, that almost never happens, it's just a fast stab move. Aerial Ace is super fun; it comes out really fast, so it's great for when you're in a 1v1 and your previous attack just barely didn't kill.
I've been rotating random crap in the third team slot, with Simisear being the latest since I needed something for Steel types (Skarmory especially). Simisear's serviceable for that. I find mixed sets really fun, so it has 252 atk EVs and 252 sp.atk EVs.

>>58657245
I tried Garbodor too. Gunk Shot just feels so awkward, especially when Xerneas moves so fast, although the times where you do one-shot it feels great. I liked giving it Life Orb + Rollout so it can at least one-shot unsuspecting Charizard
>>58659303
>Psychic's been the worst move so far
I took Zen Headbutt off my Medicham for what is probably the same reason - was barely running into pokemon that are weak to psychic. You could maybe try Psyshock since it'll do a bit more against Mega Beedrill/Gengar?

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Its fun killing dragons with a giant Ice cream, I wish I could replace Talon and Mole with something more quirky but they make good synergy and I'm not that good at team making in this game.

>>58655357
I wish they would add more stages at least, maybe daytime variants?

what other modes could they add? a kill limit mode? team battle? kill x number of random wild pokemon? that one would be fun in a casual environment.

I really wonder how will the meta be in season 4 with the new returning pokemon, new megas, a player base that has learned to deal with MegaZ and all that
Also wonder how many special pokemon will be allowed

I know Alphas generate a bigger AoE when using attacks like Earthquake, but what about moves like Ice Beam, Flamethrower, and Hydro Pump?
Do ranged moves like that reach further or have a larger hitbox/beam circumference?

>>58659998
King of the hill or capture the point to prevent running around.

This mode could be very good if they copy some mini games from pokeathlon or rumble.

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I'm using this team for A rank matches this season and I'm happy with them. Delibird works well against dragons, Sableye does surprisingly well against Metagross and Chandelure, Pikachu works against Xerneas and pretty much anything else that takes at least 1x damage to electric moves.

>>58656324
Gigaton hammer would probably be good though.

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Glaceon lead since it's the most tanky and it can deal with start of round dragons. Icy wind can usually kill unoptimized chomps and the rare Tyrantrum. Best feature is that it tracks. Ice beam for more power. Freeze dry for gyarados and other water types. Calm mind is the last move but I'll probably switch it out since it doesn't get much use.
Greninja is for all the Chandelures and Zards. Water shuriken kinda sucks when it's not a mega water shuriken. Dark pulse does okay damage to Metagross. Brick Break for all the screens. Gunk shot for Xerneas but again it's only okay damage.
Braixen for the steel types. Heat Wave does good damage but the + version it won't ohko a full ev HP mega Metagross or Steelix. Solarbeam+ is fast enough to take out a water type before you get knocked out. Protect for waiting while your other moves come back online. Psychic is okay. It's mostly for hitting neutral on other threats. I wish Braixen had access to tbolt. One funny thing I've noticed is that people will use shadow ball assuming Braixen is part psychic.

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>watchog, flareon, pikachu
Frail as fuck, but watchog takes out garchomp and other dragons, Flareon takes out steels, Pikachu takes out flyers and water Pokémon, and all three of them can take out Xerneas after they power up.

if you haven't tried watchog, you owe it to yourself to watch his goofy run animation, and to watch him one shot mons that usually feel safe.

>>58656324
No Seaking, no quagmire, no Whiscash, no clodsire, no Basculegion.

Why do they hate fish?

I mean not even granbull or Sandslash or the nidos, at least we have quilfish and overquill.

Also fuck Gholdengo, people are going to spam that asshole.

>>58660515
>Also fuck Gholdengo
I don't think so. I think he'll def be used, but he's like chandelure, less special attack, weak to fire and still weak to ground. And we've seen what happens to pokemon weak to fire and ground in this game.
If he gets make it rain, maybe he'll be added to some teams to take out xerneas and I see that as an absolute win. no but really, he will be a decent Xerneas counter. Focus blast immune, resists moon blast, neutral to tbolt and carries stab flash cannon+nasty plot

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>>58660554
>>58660505
also, one of my favorite teams is eevee core

>umbreon is a fucking tank, and eats up chandalure, delphox, metagross, and can threaten people into brawls.
>flareon is a monster and +flareblitz with a swords dance once shots xerneas and most pokemon that don't resist it
>glaceon is obviously for dragons and flyers and I run the exact same set as >>58660468 for the same reason with a nevermeltice

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>>58660571
>more brawling umbreon
>farmin mega power

>>58660577
>bite and crunch
Wouldnt dig be better

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>>58660515
Dig is way better coverage, but umbreon wears his sunglasses at night which boosts both moves, both have stab, and dig has a way longer cooldown and would prevent you from dealing burst damage unless you open with it

knock off is a great move too, but the cool down is just too much and is better for a support set

>knock off
>crunch
>reflect
>moon light


>>58660515
This is gonna happen to Gholdengo when he steps foot of the mean streets of Lumiose

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>want to get the greninjite and delphoxinite stones before chesnaught next
>slap these three on from the main story team
>no alphas, special training of ivs or evs, just 2 megas and a muscle band
>still hold out damn well for themselves out there
>reach rank s
I know it's probably just because it's lower rank or something but they held up surprisingly well against legend spam and others

>Japs always live with a sliver of health after a boosted super-effective move while you take 90% damage from a neutral move that's barely in reach of you
Nice online mode you got there

>>58660554
Make it rain will be a steel earthquake. It will be crazy.

>>58660122
sets?

>>58660649
Eh.

>resisted by steel
>resisted by fire
>resisted by electric
>reissted by water

If it locks you in place like EQ does, it might just be a death sentence

>>58660748
>Sableye (Parting Shot, Phantom Force, Detect and Knock Off)
>Pikachu (Charge, Volt Tackle, Protect and Iron Tail)
>Delibird (Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Air Slash and Protect)
Pikachu and Sableye have max EVs on HP and ATK, and Delibird on HP and SP. ATK.

>>58660554
Oh youre right. I forgot it's ghost/steel and xerneas doesn't have any fire or ground coverage iirc. Will be a decent counter without being too annoying given that its weak to fire and ground. It won't be too annoying in ZA thankfully. That being said, I doubt xerneas will be too hard to deal with once dlc comes around (or maybe it will be given that primal groudon and mega ray will be really fucking easy without their abilities)

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>>58660589
This is basically why I like crunch/bite. its only resisted by fighting, dark, and fairies. Everyone else is getting hit for neutral or worse.

>>58662422
Garchomp players are usually retarded and try to bulldoze every pokemon they see.
They'll even go after a slowbro with icebeam

>>58662455
I find a lot of player become a bit retarded when they have to think of what to do in that precise moment and will forget about type match ups

like psychic on dark.

anyone know a solid team for pinsir?

>>58663336
Are you mega evolving pinsir? how does it normally do against common threats? A shot in the dark idk.
>Amph + Ice/Fire
>Umbreon + Ice/Fire
Amph for screens and thunderbolt. Umbreon to tank and stall or toxic.
>Garbodor + Ice
Meme for Xerneas.

>>58663402
He can go some dmg with swords dance and giga impact but there are so many pokemon that counter him.
problem is he only gets a few good moves and they suck against common pokemon threats like xer and gar
>garb
completely sucks, his gunk shot is terrible and ice types get killed by xer focus blast.

>amph and umb
I'll try it out

>see a xer use geomancy
>leech seed it
lol

>>58663543
hey deer eat a perish song / toxic lol

>>58663336
Garchomp and either a fire type or a water type
a water types give you ice resistance and no overlapping weaknesses, fire give you a fairy resist and 1 overlapping rock weakness
bug resists ground and grass types for your fire types or water types
Garchomp resists rock and fire types for Pinsir and fire types
fire resists steel, ice, itself, and faerie while water resists steel, water, and itself, and ice for Garchomp


Charizard and Gyarados both make give your team an extra rock weakness and an electric weakness, but can bully Excadrill if it doesn't have rock slide.
Flareon has higher attack than Pinsir and huge special defense so it can soak Xerneas's moon blast or Glaceon's ice beam and +flare blitz with a sword dance/red buff boost one-shots Xerneas with no Def EVs

>>58656324
Tinkaton deserved a mega

>>58663614
>>58663543
what sets?

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>>58663636
no thanks. I think she's perfect as is and would be kind of obscene with 100 more BST considering her typing. Even if they did the worst spread and just 16 pints into everything, that would give her a decent attack stat hammer go even further beyond.


I'm gonna cry if they don't give her gigaton hammer.

>>58663781
>perfect as is
>complete garbage

>75 attack
>decent bulk
>learns swords dance


tinkaton will be fine in ZA

>>58663938
more like fine in ZU

>>58663636
I gave it some thought and I think you may be right.
Final stage, decently popular with normies and people actually like it well enough to find a legit use in singles.

It should have received a mega but I'm afraid they are going to do something retarded like giving it a gigantamax where only the hammer grows.

>>58663994
>retarded like giving it a gigantamax where only the hammer grows.

No, that is funny as fuck. The japs love their little girls with huge weapons

>fighting a xernas with a poison type
>retarded garchomps come in and try to kill me
>xer ends up with 2 kills
garchomp players are retarded I swear

>>58664016
yeah, but it means it invalidates its signature move.

>>58664087
Unless it gets another signature move.

>>58664067
there's no way your poison mon got moonblasted and die

>>58664067

>be garchomp player
>see easy to kill poison type
>see hard to kill xerneas that will just run away from anything I do and be immune to my dragon moves
>non-xerneas player thinks i'm going to spend all my cooldowns on xerneas before trying to kill him


The only difficult thing is wondering how the Garchomp didn't kill you first. What poison type survives swords dance dragon rush + earthquake

>>58664116
galarian slowbro lives
>>58664095
he gets wounded by garchomps earthquake then gives xer the kill.

>>58664092
you can't use ANY signature move in a gmax ya goofus.
you can only use Dynamax moves.

>>58664016
Everyone does, I played an Elin and Popo in Tera just because it was so fucking funny to swing an axe twice your size.

I just think that instead of giving it a mega with a fuck huge hammer or even two hammers, they are going to fully comit to the joke and make it a gigantamax. The problem is that gigantamax and dynamax are way lamer than megas, the joke is fine but the mechanic is just awful.

>>58664095
maybe it was a gengar. they die easy.

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>>58663636
Its getting a GMax to solidify its rivalry with Corviknight

>>58663636
What do you mean deserved? They haven't shown off all the megas yet.

even better

it gets a giant ball like Cinderace and uses its hammer to launch it at enemies.

>>58664259
SAAR THIS IS JUST LIKE THE CRICKET YES SAAR SO COOL

>>58664264
i'm american, I wasn't even thinking of cricket, just whacking a ball with a hammer into the sky.

>you can't use galarian slowking with slowking
bullshit game

>ctrl+f
>"machamp"
>no results
you're missing out

Haha wow I really love that if you don't like playing the game, like if actually BATTLING in a POKEMON BATTLE is too hard for you, you can just run around the edge of the map! Like wow, this is really what Pokemon needed, a Pokemon games where you can just keep moving and avoid attacks, or if that doesn't work you can keep switching out, or even pop a mega evolution! I'm gonna be honest, I've always hated the battling part of Pokemon games, I just want people to look at my shiny I bought a turbo controller to hunt overnight for and my epic outfit, so I think I'll start playing "ranked" "battles" and just run around without actually fighting or getting hit, thanks gamefreak.

playing ranked I've noticed how many people don't understand type matches. I've seen so many garchomps try to use earthquake/dig on my mega pinsir

>consummate gamer (gold)
>complete matches without dying 50 times
do they actually want me to sit in the spawnpoint and do nothing but stall

Are XS Pokémon better if you’re not using moves like Earthquake?

>>58664394
lol I always chase players who try to get this.

>saw a xern with 20% hp
>sent out mega steelix to heavy slam the shit
>ZL button targets faraway chandelure
>slow slug faggot walks toward the chandelure
>can't fucking cancel attack or switch mon
>got focus blasted and die

does anyone know how to make your pokemon stop moving. I swear it always wants to move before using a move

>>58664394
It's worse than that, you have to WIN while doing it or else it doesn't count toward the title.

>>58664391
Pinsir goes from bug to bug/flying. Its understandable but you are right. The vast majority of people are uber casual

>>58664391
Yep. When you don't have 2 minutes to think of your next move, you kinda just presse buttons and don't think about whats infront of you

lots of pokemon players are getting exposed

>>58664459
It depends on the attack you're using. Ranged attacks will always have your Pokemon travel back to the default position before attack. Self buffing attacks can be activated anywhere. Melee attacks and debuffing attacks make your Pokemon get in range before attacking.

If you're using ranged attacks consecutively, try to not move so much to reduce the time between attacks. Or you can recall your pokemon immediately back to you with moves like volt switch, flip turn and teleport.

>>58664883
so many people don't know galarian slowbro/slowking are poison/psychic. My bros tank solar beams for days

>>58665401
I used mega altaria for a bit and I had a lot of success trolling people who still attacked me with dragon moves not knowing it becomes part fairy in mega.

>>58663781
Considering Galarian Slowbro/Slowking didn't get either of their signature moves, I'd say the chances are annoyingly lower than they should be. I don't see why, Slowbro's Shell Side Arm would've flourished in this game's combat system, and Eerie Impulse could've been reworked to just reset the cooldown of the move last used against you or make it slower for like five seconds or something.

>>58664289
My team usually has a Machamp in it, I think it's a weird enough pick that people don't usually expect him to have ice punch or thunder punch and usually get piss scared after getting hit by him once and swap out before I can follow up with a second hit.

If you want to get at least 2nd for a chance at an apricorn ball though, you can't fuck around with too much that doesn't have a stupid amount of defense since most things pop like balloons against earthquakes or fairy attacks.

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>>58655131
>The type of player that actually WANTS a ranked system with no "loss penalty" for coming in 3rd or 4th

playing ranked for the first time and reached rank A
any reason to keep playing or just wait for season 3 to do it again?

>>58665803
You get a chance to get gold caps or more balls if you are 1st place or 2nd place but I would personally just stop because new season will probably have new balls like dream or something

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Anybody know when we're going to get the dream ball? I have a shiny alpha Slobro waiting to be caught

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>People who aren't keeping at least ONE of each ball for the inevitable "infinite pokeball" method we eventually get

>>58665821
I think tomorrow? i've been saving diancie for the same reason.

I hope we get park balls in one of these seasons.

>>58665803
I mean, love of the game?

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fellas....evoilite Croconaw?

>Feraligatr
hp 85
atk 105
def 100
Spd 83

>Croconaw
hp 65
atk 80
def 80
Spd 63

With eviolite, his defense are better than Gatrs save for his health. in exchange he has a smaller body and hit box, and he can more easily sneak around

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Chesnite tomorrow. What are set are you going to use with it?

Does anyone know what time the update goes live?

>>58665803
Kek nope

>>58665803
Various acorn pokeballs if you’re into that

I'm wondering if knock off even works at all.

>>58666606
it does, just not on mega stones

why the fuck isn't ranked updated yet

>>58666900
It starts in two days.

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>>58666253

So before I evolved it, I tried a sash
Anyone with a boost move can probably be viable with focus sash


ZA is the best pokemon game.

What is the single most anti-meta team that could still function effectively?

>>58666988
too many viable options to list.

just play the game.

>>58666988
houndoom wrecks all the steel and ghost types going around

>>58666964
Wow they weren't kidding with that Mega Feraligatr dex entry Fucking kek

>>58666988
There's plenty. Just experiment.

>>58666964
Seeing silly shit like this work is one of the only reasons I haven't given up on this game's pvp yet. Godspeed, anon.

Just finished the Furfrou quest and now have a fully ev/iv trained Furfrou.
Anyone know a good set it? I was thinking
Fire/Thunder/Ice fang with cotton guard

>>58667152
fangs+ giga impact magic orb

>>58667184
yeah i'll try this. Cotton guard is funny but everyone just funs because you're too much of a hassle to deal with

>>58667184
>>58667190
Shit that didn't go well. Fur is way too squishy without cotton guard

>>58667215
Yea. He was designed with fur coat in mind and in this game he doesn't have it.

>>58666964
Could you imagine if they banned legendaries so we could have matches like this that are actually fun to play ?

>>58667263
What's stopping you? I have been using stuff like dedenne and noivern all season.

>>58667263
15 more lengendaries to come in the mega DLC, and then mewtwo later.


just imagine mega mewto Y and mega raquaza in every game.

>>58663614
kek, done that some days ago
>mon?
gengar

>>58663781
>I'm gonna cry if they don't give her gigaton hammer.
>metagross
GRIM

>drain punch is not in the game because god forbid they have something good

What determines the damage of Spikes in Z-A?

agility manetric is uncatchable, it's a lot of fun to see 3 garchomps chase after me.
EARTHQUAKE CAN'T KILL WHAT YOU CAN'T CATCH

>>58666903
it's starting right now right?
The servers are down or something

>>58667442
Having CC be the only good physical fighting type move sure is a fucking decision.

>>58667442
them taking out a shitton of moves still pisses me off

>>58667558
>Season ends
>One day between seasons

Tomorrow.

>results are being tallied
Hurry up. I want my Dream Balls.

DREAM BALLS ARE OUT

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i'm on my way diancie

>Dream balls in a game without abilities
But why tho

I'm stuck in season ended loop
help

>>58667563
>Move known for being used on fast sweepers
>Has incredibly slow startup
The design choices for some of these moves boggles my mind. Like, why is Thunder so fucking bad compared to T-bolt?

>>58668271
>why is Thunder so fucking bad compared to T-bolt?
Thunder is pretty bad in the standard games when its not used in rain. But I do see your point though.

>>58667749
>Safari balls in game without safari
>Sport balls in game without Sportacus

>>58667442
Well do I have good news for you.
>https://github.com/projectpokemon/za-textport/blob/main/Scrubbed%20Data/waza_infos.txt

>>58667749
Read nigger, read, in this game their multiplier applies with sleep status

>>58668389
>false swipe
What's the point when all wild pokemon have an auto focus sash?

>>58668708
Can you really call it that if they don't do anything after being KOd

>>58668713
I suppose if 1hp makes them unable to get into uncatchable (x) state then it would have some use.

so with chestnaught gettign his mega, are bounce, fly, and brave bird stocks going to rise? Thunder punch aside, chestnaught can do shit to skarmory soe he might see more usage, def more talonflame.
gyrados resist fighting and is neutral to grass so stab bounce could fuck chestnaught up and with ice fang he hitns both chestnaught and zygrade for SE

>>58669396
Even more ice beam and heatwave, psychic may see more use then psyshock now.
>>58668295
I actually run both, thunder is great for multi kills with manectric.

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>>58669396
Well, with all the changes to this season, it's obvious we're going to see tons of Xerneas doing the same shit as usual

>>58669396
You barely see any greninja or delphox let alone a chestnaught so you are better of countering chomp, xer and gross.

>>58669651
I see plenty of delphox but I agree with you about greninja. I just think chestnauht might really fuck with garchomp and metagross, even if metagross runs zen headbutt

>>58669672
Seen a fair bit of Metagross running psycho cut, maybe it's a trend or for cooldowns.

would it have really been a hassle to give the -ate mons their abilities and Kangaskhan Parental Bond? Feels like they could have been more viable with them.

>>58667442
I’m pissed off Slurpuff only has normal and fairy physical coverage. Why even bother giving it swords dance

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scope lens + focus energy + swords dance + giga impact oneshot watchog

Why the fuck are gold bottle caps so ass to get? All I want is to be able to train my damn pokemon and get them on ranked

Can you really get to A rank playing your favorites or do you have to submit to the metagame

>>58670534
I mostly played Starmie/Scizor/Third thing for my grind from Z to A. Does that count?

>>58670534
Can your favorites kill xerneas

>>58670534
You don't lose points so yes. I'm going to climb with Braixen and Kirlia this season.

>>58670269
I don't know what ate mons are, but khangaskan is plenty viable.

>>58670624
-ate probably means mega.

>>58670624
Refrigerate (Aurorus, Mega Glalie)
Aeriliate (Mega Salamence and Pinsir)
Pixiliate (Sylveon, Mega Gardevoir and Altaria)
They turn normal moves into the respective type

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>>58670657
i'm glad abilites are gone. Just a bunch of stupid power creep.
All the pokemon you mentioned (not you Aurorus) are perfectly fine. They aren't broken like xern/garchomp, but they are totally useable.

I think they were very cautions about who you could gain damage boosts in this game.

>>58670695
Glalie and Altaria really fucking want their abilities. Mega Sal and Garde, sure, but for sure those two and Aurorus.

>>58667736
I caught mine in a love ball, i wish i had your patience

>>58670695
Dunno man, Aurorus has been pretty decent in ZA by being a dual screen setter with access to Freeze Dry. The amount of 4x weakness is very unfortunate and it will be outclassed by Mr. Rime and maybe even Cryoganol once the dlc drops.

when does ranked come back online?

I wanna battle.

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what should i use a dream ball on?

>>58671020
Diancie. It took me like 40 minutes of resetting to catch her though. She really did not want to be in the ball.

>>58671044
Nah. Prefer Luxury Ball for the sparkles and the theming despite not having a matching color scheme. It's a big gem so it deserves the Luxury Ball.

Is there ever a time I'd wanna invest in anything other than <offensive stat of choice> and HP EVs? Like, if I'm building a Stunfisk, should I put points into Speed for faster cooldowns if the whole point is to be a sneaky fucker trying to abuse his lack of visibility?

>>58671113
focus sash sets with baby mons, you'd invest in speed.

big nerds calculate the exact maximum damage meta defining pokemon deal with X move, and then add some def if their pokemon is one capable of surving an attack it normally would be if it had that def.

>>58671020
I used mine for a female shing braixen

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So far Zygarde is just a free kill like Garchomp.

>>58670869
Fuck yeah I love Mr rime and cryogonal I forgot they are coming on the DLC.

>>58671462
Evne more free with how long the wind uip on his moves are

icy wind anniliates it.

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>Be me
>Start ranked battle on long thin arena
>Lead with Metagross, 'cos he's the GOAT
>Turn to right side to check who else spawned near me
>Some dipshit lead with 10% Zygarde, which has terrible defenses on top of the 4x weakness to ice
>Immediately turn and Ice Punch it, killing it instantly
>Decide to wait until he respawns
>He leads with Zygarde again, this time using Endure to ensure free 100%
>KO it again, only for him to keep sending it out as lead like a fucking retard
>Proceed to spend the rest of the match spawn camping him with Metagross and Glaceon
>Don't even give a shit about what the other two players are doing
>Manage to end the game with 7 KOs, all but ensuring my victory
I fucking love this game

>>58671628
I love how people think endure is good.

>>58671628
>>58671666

I've never seen endure used online.

>>58671672
People are using it on zygarde to trigger 100% form and start nihilblasting.

It's such a lame trick though.

>>58671693
eh, its not any less brainless than garchomp just SD and running around earthquaking everything

>>58671742
It's 80% more gay by virtue of being a legendary while being just as brainless.

Even charge tbolt users have standards.

>>58671768
but you have to hit three buttons and time them at least. Garchomp hits two buttons and sometimes gets extra kills on accident.

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Well that was easy enough.

Finally did see the endure cheese, he quickly folded to the next guy who popped up. I also saw one zygrade trying subsitute.

>>58671784
Ok substitute may have some merit.

So is Glaceon the best ice type in ZA right now? I want something that can delete Zygarde. And is it just Zygarde allowed or are all three legendaries allowed now?

>>58672053
Vanilluxe is also pretty decent with Freeze Dry and some other coverage moves for other meta threats (does a decent job checking Gross with special attack due to its bulk), Avalugg is pretty good for walling but not for killing.

I wish my boy Abomasnow could do anything in this meta.

>>58672053
Bro, Zygarde isn't even a threat with how much setup it requires.

>>58672053
Froslass maybe?
Not sure how to build one that isn't glassy

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>>58655131
Just got Zygarde. Which stats do I pump for Ranked? Do you guys just use bottle caps to max, then max 2 stats with vitamins?

I used Zygarde as an example, how do you do this for every Pokemon though? I keep reading that you can only max "Best!" stats with bottle caps, then you always want to max 2 stats on your Pokemon.

>>58672740
Everything runs max HP & max Atk/Sp.Atk EVs.

If a stat is "best" it means it's already max 31 IV and you don't have to bottle cap it. You should bottle cap each stat to max, we earn so many caps from ranked now that it's easy to get a bunch.

>>58672791
>Max HP and Sp. Atk
Let's be honest here, is that even necessary with 216 base HP and Sp. Atk once Mega? Feels like it would be better to invest into both defenses and some into Sp. Atk for Nihil Light or Sludge Wave to shit on Xerneas.

But I'm specifically talking about Mega Zygarde, which already looks like a tediously awakward mon to build and run. Maybe regular Zygarde with maxed Attack, Sp. Def and a Yache Berry or AV is the way to go.

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It looks like Zygarde's hitbox is slim enough that you can dodge an ice beam by circle strafing. I kinda want to test it later if people want to make a lobby because I'm guessing that that lock on system is actually targeting the empty space behind Zygarde rather than the Pokemon itself.

Went from Z to A in an hour with Glaceon, Skarm and Garchomp. Smooth. Zygardes aren't a problem at all. Im actually impressed if you choose to use one since it requires so many conditions to get off to the mega.

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>>58672053
Glaceon falls into a wierd niche (all eevees do)

>stupidly high special attack(130)
>high def(110)

it can stand up to thigns it needs to kill like garchomp and other physical attackers and blast it with ice beam. Flareon has a similar niche with high special defense and a stupidly high physical attack.
And both exist in a meta with target rich enviroments (dragons and steel types)

>>58672848
>Let's be honest here, is that even necessary with 216 base HP and Sp. Atk once Mega? Feels like it would be better to invest into both defenses and some into Sp. Atk for Nihil Light or Sludge Wave to shit on Xerneas

Non-mega pumping on a Pokemon that can hold something other than a stone works better. Most people recently don't even get to pop mega fast enough to get top 2 spots, and when they do, everyone just runs away from the Mega and fights each other until the Mega wears off, then they go for you.

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>>58672910
>Bragging about getting "A" Rank AFTER they removed loss penalties

Congrats on "just playing a lot"

>>58672918
I consider it a win since I got either 1st or 2nd place. Had it worse last season. Blame casuals for being wussies about losing.

I keep seeing what I believe are bots. They always run Tyrantrum. They also have Metagross and I think Chandelure. They won't move at all, but if you get close to them, the Tyrantrum will Head Smash, or the Metagross will use Explosion. Really fucks with the dynamic of the match. Anyone else ran into this?

>>58673086
I ran into one with the same exact mons. I thought they were just AFK players because they moved sometimes but not always. Whats the purpose? To afk farm points?

>>58673097
I was going to say that they're farming apriballs, but it seems pretty unlikely to me that they could get 1st or 2nd with that strat to actually have a chance of winning them, so I don't know. And farming points feels pointless when you can get to Rank A in a couple of hours now

>>58673137
Its retarded. The only benefit is getting to rank A via AFK. If anything it helps (You) get to rank a because those players are always easy targets. Whenever a game has them people always get up to 10 kills

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>Japanese guy brings a Pansage and Pansear
>no, not the evolved forms
>assume it's someone early in the story who just wants the Chesnaughtite
>gets 8 KOs and wins

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>get confused for a bit and keep running through a power up that I can't pick up for some reason
>opponent runs through and picks it up no problem and immediately OHKO's me
Rank A only takes a couple hours, and still somehow I get pissed at these little issues. At least backsliding is impossible.

>>58673425
It's starting to seem that pretty much most pokemon are viable here if you're willing to try. I'm going to try all basic pokemon.

>>58668389
Scrubbed data? Does that mean it’s not coming or is it coming in the dlc?

>>58673086
Just run into this, and there were two at the same time. Tyrantrum, Metagross and Chandelure. I was kinda hoping the other real player would understand what was going on but he kept on coming for me, my plan was for each one of us to camp each of their spawns separately to end up in a first place tie, but you can't really communicate in this game and running in circles doesn't mean much, the guy probably thought I was a bot too I ended up winning 11-10, the bots didn't get a single KO

Just got to E rank and I'm done. Zygarde players just get stomped instantly with the deer.

i hate legendaries

>>58674302
it's just xerneas, that whole pokemon was always a mistake

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>almost killing zygarde
>the transformer form activates and blocks my move

What's the best and easiest to access place to hunt for Eevees in ZA?

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>>58674329
courtyard in zone 9

>>58674311
>transformer form
Deserved

>>58665821
Shalpha Ampharos, Lopunny, idk for the third

man, quick claw dig has gotta be up there with the funniest most clutch moves you can make

Just got soloed by a fucking braixen user wtf

>>58675208
>90 base special
>access to calm mind

its no joke. haunter and machoke are also absolute beasts

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>>58675208
Braixen is fun.

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chesnaught was done dirty. Where is seed bomb?

>wood hammer
no range
>bullet seed
slow and weak

Where is solar blade? Power whip?

>>58675357
>killed skarmory with solar beam
wtf

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>>58675465
no, he hit skarmory, skarmory ate recoil and died and he got credit for the kill

>>58675399
Hows vine whips range?

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>>58675542
a little bit more than brick break. But its power is laughable.

and chestnaught DOES get vine whip.

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Imagine being the mascot of the whole game and turns out to be ass

>>58675843
You need to lose half or your HP to be used and zero recovery moves no shit it sucks

>>58672932
>Blame casuals for being wussies about losing.
It wouldn't be a big deal if Ranked wasn't tied to getting megastones

Just ban all legendaries and mythicals already

>>58676354
diancie can stay it gets utterly destroyed by metagross and the million waters roaming around

>>58676354
Xerneas is the only problem.

>>58676037
Wish and green buff exists, its not to difficult

>>58676354
>>58676470

Yea, its really only xerneas. zygarde50% is a worse garchomp, yveltal is thick but hes not taking kill after kill.

is the chesnaughtite available yet?

I NEVER see anyone using Steelix.

Alpha Mega Steelix pulled most of the weight to get me to Rank A.

Iron Tail
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Giga Impact

Careful Nature, max HP and attack is almost maxed, but not really because Steelix picked up some Def and SDef EVs from the Infinite Z-A royale, and I didn't care to reset those with berries.

I would aways start matches with a different Pokemon, like Kangaskhan.

Once Kangaskhan is mostly dead, hopefully I have enough mega energy to swap in Steelix and mega evolve asap.

>>58676747
Yeah.

>>58676800
thanks

>>58676767
because it gets shanked by +1 Garchomp/Excadrill and FB Xern

What should I be running for EV spreads generally? Seems like 252 HP 252 Sp/Atk is to go to for most mons.

>>58676984
Thats fine. If you start using pre-evos you can abandon HP and choose SPD instead.

trying to manifest a XS eevee for ranked
ts better be worth the wait
I just want to get it over with but my autism is holding me back

Hit A rank with Ampharos, Scizor and Mega Zygarde. Mega Zygarde really is a clunky one. If you're not getting obliterated by Xerneas, Chomp or Ice, your getting third partied once you manage to pull off the mega evolution. High risk, mediocre reward.

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>Every single match, I receive the "most active attacker" award
>even on those rare occasions where nothing seems to go my way and I spend half the match staring at the respawn timer...
>I'm still the most active attacker
What's wrong with you people?
It's a battle.
Why don't you FIGHT ME?!

>>58677173

Because first is awarded off of kills, not score. I feel your pain


>scatter attacker
>fresh oponent hunter
>most active attacker

just remember to run down every xerneas player

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>>58677193
I already slaughter those damned deer with my Garbodor and Scizor both. Sometimes also Gyarados if I'm feeling cheeky and dodge the TBolt with a Bounce. Delete fairies. Boil fairies alive. Skin fairies.

I understand that sometimes being the killstealer is the winning play, but I can't see a world in which anybody wins in this game by doing absolutely nothing. You have to make some moves, you have to *use* your moves to make shit happen, and any time you're not using a move or moving to a position where you can better use a move is a lost opportunity.

>>58677221
Garb and scizor builds? Id love to have some variety

Anyone know what the typical Ampharos lead build and EVs for ZA looks like? The ones that usually go Charge + dual screens + Thunderbolt or something like that

>>58676354
Ban legendarys, mythicals, Garchomp, Metagross, Excadrill, and nerf Earthquake for online. There, now ranked mode is fun.

>>58678671
>>58678671
>Ban legendarys, mythicals, Garchomp, Metagross, Excadrill, and nerf Earthquake for online. There, now ranked mode is fun.


Excessive. zygarde, diancie and yvetal are actually fine.
Xerneas could be fixed by reducing its move speed, making geomancy take 1.5 seconds longer, and the new geomancy giving it its current run speed

>garchomp
>excadrill
>metagross
are not the problem well meta gross is for a different reason
>earthquake
pokemon that move into earthquake take 70% reduced damage, adn its active frames are reduced by half.

>metagross
Metagross is fine, it's mega metagross that is ridiculous. Slap a move speed reduction on it as well.
However, the DLC is brining over like,10 legendarily. So i'm gonna agree to just ban legendaries and mythicals but they won't, because legendaries sell teh DLC

Finally got an XS Eevee. Should I make it a Glaceon or a Flareon? It's male if that matters.

The smaller Flareon is, the faster it looks like it moves with flame wheel and flare blitz.

Glaceon's freeze-dry gets smaller the smaller it is.

>>58678712
Oh shit, Freeze Dry is an AoE move like Earthquake you're right. So it's technically better to use an Alpha Glaceon? What about moves like Fly/Bounce/Heavy Slam?

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>>58678727
>Oh shit, Freeze Dry is an AoE move like Earthquake you're right. So it's technically better to use an Alpha Glaceon?


In my experience. No, I find I get more millage being small. This is a small Glaceon. I tried a larger Glaceon and got clipped a lot.

>DID YOU SEE IT?

>>58678734
Alright, small it is. I hope XS isn't too small for the sake of clipping moves or being funny against hitboxes.
Yes, yes I saw it.

>>58678734
Are we still awaiting hard data regarding moves that are affected by the difference between XS and XL? Obviously Earthquake is, but Freeze-Dry seems significantly less obvious. Is there a list being compiled anywhere or are we still just going off each other’s anecdotal observations?

>>58678775
If there is, it's happening in a discord or on smogon.

>>58678775
>>58678776
Forgot to mention, trap moves like fire spin, whirlpool, and sand tomb get a huge size bonus, damage bonus, and duration bonus, if you +plus them that is not directly tied to Pokémon size.

>>58678780
Does the likes of Heat Wave or Earth Power get affected by Pokémon size?
Did I hunt an XS Fennekin and Skarmory all for nothing?

>>58679116
Yes

>>58679116
>Did I hunt an XS Fennekin and Skarmory all for nothing?
For Fennekin at least, I don't think so. You'll probably have a better time walking out of range of Earthquakes. I've been using Alpha Simisear, and there's been times where it's gotten hit by Earthquakes that I thought it would have been out of range of.

>>58677975
Garbodor goes Attack and HP EVs like you'd expect, item is Assault Vest to tank special hits like a champ, attacks are Gunk Shot/Poison Jab/Rollout/Thunderbolt. First two are self-explanatory, two strong STAB moves that help with Garbodor's main job which is bullying fairies and chunking other things that don't resist poison. A lot of players are caught by surprise by the special bulk assvest brings, you can even 1v1 some Psychic types. Garbodor's coverage options are not good at all, and Rollout and Tbolt are the best I could get. Rollout can wreck Charizard and finish off a weakened Chandelure, at least. Tbolt is kind of a weird pick I guess, since it mostly just tickles whatever it hits coming off of Garb's bad SpAtk, but having something to use when other moves are on cooldown that ticks a particularly useful box like very good target tracking makes it my choice for the 4th slot.

Scizor I'm a little torn on as the third member of my team, it seems to put in the least work. Atk/HP, mega stone item, moves are Steel Wing/Bullet Punch/U-Turn/Curse. I thought I was being clever by having Curse as my boosting move since Bullet Punch and U-Turn's mobility could theoretically offset the disadvantage of reduced movement speed, but I very rarely get to do the sort of plays I am imagining. A lot of players just running away shuts Scizor down unfortunately. I also seldom end up mega evolving since I like using plus moves all the time. It still shreds the occasional Xern or two, but otherwise the matchups aren't all that great with the Steel and Bug moves getting walled by a bunch of things. Hate getting sniped by Fire types from across the map too. Thinking of changing the moveset a little (maybe try Iron Head instead of Steel Wing to see how different it feels, maybe just Swords Dance as a boosting move, or even Agility, or just four attacks and bringing a coverage move like Brick Break), or even changing Pokemon entirely like swapping it for Excadrill.

>>58679299
Oh yeah, forgot to talk about natures. Scizor is obviously +atk -spatk, but Garb is +spdef -speed for a bit more bulk without further shitting on TBolt's damage potential. Not sure if I'm missing out on any speed breakpoints this way, it has 123 speed like this.

Diglet

Good partners for Diance? I was using Charizard X before but Zygarde has me worried