Why was Steam hated back in the day?
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>>12171535It wasn’t? Still better than using gamespy or Games for Windows Live.
>>12171535STEAM is software, not video games.
>>12171552No, Steam is a PLATFORM. More specifically, a platform LAUNCHED in 2003, which is 2 years AFTER 2001.>>11702620>Retro gaming means platforms launched in 2001 and earlier
>>12171552Ok, so let's ban CRT threads. They're not video games.
>>12171535>mandatory online drm check to be able to play the game>mandatory software installation to be able to launch the gamefuck valvefuck their retarded half life tech demosfuck counter strikefuck dotafuck team fortress
>steam's launch broke alot of mods. frontline force and wizard wars never recovered>cs 1.6 and retail dod were two steps forward two steps back>slow as shit with forced updates when 100kbps adsl was the norm >offline mode took a decade to get working
>>12171535>>12171547one form of cancer is better than others?
>>12171640handheld general is not retro it's alibaba shills
It was forced on us to continue playing CS 1.6 and didn't work properly for a while. I remember the client kept crashing and stalling when trying to download an update or whatever and it slowed the PC down a lot having it run in the background while playing. I still refuse to use Steam to this day.
>>12171535People were smarter.
>>12171535I never liked CS but I remember my friend hating it. I mean, you wanna play CS on your shitty PC which has something like 256 MB or maybe 128 MB of ram and you need to install this completely useless thing that's taking what? Over 30MB or 40MB of ram I think? On top of some weird other game called Half Life, just to be able to play CS? Slowing down your PC and taking disk space for no benefit? It's not like you're gonna use it as a store either, everyone knows you shouldn't put your credit card info online, it's dangerous. Buying things online is a fad anyway.
>>12171535Everybody was used to buying physical games, installing them and going from there on your own. No accounts, no forced updates, no launchers idling in the task bar.We all knew why Valve liked the idea but everyone else was wondering what the benefits are for us the consumer because right now (2004) this shit is a downgrade. Most people ignored it but then they made HL2 launch Steam only and nobody on PC was missing that game.
>>12171693kek
>>12171709>Most people ignored itif you entered your phyical media cd keys for halflife you got the stuff online and cs etc etc, I did that and for years that was the only thing I had on it and I never used it. I hate them for the useless DVD with a single steam key crap, still occasionally get burnt by it when it's mixed in in some finds as charity stores, that whole era has no used phyical media because of their evil invasive shite, when gabe goes that place will start fucking people over all the corporate online stores and digitally liscenced garbage are the biggest scam of the era. I still have movies trapped on their shit on systems that had video streaming support dropped, never trust those serices again, if it does not run on ohysical media with no internet connection it's thrash interstingly the move no online only parallels a collapse in quality across movies, literature, music and games as well
>>12171620I'm all for that, honestly. No business existing on /vr/. They belong on /g/.
>>12171726i wish steam went through with the original idea of being a subscription service so pc gaming was dead by now
>>12171729>>12171620they are part of retro gaming tech specifically lightguns and 8 bit RF systems you are both wrong, I have early machines that will only work without major mods on black and white crts with RF, they won't work on colour CRTs, they are a massive part of arcade cab restoration and repair, I don't go in those threads often but they are legit in retro gaming space, you just don't have the knowledge to know why
>>12171731PC gaming was as much a part of retro gaming as any other thing for decades. I don't get that.If you think retro gaming is some shit ringfenced by nintendo and sega cartrdige machines you are fucking lost that crap is 99% reddit millenial hipster shit of the lowest order driven by reseller viral marketing and social media spam.
>>12171745i get to live through consolecuck tourists normalizing kernel level anticheats retard
>>12171747whatever
>>12171747https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g57AvLs7sRchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_n2xLKJFwk
>>12171535>WhyWhat teh fuck?
>>12171535the steam of 2003 was significantly so much worse than the steam of today that it's not even a contest.the only reason why they have a monopoly is that most alternatives are either too specialized (GOG & XBL) or are just as bad NOW as steam was in 2003 (EGS)
>>12171535It was required for a single player game.
>>12171747>consolecuck tourists normalizing kernel level anticheats retardthat was going to happen without console cucks because nobody wants to hire actual server admins/GMs/moderators/etc. to police that shit anymore.
>>12171535For one it was forced on us unnecessarily when CS and other multiplayer games functioned perfectly fine without it
>>12171552Videos games are software, not video games
>>12171535>loaded questionEveryone except the chinese and indians still hates, and has always hated this DRM garbage.
even for multiplayer games>need an accountcompare to all the Quake games where you just...join a server. CS could ban by Steam ID, big whoop. still had aimbots. still had admins who'd ban you for any reason they felt like.why PC gamers ever accepted MORE restriction is beyond me. now they treat this like it's "the good one"? even for retro games?! you can't even just buy the games and Steamless/Goldberg them yourself. you need the client TO GET the games! insane.
>>12172262>why PC gamers ever accepted MORE restriction is beyond me.because pc gaming was in shambles. predatory acquisitions, console ports and being phased out of retail. there was no healthy industry to contrast with valve.
>>12171535>steam used to be this clean and aestheticgod how far we've fallen
>>12172296this is what they took from us
>>12171985ofc battle.net existed (and wasn't very useful as people normally still flocked to custom lobbies), but the burden of hosting servers and a matchmaking game coordinator being placed on publishers for everything came only with MW2 and grew like a cancer from there
>>12171547>gamespyThere were tons of different server browsers available. And a lot of them were a million times better than fucking Steam.My personal favorite was hlla.Remember having choices instead of letting Valve dictate everything?
>>12172312>hllaLLM hallucination
>>12172326I was wondering wtf that was supposed to be.
>>12172329maybe he was thinking of hlsw
>>12171535It killed physical gaming on the personal computers. You could no longer simple install your games without launcher. Now every new games was tied to your steam accont and cd's had zero reselling value.
>>12172304in before some faggot who wasn't even there shows up to claim og steam wasn't plagued with server issues
>>12172326Sorry, zoomie but that's real software. Though technically it's ".hlla" not hlla.This is the best screenshot I could find with image search. It's almost scrubbed from the internet (it was a WON-only server browser, so very obsolete now)
>>12172389>hllanta but Half Life Launcher for AntsI get it now, thx
>>12172262People forget how much of a dominant force consoles became in late 00's. They're the leading platform to all high-budget releases to this day. Steam pulled the market out of the gutter.
>>12171620CRT is part of /g/, indeed, once you realize the majority of autists there think PVMs are the kind of CRT you were supposed to play your kiddie games on as a kid.
>>12172397I did find an archive of the old homepage:https://web.archive.org/web/20040329130348/http://www.hlla.net/according to this: https://web.archive.org/web/20040326134527/http://www.counter-strike.de/filebase/index.php?id=392It was created by someone from the counter-strike.de forum so maybe only old German CS players know about it.
>>12172409consolets will never have bargain bins of crispy and fast viewsonics that just werk
>>12171535It was crap and it's still crap.
>>12172262>why PC gamers ever accepted MORE restriction is beyond me. now they treat this like it's "the good one"?Because it was the "good one" in comparison with pretty much any form of DRM out there. Going from CD Keys being in a separate piece of paper that you could easily lose, to DRM that would limit the amount of installs you could make in a machine, tied to hardware config... Which meant that if you changed your HDD you lost an install, and you had a limit of 3 installs... and when you spent them, you had to phone an office so you'd got more.A kernel level anticheat is bothersome only if you know the concept behind it. Otherwise people don't even notice it's there and therefore they don't care.
>>12172516>o DRM that would limit the amount of installs you could make in a machine, tied to hardware config... Which meant that if you changed your HDD you lost an install, and you had a limit of 3 installs...No such DRM existed before Steam.Steam was what introduced this new type of DRM that phones home to the world.And every pc gamer fucking hated it at the time.It was the new generation of pc gamers lured by WoW and HL2 that welcomed this crap.
>>12171985>consolecuck tourists normalizing kernel level anticheatsVery few games have kernel level anti cheat to this day. Battlefield 6 forcing it made headlines because of its rarity.>that was going to happen without console cucks because nobody wants to hire actual server admins/GMs/moderators/etc. to police that shit anymore.I agree, and PC gaming must be 10x the size or more of what it was in 2003. You can’t police games that have 1mil+ active daily players.
>>12172540They didnt welcome it for nothing. All those steam summer sales, that eventually became a meme, were Gabe's way of getting market share. Sacrificing profits for the sake of market dominance, like Bezos was doing at the time.I forget how the meme went, but it was something like Jesus Gabe or Lord Gabe, with 50-75-90% off sales.It's this kind of sheep that made it possible for him to live on his yacht all year long while they get DRM, surveillance and brainrot.Some savior.
>>12172541Halo, Fortnite, Apex, Valorant/LoL, Warzone, BF6, The Finals and third-party saudi-ran CS2 matchmaking services all have kernel level anticheats and you see normgroids actively demanding them for games that don't. It's only like 13 games but they're the multiplayer games that everyone fucking plays. This is like if CS 1.6, CS:S, Enemy Territory, CoD2 and Urban Terror pulled off the same bullshit in 2005 and you dismissed as just 5 noname games nobody cares about
>>12172563CS2 and Fortnite average millions of active players at any given time of day. You could moderate and police games back in the late 90s and early 2000s, that shit is not feasible anymore.There are pros and cons to kernel level anti cheat but we are being monitored regardless, EAC/Nprotect etc are just actively acknowledging they are monitoring you. Literally nobodies data or machine is “safe” unless you want to only run autistic Linux distros and sacrifice usability for privacy.
>>12172574The millions of players worldwide come from turkroach and jeet shitholes. They could have self-moderated had the internet never been wired to them and they stuck with LAN computer cafes for the rest of eternity.
>half the board is just kids asking retarded questions about times they weren't even alive for
>>12172583I see. May you melt in your stolen desert on the day of judgement. You make the world a worse place to live in.
>>12172591Your christcuck doomsaying isn't gonna make me accept a world technocracy.
>>12172540>No such DRM existed before Steam.Lies. There were cd keys, and they even had this thing where you had to have the games' manual or similar documentation to look for a key word. DRM was the norm when Steam came out. You'd know that if you were alive back then.
>>12172607Well, on the timeline, Starforce and GFWL became utter megaaids after Steam had launched. I feel like NOCD patching, if not outright piracy, was more normalized than steam.dll wrappers of now. Not that you can gut the DRM out of many modern AAA releases.
>>12172584Half of our culture is based on wondering about times we never live
>>12171668Usually. Prostate or pancreatic cancer is way worse than skin cancer.
>>12172607>Lies. There were cd keys, anI said "No such DRM", referring to mentioned DRM schemes that limit installs and the like.I didn't say "No kind of copy protection at all".
>>12172607CD keys have NEVER been called DRM, zoom-zoom.
I remember installing cs right when they decided to force steam --- i was unaware of it. I just wanted to play the game and it happened to be the worst possible time for it
>>12171535because everyone knew that it was going to kill physical media.
i played some CTF PUG on Jedi Outcast the other day. pretty dead game although Jedi Academy is still fairly active.https://serverlist.jkhub.org/yeah the in-game serverlist no longer works but you just...run the game client, connect to server. they CAN'T take it offline, or close your account, or something. maybe some game tried it, but that's just not how PC games worked.fuck adware. players are literally buying the game, for money, just give them the download from a website.
>>12172795I remember being excited because my friend had a whole big collection of Half-Life games he got as a box set and we learned that the CD key from each individual game would redeem the entire collection on Steam. So our whole friend group got every Half-Life-related game by each redeeming a different CD key from the collection. Not to mention how much easier it made connecting for online play, and how we could message and voice chat with each other without needing separate shit like Xfire. I loved Steam from the very beginning and never understood why people hated it.
>>12172795i basically checked out of not-pirating games with Spore. i had no internet for a week, had Spore on disc. installed it, it wouldn't let me play single-player without connecting to their server.that's when i realised the Steam model had won.
>>12172813>without needing separate shit like Xfirethis is a bad thing, though. Discord currently has a monopoly on what-used-to-be-IRC. imagine if you couldn't just run a forum. all message boards on the web had to be subreddits on Reddit. easier though, nice to have it all convenient, in one place!
>>12172815They literally followed the model Steam pioneered.There's a reason all games like Spore were all released AFTER Steam, not before.
>>12172808can't you change to a community master serverhttps://www.jkhub.org/wiki/Master_server
>>12171535I hated it for a few reasons>Now need a constant internet connection to play muh gayms that are already fucking installed on PC and have CD's DVD's of.>hogged a lot of resources>can't just copy game to usb with a crack to play it wherever
>>12172824fucking hell i didn't realise it was THAT simple. Quake engines are so fucking based.but yeah i did just manually connect to a few servers, quick games for nostalgia's sake (i fucking suck now ;_;)imagine this, just even being possible now. all those horror stories of "the game is shut down. there ARE private servers, but they get takedown requests."bitch all servers were "private servers", you pay for the actual server and run the program!
>>12172832https://openspy.net/server-listhttps://master.gonespy.com/
>>12172818>imagine if you couldn't just run a forum. all message boards on the web had to be subreddits on Reddit.That would be great. A massive upgrade from the current situation since at least I can google things and find Reddit posts. Instead, what used to be on forums is split between Reddit and Discord, and good luck finding anything on Discord. You effectively can't just run a forum now since almost no one would join.
>>12171578Is it really when it's for Windows, mac and Linux?
>>12172885maybe a bad example, i just picked a random site. my point is, that kind of restriction is bad. even if it was down to 'anyone can run their blog/CMS, but it HAS to be WordPress only' (and i think WordPress is fine).the bigger issue there is that Google has turned to shit. in different, successive ways. sure you get lucky with a Reddit (or StackExchange) discussion that has the answer. but that reply used to just BE the result. that WAS Google.
>>12171535why is steam accepted now?because you own nothing and youre happy?kys
