Yeah, so, why did North American localizers decide to re-name this game as, "A Link to the Past", when it didn't contain any time-travel elements?
>>11277858It contains Link and was released in the past.
>>11277859every game was released in the past
>>11277858They couldn't name it Triforce of the Gods, so they made up a wordplay to allude to the game being a prequel and to include the name of the playable character in the subtitle. They did the same with Link's Awakening (which was originally Dreaming Island).
>>11277867>Triforce of the GodsWhy not?
>>11277870Nintendo censored anything religious back then, which is actually odd since being godly would have made video games seem less bad for parents who were concerned about video games ruining their children.
>>11277876Gods is not equal to God and is blasphemy for anyone actually somewhat religious.
>>11277865Half life 3 hasn't
>>11277880this. everyone knows there is only one god: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and sometimes Mary
>>11277858the real question is why did they decide to use the same box art for link to the past and links awakening so child me thought they were the same game? Has NoA ever done anything right?
>>11277858For a country that has near total freedom of speech, America sure loved censoring.
>>11277962My body is ready meme, and that's an accident. And I guess the marketing campaign from the 80s that included Nintendo Power and the Hotline.
>>11277858Why did they rename "Goddess Statue" to "Trophy"?
>>11277962You ended up with a game even better than alttp
>>11277858It's hard to imagine this, but Zelda was a dead franchise in the land of Sonic, Street Fighter IIThey were banking on nostalgia, the past being the original Zelda since Zelda II was a flop
>>11277990Also Doki Doki Panic.
>>11277976That was NoA and I don't know why they did that. I think they were paranoid about censorship in America, but really they just helped feed it.
i always thought the dark world was some time janny shit in the past. im still gonna think that, because who gives a shit about zelda lore anyway.
>>11278046I didn't end up with shit because I never bought it. I only found out like 15 years later that it was a real game.
>>11278081It kind of was, it was a warped mirror of the past world when Ganondorf got the triforce but was then trapped inside of the world by the sages.
>>11277876Christian parents wouldn't automatically trust that a video game, a mere TOY and a foreign-made one at that, was honoring the dogma of their extremely important, far-superior-to-toys religion, just because it had the word "god" in its title. Even if it the word had been "god" and not "gods". If a game was going to touch Christianity, it needed to subordinate itself to the religion and advertise the fact that it was doing so. Anything else would invite controversy.I mean most parents weren't psychos or anything and would only occasionally become only marginally caught up in stupid crusades against harmless things like stories about elves with pink hair fighting evil pigmen. But still, why flirt with the risk of having your product be swallowed by some tentacle of the Satanic Panic when it's so much easier just to change the title in a trivial way? If the people in charge of publishing Harry Potter in the US could have kept religious fundamentalists out of their hair by renaming the character Godlover Notawitch Potter, maybe they would have. In that case though, the offensive occultism is buried too deeply in the story to remove. But here the offensive concept is just in the title and I dunno maybe a little bit of fluff dialogue here and there for all I can remember, so yeah, it got ripped out.
>>11278072It's lazy to just assume that corporations do things for no reason when they have all the market research and all you have is "I personally don't like that decision"
>>11278153>It's lazy to just assume
It's a prequel to the 1st Zelda game.
>>11278147>Nintendo spends the better part of two decades sanding off the edges of things to downplay religious elements, violence, blood, drugs, to make overly hairtrigger angry religious parents not screech about them>yellow mouse undoes that all in an instant and is seen as the anti-christIt's funny when you think about it. Like Nintendo was so overly prepped that Wrestlemania on NES said Hulk Hogan's special item was a "golden X", and then a game with nothing they needed to alter was the one of "This is a satan it is corrupting your children it is offensive"
>>11278072Nope. Nintendo saw a market opening when Atari fucked up in the '83, so they did their market research to see what they needed to change in order to sell video games to an american market that wasn't so interested in video games anymore. One of their conclusions was that they needed to sell the NES not as "electronic entertainment" like Atari and many others did back in the day, so they figured the best thing they could do was to sell it as a "cool toy" for boys or at least, as toys for all the family. Because it was a toy, you couldn't sell games either too violent, sexualized or containing religious themes so they censored themselves, not because the puritan american consumers, but because of a marketing image they wanted to project. And you don't need to go too far, Nintendo Power #1 starts with a little Mario story instead of a review or detailing technical aspects of the NES. That's almost like what Mattel did with the original He-Man toys that included comics to tell the story about the characters.
>>11277962makes sense, all zeldas are essentially the same game
>>11277976>>11278072>>11278147>>11278313There was no standard rating systems back in the day and consoles were marketed as family friendly so Nintendo had to regulate the games themselves.If they didn't do this it was only a matter of time until some edgelord dev made a game that went too far (for the time period) and the government would knock on their door asking wtf they were doing allowing that kind of shit in something perceived as for children.That's exactly what happened with Mortal Kombat and Night Trap.I know most of it was politicians making a fuss to try to advance their careers by pretending they cared but Nintendo's fear of getting into a lot of shit with the government of a country where the majority are very prudish was still valid
>>11278313These parents just automatically react to anything that gets big and popular and that they don't like or understand. It's why jokes about how SMT is the real demonic Pokemon don't land because SMT came out too late and was played by too old of an audience for boomer and xoomer parents to care about fearmongering against.It's really funny when you think about it. D&D, metal, Doom, Harry Potter all made sense for evangelical parents to dislike, but Pokemon showcases what I mean. Yeah there's a deep Japanese heritage to it but you have to dig for that shit
>>11278081I thought it was the fucked up future after he won. That's what I assumed the title was refering to.
Was Miyamoto influenced by Chanbara films?
A Link to the Past was planned to have time travel at one point in development. Nintendo of America is just lazy/incompetent. It's their job to translate and localize the game, which they did. It's their job to consult with Japanese developers and executives, which they did. They knew the game didn't have time travel. And if they didn't know, it just further proves that they were lazy/incompetent.
>>11277886based and islampilled
>>11277858Link to the Past does not imply time travel.
>>11277858>>11278546The Triforce is the link to the Golden Land past (era), you fucking double-digit IQ autists. It's in the fucking intro for the game.
>>11277870>>11277867>>11277876It's "The Divine Triforce". Din, Farore, and Nayru are all goddesses (ergo, >>11278019). Play the fucking games. You don't know Japanese nor the context of these games that it is necessary to properly translate it.
>>11277962>>11278369Link's Awakening is literally the direct sequel to A Link to the Past. Also, you gays are retarded and know nothing about branding (which was actually good in this era of Nintendo: worn sword and shield over a gold background looks kino as fuck and pops).
>>11278468I know that was a stated influence for Ocarina of Time, I don't remember if he was for LttP but I'm almost certain
>>11278580no, this is kino
>>11277876>paganism would make video games seem less bad for parents who were concerned about video games ruining their children
>>11278682Embarrassing. NoA was in the right on this one.
>>11277858My friend used to call ALttP "Zelda 3"
>>11277962The fact that there are two different colors of box for ALttP made me think one of them was a console version of Link's Awakening.
Is this also why they call it the sanctuary and not a church, chapel etc?
>>11277962You sound like you were a pretty dumb kid if you couldn’t discern the difference.
umm link is the guys nameand he is linked to the past by his grampops duhlike "pokemon go to the polls"there is no election in that gameits just a play on words
>>11279009>pokemon go to the polls?
>>11279014some dumb pal world rip off nintendo made
>>11279017I completely missed this meme and I’m from America. Just looked it up.
>>11277865>but aren't YOU doing that? isn't that what YOUR brain does? isn't like that you mean right now? what is how YOUR brain works?
>It doesn't take place in the pastSo when does Link get a smartphone and an Audi
>>11277858It was purely marketing for the Link character, and by extension the Zelda series. I'd say they did a good job, most Japanese games end up branding themselves with some nonsense words that are far worse than that.
By then they already knew they were going to write Ocarina of Time as the sealing war that is described in the past of LttP, so they made a fun little nod as it being a link to OoT
>>11277962SOVL>>11278682gay as hell lmao what is this garbage?
>>11277858Nintendo of America's policies at the time didn't allow religious references unless they were specifically related to Greek or Roman mythology. However, enforcement was spotty, so you saw things like the cross on Link's shield in the original LoZ
>>11279183why not just name it Link of the Past then?
>>11279654they didthe legend of zelda is the name of the seriesnot the name of the gamejust like the game and movie are called "goldeneye" not "James Bond 007 in Goldeneye"
>>11277876>Protestants>godlyNah senpai they're just superstitious ain't nothing godly there
>>11279610Castlevania has Holy Crosses everywhere.
>>11278569I'm truly astounded by your mix of arrogance and retardation, so here's your (You). The Japanese name is Kamigami no Triforce, it's literally Triforce of (no) Gods (kamigami). Divine Triforce would be Kamigamishii Triforce and that's not what it's called.Din, Farore and Nayru hadn't been named yet when Link to the Past came out, and no translator could be expected to know they'd be female because the Japanese manual only mentions male gods: chikara no kami (god of strength), chie no kami (god of wisdom), and yuuki no kami (god of courage).
>>11279928>Castlevania has Holy Crosses everywhere.Yes, and they localized them as boomerangs precisely because of the aforementioned NoA policies.
>>11279928Like I said before, spotty enforcement. Plus, crosses are often associated with warding off vampires anyway.>>11280034Fourth item down on the list is a cross necklace.
>>11280034And what do they call the fourth item on that list? Definitely not a "boomerang".
>>11280040Yup, a cross because of spotty enforcement.
>>11280040>>11280034And the manual also called Holy Water a "fire bomb".
>>11280046Crosses got removed from the coffins in Ducktales, replaced with RIP. They probably enforced it more strictly there since it's a show based on a kids' cartoon instead of something vaguely horror themed.
>>11280048CV2 has the very first NPC you meet telling you to buy Holy Water. And to be fair, the localized manuals for Konami games were full of made-up garbage that wasn't even accurate to the localized text in the games themselves.
>>11280057I wonder how that one slipped by.
>>11280034This image encapsulates the things stated in this thread The crosses you throw get censored as boomerangs of courseBut there's also a literal cross they left just in there because these localizations always had things go byBut think of it for a second, one of those crosses is something that kills all the enemies, indicating some kind of power and reverence. The other one is just something you throw like a random object, like a glass bottle in a bar fight. So they made a choice here
>>11278546I've jerked off to these multiple times already, a shame there's no more art of them
>>11280141>So they made a choice hereThe items were originally a cross and a rosary, and between the two, rosary is more denominational and religious, so I guess they preferred to make the rosary a cross and the cross something else to get rid of Catholicism having super powers.
>>11277976Did you just confuse US law with NoA policy?
>>11277858because after you played OoT, you'd realize ALttP is the past and OoT was the future of gaming
>>11279008Being shitty to people for no reason doesn't make you cool.
>>11280434I think he's talking about the irony that we have freedom of speech but since we work for and with corporations for most of our lives and they decide what gets a pass and doesn't, we really don't
>>11279928Christianity gets a pass this time because they're depicted as wacky mythological creature hunters
>>11279663LoZ Link's Awakening makes sense as a title. LoZ A Link to the Past doesn't. There's no links to the past ingame and it doesn't grammatically parse as a past Link person.
>>11281915>There's no links to the past ingameIt's a fucking prequel
>>11279663>the legend of zelda is the name of the seriesThey should have left it as the Hyrule Fantasy, which was the original title. Legend of Zelda was a subtitle.
>>11281951There's nothing linking Alttp with LoZ.
>>11277858Can Dungeons of Infinity be discussed on this board or does it belong on /v/, considering “it’s not a romhack”?
>>11279687>being against saying set "prayers" (incantations) 40 times in a row to a statue, using magic beads>being superstituousPick one.
>>11281915See >>11278568
>>11279687Phyllis Schlafly was Catholic, anon. Definitely one of the good ones.
>>11278568>>11282006Rewatch the intro, Dark World isn't linking to the past in any way. Its existence was known and it was sealed up, however it wasn't even abandoned.
>>11282064Not the retards you’re arguing with, but you are correct – the Golden/Sacred Land is just a mirror of Hyrule. I mean… it sort of hinted to you that when you need to use the mirror to return to the Light World, but that’s just my speculation.
>>11278568>>11282064>>11282082>Golden age blessed by the bounty of the Triforce>ended by the lust for the Triforce>Realm is sealed off, and everything in it gets stuck as reflections of their vanity or desires >Link seeks Triforce, and therefore returns Hyrule to its Golden Age ZeldaDensetsuDoro-doro-doro!
>>11280027>Master ForceWhy is it called that?
>>11280027Isn't Kami genderless in Japanese? Even more so since Animeism is a big part of Japanese culture, meaning its a word describing a objects good attributes, which to western earns sounds a lot like divinity. Which by the same token means Kami in Dragonball isn't as much "God" as his name truly means "The exemplary attributes to Earth"?By the same token a Taoist deity isn't described as divine, as much as its described having complete ownership of its concept via the harshness of having experienced it fully. >Doesn't this just tie into NoA being incompetent Yes. But English isn't esoteric, so its always a matter of picking your battles of prose vs meaning vs bluntness
>>11277962>The Legend of Zelda: Dream IslandWhy'd they change it bros
>>11282190>Links Adventure>A LINK to the Past>Links Awakening If they kept up the trend i'd image it would have something like >An Elegy to Link>The LINK between the Seasons>the Link of Nayru >The Linking of the Giants >Linking the Ocean and the Wind >Dawn, a Link to Dusk etc
>>11282206id link with malon iykwim
>>11277858Are you retarded? It's because the main character is called "Link" and the story is set before the events of the first two games. Holy shit, dude.
>>11282295it can't mean half of 2 different things idiot
>>11281853There is no conflict there, you have freedom of speech to say what you want, create whatever you want etc and likewise corporations have the right to censor their own product if they wish. They were worried some crazy 90s christian groups would cause a stink and get it pulled from walmart or something so they went the safe route and removed the religious references. They didn't want to do it necessarily but felt there was a risk there.
>Zelda 2 - The Adventure of LINK>Zelda - A LINK to the past>Zelda - Link's AwakeningIs everyone stupid except me? The answer is obvious: it was a tradition, that started due to the fact that americans thought Zelda was the name of the protagonist; and it took three games of hammering "HIS NAME IS LINK YOU FUCKING MORONS" into their brains before they were finally allowed to have real subtitles.
the only way the title could make sense is if it's referring to the prologue leading up to the events of the game. kinda like "the past lead up to this" but it sounds stupid still
>>11282315It just sounds cool.
>>11282181No, megami is goddess and if you wanted to make sure the titles the Triforce creators get in the Japanese manual would be interpreted as female, you'd use megami. If you're able to tell apart god, God and goddess in English then you're able to differentiate kami, kamisama and megami in Japanese. It sounds like you're trying to exoticize and overcomplicate language when it's pretty clear.
>>11280739Nah. I’m tired of people claiming they thought or did stupid things because they were a kid. Maybe they were just stupid then and now.
>>11278147Christian parents in the bible belt literally bought more copies of Crash Team Racing because CTR reminded them of Christ The Redeemer.
>>11282297This is an English website.
>>11282662I’m pretty sure it’s a Japanese site made by an American.
>>11282669United States posters will always take priority. Deal with it.
>>11282674Yet, you said English.
>>11282682Yeah, U.S. English obviously. Imagine thinking Bongs, Aussies or Kiwis matter.
>>11282682>youThat's not me.
>>11282690>obviouslyNo, you purposely said this was an “English” website, to imply these boards were made for the King and his colonies, when you could have properly said this is an AMERICAN website.>>11282691>1 minute apartDon’t bullshit me.
>>11282703Fuck off, Bong.
>>11282709Quit projecting.This is an American board and you’re not welcome here.
>>11282713I’m in Colorado and it sounds like we’re in agreement. Fuck Nigel.
>>11282662If Link refers to the character(s), it doesn't make sense. It would have to be "A Link of the Past." If it's just the word "link" then something or the game itself would have to connect to the past. I know it can be the word "link" and be placed there because the game's protagonist is named Link but the title still has to make sense.
People analyzing the English localized name for a Japanese game are fucking weird. The english title is fanfiction tier, its worthless. The people that came up with the name didnt make the game, they didnt come up with the idea for the game, they didnt fund it. The name could have 20 layers of metaphor and double meaning and could move you to tears when you read it but it doesnt matter, its not real.
>>11282857>its not realI can see it right now. There it is, it's real.
>>11277867>They couldn't name it Triforce of the Gods, so they made up a wordplay to allude to the game being a prequel and to include the name of the playable character in the subtitle. They did the same with Link's Awakening (which was originally Dreaming Island)Yeah, the game really plays out like a prequel to the other games, because it starts off with Link living with his uncle and presumably he meets Princess Zelda for the first time in this game. So you were given the impression that it was a prequel of some kind. But I could see how the time travel aspect could have been implemented in the game,. If you look at the 'dark world' as some sort of dark future timeline, and the ability to jump between dark world and light world, I guess it could have been remnants of a time travel element. But then again Ocarina of Time did actually incorporate time travel, and so did Majoras Mask.
>>11282774It's the Master Sword. The Master Sword is the link. Only the knights could wield it in the past, and Link proved to be of that line (because of the game's events). That's why it's on the title screen.And that's besides the play on words.
>>11282467Next up you will tell me that Ken means "Sword" specifically.
>>11282857And where is your proof that it's not the Japanese who came up with the western titles?Checkmate atheist.
>>11282857Me when I see people argue about Bible translations. Thousands of scholars over thousands of years bowing down to me, Anonymous
>>11278569>The Divine Triforce>Triforce of the GodsThese mean the same thing.That anon might not speak Japanese, but at least he doesn't have the bad kind of autism.
>>11277858You’ll have to consider this is a prequel to the two NES games.
It's said that the game was not meant to be a prequel but was simply the third Zelda game after the Famicom RPG was cancelled.
>>11282857its a stupid video game anon. you can reasonably translate it. its not poetry.
>>11282990I don't see how the master sword connects Link and his uncle's bloodline
>>11282315
>>11285278He slept with his uncle to get the power to pull the sword.
>>11277865Maybe the real past was the friends we made along the way
>>11285210Don't you know that unlike every other language on Earth Japanese is a mystical and esoteric tongue where everything is ambiguous, direct communication is impossible, and nobody knows how their society even functions when people can only guess what the others mean? And this isn't some retarded take people who fetishize Japanese and barely speak it have, it's the actual truth even if it makes no sense.
ALTTP is only a "prequel" because fans won't shut up about there being a timeline, to the point where Nintendo themselves had to functionally build one for the mainline games. But in reality, Miyamoto and Tezuka obviously did not care about the story of the games, and just saw them as new versions after the NES ended. Does ALTTP have anything to do with Zelda 1 and 2 at all? No. Does ALTTP supposedly being a prequel or a sequel affect anything or serve any sort of practical value? No. Is the idea that all of the games are connected a piece of fanfiction? Yes.>you are wrong/how dare you suggest this?/shut upJust show 1 piece of evidence from the early 90s where the developers themselves said it was intentionally designed as a prequel or even suggested it.
>>11285524I agree that canon ultimately doesn't matter in Zelda, but didn't they present it as a prequel even back in the day. By NoA of course, this game isn't called this in Japan.
>>11277858Nintendo Japan: Christianity is A-OKAY!Nintendo of America: Oh no... we can't show overtly Christian themes.
>>11285565Triforce of the Gods is anything but Christian, it has a polytheistic title.
>>11285596Themes
>>11285596The holy trinity
>>11285632The trimurti
>>11285705>HexagramThat's the six pointed swastika, anon.
>>11285715A Link to the Jews
>>11277858It does link to the past. It links to a past I can't escape. A past when I was happy. A past when I thought I would amount to something in life. A past when I used to wake up every day full of awe and wonder. A past when men did not cut their cocks off, and where the very idea of an entire industry turning into a corporatized conveyor belt of homogenized slop was an absurd and pessimistic conspiratorial prophecy believed only by the most insane.
>>11285734LOL
>>11285210>>11285360not my point retard. My point is the english translation is not canon so analyzing the authors intent is essentially analyzing fanfiction
>>11285821This isn't analysis, it's parsing and basic comprehension, which you've struggled with since entering this thread.
>>11277858There is already a game titled 'a link between worlds' so they had to come up with something else
>>11285524>Does ALTTP supposedly being a prequel or a sequel affect anything or serve any sort of practical value? No.much of alttp's dialogue is ppl trying to tell you what went down before the game's eventsthen in oot they put the aforementioned ganondorf the king of theives into gay baby jail and once again gets too powerful to ignorein wind waker he calls a truce after it keeps happening but the king of hyrule slides in to yeet everything
>>11286372kekMakes me wonder if that’s the title they have thought of after “A Link to the Past” but they had already signed off on ALttP and decided to use the proper title on the 3DS game.
>>11277886hello brother, stay strong>>11278682dang, wish we had gotten these kinds of cover for all the 2d zelda
>>11285360Except >>11282857 is correct regarding ANY translation, not just Japanese to English, but half of 4chan are Americans who act like these are the only two languages that exist in fictional media.
>>11279034Did you just fall out of a coconut tree?
>>11287857HUA HUA HUA
>>11286857id hate to break it to you but nobody gives a fuck about non-japanese, non-english slop
>>11278019I don't think it's the religious censorship, otherwise we wouldn't have crosses (which are STILL unexplained due to Nintendo not revisiting that era of the timeline). I think it's due to text constraints. They probably could have gotten away with just calling it a "statue", but then players might've been thinking of a giant statue instead of something collectible.Funny enough, later not-retro games revisited and gave context to the goddess statue. It was retroactively our earliest hint at Hylia.
>>11278264Why would you post truths on an imageboard? First day or sumthin?
>>11277858Because It's a prequuel to zelda 1
