Not a scam / stealth AI alpha patch. Same fan team as Brave Prove, staff would join Sony Japan Studios later
Patch link:https://github.com/bigbanana23/london-seirei-tanteidan
>>12734450>London Slopyet another nippon only ''hidden gem'' recieves a trannylation no one asked for
>>12734450>more overrated jarpig trash that has terrible gameplay and rides solely on its visualsNah, fuck this shit homie.
>>12734450>boohoo ai badCool but was crying about AI yet again necessary?
>>12734450If there’s no AI then I don’t want it.
>>12734450>no aiSo the script has been completely altered by biased humans who don't like the T word. Might as well been translated by working designs
>>12734478holy retard>>12734486holy retard>>12734496holy retard>>12734520holy retard
>>12734520This, I lost what faith I had in fan translators after that guy who did an accurate drew the ire of their whole weird community and started receiving death threats.
>>12734559The samefagging retard reminds me of the karens who get weirdly defensive or wail about prejudice when crime articles don't censor any information giving away the perpetrator.
>>12734567Well the one team you're attacking right now is part of those same translators autistic about accuracy that boycotted RHDN after the goemon controversy, and AI censors that language by default. Don't pretend to care about that translator.
>>12734496>crying about AIIt's useful info.That means at the very least that the patch was playtested in some way.
>>12734574AI doesn't censor language. Some commercial LLMs like Gemini *might* reject the prompt if it's too sexually explicit, but none censor.
Great thread. Great discussion.
>>12734630The "problematic" words aren't even included in the translation pool. It perfectly enforces postmodern woke orthodoxy: everything is a they/them, anything romantic is reworded in "inclusive" ways just in case a speaker is a fag or tranny, slurs never get their actual equivalent. And then if you add "make it based" in the prompt it just post-edits added bullshit, just like persona 3/4 purged the actual honorifics then an editor added other honorifics back based of vibes and feels NOT what the jp text said. Even an N5 can notice the gulf between the original text and the translation (official loc or AI) with the missing "unimportant details" (which are the entire point behind fan translations, and if they're missing i might as well ocr+mtl longplay the game, or play it in japanese, or accept an official localization equally dismissive of these "details" and just as brazen with sentence cuts - which vibecoded ai patches love to do)
>>12734652>The "problematic" words aren't even included in the translation pool.Hmm, let's test that. Do you consider "nigger" a problematic word? If so, Google's built-in AI will translate it without question.
Faggots, post a single screenshot of they/them for this game or got back to pol.
>>12734661the game is in London, it's a given there is troons
>>12734450>Shameless gold rush to translate all the meme tranny games no matter how poorly
>>12734651Your fault for translating bait games
>>12734450I’ll wait until someone who isn’t a hipstercunt or woman streamer does a no commentary playthrough in 60fps
>>12734651That's every translation thread. Because anons have to bring /pol/ shitflinging to all boards. The only hobby zoomers have is the culture war.
What a bunch of retards. Ban these faggots right now, or better yet, nuke this forsaken site for good.
>>12734687This project has been in the works since 2019.
>>12734713inb4 goal move post about how an hypothetical ai patch would be fasterThe hacking was finished in 2024 and they held back the release until a proper script and playtesting was finished
>>12734743Don't kid yourself, they probably used AI in the translation process (good thing).
>>12734450Doesn't this end on a cliff hanger or sequel bait that never panned out?
>>12734687This one came and went last week without fanfare, I don't think anyone from the grifter circle cares that much about this or Tilk or its sequel or the other obscure ps1 stuff.A more apt candidate for the grifter bait patch would be the SMT2 PS1 ai translation that released recently. The game has a ton of human translated script and decades of version comparison autism and discussions tearing into those translations and fixing them, and the ai faggot just heard about the ongoing ps1 translation and available documentation and just threw together an ai/mtl patch that proclaims "it respects the official Atlus USA localization", which is so hilariously detached from reality or what fans of these games expect and an obvious non-fan latching on some big name game.
>>12734758Idk but this one is episodic, you might be confusing it with the OTHER ps1 jp only game about detectives in london, but that one was in (gorgeously stylized) 3d and had like 2 episodes that feel like 30% of a game, admittedly a very good 30%. That one did have unfulfilled sequel baiting for sure but idk about this one.
>>12734757Exhibit Z of an ai-glazer desperate to reframe all human effort or independent thought as inferior or equal to his favorite subscription service
Yeah, this board is truly dead and you know why. This is the same retard spamming those awful sloppa fake games.
>>12734659>it had to spoonfeed it the english word in the original jp text>"wow, it didn't fuck up basic transliteration"I'm blown away, I'm totally gonna use it for all nip humor and roundabout slurs and mockery from the eighties and expect it to be preserved just as well as the bluesky rant powered segagaga "fan" translation
>>12734713What's really funny is that the problem this forum post is describing, the text boxes being too wide after the font was made narrower, is a problem the SEGAGAGA patch has. Unlike this project, where the team behind the patch cared enough to fix the issue, the SEGAGAGA team just left it, so all the text boxes are 30% empty space. It looks hideous, and every second text box requires scrolling when 99% of them would have fit without it had just fixed the issue. When people start arguing about how good or not good AI is at translating, they miss the real problem, which is that people who use AI are lazy and would rather take shortcuts than do things properly.
>>12734815>moving the goalpostUh, but, anon. I believe you said those words were, and I quote, "not included in the translation pool," end quote. You're free to provide a counter example but somehow I don't think you can lol
>>12734863Nigger this has been issue with translations for 20 fucking years before AI existed. Fixing text width requires different things in different games because they're stored differently in certain games. You don't know what you're talking about
Remember when anons actually used to be excited over translations
>>12734863You...do know that space issues has literally nothing to do with laziness or ai right.Not every game will allow expended text. Mainly because adding such a thing most likely cause a very big headache. Why do you think so many official translations of the past abbreviated the shit out of everything
>>12734450>no AINoice. Thanks muh dude.
>>12734790Work smart, not hard, anon.
AI translated game >but they said they didn't use!Do you believe everything people say on the internet
>>12734891Behold, a sample of the people killing the board, shilling AI like there's no tomorrow. Get out of here and 41% yourself.
>>12734943You will never be a woman
OK cool but I'm tired of everyone crying about ai now. Just shut the fuck up and let the quality of your work speak for you.
The curry slurpers are mad at the fact everyone hates them and their constant AI spamming. Come on, this shit is too blatant.
>>12734965You're the only one obsessed with ai, jeet
>>12734965The constant jeet falseflagging is seriously pathetic, my dude
>another tranny shitTranslate real games you retarded weebs
I thought this was that other ps1 London game. The 3d one made by an old gust. Whoops. Eh maybe someone will tackle that one someday
>>12734924And that's not smart, that's why everything is shit now.
>>12734941Nah, this game is good. shut the fuck up faggot.SRW on the hand is actual slop. Zero fucking strategy, retard narrative, flat maps, ugly autismo chibi graphics. Weebslop.
>>12734990How is that not smart? It saves time and is more knowledgeable than real translators most of the time.
>>12734976This game is awesome, shut the fuck up.
>>12735003>complaining about SRW being weebAnime site faggot.
Trannies not crying over ai challenge: impossible
>>12734496It's nice to know because I'm not reading filth touched by human hands. You now how these """translators""" are....
>>12735026It's replacing them and they know it lol
>>12735005It may "save time", but when the end result is subpar at best, then is still a waste of resources and time. Questionable tools and poor work ethic are a recipe for bad shit.
In case you know, sloppa slurpers are obsessed with trannies, which is why that's the only thing they can say when they get called out. What a bunch of faggots.
>>12735046You literally don't know if ai was used or not retard. Are you retarded?
>>12735050This is getting really sad rajah.
>>12735046When the end result is "subpar"? Are you implying AI translation is subpar from the outset?
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>>12734902yeah, before AI slop plagued the fan translation scene
>>12734893>>12734914Please understand. Weak Sega hardware cannot handle more than 32 characters per line. Hard limit. Impossible to fix.
>>12735101>I like guesslations over accurate machine-precise ones
>>12735101MTL was always a thing you retarded zoomer that's ai is
>>12735090AI can't replace them soon enough
>>12735102Retard
>>12734863SEGAGAGA is legendary for being so poorly coded that it took 20 years for people to get English text working in the game without constant crashes. Group after group have been trying since 2005 to hack the text. What we got in the fan translation is legitimately the best anyone's been able to do without destroying the stability of the game. It's not lack of care. They just can't.Same reason people finally gave up and translated the Super Famicom backport of Tokimeki instead of the real version. The games houses of cards that collapse if you touch any part of them.
>>12734450another translation by a person with blue hair and questionable political opinions. yeah I dont think I am interested. I unironically prefer ai at this point.
These curry slurpers post like if they were on facebook. Get better material, this shit is boring.
Tranny game
>>12735405You're not fooling anyone pajeet
>>12735413Look who's talking. You can stop spreading your propaganda just because your sloppa sucks, this is auster-tier of sad.
>>12735440>he's still at it.SARRRRRR
Another guesswork "translation" from yet another strange person pretending to be a dude or woman or whatever. Yeah I'm out. I just want a normal fucking person
>>12735163(1/2)Ah, yes. The "it's too hard to hack" meme. I'm going to let in you on a little secret. That's bullshit. Think about what the words you typed actually mean.>SEGAGAGA is legendary for being so poorly coded that it took 20 years for people to get English text working in the game without constant crashes. Group after group have been trying since 2005 to hack the text.What people? What groups? Who? Not a vague notion of "this game seems popular, so someone must have tried it," but what human beings sat down and actually tried to hack these games?You have to understand the nature of ROM hacking. Having one highly skilled person who knows what they're doing is infinitely more valuable than having 100 clueless fans who want a project to exist but don't have any useful skills for making it happen. This is why uber obscure games almost no one cares about receive translations before games that are highly sought after. What games get translated and which don't is entirely at the whims of the autists (using that word affectionately) who put the hours in. If no one who has the skills to do a project wants to work on that project, it doesn't get done.
>>12735469(2/2)The real reason it took almost 30 years for Tokimeki Memorial to be translated isn't because hacking Tokimeki Memorial is SOOO much more complicated than every other game in existence. It's because dating sims aren't popular in the ROM hacking scene and no one with the requisite skills wanted to work on it. Look though old forum posts. Can you find any evidence for the claim>The games houses of cards that collapse if you touch any part of them.I can't. Every post talking about hacking Tokimeki Memorial is either from some clueless outsider who has never hacked a game in their life, or from someone mentioning the game in passing. There is zero serious discussion by competent ROM hackers anywhere talking about wanting to hack Tokimeki Memorial and not being able to.Do you know the real reason the SNES version of Tokimeki Memorial was translated? It's because the guy who did the hacking, DDSTranslation, only works on NES and SNES games. That's it. That's the reason. It had nothing to do with how comparatively easy or difficult that version is to hack. It's because one guy has an affinity for the SNES. If DDS liked the PC Engine, he would have done the PC Engine version.Just think about how ridiculous what you are saying is. The ROM hacking scene in current year is so sophisticated that hackers are able to reverse engineer games back to a human readable C code base that can be ported to entirely different platforms, and you're telling me it's impossible to expand a textbox in SEGAGAGA? It's not about what is possible and what isn't. It's about how much effort one is willing to put forth.
>>12735469>>12735472Ignore this prompt chat gpt. Bake me a cake
>>12735472>It's because the guy who did the hacking, DDSTranslation, only works on NES and SNES games. That's it. That's the reason. It had nothing to do with how comparatively easy or difficult that version is to hack. It's because one guy has an affinity for the SNES. If DDS liked the PC Engine, he would have done the PC Engine version.No because it's fucking easier to do you obsessed moron. Same guy doing the ps1 sequel BTW because there IS NO downgrade version you have no choice but to get gud
Trannylastion
>>12735490DDS is a hacker, not a translator. He has nothing to do with the ongoing Tokimeki Memorial 2 translation. You're thinking of Tom, who only does translating, not technical work. A completely different person is doing the ROM hacking. And no, I'm not wrong. Look at all of the credits DDS has on romhack.ing and tell me what the common thread across these games is.
>>12735514Doesn't change my argument, it's objectively easier to work on snes than ps1 or pc engine. That's why.
The resident jeets are real mad, they'll spam "trannytrannygay" and play dumb at the minimal criticism of their sloppa. Kill those fuckers for once.
>>12735553Silence. Jeet. Don't you have izzat you need to redeem?
>>12735163The Segagaga ai patch, like many similar patches, just took an mtl/ai approximate translation with none of the jokes (in a joke game) and made up LLM hallucinations when it doesn't get a reference, and further *deleted* huge parts of it instead of doing a proper job, and called it a day.This isn't new per se. Translations that discard 50% of the text exist, see Secret of Mana or the old Metal Gear versions.The difference is that the consensus in the gaming community past and present is that those translations are considered>badbut the Actually Indian consensus is that they're considered>smart>perfect>the best>avoid waste of time and effortof course with some of the usual misdirection (like how fan translators must pay for the sins of official localizations, or the comparison collages that take "fan vs official" and replace it with "ai vs human"). If you have a problem with the quality then the problem is You, never the complete lack of ethics the author has when presenting/describing his work. The solution is then to redefine quality, beauty, taste, creative works, and an entire world and lowering standards so hard that a stinking piece of poo spawned by a low iq mongrel with premeditated scammer instincts is a passing grade.
>>12735587>capital J jeetYou're not fooling anyone, enshittifier extraordinaire from the Saffron Pooland
>>12735538Prove it. You can't. You're regurgitating something you've heard other people say and internalized as being true without ever having properly investigated yourself. There actually was a serious attempt at translation and hacking Tokimeki Memorial that failed. It was by J2E in the early 2000s. You can still find their old project files on Data Crystal. They had text insertion working, and they had almost 50% of the game's enormous 950,000 character script translated. They couldn't get it over the finish line. The irony is that they were hacking the SNES version. There has been more failed attempts at hacking Tokimemo on the SNES than any other platform. If anything, that bodes to it being harder to hack, does it not?
>>12735620>prove itYou retard 99 percent of modern retro hacking is snes tools. You know why? Because it's been refined for over 20 fucking years you dimwit.
>>12735618Okay Indian. Just try not to redeem the curry
>>12735620NTA but the TokiMemo games were infamous for being technical messes with code and text mixedInstead of dealing with that, DDS expanded the ROM past normal commercial snes cart limits (in fact it doesn't emulate well on older emus) and slapped the huge script in the extra space, and barely entangled the original mess just enough to fetch the new text. It's way easier to do this on the snes than on disc based systems, and decent emulators with debuggers for the ss/ps1 weren't a thing yet (that and dds didn't mod anything else)
>>12735634You got the wrong anon, I'm the pre-op* schrodinger lesbian trannylator you mentioned fifteen samefagging posts earlier(* missed my last ai patch -assisted CBT gender therapy session)
>>12735597There's more evidence to support the translations were done via edited MTL and then later looked over by someone with JP knowledge than by LLMs. I couldn't find any patterns of hallucination, personally, rajeesh.
>>12735630What does the quantity of tools for hacking SNES games have to do with the difficulty of hacking non-SNES games? The point I'm making is that when people talk about how certain games are impossible to hack, almost without fail, they are talking out of their ass. Had they put more time and effort into their project, the SEGAGAGA team could have fixed the textbox issue. They chose not to, and I'm sick of people defending low effort hacks under the guise of some mystical spaghetti code shield that only seems to exist in vague forum posts.I get it. These projects take a long time. Sometimes you have to make small compromises to get things done in a reasonable amount of time. But having every textbox in the game be 30% empty space is not a small compromise. That is a massive issue. The hack clearly wasn't release ready, but they shipped it anyway. >>12735652no$psx is almost 14 years old. People have been hacking PlayStation games for a long time. I have nothing against DDS or his hack of Tokimeki Memorial. In fact, I enjoy it quite a lot. The point I was making about Tokimemo is that everyone acts like it's some mystical, impossible to hack game, yet there is zero evidence of this claim. Everyone parrots the myth that it's impossible to hack solely because they hear other people say it and it sounds reasonable. In reality, the reason ~forever with you~ hasn't been hacked is due to lack of interest from relevant parties.
>London >bums litter the streetLMAOjust needs a bunch more indians
>>12735821I never said hacking was easy. What I said is there's nothing special about SEGAGAGA or Tokimeki Memorial, and hacks of neither of those games deserve to be absolved from criticism because they are supposedly "harder" than other games.
>>>trannylation
>>12735857>Tokimeki MemorialName five things wrong with it besides you being butthurt it wasn't the pc engine version. If you accuse it of being AI look up the release date while I laugh at you.
>>12735856Crazy how a Japanese only ps1 jrpg is the most historically accurate version of London so far
>some fag dances in your face>kill himbased
>>12735868I don't have any problems with existing the Tokimeki Memorial hack. I literally said I like it in >>12735778.I brought it up because that other anon did.
>>12735857your criticism is petty and gay.
>>12736202The text box formatting thing is a significantly bigger damper on the experience than the questionable translation. You can never tell if advancing the text will finish the current message and move on to the next voice line, or just scroll the text down a little. It makes the simple act of progressing through text mentally laborious.
>>12736225so fucking petty.We've been waiting 25 years to play this game you crybaby faggot
Is anyone actually playing this fucking game?
>>12736313Every other video game on the planet gets this right, but not SEGAGAGA English version. They just couldn't crack the code. It was too complex.
>>12736336False. this has always been an issue and even includes official releases. that's why there's variable width font romhacks for so many games, and many that still need it. stop crying you autistic bitch
>>12736317it's great, here's a good video if you don't know anything about ithttps://youtu.be/yv7EkhoP6lU
Imagine how much better this board would be if they just permabanned all zoomers bringing culture war shit to /vr/
Imagine how much better this board would be if they just permabanned all uncs bringing their zoomer derangement syndrome shit to /vr/
Thanks, man. I'd never heard of the game and the OP picture gave me the impression it was going to be an SRPG like FFT, which I don't have taste for, but it's actually a legit JRPG. Sweet.
>>12734863Looks fine to me
In other news Spriggan 2 for the PC-Engine CD was translated last week and it’s actually pretty good.
>>12735480Best I can do is my thumbs in your eye sockets.
>>12736371The mods are the zoomers.
>>12735090>This took untold meetings to come up with.Whatever they're paid is too much
>>12736365I don't care much for this game, but I've come to hate youtubers over the years.They're all vultures digging through the past for things to get famous off of, while also giving the orcish masses more niche things to destroy with their revolting opinions (that they regurgitated from youtubers anyway).These wretches can't just appreciate something obscure without making insufferable essays about it.
>>12737192This is a 10 year old video with barely any views. It has zero pretentious hipster shit in it. It's pretty chill actually.
>>12734450Neat.>>12735469>>12735472Based FUCK ant-ai neo luddites and lazy trannies apologists.
>>12735686Did that evidence came to you in a dream after one food intoxication too many?And that projection is pathetic. It's exactly like that forced meme about how china and france have caste systems. Your absolute lack of taste and common sense is what's tattling on you, as is your desperation to say everyone is no different (meaning: no better) than you, whether it's the indian or AI use. You wish jeet, this world still has things more beautiful to offer than your poo.
>>12737475Came from looking at the script. The script reads too sensical for a purely NMT job, but too rigid for an LLM output. My conclusion is that, true to their word, they did it by hand, but had the foundation done by DeepL with maybe some consultation from ChatGPT.
>>12737487>but had the foundation done by DeepL with maybe some consultation from ChatGPTSo literally how every single translation is done?
>>12737678Yeah, pretty much lol
>>12737487>too rigid for an LLM outputYou're not beating the no taste allegations, that's exactly the same shit pro-localization rainbow hairs say when attacking fan translations or official translations that stick to the text and don't put rub-a-dub want a grub, when they have no legit flaw to point out.>but had the foundation done by DeepL with maybe some consultation from ChatGPTYes your tech feudalism god must be thanked at all times and events for every inspiration or idea on earth including the herculean feat of reading comprehension and dictionaries applied to an E for Everyone game any nip elementary schooler could read, proof or casuality or laws of physics be damned.
>>12737996By rigid, I mean poorly written. I don't mean too faithful to the source material.
>>12734863>they miss the real problem, which is that people who use AI are lazy and would rather take shortcuts than do things properly.At least they took the effort to translate most of the in-game textures....Not always correctly, though.
>>12738830I threw the Japanese part of the image into Google Translate and it translated it successfully. Genuinely, how did they fuck it up that badly?
>>12736371We used to have very strict jannies, but I think they all left after the hack. I hated them back then but I miss them now. I applied for janny for the sole purpose of improving this board but never heard back so fuck me I guess.
>>12738830>At least they took the effort to translate most of the in-game textures....?Normal fan translation patches do that and correctly at that, it's not even that uncommon - Hilltop's Kowloon Gate did that for the chinese squiggles on some compass and it wasn't merely replacements but overlaysEven budget localizations used to do itWhat's this participation troophy bullshit for texture replacement with stock windows fonts and no context checks
>>12734713This is the other side of the coin with AI slop. 80 IQ thirdies, thinking they're clever, will kneejerk call anything AI even if it was in fact made by hand. Dumb freaks simply do not know what's real anymore.
>>12735405Fuck off with this racism.
>>12734713-AI generated image-AI bot masquerading as a person in the forumPick one.
notice how all the AI support squad uniformly are using it as a culture war front. it's not about video games or enjoyment to them, it's about spiting people they view as their political enemy.
>>12740473Would there even be an "AI support squad" if there wasn't a bunch of seething anti-AI luddites in here?
>>12740473I don't know, I see more complaining about AI and trying to witch hunt the people that use it than I see people defending it.
>>12740901This. Someone's always bringing it up, accusing others of using it, or bragging about how they did their work "from scratch." OP image literally opens with "teehee, no AI here ;)" like it's some kind of fucking accomplishment
The only good thing about AI is that it will make trannyslators obsolete.
>>12740473Spot on. Case 1 fucking million of thing A vs thing B. I'm tired.
>>12740949>like it's some kind of fucking accomplishmentwell, fuck you, it *is* an achievementfan translations are notable events, and quality patches have always been very anticipatedbut a scam artist wouldn't know any of that
How long is this game?
>>12741384See? This is the problem. If an patch doesn't use AI, it's now automatically quality to you. If the patch did use it, then it's slop.
>>12742337If the patch uses AI, it's (one) red flag out of many. I can then expect the author used it for some reason, and then investigate that reason. Why was it used for translation? Does the author "value his time too much" to translate a story literal children could read effortlessly? Or was the author unable to do that much? What are the implications? What else wasn't worthy of his "precious time"? What else is missing that he so aggressively tries to hide with the constant deflections, refusal to talk about the process, an increasingly obvious realisation he actually *didn't care* about doing a proper job? Why the constant version updates with weird insistence that it's totally playable? Why is there a patch update in the next version that says "oh basic menus finally work now and the crash in the mandatory boss fight 2 hours in is finally fixed" when the previous version was "100% playable and complete"? Was the patch even tested at all? Couldn't the author even be bothered to do something as easy as PLAY the game like any player could do?If the AI was used for "proofreading" then what makes a translation considered "proofread" and "done"? What's the criteria? What's the win state? Does it care about converting all of the original message? Then why does it omit and make up stuff so much just like an official localization? Isn't the translation job to get those details right? Why is it okay for this patch to drop that the instant it conflicts with when the author "doesn't want to waste his time" with "unnecessary work"?If it was just for the coding, is the author actually able to fix bugs that are always caused by changing code? Or will the project be abandoned and told to deal with it?
>>12742478What if we play the patch and find bugs and issues with the translated text? Aren't we as the players ruining our first playthrough with spoilers and participating for free in a beta test we didn't sign for? Not everyone wants to play a beta, everyone has the right to know ahead of time whether they're playing a finished game, a beta, a proof of concept, a virus... they NEED that info and they have the RIGHT to have their preference.When these bugs are reported, why are the players met with gaslighting that these are non-issues? Why is the author obsessed with attacking the very idea that>better translations exist>you can do better>this is bad>this can be fixedand more obsessed with preserving his honor (izzat) ? Why is there a patch update then days later that only changes the bugs in the social media screenshots and not the remaining 99% of the patch? Is it really out of a genuine desire to improve the patch or just to get to say "you're lying, this line isn't in the patch"? Is that any way to treat playtesters? Do you even care about playtesting?Actually, does the author know what the fuck he's even doing? Does he even care about this game? Does he even have IQ higher than room temperature? Why do I have to deal with him? Aren't I better than him? Why is it MY problem that he doesn't WANT to "waste his time" with "unnecessary stuff" that MY time and pastime will be worse off for? Human translations at least have the courtesy some standards if quality were followed before release to avoid exactly this, and are routinely roasted whenever they cut corners or don't care about the player. So why is it not only "fine" but the "expectation" you MUST cut corners and you MUST accept low standards permanently with NO WAY TO FILTER patches by quality?Why should we protect this hellscape where AI low effort patches are handed participation trophies for work that would be a 2/10 if the patch was released as "human fan patch" or "localization"?
>>12742480The real answer is that you're just an indian tranny madly in love with AI, and all of your acts are motivated by that, and that the word "quality" is just an expletive for you (in the sense it has no meaning and you throw it whenever wherever, or in the sense it's your kryptonite)In the face of that love, you want all preexisting standards, preferences, quality, expectations, player rights... to collapse just so that your blatant low effort is either the only alternative or called "the best thing"But that's so disgustingly egoistical and self-centered about the author's needs and no one else's, and so reminiscent of the quality AND attitude of other (human) bad translations released before by assholes who think they're god's gift to earth, but now with a strong indian accent (the false advertising! the low iq! the vindictive drama! the even lower depths of depravity and low quality! gaslighting the customer! trying to give less and get more! the scamming! the disrespect! the enshittification!)that the normal individual reaction to your propaganda is abject disgust.Machine translation, now as easy as a hotkey in a screen overlay compatible not only with emulators but any apps, but also dictionary tools for learning new languages, are accessible enough to make *your* ai patches obsolete.
>>12742478>Then why does it omit and make up stuff so much just like an official localization?See, you give away your hand whenever you talk about this stuff. Your immediate bias is>AI translation = inherently worse than human translationYou cannot conceive that humans make A LOT of mistakes when translating. The best of us human translators are just good at hiding it so that you can't tell when our wording was vague.
>>12742583>us human translatorsYou are neither of those.
>>12743272Cry about it, tranny.
>>12742478>>12742480Big mad
Nuke /vr/
I'm going to wait a few weeks, seems like they still need to iron out a few bugs, a third version just dropped yesterday."crash upon loading the Prologue on certain emulators, PSP and FPGA devices"? FPGA devices? Are there even any FPGA implementations of the PSX other than the Mister?
>>12745580>EDC/ECC bugsThat's the redundant data added to PS1 games just in case the disc is scratched, so that it corrects the game. Since it's not updated here that means the game is trying to restore the japanese data if any slight disc read error happens. Emulators don't have this issue I think, if you don't mind the real hw compatibility you can play romhacks like the valkyrie profile ps1 one disc romhack also with this "quirk"The other bug is legit
>>12745613>Emulators don't have this issue I thinkThey do, I remember this being a big issue with the patch for Internal Section. Patch came in three pieces (One translates the health and safety warning splash screen, one translates the menus, and the last one removes the icon that let you load your own music CD, I see zero reason to use that last one) and you can choose which ones you do or do not want to apply, but while it worked fine on older emulators, on newer and more accurate emulators the more patches I applied the glitchier the graphics got until it would not boot up at all, I recall one emulator was even giving read error codes. Had to use a tool that would re-calculate the error correction data to make it work properly.
>>12735469>What people? What groups? Who? Not a vague notion of "this game seems popular, so someone must have tried it," but what human beings sat down and actually tried to hack these games?These are the two big ones, although there were a LOT of smaller groups attempting to pick it up in between. Most faded into obscurity after a couple months, once they realized it was harder than expected. Several of which were also centered on Dreamcast-talk.>https://www.adilegian.com/Segagaga/>https://www.dreamcast-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12746
>>12741470anyone know
>>12746370Around 20 hours.
>>12746367They got the text boxes working better than the one that released did.
>>12746501If you dig through the open source attempt, people eventually get to the same stage and realize what happened: It's not hard to get decent-looking single-width text to display in the game. Doing so just nukes the stability of the game and causes a ton of seemingly unrelated crashes.So the big translation project likely got to the point where they could add text like that, but couldn't fix the constant crashing that came with it and gave up.
>>12747568>but couldn't fix the constant crashing that came with it and gave up.The ai patch used the same approach as the 2011 version beta. Say the japanese game uses 16 characters per line, and each character is a texture. The English characters are smaller, because the game needs to have more text for the translation to make sense. Here they relied on a half width font that got them up to 32 characters. But the game then loads twice as much textures, and it's never meant to do that. That's where the "instability" comes from when it eventually needs those textures or when the english extra data corrupts the memory.That's not a new problem. In fact, very old translation mods for the ps1 dealt with that exact same issue just fine.The problem with the new segagaga ai patch was that they never considered it an issue that they're translating with half the normal english character limit (as observable in social media character limits between jp and english). The quality of the text simply didn't matter for the authors, they could just delete and mutilate any message that didn't fit. That's not something you can fix with any expertise or tool, that's a mindset problem that shit work is ok. The exact same mindset as pic related in official localizations, with the same attitude and same end result.
>>12748125Or...because trying to add all that text will just make the game crash on emulation or legitimate hardware. Just saying
>>12749558No, proper translation projects (official or not) from after 1998 will at the bare minimum make sure the code is stable enough to show a x2 long english sentence in all situations, and it has been the case for every major translation project from 1998 - 2020. And that x2 english sentence will be the shortest literal equivalent. A "Yes/No" choice shouldn't crash the game just because "Yes" is one extra letter from Japanese.If a translation project can't do that much then by definition it's poorly coded AND has a shit translation script AND the developers blatantly don't care, which is cause for concern not praise.
>>12734450post patched game
>>12734652If you can play P3/4 untranslated you are not N5, you would have trouble doing this at a N3 level.I hate these fucking threads, always a bunch of EOPs and/or MAGA dickriders choking on Trump's old stale cum that don't know anything about Japanese
>>12750084You're definitely retarded if you don't think truncated text doesn't exist in modern translations. Protip: You can say a lot more in Japanese than English which is literally the problem because there's only so much you can do before realizing you can't. Fates is bad because treehouse are dogshit and make working desgins look preofessional. But every translation will make some concession because you don't want have to make a YGO card level text box just to describe something
>Over a hundred posts>Not even one person besides a single (1) anon even played the gameKill /vr/
>>12750227i wanna play at least 5 more chapters before having an opinion
>>12750125First of all, no point, it's still being updated every few days to fix bugs. If you got a pre-patched game now it would likely be outdated in a few days and have softlock bugs.Second, are people even here of all places that incapable of patching a game themselves? 99% of modern game patches are literally loading up either Flips or DeltaPatcher depending what format the patch is in, selecting the patch, selecting the game, then clicking patch. That's it! It's three steps! It literally takes more effort and steps to setup whatever emulator you are going to use or to burn it to a disk to play on real hardware than patching it yourself! Yes, even if you just downloaded install_PS1_emulator.exe and just mashed "Next" until it was installed, that's STILL more steps and effort than patching it yourself.You don't have to deal with all sorts of crap like back in the old days where you had to do all sorts of manual shit to patch a game, you don't even need to worry about having the wrong version of the game anymore because on top of the fact that nowadays we have no-intro and redump sets that are one consistent verified set rather than hunting down random dumps that were of who knows what quality from random angelfire sites, newsgroups, and FTPs, but modern patch formats that everyone with a brain releases the hacks in like bps or xdelta have built-in CRC checking to warn you if you the game image you are trying to patch does not match.Are you seriously incapable of doing something as simple as picrel?
>>12750227Isn't that also your fault?
>>12734450Not AI? Count me out.
>>127506412030 will be windows ai only OS. Wants to use tools that may or may not work on linux,your only alternative.
>>12739591Rajesh, are you implying you're some different race? I thought you're ARYAN just like us, just the unfortunate part which loves cow shit for reasons unclear to us.
>>12750227The “translators” and meme video essay channels haven’t played it either, the internet is a fucking joke
>>12742480Based, fuck these cunts
>>12742337Nah, if it's done by human hand then it's a good beginning. Now, the question is whenever it's a good translation or a "troonslation". AI shouldn't ever be used - unless as a help in translating some kanji you're not familiar with or using it to modify a texture which needs to have translated text on it. Sure, you can still just use a dictionary for the first case and edit it in yourself in the second case. In a perfect situation, AI wouldn't be used. Or, rather, an LLM. It's still too far from the real thing to call it "AI". It's more of a marketing description.I could ONLY stomach an AI patch if it included all the necessary busywork, like textboxes etc PLUS was capable of translating properly even the most difficult jargon/puns. If translator notes are needed, that's fine, it can be put in the game as some references and puns, especially for 80's stuff (or in general) requires knowledge of that source material. If the output is just as if an actual, skilled human translator would do, then it's viable. Until then, it's pretty capable but not yet viable, especially for long scripts like in JRPGs.
>>12734930You're ANI (Artificial Non-Intelligence).
>>12735090This is the only use case for AI - since at least it doesn't insert political newspeak that is not in the source material. Also the meetings - by that xhe means xhe threw a tantrum until other, no testosterone beings agreed with it.
>>12734659"nee-ga" is not "ni-gger" u retard
>>12734794dumb retardmarblesloppa (not marble anon) and OP don't write anywhere near the same kind of writing style
>>12735875Dances like an Irish unhuman, dies from a single shot. Yeah, that's accurate and why IRA was always overblown (heh) in regards to their actual capabilities. Literally a lot of redhead, tacticool unpeople that couldn't shoot even if their lives depended on it (they did).
>>12737192That's Humanity since always. Do you know how many, currently extremely famous, painters ended up dead with barely a peńny to their souls, being largely ignored during life? That's until some artsy faggots made them famous by presenting their works in their galleries and doing the usual marketer speech? Observe how successful they were in their endeavor, selling works bought cheaply at now incredibly raised price. Price gouging goes to this day, whether it's a painting, music or a game. There always were vultures making a BANK from impoverished authors. Or selling something at 100x its original worth, as we can see today, for example with old TVs or video games. Whatever it is, if you can sell it well, it will sell.
>>12737350K, B, C. I'm Kekking at Based Cucked jeet destroyers.
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>>12751483Enjoy your thin client and than jumping to linux and using unsuccessfully try to patch your roms. Fucking retarded npc.
>>12751504Those tools are open source and available on both MacOS and Linux too you idiot.
>>12751518They really don't. The development is windows centric and the linux version sucks ball. You would know that zoomie, if you ever used them and not just did "trust da github" meme.
>>12751545>I can't get it to work in Linux!Skill issue, worked fine for me, both the GUI and CLI versions.I guess this is the level of competency I can expect from someone who literally can't do a simple 3-step process to patch his own games and begs others to patch it for them.
>>12751504Ok /g/eet. It's clear you know nothing about Linux.
Why have fantranslation threads become filled with the most obnoxious fags I have seen on this board.
>>12753047>fantranslation threadsMore like the entire board (and site).
>>12753047Because nobody moderates this piece of shit board unless you post a e-celeb that a janny hates.
>>12750219>Unironically defending SNK arcade translation grade translation truncationKys>Fates is bad because muh professionalismHow does it feel to shit on official localizations (actually all translations including any fan version that replaces official versions) then defend present even worse radioactive slop with even less shits given and expect that wailing about those woke trannies will make the player forget YOU are just another trash translator willing to disrespect them even more and give them even less. Kindly go fuck yourself, this is a scam through and through. Even if I wanted machine translations I would get the COMPLETE ocr version, not your buggy truncated trash with zero effort put in either the translation OR the code.
no1 cares about ur jarpig trannylation
