Jesus Christ, poor Dreamcast!
>>12165391>old console is worse than new console Wow...
>>12165391While GT3 does look better than that budged Dreamcast title it's not that far behind. GT3 even looks better than GT4 lol
>>12165401cope
>>12165401In fairness they were very close in time in OPs case I be happy to own both, cos I like old systems and games but I don;t have a dremacast and now they are rare at house clearances probably never will. Fair diue sto those who have one
>>12165391GT3 still looks great. Polyphony Digital was really dedicated. They always max the hardware.Some DC games look really good like Shenmue, SoulCalibur and DoA2.
>With larger VRAM and tiled rendering, the DC can render a larger framebuffer at higher native resolution (with an on-chip Z-buffer), and with texture compression, it can compress around 20–60 MB of texture data in its VRAM. Because the PS2 has only 4 MB VRAM, it relies on the main RAM to store textures. While the PS2's CPU–GPU transmission bus for transferring polygons and textures is 50% faster than the Dreamcast's CPU–GPU transmission bus, the DC has textures loaded directly to VRAM (freeing up the CPU–GPU transmission bus for polygons) and texture compression gives it higher effective texture bandwidth. Dreamcast games were effectively using 20–30 MB of texture data (compressed to around 5–6 MB), while PS2 games up until 2003 peaked at 5.5 MB of texture data (average 1.5 MB).Every single DC to PS2 port has significantly downgraded image and texture quality
>>12165435>take gpt slop>make wild claimthis board is a joke board for retards.
>>12165569You can easily verify this for yourself with emulators
>>12165391Shartcast rightfully took its place among the shovelware and amazingly abysmal "consoles" of the late Sega era. What started with Shiturn, ended with Shartcast. Rightfully.
>>12165391get out of my fucking way
12165579Mental illness.
>>12165401Topics like this are necessary because Dreamcast fanboys believe their console is somehow powerful.>>12165435>Every single DC to PS2 port has significantly downgraded image and texture qualityThis only happened because the developers didn't care or didn't have time to rewrite all the game's code (to take advantage or a better as faster hardware) or didn't have enough knowledge about the PS2 hardware... maybe a combination of all this.Same thing happened on the Gamecube.
>>12165643It was powerful in 1998
>>12165572You can't "verify" anything with an emulator>>12165643Now post a PS2 / DC Crazy Taxi comparison. PS2 is a 480i interlacing simulator
>>12165660GC is also 480i, dumby
>>12165670Crazy Taxi on GCN can be forced into 480p with Swiss.
>>12165643To be fair, the CT conversions weren't made inhouse, an Acclaim studio made them and it shows (same with 18 Wheeler)
>>12165643>This only happened because the developers didn't care or didn't have time to rewrite all the game's code (to take advantage or a better as faster hardware) or didn't have enough knowledge about the PS2 hardware... maybe a combination of all this.Even ports released late into the PS2's life, like TriggerHeart Exelica, look worse.>>12165660>You can't "verify" anything with an emulatorEmulation doesn't affect texture resolution.F355 Challenge and Gundam: Federation vs Zeon are good examples of games that look obviously worse in this aspect on PS2. Even the sequels to Gundam that were developed primarily for PS2-based arcade hardware retain worse texture quality.But feel free to try and find a PS2 version of a DC game that actually looks sharper. Although I doubt you will be able to.
TXR is so much better than both of those boring trash games
>>12165702>F355 ChallengeSame as >>12165680, Acclaim kind of half-assed their ports. Then again, most Sega multiplatform stuff of that generation looked or ran worse on PS2.
>>12165406>GT3 even looks better than GT4 lolI thought GT4 looked like shader slop in comparison. It didn't add a whole lot, so I still put more time into 3.
>>12165702Nobody cares about ports.The strengths of a console's hardware are measured based on the games developed exclusively for it.Compare Summoner, a multiplatform RPG from the early 2000s, with Final Fantasy XII. The differences are night and day.Summoner is definitely a game that would run perfectly on the Dreamcast. It has that distinct look and style of a late 90s game (a generation behind), while FFXII is unimaginable on a 1998 hardware.
>>12165391>>12165401Sega GT has overall smoother graphix in the vid though? just lost on car details. the skybox in Sega GT looks ricer too.
>>12165391Sega was on the way out and you can see it right there on screen.
>>12165409I wish third-word countries would ban their citizens from using the open internet.
>>12165643>480p vs one bob-deinterlaced 480i fieldkys
>>12165614Just checkedThe super fake and incoherent light reflections are depressing to look at. They really tried their best.The car's plasticky appearance also shows how dated the Dreamcast shading capabilities already was.
>>12165802Not a problem on CRT TVs
>>12165838Are the zoomers in the room with us right now?
>>12165814hmm gran turismo 3 looks pretty bland in comparison to driveclub, are you sure it's a good game?
>>12165773>Summoner is definitely a game that would run perfectly on the Dreamcast. You could say the same about the PS2. Because it runs at like 15 fps on PS2.
>>12165643The bright, soulful Dream Colors are tarnished by GCs disgusting green texture compression.
>>12165927The subject here is how dated the dreamcast hardware was just 2 years after its releaseblame sega engineers.>>12165937the webm is showing a stable framerate
>>12165949Ps2 looked dated compared to Xbox
So, was dreamcast only good for the ports of capcom fighters? Tourneyfags are always bitching about MvC2 on PS2 while praising the dreamcast port.
>>12165814the vibes are immaculate. not another racer comes close, and its really fun and still looks great. go to tokyo at night and walk the streets or ride along a freeway. youll finally understand.
>>12165954you mean this shit?
>>12165949Obviously, as that is clearly a webm of Final Fantasy XII.
Anyone here with hardware knowledge, would you say the Dreamcast's potential was already reached early on or was it capable of more than what we saw during its short run? For example, the PS2 had a complex architecture and later high budget PS2 games like Shadow of the Colossus pushed the system to its limits beyond what was seen during its early years. Dreamcast had quite a few cross gen ports with PS1/N64, and it seems like outside of Shenmue the system didn't have many high budget exclusives nor did it live long enough to share many multiplatform titles with PS2. Things like lighting/shading and particle effects seemed far behind PS2, Dreamcast had very colorful games, but its games look distinctly more flat compared to the other 6th gen consoles.
Oh no this 25 year old game running on slightly more powerful hardware looks slightly better. This is definitely worth shitposting over.
This thread is a circus of retardism, a bunch of morons warring stupid wars.
>>12165960The new one is so fucking good too, lacks in content compared to TXR3 but it's better than ITC on the 360. Hope they make a new Kaido battle next.
>>12166005SoC does some insane stuff, even for modern hardware standards
>>12165927>>12165401The Dreamcast and the PS2 literally came out barely a year apart (November 1998 - March 2000), shorter than the span between the DC and the N64, or the N64 to the PSX.
>>12166005>screenshotdamn... this is ugly.
>>12166482>The best ps2 can do is a fart cloudROFL
>>12167387>>ROFL>t. zoomer cope
>>12167395>zoomer>knowing "ROFL"pick one
>>12167404this is how you prove you're not a zoomer?really?
>>12167382Between the guy not knowing what FF12 looks like, and this retard posting PC screenshots, it really does seem this entire board is people posting furiously about things they know nothing about.
Sega GT definitely should have looked better but it is just trying to be a quick and dirty arcade experience and it looks pretty in-line with games like it of the era. I think a fairer comparison would have been Metropolis Street Racer.
Dreamcast is a 5th gen console, along with the Saturn.
>>12165435> While the PS2's CPU–GPU transmission bus for transferring polygons and textures is 50% faster than the Dreamcast's CPU–GPU transmission bus... it's more like 10 times as the dreamcast had about a gigabyte and a half of overall bandwidth per second whereas the ps2's vram had something like 12 GBs for textures and 38GBs for the frame buffer
>>12165401/thread
>>12165391Completely different games?
