Playing on emulators is superior to the original hardware in 98% of cases
>>12164027Name one advantage of emulation other than>Pause anytime>Fast-forward function>Remap controls>Easy piracy>Remove slowdowns
I'll stick to real hardware, thanks.
>>12164043>eternal preservation of the games even when all plastic has completely rotten>basically free>no extra flash carts or ODEs needed>no memory card and cart memory shit to worry about>doesn't take up extra space>can use basically any controller in existence with it>can emulate on portable devices
My PS2 died.
>>12164067it had a good life
>>12164043>name an advantage of emulators BUT DON'T NAME THE ADVANTAGES
>>12164043You forgot the best one: using superior controllers. N64 with an Xbox controller just makes sense.
>>12164043>>Pause anytime>>Fast-forward function>>Remap controls>>Remove slowdownsYou didn't beat the game.
>>12164043You forgot graphical improvements
>>12164054oh shit, 3 minor visual bugs
>>12164118That don't exist on real hardware. I won't settle for a downgraded experience, thanks.
when emulation is a 1:1 experience there's nothing wrong with it, until that happens PS2 games are better played on an actual PS2
>>12164043Creating your own cheats to either make things easier or just generally fuck around with the game
>>12164086I think you missed the tongue-in-cheek nature of the post
>>12164043less input lag than real hardwarewidescreen patcheseasy save transferson the fly texture editing
>>12164043>Bug fix patches>game improvement patches>translations for Jap-only games>better graphics>achievements for those who are into that
>>12164027>Playing on emulators is superior to the original hardware in 98% of casesOr 100% of cases in PAL regions
>>12164027Real, while collectorchuds are spending 200+ on discs , with my usb drive, autobleem and psclassic i can have the same thing with all sorts of new system settings and more games in general
>>12164063>preservationEmulation is not preservation as you're playing an interpretation of what someone else deems accurate.
>>12164221it's the same game on better hardware"interpretation" makes it sound like it's an entirely new game
>>12164226It's not the same game. I get that you're a lifeless loser so you wouldn't understand the pain of a loved one die then a hollow emulation of them appears acting 99.5% similar but deep down you know it's not the person you loved. Until you understand this you will never get it. Now go outside kid.
bro is comparing emulating Super Mario to a "loved one dying"
>>12164221Neither is playing on original hardware, since console models between manufacturing cycles have different firmware and BIOSes on them which affect the games, sometimes subtle, sometimes not-so-subtle. There are PS2 games that won't even run on the PS2 Slim, or which won't run on launch-date PS2 Fat consoles.
>>12164238even ambient temperature affects the console and causes drift in the quartz oscillator, making even the original hardware not completely "cycle accurate"
Actually if you're not playing the game on the day of release it's an entirely different experience
>>12164043name one advantage of pizza other than>it tastes good
>emulate PS2 game on Macbook M4>zero heat generated>4% CPU usage by the emulator>zero fans, zero moving parts -- completely quiet hardware, room remains as cool as a cucumber
>>12164067Good motivation to learn some electronic repair.Just don't start with the poor PS2, you will absolutely destroy the first few things when trying to repair them, no matter how many youtube videos you watch.
>>12164067>>12164258My original PS2 slim (with the laptop style power adapter) stopped reading discs... I'd like to resurrect it for nostalgia sake (I have a newer slim that works, and a phat with harddrive+FMCB)
>>12164043>name one advantage aside from all these, these don't count because they otherwise would ruin my argument
>>12164258I took my old PS2 fat apart to clean the disc laser lens with no experience just reading a guide and had no issues.
>>12164027There is a time to emulate and a time to play OG hardware. Only a sith deal in absolutes. Or taking the weak bait.
>>12164117If you're not playing PS4 games in the original 480i via composite, you didn't beat the game.
>>12164253I live in eastern europe and can't afford food, so food analogies anger me.
>>12164320Yeah and 98% of the time you should emulate
>janny having a meltdown mass-deleting threads>this one stays up
>>12164413Why are you mad about people discussing emulation?
>>12164235 God tier bait>>12164331 erm actually you need to be playing in rf on a tiny monochrome crt with mono sound and the output needs to mess up mid-game so you have to twist the RF cable and bang your fist on the TV to make it work. SOVL SOVL SOVL
>>12164170unless the cheevos are heckin problematic! can't have that
>>12164094That's like the worst example you could possibly provide lol. Only fps n64 games like Goldeneye are better on an xbox controller.
>>12164320There are also middle grounds like mister fpga or og hardware with flashcarts, or software emulation to a CRT via emudriver. To me the worst thing about software emulation is the input lag. Like yeah, there's runahead to eliminate it but it isn't without drawbacks and many emulators don't have it. I like fast forward but it gets to be really habit forming. This applies to save states as well and they should nearly never be used unless you want to practice a section of a game.
Give me one good reason I shouldn't use save states as long as I only use them at times you would usually be able to save
>>12164478Why do that? Just use ingame saves. Save states aren't real saves, they're volatile ram snapshots that easily get corrupted and often become incompatible with emulator updates and you often can't transfer them between emulators like normal SRAM saves.
>>12164487Save states are more convenient than in-game saves, and I have never had one get corrupted across many games and emulators. I make duplicate saves anyway in case I override one. Emulator updates making them incompatible could certainly be annoying, I'll take that as one good reason
>>12164495It does depend on the emulator probably. I've never had a Retroarch savestate become invalid but PCSX2 nightly has updates all the time that warn the user that the update will make them incompatible. I used to lose save states all the time on MGBA standalone too like 10 yrs ago. If I were you I would at least occasionally make a normal save, or maybe when you finish a game make a normal save to know it's good forever.
No need to rely on aging, often overpriced hardware?
>>12164507I'm glad we were able to discuss this amicably
>>12164413I am not paying for the shitty Switch subscritption service, tendie.
>>12164413I am not paying for the shitty Switch subscription service, tendie.
I changed my PC, got one suitable for the game, installed Windows 11, but I don't understand why it won't let me install the EPSXE emulator for PS1. I managed to install Duckstation, but I preferred EPSXE.Are you having the same problem?Any tricks to fix it?I don't have any problems with the PS2 because I only use the original console, and if it breaks, I'll buy another one. I never want to be without my PS2!For Sega, I use Kega Fusion on a Windows 7 PC, and I haven't had any problems so far.
>>12164054Oh no! Not the one single broken shadow!
>>12164043>what is 2+2.. and DONT say 4!
>>12164043Id say the #1 advantage is access to romhacks that fix, improve or reimagine the game into something superior. retro games stop being developed upon release but fans can keep them alive.
>>12164187Every PAL console from the PS1 onwards can output 60Hz, while the Mega Drive, SNES and Saturn can be easily modded to enable it. There's nothing stopping people in PAL regions playing on original hardware in the age of flash carts and softmods.
>>12164027Yeah bro, this is tooootallly true
>>12164985Are you trying to communicate something?
>>12164986I'm not sure what this post even is
>>12164043>all of this these posts and not the obvious responseConvenience. No need to pull out the cables, splitters, or a $300 converter, fill your house with CRTs if you don't have the space or situation for it, or hunt around for all your old cartridges/discs and system stuff. Backups, piracy, whatever you choose, a good emulator just lets you get up and play it with minimal hassle in most cases outside of the more autistic ones. And 98% of you will never notice the hacks or discrepancies.
No the feeling is not the same, putting a disk or a cartridge in the console will always be superior to just clicking on a romAnd there is no temptation of cheating with save state or stuff like that on real hardware
>>12164938None of those issues happen on a PS2. Until PS2 emulation actually matches the real thing I have zero reason to emulate and deal with broken graphics.
>>12165017that's just nostalgia talking
>>12164027not the case with 360 and ps3
>want to install emulators on my Xbox 360>according to the emulation wiki, most of them aren't very good>however, the wiki says that PCSXr360 is highly accurateI don't understand. Is this a mistake? Even the NES emulator has a "mid" score.
>>12165215I wonder what the ramifications of this will be for future emulation, I think it'll only become harder to emulate consoles
>>12164027>Playing on emulators is superior to the original hardware in 98% of casestell me how an emulator is better than an origoinal star wars arcade cabiner, or outrun, or spy hunter, or super hang on or pole position, or battlezone, or lords of midnight with a keyboard overlay, or atime crisis on a PS1 light gun, or an operation wolf cabinet or any PS1/PS2/Xbox game with the original controlers etc etc etc and I can keep going longer than this post allows words. You missed out, we get it, suck it up and enjoy what you do and shut the fuck up with your nonsense.|What's fucking hilarious is all the tards who missed out becaus ethey sat with emulators seething at people who were 'hoarding worthless junk'. Not so fucking worthless now hey?
>>12165220There won't be future consoles they will be terminals for subsciptions to entirely server based games. You won't be able to emulate them because most of the code will never run on the terminal.
>>12165221You know you can use any controller on the PC right
>>12164043Wow look at that no answers :^)
>>12164254Why are you so concerned with heat generated are you made of ice? Are you an ICE MAN
>>12164027Real hardware owner here.Emulation is now the bes way to enjoy any relevant retro console!The last relevant console being gatekept by average emulation quality was the PS2 (PCSX2). Not anymore!In the last 5 years the progress done on the PS2 emulator was monumental.Today, the original PS2 hardware are 100% unnecessary and below on any enjoyment and gameplay experience metric, unless you want to play Driver 3.
>>12165232You know at that point it's just easier and better to buy the old console with the controllers and play it right? If you are into retro games and actually intersted in them.They are mostly still very cheap and the only person you are screwing by not getting one while they are is yourself in the end of the day. You know I remember coming to tjis board years ago and listening to gimps like you tell me how they did not want 'old plastic crap' mised in with people who actually were into these things and how 'emmulation is da best' and know all the people who went and got stuff for very cheap or free are laughing and there you are now with nothing but an SSD. It is still nnot to late to get stuff like PS1s, PS2s (your best bet for maximum value Fat ) or several others. I've seen the stuff I love and used get and repair for nothing become very expensive. Be a fool and buy a controller and adaptor and fuck around with config files instead of just buying a console with conntrolelrs and games at an estate auction. Like I say the only person you are hurting is yourself because there are a billion people into games now and hundreds of millions of them will buy what's available up while you sit staring and a folder of roms wonderinng how you missed out so hard on owning the real thing and that applies equally to seveth gen and other hardware. Look at what's cheap and fun and you can get and enjoy and do so. The loger you fuck around in the emulationn dead end and the more left out and left behind you get. Right now you are staring at perople witha Vetrex or whatever and wishing, in ten years you will be staring and people who bought stuff now for peanuts and wondering how the fuck you were so dumb not getting it so you could enjoy it and spent your money on shit to connnect controlers to a PC with instead. You'll never get all the peripherals like old lightguns, wheels, dance mats, arcade sticks, gamepads, pedals, fishing reels etc etc working well.
>>12165317Be a retard, no one cares just don;t fool yourself into thinking you are being smart in any way. You;re just locking youself into a second rate experience and having to fiuck around with your OS and meh quality software forever that does not even match the experience when it works perfectly. Emulation may be all you can do because you are broke or live in a single room or whatever but for fuck sake don't enourage other people into the cave of dumb because you are deluded>>12165354
>>12165367>Fool around on your OS and meh quality softwareworks on my machine i just plug in a controller and pick a game from my fullset and play
The amount of times I get asked to repair modded crap as well that dies or is fucked by some bug in the mod is unreal.
>>12165376yeah whatever. See that boat? you are missing it AGAIN.
>>12165382Im gaming and youre complaining
>>12165376Sit there while the stuff you love becomes unobrainium. There wre only so many physcial media systems that work offlinne made and the demand for them is never going to go away now. ESPECIALLY sinnce you are now in digital only always on subsciption hell. I can't imagine the pain of being a lover of retro arcade, console and 8 bit systems and being stuck with a bunch of warez tier crap in a folder and a PC made with overpriced components that won't be worth a penny in 8 years as an alternative and will inevitably become a configuration nightmare but you make bad decisions you wind up with bad consequences.
>>12165385I play games on all my shit and you;re whining because you fucked up. You may even remember me visiting this board years ago and saying get this shit while its free/cheap ad what did you do? Pointificate about your hellcape of malware ridden torrents and garnage second rate experience. Fuck if you are poor or stuck for space, I get it but actually encouraging others to join your self imposed dungeon is poision. Let's take Dosbox as an example of your beloved emmulation, no shit does 'not just run'. No lightguns etc etc etc donlt 'just work', no booting up a mame rom of star wars is not the same as the cabinet withy the controll yoke. Do your thinng if that's all you have but don;t pimp it at others who have the monney or space for better options and get them to join you in the boat missed club.
>>12165367Does that first-rate experience involve consoles that just stop reading discs (DDE on Xbox), doesn't work at all (RRoD), or just can't read cartridges anymore (NES)?
>>12165367>You;re just locking youself into a second rate experienceIt's safe to say that this is the description of original hardware experience >having to fiuck around with your OS and meh quality software forever It's not that complicated If you are not tech lliterate.Anyway, there are guides explaining everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGeLqcwAjwsIn less than 30min you will know everything necessary about the per game configuration settings (when needed).Other emulators are pretty much straightforward, especially with retroarch.
The only game I have had trouble emulating is Crimson Skies for the Xbox. For some reason that game slows down so much.
>>12164043what a retarded post
>>12164043Doesn't need to acquire the original hardware.
>>12165354
>>12164985>you can't emulate using a gamepad because... you just can't, okay?
>>12164027Emulator? I hardly know 'er!
>>12165398>You may even remember me visiting this board years agonobody knows who the fuck you are retard lol>Pointificate about your hellcape of malware ridden torrents and garnage second rate experience.who the fuck torrents roms lmaoalso if you get malware youre retarded>Let's take Dosbox as an example of your beloved emmulation, no shit does 'not just run'.it does if you use dosbox pure, even if you don't and had to use the dos commands to start the game you have to that on a real dos machine too so idk what your point is lol>no booting up a mame rom of star wars is not the same as the cabinet withy the controll yokeI somehow doubt you're shilling out all the money to buy real arcade machines of everything you want to play but alright bud. You can also buy some type of usb controller to replicate a lot of that stuff anyway if you really wanted.This is one of the funniest and leadt coherent posts I've ever read on here. Thanks for the laugh, anon.
>try out saturn emulation>fail to set up my controller properly (X and Y are flipped for no reason despite following their "cheat sheet") thanks to retroarch's absolutely criminally dogshit input handling, can't be bothered fixing it>half the enemy sprites randomly glitch out with beetle because it's a dogshit emulator>restoring a save state occasionally has a fun bug where you get max level white noise after a couple of seconds that drowns out anything else in the game, and that bug will always happen if you load that stateAs much as I like being able to fast forward, emulation is fucking garbage a good percentage of the time.It took 20+ years for PS1 emulation to be even slightly acceptable, Saturn is still awful, Xbox is still awful, RA is still fucking awful. I haven't tried N64 in a long time, but I bet that's still awful too.
>>12167282Xbox emulation isn't great, though fortunately many of its games can be found on PS2. Tons of other consoles work well, including N64
>>12167282If youre getting graphical glitches you're probably playing in an HD resolution(or just using an outdated emulator). Resolution enhancements are still an aspect of emulation that is buggy and I think why people think it's bad still, lots of stuff tends to break at anything higher than native res. Playing at native res or using the software renderer when available is going to be your best bet with any emulator period. Idk the last time I saw graphical errors of any kind at native res and honestly it looks better that way too, get a CRT filter going too, retro looks gross in HD.Saturn emulation has been solved for a fucking while, I use Beetle Saturn with the software renderer in retroarch and haven't encountered a single issue. N64 on Ares is also really good for 99% of games. idk what the fuck you're talking about with PS1. Xbox emulation is pretty new so I think its fine that its not perfect yet, a lot of games actually do work just fine at the moment and it gets weekly updates with real tangible improvements so it's definitely getting there.Idk man it sounds like you just don't really know what you're doing.
The entire PSP library is dogshit on original hardware or even the Vita. PPSSPP is the only way to play 99% of games, so many games have a 60 fps cheat and a right stick mapping cheat and the upscaled resolution is night and day. I just beat the story mode in Phantasy Star Portable 2 with 60fps + right stick + 1080p on my phone with a fcking phone controller and it was still night and day better than playing on original hardware
>>12165354within the time it took you to write that post you could have downloaded a ps2 game, checked the pcsx2 wiki for that title to see if there are any specific settings that need to be changed, and then loaded the game up and started playing
>>12167282> retroroachHave you considered using a proper emulator and not that abomination.
>>12167325No, I'm getting graphical glitches because beetle is shit, I'm playing at native resolution and enemy sprites in Baroque are randomly corrupted.PS1 was dogshit for 20+ years, ePSXe was never even worth using. Only with newer emulators can you play very basic stuff like net yaroze. >>12167415I like the CRT shaders, and I'm too lazy to get them working for a dozen other emulators.
>>12167418> I like the CRT shadersHeresy begets more heresy.
>>12164158>less input lag than real hardwareWrong. Most emus actually do have less, but PCSX2 has more than original hardware even with proper settingsAlso PCSX2 is an inaccurate piece of shit, it can't even render text boxes properly in one of the most popular PS2 games (God of War) on its most accurate software mode. It's just hacky bullshit played by turd worlders with no standards who don't care about artifacts, broken effect, fucked sound, input lag, etc
>>12167330>zoomer twitter picture>retarded zoomer opinion >whining about le clunky old games>muh phoneFuck off to tiktok retard
>>12167442Oh shit, the text boxes look different in God of War? That's critical
>>12167418The beetle PSX core has been abandoned and is like 10 years old, use the swanstation core instead. Looks like I was right in thinking you didn't know what you were doing.
>>12167453They look fine in software rendering mode. Dont blame the emulator when shit looks wrong when you crank the resolution of game from 2004 up to 8k
>>12167498Beetle is mednafen, which is most definitely not abandoned 10 years (or even close) and has less compatibility issues than Duckstation
>>12167503No, it's actually the opposite. They look wrong in software mode, and you are required to play at 8x res to try to cover up the problem that is blatantly obvious the closer you are to native res.As I said... hacky bullshit for turd worlders.
>>12167505The retroarch core specifically is that old and has been abandoned. You genuinely have no clue what youre talking about.
>>12167507Even the retroarch core is not even close to 10 years old, it wasn't even added to retroarch 10 years ago you fucking retard.It's so old yet you can't even name inaccuracies it has compared to latest build
>>12167513Just for shits and giggles I loaded up your gay baroque game on both beetle psx and beetle saturn because youre so retarded that I have no idea what you're talking about right now and it works just fine on both, no sprite corruption on anything. You are a retard and this is user error. Change your settings to be more console accurate and turn off your faggy enhancements.
>>12167525I'm clearly not the same poster you moron. I was just calling out blatant bullshit misinformation
>>12167498Are you fucking retarded? I said Saturn.>>12167525Play for a few levels, idiot. Sprite corruption on Saturn is random, it doesn't happen every floor.
>>12167537Its genuinely not misinformation, Beetle PSX in Retroarch is old as shit. Disc swapping doesn't even fucking work anymore unless you do some fuckery with .m3u files because Retroarch changed how it worked years ago and it hasn't been updated since. I don't give a fuck if its not actually 10 years old, its at least 5, my point is its outdated and theres a better more up to date core that is even more compatible and not old as dirt. Please just do your research man lol.
>>12167540I did. It worked for me. User error.
>>12164027100% of cases. Also don't care what anyone says filters do make the games look better. Never understood why someone would brag about their sli voodoo 2 setup whilst at the same time complaining about emulators improving a consoles gfx? It's the exact same principle at work.
>>12164291you got lucky, i think anon was thinking of soldering on boards which is extremely difficult for most beginners.
>>12164027im not paying for NSO sorry, back to /v/
>>12168047where does it mention NSO? retard
>>12168093it's a false flag thread designed to bring out switchies to talk about how epic and based NSO is, not falling for it sorry, not paying for emulation ever.
>>12164027I like using orginal hardware and machines. Each to their own.
>>12167330>The entire PSP library is dogshit on original hardwareNot retro. I don't agree for good reasons but am sticking with board rules on this because they are.
>>12167251>buy real arcade machines of everything you want to playcope, they were considered junk 30 years ago and were stuck sitting in the basement of half the bars on earth
>>12168130>I don't agree for good reasonsbut what are those reasons? I would like to hear why psp games are better on original hardware versus emulating it on a chinkshit handheld like the odin 2 mini. no need to worry about if its retro people talk about the psp all the time in thread.
>>12169528If you know what you like, then his reason don't matter
>>12164320but that's an absolute...
>>12167282>It took 20+ years for PS1 emulation to be even slightly acceptableBitch please. I was using ePSXe back in 2006 and it was more than acceptable.
>>12167498>The beetle PSX core has been abandoned and is like 10 years oldSource?
>>12170062it's notthere just isn't much activity the last two years since the last time mednafen updated anything PSX related was two years ago: https://mednafen.github.io/documentation/ChangeLog.txt
>>12170060That's because you're retarded. PS1 emulation was awful back then, you just didn't have any standards.
>>12170083Cool.>>12170120>PS1 emulation was awful back thenHow? I emulated N64 back then too, and THAT was fucking awful. PS1 emulation was a million times better.
in 98% of cases people use the emulator with an inferior flat screen display that will look wrong, or worse they use filters included with the emulator which ruins the pixel artso that's wrong
