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Why did Sega's game quality take a nose dive during the 6th/7th generation? I'm a zoomer and I distinctly remember growing up with the perception that sega games were bad, since I was mostly exposed to stuff like Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games and Sonic heroes and for whatever reason those games left me with the impression that sega games were bad.
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>>10822242
The games themselves were not terrible but review scores went down particularly after they stopped making consoles. Sonic '06 also affected them pretty badly, even though it was literally only one game.

If you want to check out some of the best classic SEGA games, look at the Genesis (+CD and 32X), Saturn, and Dreamcast. Some people also really like Game Gear and SMS. They did have some really good titles after that point though, like the Super Monkey Ball games, Yakuza series, Puyo Puyo, etc. Some even say their other games are better than Sonic now
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6th and 7th gen had a lot of great stuff. After Burner Climax, PSP2: Infinity, Valkyria Chronicles series, Outrun 2006, Virtua Fighter 5, Shinobi (PS2) series, Yakuza series, Puyo Puyo series, JSRF, PD:Orta, GunValkryie, 7thDragon, Sakura Wars V, Ghost Squad etc.

Not Sega's fault you're too much of lazy fuck to do simple research.
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>>10822242
The entire company took a colossal nosedive.
There's a reason why Sega don't make consoles anymore.
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>>10822242
Aside from Sonic 06 I don't know what you're talking about as Sega remained esteemed through the 6th and 7th gen. Also, all of those review scores you posted in the OP are good.
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>>10822242
6th gen they were still doing well. 7th gen was a shitshow for every japanese dev. Western games like Halo, CoD, Uncharted or Gears of War took the lead, japanese devs started trying to appeal heavily towards the west and even licensing out their IP's to western studios, there was a big anti-japanese sentiment going around like Japan no longer had anything to offer in gaming.
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>>10822242
I'm assuming Dreamcast is excluded from 6th gen. I'll be going console-by-console to see if Sega's games were considered bad in the 6th and 7th gen, starting with the Xbox. Let's exclude games merely published by Sega and only include Sega-owned studios:
>Crazy Taxi 3
Considered good; 69% on Metacritic
>ESPN College Hoops
Considered good; 80% on Metacritic
>ESPN College Hoops 2K5
Considered good; 86% on Metacritic
>ESPN Major League Baseball
Considered good; 78% on Metacritic
>ESPN NBA 2K5
Considered good; 85% on Metacritic
>ESPN NBA Basketball
Considered good; 87% on Metacritic
>ESPN NFL 2K5
Considered good; 92% on Metacritic
>ESPN NFL Football
Considered good; 91% on Metacritic
>ESPN NHL 2K5
Considered good; 88% on Metacritic
>ESPN NHL Hockey
Considered good; 88% on Metacritic
>Gunvalkyrie
Considered good; 59% on Metacritic
>The House of the Dead III
Considered good; 72% on Metacritic
>Iron Phoenix
Considered good; 58% on Metacritic
>Jet Set Radio Future
Considered good; 88% on Metacritic
>NBA 2K2
Considered good; 90% on Metacritic
>NBA 2K3
Considered good; 87% on Metacritic
>NCAA College Basketball 2K3
Considered good; 84% on Metacritic
>NCAA College Football 2K3
Considered good; 70% on Metacritic
>NFL 2K2
Considered good; 87% on Metacritic
>NFL 2K3
Considered good; 92% on Metacritic
>NHL 2K3
Considered good; 89% on Metacritic
>Otogi: Myth of Demons
Considered good; 80% on Metacritic
>Otogi 2: Immortal Warriors
Considered good; 79% on Metacritic
>OutRun 2
Considered good; 79% on Metacritic
>OuRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast
Considered good; 77% on Metacritic
>Panzer Dragoon Orta
Considered good; 90% on Metacritic
>Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II
Considered good; 83% on Metacritic
>Puyo Pop Fever
No reviews for the Xbox version lol. Average of other versions is 72% on Metacritic; considered good.
>Rent A Hero No.1
Considered good; 54% on Metacritic
>Sega GT 2002
Considered good; 82% on Metacritic

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>>10822442
>Sega GT Online
Considered good; 72% on Metacritic
>Sega Soccer Slam
Considered good; 80% on Metacritic
>Shadow the Hedgehog
Considered bad; 49% on Metacritic
>Shenmue II
Considered good; 80% on Metacritic
>Sonic Heroes
Considered good; 73% on Metacritic
>Sonic Mega Collection Plus
Considered good; 75% on Metacritic
>Sonic Riders
Considered good; 56% on Metacritic
>Spartan: Total Warrior
Considered good; 73% on Metacritic
>Spikeout: Battle Street
Considered good; 54% on Metacritic
>Super Monkey Ball Deluxe
Considered good; 81% on Metacritic
>ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth
Considered good; 71% on Metacritic
>World Series Baseball 2K2
Considered good; 85% on Metacritic
>World Series Baseball 2K3
Considered good; 89% on Metacritic

That's 78% on average for the Xbox. Even if we exclude the acclaimed 2K sports titles, that's a 72.24% average on the Xbox, with only one game (Shadow the Hedgehog at 49%) failing to get a passing grade. If there had been a perception that Sega games in the 6th gen were bad, it certainly wasn't on Xbox.
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Next is Game Boy Advance. Forgive me but I will be excluding obscure Japan-only titles that have don't have any critic reviews:
>Altered Beast: Guardian of the Realms
Considered good; 63% on Metacritic
>Astro Boy: Omega Factor
Considered good; 85% on Metacritic
>Baseball Advance
Considered good; 80% on Metacritic
>ChuChu Rocket!
Considered good; 84% on Metacritic
>Columns Crown
Considered good; 70% on Metacritic
>Comix Zone
No reviews for this one... I'll play devil's advocate and HALVE the Metacritic score of the 360 version: 35.5% for ya
>Crazy Taxi: Catch a Ride
Considered bad; 48% on Metacritic
>Gunstar Super Heroes
Considered good; 83% on Metacritic
>Jet Set Radio
Considered good; 74% on Metacritic
>Phantasy Star Collection
Considered good; 76% on Metacritic
>Pinball of the Dead
Considered good; 79% on Metacritic
>Puyo Pop
Considered good; 84% on Metacritic
>Puyo Pop Fever
No reviews for this one, but it is nearly identical to the DS version; that one sits at 76% on Metacritic
>Sega Arcade Gallery
Considered good; 70% on Metacritic
>Sega Rally Championship
Considered good; 59% on Metacritic
>Sega Smash Pack
Considered good; 60% on Metacritic
>Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon
Considered good; 77% on Metacritic
>Shining Soul
Considered good; 58% on Metacritic
>Shining Soul II
Considered good; 74% on Metacritic
>Sonic Advance
Considered good; 87% on Metacritic
>Sonic Advance 2
Considered good; 83% on Metacritic
>Sonic Advance 3
Considered good; 79% on Metacritic
>Sonic Battle
Considered good; 69% on Metacritic
>Sonic Pinball Party
Considered good; 77% on Metacritic
>Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis
Considered bad; 33% on Metacritic
>Space Channel 5: Ulala's Cosmic Attack
Considered good; 55% on Metacritic
>Super Monkey Ball Jr.
Considered good; 82% on Metacritic
>Virtua Tennis
Considered good; 83% on Metacritic

That's a 69.98% average, or 71.26% if we omit the disingenuous Comix Zone score. Only 3 get a failing grade, so the GBA musn't be on OP's mind.
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Next, GameCube:
>18 Wheeler: American Pro Trucker
Considered good; 52% on Metacritic
>Amazing Island
Considered good; 59% on Metacritic
>Beach Spikers: Virtua Beach Volleyball
Considered good; 76% on Metacritic
>Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg
Considered good; 71% on Metacritic
>Crazy Taxi
Considered good; 69% on Metacritic
>F-Zero GX
Considered good; 89% on Metacritic
>Home Run King
Considered good; 66% on Metacritic
>NBA 2K2
Considered good; 90% on Metacritic
>NBA 2K3
Considered good; 84% on Metacritic
>NCAA College Basketball 2K3
Considered good; 82% on Metacritic
>NCAA College Football 2K3
Considered good; 70% on Metacritic
>NFL 2K3
Considered good; 92% on Metacritic
>NHL 2K3
Considered good; 89% on Metacritic
>Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II
Considered good; 85% on Metacritic
>Phantasy Star Online Episode III: C.A.R.D. Revolution
Considered good; 71% on Metacritic
>Puyo Pop Fever
Considered good; 72% on Metacritic
>Sega Soccer Slam
Considered good; 84% on Metacritic
>Shadow the Hedgehog
Considered good; 51% on Metacritic
>Skies of Arcadia
Considered good; 84% on Metacritic
>Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut
Considered good; 57% on Metacritic
>Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
Considered good; 73% on Metacritic
>Sonic Gems Collection
Considered good; 64% on Metacritic
>Sonic Heroes
Considered good; 72% on Metacritic
>Sonic Mega Collection
Considered good; 75% on Metacritic
>Sonic Riders
Considered good; 59% on Metacritic
>Spartan: Total Warrior
Considered good; 73% on Metacritic
>Super Monkey Ball
Considered good; 87% on Metacritic
>Super Monkey Ball 2
Considered good; 87% on Metacritic
>Virtua Quest
Considered good; 55% on Metacritic
>Virtua Striker 2002
Considered good; 58% on Metacritic
72.87% on average, or 71.28% if we exclude the 2K sports series. Once again, OP mustn't be thinking about GameCube.
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Wii:
>Alien Syndrome
Considered bad; 48% on Metacritic
>Ghost Squad
Considered good; 69% on Metacritic
>Gunblade NY & LA Machineguns
Considered good; 58% on Metacritic
>House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return
Considered good; 66% on Metacritic
>House of the Dead: Overkill
Considered good; 78% on Metacritic
>Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
Considered good; 66% on Metacritic
>Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
Considered good; 67% on Metacritic
>Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
Considered good; 72% on Metacritic
>NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Considered good; 69% on Metacritic
>Samba de Amigo
Considered good; 68% on Metacritic
>Sega Bass Fishing
Considered good; 59% on Metacritic
>Sega Superstars Tennis
Considered good; 71% on Metacritic
>Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing
Considered good; 78% on Metacritic
>Sonic and the Black Knight
Considered good; 54% on Metacritic
>Sonic and the Secret Rings
Considered good; 69% on Metacritic
>Sonic Colors
Considered good; 78% on Metacritic
>Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity
Considered good; 56% on Metacritic
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode I
Considered good; 81% on Metacritic
>Sonic Unleashed
Considered good; 66% on Metacritic
>Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Considered good; 74% on Metacritic
>Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll
Considered good; 59% on Metacritic
>Virtua Tennis 2009
Considered good; 73% on Metacritic
>Virtua Tennis 5
Considered good; 65% on Metacritic

This gives a 66.96% average on the Wii. Indeed, it's a marked decline from Xbox, GBA and GameCube and doesn't have many "core" games that you'd see on the aforementioned systems. However, this also isn't /vr/, and 66% is still a passing grade.



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