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Previous thread: >>4841293

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

CRT Pastebin (WIP) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
Guide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ
General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
JVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY

/crt/ Discord Server : https://discord.gg/EFWPCYE

Thread Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1HF1jPaNTZDupCn_GGtFuB3DxW5WFFd3yT4znmLA_cuU5oA/viewform
Collaborative Consumer CRT Project Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd3_OraDPRRN_OzQ4r_-CqoNPR9J0r2KtFrpV6iuXdxM3DDJg/viewform
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Love to OP for Laura alone.
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>Find a KX-14CP1 being auctioned off for $5
>The site it's on has a $400 registration fee
God dammit
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>>4863574
That's a very good composite picture. I love large CRTs.
>>4863576
Also nice.
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got a copy of King of Fighters '99 for AES coming in the mail.
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>>4863762
SNES composite really is quite nice.
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>>4863762
Thanks and this was being played on the SupaBoy SFC!
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>>4863576
Also this is my crt at home and this >>4863574
is my dad's crt at his house.
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I've always wanted to add an RCA TM-21 to my collection, as a fan of vacuum tube tech and monitors. The TM-21 was basically the very first RGB pro monitor - dating to 1953(!), this is the display the NTSC color standard itself is based on, with a rare earth phosphor "roundie" CRT.

Literally dozens of vacuum tubes, in excess of 4 chassis with regulated power and massive transformers and nearly the size of a washing machine (and much heavier than an washer). Building this thing in the 50s was like going to the moon, and cost about as much.
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>>4864013
A crazy 1950s flyer from RCA showing the Strategic Air Command war room with TM-21 displays:
http://www.steampoweredradio.com/pdf/rca/other/rca%20sac%20cmd.pdf
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>>4863550
Goddamn, Rewatching Twin Peaks lately and I didn't remember it being quite so comfy
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>>4864092
It's perfect for watching in bed at night
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>>4864013

Being a old TV wiz, i'm curious, when were composite, s-video, RGB and component connections first invented? Could I hook vidya up to this?
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Anyone care to share their experience with emailing production companies about PVM/BVMs? I live in a pretty large city so I'd like to give it a shot. I also frequently travel to smaller rural cities to visit family as well so that my be fruitful.
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>>4864151
Well, I know the TM-21 had baseband composite and S-Video was introduced by JVC in 1986 or 7 (Y/C was around before this but carried on two separate connectors. Not sure exactly when RGB (as an input) and YPbPr came in but my 1987 JVC VM-R150EK has all of them.
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>>4864168
SCART was introduced all the way back in the late 70s. RGB inputs in the US were typically DB25 and labeled as computer inputs, with the first monitor to use BNC for RGB being to my knowledge, the PVM-1271Q.
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>>4864151
Yeah, something as old as the 1950's TM-21 takes the same NTSC composite signal, as per this fascinating white paper on it from 1957 (page 31) http://www.rsp-italy.it/Electronics/Magazines/RCA%20Broadcast%20News/_contents/RCA%20Broadcast%20News%2098%201957%2012.pdf
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>Be Brit who can't drive, wanting a 20" PVM
>Brits aren't willing to deliver a PVM that size, even if they are fairly local
>Americans are happy to ship it over the Atlantic, and much larger CRTs too if I wanted

Why is this?

Anyway - I'm thinking I'll pay the import charges. Will I be able to just plug in a UK power lead to it (like pic) for use here? and if so, what spec lead do I need to get, or will it depend on the model? As I said, I want a 20", but I haven't decided on the model yet. Sorry if it's a stupid question, but I don't want to risk frying anything if I get it wrong.
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>>4864228
I don't know if I could personally deal with having a tube shipped overseas, but as to whether the power cable will work, that's going to depend on the model.

Some, and a lot of later ones specifically, do have multivoltage power supplies that will work with either 120 or 240 without much of a care, while others are fixed voltage: one or the other.

It is usually marked on the sticker on the back of the set, and occasionally there will be a switch for going between the two.
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Free shipping did
I do
Bad or good?
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Laura was a whore
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>>4864374
If it has RGB you did alright. Not a stellar deal but not horrible either.
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>>4864094
>Someone saved the pic I had put on that tulpa thread, filetext and all
I kinda feel honored.
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>>4864092
Twin Peaks truly is like a dream, sometimes very nice and warm, other times kinda creepy and ominous.
I'll put it up on my old CRT for rewatching every now and then, I never tire of it.
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>>4864374
>>4864393
its composhit only, do your research next time. there's a reason why it was so cheap. you'd be better off with literally any 13inch+ CRT
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>>4864092
the opposite of a usual david lynch production
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>>4864374
If it has s video you did good, I have one very similar
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do none of you idiots even know how to do a basic google search on PVM model numbers?
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>>4864592
I remember looking at monitors like these and sincerely thought about buying one before figuring what an RGB input actually entailed. Thankfully, I wizened up before making my first purchase.
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>>4864592
>tfw only made one mistake with my first purchase
>BVM-D14H5U, no bkm129x
>just bought a bkm129x, price of the monitor and board being 1/3 of the price of just the monitor these days
I've got a big collection of these things and I got all of these for a good price. Prices went crazy these past few years.
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University a town over is selling off their old security PVMs
On the back this has what looks like SCART input, if I were to buy it could I just plug my SCART cable in for RGB or would I be better off buying one of the other monitors I could plug a BNC cable into?
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>>4864707
It's an older, lower end model, but that is infact SCART.

Worth grabbing if you can get it for a decent price.

It's a PVM-1440
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>>4864727
Thanks. If the bidding is still low by the time it's over I'll snipe it.
Does this model do RGB though? I've read SCART doesn't always mean RGB.
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>>4864975
Yes
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>>4864981
Cool, thanks!
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>>4864975
>I've read SCART doesn't always mean RGB.
That probably refers to some older sets. All of mine have been at least from the later 80s or so, and all of them have handled RGB just fine. Even some really shitty Vestel-tier stuff.
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Guys I just had the casing of a 27 inch trinitron basically disintegrate on me yesterday, the tube is now lopsided inside the plastic casing. I can peer into it and see that what look like two large mounting brackets on either side of the tube face are misaligned. I have never discharged one of these and need to know DEFINITIVELY where to put the grounding cable. I have heard just to use a piece of metal and I have also heard to clamp it to a coil on the tube itself.

Any help is appreciated
Thanks
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To my understanding, if I wanted to play PC games on my CRT TV, I'd need an old gpu with s-video and emudriver.
So how would I go about setting up a modern console with HDMI only?
I've seen it done with an Extron Emotia but those are crazy expensive now. Would an hdmi to ypbpr convertor work or introduce any lag?
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>>4865429
u could use a jrok instead of s vido

for hdmi you would need a transcoder
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I have a CRT TV with a dark splotch in the upper left corner that is most visible on the blue screen that shows when nothing is plugged in.
It looks like pic related.
I have seen other CRTs with the same problem, sometimes in more than one corner.

Is this caused by:

a. Warped shadowmask caused by overheating from high constrast settings -unfixable

b. Magnetic distortion caused by speakers or other nearby magnets nearby -fixable with a degaussing coil

c. Colour error caused by misaligned purity yoke -fixable by taking off the back and adjusting the neck of the CRT
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>>4863556
I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms bend back.
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Could anybody ID this monitor? I only know that it's a JVC model and that it's probably from the 80s.
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>>4863556
who is it? brainlet here
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>>4865582
Character from the show Twin Peaks, she gets murdered and the show follows the investigation, shit gets really weird.
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Just letting ya'll know I have not given up on the projector, just getting things as good as I can get them before finally taking game photos. This photo took right in the middle of the scanline being drawn so the colors are off, but I think I'm getting there.
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>>4864707
Get it.

Get. it. now.
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>>4866492
went back to the RAW file for a better sample
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>>4865654
I made the shit decision to watch the movie before I knew about the show
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>>4867489
Oh god I'm sorry. That must have been confusing.
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>>4863550
>Laura
Any former /tpg/ posters here?
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>>4867493
It wasn't really
It felt like watching a psychedelic thriller movie.
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>>4867498
a lot of david lynch movies are like that
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>>4865408
From what I've seen, discharge at the anode, which is the wire going into the top of the tube with a big rubber cap over it.
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>>4867946
yeah but what about the ground wire ?
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>>4865015
actually it means newer, cheap sets. Every older set would have done RGB. SCART on a PVM means RGB though.

>>4865429
S-video is shit when it comes out of a PC. Those ports work, but they're a mess, and also they're not related to crt_emudriver, which is for getting low resolutions out of newish radeon cards that do analog video. You could use a J-rok with crt_emudriver to get s-video, but you don't want s-video directly from the PC.

https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor
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>>4867995
You short/connect the metal anode button (under the rubber cup) to the DAG, which is the graphite paint coating around the outside of the tube at the back. The DAG has a metal grounding strap, normally spring tensioned to hold it against the conductive paint. Clip onto that grounding wire first, then slide whatever discharge tool you have under the rubber cup until it contacts the metal of the shatter hook that holds the lead and cup over the anode button. You may hear a snap or spark, you may not, most newer sets have a bleeder capacitor. You can use something like a plastic kitchen spatula to help lift the edge of the rubber cup, but keep you hands clear of everything so the charge drains down your wire. I didn't like the idea of anything loose, so i soldered the wire to the screwdriver i used and sheathed the handle with a big piece of industrial rubber hose, and it's worked well ever since.

Once done, unless the set is Sony which might be different, you push one side of the shatter hook in a little bit and lift it clear - it's fine to hold up the rubber cup to see what you're doing once you've discharged.
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I don't understand why this is all of a sudden so complicated. I have been having a whole slew of issues trying to integrate a CRT PC monitor into my modern PC gaming rig. Especially considering that about a year ago, I had done it flawlessly.
Would anyone want to listen to me lay it on thick?
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>>4868274
why not type it up and see what happens.
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>>4868287
It would literally be impossible to type up in one post. I could talk about the monitor itself, my graphics card, windows 10, monitor scaling, my newer LCD monitor, the resolutions, the multi support, the cables, the ports, the switchers, Nvidia control panel, I could literally start in any of those categories and talk for a good minute.
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>>4868306
And for all of that, there are two things that LCD panels will never have, and they are a perfect viewing angle, and glow/soul/warmth.
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>>4868306
Go fuck yourself with a power drill faggot
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Having a weird issue right here, even if I change the vertical position the top part of the when never shows the rest of the grid. Any way to fix that and the sight warping without opening it up and using magnets? I'm unable to find a service manual for this CT-20SL14J
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>>4868614
Also there's this weird white line at the bottom sometimes now?
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>>4868614
>That gamecube controller
Oh cool-
>notice fidget spinner on top of set
Kill yourself my dude.
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>>4868692
Eh, it was a dollar.
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>>4868705
People actually pay for them? You are trolling right?
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>>4868720
I don't understand why you're trying to have a fight with me. Are you bored?
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>>4868724
Do you really not realise where you are?
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>>4868754
Yeah, not on /b/,
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>>4868756
Maybe you should go back to ____
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Should I play FF7 on PS1 so I can use that good old CRT I have or instead use the Steam version which is supposedly better in every way and has a higher resolution?
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>>4868614
First line might still be inside the TV's blanking period.
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>>4869363

It has a 'higher resolution' as far as 3D goes, though all the prerendered videos and backgrounds are PS1 quality and look like total ass upscaled. PS1 is objectively the best way to play it, not sure how you heard otherwise.
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>>4869458
>though all the prerendered videos and backgrounds are PS1 quality and look like total ass upscaled
So, just like that awful lazy Parappa port for the PS4 where they just ripped the cutscenes straight from the PS1 version and scaled them up instead of rerendering them?
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>>4868692
you would've said the same thing if it were POGs or tiger games
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>>4869473
Basically it's the same exact backgrounds, upscaled without any filtering. The PS4 version at the very least attempts to use some filtering to make the 3D models blend a little bit better.
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>>4867498
I'd say if you're still interested, just go through seasons 1&2, then rewatch the movie, there's a lot to take in since it serves as a prequel and sequel.
Then move on to season 3.
If you're interested, that is.
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>>4863550
Ha, Twin Peaks.
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>>4869473
They most likely don't have the source videos anymore. What else are they supposed to do?
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>>4869432
What could I do about it?
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Anyone here with a B&O Beovision MX4200? Would you post your service menu settings here please? I fucked mine up way hard.
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>>4868297
new nvidia cards dont do vga out do they?

What card are you using?
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>>4870805
Geforce 900 series still have vga out, not that old.
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>>4870262
Game developers typically archive assets such as that, and they should. If they haven't done it, they could recreate it. Pretty sure they have reanimated all the in-game stuff to make it fit widescreen, plus that all the graphics have been redrawn in a higher resolution.
Just using upscaled PS1 FMVs like that looks extremely sleazy. They should have saved all that shit so they could just re-render it in a higher resolution.
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>>4871398
You don't understand, back in the 90s that kind of preservation just wasn't prevelant in Japan. For things such as cgi cutscenes, you'd have to completely make everything from scratch. That just isn't really a good option for a low-budget remastered title. They actually just emulated the PSP version with injected HD graphics. For a fairly niche super short game that they want to keep at a low price, there isn't a good reason for them to go out of their way to do that.

Whatever they should have done years ago doesn't matter, they didn't.
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Is it even possible to fix the geometry of a FLAT CRT?

As much as I tinker with the service menu by adjusting one parameter it distorts somewhere else
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>>4871578
No CRT ever had perfect geometry. They even list on the spec sheets how close they can get to perfect as a matter of pride. Flat CRTs perform worse than curved in this regard.

Get it as good as you can get it, then turn off the test pattern and play games.
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I recently played some games on a 27 inch consumer sony, and it confirmed my suspicions;
people generally had the brightness cranked up
should I turn it up on my PVM for that authentic experience?
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>>4864092
There's a very specific kinda foggy wooded mountain atmosphere I associate with the 90's for some reason and Twin Peaks seems to do a lot of that.
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What's the most cyber punk looking CRT?

Looking to replace my old RCA, money isn't an issue
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>>4873193
Some form of professional monitor, or just arcade monitor with DIY case
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>>4873193
kv-1370r or something similar
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I'm going to sound stupid, but I'm very lost. What the shit is RGB and can a $20 WEGA with component display the signal so I can verify an N64 with an RGB board installed outputs the signal for a friend before mailing it back to him?
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>>4873615
So is this what I'm looking for?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-BT-S915DA-Color-9-Broadcast-Video-Monitor/292602868943?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44039%26meid%3Dc91ed4f5260047dba022319fd4f322b2%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D273101537483%26itm%3D292602868943&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
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>>4873640
>>4873615
Yep, that broadcast monitor can display both rgb and ypbpr signals so it'll display an RGB-modded N64 fine. Wegas (at least NA models) don't accept RGB, only Ypbpr, so an RGB-modded N64 won't be able to display on one without having an RGB to Ypbpr transcoder between the console and television.

RGB itself is a colorspace made from the colors red, green, and blue. Combined with sync (usually written shorthand as RGBs) you get basically the ideal signal from retro consoles.
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>>4874478
it's RGBS because the sync is on it's own cable, lower case means the sync is embedded in the previous signal, like with RGsB.
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I'm trying to adjust the overscan on my TV.
I got into the service menu and I can adjust the vertical scale, but nothing happens when I change the horizontal value. Any idea why?
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>>4874478
Thanks bro, got it for 30 bucks.
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>>4874582
and to clarify im supposted to buy a SCART with BNC connectors then a n64 to scart cable and thats it?
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>>4874559
What TV?
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>>4874883
A Zenith. I don't know the model number, but it looks like this one. (not my pic)
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>>4875230
Got a link to the service manual?
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Ive started to adjust my CRT using the service menu and in all the guides I see people keep saying "don't force your TV too far out of spec" like they're warning you against opening pandoras box without actually saying what out of spec is. So what is considered too far out of spec? The horizontal alignment on my set was off so I moved it 4 notches to the right to center it. I assume that 4 notches is well within safe adjustment ranges and not something ridiculous like 50 to the right just for fun but with the way people go on about it I'm worried about making any adjustments at all.
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>>4874559
>>4875328
I looked at the back and it's a 27" B27A11Z.
https://www.manualslib.com/products/Zenith-B27a11z-670407.html

I found this tidbit on page 54
>Horizontal size is on the 32" and 36" models. Adjustment is found in the factory Menu (Item13).

So, I just can't adjust it? End of story?
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>>4876263
Yep, looks like they cheaped out and just did fixed horizontal.
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What would you consider market price for a PVM-8044Q? I am in need of some cash and have a fuckload of em, going to sell off a few of my stash.

Trying to get normie prices on this, any time I encounter fellow enthusiasts I give deals or just give em away so don't get angry about scalper shit plz
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>>4876641
$50, and before you think that's a "fellow enthusiast" price or something, that's the going rate for similar small PVMs on eBay.
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>>4876646
I feel ya, i've sold a few for like 20 bucks or traded em for fun stuff
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>>4876641
where are you located gaybro
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Can someone recommend me a good svideo switch?
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Last month got 2 Lacie electron blues + a thrown in pvm 1271q for $35. Now I just went and bought HP's rebranded gdm fw900 for $100, and the guy gave me a second one for free. Folks, hop on the crt monitor train while you still can.
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>>4876668
Also, could I just get an s-video and rca splitter cables and be just fine?
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>>4863913
Best in thread, that Sony crt is so good, and I want one so bad
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>>4876827
you can send one output to two inputs but you shouldn't mix to outputs into the same input
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I've finally got my PSX hooked up with component cables on my PVM, but I'm getting a green/blue picture. I remember I had this issue on my PS2 when I first hooked it up with RGB cables and I just had to change a setting on the console. Hopefully it's the same issue here? I can't read kanji so I'm not sure what I should be messing with here.
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>>4877093

If your pvm won't switch to component you will have to do it on your console. You might hook up (or look up a video) on doing so on a US system, and just follow along on the japanese one.
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Got guilted into seeing Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom with my family tonight and have to the image was not as good as the CRT projector. That is mostly down to the incompetence of the peole working (it was very dark and not focused right) but well...
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>>4876880
>muh sony
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>>4877137
There are no US PSX's. I was hoping another PSX owner would be around that has probably dealt with this already. It's such a pain that all the enthusiasts for this thing that post online are non-English speakers.
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>>4877250
If the setting is still there it should be rather easy to spot since RGB/Component will be in english.
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>>4877384
No offense but you're not reading my post. I have a PSX not a PS2 or PS1.
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>>4877397
I know. If RGB/component are listed in english you should be able to find the settings and set it up on the PSX if you're not stupid.
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>>4877415
Well it doesn't, and I'm not trying to change random settings which I have no idea what they do.
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>>4877203
I had the same issue myself seeing the movie. I'm not sure if these movies are really meant to be on a projector anymore. Even these "4K" projectors are blurry as shit.
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>>4877419
Thats strange, because RGB and component are listed in english on the japanese ps2 bios.
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>>4877428
I don't know if there even is a setting that needs to be selected on the PSX, I'm just thinking there is one. I'm not sure why else I'm getting this green screen.
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>>4876796
What are the best businesses/people to ask for CRT PC monitors?
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It is possible to have perfect geometry/linearity/focus/convergence/purity on a flat PCRT monitor or do you need to go curved to get perfect image?

We know these things are not possible on flat CRTVs and even semi-flat Trinitron CRTVs have convergence problems.
But PCRT monitors are deeper and made to a higher standard.
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Anyone successful hook a pc up to their 20L5/15L5?

Its able to do 30khz, my setup is a vga to box converter into+sexchanger into vga into my pc but nothing happens, maybe the pc dosent recognise it as a monitor.

I have a Radeon 290 and windows 10 btw
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>>4877519
you should be able to adjust to a point where geometry is perfectly looking
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>>4877598
*Vga to BNC

I’m not using one of those bnc T modules, because my Dreamcast works fine with H and V sync in both separate bnc ports
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>>4877519
Your implying ignorance and attempting to tell us "facts" all at the same time, yet you are totally ignorant.

PCCRTs are the definition of proper look and feel. Plenty of flat tvs are curved with a flat glass over the front. Quality isn't always guaranteed to be better because the CRT is older or curved,

Amature and total nonsense. You won't get near the same quality with a PVM as a proper PCCRT for any aspect except matching a resolution to a source.
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Are there any good solutions to hooking up a modern subwoofer to a Sony PVM?

Picture is great but these things don't seem to have many audio solutions.
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>>4877606
>>4877598
>vga to box converter into+sexchanger into vga into my pc

The 290 doesn't do VGA, so it can't detect anything plugged in that way, and even if it could it can't output the analog VGA signal. My head hurt just writing that.
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>>4877880
Sorry its been so long since i tried it i mistook my DVI to VGA changer for a genderchanger (And also fforgot what they were called because i have mudbrain).

I guess I'll test it using an older card that outputs real analogue.
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>>4877867
BUMP. ANYONE?
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>>4877891
Do they do aux? I used one of these for smaller speakers.
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>>4877912
i dont know i dont feel like looking behind it, can you get the model # from my picture and look at a schematic for me instead
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>>4878020
No
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>>4877203

When was the last time you went to a movie theater?

Digital projectors have sucked for years, until the advent of 4k projectors for a long time they were just 1080p/2k blown up on a huge screen which was always blurrier than analog film with no fixed resolution being projected.I still remember seeing Disney movies in the 80s and how much sharper and colorful they were compared to the Pixar crap nowadays. The only trade-off is you had scuffs and pops from the film's repeated plays but that gave it some charm.
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I have a BVM D14H5U with a BKM-129x card and an Extron 203 Rxi. When Pass VGA into the Extron and output RGBS to the BKM, the picture ends up Purple and a bit skewed off screen. I'm sure there's either a setting or extra step I'm missing.
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>>4878226
Is your BVM definitely set to RGB rather than YPbPr? Have you checked the jumper settings on the back of the Extron, SoG in particular. Have you adjusted horizontal centering on the Extron?

Best would be to post a pic of what you're currently getting.
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>>4878254
Will double check it was set to RGB, though I believe it was - new to the BVM world. Haven't messed with the dip switches on the back of the Extron, do you know what ones need to be flipped in particular?
I'll take a pic when home from work if you're still lurking. Thanks for the reply.
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>>4878265
Without seeing exactly what a going on it's difficult to be specific. Most of the jumpers deal with sync processing but it could be related depending on the distortion you're experiencing.

The great thing about Extron is they archive all their documentation stretching back decades. Here's the manual for the RGB 203 Rxi in case you haven't got it:

https://www.extron.com/download/files/userman/68-655-01_RevD_RGB203Rxi.pdf
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>>4877867
Simple. Don't run your audio through the PVM. I have an Extron AV Switcher that I use for all my consoles on the PVM and it outputs to my speakers.
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CRT experts, I need help with a decision. I have the opportunity to purchase either a 20" PVM or a 33" Mitsubishi XC-3315C. Both are $400. I typically prefer larger monitors, but understand that the Mitsubishi is almost 200 lbs. Of course, quality comes first. Pic related is the Mitsubishi
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>>4878380
Looks good to me
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Any good suggestions for an av cart to hold my 42in crt?
I'm wondering if this fucker is too heavy.
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Should be getting my first PVM next week (20M2U)

Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions, but can anyone help me with what cables I need because I'm not sure.

>Audio
1 - Are the audio input/outputs aux or rca? - I can't tell from the pic.
2 - Even though it's a single output, does it still output stereo if use a splitter?

>Video
Do you guys recommend getting direct BNC cables for each console, or SCART to BNC cables? I already use SCART cables for my MD and PS1.

>BNC Switchers
I'd like to get a crosspoint, so for hooking that up what cable/s do I use to output from the it to the PVM?

Thank you
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>>4878482
>Audio
1. RCA. What the fuck is "aux", you mean 3.5mm jack?
2. No, it's mono only. Do yourself a favour and fugeddaboutit entirely.

>Video
Just use SCART and run a SCART to BNC from the switcher.

>BNC Switchers
Not worth getting a Crosspoint unless you're running outputs to multiple displays. Just get a Bandridge SCART switcher and adaptor cable I mentioned above. Audio output from this cable can be run to a separate amplifier and decent speakers.

>Thank you
Don't mention it.
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>>4878154
>When was the last time you went to a movie theater?

>Got guilted into seeing Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom with my family tonight
anon...
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>>4878638
What is reading comprehension?
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>>4877250

Ah sorry, I just thought you were calling the ps1 a psx, it's pretty common on here.
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>>4877867

Get a breakout cable and run that into your audio receiver.
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>>4878380
Really gonna depend on what PVM and what you'd like to use it for, but the 480p and 1080 support that the Megaview will get you would be rather nice to have.

The Mitsubishi is not gonna give as (potentially) razor sharp of an image as the PVM in all likelihood, but that's not a real negative either.
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My monitor has a red time on it. If I turn the red drive all the way down it is almost back to normal. Am I fucked?
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>>4878998
Red tint*
Also besides that nothing is wrong, just a color tint on the image
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>>4878380
Get the Mitsu.
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>>4878087
lazy pos
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>>4878998
>>4879000
Scratch that, I just ran the image restoration feature on the monitor and it fixed right up
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>>4878154
>>4877427
The last movie I saw before this one in a cinema (the same cinema) was Rogue One, and I walked out 15 minutes in because the image was so blurry and dark I found it unacceptable. I asked for a refund but they refused to give me one because they didn't see anything wrong with the picture. The exit sign was also being reflected in the screen.

I do believe it is a 1080p projector in this small town cinema, and not even a good one. I saw ghosting/blurring during fast moving segments, and I bet the lumen output of the projector is not good enough for the size of the screen they're using. It might be a business-class projector rather than a true cinema projector. How they get the license to show first-run movies is beyond me. I guess studios just don't give a shit.

So far I have watched on my set-up

>Excalibur
>Barry Lyndon
>The Lost World: Jurassic Park II
>Blade Runner 2049
>Aguirre, The Wrath of God
>Blade Runner
>Several episodes of Star Trek and Hokuto No Ken

I would put my set-up, even with all its faults and having been calibrated by eye by an amateur like myself, up against that cinema any day of the week. Mine is brighter, sharper (even only running 1280x960!), and has zero ghosting.

No pics, because they're really sort of meaningless and can't convey what I see. And there are many photos of movies running on CRT projectors on AV forums that are better examples than mine.

Still, I am getting rid of the thing because it is absolutely massive and takes up too much space in my room, and I know I will be endlessly fiddling with it, never being truly happy even when I have an image which is better than what you see in some actual cinemas today.

Bonus fuck up by the people at my local cinema: the presented Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom in cropped 16:9 aspect ratio. The actual aspect ratio of the movie is 2.29:1 So a good chunk of the sides of the screen were cut off. I didn't even ask for a refund this time.
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>>4879795
I'm all about supporting my smaller theaters, but that sounds terrible. Small town theater, so no other viable options for people to see movies in a better theater? That's really the only way I can see a theater like that still running.
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>>4878973
literally not even worth mentioning. A megaview is better than any PVM.
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>>4878973
>The Mitsubishi is not gonna give as (potentially) razor sharp of an image as the PVM in all likelihood, but that's not a real negative either.
Indeed. It's not like you're actually losing any detail in the image.
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How do you enjoy CRTs without headache and eyestrain? I have around a dozen but Im taking them off in favor of my LCDs it makes me feel much more relaxed
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>>4880518
The headache and eyestrain thing is a myth. It comes from people who don't know how to set their PC monitor to a higher refresh rate. Televisions and 15khz CRT monitors don't have this issue at all.
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Can anyone who uses Genesis Plus GX on Wii and hasn’t adjusted the settings for sound tell me what the default settings are?

Example:

Fm resolution
High quality fm on or off
Fm volume
PSG volume
PSG noise boost
Filtering on or off
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>>4878512
Is that a Panasonic CT-101?
I WANT IT
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>>4880420
Some people are only interested in meme-tier scanlines. If they turned down a monitor because of that, they'd be awfully silly, but still worth noting.
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>>4877435
Pretty sure the DESR doesn't support RGB at all, only YPbPr via its D-Terminal:

http://thepsx.blogspot.com/2014/08/tutorial-psx-component-video-mod.html?m=1
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320x200 vga makes my eyes feel weird, i have no problem with 640x480 but 400p scanlines are too thicc for me. What should I do? keep in mind i can't push my monitor back farther.
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for people curious about connecting audio with their crt, >>4877912 is for use with PC speakers, otherwise hook your console into a good old fashioned stereo receiver amplifier
don't use the onboard PVM speaker unless you have too
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CRTs are comfier than any other type of monitor. Why do normals have such shit taste?
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>>4880806
eyestrain isn't a myth you fucking nonce.
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>>4882913
It comes from viewing too close. Move back a couple of feet and it goes away.

Nothing to do with CRTs per se, just that they're generally smaller so tend to be viewed too close by literal foetuses who grew up with Liquid Crap Displays and can't cope without filling their peripheral vision.
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>>4881518
create a resolution that's double width and height.
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>>4882913
I just told you why it is. Eat shit.
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i recently brought a 4k lcd that is really good for gaming, for old times sake i tried out my crt. The crt seems to have an effect where the frame rate looks like its doubled it is just that smooth.
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>>4869363
PS1. Music there is also uncompressed.
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Asian here with many Chinese 240p 10-in-1 bootleg DVDs and VCDs (I do have other, high quality bootleg DVDs).

They look pretty meh compared to actual DVDs but I wanna watch them on my Samsung CRT TV in actual 240p but my DVD player upscales them to 480i with some blur added.
I could say that scanlines may worsen the presentation of 240p for film/video material but I am curious and I wanna see actual 240p video for these bootlegs so I can see for myself which is better.

How do I get actual 240p via. component for 240p DVDs in the cheapest way possible (since I don't have that much money).

Pic unrelated.
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>>4883843
Yeah, I also noticed that in some CRTs.
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>>4869363
Play it on PC using a VGA monitor.
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I have a 14M2U that will suddenly flash and the colors will get super dull and washed out during use. Turning the monitor off and on will fix it but the problem arises several minutes later.

Any idea what may be the cause? I'm assuming the picture tube is starting to fail.
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>>4871398
The Final Fantasy IX PC/iPhone port has re-rendered HD FMVs but the backgrounds are still upscaled.
VII and VIII are only upscales too. But for both FMVs and backgrounds.

Even X/X-2 HD Remaster and XII: The Zodiac Age only have upscaled FMVs as well, and they were planning on re-rendering the FMVs to HD, for at least X/X-2.

And even weirder, many of the pre-HD Final Fantasy FMVs have HD renders.
These HD renders are only presented in the Distant Worlds concerts, AFAIK.

So far, the Distant Worlds HD re-rendered FMVs for the pre-HD games are:
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy XII
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII

And it's even weirder.
We get stock footage from Crisis Core (notably the flashback to Zack's death) in Advent Children Complete (the Blu-ray version) and the Crisis Core stock footage looks considerably blurrier than the rest of the film, they presumably just upscaled it from 272p.
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>>4884154
maybe use an hd retrovision cable and a ps2 or 3?
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>>4884176
Don't know if the PS2 can play said bootlegs in 240p, but I do know that they cannot play VCDs.
Also, PS3 forces a minimum of 480i output, even for PS1 games or the very few 240p PS2 games like Ico or the Mega Man X Collection.
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I can't get Windows to let me just set a 480p res in the display settings. Like I can use 640x480 in zdoom, and I even made a 3840x480 res in Custom Resolution Utility and used it with RetroArch, but I can't just set it to any 480 res normally. I want to watch Dragon Ball at native res on it.

Anyone know how to make it work, or a workaround?
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>>4884274
Okay I figured it out, if I go to "display adapter properties", and then "list all modes", I can select any available res and refresh rate. Sill kind of annoying that it takes extra steps.
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>>4884295
Welcome to using modern Windows. If you don't do this it just scales the resolution instead of changing it as well.
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Recent pickups. NEC FE1250+ and a 1954q PVM.
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tried to watch some wrasslin DVDs on my MDU20 on my PS2 (via SCART) and the whole screen has a greenish hue on it. any reason why this is the case? can I not view DVDs in RGB out mode?

also, how is the quality of watching DVDs/BDs on a PS3 via component on a PVM?
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>>4884372
PS2 locks out RGB when viewing DVDs, forcing the console into Component mode instead. Someone did work out a way round this, but for your situation, you'd be much better off simply switch the monitor into Component mode.
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>>4867497

late
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>>4884274
use MadVR and set it up to autoswitch to 480p fullscreen.
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Here is what a bootleg 240p DVD looks like in it's native resolution digitally.
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>>4884274
>>4884534
relevant pic
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>>4884557
I thought it might look alright, but it doesn't really.
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>>4884571
Okay.
So I guess even if 240p being upscaled to 480i (my Samsung most likely can't do 480p) may look bad for video games (like with the 3DO).
It works better with video/film material since scanlines probably look awful on said material.

And these bootlegs look better on a CRT since they mask the compression artifacts well.
But still, high-quality bootlegs which have video quality that is equal or surpasses the official releases is still better, even on a CRT.

But, I am just taking this into consideration, especially when I record longplays and put them on DVD (if I ever end up doing that).
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Video quality ain't the best, but maaaaan this is comfy
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>>4884606
GET THE TABLES
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Anyone in atlantic canada selling nice crts/pvms?
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>>4884761
Thrift Shops. At least that's how it is in NW PA USA. I've actully gotten quite a few good CRTs lately. A Sharp 32" with component that I can carry by my self. And a Sony T 36" that I can't move by my self. All for free. People are just throwing these things away. Talk to people who haul trash for a living. You'll get a set for a good price. They have to pay to throw these things away. It's all pretty sad really.
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>>4884782
I also got a 55" Sony Rear Projection with a DVI port, but I don't think very many would care about that here. I does have some convergence issues, but their minor enough that I might be able to fix it from the service menu. Hopefully. Other wise I'll be opening it up and replacing some resistors on the convergence board all for a wide screen rear projection. Not sure if that's worth it.
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Does anyone know why with most PS1 games my CRT displays all the information on screen correctly, but with FF7 and SOTN the edges of the menu lines are cut off?

It’s not enough to ruin the game but I’m just curious as it only happens for the menus.
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>>4884818
Check your TV settings, especially ones that deal with widescreen aspects and the like.
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Anybody in Cleveland want a free 32" Trinitron

https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/zip/d/free-sony-trinitron-wega-kv32/6601535539.html

Listing says Akron-Canton because I can't change it to say Cleveland
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Any guide on how to take the composite audio from a RGB SCART cable for the PSTwo (I know, not retro) and split it into 2 separate RCA audio out cables?

I have one of these cables but I only get mono from the headphone output on my CRT TV.
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>>4885056
You can buy a breakout adapter for that, or open the head and do it yourself if you have a soldering iron.
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>>4884274
Recent Windows hides things under 800x600 unless it's the first resolution in the EDID data.
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>>4885056
Can get this https://www.ebay.com/itm/Switchable-Scart-Male-to-Scart-Female-M-F-S-Video-3-RCA-Audio-Socket-Convertor/192221937354

>>4884786
CRT rear projections are kinda cool when set up well
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I have a M2 and a L5, the L5 needs the contrast cranked up to 80/100 just to match the picture of the M2.

Is there a way I can recalibrate the L5 so that it will look good with the brightness at 50? Does this problem mean the tube is old and tired?
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>>4886480
>Does this problem mean the tube is old and tired?
Potentially, or it could be due to the difference in phosphors used between the two sets.

The L5 is using SMPTE-C where the M2 is using P22. The latter tends to be considerably brighter where as the former is aimed purely at accuracy. A properly calibrated SMPTE-C(or EBU) tube will produce essentially the exact same colors as any other tube built to the same specs, where P22 aren't nearly as precisely made and you're liable to get quite sizable deviations between the sets that use them (essentially all consumer sets and a very sizable portion of PVMs).

You could adjust the L5 to be closer to that of the M2, but you'd only be wearing the tube out quicker. Perhaps try and find a happy medium that gets you a little bit more brightness but without overdoing it.
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>>4886613
I still wonder if it's just calibration settings though because once the contrast is turned up they are identical. Guess I'll have to start reading the service manual and experimenting
it may interest you that I tested the trails effect on the two monitors and found no major difference, despite the different phosphors
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I made a video of my projector running and to no surprise at all it looks like shit and doesn't convey the beauty of the image. In person it's probably the 2nd best image I've seen at home after the KD-34XS955 I owned, even accounting for crappy projection screen and not too hot focus in the corners. The amazing contrast and ability to go to honest-to-god-true-blackout over 90% of the screen while maintaining brightness in a single zone makes the difference. But anyway here it is:

https://my.mixtape.moe/tfmptf.webm

Games still coming soon. I think I want to try to build a better screen.
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>>4879823
People could drive just 10 minutes further down the road, but probably won't because they don't care.
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Has anyone ever come across one of those super-expenisve Mitsubishi TVs that were like $4000 for a 31" back in the 90s? What made them so expensive?
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>>4886819
You mean presentation monitors or ?

If so, the target market could afford to pay for specific capabilities which weren't available elsewhere at the time.
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>>4886819
Here's a video about one:
https://youtu.be/e2TTVGdsB0E

They were some of the top of the line technology of the time and when you're top of the line you can sell to people who don't care about price.
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I'm about to buy a PVM monitor to hook up my N64, will it be possible to make a good set up without modding the console? Is the 9'' screen good or should I look for a bigger one?
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I feel like I'm going to have a much easier time looking for CRTs when people like this are so inept.
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>>4887524
Bet they get one before you lol
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Anyone have any info on a Durabrand DWT1304?
Got it for free from a relative.
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>>4887367
for n64 I'd say the best thing to get is a big consumer CRT with s-video
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>>4886819
Megaview poster here
I need to dust
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>>4887609
Is S-Video better than SCART?
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>>4887367

9" is fucking tiny. In my opinion it's only good to play portable systems like gameboy on. 13" is about the smallest worthwhile PVM, and you have to use it at the distance of a computer monitor for best results.

Either get a monitor/consumer set that takes S-Video or mod your N64 for RGB. The DIY THS MOD ( http://retrorgb.com/n64rgb.html ) is easy and cheap and works very well if you have the right revision of N64. Honestly the RGB mod on the N64 is the absolute LEAST impressive RGB mod of any console, the only reason to do it is if you like modding consoles or need to have an RGB hookup for your monitor. The step in quality from S-Video is very small. I've fully accepted the RGB and PVMeme lifestyle, and even for me it's almost not worth modding the N64, despite how easy and cheap it is to do so.
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>>4887609

This, a large consumer set makes way more sense for N64.
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>>4887821
technically, no
but the difference in quality between s-video and rgb is in the colors, not the sharpness
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>>4887773
Nice. Is it 480p compatible?
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>>4884179
GS mode selector on a homebrew PS2 might work
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>>4888451
I don't think it allows forcing anything under 480i.
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>>4888432
I believe so I'd have to double check
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>>4888683
>>4888632
naisu
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>>4888632
Damn, that's crisp. Flashbacks to the shitty laundromat where I used to play this game
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>>4884606
WHAZZZAAAAPPP
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>>4888432
It is.

If it's a 3717, it can do 720p easy, if it's 3730, it could top 1080p (though not really something I'd suggest)
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What could be causing this BVM's purple tint?
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>>4889774
The green gun being inactive
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>>4888061
I have the 8" PVM 8042Q, It's amazing for my NES and PC Engine. Looks ok on my Other 16 bits and it starts to be a bit too small for my 32-bit system but I've been wanting to see how GB and PS2 look on it for so reason. I only got it for 62 bucks back 2 years ago so i'm content.
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Wonder how much effort it would take to hook up a console to one of these.
https://youtu.be/fpX0xB7njZ0?t=668
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I have pic related and the s video doesn’t work properly.

When the cables are plugged in, every time there’s a sound (like Mario jumping in Mario 64) the screen pulses with the sound.

If I move the cables out of the socket slightly it stops, but I lose a lot of the colour.

Does anyone know if it’s fixable? The cables are fine with my other S video CRT so I don’t think it’s that. RGB works normally.
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>>4889948
Does it work properly if you don't plug in audio?
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Quick question, I have a 27" SD WEGA. After being on for 30 seconds or so, I get a high pitch whine that goes away if I touch the plastic on the top of the set. I'm guessing it's some kind of harmonic resonance but don't know what would be causing it. Do the sets have some kind of dampening that could have fallen off? I know crt safety and have worked on them and arcade monitors several times, just wanted to get an idea what to look for before cracking it open. Thanks.
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>>4890164

The screen still flickers when I jump with Mario even if the sound cable is taken out
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>>4890332
Sounds like you may have a dodgy cable.
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>>4863550
I have a CRT/VCR combo that eats the VHS tapes I put into it. Is the built in VCR able to be fixed?
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Spent six hours setting geometry on my PVM today. It's not perfect but as good as I'm going to bother setting it.
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>>4873097
Nah. You lose detail if you crank it up too high.
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>>4888061
Tim Worthington's RGB board has an optional de-blur toggle now.
And this de-blur functions similarly to the Ultra HDMI de-blur.
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Got my first Trinitron the other day and while playing ps2 games there are VERY faint horizontal fast moving lines. That are basically not even noticeable unless you get super close to the screen. Could this be from interference from something like my component cables or is it just the tv itself?
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>>4891310
The lines don't seem to appear at all when playing GCN games with the same universal component cable. So either its specifically the PS2 part of the cable thats busted and i need a new separate PS2 component cable or PS2 games always looked like this on a CRT and i just forgot.
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>>4891256
detail is also lost on things that are too dark, like N64 with S-video
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got this from a photographer, put an ad in a local classified. got an email from some guys shop, getting rid of his old stuff.
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Whats the verdict on eye strain and damage with a crt. How do a minimize eye strain. My eyes are shit anyway but i hate to damage them more.
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Do curved CRTs have superior purity over flat CRTs?
I know curved CRTS have superior geometry, linearity, focus, and convergence.

Did professional artists and photographers prefer curved CRT PC monitors over flat CRT PC monitors?

Are flat CRT TVs and monitors flat on the inside where the phosphors are, or are they just curved tubes with an extra layer of frontally flat glass added to them?
Or are there both types of flat CRT design? If so, which is better?

>>4891624
What are the best types of shops to phone and ask if they have any old CRT monitors or PVMs?
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>>4891720
Thrift shops are the only store that would have them. Not goodwill or salvation army, they usually dont do crts anymore
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>>4891720
maybe a local photographer i paid 20 bucks for mine
i put an ad and got an email from him.
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>>4891720
>21"
but you could search that on the internet. color is crisp. best refresh rate/highest screen resolution ive ever used. its plenty for me, wished more shit was based on heighth, not width
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>>4891624
>1600x1200 75hz
Still kinda eyemelting.Is it possible to set 80Hz?
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>>4891240

I was down that rabbit hole for the past couple days as well. You can spend hours trying to eliminate every subtle bow and curve, which is a fool's errand obviously, but it's fun to try.
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>>4891240
>>4891821
Fuck, just looking at these patterns I can see why you'd want to fiddle around with shit, it's like they've unlocked my inner OCD.
They look just fine, by all means though.
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>>4891039

Yeah I thought the same and tried ps1 s video and it does the same thing.

I actually managed to get n64 to look normal with the colour and flickering by having just one of the cables in but only slightly touching the connector. Couldn’t achieve the same with ps1 though using the same method.

The screen is so small I can’t really tell the difference between composite and s video anyway but it’s still disappointing.
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>>4889774
Wrong RGB/YPbPr setting?
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>>4891779
its not in windows under the monitor resolutions, the box hide unsupported is unchecked. idk.
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>>4891751
>wished more shit was based on height
i see what you did there
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>>4891779
it shows 85hz being shown by t he monitor when i go under the video card control panel settings. i have analog out nvidia 980. but when i set it at that, it goes out of range>>4892007
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Anyone know of a way to convert VGA signals to either 480i Component YPbPr or S-Video?
Wanna stream some Clarissa Explains It All livestreams on my TV.
I also wanna play my PC games, particularly FFXI on Nasomi on the tube.
Problem is that it's an SDTV which doesn't support 480p, so I can't just plug in a VGA to Component transcoder which doesn't convert progressive to interlaced.
Also, what resolution should I set my PC to?
I presume it's 640x480, right?
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>>4891730
I think it depends on your area. I'm in San Antonio, and I've seen a handful of decent CRTs in Goodwills.
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>>4892040
would a jrok work?
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>>4892327
Sorry, but I am using a laptop.
Don't know if I can install something like that.
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>>4891310
Do you have the universal component cable plugged into multiple consoles? I have one of those cables and it always gives me interference on my ps2 if it's plugged into anything else
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>>4892349
Never have done that since I figured it would do something like that. It's gotta either be the ps2 itself whether intentional or not, or my ps2 is just weird, or only the ps2 part of the cable is messed up.
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Anybody want to post the furniture they use for their crt's for some inspiration. I think I'm going to woodwork myself a new computer desk and maybe even go multilevel to fit all of my monitors
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>>4891416
Depending on the game, the PS2 could be outputting 480i which would explain the flickering you're seeing
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>>4892896
Yeah it's super weird. The lines show up in the system config/memory card browser and some games like Dragon Quest VIII, then in Devil May Cry they basically don't show up at all. Everything is outputting at 480i so I wonder if its just an issue some ps2 games have on CRTs.
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>>4892103
Nice to see another 210 anon in here. Cheers

>>4892916
Maybe get a dedicated ps2 cable? The OEM ones are good and the HDretrovisions are well reviewed as well. Those all-in-one cables typically don't have the best shielding and don't produce the best picture per system so replacing that may improve your experience
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>>4892924
Might buy those retrovision ones eventually but it strangely enough seems to be a game specific thing which is bizarre. Just tried dot hack and the lines are virtually invisible. Not getting any ghosting or color issues so I'll just deal with it for now.
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>>4893018
Maybe its from the interlace filter some games use? FFXII is one of the few games lets you turn the flicker filter on/off, try it.
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>>4892854
relating to this, how can i ensure my crt wont break my furniture, are there any particle board pieces under 50 bucks that could support a 20" trinitron.
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Just grabbed a giant crt off the street that had been sitting in the rain, have it in a storage unit now but how should I go about drying it? Should I remove the back and put fans on it or just let it clear itself out over time? Its a 36 inch curved Trinitron, that's why I went through the trouble btw
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>>4893178
Get fans on it and try to get it as dry as possible, you don't want oxidation or rust to form.
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>>4893018
So the lines completely disappear if I tilt the crt's tilt correction all the way to +5. Does this just mean it's something wrong with the tv itself I guess? Just an old set with internal issues?
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>>4893124
A 20" is only like 50lb, even a corner table will handle it
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>>4893287

One of my trinitrons had it, seems to be a known issue. The tilt correction circuit oscillates for some reason and putting it to +5 is the only way to remove that noise.
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>>4893389
Fucking shit. Well I got it for free thankfully but that's a bummer. I imagine any other way of fixing it is super risky if you don't know what you're doing.
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>>4891195
Repeating my question here. I have a Trinitron CRT/VCR combo, but the VCR eats the tape when I hit rewind. Is there a way that it can be repaired?
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>>4893359
20" PVM specs say around 65 lbs
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>>4893124
I use a cheapie particle board entertainment center for my 1944Q, and it works fine. Weight limit is about 60 lbs, so it is maxing out but it works. Really the best advice is for any stand you purchase to have a support through the middle, directly under your monitor. Shoot for wood and avoid modern plastic ones made for weightless LCDs. No chance of bowing and the like.
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Gonna try one more time:

>Quick question, I have a 27" SD WEGA. After being on for 30 seconds or so, I get a high pitch whine that goes away if I touch the plastic on the top of the set. I'm guessing it's some kind of harmonic resonance but don't know what would be causing it. Do the sets have some kind of dampening that could have fallen off? I know crt safety and have worked on them and arcade monitors several times, just wanted to get an idea what to look for before cracking it open. Thanks.
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>>4892103
I picked up a KV19TS20 in SA a few months back for $6, you might have seen it
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>>4894020
>I'm guessing it's some kind of harmonic resonance but don't know what would be causing it
Probably 15khz from the flyback and the plastic case is resonating in sympathy. You could damp it down like with dynamat or something.
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>>4894440

Thanks, I'm planning on opening it up today and poking around with a plastic rod to see if I can isolate the source. I'll keep the dynamat in mind. I've heard of it before but forgot that it existed.

I'll post an update once I figure it out.
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>>4894727

So I think I found the issue. There is a bracket on the flyback transformer which screws directly to the case. The case amplifies the sound greatly. If you flick the case with your fingernail, it rings like a bell. I've decided I will try to put soft rubber washers between the case and the bracket, if the rubber is still too hard, I will try some foam cut from a mouse pad or yoga mat or such. Worse case scenario, I could potentially remove the bracket, but then the strain relief if provides will be gone, letting the board connections take any mechanical stresses from moving the tv etc. I doubt I will do this, I'll find a way, just talking worst case scenarios here.

Obviously with the case off this high pitch harmonic resonance disappears.
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>>4894792

Here is said bracket.
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>>4894792

Here is super simple fix. I had an unused toilet bowl gasket (the kind that goes between the tank and bowl) that is made of a very soft rubber. I just cut a piece of it and did pic related. It 100% got rid of the noise.
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>>4894897
Congrats op, one less for the scrap heap, post setup pic when you get a chance
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>>4894960

This is as much of a setup pic as can happen for a while:
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>>4894960
Here's a close up shot, could have probably done better but the phone camera is a pain in the ass.
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>>4895020
Sadly typical FD Trinitron geometry issues and is...is that a Genesis 3?

Glad you sorted the resonance though anon. Onwards and upwards eh.
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>>4895107
>Sadly typical FD Trinitron geometry issues and is...is that a Genesis 3?

Yeah, haven't messed with the geometry yet, I have other monitors and tvs, this was just a freebie from facebook marketplace. I'll mess in the service menu when I get the chance. The only really bad part is the upper left corner as you can see very clearly. Lower right corner also has a bit of strangeness going on. The picture does look pretty good and while I don't expect to be able to perfect the geometry by any means, it should be able to be improved some through the service menu.

It is a model 3. I bought this one back in the day when it was on clearance for $19.99, still have the box and all it's packing stuff.

I have several other genesis systems but this one is easy to test things with. It's native RGB like other genesis, has good video output, no jailbars etc. The only issue with model 3 is mono sound only and lack of compatibility to add ons. Honestly Genesis 3 are pretty decent as a stock unit except for the mono sound thing.

If I can get the geometry a bit more decent on this, I may try the jungle chip rgb mod just for a learning experience. I already have other monitors that accept rgb but I think it would be an interesting project.
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>>4895107
>is...is that a Genesis 3
Do a stereo mod to it, and the console is honestly one of the better Genesis models you can end up with. Really good composite, very clean RGB, audio is about as clean as you can get out of a Genesis and only has the potential downsides (ignoring mono) of using an asic with a 3438 and not a discrete 2612, and no Master System support
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>>4895359
>Do a stereo mod to it, and the console is honestly one of the better Genesis models you can end up with.

Is there a true stereo mod? I looked into it in the past and only ever found people wiring mono to both audio outputs.
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>>4895430
Yes. The asic has both left and right audio available; It's simply a matter of using the existing circuit for left and copying it for the right channel, then making sure they're both wired up to the AV out. It's the same as the Genesis 2, so it's got the proper spots for it.
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>>4895470
>It's simply a matter of using the existing circuit for left and copying it for the right channel,

Ok, that sounds very doable. I have schematics for it so I'll take a look at that. So if I'm understanding correctly, wire the existing audio to left pin in the output, pull right audio from the chip, copy amplification circuit and output that to the right output pin?
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My current setup in my bedroom I’m renting for trade school. A 1989 Zenith Space Command w/ matching Zenith VCR with both Genesis and NES hooked up to RF through an RF splitter. The picture isn’t as clear as some newer TVs with better connections, but it’s probably the most authentic.
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Shitty dark picture, but I just moved into a new house and played a favorite so it'd feel like home.
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>>4895538
Beautiful, that's pretty much flawless.
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>>4895480
The existing audio is a mono mix as far as I'm aware. So what you'd need to do is disconnect that, patch in one channel to make use of that circuit and then rebuild the same circuit for the other channel.

I've been wanting to try out doing it on my Genny3, but am lazy. If you go about doing it, lemme know.
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>>4895573
Thank you! I love this little tv and the vcr was perfect for it! The whole setup just kind of came together naturally. This wouldn’t look out of place in some teenagers room in the early 90’s.
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>>4893287
So i decided to try out the tv with some other systems today and the lines don't show up AT ALL on my SNES and PS1 on PSP video out. If the issue was with the tv itself surely the lines would show up no matter the input? Now i guess its either an issue with the component inputs or its the fucking cables like i thought from the start. Fuck it, i'll just buy some cheap PS3 component cables and see if it helps at all. Its a shame because the picture is gorgeous aside from this stupid issue.
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>>4895621

OK will do. So I've been searching for a model 3 VA2 schematic, the thing must not exist. This is what hours of googling has dug up. Apparently on pic and in any related posts they say these 3 signals are mixed then sent to the onboard LM324. Removing the "break here" will send mixed sound effects and left audio to the onboard LM324, then you take the right audio and send it through an additional added in LM324.

To me, this sounds like you could further simplify this but I'm coming up short. Many LM324 have 4 channels, meaning you could very well have each channel amplified by the same chip. I also cannot find the datasheet for the TI LM324 85a980f that this system uses. If the LM324 on the model 3 has multiple channels, there should be no reason to require an additional amp, probably just a matter of using the unused channels on the onboard one and possibly including some patch wires.

You obviously have to mix sound effects in somewhere, so I suppose leaving them in with left channel would be ok.

If anyone has or knows of a model 3 va2 schematic or the datasheet for the LM324 I would sure appreciate a link. I feel with the schematic I could figure this out. If worse comes to worse I can start probing the board.
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>>4895538
>>4895672
Looks great. Interesting that I've also been gaming on a rf only CRT with a NES and model 1 genny. I tried my snes on the tv but I'm not that into it. I'm not sure if it's larger sprites in general (feels like this is true but not sure) or that the genny has a dedicated rf video out but my genny looks/plays much better than my snes through rf.
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some guy in my area is giving away two really nice sony trinitrons. The late year ones in both a 40" and 36". I really want to grab them, but dont have the space for them. If anyone in the phili area is interested, id love to see these goto a good home.

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/zip/d/2-free-sony-trinitron-wega-hd/6617966415.html
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Is this the best I can expect from S-video? Or do I have a bad cable?
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>>4896924
Is this the best I can expect from S-video? Or do I have a bad cable?
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>>4896927
zoomed out
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>>4896927
I've seen s-video look a lot better. Your tv looks like it has a low line count
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>>4896927
>>4896929
It also looks like you have VM and/or the sharpness setting cranked way too high.
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>>4896927
>caring about video quality
get a better CRT
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>>4895538
Even though I'm a stickler for video quality, I like this setup a lot. If I didn't know any better, I'd believe that this photo was from 1989. If I ever got my hands on something like pic related, I'd love to do something similar.
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So I've been rgb modding a tv, got it working but there is one problem. The image is too bright.

I'm using a .1uf coupling capacitor before injecting the rgb into the jungle chip. If I want the image darker, could I try a lager cap (example .2uf)?

Am I thinking about this right, the larger the capacitor, the weaker the signal will be that gets through?
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How long before all CRTs are effectively dead? I'm saddened to think one day they'll be all gone, and I feel an urge to get as many as I can before they run out.
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>>4897895
There are CRTs from the 50s that still work perfectly today. When you are old and decrepit there will still be many CRTs running.
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>>4895538
What trade are you in? Thinking about going to trade school to be an electrician.
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>>4897895
I think with how big retro gaming has gotten, and how crt demand is rising it could be that

1. There will be a community of profesional repairman who can fix board related issues (this is happening now and probaly always will)
2. There will be professionals who specialize in CRT repair (still around)
3. There will be some spare parts manufacturing for parts related to crts that aren't as common regular resistors and capacitors
4. There will be some, but no where large spread, of new manufacturing of crt's.

Moving down the list becomes less likely it will happen
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>>4898000
I'm hoping that 3rd one becomes reality soon. One of my biggest worries about getting a BVM is having to shell out just as much as I paid for the monitor to get the input boards I need.
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Just curious, how many crt's do each of you own.
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>>4898035
3
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>>4898035
>Just curious, how many crt's do each of you own.
11, 13 if you count old computer monitors. I'm actually going to pick up a curved screen 27" trinitron tomorrow to rgb mod.
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>>4898035
4, but I plan on selling them all but 1
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>>4898035
Three of them. a 20M2U, 14M2U, and an 8041Q.
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>>4898035
I've lost count.

15+?
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>>4863550
Is there an ideal size for a CRT for gaming?

I got this monster today and I'm starting to have second thoughts.

For reference, a 360 gamepad and my previous trinitron bellow.
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>>4898454
Nothing is too large imo. My holy grail is an NEC XM37 Plus. I currently have a 32 inch consumer set with s-video.
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Would you recommend using a degaussing wand on a trinitron which has permanent discoloration on a portion of the screen after long term exposure to magnets?
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>>4897895
>JVC
I would trade you my BVM20F1U for that JVC. I love them high quality Shadow Masks.
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>>4897895
It's possible that one day all the big trinitrons, PVMs above 20", and whatever other interesting models you can think of will be exceedingly rare and the few that are still running will be heavily used and worn out, depending on a big variety of things like how popular this stays, exactly how durable they turn out to be over the decades and how successful on the large scale hobbyists are at fixing and restoring them, etc. There will always be 8" monitors and shitty early 2000s vcr combo sets tucked away in storage units and old people's homes that work fine and nobody cared to cart off for recycling though I think. The majority of antique electronics from the 50s and earlier that survived to become collectors items are the little bookshelf models not the full sized family room version. Great if you like Philco Predictas
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>>4877203
I saw incredibles 2, I guess I'm not the only one with this problem
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Its been awhile
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I know it's not fancy, but I got it for free on Craigslist. Feels comfy, man.
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>>4896969
Would you mind explaining what "VM" means?

I've read that it's a good idea to keep sharpness at zero, but have no idea why. Are you able to elaborate what the "sharpness" setting actually does? Thanks bruv
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Anyone know how to enter the service menu on a sony trinitron kv32xbr36? I tried those remote control codes I see online for some trinitrons but they don't work. Even googling the service manuals don't tell me the code.
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>>4898783
VM/SVM is Scan Velocity Modulation. It adjusts the speed of the beam drawing to the screen to (attempt to) give a sharper image with more definite edges between things. While this does technically work, it ends up adding tons of ringing artifacts to the image, and leading to large portions of the screen looking way to contrast-y with edge blooming from the inconsistent beam intensity,

It's similar to what most sharpness settings do, but much much more heavy handed.
As for the sharpness setting, I wouldn't even say you should have it at zero; It can genuinely clean up the image and make it look a bit nicer if used sparingly. As a rule, it's safe to raise it as high as you can without seeing ringing and other visual artifacts.

It could also a combination of your contrast and saturation being set a bit high, but it's a bit hard to tell to be honest. The text looks like it's being over-sharpened/hit with VM, but other portions of the screen look like the colors are being pushed a bit too far.
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>>4898603
>The majority of antique electronics from the 50s and earlier that survived to become collectors items are the little bookshelf models not the full sized family room version. Great if you like Philco Predictas

I was prepared for some tinfoil hat type shit, but this actually makes a ton of sense. The smaller ones get tucked away and forgotten, the big ones are an eyesore and take up space so they get replaced with more modern and compact (thinner) appliances.
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>>4898454
bunch of variables on that one. Where you sit. if you're playing with others. etc. 12-13" is good for close viewing to 2 max players(comfortably). while 32"+ are great for living rooms with 4 players.
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>>4899017
Thank you.
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>GTX 9xx is the last one video card series with native analog DVI
Guys, I'm scarred. How would you plug your CRTs to PC now? It's impossible to play old games otherwise without going blind and getting eye-cancer. Another god damn converter?
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guys I've never much been interested in CRT PC monitors but I just moved to a new city and figured I'd filter craigslist for some free/cheap CRTs and see someone giving away a "19 CRT Samsung Syncmaster 997df? (not sure about the letters), and also someone selling a ViewSonic E55, still sealed in the factory box, for $20. are these high quality PC CRTs?
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>>4898454
36 inch or 32?
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>>4899296
The Viewsonic is a smaller, lower end model.

The Samsung, while not a fantastic set, would be a pretty decent set; 19'', 96khz limit.

Did you have any plans for the sets, or?

>>4899208
There are a number of decent HDMI or DP to VGA adapters out there; They can cover a good portion of use cases, really all depends on the resolution/refresh you're looking to push. It's only once you get to higher res/refreshes that it becomes an issue.
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>>4899326

eh not really, I figured since it's free I'd dick around and see if the pictures good or not.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16882203101

this would be all I needed to hook up my SCART set-up to a PC monitor, yeah?
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>>4863550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeciQkxQYU
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>>4899326
Portta HDMI to VGA?
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This guy again:

>>4864228

I went ahead and bought a PVM 20M2U from the US because I'd given up on waiting for British listings. I bought a step-down converter so I can use it over here.

It arrived today. No power cable despite confirming with the seller that he would include it before buying. What should I do? I've asked the seller to send the lead separately now, but if he refuses and I have to buy one, what spec power cable do I need to get (pic shows the specs on the TV), and as a Brit where can I get US power cables in the first place? Sorry for needing spoonfeeding, I'm just worried about accidentally damaging something if I set it up wrong.

Thank you,
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>>4899574
plug is bog standard IEC like on PCs, that have a 16A rating IIRC.
either get a US cable or chop a cable and put the appropriate plug for your stepdown output.
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>>4899595

Thanks - fortunately the guy's offered to refund so I've ordered one with that.
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>>4899574
>actually paying over 400 sovs for that
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>he doesn't enjoy his CRT goodness outside on his back porch/patio/balcony in the shade of the summer heat of the Deep South while enjoying a nice ice cold glass of sweet tea

I'm sorry some of you will never know this level of comfy
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>>4899739
Outside sucks.
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>>4899424
That's the one I use for PS3/WiiU/Switch, it's good.

For PC usage, you're likely not going to be able to push stupid high resolutions+refreshes, but it will certainly work.
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>>4899739

>real world

Look at this faggot.
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>>4899789

Don't worry, I've got my 2virgin4u setup too
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>>4899739
>rains once
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>>4899739
>sweet tea
Die a beet us. Southern Sweet Tea is horribly oversweetened.
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Just copped my first PC monitor yesterday, bringing my CRT count up to four. I really only planned on using it for Melee netplay but it looks so good that I can’t NOT do something cool with it. As far as retro consoles go, only the Dreamcast supports VGA, right? I was thinking of maybe using it for arcade games, but I haven’t found a suitable solution yet. I’m not a big fan of emulation, so MAME is on the bottom of my list, but its ease and accuracy still makes it an appealing option. How hard/expensive/time consuming is setting up a supergun? I suppose a compromise could be some sort of FPGA system; do they make FPGA boards that simulate arcade hardware? I’m interested in hearing what you guys have to say, or what your arcade solutions look like. Thanks!
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>>4899802
Really nigga? Colette?
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>>4899017
That was a good explanation. Much appreciated.
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Can this cable do rgb or will it be y pb pr? Should I just go ahead and get an NTSC scart rgb converter and a bnc breakout for my pvms?

https://retro-access.com/collections/super-nintendo/products/snes-csync-bnc-and-rca-cable-pro-coaxial-multicore-for-pvm-monitor
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>>4900375
it's rgbs, not ypbpr. Says so right in the description. SNES can't do ypbpr out of the multi-out.
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>>4900390
thanks bro, im a bit of a dipshit
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>>4898643
>modern games on crt
based taste my friend.
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>>4900490
>>4898643
what is the crt model here newfriend?
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>>4900538
different posters anon. I'm the full image and that's my lacie electron blue iv 19"
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>>4900012
Arcade boards you can use it with directly are only high-res / 31kHz and up ones, which will often have a VGA connector on the board already.

For low-res/medium-res arcade boards you'd need a scaler.

There are a couple of FPGA based arcade/computer/console simulation platforms, FPGAArcade and MiST for example. Very few systems supported so far though compared to what you can do with software emulation.
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>>4900565
what exactly is the diff between a 15khz tv and a 24khz arcade monitor?
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>>4900552
4:3 aspect ratio?
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>>4900568

One displays 15khz, one displays 24khz. 30khz is twice the refresh rate as 15khz.
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>>4900583
what exactly does 24khz mean to a brainlet? fast refresh rate or something related to resolution??
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>>4900584
>what exactly does 24khz mean to a brainlet?

What is google you shitstain? Re-read the previous post, maybe slowly and it will dawn on you. Hint: It fuckins says it right there.
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>>4900565
Ah, that makes sense, minimum refresh rate is 30kHz. I suppose I should just browse System 16 for matching boards then. I looked at FPGAArcade and doesn't seem worth it at all; I'd rather just buy a PCB or two at a time and sell when I'm done with them. So it's either that or MAME. Anyways, thanks for the help man!
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>>4900591
I have before but I didn't get it, can you just tell me?
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>>4900648

Fucking google this phrase: what is the difference between 15khz and 24khz arcade monitor. You called me brainlet, sorry pal, but you're gonna have to do the legwork, I'm not spoon feeding you.
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>>4900656
>You called me brainlet
I called myself brainlet, you fuckin spaz
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>>4899306
It's a 36 incher

So, anyway, I just bought a component video cable for the Wii, but When I connected the cables, I got a stretched, distorted and twitchy picture (pic related)
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>>4900670
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_scan_rate

Read the example
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>>4900681
Your TV doesn't support progressive scan
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(continued from) >>4900681
This is the image that is supposed to be displaying


I already tried to reconnect the cables in the different sockets and I got incorrect colors but the same distortion, so, it seems to be a timing error.

I already checked and both my console and the TV are 60Htz NTSC.

Am I missing something or did I get faulty cables? Or is my TV just not 420p cabable? (It's a Sony Trinitron manufactured in 2003, btw).
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>>4900670

LMAO, sorry, I was in internet toughguy mode. Scroll down to the section what are the limitations of arcade monitors, it has a pretty good explanation. Basically, the higher the number the higher the resolution.
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>>4900692
>420p

Man I wish I was as stoned as you rn
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>>4900686
Thanks for the quick answer anon, you even responded before I could finish describing the problem.

>Your TV doesn't support progressive scan
Well, that sucks, that's what I feared.
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>>4900695
>420p
Obvious mistake, I meant 480p
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>>4900697
I mean. I don't think the number of consumer crt's that support 480p is very high. 480i looks just as nice on a good crt.
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>>4900701
i have the same tv, its 480i/240p only, absolute unit for n64 though, pic related
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>>4900702
IIRC they were calling 480p capable CRTs "Enhanced Definition (EDTV)" or something like that. But yeah, not very common at all.
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>>4900681
>>4900686
Oh, there's another thing:

I read that I can get a (marginally) better picture quality with component cables instead of composite, even if it's still 480i.

is it true?
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>>4900708
>I read that I can get a (marginally) better picture quality with component cables instead of composite, even if it's still 480i.

Component is a large improvement over composite. Svideo is a large improvement over composite.
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>>4900708
Yes. Component is going to be the best image quality you can get on most consumer crt's with it, even in 480i.
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>>4900717
>>4900724
>>4900706
Thanks anons. You are total bros.
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>>4900579
I played in 1920x1440 but the game letterboxes 4:3 so it was more like 1920x1080 iirc. been a while. was very smooth at 60fps/hz and the colour was amazing though, best way to play the game.
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>>4900754
whats the aspect ratio of the glass though?
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>>4900762
it's not an fw900 or w900 so I'm not sure why you'd think it's anything but 4:3.
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>>4900768
I looked up some pics of it and couldn't tell
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>>4900801
Well for future reference those two models I mentioned in the last post are the only widescreen PC monitors you're likely to ever see. There are others but they're even more rare, never heard of anyone having one. Here's another pic of my lacie in action, this is emulated and upscaled internally btw.
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>>4900830
what game and system?
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>>4900830
I'm >>4900012 and I must say I approve
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when a powersupply that isn't plugged in contacts water is it automatically dead? how come crts can survive the rain as long ast hey aren't plugged in? I don't get it
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>>4889943
do you have this vehicle?
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>>4901124
I wish. But your best bet for a CRT in a car if you're American would be an Oldsmobile Toronado's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY4zPRr5_ug
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>>4899739
enjoy drastically reducing the life of your caps by overheating them
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>>4899739
amen brother
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Hi, been a while. Not going to stay too long and faggot this place up again, but I've been cleaning out my collection and wanted to know if anyone here wants any of this before I junk it.

I don't want to junk it, but I really don't have much of a choice. Yeah I'm keeping my PVM and my Panasonic monitor.

That trinitron at the bottom is a pretty nice multiscan desktop CRT (30khz-70khz). Used it as a secondary monitor for a powerbook for years.

Anything you see here is free, though if you don't want to pick it up in northern indiana you'll have to pay shipping.
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>>4900945
>when a powersupply that isn't plugged in contacts water is it automatically dead? how come crts can survive the rain as long ast hey aren't plugged in? I don't get it

If no current is going through it, water does nothing. Hell, I know people who wash computer motherboards and keyboards in a dishwasher. The key is to thoroughly dry the boards, usually an isopropyl alcohol dip will drive out water, heat and time also helps. Water by itself does nothing, only when electricity and water mix do you get a problem.
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>>4901289
wtf how doesn't it get rained on?
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>>4901642
BTW neither of those C64's work, but the TI-99/4A works and the Mac Plus powers on but I don't have boot media for it to verify that the floppy drive works. The keyboard uses mitsumi mechanical linear switches, which feel very nice.
The IBM terminal's monitor controller board is busted, but the CRT tube itself is good and the logic board is also good.
(I know the CRT works because I swapped tubes with another monochrome system yesterday. I wanted to keep the amber phosphor tube.)

This thing in pic related is a TV repairman's dream if it works. There is a service manual and full schematic available online for it - it's a Lectrotech V-7. It can generate color bars, cross hatches, and dot patterns. It also has a vectorscope for viewing the YIQ color space in real time as displayed by the TV, and it has leads in the back with alligator clips that allow you to turn on and off individual electron guns temporarily to adjust purity and convergence easily, as well as to calibrate without a professional monitor's "blue only" switch.
The vectorscope itself powers on, but I think there might be other issues with it (probably just bad capacitors).
That tiny mini-TV works. The graphics card there works and has an S-video port, and is powerful enough for gamecube emulation with dolphin. The NES games are both crummy sports games but are available, the game genie works, and the commodore dot matrix printer would work if I had a ribbon for it.

So yeah lemme know if any of you want any of it before I disappear back into the night for another year
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>>4901656
Forgot pic related
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>>4901652

It's the equivalent of a selfie, it's only there for the pic. If I can force myself to be more trusting, maybe he just picks it up and moves it inside after he's done using it.
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>>4901657
price tags are from a garage sale I threw a lot of stuff in on a whim, knowing no one would buy it
The "fellow autist" price is free though, to avoid a recycler or goodwill.
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>>4901662
One last thing, a pic of a CRT I'm not getting rid of so I'm not just soliciting
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>>4901660
I was selling that TV and was waiting for the buyer to show up. Had the wii so I could prove it works and whatnot, plus something to do while I waited for the person.
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>>4901649
I thought there was enough current running through a power supply in the caps to kill you even if it was unplugged?
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>>4901657
Is that a raspi I see there? Does it work?
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>>4901265
lol who actually gives a fuck. I can find another TV for free
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>>4901739
No that's a PC motherboard and a USB hub
I have a MIPS CI-20 I don't need because it's defective and Imagination Technologies shows no signs of letting me get a replacement.

It's a real shame that we're on /vr/ and the one thing you see there and ask about is a rpi though.
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>>4901739
Oh there's also a "black knight" pinball machine computer board there
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Pic of the green monochrome CRT out of the case in case anyone wants to see it.

It'd be useful to know that most monochrome CRT's are easily swappable. They are much more standardized than color CRT's, so if the neck of any two monochrome tubes is the same thickness, then you can be pretty sure the deflection yoke is swappable. They pretty much all have the same pinout, and the neckboards are also usually swappable. So if you have a 10-12 inch monochrome CRT you want replaced, this is for you.
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>>4901790
pic?
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>>4864427
>literally any
No. Composite monitors are still better quality than a majority of composite TV's.

>>4864707
Wow, a PVM with a SCART connector
That's not very common. Good find, if the tube's not burned in with a timestamp or something.
>>4865408
Give me a photo or two; I'll tell you where the ground is.
>>4865509
That's a purity problem.
Make sure there's nothing like speakers nearby that are magnetic and could be causing interference.
That being done, try degaussing it first. If that fails, try rotating the rings on the yoke (if it has them.) Then if that fails and you feel brave you can unseat the deflection yoke, get a cross-hatch pattern going, and try to fix it with yoke adjustments.
>>4865571
Not with that crappy picture.
JVC gear is nice, but I bet that's composite only based on the lack of controls on the front.
>>4868654
Could just be that's an artifact that would usually be hidden by underscan
>>4869363
PSX
>>4870671
Show me a picture of what's fucked on it.
>>4871578
No
>>4875230
Could just be a trimmer dial on the PCB that controls vertical size.
>>4875434
That a PVM-1944Q? I have one of those. They are very nice.
>model III megadrive
Why?
>>4877497
Ask me because I have a PC CRT monitor (Trinitron, multiscan) I'm trying to get rid of so I don't have to recycle it
It's free if you can pick it up and otherwise it's whatever shipping costs
>>4877598
I successfully hooked a PC up to my 20L5.
You need to combine the horizontal and vertical sync pulses (IIRC a TTL XOR gate usually works.)
>>4877867
Most PVM's have shit speakers
Don't run audio through them
Problem solved
>>4878380
Looks beautiful. I don't like big pro CRT's because I prefer less visible dark areas between scan lines, but if you like that I'd go for the Mitsubishi since I don't know which 20" PVM you're referring to.
>>4878512
Don't use SCART unless you live in europe. Total waste of money and worse audio quality.
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>>4881195
>Some people are only interested in meme-tier scanlines. If they turned down a monitor because of that, they'd be awfully silly
Glad someone agrees with me
Hi kya
>>4884339
looking sharp.
>>4885056
>composite audio
my sides
>>4886480
see >>4886613
My 20L5 is also dimmer than a P22 monitor, though my 20L5 was in a TV station for years so it's probably a bit tired now too.
>>4887524
>PMV
>moniter
I'm astonished.
>>4887773
Pretty
Good game choice
>>4891240
I did this once after unseating and reseating the yoke on my 20L5.
Biggest pain in the ass ever. Never want to do it again.
>>4895538
>That wood grain
You are a person of fine taste
Also my grandparents used to have that exact TV. it's a nice set but the underscan is appalling unless you crack it open and fix it with trimmer potentiometers.
>>4895565
Hi 1944Q guy
>>4895672
I still love this TV
You have some nice games there
>>4897895
>How long before all CRTs are effectively dead?
All of mine but one work, and that one was an old IBM monochrome terminal screen so I'm not too fussed over it. My oldest CRT that I currently own is a 1987 Apple IIe composite monitor. Still looks superb.
It's gonna be like old cars. They'll become rarer as time passes but they won't vanish entirely.
>>4898454
12-14" IMHO
>>4901834
It's been so long that I've totally forgotten what tripcode I used
Doesn't matter anyway, I'm literally trying to give you all free stuff.
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>>4901815
>Give me a photo or two; I'll tell you where the ground is.

i'll have to take the shell off the back later this weekend to get a pic
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>>4901860
I might be gone again by then so I'll just try to give you an example of a ground.
I really just came by to offer some of my shit for free before I recycled it
(The 20L5 isn't free, it's a historical name I used here a few years ago. The free stuff is in >>4901642 )

With apologies for the poor quality. It's an old pic but the only one I have handy. That black alligator clip/test lead thing is clipped to a grounding point, which is in this case a spring between the tension band on the tube itself and some point on the other side of the tube I think. That point is hooked to the PCB somehow or another at a ground point.
This is an apple IIe composite monitor btw
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>>4901873
Another pic in case it helps at all

What I did wasn't really the safest possible method (see the binder clip? yeah) but it definitely worked.
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>>4901876
can I just ground the black to a piece of metal?
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>>4901945
depends on if that piece of metal is grounded in the TV chassis.

If it's a newish TV you can *PROBABLY* just hook it to the grounding wire on the power cable. But if it's an active chassis (old) TV, that's not going to help you.

All ground points are relative. Just clipping it to a sheet of aluminum next to the TV is in no way grounding it.
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>>4898509
It might not be caused by magnetization.
It could be purity or warping of the shadowmask.
See >>4865509.

Upload a photo and we will help you figure it out.
Use a solid field of color like yellow, green, or magenta.

If you do get a degausser you will you need one of those big ring ones not the small chink sticks.
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>>4899739
This feels pretty comfy desu ngl.
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>used BVM 20F1U on Craigslist
>"only" 6800 hours
>$2200
Hey man, what the fuck?
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>>4902092
Pro 15khz CRT prices have been getting ridiculous for years now. At least half a decade, probably longer.

I'd recommend just getting a decent round-screened, non-slim consumer set with YPbPr - i.e. a late 90s CRT TV of reputable make and not just 'the-first-one-I've-seen-on-a-streetcorner,' and calling it a day. If you need 480p, I'd additionally get a PC CRT, preferably a multiscan one (Like the one I'm giving away free if anyone wants it, for instance).

There is a difference in 'quality,' but it's not major once you have a YPbPr non-slim and non-flat TV set.
It also pays to be patient, as I said above. Don't just swoop in on the first CRT you find anywhere, because if you find a better one later getting rid of the crappy one you picked up is a major hassle.
(I'm trying to get rid of stuff right now and it's really awful because I feel guilty knowing that perfectly fine tubes are going to be scrapped.)

Also, if you have a little more money to spend, but just not PVM money, old 80s/early 90s computer monitors are good.

Good choices would include Commodore/Amiga monitors, of which there are a shitload of different kinds (see https://gona.mactar.hu/Commodore/monitor/Commodore_monitors_by_time.html ), and lots of third party options made by Sony, Panasonic, JVC, Magnavox, Heath/Zenith, and the like. Apple monitors, too, but those get expensive on ebay.

(There are also always more difficult options like importing a SHARP X-1 monitor if you really want to pay a lot in shipping.)

Commodore monitors tend to look really good, speaking from experience. Just be sure yours supports _analogue_ RGB signals.
The following are the commodore monitors that support at least analogue RGB @15.6khz:
1070, 1080, 1081, 2002, 1084, 1084S, 1083, 1083S, 1085, 1803, 1084ST, 2080
Some multiscan ones that can do at least 15.6khz to 31khz:
1950, 1960, the Ranger series
Some bi-scan (only 15.6khz and 31khz, no others):
1940, 1942 (I have this one)

A lot of monitors to choose from
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>>4902171
Looks like this one's available for $200 or so right now
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223057921950
The 1084 and 1080 appear to be on ebay the most often of them, based on a quick 'sold listings' check.
Probably because the only amiga that had any headway at all in the US was probably the 500.
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>>4902192
>>4902171

Can you answer this, please? Thanks:

>>4901725
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>>4902092
The price is fucked, but the hour count is actually rather good. Even when worried about having things up to actual broadcast spec, tube swaps wouldn't come about until 30k, and for the sort of stuff you're likely going to be using it for, you could push that number up a decent amount further

Even if you were to run the thing 24/7, 365 for over two and a half years, you still wouldn't hit that 30k count.

>>4902390
There is nothing "running" through a capacitor when it isn't in use. It is/can be holding a charge well after it's been unplugged however.

Usually, a rained on set that still works once dried out has had some amount of time for that stored energy to discharge naturally on it's own, and additionally would need a decent-ish amount of water to pool up and short the cap out to something else.

>>4901841
Howdy
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>>4878380
Megaview for $400? Very nice. Jealous
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got this 8044Q a year ago for $40 when I fell for the rgb meme. vastly underestimated how small 8 inches is. 450 lines in 8 inches isn't bad though
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>>4902648
It seems cute though. Might be convenient for a small setup or complementing a larger setup
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>>4902707
yeah I need to get a decent sized rgb monitor. then I could leave the 8 inch for gameboy or something. if only they weren't $300+
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>>4901841
>Hi 1944Q guy
You got the wrong guy.
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>>4902390
Capacitors can hold a charge when unplugged, but this can be discharged by putting a screwdriver across the leads.
(but DON'T DO THIS)
If you do it and there's enough power charged up it could be dangerous and zap you, or spot weld the screwdriver to the capacitor leads.
Ideally you should leave it off for a long period of time, if you want to do the screwdriver thing.
A high wattage (very fat) resistor is preferable for discharging large capacitors. just put its terminals on the cap leads and hold it there.
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My remaining collection after the "I have too much crap" purge
Plus a PVM-1944Q in a different room
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>>4903152
sick oscope brah
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>>4903156
Thanks. I like it a lot.
I just wish it was a two-channel one.

It IS also a vectorscope though, which is nice.
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>>4903157
did you get rid of all the other stuff? there is some stuff I would like but im hesitant to give an address to a random 4chan guy
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>>4903176
Ask Kya, I'm pretty trustworthy. Some here don't like me, but I did an RGB mod for a SNES mini for an anon on here once so it's not exactly my first rodeo.

Also, if you're on IRC, I'm sometimes on #nesdev and #classiccmp under a different handle. If you want to take that route, let me know and I'll give you a 'shibboleth' phrase to say
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>>4903185
(also some people on those IRC channels can vouch for me. I did a Genesis VA7 S-video mod and mega amp mod for someone on #nesdev and have been a regular there for a number of years.)

I really don't want to recycle this stuff, so please reach out if you want something. It'll be free besides shipping if you don't want to do pickup. I swear I'm a nice enough guy in person though.

Pic: reminder of available stuff if anyone missed it
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So when I hook my genesis up via rgb, the top right corner (like 1/8 of the screen) seems to fold in, like a dog-eared book page. Any ideas on what might cause this? It's on several monitors, even on pvms if I pull the overscan way in. It happens on my model 2 and model 3 genesis both.

>>4901781
>It's a real shame that we're on /vr/ and the one thing you see there and ask about is a rpi though.

Not him, but I I weren't 10 hours away I'd come check the stuff out.
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>>4903195
In case it got missed:
the thing in the big antistatic bag under the GPU card is a "Black Knight" williams pinball logic board, from the first pinball game with a two level playing field.
It worked when I pulled it from a pinball machine a couple years ago (the owner refurbished it by replacing all the PCB's with new reproductions for future-proofing)
>>4903198
Photo please.
Does it happen with any other (non genesis/mega drive) systems? Is your sync line connected? How are you connecting it? Is there an inline sync stripper or buffer or anything? Genesis systems can have problem with their csync signals if used directly because they are output from open collector transistors. They need buffering by IC's to work reliably.
A lot of SCART cables (which I don't use personally) avoid this mess by just stripping the sync signal from composite video with an LM1881. Last I knew, that's what the "retrogamingcables.uk" site did
>>4903198 (again)
I can mail stuff to you. I checked the shipping cost on the mac plus and it looks like it's $20-30 to ship USPS to new york state. I doubt the big fat trinitron would be more than $50 or $60.
I can tell you that it all works except the C64's. I can also make videos if you want evidence.
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>>4903207
(and while I have no boot media for the mac plus, I am sure it would boot if booted from a SCSI drive, and have no reason to believe the floppy drive is bad but it's a possibility.)
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>>4903152
So does the 20L5 live up to the hype, or are there better monitors that could be had for cheaper? I ask because I plan on getting at the very least a 14L5 soon.
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I have a standard IBM monitor. Is the glass part of monitors supposed to be gray when off? It's kind of bothering me how not black it is
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>>4903215
This is my most controversial opinion (or at least it was a couple years ago.) People called me 'contrarian' for saying it.

I like smaller monitors with less pronounced black lines between the scan lines. The 20L5 is a bit big for my tastes (at least for 240p), but it's still excellent for everything else.

If you want multiscan, the *L5 series are very good. The only thing I know of that exists that doesn't work is 24khz. That's used by some arcade gear and the Sharp X68000 in some video modes.
I _think_ the Sony GVM-2020 works with 24khz, plus 15.6 and 31khz (which the L5's can do). However, those use (IIRC) P-22 phosphors (less accurate but brighter), are older, and appear to be harder to come by.

I do like playing 480p games on my 20L5, but at 20" the scan lines are too narrow and the black areas between them too big for my tastes unless I'm far away from the screen.

The Commodore monitors are pretty good, too, or at least mine is. Some of them support multiple scan modes. Hard to find though. These are also P-22 usually. Maybe always.

If you _don't_ need multiscan, I absolutely love my Panasonic BT-H1390YN for 240p RGB gaming. A 14L5 looks like it'd be really nice for that kind of thing, based on old photos that Kya (I think?) posted a couple years ago. I think it's primarily because they're smaller screens, and the scan lines (the illuminated areas, not the black zones between them) are larger, so the black lines are narrower and less noticeable but still present. That said I love the tri-dot somewhat "fuzzy" feel. It's still really sharp, so I don't think fuzzy's really a good word.

Pic is of my 20L5 in 240p
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>>4902648
It must be awkward playing video games while holding a magnifying glass.
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>>4901972
>It could be purity or warping of the shadowmask.
It may be purity, then. What would you recommend as a solution? I was thinking of using magnet strips on the inside of the chassis to correct it.
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>>4903218
What IBM monitor? Is it monochrome? Is it early IBM? Late IBM?
Also yeah a lot of CRT's have non-black phosphors. That's normal for high grade color phosphors and some kinds of monochrome ones.

This pic is of my Panasonic BT-H1390YN (the JVC BM-H1400PN is exactly the same; at the time, Panasonic (Matsushita corp., really) owned JVC.)
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>>4903236
You think that's small?
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>>4895020

This isn't my main setup, just a consumer set I've been working on an rgb mod for. Overscan isn't adjusted correctly and the whole image needs to shift to the right, but this really highlights the part I'm talking about. It's not just screen geometry either, it's something with the picture output because it's on multiple displays. The set is way to bright now too, but I'm waiting for some trim pots and some switches to come in the mail to dial it in.

It's only on the genesis. I believe it is using composite video for sync with nothing in that line if I'm remembering correctly. It's whatever sync the genesis puts out without mods. It's using the pinout here (second one down): http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm

I do have a few LM1881 chips as I've used them in some other adapters I've made. I'm getting ready for bed, but I thought of a super easy test to try the sync stripper. I have female scart to bnc for my pvm, made several, I believe one doesn't have a sync stripper in it, but most do. I'll try both and shrink the picture so I can see the overscan area and see if it goes away. I'll try to post in the morning with results.
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>>4903238
Better pic, I remember that I took that other photo before I actually ironed out the sync problem on my genesis and it has a couple video artifacts as a result

This is more what it looks like
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>>4903245

Please ignore that trinitron picture quote, it has nothing to do with the post, I thought it showed it, but it's just flatscreen geometry.
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>>4903246
and my favorite old CRT porn pic
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>>4903252
For comparison, same on my 20L5

I'd expect the 14L5 to look closer to the panasonic picture in terms of "scan line thickness," but with the phosphor style of the 20L5 obviously. Would probably look really good.

If you get the 14L5, take a pic so I can compare!
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>>4903185
which network? rizon?
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>>4903256
Shit, I'm really sorry for triple posting, but I posted a lower resolution of the 20L5 pic than the h1390yn pic which isn't really fair.
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>>4903259
#nesdev's on efnet, #classiccmp's on freenode.
I am on rizon, too, but only #3dshacks and a couple scanlator channels from a group I used to be in.
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>>4903185
>>4903262
ok, tell me your handle and give me the phrase, I will find you bro
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>>4903269
eh, ok, I guess i'll change my nick for a bit. Was just going to have you say the phrase in public chat and then i'd PM you

I changed it to robert_f_kennedy for the time being in rizon, so you can just pm me directly. Don't need to go to any channels or whatever though. I had to back out of them to change my nick and only people registered with nickserv can talk in #3dshacks. Just join the network and /msg me directly
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>>4903273
Might be a little distracted, though, since I'm taking apart a powerbook G4 to replace the hard disk right now and it's past 2AM
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>>4903230
>20L5 in 240p
the dtv1700 series of monitors is far better desu
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>>4903281
Yeah those are nice sets
But my 20L5 was free, so I'm not going to complain about it (too much). I'm happy with what I have.
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>>4903252
Interesting. My current monitor is a PVM-14N6U, which has one of the lowest TVL counts of any PVM at 500. Nonetheless, everything looks very bright and crisp, even with just S-Video.
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>>4903256
>>4903260
Dot Trio > AG > Sony AG wyatt8740

>>4903293
AGs are usually bright anyway. Yours kinda just looks like a consumer set. Fairly blurry like one too.
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>>4903301
Ack I've been doxed
I tried so hard to avoid that, especially when I posted videos from my own youtube account years ago.
>>4903293
I could tell without reading your description that that was S-video. It's pretty noticeable difference.
The luma is sharp, but there's a noticeable lack of punch in the colors due to limitations inherent to Y/C as generated by the snes.
The actual quality of your tube is likely just fine, but s-video is what's dragging you down. You don't really need huge numbers of TV lines when the snes really only outputted 256 pixels per line. a 300TVL set would theoretically be plenty good enough.

There's nothing inherently wrong with aperture grilles. I just prefer dot trios for myself.
If you like aperture grilles, go for it by all means. They're still great monitors.
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>>4903301
and that is a very nice looking screen btw, but the raster scan lines are a bit thin for my tastes.
Excellent convergence though.
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reminder that this is the guy you're talking to
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So my AMD GPU died recently and now I have to survive with my Intel 4600 HD for a while.

I used CRT Emudriver before and custom super resolutions for this shit but of course, that only works with AMD GPUs.

Any way of achieving something similar with Intel graphics? Also, is there something similar for nvidia GPUs or am I restricted to just buy another AMD GPU if I want to do this shit again?
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>>4903651
No idea about Intel (probably not) but any Nvidia Quadro card will allow custom resolutions.
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Probably going to sound stupid, since I don't know much about how video works. Anyways:

Would something like this work for something like the Wii or PS2? Let's say that I don't have RGB SCART cables for them, but I do have YPbPr cables. Would it be essentially the same thing, not work at all or have any differences?
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>>4903293
Just a small tip, if you want to get rid of those strange lines that cameras give, change the shutter speed (if it's an android just swipe right and select pro mode). I find depending on the setup 1/30-1/15 will get rid of most weirdness caused by the camera. I usually play around with manual focus too while I'm at it.

>>4903559
What in the actual fuck...

>>4903562
A system that's dead easy to send rgb from the multiout... let's drill holes. A system that outputs RGB natively... let's drill holes! Fucking make or buy the proper cables (they are dirt cheap). SNES jr/mini takes about $5 worth of components to properly RGB mod, drilling the holes would literally be more work than doing the mod correctly. $5 mod and $5 cable an it works perfectly and looks unmolested.
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>>4903195
>>4903195
I'm willing to pay shipping to take that mac plus off your hands. How do you want me to contact you? IRC?
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>>4902648
I like it, and honestly, for that price, ya can't go wrong even if the latter generation games start to show how a bigger screen might be needed. If your the only one playing it then keep it.
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>>4903651
Not sure about newer stuff, but I know I managed to get (considerably) older Intel Integrated graphics to output 240p in loonux before. Certainly not a simply solution, but in a pinch it's something.

>>4903767
Welcome to 2+ years ago.
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>>4904029
doesn't retroarch have a 240p setting now? I have no idea how to get it to work but I have seen videos on it, any help big man?
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>>4904029
>Welcome to 2+ years ago.

Yeah, I know that's how it used to be done, been seeing stuff like this since early 2000s. I just wish there was as much information on how to do clean mods as there is these old hack jobs. Example, the TRRS jack on an AV modded Atari Jr. Thing mounts where the stock RF connector used to and is very stealthy. Sure, there's info out there, but most times when you look at mods others have done it's those fucking composite ports sticking out or horribly aligned and disfigured holes.

It's no wonder that people get pissed that others mod original hardware, but if done nicely you often can't tell anything has been changed without opening the case. The best mods are fully reversible without cutting traces etc.
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>>4903767
I did that on my own systems because I'm not rich and prefer having easily available cables of known high quality
Also the csync from the genesis SCART cable (SCART being unnecessary bullcrap for non-euro people btw) is actually pumped through a sync stripper rather than being used straight from the pure csync line on the DIN connector because the retrogamingcables.uk guy was too dumb to figure out that you need to buffer an open collector signal
>>4903562
thanks, I'd lost that picture

When I modded that SNES mini for someone here, I was sent the SCART cables anon had bought with it and so I used those to test my mod instead of drilling holes. I have no actual problems with SCART beyond how unnecessary it is and how annoying it is to get connectors in the US.
>>4904141
i've done stealth mods before when I actually cared. But since these are my personal consoles I don't intend to ever sell, I'm not too bothered by it.
I also have no intention to ever reverse my mods (Why would I want to reduce functionality? Really, why?).
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>>4903814
>I'm willing to pay shipping to take that mac plus off your hands. How do you want me to contact you? IRC?
That'd work.
still robert_f_kennedy on rizon as of now
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>>4904168

Honestly it doesn't matter for your own personal consoles but since I don't usually mod for others, I try to make mine as clean as I can. It doesn't make sense to reverse a mod, but I like the option, probably no real sense to that though.

Scart is pretty dumb but fortunately even most cheap cables don't cause interference, at least that is detectable on a crt. The only time I've got interference was in audio lines so I usually do a breakout almost immediately. I guess the good part about scart cables is that they usually have all the correct internal wiring and pins, so even if you ditch the head, it makes it decently easy to make your own cables.

I'm kind of in between phases now. I started out with all scart because back then I lacked an RGB capable monitor. I used a retrotek rgb to component adapter so scart made the most sense. I have a crosspoint, so I'm kind of at the point I need to make BNC cables, but I still use the scart on my larger consumer sets. I've been using the monoprice bnc cables since they are well shielded and you can cut them in half to get 2 cables from each. I should just make 2 styles for each system.
Anyway, sorry for the book/blog, I got wordier than I wanted to.
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>>4904296
You sound sane and reasonable to me
The ability to reverse a mod easily is something that I understand the 'aesthetic' appeal of. And I usually just use shielded RCA connector coax cables and BNC adapters at the ends. Probably a tiny impedance mismatch there, but nothing life threatening unless you're daisy-chaining a dozen devices together with them.
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>Purchase a Commodore 1084
>Only has composite and some weird TTL RGB shit that looks like an oversized socket for s-video
>Plug in PS1 using Composite
>Works fine but there's no color at all
>Adjust the knobs for color
>Doesn't work
>Get my PS4 and convert HDMI to composite/s-video
>Plug it into the CRT
>It now has color
Can anyone tell me what's going on here?
>Also the resolution of the screen warps when anything happens onscreen
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Why does it seem like readjusting a Trinitron yoke is one of the most difficult things ever jesus. Do tv repair places even bother helping out with this sort of shit nowadays or do you need to know a guy that actually knows how to dick around in a crt tv.
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>>4900012
Bumping this if anyone has any other ideas for how to use this monitor. I think I'm gonna go buy a VGA box for my Dreamcast today, and I've been considering doing a retro PC build. >>4900565 mentioned arcade PCBs with VGA out, and so far all I've been able to find were NAOMI and Atomiswave boards. Any other ones you guys know about and would recommend?
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>>4904204
Alright I messaged you
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I'm the guy who got a free 1271Q that had a 3rd party touch screen installed, and I finally got around to taking it out. In some ways it was a boon because the screen beneath was untouched, and it was already quite a bright image.
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>>4904524
lets see the sides of the open frame!
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>>4904524
Very impressive tvl on this thing
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>>4904529
Whoops! Already put it back together
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>>4904168
The way that's made looks like the first guitar pedal I ever built. Which still works, for the record.
Now I just design PCBs and order them because it's cheap.
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>>4903749
I'm not sure what you're asking, you seem to be posing the question "will this work", and that's about all.

The device you posted is simply an adapter, it takes in the signal from the SCART and separates the RGB & Sync signals into individual RCA jacks. The image description is confusing, as it says RGB and Component, however I don't believe using YPbPr Component in SCART cables is common. This adapter would be useful for PVMs and other RGB capable devices that lack SCART.

Assuming you're in Ameriland, as YPbPr is an option, go for that and avoid SCART altogether. If your question was if it's worth switching to RGB over YPbPr then the answer is definitely no. They have identical quality. It's far simpler and will save money. My entire setup uses Component and it's very simple to stick with American signals compatible with things that aren't PVMs.

The PS2 and Wii have controversial YPbPr signals that are slightly off from their RGB signals, more specifically the Wii, but that's just the video encoders problems, nothing to do with the video signal itself. So unless you're turbo autist videophile, don't fret and just stick with YPbPr.
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>>4903651
Linux, as Kya notes. If you're going to get another GPU don't bother with the quadro, just get something for crt_emudriver 2.0.
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>>4901815
>It's free if you can pick it up and otherwise it's whatever shipping costs
What state you in brah?




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