>>12380327
It was made pretty much exclusively to cater to the Americans after the poor reception of Wind Waker (in fact the original plan was just to do a direct sequel to Wind Waker), and it very much reflects what American teens wanted in the mid-00s, it's kind of a dated cultural snapshot and 'inauthentic' in that sense and people have a hard time taking it seriously because of that.
Personally I think the game is beautiful and even if it's 'inauthentic' EAD pulled off the whole LOTR style thing masterfully, it's a style I really wish Zelda would revisit but nu-Nintendo seems intent on doing nothing but the same middle of the road half-cartoony artstyle slop for Zelda over and over. I also love how it's pretty much the only 3D game to show a fully living and thriving Hyrule.

>>12380327
There was a huge backlash against anything considered even remotely "edgy" or "dark" starting in about 2009/2010, and it still isn't over.

Zoomers have loosened up a bit and can now ironically enjoy certain games like Shadow the Hedgehog or Devil May Cry, but something like Twilight Princess is beyond them because there's simply no memeable angle to it.

>ugly artstyle
>playing as the wolf isn't fun
>the dungeons are babyshit easy
>three hours of busywork and cutscenes before the first dungeon
it's only redeeming factor is imp pussy

>>12380338
It is uniquely non-genuine. Nintendo trying to be dark and making an ultimately goofy game. It is also at odds with itself being insanely easy.

because this was the gamecube Zelda they should have released in 2001 instead of the horrible cartoon bullshit of wind waker. and then they mixed in stupid wolf. transforming shit instead of just making a normal Zelda game

>>12380343
might be slightly brain damaged but I actually like the intro. it's annoying on repeat playthroughs but that only matters if you are the kind of terminally autistic nintendo fan who plays nothing but the same 3 games over and over again. the game is meant to be enjoyed as a cinematic experience and in that sense it's a worthwhile buildup and helps establish the setting and characters

>>12380348
I always wonder how the GameCube would've done if:
>they released a Twilight Princess-style Zelda in 2002
>they axed both Luigi's Mansion and Sunshine, and instead made sure a true Mario 64 successor was ready for launch day in 01
>they had Dreamcast-level online multiplayer from launch with Melee being the first game to utilize it

Could've beaten the Microshaft Shitbox at the very least.

>>12380347
yea it's funny I think in many ways it's less dark than OoT, definitely less dark than MM, even WW has a more depressing backstory and ending than anything that happens in TP. TP's 'darkness' is all style but little of emotional consequence happens and the game arguably has one of the most optimistic and upbeat 3D Zelda stories.

>>12380356
The Mario game is a fascinating story. they basically got too distracted by making OoT and MM to make a mario 64 sequel, then as it was moved to the gamecube it suffered feature creep and miyamoto wanted to keep dicking around with things like sphere walking, so yamauchi before he retired stepped in to order that they just make a fucking mario game quickly so they had something to sell on the gamecube. they rushed out sunshine as a stopgap and the next real 3d mario wouldn't come until galaxy which was the realization of the original mario 64 sequel concept. galaxy could very well have been done on the gamecube (the e3 2006 demos ran on a gamecube) and it would have kicked ass in 01

>>12380363
It blows my fucking mind that Nintendo couldn't put out more than one Mario game between 1996 and 2001. Crash and Spyro released whole trilogies in that time period, imagine how much bank Nintendo could've made if Mario did the same.

Not like it was like modern-day either, where it genuinely takes 5+ years to make a triple-A Mario-budget 3D collectathon platformer. In the 90s you could churn out a Mario 64 sequel in like 1 or 2 years.

>>12380371
Nintendo was in fucking chaos in the late 90s, I would say they cancelled more than they actually released during that time period.

>>12380360
>TP's 'darkness'
More like gloomy

It's all in the first 6 hours. The idyllic village is raided, kids taken away, Link stripped of his human form and forced to serve Midna, Zelda is a hostage, Hyrule shrouded in darkness, Link & Midna have to gather forbidden dark magic to fight against the darkness.

6 hours later and the Hyrule's light is restored. Zelda has to sacrifice herself, but Link, Midna and the resistance group are saving the world.

>>12380382
My point exactly. The twilight stuff doesn't really feel like anything because it happened last week and you take care of it during the first act of the game. Then the rest of the game is just fun fantasy adventure in a more-or-less thriving kingdom. Pretty much every other 3D Zelda has a darker story in some way. It almost feels comical, like they came up with the twilight stuff just by trying to think of how to make the setting more 'dark', which definitely doesn't help the game's reputation as being inauthentic.
You know what would have actually been a great setting for TP? Make it like that old 'valley of the flood' hoax, a deluded false hero during the Great Flood. People would have eaten that shit up.

>>12380395
I thought it was great as is. Seems like you're stuck with the idea of the supposed darkness and the need to be dark.

>>12380327
I think it's a combination of:
>slow pacing with a story that doesn't pay off
>it doesn't focus on its unique traits enough
>it feels too much like "here's that bloody mature OoT you've been demanding"

>>12380404
No I actually love the game, I just also like seeing things from different perspectives and making weird critical arguments about the things I love. I find other Zelda games 'darker' but TP has one of the most beautiful artstyles and I am very glad that there is a game with its tone and portrayal of the world.

>Why do people hate this game so much nowadays?
They don't, it's a beloved game.

>>12380412
Zoomers, redditors and famiboards-tranny types dislike it at least. But it's a first party nintendo game so obviously it's relative and it's still fucking loved compared to just about anything else.

>>12380408
Oh I see
>TP has one of the most beautiful artstyles and I am very glad that there is a game with its tone and portrayal of the world.
I agree fully.

>>12380395
What I hated about the Twilight stuff personally was the fact we're told all the denizens of Hyrule are reduced to spirits while in the Twilight, but they are not aware of it in the slightest. So for them, the only difference between being and not being in the Twilight is the existence of the Twilight monsters, which they do perceive, but nothing else about their existence seemingly changes. We're supposed to pity them for their situation, but I find it hard to get invested in saving them from the Twilight when they don't even know their supposed plight. Shit, the citizens of Hyrule Castle Town don't even seem to be aware that there's anything's awry in the castle, despite them clearly witnessing that the castle had been invaded in a flashback, only that there's more mundane problems like there being a water shortage. Compare this to OoT. When Ganondorf pulled his coup, damn near everyone talks about it, and in the future, they ALL know what's going on, and that it's terrible for them. It's just such a weird direction they took with TP.

>>12380434
yeah that is why I get the impression they optimized for what sounds and looks dark rather than what actually feels dark. It's very superficial in that sense. all the talk of dark magic, dark vs light, link joining the dark side, the twilight originally being literally monochrome

>>12380340
>There was a huge backlash against anything considered even remotely "edgy" or "dark" starting in about 2009/2010, and it still isn't over.
Why did millennials have to take out their self-embarrassment onto everyone else? They can't just cringe on their own and move on, they had to fucking be performative about it and tell everyone how they actually love fun and bright colors.
>Zoomers have loosened up a bit and can now ironically enjoy certain games like Shadow the Hedgehog or Devil May Cry, but something like Twilight Princess is beyond them because there's simply no memeable angle to it.
I don't think they need one. They joke about Shadow but they also unironically grew up in the aftermath of him which is different from the people who came of age when his game came out. Twilight Princess just is what it is.
Evangelion is memed a lot but people also genuinely enjoy it

>>12380436
There is some suggestively dark shit in there, but it's barely explored at all past the initial mentions. The one that stuck out to me is when you first get to Kakariko Village in the Twilight, and the bomb shop guy appears to suggest that the Twilight monsters turned the other villagers into monsters as well. Even if that particular detail weren't true, the fact is there WERE other villagers, and they died at the hands of the invaders. Maybe there's more I'm not remembering, but I think this might be the only time the game suggests actual casualties (other than the nameless sage that gets killed by Ganondorf on screen, I guess).

>>12380347
>Nintendo trying to be dark
They could do it with SNES era Fire Emblem

>>12380450
They attacked the zora and killed the queen.

>>12380424
I don't know any zoomer that hates it
Maybe if they watch a millennial video essay talking about how actually Nintendo HATED making TP and they AREN'T a manchild for loving WW, but anyone can get their opinions from youtubers

>>12380457
Ah right, I was thinking she died before the game's event for some reason. Still, she appears as a helpful ghost and gets a send-off and everything. The Kakariko villagers, meanwhile, just unceremoniously ate shit, or worse, became monsters. That's a lot graver, I think, and uniquely dark in the game.

>>12380449
>>12380460
This is the crux of it. Millennials have an extreme fucking complex about how they acted as teenagers and feel the need to be in as hardcore opposition to it as possible right down to making political jabs at anyone who actually likes stuff that was made before 2014. Not to mention the performative dick sucking to make up for how WW was disliked at the time of release and how nu-zelda is literally perfect because it's le open world and has a tasteful (watered-down, indecisive) balance of artstyles. They just can't appreciate opinionated soul.

>>12380468
Sure, I just wanted to point out that there were other casualties, with the queen being executed in front of her people and the prince losing his mom.

>>12380478
Kinda wish we had gotten at least a glimpse of that event for added gravity.

>>12380484
You'll have to do with witnessing the aftermath of the whole region and race being fucked and the prince dying beneath Telmas booba

>>12380343
>3 hours
Lmao try like fucking 20. The game doesn't open up until you get the master sword.

The biggest problem is that it just added nothing original of note to the series; its existence is more pointless than any other game given it's mostly a pastiche of things that previous games had done far better, while also being more restrictive.

The way the main quest is uniquely bloated and linear, as they seemingly decided to shove any possible side quest into it as a mandatory event you have to do at a specific point, makes it a dull slog that feels offensively non-Zelda like.

>>12380338
>>12380347
It's Nintendo's fault for making stuff as silly looking as WW, precisely when they could have made an all ages Zelda that appealed to everyone, from young kids, to teens who grew up with them in the 90s, to adults who'd played the NES/Famicon on release and were having families of their own. They peaked hard at the millennium and then pretty much admitted they couldn't match that an had to rely on gimmicks to try to make something fresh.

>>12380338
they wanted to appeal to americans so hard, they shoehorned in a weird wild west motif

I like the visuals of WW because it looks like 60's cartoon, it just shouldn't have been their flagship zelda for the gamecube

>>12380516
TP's unique additions of the wolf and twilight stuff are kind of lame, but as others have said I think its strong point is that it depicts Hyrule at its prime. It shows the elements introduced in OoT in what is IMO their strongest and most quintessential depiction.
As for WW, I think they just badly misread the room. The GameCube as a whole was kind of that, and its first couple years were made for an era of quirky y2k dreamcast Japan mania when the world was rapidly moving on.

>>12380519
I honestly love it. Why is there a native american in a zelda game? It just works. The Kakariko area in TP is incredibly soul and I love to see japs taking interest in deeper aspects of american culture

>>12380506
typical 3D zelda problem and I think this is why they overcorrected to making the games open world. i'm playing through TP right now and you have to basically keep a notepad open to make a list of all the shit you see (eg poe souls) before you can actually do anything about it, same with islands you sail by in WW

>>12380474
I think you're thinking that all millennials were goths and scene girls when that was like 5% of them, maybe the pRedditors were that but it was not a big thing really. one subset of goth kids and metal heads being the dark lords

also a lot of millennials I dont think have changed much compared to other generations from teenage years to 30 somethings adults. not like the hippies into yuppies and other generations

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>>12380327
>Even Nintendo themselves seems to be embarrassed that they made it.
Fucking this. Screw Nintendo for holding this game hostage.

>>12380529
If you want every single heart piece in Hyrule you'll have to wait until you get the tool from the last dungeon, since all equipment is used to reach them.

>>12380542
I just think it's interesting how the majority of 00s nostalgia seems to come from zoomers who barely remember the decade, while millennials who had their formative years during it tend to think of it as being a very dated and embarrassing time. Troll's remorse with millennials is a well known phenomenon too. Of course, all this stuff is massively overrepresented in the kinds of people who sperg about this stuff online, and most millennials are just normal people..

>>12380546
ngl I am pretty convinced the lack of wwhd/tphd rereleases is because Nintendo considers them too dated to be sold in their current marketing style of positioning remasters as brand new games. whereas SS is more aligned in artstyle and tone with current zelda if not gameplay, and also wii NSO isn't coming anytime soon. so WW gets relegated to gamecube nso with TP presumably somewhere in the drip feed pipeline

>>12380327
> Appeal to the West
as if Japan had blue-eyed white boys
> Muh artistic style
Did people see what was selling in Japan at that same time? The 2000s were kind of edgy, or whatever buzzword you guys use

The problem with this game and WW is the stale dungeon design, tedious mini-games, and half-baked mechanics. OOT and especially MM, which were the precursors to this style, did much more with much less, and they also had the excuse of being early titles, trailblazers. The also “edgy” SOTC and Ico made adventure games better than Zelda. You could argue that GOW, which was also inspired by Zelda, made Zelda better. Nintendo needed a shake-up, and it took almost 30 years. The non-retro game sometimes doesn't feel like the classic games, but it was what was needed.

>>12380569
classic 3d zelda is like some sort of sped comfort food. it's objectively kind of lame but for a certain type of person it just fuels the autism like no other.

>>12380542
I think you're thinking you had to be a goth to have been part of the millennial "edge" culture of the time. Tons of fratboy adjacent music and culture was aggressive, edgy, games were trying to be more realistic, you could think goth and emos were gay but still want dark shit. And it's not just reddit shit, this shithole would make fun of "CRAWLING IN MY SKIN" stuff 15 years ago too
And scene kids allowed themselves to be more goofy and happy go lucky, ironically enough
>>12380554
>I just think it's interesting how the majority of 00s nostalgia seems to come from zoomers who barely remember the decade, while millennials who had their formative years during it tend to think of it as being a very dated and embarrassing time.
I shit on millennials a lot, but I think it's probably something normal with every generation.
Growing up, tons of media would mock and feel embarrassed by the 80's, and all of that was by people who grew up or were adults in that period. But people younger than that later had a fascination with the 80's instead.

>>12380585
100%, millennials are infamous for having extreme nostalgia for the 90s which is when they were little kids. People have nostalgia for their early years and embarrassment for their teenage and young adult years

>>12380576
everyone enjoys a good story about the hero's journey, but my theory is that most of us attach ourselves autistically to one in our upbringing.
for some, its link. for mexico, its goku. for others, its star wars. for the most based, it's neo from da fuckin' matrix, babyy

>>12380576
For me it's how 'flavorful' the games feel. Like each game really has a distinct identity, whereas modern zelda feels like an overly sanitized 'mario mandate' type rendition of the series

>>12380554
well the 2000's themselves did mostly suck. we were already going back to the 90s to appreciate the great games we might have missed being younger in the 90s, not fully appreciating or getting exposed to stuff like Smash Bros 64 or Earthbound when they were new. But there was some pretty cool new shit at the time too, FFX, GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, Dead Rising, Left 4 Dead, Oblivion. But not nearly as many classics as the 90s.

The first big Pokemon revival by us Genwunners was when the Mew glitch was discovered around 07 or 08

most of the shit at the time did suck because it was after 9/11. the new music at the time was very gay. I dont remember any great movies made after the Matrix 1

I'm tired of pretending the 00s sucked.

>>12380569
Ico is not a a good game at all, opinion discarded

>>12380609
they kind of did though

The 00's sucked.

>>12380609
>b-but muh 9/11
still somehow managed to have more soul, creativity and joy for life than the 'upbeat' 2010s, much less whatever the fuck we're in now
muh emos? dark on the surface but an upbeat culture underneath. the twilight princess of culture. pretty much all subcultures now are dark underneath because the world has become a genuinely darker place. in the 90s we were wishing for things to get darker and in the 2000s we were roleplaying it. now it really is here and it doesn't feel good.

>>12380619
I agree, 9/11 was absolutely soul and Osama bin Laden was a once in a lifetime visionary that has yet to be beat.

>>12380340
>There was a huge backlash against anything considered even remotely "edgy" or "dark" starting in about 2009/2010, and it still isn't over.
Among tendies maybe. There were plenty of edgy games that were successful in '09 & '10 like
Batman: Arkham Asylum.

>>12380620
as a zoomer, 9/11 being represented mainly through low quality videos and scattered pictures is pretty soul. just wouldn't be the same if it happened today

>>12380624
The archetypical tendie, the meek possibly gay guy who always liked cartoony stuff a bit too much, half heartedly embraced TP because nintendo was finally 'cool' again for a brief moment and then started hating it as soon as they became prominent in culture in the 2010s.

>>12380340
>There was a huge backlash against anything considered even remotely "edgy" or "dark" starting in about 2009/2010, and it still isn't over.
Wait what

>>12380624
>Among tendies maybe
Kinda important because all the stuff we're talking about itt applies tenfold to Nintendo fanboys
They were absolutely the type of people to call everything mildly serious and dark as "edgy" and call you an edgelord for not playing exclusively some shit like Kirby. Look at /vp/(don't) and there's still plenty of people who defend the most patronizing babyshit with "well it's for kids", as if kids games or anime never got violent or dark. It's nintendo products that really love babying its audience, and the audience reflects that back.

>>12380641
Or worse, the kind of guy who goes 'um actually kirby has a very dark and serious storyline with a lot of really disturbing and mature stuff in it'

>>12380629
Gay guys should love TP, TP link is the hottest.

>>12380641
Go to Amazon and you'll see that most of the negative reviews come from parents complaining about violent content in Nintendo games. Nintendo avoids parents more than critics, who give at least a 7/10 to anything they release.

>>12380657
Nintendo does not give a solitary shit about the opinions of spergs on the internet who make up maybe 5% of their customers at most.

>>12380661
Nintendo being so insulated from criticism made their games become stale. Chasing trends over the last decade was what, ironically, saved the company, but you could argue that Metroid Prime was them trying to chase the FPS trend of the time. Unlike TP, which felt more like a natural evolution than MM and OOT. I didn't really feel the “edgy” thing that people are talking about. Especially since the game borrows so much from Mononoke no Hime, which, along with Grave of the Fireflies and Nausicaa, were the most violent Ghibli films (also Zelda inspirations).

>>12380670
'professional' video game critics are weird, it's like the opposite of film critics that hate anything remotely mainstream, video game critics will suck off every AAA (especially from their darling companies like nintendo) and automatically dock points from experimental games just because they don't have AAA scope or appeal.

>>12380670
>but you could argue that Metroid Prime was them trying to chase the FPS trend of the time.
You could try but it would be incredibly silly.

>>12380661
His point is not about internet critics, it's about parents which Nintendo absolutely gives a massive shit about and has since the 80's. All their censorship rules were meant to appeal to parents.

>>12380576
>classic 3D Zelda
>objectively kind of lame

There's something very off about your mindset if you're applying this to the N64 games. Like, I'd understand and agree somewhat if you're talking about post Oracles 3D Zelda that forces you through bunches of dungeons in specific ways, but OoT/MM just came out astonishing, and with a remarkable balance of freedom and meaningful structure and there's hardly anything else really like them.

>>12380698
I'll take the improved gameplay of later titles over that any day.

>>12380726
>I'll take the improved gameplay of later titles
What do you even mean by this? Mechanically they're rock solid and let you use a variety of very different tools in real time and aren't sloppy about this in any way.

Structurally, they're more advanced than what came after. I don't even know what 'objective' things you're trying to imply here.

>>12380729
At its core the difference is that the older games are cinematic and are focused on telling a largely linear story driven by setpieces, with the mechanics being fairly basic and largely serving to move the story along. Classic 3D Zelda is littered with items and mechanics that are used once or twice for their story purpose and then discarded, and all you really use consistently throughout the game is a set of very basic moves, doing simple combat and easy puzzles. New 3D Zelda has a more modern sandbox-style approach where the mechanics are actually meaningful and can be used dynamically in various ways throughout the game to create interesting emergent behavior and solve problems in different ways, with the story being much more open ended and gating based on skill rather than linear progression. The new style is more intellectually interesting but the old style is like comfort food, sometimes you just want a movie-game like that.

But anon, the “new” style started in 2017. Prior to that, the games were based on OOT/MM, and anon meant that those first two games are better than the pre-2017 ones. Mainly because they have better pacing and dungeon design.

>>12380738
>anon meant

it's TP like toilet paper XD

>>12380760
I resisted making this post for hours, thank you for doing it for me

>>12380371
Nintendo basically wrote off the N64 after about 1998, put all their focus into the GameBoy line which is why the GBC and especially the GBA were such grand slam successes.

>>12380736
>cinematic and are focused on telling a largely linear story driven by setpieces
That is very not true of the N64 games, which only have a few major story choke-points, and largely let you explore and solve problems in individual areas fairly independently, while at the same time letting you get new tools from them that still meaningfully add to what you can explore and discover. That's very different from what it became WW and onwards.

>New 3D Zelda has a more modern sandbox-style approach
That would be interesting in principle, but when you have a glider and the ability to free-climb most surfaces, most problems can be solved by doing the same few things over an over and there isn't that much need to get really creative with the use of your powers. They're fine games, but more repetitive than you're implying due to how trivially you can break most things with basic physics tools and endless resources you're given.

>>12380327
it was much more hated when it was new, nowadays the kids who grew up playing it as their introduction to Zelda tend to overrate it.

>>12380789
>but more repetitive than you're implying
Perhaps you just gravitate towards repetitive behavior?

>>12380327
>Nintendo themselves seems to be embarrassed that they made it.

Nintendo embarrassed?

They will sell it to you again soon, goy

>>12380338
I am pretty sure this guy is pulling all this out of his ass

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>>12381378
Not really. We've heard it from Aonuma directly that Twilight Princess exists chiefly because Wind Waker's sales were a flop everywhere and so he did a "cater to the Westerners" approach to keep his job. Mind you, him saying it directly doesn't stop them from making up every excuse in addition to that though-- like how the art team just "couldn't make Toon Link riding a horse look right", or "Japan just wasn't buying video games period".

>>12380327
Would have been good if they got rid of the wolf and alien parts along with the brown and bloom artstyle

>>12380327
My main problem with it it's the muddy graphics. Low-poly modelling is ok but i feel like it sacrificed poly count for some open-ended but ultimately plain looking overworld areas with little to do in them. Plus, some basic enemies like moblins look ugly, just plain ugly compared to their basic but charismatic WW designs, where enemies also reacted more dynamically to link, even if just a little by looking at his direction for example.

This game was medicore when it came out. So fucking boring in the beginning and the wolf form sucks dick. can't believe they were giving this 10/10 back in the day.

>>12381459
I often wonder why more people aren't more vocal about the wolf form. It truly dragged down the experience and it's baffling, considering what they did in MM, even if the transformation where limited in some ways they at least had unique and fun mechanics (goron roll, zora swimming, deku flowers ) what did the wolf add? i know that your reach increases after each fused shadow piece, but that's it.

>>12381474
Because I liked the wolf form. The movement feels good and it's faster. I don't get why you cry about it so much here.

>>12380343
>ugly artstyle
Opinion invalid.

>>12380474
>Millennials
I think you have something else going on ITT. Log off and go get some air.

>>12380519
Nothing wrong with the Wild West.

>>12380638
First I've heard of this.

>>12381474
You'd have to been there when it released. Everyone criticized the Wolf Link parts.

wolf is fine. it got a bad rap because of the twilight sections. I think people bitch too much about those when it's really such a small portion of the game, and if i may be asian for a moment you get quite a refreshing feeling of accomplishment from restoring light to the areas

>>12381531
Especially in the zora region since the place turns from a shithole into the most beautiful areas.

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It is amazing, isn't it? Twilight Princess in its time was seen as an absolute grand slam, the first truly worthy successor to OoT, and now, this >>12380343 is hardly an uncommon view of the game. It's fucking surreal. At one point, TP was treated as if Jesus came back and gave everybody a new book of the gospel, now a lot of people treat it like toilet paper.

>>12381515
> The movement feels good and it's faster.
Yeah, faster than link but still i liked the goron roll better for mobility and then you had epona when you had to go fast. Just a little upgrade on the form would've been nice i guess. Maybe the last fused shadow gave you some kind of ranged attack?

>>12380327
>Why do people hate this game so much nowadays?
Do they?

>Even Nintendo themselves seems to be embarrassed that they made it.
Zelda peaked with the N64 and Wind Waker. If they are embarrassed, then it probably comes with having to appeal to stubborn Western sensibilities that reject everything at every turn. That, or the hardcore Zelda crowd moved on to mature looking things like WoW, Oblivion, or Halo.

>>12381561
I was happy with it. Only thing I would change is a hotkey for faster transformation without having ask Midna.

>>12381571
Wind Waker isn't the peak, it's the start of the rapid decline. It's just an inferior watered down OoT.

>>12381582
wind waker would be so kino if it wasn't rushed. as it stands it's pretty much 70% of a game

>>12381525
The art style itself is amazing. But what about those gay clowns ? it had some wtf design choices for the secondary cast. I mean do any of you like Colin's design? it thought he was dopey looking when the game released. Same with Malo and the baby boss archetype.

>>12381586
Yeah I like the character designs.

>>12381586
Zelda has always had some fucked up character designs, I think TP's artstyle makes them look even more schizophrenic which is kind of awesome. Although Colin looks like a gay little bitch. I like Malo but you associating him with boss baby in my mind has just kinda ruined it

Ah, ZTP
One of the first games I truly got hyped for before it released
Coincidently, upon finally buying and playing it, it also became the last game I ever got hyped for
What a disappointing pile of shit

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>>12381582
I respectfully disagree.

>>12381591
TP really had some memorable character designs, and I wish more games look like it.

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>>12380327
vocal switchfags hate it because they can't play it on their shit handheld.

>>12381656
wii u chads love it because they can play it in 1080p.

>>12381647
Gotta appreciate a unique handcrafted cast of characters that pop out. Even some of the townpeople catch my eye while I'm running through it.

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>>12380327
because it's boring as shit, like windwaker

>>12381645
These designs were really fun. Too bad the game wasn't that good. Overall, I think it's better than WW, which feels more repetitive, and the sailing mechanics were half-baked.

>>12381548
Echo chambers. The game was rereleased on every Nintendo platform. People are buying it every few years. The game is ok.

I personally don't like a few things about the game.

Moblins just pester/harass and occasionally beat up people no one important ever gets killed by them. Link genocides them.

One fish person dies in the whole damn game. She is the least ugly person aside from the Twilight Princess in her Twilight form. Maybe that is supposed to be motivation.

Twilight world is a joke, a very shitty little dungeon. I thought it was going to be a mirror world. But that would have been a big ask because this was already the biggest Zelda game at the time of release.

People are ugly in this game. Way uglier than a Dreamworks movie.

The epic ending battle was more epic than any prior Zelda games, but that isn't saying much.

Everything else is great and better than the Zelda games that proceeded it

it was never bad, it just didn't stand out compared to other Zelda titles

>>12380338
It’s actually just not fun

Because it has bad gameplay

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>>12380343
>>12380406
Definitely all of these are true.

Nobody specifically pointed to it at the time, but when people complained about the "Zelda formula getting stale", this was really the game they were talking about. It suffered from inventory bloat where too many of the items felt redundant, or could only be used in a limited number of specific circumstances, like the spinner, ball n' chain, or dominion rod. They no longer felt like tools you could use to explore or solve puzzles, but instead just keys for their respective puzzles. Even the clawshot felt like it was downgraded because it really only worked on specific targets and couldn't be used to freely explore environments as much as in previous games.

And it cannot be understated how bad of a gimmick the wolf transformation was. It felt more like a handicap than anything else, especially when Majora's mask had already done shapeshifting about a thousand times better. The worst part was, after the slog of the opening, every new region you explore locks you into the wolf form yet again and forces you to go on a pointless macguffin fetch for "tears of light" before you can actually explore the area as Link and progress the game. It's just fucking awful game design.

Also, 5 heart pieces per container? You can really tell they were just desperate to pad this game out for the sake of making it "OoT but BIGGER".

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>>12383204
>And it cannot be understated how bad of a gimmick the wolf transformation was. It felt more like a handicap than anything else
the worst was how they tried to force you to use it for certain puzzles, but it didn't make sense why you couldn't just do it as Link. Like there was one part where you're going up the snow mountain, and to progress you have to bash into a cliff to cause a mini-avalanche so you can climb the snow pile, but you can't use your bombs, and you can't roll into it as human Link. it only works if you charge into it as wolf Link. Why?

Or there were plenty of times where you have to climb cliffs, and they absolutely could have made it something you could do with the clawshot, but instead you need to turn into a wolf and do that stupid jump thing where Midna guides you. Again, why?

And then the wolf has that stupid charge up move where it attacks everything within a radius at once, and you were forced to use that to defeat certain kinds of enemies. Man, too bad Link doesn't famously have a move where he can quickly attack all enemies around him in a circle.

Or those gay poes you had to collect that you could only see and kill as wolf link. Once again, something that OoT did, but just with extra steps added to make it more tedious and shoehorn in the goddamn wolf.

I literally haven't played this game in 20 years and I still vividly remember how stupid this crap felt. Auonoma was too busy huffing his own farts to realize how idiotic this shit was.

>>12383204
>>12383261
>Like there was one part where you're going up the snow mountain, and to progress you have to bash into a cliff to cause a mini-avalanche so you can climb the snow pile, but you can't use your bombs, and you can't roll into it as human Link.
I remember the last time you seethed about failing to notice the cliff.

For those who don't remember, Link can't even run in the snow, so it's funny to imagine this retard stuck there trying to walk around throwing bombs.

>>12383319
>I remember the last time you seethed about failing to notice the cliff.
Yikes. you spend way too much time here. And I thought I was pathetic.

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>>12383334
So you're mad that they made it exactly like OOT?

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>>12380327
>>12380327
>Even Nintendo themselves seems to be embarrassed that they made it.
>the Zelda game that made them bank before Barf of the Wild
Sure thing pal

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>>12383334
>adult fans trash on Wind Waker designs for being too kiddy
>same adults that deride off to Midna's Imp self, which was based on Tetra and Skull Kid.
The hypocrisy within this fanbase is unfathomable.

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Hoping Twilight Princess 2 gets made once Miyamoto and Aonuma retires.

>>12383449
You're getting nothing but xenoblade flavored sheikah alien slop from now on and you WILL like it

>>12381647
What an awesome fucking game

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my ancestors are smiling on me imperial, can you say the same?

>>12383419
That Aonuma made the only character that matters in TP the one with the ugly Toon proportions isn't lost on me

>>12380562
>WW gets relegated to gamecube nso
I think people are overall split between preferring the original or the HD remake.
>positioning remasters as brand new games.
This, it's either WWHD at full price or GC with subscription and maybe they thought nobody could buy the HDs

>>12380609
I think all of us who lived through the 00's know how great it was. Our gay globohomo culture just wants to psyop everyone into thinking the past was bad.

TP was already outdated in 06. Oblivion, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus all did certain things better than TP. It felt like a late N64 title and really put a light on how stale Zelda felt for the 1st time in it's history. This game was the beginning of the end for traditional Zelda unfortunately.

Which is why I'll always hate TP, because Traditional Zelda > Open world slop.

>>12384560
I respect WW more for it's ambitions. On paper it's a worse game than TP, but I appreciate what WW tried to do more than TP as a whole

>>12384586
Twilight Princess was a game made out of obligation at best and contempt at worst. You can tell even without the interviews to confirm it that Aonuma didn't want to be there.

>>12384586
>erased the kokiris and the deku scrubs out of existence, replaced with shit koroks
>collect their shit 15-20 years later
>rito being descendants of the zora ????
>zoras extinct when the whole world is water ????
I like WW in general but I will never forgive it for such transgression.
>>12384606
Despite all that, they created the best partner, still unsurpassed.

>>12384618
All partners are bad and their games improved significantly if they were removed.

>>12381645
>>12381647
After so many years of BotW cookie-cutter style these weird designs are soul-overload.

>>12380327
Idk, I really enjoyed it. I liked the gritty and dark aesthetic, I think it was a good direction in visuals from OoT and MM.
Overall, I thought it was a great game, dungeons and puzzles were fun, characters were cool, story was interesting, music was good, lots of exploration. It's just like OoT but the gimmick is you turn into a wolf instead of time travel.
I never understood all the hate for Twilight Princess, it's basically everything you could expect and want in a 3D Zelda game

>>12384606
Didn't Miyamoto have to step in half way through TP's development? TP is such a shallow game. It's baffling how many steps it took Zelda back. OoT, MM, WW all did things TP fails at.

>>12384687
Honestly that's a good summary of it. TP is peak traditional 3D Zelda, at least peak in excess if not quality (many would argue OoT was the most polished/tastefully designed). Traditional 3D Zelda is controversial and that's why TP is controversial.

>>12384618
I think the justification is that 3d zoras are freshwater but the WW map got filled with saltwater. That being said WW has an odd relationship with water, despite the map being a literal ocean it has essentially no underwater gameplay that was a basic tenet of all other 3D Zeldas, I wonder if it's related to the parts of the game which were cut since we know apparently the traditional Iron Boots were planned for WW.

>>12384680
precisely

>>12384586
ww does open world exploration in a way that tickles my autism just right with the grid and chart system

Because fuck Mario sunshine and Zelda when I can play GTA iii and vice city, dead or alive titties, rpgs on PS2, halo on Xbox, or cooler new ips like kingdom hearts, jak and daxter, or even just shit like dbz or anime games

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I watched a girl stream in a Midna full body paint naked cosplay, she was short and had a fat ass too, it was awesome
I wish I could remember her username or find a video or vod or something of it, I think it was some random whore on chaturbate a long ass time ago

>>12384692
Yeah, basically I think on paper at least, TP is a good follow up after OoT and MM
Like it fits the model of what Zelda games typically are.
Maybe the gimmick wasn't that great of an idea, but I still liked it. Time travel is a lot more fun of a concept though

>>12384705
Upgrading the map was a satisfying bit of progression. I also respect WW for introducing the option to hide the minimap.

TP really highlighted how stale Zelda became. It was shallow, ugly, and easy as piss and it did absolutely nothing to push Zelda forward. It tries to be OoT without understanding why OoT was so good.

>>12386478
I wish one of these games were hard, but I guess Nintendo is casting the widest net possible. This shows Zelda has never been for "true" gamers.

>>12386480
It's Miyamoto's influence, he insists on making every game 'accessible' even if it doesn't fit at all tonally. That being said it is easy enough to make any Zelda game harder through self imposed challenges, and TPHD has hero mode + ganondorf amiibo.

>>12386693
Miyamoto didn't work on those games, and isn't the guy who got killed by octoroks and said he never wanted to make a game like Zelda 1, preferring text adventures...

>>12386693
I think Pokemon is doing the same thing without Miyamoto's influence, and it's way guilty of being piss easy and derivative than almost any other Nintendo IP

>>12386858
tbf pokemon's target audience is basically 4 year olds at this point

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>>12380327
sex with zelda

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>>12380327
> T-Rated
> no hot titties

>>12386480
SS adding hero mode was a game changer, and every zelda would benefit from it. Without heart spawns, all those potions aren't superfluous anymore. I haven't played TP hero mode, but I think even those goob monsters become a welcome "reward" since you get a potion out of them.

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>>12380327
It has the best chu jellies

>>12387516
there's a fat juicy onahole bouncing on wolf link's back

>>12380327
It had dark themes like all medieval and shit but it was mostly awkward and quirky

But… looking at ocarina and MM, those are odd in a lot of senses too

I guess they couldn’t crossover into true medieval horror

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>>12380327
>ugly people
>wolf section suck and serve no purpose
>shadow realm makes no sense and exists to be edgy
>game is too long and bloated
>most people played it on Wii and motion controls suck
>prolonged tutorial section
>bait and switch final boss for no reason
But, it's not a terrible game. I beat it twice and enjoyed it when it was new. I will never return to it, though.

>>12380356
>I always wonder how the GameCube would've done if they released a Twilight Princess-style Zelda in 2002
Same, I always thought Wind Waker should have been the Wii exclusive game. Maybe then it would have proper development time, so as to have fishing in your treasure adventure game.

>>12383204
>And it cannot be understated how bad of a gimmick the wolf transformation was
literally the most versatile transformation in the franchise, and you seethe because you cannot change back at will for a few hours of the game.

>>12384586
vanilla Wind Waker is aids, but the randomizer nearly fixes the entire game

>>12384714
bump for interest

>>12386478
stupid rhetoric pushed by retards, Oot is not that good, you're dumb

>>12387516
see you tards don't even remember the game, the great fairies are topless

>>12387781
>literally the most versatile transformation in the franchise
Because it just takes a bunch of existing things you could do in other games before and makes them all part of the wolf's ability set, as an excuse to have the transformation be used for anything at all. There's no fundamental 'core purpose' or theme for the wolf form, like there is for Goron Link, you just get a hodgepodge of stuff you have to transform to do.

The only exceptions are stupid shit like when Midna decides she can teleport you arbitrarily for no apparent reason.

>>12381409
Honestly, I don't even think WW was conceptualized as a Zelda game. This was the Era of Nintendo sabotaging projects and converting them into mid franchise entries. Star fox and Mario both had this issue so why wouldn't Zelda? What ever WW was in preproduction was just close enough for them to twist into "Zelda".

>>12380327
Every three days I see something about how 'everyone' hates this but it's actually the greatest video game in history. It's seriously starting to get annoying.

>>12387805
It's funny to me that data miners dug into Four Swords and found graphics that showed the game started as related to Marvelous, the top down puzzle solving game Aonuma made prior to his getting put on Zelda

>>12387804
>makes them all part of the wolf's ability set
yeah, retard.

>>12387804
>There's no fundamental 'core purpose' or theme for the wolf form, like there is for Goron Link
uhhhh being a wolf
it can track scents
it can howl
it can leap great distances
it can dig
it can sense other worldly affects
it can talk to other animals
it's fast

why you so retarded.

>>12387845
All of those kinds of things could be done by regular Link in other games. That's in part what I mean by this stuff being a hodgepodge, the game could have done away with Wolf Link and let you just properly defeat Poes without the form, but the game has to come up with whatever excuse to use it.

Goron Link in contrast completely changes how you move around in the world in a much more interesting way; like the spinner, but actually done much better and in a much more freeform way prior to that. You have this heavy, powerful entity that is more cumbersome than Link in general, but which can unleash immense power in ways you have tons of control over, so long as you deal with the weight and momentum. The forms adds a new means of looking at and interacting with the world, as paths, ramps to launch you, walls to bounce and pinball off etc. It's a properly purposeful transformation.

>>12387884
>All of those kinds of things could be done by regular Link in other games
via fucking pausing and swapping items and shit. Wolf Link is the most versatile form in the series.

>>12387889
You're talking to a fanboy who got abused by his mom's bf while playing MM, he has fond memories clouding his judgement

>>12383319
This might come as a surprise to you, but you don't throw things with your legs.

What does OoT do better than TP? Genuinely asking.

>>12388545
>What does OoT do better than TP?
get released 8 years earlier

>>12388545
OoT is the 90s disney movie of nintendo games. People will slobber all over its knob and proclaim it as one of the best pieces of media of all time just because

>>12380356
It still would have lost to the xbox. The Gamecube was never going to be a success with mainstream gamers unless Nintendo fundamentally changed the console and their relationships with third party publishers. And even if they did all that they wouldn't have anywhere near enough money to fight off both Microsoft and Sony.

>>12388697
I think the gc outselling the xbox is feasible considering they were only a few million apart. That being said yeah, it's underrated just how screwed Nintendo was in the 5th and 6th gens, they burned all their bridges with the valuable Japanese third parties and were dominated by Sony in so many areas people don't usually consider like marketing and distribution

>>12388721
Microsoft was willing to throw unlimited money into the furnace to buy marketshare, they considered buying Sega and Rockstar but decided against it. In a hypothetical scenario where Nintendo was more of a threat I would expect both them and Sony to go after exclusivity even more aggressively. Nintendo would have been cucked just like Sega was with the Saturn.

>>12380327
TP is the better GameCube Zelda, but it wouldn't be if WW was actually finished.

>>12387516
The Zora ladies are all naked.

>>12388621
You didn’t answer him

>>12388545
Literally everything. Dungeon design, world building, atmosphere, music, pacing. It’s all better than TP

>>12388545
Nothing, except I think playing songs on the ocarina is a great gimmick, and well executed. Though my childhood nostalgia may blind me on that. I played MM as an adult and I didn't appreciate that feature anymore..

It's hard to separate memories from the real thing.

>>12388545
OoT gives you far more freedom and much more reason to explore its world than TP does. It does an excellent job of inviting and rewarding your curiosity, with a good balance between mandatory and non-mandatory things, that frequently give you interesting, alternate ways of approaching things if you bother to look for them.

I feel like Epona is one of the best ways of illustrating this. In TP, she's given to you, you're expected to ride her for certain setpiece sequences, then once you've gone through the early game she basically becomes obsolete, there's no particular reason to ride her, and later on the game tries to give you the horse reed to incentivize riding her long past the point when this would have been of any use, when you have better means of getting around.

In contrast, despite being such an iconic part of the game, Epona in OoT is not mandatory at all. Everything to do with her is a side quest you go out of your way to do, including learning her song and escaping the ranch with her, and freely riding her is your reward. Furthermoe the game gives you actively good reasons to choose to ride her. You're not generally riding Epona in OoT to travel a significant distance to a new place, instead you generally want to ride her around to re-explore areas you've already been through in new ways, or to take advantage of her speed and use as an arrow platform, which lets you run timed quests faster, or use her to play minigames etc. You can even discover ways of riding her to get to locations that otherwise wouldn't be possible much earlier than normal. OoT offers all these things like this that each let you 'rediscover the world again' when using them.

Like pretty much all the best parts of OoT are massively downgraded in TP. If you don't get this at all, then I assume you're a very non-curious person to not see the difference.

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>>12380327
I started playing this a while back- being a dad has gotten in the way of my ability to play it as much as I'd like but I really dig it. Very atmospheric and gets the gloomy oppressive vibe on point. Controls and gameplay feel really good too.
I will say I feel like the visuals aren't as completely timeless as Wind Waker (which even by cel-shaded standards looks amazing even today) and I do have a real soft spot for the eerie atmosphere OoT has but I feel like it holds up very nicely and I'm super glad I own a copy of it.
Also Midna, who even aside from her loin-stirring qualities is just a really fun character. Certainly I liked her enough I made pic related.

>>12390013
>run timed quests faster
How many timed quests are there

>>12390071
It's the Big Goron Sword quest, multiple times.

>>12390013
Why the fuck didn't they put horse grass outside of hyrule castle?

>>12390087
>multiple times.
How many times

>>12390214
Mushroom
Frog
Eyedrops
iirc at least 3? At least one of them more or less requires Epona unless you know some kind of speedrunning tricks.

>>12384560
>Oblivion, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus all did certain things better than TP.
I can think of many things that TP does better than those 3 games, what a completely pointless statement.

>>12388545
I cannot think of a single thing. Even some of the more impressive stuff, like jumping from the top of the Deku tree to crash through the web, has been done better in TP.

>>12390230
Starcraft Broodwar did certain things better than Twilight Princess.

>>12380343
>>three hours of busywork and cutscenes before the first dungeon
this is its biggest fucking crime
I sometimes feel like going back and giving it another try and then I remember the intro and I move on immediately

>>12380327
Here's a crazy idea, why don't you just learn to think for yourself and form your own opinions, you stupid fucking follower idiot? I have such contempt for human trash like you that needs permission to enjoy a game.

>>12391965
Actually the cutscenes are skippable unlike OoT. You can even complete the first dungeon in 3 hours.

>>12391965
sounds like you don't like Zelda, and you're stuck on your nostalgia for Ocarina of Time

>>12391976
You don't know the dynamic. It's not a real opinion, but a fleshed out OP will get 7 replies and half of them will be retarded anyways so you have to bait if you want to start a discussion

>>12391965
people who complain about TP's intro are soulless minmaxers

Everyone knows TP is where the traditional formula peaked.

My biggest problem with TP is the confused pacing. Everything before the Master Sword is painfully slow and everything after is blisteringly fast. Although I think they did it this way because they intend for the back half of the game to be where you start sidequesting and exploring Hyrule - it affects me as an autist who tries to do all the side content as soon as possible, and presumably also affects people who don't do any side content and just rush through the game.

>>12380338
Yet zoomers all praise that era

>>12393418
In other words: autistic

>Aonuma is responsible for Toon Link and Wolf Link
>Miyamoto hated both
>Aonuma begged him to put Toon Link in WW and Wolf Link in TP
Say what you want about him but Miyamoto always understood Zelda better than Aonuma.

>>12393573
Aonuma was overwhelmed with Phantom Hourglass, Minish Cap and TP development happening at the same time and Miyamoto had to step in and "upend the tea table" The slow twilight shit was Aonuma. Faster pacing was Miyamoto.

>>12393609
I like both.

>>12393609
Miyamoto is still the retard who literally put an even bigger retard who loved AVG adventure games and couldn't play/didn't like NES Mario and Zelda in charge of the fucking series.

>>12393615
I just hated how it was the default art syle for like 5 Zelda games

>>12380609
american culture has been dogshit since the literal 1920s but the 00s were by far the least doghsit

had the lowest crimerates, was the most chill, tech was emerging but not yet completely pornified, etc

>>12393628
Why is the past always romanticized? Message boards used to bitch about the Gamecube being shitty, calling Microsoft "M$" and shitting on the PS2 for making gaming super mainstream. People despised the Wii PS3 360 era. 2000's were considered the worst decade in gaming back then.

>>12393614
schizo theory: TP was initially supposed to be about the flood
there's an Aonuma interview from mid 05 where he says the game takes place in between OoT and WW
tp hyrule map bears similarities to underwater hyrule in WW
early portions of the game may have been developed with this in mind, the intro stuff in Ordon was seen at E3 2005 and looks pretty much the same as it does in the final

>>12393632
Because the 00s are when that particular moron grew up. People remember the idealized version of what was around when they were younger and glaze over all the bad because they didn't have to experience that time period as an adult and realize there was much more going on.

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>>12380327
Naked living onahole with tiny tits and fat hips

>>12393638
this is what everyone thought at first too.

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>>12380327
Never played TP til I was in my 20s. The problem for me is how much of a slog the early-game is. The opening section in Ordon is very boring and very very long. Playing as a wolf sucks hard too and is nowhere near as fun as just being Link. Everything really picks up once you clear the Twilight areas at least, but it's much too little, too late. Last time I tried playing I believe I ended up shutting the game off before the forest temple. OoT mogs.

Bonus nitpick of mine that may or may not be subjective: why are some of the character designs so inconsistent? Like in picrel, the fucker on the right genuinely looks as if he's from another, entirely different game. It works in the more cartoony Zelda games but it really doesn't here. There's also that fucking baby in Kakariko

>>12380356
The real mistake Nintendo made with the Gamecube was leading with the purple model instead of the black one. it really is that simple.

>>12393792
Of all the things you can decide to be autistic about, hating twilight princess must be the dumbest thing to devote yourself in

>>12393792
this artstyle looks like oot and ff10 had sweaty sex

It was always kinda hated and the general consensus towards skyward sword has softened over the years

>>12387805
It was the first zelda game to have little involvement from miyamoto. GameCube era is when a lot of Nintendo old guard had jumped ship or had taken more supervisor roles

Windwaker and Tp follow the ocarina of time formula too much.

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>>12393952
Purple was Nintendo's core brand identity.

>>12394257
Neither other them look anything like the weird attempts at grittiness and bloom this game does. They're both much more stylized than this game.

TP is a greatest hits Zelda. It’s not its own thing.

>TP
>toilet princess
>midna even has a huge hand to wipe her infamously large ass with
a zelda game that's better off flushed

>>12394257
Lol I was confused at first but now I see it

>>12394304
anyone who says this never actually played it. if TP is identical to OOT then all the 2d games are identical to each other

>>12394276
the presence of bloom in your game doesnt mean you arent allowed to have cartoonish characters. TP is not gritty and realistic look at the characters. >>12393792
its hilarious how you can argue against yourself where the game isnt gritty because the characters are cartoonish but the characters shouldnt be cartoonish because the game is gritty. Do you even know what youre saying?

>>12383912
It was two women that made Midna acktually

>>12384560
>Okami
>take TP's wrongs and made it even more obnoxious

>>12394886
The image you posted shows exactly what I mean. The characters are this weird and unnatural blend of cartoonish yet drab, like the devs couldn't decide on a good style.

>>12387792
>Oot is not that good
speaking of stupid rhetorics, you can take your retard ass back to /v/, wildsissy.

>>12388545
Good and plentiful dungeons
No gay mandatory wolf collectathon, can immediately explore the entire world after thr tutorial area
Items that are actually useful beyond one dungeon, even the ice arrows despite being a endgame reward
Everyone doesn't look like some ugly carcature made for gay ironics
Bug hunting instead of bug collecting
Also high replay value
A Ganon fight that isn't horrendous as shit
No satanic prostitute companion that will tempt me

>>12388621
and they're right, TP tried to be a 2000s Tolkien epic movie and it turned out to be dogshit.
The game was so largely uninteresting Miyamoto made concern that Japan wasn't really interested in Zelda anymore.

The same nation that made and went gaga for matoore pop anime stuff like Sword World and Akira

>>12393621
Considering Nintendo decided to stick to funko pops, with the lamest excuse for it, i think we're better off

i remember tapping out once i had to control the wolf

>>12395025
Nothing else looks like it, it's great

>>12393792
The first 3 characters ok, 4th wtf is that? Looks like Dreamworks made a Primus album cover.

I want to know what wind waker 2 was going to be (not phantom hourglass, it was going to be land based with horse riding)

>>12395228
that's an inbred from link's hillbilly village, hence why he looks like that. it's very thoughtful worldbuilding, you see

Other than the slow start I thought it was amazing.
Played the Wii ver

>Played the worse version
i feel sorry for you.
Actually why the fuck did they mirror the wii version?

>>12395634
It was probably what Spirit Tracks heading to.
an all new hyrule adventure that doesn't involve lol ganon and the triforce

However, Aonuma keeps on adding his flavored slop in the Decline era games for some reason. Well too bad, i think every toon/chibi Zelda game are in their own universe

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>>12380327
Might be a hot take around theses parts...
I liked it.

>>12380609
the 2000s were only good till 2006 at best so none of its latter years are worth remembering. the decline already began after 9/11

>>12395916
why are they so obsessed with the downfall timeline nowadays? the whole thing is a retarded arbitrary hypothetical that could be applied to literally any game, it only exists because WW filled the LTTP shaped hole in OoT's ending with something else so they needed to reconcile the 2d games, they should have ghettoed the 2d games in their own timeline instead of ghettoing the classic 3d era stuff

>>12395910
I had fun.
Also probably because most people are righthanded cucks

>>12395036
There's a thread up that asks if anyone would be interested in a remaster of the game alongside the fabled Ura Zelda content, and so far practically no one has engaged with it. You're too stupid to realize you don't know what rhetoric is.

>>12396016
It's a trite, pointless question about the most overdiscussed game in one of the most overdiscussed series, on a board which is supposed to be relatively niche and hardcore. It's no wonder it's hard to get people to take it seriously, doesn't say much about the stature of the actual game.

>>12394873
literally everything in the game is 'member OoT!!!

>>12390565
name a mechanic better than the twisted halls in Ocarina's forest temple. TP has nothing on that level and it came out 8 years later.

>>12390230
oblivion is fucking moronic.

>>12394265
personally this was lame, red would've been better and thankfully came back to it with the switch for the most part

>>12380343
But enough about okami

>>12396352
you had to be there

>>12396016
and now the thread is archived because "everyone knows Ocarina of Time is the greatest Zelda game ever or you're a zoomer" or some bullshit /vr/ and /v/ both believe or some shit.

>>12396621
>oot discussion is dead
So THAT's why OoT schizo is so insanely mad at every other Zelda thread.

>>12380340
>There was a huge backlash against anything considered even remotely "edgy" or "dark" starting in about 2009/2010, and it still isn't over.
Nonsense. I was still playing dark edgy games at that time.

TP looked bad, wasn't really fun to play, and there isn't really anything memorable about the story. The only things I remember liking were the spinning wheel item and the skeleton guy, but I can easily name a bunch more that felt offputting.

>>12396659
>spinner
That and the dominion rod were the biggest wasted potential. Both used like once outside of their respective dungeons.

>>12380327
>Why do people hate this game so much nowadays?
Because Link, he came to town, he became a wolf, what the hell-da

>>12397350
The spinner would have been so much better if they just let you infinitely boost on it.

>>12397391
Yes. For me, thats the dealbreaker with TP, why couldnt they just let you spin around Hyrule using it, ffs.

>>12397350
>like once
They're both used a few times.

What do you get out of lying?

>>12397418
I think this is something common to a lot of EAD's older game design. Arbitrary restrictions that feel like they were introduced just because they would break the refreshing balance of gameplay or because it would make Link's leg look funny or some other neurotic japanese shit like that. Another good example in TP is not letting you transform/warp in front of people because they were too lazy to animate NPC reactions and didn't want to break immersion. People got tired of that design style and they overcorrected to 'do whatever you want lol' with nu-zelda

>>12397425
How schizophrenic are you? Are there CIA agents in the walls right now trying to ruin Twilight Princess' reputation? They're both famously underused items with less than a dozen uses throughout the game and almost no organic use outside of the spots specifically designated for them, and also the game is like 20 years old and for all we know anon hasn't played it in 20 years. Why do you think he's lying?

>>12397432
What do you get out of this?

>>12397469
Bullshit accusations boil my blood

>>12397482
Get help.

>>12387815
Source? Sounds interesting

>>12397490
No, I'm going to continue to browse /vr/ and get mad whenever some 35 year old guy whines about zoomers

>>12397498
http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=16428

>>12397505
Okay.

>>12397432
I thought it was odd how the story forces you to go to each dominion rod statue, it makes it so there is truly almost no optional use for it throughout the game

>>12397549
Every rod puzzle outside of the dungeons is optional.

>>12397552
You still have to go to those locations, so there's not really any feeling of discovery. In any case limiting the rod to just those statues is kind of the problem, a 'real item' would have more organic uses like being able to control enemies with it or something. In previous games the dominion rod's function was literally just a song.

>>12397586
>cry cry cry
Maybe in the next 10 years even you can understand why totk happened

>>12397596
I don't care at all about the underutilized item thing, I just like to hold every viewpoint at once :3

Dungeons are so overrated in this game. You're not navigating a dungeon, you're just solving room after room. It's like if you played BOTW shrines in sequence, but none of the rooms in TP are as good. Keys just keep you on track instead of being secrets to find to push deeper in the dungeon. You have to have some spatial awareness in other Zelda games. There's none of that in TP. All the dungeons in that game are straight forward. You never have more than 1 key at once. You never have to figure out where to go next. Compare that to the Forest Temple in OOT or the Ice palace in ALTTP. TP had the same easy straight forward dungeon design that WW got criticized for.

>>12398579
There is no progression for the dungeons in TP. The first dungeon plays exactly like the last one.

>>12398579
>You have to have some spatial awareness in other Zelda games. There's none of that in TP.
upload your snow temple clear without getting lost in the next hour or you are lying.

>>12398583
the yeti mansion? they literally tell you where to go anon

>>12398589
30 minutes left, dont look now hes checking a lets play on youtube as we speak!

>>12398624
>FUCK why isn't this youtuber talking to the yetis so I can confirm or deny whether that anon is right FUCK FUCK FUCKK