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Can we get a comfy Mother thread?
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>>5036416
still haven't beat the game.. stuck on the pillar men...
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>>5036424
>le
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>Boney it's a final party member
>You don't kill him as intended following the unused graphics
>Final boss and possibly ending totally changed because muh kids
>we will never know what the fuck was all about that fukced up angel demon Claus thing
I fucking hate this timeline
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>>5038171
Honestly I think it's better this way.
If Mother 3 was darker, had more deaths and dramatic stuff, people would shit on it even more for being a typical JRPG with one-winged angels and shit.
Also, I remember Itoi saying that the reason why he changed things was because he "became a better person" (whatever that means), not because muh kids.
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>Little blonde crybaby, pink haired slut, cripple and a dog
3 really does have the worst party members, doesn't it?
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>>5038180
I'm pretty sure it was because it woud scare the kids and because the story would backstab the player or something like that.
The darker story would have given it more attention, bad and good.
>>5038184
Kumatora is better than the blondes honestly but that's because those two barely have any screentime unlike Lloyd and Jeff. I stil don't understand ehy the fuck they thought Boney as a final party member was a good idea.
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>>5036416
I liked Boney as a party member, found him useful (turn one item spam is great), and there were plenty of great gags involving him such as the one in OP's pic.
Kumatora and Duster were cool too, and Lucas is just as good as Ness and Ninten.
M1 is my favorite Mother game, though.
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>>5038219
>I'm pretty sure it was because it woud scare the kids
Why are you sure? It's not what Itoi said. Why would he lie about it?
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>>5038272
Because admiting to change your vision to please your audience means you're not confident in your visions and Itoi takes the artistic merit of his work very seriously
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>>5040518
But he never said anything about pleasing anybody, did he?
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>>5038219
>Kumatora is better than the blondes
Imagine being this retarded
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>>5038171
>3 would have been more stereotypical and retarded then it actually is
No thanks
>>5040756
Can you read?
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>>5041031
>not liking Kumatora
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>>5041038
She is literally only good for porn. Everything else about her is just bland and stupid, plus she has worse PSI than any other party member from the last two games
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>>5041038
>actually thinking kuma is better than ana or paula
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Why are the other two games such shit in comparison to 3?3 is a masterpiece of writing where as 1 has a shit story and 2 has no story at all. 3 has amazing charecters and charecter relationships, where as the other two games have bland reapeats. 3 has amazing funny humor where as 1 has no humor and 2 is just Reddit memes.
The other two are so bad they're not even worth talking about, why is this?
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>>5041038
She's a shota addicted psychopath with no redeemable qualities.
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>>5041079
>implying Paula doesn't dom Ness regularly
He's her bitch and he knows it.
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>>5041084
It's the other way around boyo, Nessie is a chad.
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>>5041090
Wrong. Paula has better powers and a dominant personality, Ness is a weak submissive.
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>>5041090
Lucas is the only chad mother MC. The others were saved by their gfs.
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>>5041096
>Lucas
>Chad
He's basically Luigi in a little boy's body.
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>>5041108
He actually killed his final boss.unlike the other two weaklings.
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lucas is a sissyboy and can't even get a girl on his benis like ninten and ness can
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Why is Apple kid such a huge fuck you to the player?
Orange Kid is the only one of the two who mentions Greatful Dead Valley out right. the only way you could possible know to choose Apple Kid is either by Trail and Error, dumb luck, or by knowing to from outside sources
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>>5041371
>apples vs oranges
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>>5041031
Gee anon which is better? two generic love interest that BARELY talk or a character that at least gets one screentime and dialogue.
>Inb4 muh old games
Completely wrong, the old nerds are way much better than duster.
Lloyd saves your ass and it's a must on the story and Jeff gets some screentime and it's pretty damn useful.
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>>5041117
No he just stood there and let Claus kill himself, the other anon was right, it could be said he won by doing nothing. We could have an epic final battling demon claus but no, we got le ebin endurance battle because muh brotha!
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>>5041092
Paula barely has personality.
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>Kumatorafags infesting this thread
There's a part of me that wishes she was a Magypsy so you faggots wouldn't shit up Mother threads desu.
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>>5038184
I actually really liked Duster and Kumatora.
Lucas and Boney were both pretty boring, though. I'd have rather been Claus.
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>>5041957
Boney is great because he always goes first, so he can save your ass by quickly healing your characters after taking a lot of unexpected damage, and once you get the Shield Snatcher, all protected enemies will stop giving you trouble until the end of the game.
I liked Boney better than Salsa, and Salsa was already a good character.
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>>5038184
I dunno, Mother 2 just rehashed Mother 1's characters
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How anybody can prefer an obnoxious. pink haired dyke raised by trannies to a cute, kind blonde girl who takes care of children is beyond me.
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>>5042117
Salsa is shit and so is Boney, the going first thing wasn't that useful or redeems having his deathweight trough the whole game.
>>5042157
Except Poo
>>5042159
Maybe because she barely does anything the whole game.
I'll never understand Ana/Paulafags, those two are pretty damn generic and don't do much on the story.
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>>5042810
>Not enjoining jrpgs
Haha! enjoy your shit games that only lasts two days cuck.
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>>5042806
>the going first thing wasn't that useful
Not the other anon, but I found it extremely useful.
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>>5042810
>Please stop talking about retro games in a genre I don't like
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>>5041084
Ness and Paula are too pure for that you faggot, stop projecting your Lucatora degeneracy onto these two.
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Any news on Mother 4?
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>>5038219
>>5038184
>>5038219
>>5041038
>>5041079
>>5041108
>>5041879
>talking about a non-retro game on /vr/
>>>/v/ is that way
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Is Ness really as fat as some of the NPC's make him out to be?
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>>5036507
hardest fight in the game, only way i could do it was by cheesing them
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>>5044516
Itoi confirmed Animal Crossing is Mother 4.
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Were they chimeras?
What was their deal?
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>>5046939
Did Giygas have the ability to create Chimeras and shit?
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>>5047654
If a filthy human like Porky could, I don't see why Gyiyg couldn't.
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>>5047701
True, now that I think about it a lot of the weird enemies in 1 and 2/EB could be Chimeras, the Cerebrums come to mind.
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>>5047654
>>5047701

Giygas probably COULD HAVE, had he attempted to do so, but he never showed that inclination. Instead he just corrupted existing people and animals and threw robots and aliens at shit. That and his supremely powerful psychic powers, which he used to corrupt people, were his whole gimmick in both games.

Porky meanwhile threw animals into the mixer because he thought it was cool and badass. That was the whole mission statement for the pork army.

>>5046939
They were just dudes with strong psychic powers. The flames around them are from PSI Fire, which they spam in combat.
Who knows why they wear that goofy helmet. Maybe it was to help control their powers, or maybe it helped keep them in line for Giygas.
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>I want to get into Mother series
>get handed this zip file
>WTF
>Do research on who demiforce are and what the USA prototype is
>After all of that, still don't know which to play

seriously help me out; which do I play?
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>>5047980
None of these. Play Earthbound (SNES) aka Mother 2 instead first, followed by Mother 3 (GBA). Mother 1 fucking sucks and EarthBound rehashes most of its shit from it anyways.
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>>5041371
If you talk to NPC's everyone is saying how great Orange Kid and how rich he is while they all look down on Apple Kid and how he can't even afford food. You shouldn't care about the invention and more about helping the kid that actually needs money to survive which in the end comes back to pay you back.
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>>5047654
what the hell is going on in that picture?
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>>5047980
"Earthbound (U) (Prototype).nes" should be a straight dump of the English beta cart, it will probably work on modern emulators. If it doesn't, just run the latest version of the Demiforce hack, which from what I recall, was renamed Earthbound Zero just as a way to differentiate it from the SNES game.
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>>5047980
Here's what I suggest.
>take "Earth Bound (USA) (Proto).nes"
>apply the patch below
This is what I consider the ultimate version of Mother. This is the original nes version but with an improved script and removal of any censorship present in the original English script.

Here's the patch.
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3623/
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>>5048047
>>5041371
Yeah I got the impression you would be supposed to pick the more unpopular kid from the get go.
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>>5048047
On my first playthrough, I remember giving money to both. They both said they'd invent shit for me, and it wasn't that much money, so whatever.
If anything Orange Kid was more like a joke in the same vein as the house in Onett.

Which I still buy every single playthrough.
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>>5048693
I wish you could enter the house at the end of the game when the invasion happens. Every single door in Onett is shut except for Ness' house.
The broken house should be accessible though, nobody is supposed to be inside. I wanted to see the sea landscape at night.
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>>5041079
>shota addicted psychopath
I played mother 3 like a month ago and she straight up doesn't talks to Lucas outside of very story related issues
Is that shota meme just perpetuated by the hordes of tumblr artists somehow liking Kumatora (Perhaps because of the short pink hair) pairing her with Lucas?
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>>5048785
Newsflash: Most people who hate on Kumatora haven't actually played the game, and don't realize how truly unimportant she is.
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So what were Ness and Jeff fighting in Moonside if it was all an illusion?
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>>5048829
Nothing, they were apparently just wandering around the storeroom attacking thin air until they fought the Mani Mani Statue and broke it.

Now if the Mani Mani statue was the culprit of the illusion I think was actually Ness's doing and why it also takes the form of Ness's Nightmare later in the game.
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>>5048829
The Mani Mani Statue was real. Everything else was an imagination produced by the statue. As for Mr. T understanding the invisible person, he just got warped from Twoson from the memory of Ness seeing him there. The invisible person has a similar sprite palette to that False Jeff NPC or Orange Kid, which is possibly what Mr. T saw.
>>5048962
How would you explain how Ness and Jeff were confined to small areas with limited space and how they had to "teleport" by talking to multiple clones of Hawaiian shirt wearing Duke Nukem?
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>>5041096
Lucasfags are bottom tier humans
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>>5045603
In that shithole? Nah.
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>>5047980
Earthbound (U) (Prototype).nes, definitely don't listen to this redditor >>5048040.
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>>5049307
>How would you explain how Ness and Jeff were confined to small areas with limited space
Probably walked into walls without a care or moved much differently in the real world then the world they were seeing. They were pretty much on drugs.

>how they had to "teleport" by talking to multiple clones of Hawaiian shirt wearing Duke Nukem
Again, they were basically on drugs; even what you said sounds like a story someone would say they experienced while taking LSD or shrooms.
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What's Ninten's favorite food?
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>>5049410
GBA is an official unofficial /vr/ console though. While technically against the rules, the janitor has always been very lenient with it.
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>>5050302
Prime Rib
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I'm about to finish a playthrough of Mother 2, I was using the last default names, John, Yoko, Paul and George.
It's kind of funny to think of them as the beatles, Poo being George actually makes sense.
I kept mistaking Paul for Paula though, some times Yoko (Paula) died and I wanted to revive her, I wasted PSI trying to revive Paul (Jeff) instead.
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>>5047942
>Who knows why they wear that goofy helmet
because they're chuuni, man
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I've been meaning to buy an english cart of 3 for ages now, is it any better on actual hardware?
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>>5048040
I can guarantee you that the people who say Mother 1 sucks/is grindy have never played DQ or any other Famicom/NES RPG.
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>>5051778
>pippi's feet
so cute
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>>5051778
>Can only equip and make use of the Slingshot
>Stat growths go neck and neck with Teddy's
>262 Attack over Teddy's maximum 313 Attack
>Limited to Podunk, the zoo, the cemetery, and 2-4 tiles somehow connected to Merrysville before being taken back to the mayor
>4+ people got her to Level 99
Only the best from a temporary party member, without a doubt.
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It's obvious this original twist/backstab was gonna be Lucas fighting Klaus before realising you/Lucas were the bad guy, and pulling the last needle would end the world not save it.

The ending is better instead, more emotional
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I made this in to a printable file for anyone with a 3D printer. It's based off a Smash Bros trophy, I just made it a shell inside so it is more sturdy and uses less material.
This is about 5 inches tall at 650% scale.

https://mega.nz/#!0mpXQD4Y!PVYbh6VkyZItd6aRLtyTTRUY3WS23EwEXaXNnshPy6w

These guys were always my favorite enemy.
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I still maintain that 1 has the best and most soulful soundtrack out of the Mother games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-uNMPU6GtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w6siYk_Ge0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebu38NZ7q0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3z9v3FFc9c
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>>5052885
you're correct.
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>>5052885
I still sing the lyrics to Flying Man on occasion when passing the time. Or at least the part of the melody that shows up in the games.
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is there a good rip of Earthbound's OST somewhere? There was a FLAC on leddit 10 months ago but the guy took the link down.
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I think my favorite town is either Spookane or Ellay due to how much shit is just plastered around the entire areas with white dust clouds.
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why does ness have such terrible aim?
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>>5054951
You're using casey bat?
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>>5054951
Just stick with that bat from Summers or Winters and only use the Casey bat, if you're confident that your party can 1 turn an enemy.
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>>5036416
Hey guys. I have never played any of the Mother series games.

Should I start with Earthbound, or should I look up an english translated Mother 1 romhack first?
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>>5055191
If you just want to play Mother to see "what's all about" and just have a casual taste of it, then play Earthbound.
If you actually are interested in the series and want to experience it the best way, yeah, start with Mother 1.
I personally would say just play the Earthbound Zero ROM for NES, the encounter rate is kinda high but battles are really quick, like in any other 8bit RPG, it's not really as terrible as people say, but if random encounters bother you so much, then apply the Easy Patch I guess.
Don't play the "Anniversary Romhack" or whatever it's called. It changes its graphics for the worse, takes out the charm of the original game and adds trees that look like blocks.
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>>5052508
The original ending was going to be your mom begging you to kill your brother because he's still alive and his soul can't be set free

As the battle wore on it would become apparent that the machine was integrating with his spirit and controlling more of him as you killed him, eventually using the full force of awakened psi to protect itself, but as you broke through it you would have to face the full force of his resentment over having been the one to die and suffer like he did

and right at the end while you had barely endured his final assault, he'd be about to kill you and bring you down with him, and Flint would hit him from behind and end him
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>>5047980 top kek, this is the best earthbound zero hack out there easily by far

but start with either mother 2 (earthbound snes), or dl the original demiforce dump of eb0 if you insist on needing to grind away an evening for no real reason in particular
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>>5036507
Debuffing them a bunch goes a long way, especially since they'll waste turns trying to rebuff themselves. Duster should be spending most of the battle doing just that.
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>>5055337
This is true it is fun, but unfortunately it's the incomplete version I keep finding on most ROM sites.. Fucking annoying.
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just felt the need to post this
Virgin Lucas
>cries like a big gay baby
>weak arms can only hold a fucking stick
>picked on by an older girl
>cowardly as hell
>dead mom
>gets raped by a tranny in a hotspring
>too much of a sissy to save the world so he has to end it
Chad Ness
>strong independent boy who rarely sheds a tear
>can kill hundreds of his enemies with a fucking bat
>has a cute blonde girlfriend who is kind and gentle
>bravery in the form of five swole birds
>mom is alive and well, cooks steaks for him
>gets kisses from several girls
>saves the world and goes back to living his normal life
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>>5056281
What about the wizard Ninten?
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>>5036507
Yeah I had to grind for like 5 levels in order to fight them both times I played through Mother 3.
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>>5038219
The final party member should have been Salsa because he's developed more as a character compared to Boney. (I think he even gets an entire chapter to himself? It's been like 9 years since I last played this game.)
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>>5052508
Generic and boring

>>5055258
10/10 is this a theory or something?
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>>5056292
Ninten is the Chaddest because he doesn't get homesick and can beat the final boss alone, he can reject Ana and be the only Hero that doesn't need a Thot.

>>5056410
Lol no, he had the worse episode of the game and is a fucking joke, last party member should have been Flint.
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>>5056630
>a Thot
You shut your mouth you cunt, Ana is a pure girl.
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You're all wrong, this is the true patrician choice.
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>>5038171
>Boney it's a final party member
Still bothers me to this day. Say what you will about the other characters, but at least they are human characters with personalities. A dog is fine for a temporary, early-game party member like they did with Earthbound, but it's stupid to have him stick around until the end.

And it's not like there weren't other characters to choose from. Flint? Fuel? Another DCMC member? A reformed Pigmask soldier?
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>>5056768
Everyone was brainwashed.
Boney is your loyal friend to the end, I love it.
I actually wanted to hang with King for longer on 2. His participation is too short
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>>5056768
Based, like you said the worst part is there were plenty of good characters for a fourth slot. Maybe replacing it with Flint on Chapter 8 would have been better
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Mother/Earthbound anime when?
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>>5057807
Dragon getting killed the intended way instead of the Rope + Super Bomb strategy would look cool.
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>>5052841
Hey thanks for the model!
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mother 3's setting was dumb
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about to start the Stonehenge Base wish me luck because only Ness has broken 50 in my party
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>>5060625
why does this look so absolutely disgusting
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>>5061769
Probably because it looks like a wrinkly old man's fingerprint. I hope anon is planning to sandpaper those ridges down or something.
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>>5060703
Don't think anybody can deny this, without the cozy Americana setting of the first two 3 just feels like another JRPG rather than the third in the Mother series.
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>>5062003
I think it gets better in the fourth chapter. Ironically despite Porky being presented as everything wrong with humanity, everything about the game really does just get so much better once he takes over. That period between the town modernizing but before everyone goes to New Pork really is the best part of the game.
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>>5062003
I always compared it with Wild Arms, which is not necessarily a typical JRPG setting.
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>>5062003
Sometimes it's not about making you comfortable. Sometimes the things you want are wrong and acquiescing to your bad taste is the wrong move.

That the game is a little boring at the start is good, you're a bad person if you're unsatisfied with peace. That it makes you feel uneasy and stressed when that peace is gone is also correct.

It is a game about surviving trauma and periods of extreme discomfort and hopelessness, why would it be comfy? You can't go back to your childhood, you can't get back things that are dead and gone. You can only grow up. If you don't like Mother 3 it's because you didn't grow up and don't want to.

You essentially are Porky and the game is about you and the fact that nobody can save you from yourself but you will never get it
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>>5062304
The only question that I have to this very day is who was the one who first uploaded the very first image of Giygas' 2nd phase or any image of Giygas, on the internet, and accepted that the one image was the most appealing?
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>>5062434
now you say that like the person who did that definitely did that themselves and wasn't unintentionally made to do so by universal forces of karma, is that what you actually mean?
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>>5060898
You should be alright. I always try to avoid the Mooks and Atomic Powered Robots, I just walk off screen and back on. The Starmen teleport around and if you're quick enough you can have them teleport close to you and slip behind them for a first attack and finish them off before they have a chance to attack you. Hit the military octobots with Fire. Finish the boss off with bottle rockets.
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Did Ness make Paula the star of his pole?
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>>5062003
100% agree barely has the setting of Earthbound and Mother.
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>>5062451
Yes. He voluntarily uploaded the image after taking a screenshot of Giygas' second phase via his SNES97.
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>>5062003
No, I thought it was a nice change. Besides, even though the towns in 1 and 2, especially in 2, have a lot of memorable stuff in each of them, some more than others.
Mother 3's only town has more development. By the time you get to chapter 4, where the town actually looks like a classic Mother town, you know everyone there, and know the map already, but everything has been modernized and more complex. That way, I felt the game delivers a classic Mother experience, but in much more depth. You feel at home in Tazmily, whereas Onett is just your starting point and you never go back there again until the end.
I don't think many JRPGs remind me of Mother 3, the only ones are Mother 1 and 2, so I think it still feels like it belongs in its own trilogy.
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>>5062464
I was fine after all. tried to grind for the sword of kings and ended up with Ness in the low 80's and everyone else in the mid to high 70's, then I beat the game shortly thereafter.

It was funny because after Magicant Ness was level 93.
but it all went by faster than I thought it would; I even beat Carbon Dog/Diamond Dog with relative ease.
I have to find something else to occupy me now.
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>>5056768
I appreciated boney as a party member, it adds a lot to Lucas as a loner, his only true friend being his dog
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>>5063301
just because you do something voluntarily doesn't mean you chose to do it on purpose
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bump
zoom
boing
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What are the chances that the ROM of the unfinished Earthbound 64 will get leaked someday?
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>>5066081
if that beta pokemon rom can be found im sure theres at least one earthbound64 rom out there
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how would consent work in moonside?
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>>5063167
I think it's pretty much canon that Ness popped her cherry while they waited for Jeff in that cave. Well, that's what I think at least
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>>5066412
I guess they did probably know that they were maybe gonna die
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>>5038184
I would like that the entire encounter would be more dramatic. It just felt more like.
>MAh brother !
> Oh no Mah brother is dead now !
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Fuck that god damned department store
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I like how pixelated the game looks when playing on SNES hardware, more so than
on the SNES Mini.
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So what's you guys favorite town/area? I'm split between Dalaam, Winters and Dusty Dunes Desert.
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>>5070283
Summers and its neighboring locale, Toto, without a doubt.
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>>5066137
No means yes
So basically exactly the same as it works in the real world
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>>5057807
>anime
>not cgi cartoon but animated and textured to look like the clay models
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>>5070283
Dalaam and Winters are cool. I like Threed too specifically the northeast most corner. I dunno what is about that area but I dig it. Also for the other games in EBB I like that one town that doesn't have anything in it and I dig the Highway.
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>>5062003
I think they really should've pushed that old western aesthetic.
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>>5070346
Damn so cool, will you be my friend?

>>5070791
Damn so funny, will you be my friend?
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• I don’t know what to post, so I’ll just make some kind of meta post
• I hope I did that right...
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>>5070816
We're all friends here, we're all real people, you are literally communicating with actual human beings socially when you come here
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>>5070283
Fourside, New Pork City and the last city of Mother 1
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IMO I would like to see mother 1 be completely redone. I liked it’s more down to earth story and tonal feel compared to EB
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>>5070816
We're already friends, frenlo
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>>5068467
The store is basically a casual filter that asks you if you figured out how to make use of Jeff or didn't. If you didn't make him strong you have to grind to deal with the hot coffee since Ness can't possibly beat everything with just his own psi unless he grinds for hours
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>>5036416
Boney is in your party more than any other character.
What a good dog.
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>>5060625
Nice, glad you like it.
>>5061769
It is really hard to print without support. The tiny ends of the arms are really delicate so printing him standing up you need a .03 or .02 needle.
This looks like it was printed laying down, and also fairly tiny.
Came out pretty well regardless, a little sanding might help.
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>>5050365
just make the gba retro already, shit is basically a portable snes, and I hate that it gets stuck on zoomer limbo with the GC, PS2 and XBOX
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I was thinking about reimplementing Mother 1-3's programming and using data from the ROMs as an OpenMother 1-3. This is not a common practice and the main goal is accessibility (and practice for me). Is there interest in this?
If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up OpenXCOM and OpenMW
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>>5038180
dude i feel like a better person after playing mother 3
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>>5071116
Iirc some people on starmen.net are still working on a Mother 1 remake in the earthbound engine. Although I can't help but feel like they'd ruin the atmosphere somehow or something.
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Mother 1 is fine as it is.
People just can't come to terms with old pre-snes rpgs
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>>5072282
I beat it about a month ago and I have to say that the random encounters are far more tolerable than DQ or FF1
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>>5072282
>>5073316
I still think the encounters are too much. The game really needs a rebalancing. I haven't played in a long time but my first encounter on Mt. Itoi very quickly wiped out my party.
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>>5073586
Modern gaming has led you to believe that losing means something is wrong with the game. The fact is that losing has been a part of all RPGs during the time. You are NOT expected to beat Wizardry your first build. you're supposed to fail, adjust and try again.
It wasn't until Square in the SNES era decided that cinematic experiences were more important.
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Who's your favorite NPC? Mine's Everdred
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>>5074887
Master Belch
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Good day my brothers in Mother
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>>5075729
Yo
I'm out of 1 and 2 pics so you're gonna have to make do with Kumawhora being a bully
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>>5071826
Nobody has any thoughts on this? Is there no demand for it?
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>>5075773
I'm guessing you have no idea how esoteric Earthbound's code is
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>>5071826
Good fucking luck. The Mother series is known for having spaghetti code.
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>>5075815
>>5075862
M1 and M2 would be extremely easy to clone.
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>>5075878
Anyway I wasn't asking how hard it is, I was asking if there was demand for it.
>>5075815
Alao
>esoteric
Just because Iwata saved EB because the rest of the programmers were incompetent doesn't mean it's esoteric
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>>5038171
>You don't kill him as intended following the unused graphics
source? can't find it
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>>5076000
I think it'd be cool
I can see the possibility for neat mods
Like imagine if Earthbound had party chat like a Dragon Quest game, or had some kind of character customization in regards to stats and skills
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>>5038171
It would have been worse. Itoi made the right choice.
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>>5076000
no one cares unless you actually do it dumbass
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>>5076070
Fair enough.
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>>5074887
dungeon man, hands down.
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>>5056630
>"h-he r-rejected her because hes too cool!"
ninjobbers lmao
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>>5056630
Delete this
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>>5046939
This is a very good question.
One idea I have is that the are the result of experiments on captured folks in Mother 2 (in Mother 1, all the adults were let free at the end I believe).
As hearsay, I've heard they were supposed to occur earlier, but I don't remember my source for this. If that's the case, then maybe there was some plot with missing people that was cut.

>>5047980
Start with Mother 1. I Started with Earthbound (or Mother 2 whatever), but to really appreciate Giygas in Earthbound you'll want to know his story from the first game. It makes the final battle a bit more sad rather than just scary/disturbing.

>>5056630
Can Ninten climb the mountain alone though? Ana's "Instantly kill one or a group of enemies" PSI is pretty great.
>>5076000
Go for it. Even if you don't finish it, it might yield useful stuff.

>>5073604
I don't think anything was wrong with the game at the time per say, but I feel as though if a more SNES-difficulty RPG had come out at the time for the NES (with the graphics of NES etc., no other advantages) then it'd be very popular. Video game RPGs improved when they dropped so much of the outright grinding. I'll also say that Mother 1 is hard even with the 2x EXP translation patch Tomato or whoever put out. Mother 1 has a lot of encounters and yet so many areas are still frustrating even if you've never ran. It needed the difficulty adjustment.

Did anyone miss aliens in Mother 3? I thought they should have had a "Forgotten Starmen" as a secret fight or something, but Itoi clearly wanted to go in another direction with that game. Giygas and aliens aren't mentioned at all really.
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I've always imagined Kumatora sounding like Darlene from Roseanne desu
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>>5077276
>Go for it. Even if you don't finish it, it might yield useful stuff.
I decided to go ahead and start it. I figured I could start by extracing data from MOTHER. First I built an NES graphics viewer since the easiest data to extract is the CHR graphics. Basically here are the things i need to extract:
1. CHR graohics (easy) and tiled graphics data (a bit harder)
2. Music and sfx (music is easy, sfx may be hard)
3. Text data (I'm really not sure the difficulty. I want to start on Japanese version.)
4. Map data (difficulty really depends)
5. Enemy stats, command stats, spells, etc (probably leaning on the easy side)
For some things like CHR data, it is universal across most NES games so I don't need a debugger/disassembler to extract. Other things I will need a debugger/disassembler to understand. Fortunately, tools for NES debugging are very powerful and mature.
For everything else, I need to re-implement:+. Fortunately, MOTHER is not a complicated game.
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>>5077317
I should note two things:
1. I cannot legally include any data that I extract in the project. I can legally build tools that extract data from the ROM which is what I will do.
2. I cannot call it MOTHER. I was thinking of calling it MELODY
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So I saw the Claus/M1 Giygas (Giegue, whatever) background and it's subtle in the game (but less subtle after seeing the background).
Claus isn't Giygas, but I think there is some sort of parallel between Claus and Giygas.I am bad at explaining but I will do my best:.
In MOTHER, Giygas locks away his heart. He repressed his emotions memories in exchange for hatred so that he can get his revenge after he felt George and Maria betrayed them. When he is reminded of them, he is brought back memories that he had intentionally forgotten, painful memories of love and loss. An emotional vulnerability that he probably hasn't felt in decades. Obviously so painful, that it seems to cause him physical pain and he retreats. He loves and misses his "mother". Obviously, Giygas does not redeem himself as we see in MOTHER 2, but Giygas, despite being the final boss, is not actually that important of a character in MOTHER 2.

In MOTHER 3, Claus' beginnings are a little different. Porky says something like Claus was dead when he found him and he's just a body brought back to life and brainwashed to serve him (further supported when one of the Magypsies says they sense no heart in Claus when he pulls a needle, which is supposed to be a wish that reflects on your heart. Claus didn't intentionally lock away his heart and memories, Porky did that for him. But the way Claus is defeated in MOTHER 3 is the same way Giygas is defeated in MOTHER. Memories of a loving past. Claus starts feeling things that he hasn't felt in years, since Hiwana died. Claus redeems himself by apologizing and hugging Lucas and then leaving to be with his mother. I think Claus kills himself because he feels that 1. if he continued to stay alive, I think his programming would have continued to fight, pulled the needle and destroyed the world and 2. naturally, he was supposed to be dead but he was kept alive by machinery. This plays into the mechanical vs natural thing.
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>>5077331
Basically I think Giygas and Claus are put through the same trauma of bringing up their repressed emotions and memories, except Claus accepts them and Giygas rejects them.
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What are some things you would change about Earthbound if you could?
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>>5077823
Inventory system being a lot bigger, maybe add in some kind of party chat like in DQ
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>>5077823
Like the other anon said, inventory. Give ti a bag like in DQ games and being able to buy losts of stuff also not making the final a one way go.
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>>5077794
did you post some completely obvious thematic observations hoping someone would validate your artistic interpretation because holy shit what a faggot
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He's such a damn cutie
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>>5077823
A key item slot and a run button, and make the sword of kings easier to obtain.
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>>5077813
giygas is a whole different animal though, where claus brought it on himself by letting himself be consumed by anger, giygas was screwed over at every turn.
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>>5078607
Ness really is best boy.
>10/10 design
>most powerful Mother protagonist by far
>loves to rock out
>great taste in food
>other kid in onett lusts over him
>kind hearted enough to still think Pokey was salvageable even after the shit he did
>becomes near god-tier strong after magicant
>doesn't hesitate to put his mind into a robot to defeat the pure embodiment of evil
>is cute, cute!
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>>5080781
>other kid in onett lusts over him
Well let's be real here, everybody lusts over him, even I do, though I'm not into little boys. Though I am into watching them plow little girls and older women
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>>5081209
ss is a magical thing
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>>5081476
for degenerates
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>>5081510
there is nothing degenerate about a boy exploring his budding sexuality
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I love how it looks.
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>>5081516
except for everything if you're an adult
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I'm doing my best!
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>>5077034
back to ddlc faggot
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Why are you guys saying Ninten rejected Ana?
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>>5081831
Because they're faggots and can't understand pure love.
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low-key one of the best mother tracks
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>>5081578
Oh blow it out your ass.
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>>5047980
I originally played Earthbound (SNES), followed by Mother 3 (GBA), and then Mother 1 (GBA Mother 1+2 cartridge with translation, it's a lot better than the official translation from Earthbound Zero/Beginnings).

I had heard bad things about Mother 1 but after playing it last I really enjoyed it and wished I had played it first. As far as difficulty and grinding goes, it's pretty damn forgiving for an 8-bit RPG but you'll probably spend more time in battles than a typical 16-bit RPG. If you've played games like the original Dragon Quests, Phantasy Star, Final Fantasy on the NES/Famicom then I recommend Mother 1 first, but I know some people can't get into "primitive" 8-bit RPGs and if you think you're one of those people then start with Earthbound.
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Does anyone have the entire Mother 3 video from E3? I think it was either E3 1997 or 1998 but the more common Mother 3 clip from E3 1997/1998 shows the soldiers, Flint being chased by a boar and a Kraken holding a character in its mouth but apparently it leaves out footage of Flint running through Snowcap Mountain.

Also are there any screenshots of N64 Mother 3 that aren't on starmen.net? A guy posted a tinypic URL to a screenshot of the Magypsies in the N64 version that another user said he had never seen before but the link doesn't work.
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>>5082338
you'd probably get off on that wouldn't you :|
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>>5082964
We posting sprites now? Something interesting about this sprite sheet is that King's climbing animation goes completely unused since you can't climb anything when he's in your party. Either it was just put there just in case you could climb anything or he was intended to be a long-lasting party member.
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I know that the MOTHER series is pure and somehow untouched from Nintendo's greed and doesnt need a sequel and all...but I still sometimes wish there were more.
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>>5084304
It's because they would have to ask Itoi if they ever wanted to make a new one, I think. It's a shame a lot of Mother 3 had to be cut because of dev hell.
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I just want to hold her in my arms and gently caress her is that too much to ask for?
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>>5084506
Fuck off pedo.
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>>5084521
>i'm not a pedo, i just like little girls in a non-sexual way
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>>5084626
Kill yourself
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Debug Menufag here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXi51LaHGts
Any requests? I've switched to Snes9x.
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>>5084709
Cave of the past soundfont with hippie theme
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>>5084709
How about Pokey's Theme with Pokey Means Business soundfont?
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>>5084854
I forgot to say this in the other post. There are many inconsistencies with how "well" produced the soundfonts can become. I believe that there are some tracks that somehow connect with others; if it or if it not was intentional to occur.
I just attempted your request and I got the track where Pokey knocks on the door and there's faint music playing in the background.
From the top of my head, there's really only a few tracks that never music fuse properly:
Home Sweet Home
Monotoli Building
No. 3 Mole cave
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>>5084880
No worries, I get how midis and soundfonts work.
Mixing and matching them sometimes just doesn't work out.
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NAKED
SHOTA
BUTT
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Is there anywhere I can see a catalogue of every single visual battle background in the game?
I've read there's hundreds of them, but I only can find a few pictures of them online, maybe I'm not searching right.
Would be cool to see gifs or webms though since they're animated.
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>>5086703
What did Itoi mean by this?
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>>5086759
He thinks butts are funny. Or maybe he likes young boys, I dunno.
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>>5086774
Shota butts are seen as funny and cute a lot of the time in Japanese media.
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>>5086796
Well they are cute, but not as cute as loli butts.I SWEAR TO GOD I AM NOT A FUCKING PEDO QUIT CALLING ME ONE
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I like Kumatora.
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>>5086825
Nothing wrong with liking butts anon. You may want to try out Breath of Fire 3 though, you get both shota and loli butts with that game.
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>>5086834
Not retro, unless you post N64 Kumtora.
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>>5086840
Fair enough, although sometimes /vr/ posts non-retro stuff if it's discussing a series on a thread.
Also OP's pic is from 3 as well.
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>>5086834
Just don't post any smut of her, okay?
>>5086840
She looked like a humongous slut in the n64 prototype, to be honest.
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>>5086850
Would've been neat to see how that design would've looked in GBA Mother 3 if they didn't change her design completely.
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>>5086854
Generic JRPG girl in the EB/Mother sprite style
Seriously though, out of all the shit that got cut from 3, that design not making it into the final product was for the best.
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>>5054429
download spc set and winamp with a spc player plugin
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>>5086854
Didn't Lucas and Claus originally look like Ness/Ninten?
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>>5087232
No, Ness was originally going to be in Mother 64.
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>>5087234
Interesting. I wonder what his role would have been. He doesn't seem to fit.
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>>5087239
Well a lot of shit had to be cut out of and changed to make Mother 3, so there was probably going to be some time-travel shit. Seems odd to have Porky taunt Ness at the end of Earthbound but never follow up on that, doesn't it? I think Porky's time-traveling was going to be a bigger plot point and you would have to fight him as both Ness and Lucas in different time periods.
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>>5087234
Source? I never heard of that before
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Doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doooo
Doo doo doo doo DOO doo

Doo doo doo doo doo dooo doooo
Doo doo doo doo DOO dooo dooooo dooo

Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo DOO DOO DOO
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo dooo dooooo

>>5087239
He fits perfectly when you remember the whole plot is Porky grabbing people and things from across time. Dr. Andonauts was already there.

>>5087242
He's in the trailer.
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It.would have been 10/10 if he was the final party member.
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I recall seeing his 3D model in Nintendo Power, but I don't recall seeing him in any screenshots or trailers.
I do wish we had more information on the original plot for Mother 3. I love that kind of shit. We know all kinds of information about Ocarina of Time for instance and it's all great.
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>>5087234
me thinks ness was originally going to be the masked man, but itoi changed it for being too cruel.
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>>5087753
who?
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>>5038184
>Not even puber yet blond kid who got his entire family and life shattered ends up manning the fuck up and taking the lead to uncover the pig mask bullshit nobody wants to fight because muh happy boxes and rays from the sky
>Only human to have been raised by powerful as fuck PSI masters
>Adult fuck up that's actually a talented musician and a master of stealth and trickery despite his cripple, ends up getting his shit together and helps with everything he can
>Your actual brother
It's the best party.
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>>5088392
it sounds like something out of an edgy fanfiction.
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>>5088441
Nothing edgy about any of that, but the original ending with the Fallen Angel Claus kind of is.
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>>5088463
dude, dont pretend lucas isnt one of those fanfiction mary sue orphans.
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>>5088487
Have you read the book Lucas and Claus originally come from?
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>>5088487
>lucas
>fanfiction mary sue
>literally everyone in the city hates him and his family and mocks him relentlessly after the timeskip
>bad shit happens to him constantly
>can't save anyone
>so fucked up by the end of the game that when he pulls the last needle and his wish is granted it destroys the fucking world
>still good enough of a kid at heart that it resets the world to a happier place
lucas isn't a mary sue retard don't use terminology that you don't know the meaning of
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>>5088507
everybody not liking him isnt him not being a mary sue, autismo. in fact, you pretty much just proved he is one.
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>>5088649
Not him, but stop baiting dude. Lucas is like the opposite of a gary stu.
And as >>5088493 said, both Lucas and Claus were inspired by a trilogy of books by a hungarian drama author.
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>>5088661
>calls out stories bullshit characters
>"y-youre just baiting"
can you try arguing?
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>>5088686
lol, okay, lucas is a mary sue bro, whatever you say
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>>5088686
Lucas is not a mary sue. he's just a big crybaby.
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>>5088694
not really. hes a perfect kid with no flaws.
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>>5088708
And also clearly the alter ego of Itoi. He's blond and all.
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Paula > Ana > Tracy > Ness's Mom > Ninten's Mom > Minnie > Mimmie > Venus > Kumatora > Paula's Mom > Hinawa > Samba > Pippi
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>>5088783
good taste
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>>5062290
based and redpilled
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>>5062290
>missing the point this badly
retard
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>>5088783
>Pippi that low
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>>5088829
Pippi is shit and is also a sloot
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>>5088807
do you have even a single fact to back that up with
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>>5089116
he missed the whole point of what the other anon was saying and just went on a pretentious "i watch rick and morty" style rant.
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>>5089118
he was literally just bitching and moaning about not receiving another replica of that one time he enjoyed something

he was crying for his comfort like a baby to a bunch of loser fanboys, not even the artists themselves, who actually work for a soulless corporation that lives for money

there was no real substance to his statements because he was just feeling entitled and whining into a void, he doesn't even understand that every single game had the same content; characters and content reflective of real life experience that give context to a person's internal dialogue of emotions and intent

the target audience of mother 3 is people who played mother 1 and 2, who were at the time facing the collapse of their childhood environment as it was assimilated and the aesthetic overwritten by the encroachment of technology.

you can't make it the same as mother 1 or 2 because setting a game in current day "america" or planet earth where a child just walks around outside alone would be completely fucking terrifying or absolutely false

on the other side a game set in the 90s or 80s is only relevant to people who are at least 30 years old now, and that's not who these games are made for, because an aware person actually writing for that audience ends up making Mother 3, and little bitch babies like you will cry and whine about it because it doesn't coddle you, because you never fucking grew up.
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>>5089168
Jesus fucking Christ man, calm down
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>>5089173
fuck no
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>>5089175
Are you really getting this worked up over somebody not liking Mother 3's setting? And I thought that the people on Starmen were spergs
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>>5089182
it's just a symptom of something much worse and you help nobody by enabling them
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In terms of usefulness:
Teddy > Ness > Ana = Ninten > Jeff > Paula > Duster > Lucas > Kumatora >>>>>>>> Boney > Poo
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>>5089189
fucking christ dude, the guy wasnt saying he wanted the same setting, he was saying 3s setting is a fucking mess with no grounding. if you want to make something different thats fine, but dont try to tie it to another series with a very defined setting, it only ends up looking bad.
you have no need to go on a "i am very smart" tantrum because someone criticized your game.
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>>5089182
3fags are VERY autistic. just look at starman.net, they act like actual shills.
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>>5089189
If all you're going to do is screech and not add anything to the discussion I suggest you eat a bowl of fuck.
>>5089201
Primarily why I come here to discuss Mother/Earthbound, but it seems I can't escape them.
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>>5089209
their game isnt even retro. it doesnt belong on this board.
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>>5089246
Honestly I don't mind a little discussion about it being squeezed in but from the 3 threads on /v/ devolving into porn and shitposting I really wish the mods would do their fucking job on here.
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>>5089209
you're the one who just bitches and complains as a response without substance
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>>5089198
I never said I was smart but you sure are implying that you felt stupid
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>>5089168
The audience of 3 would be Japanese kids that just finished 1+2, really man, you're digging to deep into this when is not.
Man, Nintendo sure wasted the chance to make the series popular on the Gba.
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>ywn be this happy on a bike
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>>5089312
It still bugs me that you can only use it before you get Paula, they really should have made it some kind of Tandem bike.
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>>5089312
>tfw your gf, nerd, and prince are all dead so you can ride your bike
Ness is a happy boy even in the darkest of times.
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What's the best way to play the first game in English? Earthbound Zero rom? The GBA translation? That NES Mother 25th Anniversary fan translation?
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>>5089334
I am playing it now using this hack https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3623/
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>>5089275
>missing the point on purpose to save face
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>>5089318
youd think he would get PTSD after all that shit.
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>>5089415
I'm reminded of pic related
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>>5089394
I doubt any of them were staring at her hips. I feel like she did it to bring attention to her hips. That is my interpretation though.
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>>5089415
he does.
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>>5089334
>Earthbound Zero
god I wish people would stop saying that
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>>5089287
if you think mother 3 is a game that's acceptable for children to play then you're really sick and I wonder what your parents did to you
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>>5089412
I'm not missing the point, I literally never implied that I was smarter nor compared myself to anything, then you compared yourself to me as though you thought I was acting superior. It can then easily be inferred that this was because you felt inferior even though I spent no energy even thinking about such a thing.
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>>5089420
she's just self conscious about her big butt and thinks people are looking at it even when no one is
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>>5089415
He's such a chad that he can deal with it as long as he calls mommy every once and a while.
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What do you think Ness's underwear smells like?
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>>5089454
I played the game as a kid like the other two and yeah it's fine, what the fuck man. Mother 3 it's a kids game and is fine like that.
Since when Mother 3 is not for kids?
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>>5090124
I assume he means Kumatora cursing and Claus and Hinawa's deaths means it's not for kids, which even then doesn't erase all of the silly shit that happens in the game
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>>5090124
if you think whether a game is for kids or not is based on how much sexual content it has or graphic violence then you have been pretty much brainwashed by a cadre of media conglomerates into thinking a bunch of really dumb shit because you just got duped into thinking that was human society and not the biased agenda of a manipulator
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>>5090141
Deaths are pretty common in games and cursing is a bit rarer trough.

>>5090212
What the fuck dude? No. Most kids like violence but when is too gory it can scare them so yeah, that's it. And sexual stuff has no place in a kids game, I hope you don't need an explanation for that one.
And for your conspiracy theory It's not the media or some shit, I'm mostly basing on what games I could see affecting a kid, realistic gore and sexual themes? Yep those ones definitely.
Mother wouldn't have any negative effects on kids, maybe Giygas because he is widely to known for being scary or out of place but aside of that never feared the guy as a kid, best final boss in the series to be honest.
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>>5090247
Being scared is not a negative effect for a child. Fear is educational.

Mother 3 is bleak enough to cause suicidal thoughts or trigger ptsd, an actual child is simply not strong and patient enough to play that game, and endure the actual content of the narrative without blocking it out or brute forcing or disabling emotional reactions.

On the other hand I'd like to say that a fully formed adult mind is confronted with things that they cannot really deny or blind themselves to, and is able to grow from such adversity, but a lot of people completely miss the point and call it a meme game anyway.

Regardless, seeing violence or sex is not what's bad for a kid, it's being exposed to those things along with toxic or maladaptive concepts and behaviors, it's being improperly educated about them that makes exposure to negative depictions of behavior dangerous, they should absolutely still be told that those things happen and be made aware of it. To deny that is to damage them with ignorance and naivety instead which is hardly preferable.
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>>5090103
Little boy butt and Paula
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>>5089458
>writes a pretentious paragraph about a shitty game
>not trying to act superior
3fags are truly oblivious to social concepts, arent they?
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>>5089469
hes a jobber. lucas is better in every way.
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>>5091050
>t. crybaby Lucas
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>>5091050
Now that I think about it, Lucas was pretty shitty. Specially on the final battle.
Dude you would rather let the world end than attack your brother? Of course ghosts come outta nowhere to save the day.
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>>5091131
>Can't save the world so he has to restart it
>Ending can be seen as the world still ending and everyone is in heaven
Does anyone in this series job more than Lucas?

>>5090723
How do you know what little boy butt smells like?
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>>5091158
ness literally died at the end of his game and didnt defeat the boss. nobody is a bigger jobber.
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>>5091158
An Ara-Ara girl told me what they smell like.
>>5091239
>Ness literally died at the end of his game
Are you trolling or are you just naturally this stupid?
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>>5091285
>nessfag denies obvious subtext
lol
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>>5091340
Blow it out your ass, Lucasfag.
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>>5091348
not an argument, jobber.
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>>5091350
Lucas is the ultimate jobber though.
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>>5091362
ness didnt defeat his final boss and had the worst PSI of the group. lucas saved the world and defeated an entire army.
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>>5091367
His dead mom he couldn't save had to get his way cooler brother to stop fighting him so he could kill himself because Lucas was such a fucking pussy he couldn't make himself hurt Claus. Ness, like the total Chad he is, protected Paula and the rest of his friends to make sure they could beat Giygas and save the world, something Lucas failed to do because he's the ultimate jobber.

>b-but he couldn't defeat his final boss!
Lucas literally couldn't either. The final boss had to KILL HIMSELF.
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>>5091370
>SEETHING ness jobber
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>>5091421
Imagine worshipping a party member more useless than a tomboy, a cripple, and a dog.
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You don't even deserve replies anymore, so I'm just going to post more Ness since it seems to trigger you so much.
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>>5091429
(you) rn
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>>5091425
To be fair, the masked man absolutely BTFO'd Duster, Kumatora, and Boney.
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Chadten > lucas and ness
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>>5091439
>didnt even defeat his final boss
>had no offensive PSI
>had to ditch one of his freinds for the final fight
lolno
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>>5091442
>>didnt even defeat his final boss
Why do you keep repeating this? None of the 3 protagonists beat their respective final bosses.
>had no offensive PSI
Too chad to rely on gimmicks for attacks, he just go full macho
>had to ditch one of his freinds for the final fight
Did you play the game?
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>>5091439
Ninten and Ness are pretty equally Chads, Giygas is just more of a jobber in Mother 1 so Ninten can defeat him faster.

>>5091442
>needing offensive PSI when you have Mother 1 buffs
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I got to Duncan's Factory in Earthbound Zreo/Mother 1/whatever you want to call it and quit about 5 years ago. Should I go back and revisit, and if so where should I start from? Pickup there or restart from beginning?
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>>5089316
in an interview, itoi said that he wanted to make sure he filled the game with disappointing moments like this one and buying the house in onett.
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>>5091471
The Japs have a weird sense of humor. But I like it
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>>5091467
That's still fairly early in the game. I'd say continue from there.
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>>5091467
I did the same and didn't miss anything, that's pretty early in the game. Make sure you get Lloyd by exploring the small factory to the south first.

>>5091471
That sounds like a Itoi thing to do. It's a real shame Mother 3's hell of a development soured his taste for making games, I would love to see what other types of series he would make.
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>>5091495
>I would love to see what other types of series he would make.
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>>5091506
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Are any of the games translated?
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>>5091508
I don't think so.
I believe he or his company also developed some DSi ware title, but I think it wasn't even a game, more like a software to find good places to get food in Japan or something like that.
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>>5091515
That's a shame. Still, I wish he would've made more games.
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some of the 64x64 tiles
next is to get the whole map to draw which will be a bit of an undertaking, especially since my 64x64 tile collection is incomplete, and I am confused as to what map sectors are.
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>>5091367
If Hinawa didn't interfere Lucas and his party would be fucking dead.
It would have been mucb better a solo battle against Claus.
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>>5091601
Now that I think about it i should probably get all 64x64 tiles first...
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>>5091601
Your autism pleases me, keep it up. If you do finish this it would be really easy to make custom Mother maps, and you could make the best version of Mother 1 by adding in the extended script with the NES music.
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Did that Mother 4 project finally release?
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>>5091620
No.
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>>5091620
They rebranded preemptively out for fear for Nintendo. Made an update last month, nothing substantial.
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>>5091620
It still doesn't even have a new name.
Shit's vaporware.
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Couldn't find a high-res pic of her model, but here's Kumatora from the EB64 prototype. Looks like she was plucked out of FF7 desu
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>>5091635
Doesn't Duster look different in Mother 64 as well?
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>>5091158
Lucas actually created the imperfect and painful universe that we live in now
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>>5091647
Then what about the universe Ninten and Ness were in?
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>>5091643
Most of the party looked different, Lucas looked closer to Ness in the earlier screenshots
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>>5091650
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>>5091650
Looks better imo, the same for 64 Flint
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>>5091649
we created that one obviously
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>itoi voiced the father in My Neighbour Totoro
how the FUCK did I just find this out
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The Twoson theme sounds like some Christmas song, right? I'm not just imagining it?
Or at the very least, like a classical composition.
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https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1876/
Here's a decent Halloween themed hack for everyone to play since it's October. Have fun!
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Ness = Ninten > Jeff > Lloyd > Teddy > Duster > Picky > Claus > Salsa > Flint > Pokey > Alec > Wess > Poo > Lucas
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>>5093054
Salsa too high.
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>>5093069
Oh fug, you're right
I forgot how much of a drag his chapter was
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>>5093054
Ness and ninten are pretty boring desu
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>>5093107
Asthmaboy and Mama's boy are better than the crybaby by a longshot though
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How can such simple designed characters be so adorable?
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>>5093107
Silent protagonists are ultimately meant to be someone the player can project themselves into, so what does that say about you?
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>>5093673
Not really, just because they are silent doesn't mean they are a carbon copy of the player, this can be seem more subtly than having the character talk which is more obvious then, for example Ness's mom dialogue on how she didn't stop him because she knew he would escape from the window anyway wouldn't apply to all players.
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I'm really hurting my brain trying to get this map to draw correctly, but here is a screen grab Southern Podunk (one of the few areas that I got to draw semi-correctly)
The trees and houses are that color because I haven't implemented different palettes yet. Most areas outside of this look like garbage because almost the entire map is using the wrong tileset at the moment
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>>5094069
Keep at it anon.
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The dragon in magicant can eat a big fat dick
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>>5093670
Simplicity is key often in good character design.
>>5095289
I've always just used PK Freeze γ as that reduces an enemy to 1 hp.
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>>5095289
>use PK freeze Y
>hit for 1 damage
Wow so hard
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>>5095289
You have to be a certain level to fight it right? I find that annoying.
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>>5095306
>I've always just used PK Freeze γ as that reduces an enemy to 1 hp.
That's what I do as well, but getting Ana to level 21 where she can use PK Freeze γ is an absolute slog.
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>>5093069
>>5093081
the music in his chapter was great
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>>5036416
>comfy Mother thread
hell yeah
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>>5096148
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>>5096148
Reminds me of Valentine '88
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It’s almost criminal how good the magicant section is, especially pic related part that makes me tear up every time
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>>5095289
In all seriousness. All you need is a Rope and Super Bomb.
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>>5036507
Is that a Jojo reference?
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>>5096184
I teared up more during Mother 1 where magicant disappeared as Mary was able to pass on.
What an excellent game and an excellent translation.
As a topic of discussion, is there anything you'd change about the Mother games?
For Earthbound, aside from improvements to the inventory system, I would make it so that the robots at the end also had personal artifacts. Jeff bot would have the glasses, Paula bot the ribbon, Poo bot either his black hair thing or the karate outfit. It seems odd that Andros would give Ness bot the hat but ignore customizing the bot for his own son.
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>>5096734
>Mother 1
>excellent translation
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What kind of a world is it where I get called a pedo because I think Ness/Ninten and Paula/Ana are cute?
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>>5096759
you're definitely a weirdo that's for sure
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>>5096750
Oh sorry, I was referring to Earthbound on the excellent translation part since it was talked about in the person I was replying to. Mother 1 didn't have the best translation of course. That tomato guy did a good job with it though.
>>5096734
One more thing I'd add is to adjust difficulty in a few areas. I'm not too against the bit of the grind with Frank, since it gets you familiar with the setting and the combat, but the Department store is balanced around buying bottle rockets and such for Jeff. However, many people are stingy with purchasing consumables in jRPGs aside from basic healing thigns, and even then with healing PSI there's less incentive still.
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>>5096759
I bet you look up videos of kids in bathtubs on youtube because you think it's "cute".
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>>5096961
>having this awful of taste
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What's your favorite NPC quote? I still never fail to smile at "Hey sidewalk, get outta my way!"
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>>5097728
>"Sorry, but these days that's called sexual assault."
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>>5097761
Is that in there? Sounds too recent of an issue to be in there. At least in my social circlea people only started talking about that a couple months ago.
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>>5097910
It's in Mother 3 in the retirement home. People have been getting more politically correct since the 90's, guys hitting on girls and getting in trouble for it isn't just a recent thing man.
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>>5097910
Itoi tried to warn us.
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>>5084885
I will list my findings from the last 6 years and what I found last year.

The tracks fuse better if in a area and you're playing event music or battle music. So, for instance, Kraken of the Sea with CoTP soundfont, or Venus Live! with Winters White, or Runaway Five's Final Perfomance with The Tendas' Cave.
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>>5097728
>You guys can't envision the inevitable collapse of capitalist society? Amazing!
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>>5097728
You can buy everything but, “love”, “friendship” and “exp points”
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>>5096750
What's wrong with Mother 1's translation? I played 25th anniversary faithful edition
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>>5098292
this made me laugh so much when i first noticed it
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>>5098292
EB was really ahead of its time. It seems like everyone says they're communist and can't wait for capitalism to fall.
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Does the carpet match the drapes?
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>>5098883
it's always been a pseudo-intellectual position that the weak and autistic take to try and seem superior
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>>5099389
god I hope so
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>>5045603
It came out mother 12 years ago
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Favorite blonde?
Favorite blond?
Favorite one use item?
Favorite area?
Favorite region (i.e. Eagleland and Foggyland)?
Favorite enemy?
Favorite final boss?
Favorite final area?
Favorite battle track?
Favorite NPC?
Favorite temporary party member?
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>>5101012
Ana
Jeff
Suporma
Winters
Dalaam
The Hippies
Giegue
Cave of the Past
Battle against a Machine
Everdred
Teddy
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>>5101012
Ana
Jeff
French fries. I'm a simple man.
Magicant (M1)
You posted it
Can't pick one. The most spectacular one is Gyiyg in 2 I guess.
Mt. Itoi
In a heartbeat I'd say Porkie of Porkie/Porkie bots theme, but I love a lot of them from all the games. I really like the poltergeist lamp theme from Mother 1, you only hear it there but it's really pumping and dramatic, could have worked as theme for tougher enemies like Juana. Battle with unsettling opponent is also another favorite, love that weird ass space jazz vibe and the wood bass sounds pretty nice. I guess I had to pick 1 from each game.
Favorite NPC is Mr. Saturn of course.
Pippi! Always Pippi.
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>>5101012
Ana
Jeff
Ruler
Mother 2 Magicant
Eagleland
Hippies
Giygas (Mother 2)
Cave of the Past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nYwTSkr0Q or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt6fDpZAVSI
Mr. Saturns
The CHAD Teddy
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>>5101442
>The CHAD Teddy
I mean, yeah he kind of doesn't stay in your party for long, but he's still a legit party member. I assume with temporary members he means ones that aren't meant to be full party members (you can't choose their name). I guess King would defy my criteria, but still.
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Why is she so perfect?
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>>5102224
already taught every kinky maneuver by the happy happyists
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>>5102224
>>5103067
I wish you degenerates would fuck off
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>>5102224
>gets kidnapped
>perfect
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>>5103130
Whats it like spending life alone?
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>>5103080
>>5102224
I like Ana the best.

Because she's optional.
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>>5099389
>>5100165
>>5103080
>kumaposters making trash posts
what else is new?
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>>5103398
>optional
Did not know that!
I knew Teddy was but not Ana.
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>>5103759
Yeah, the only required pickup is Loid, since he has to blow up a couple roadblocks and repair EVE.
Well, it's him and Pippi, but Pippi doesn't count.

You can trade Loid for Teddy on a permanent basis if you know how, so it's a pick the one you like better scenario, though you have to have Loid do everything he has to do first if you're going to do that.

But Ana is completely optional. You don't even have to enter her town to complete the game.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWWkeajPKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OqLkGWdwso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAcqRFPzryw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gde1VU1tXw
Just posting the best tracks
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>>5104139
>get on the bus
My nigga
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Ana is scary, very scary.
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All this comfy fanart made me want to replay the series. Why does Earthbound makes me feels warm inside?
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>>5106118
The setting and characters make it relatable to anyone who has lived a modern life. Relation is comfy.
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>>5106118
The short answer is that the Earthbound series understands comfy and makes a game out of both experiencing, analyzing to some extent, and protecting that comfiness, alongside a road trip/wilderness exploration. It is a very comfy series. Few games attempt to do that.
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So what the hell are peanut cheese bars exactly?
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>>5107303
I imagine they're similar to these, but like, in bar form. Like granola bars, except without the granola?

You can find these crackers in vending machines. They're really good for killing hunger or stabilizing blood sugar. Lots of complex carbs and cals for your body to munch on.
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>>5093687
He never said they were supposed to be carbon copies...
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>>5098292
Serious question. Is Itoi a socialist? Because Tazmily didn't have currency until the fatass american pig came by. But it might just have been a hippy thing like how Gene Roddenbery had to keep telling people that his Star Trek utopia wasn't supposed to be communist.
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>>5108645
For some reason I don't think Itoi pertakes in the whole "left vs right" dichotomy, and while I think his profile indicates that he's more likely to be a socialist than a capitalist, that line is actually mocking new age/snob people who are against capitalism, but living and enjoying "capitalist" things, like being in a resort vacation at a hip members-only club.
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>>5108645
wasn't that Tao game he also was related with communism propaganda? Of cpurse we have retards too saying M3 is Communist propaganda, just because it can be seen as a critic to capitalism it doesn't mean is Communist
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>>5108828
Tao for Famicom?
Itoi had nothing to do with it, rather the developers (Pax Softnica) were the ones who programmed Mother 1.
And I don't remember any communist propaganda in it. The game is about crazy deities and spirituality. Communists don't like religion.
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Mother 3, if anything, is more anti-industrialist than anti-capitalist, I recall an anon likening it to Ghibli films which have a similar message
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>>5108881
That makes more sense. I loved the small town frontier era vibe before Porkey modernized it.
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>>5108881
Itoi also probably got the idea of the Pigmask Army from the book that inspired Mother 3, The Notebook.
In that book, twins Claus and Lucas have to survive in a hostile enviroment on a town taken by military men near the frontier during war.
The actual date and location is never mentioned in the book, although from the author's own experience it's supposed to be WWII in eastern Europe, but the book doesn't really reveal anything, and only focuses on the boys and their immediate surroundings.
I think Itoi aimed for something similar. An ambiguous, kind of uncanny oppresive atmosphere.
I remember in an interview Itoi made clear that the "Happy boxes" are not meant to represent TVs, like most people would assume. They're just boxes that display colors and make people happy (it's not used to spread news, like a TV would).
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>>5108917
Yeah, I remember seeing that interview as well. There was some debate after that about what the hell a Happy Box actually IS then.
Like, does it perform some kind of hypnosis? Given the tubes in the upper floors of Porky's tower that's not out of character for him.
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He's a good boy, loves his mama.
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>>5109180
I maintain that Mother has the best title screen in the entire Famicom/NES library

Doo doo
Doo doo
Doo doo
Doo DOO
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>>5108881
Yeah, after replaying it, I'd argue Mother 3 is actually pretty conservative.
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>>5109180
Alright here's my autistic observations from the magicant of each game.

>In Mary's magicant, Mary is a queen in a pink dress, mother to all in her fluffy, pink, fantasy land full of stuff from fairy tales like dragons along with other weird stuff, showing her character as extremely motherly and has a love for child-like fantasy, and a want to protect things in a position of power
>In Ness's magicant, Ness is only wearing his hat and a simple adventurer looking through his own mind, talking to his own memories and thoughts, and eventually making it to his "Sea of Eden", where he has to literally defeat his temptation and dark thoughts which are manifested as a Mani Mani statue, a thing that corrupts people into power-hungry evil tyrants. This shows that Ness is still completely innocent, and not ruined by the impurities of negative emotions and can overcome them.
>Porky's New Pork City could be seen as Porky's magicant, as it shows us into the mind of a kid gone completely insane by the influence of Giygas, and a kid who desperately wants to relive moments from Earthbound, feel in control, and have fun at the cost of others. We can see this in New Pork City with all of the references to Earthbound, and much carnage he causes in the Nowhere Islands to get everyone to move there. However, Porky realizes it'll be impossible for him to relive those moments and becomes bored, so he just decides to destroy everything by summoning the dragon.
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>>5109336
That's not autistic don't shit on your own post. I really like that comparison of Ness' Magicant and Porkey's New Pork City. I never thought of it before but it makes so much sense.

Ness was nude in Japan, a symbol of innocence, too.


Porkey desperately wants to return to his childhood. His themesong = a lullaby. His spider mech = a crib. Absolutely safe capsule = a womb. TOwer of peace and love = a nursury. Everything else that you described, nature and time itself are his toys. But he desperately misses Ness. It's so tragic.

There is a sleeping dragon in Magicant in M1, and Nowhere Islands too.

Everyone else returned to mother earth.
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>>5108881
Hayao Miyazaki was Marxist till 1990 or something when he completely forsook i, I'm not really clear on the details. But it sounds like it's different in Japan. http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/miyazaki/101.html
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So what was the deal with the mouse on Fassad's room? Did they thought that would justify him not being a POS or was he a good guy all along?
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Has anyone bought Tomato’s Legend of Localization book? Is it worth the money if you are interested in Japanese?
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>>5109993
Kumatora is a strong independent woman who needs no man.
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>>5109993
I'm willing to wager that both Lucas and Duster have done it with her
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>>5109997
>implying that Kumatora wouldnt need Lucas
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>>5110061
>>5109998
>>5109997
Kumatora never showed interest in anyone.
But who calls her cute at the end? Duster?
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>>5110061
Kumatora isn't interested in Lucas and she probably would have gotten by just fine if she never met Lucas (except the whole end of the world thing). However, Kumatora probably wouldn't have realized her true power had it not been for Lucas.
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>>5036507
AWAKEN
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>>5108645
I think it is less political and more tradition/nature/(religion?) vs progression/industry/(atheism/man going against nature?)
thats why similarities can be drawn to ghibli films such as nausicaa and princess mononoke. the people of tazmily are honest, traditional god-fearing people who help each other until they get a whiff of technology and become drones.
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>>5110125
It was all a lie tho...
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>>5110173
why? because of the dragon?
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>>5109478
I remember seeing other anons say that New Pork City is like Porky's Magicant before, so it isn't something I came up with. Also I mentioned the Ness being naked part in his magicant with "Ness is wearing only his hat". A baseball cap is sometimes seen as a childish thing, so it could be alluding too Ness likes being a child and is in no hurry to grow up, and that's why he's only wearing it. Could just be looking into that too deep though.

I feel like the sleeping dragon in Mother 1 doesn't really have a connection to the one in Mother 3 at all though, I think the one in M1 was just there to show the love for fantasy Mary has.

To add one more thing about how much Porky misses Ness and misses the events of Earthbound in general, he has a cinema playing a movie of the events of Earthbound. You would think Porky, who's been shown off to be extremely egotistical, would make this movie about himself, but it being about Ness and co. shows that he wants to be a part of that type of story again.
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>>5110447
Maybe it's unrelated, but there's a term in Japanese, 臥龍 (Garyuu, maybe it's also spelled with different kanji, it means "Reclined dragon" or "sleeping dragon"). It's used to describe a person that's very cool, down to earth, that has a great power he can control. I believe for example war generals could be considered as "garyu".
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>>5084634
No you need to kill yourself
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Why was he such a fag?
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>>5110770
Repressed homosexual urges for Ness and getting mind-raped by Giygas. Possible mommy and daddy issues as well.
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>>5110786
I like to think Giygas saw a bit of himself in Pokey so he chose him as his right hand man. It's not that they were 100% buddy buddy, more like Giygas was using Pokeys childish envy and ego to use him as a means of stopping Ness and Pokey was having fun using all the cool alien tech and thinking he was "friends" with an alien. Kinda like that episode of south park where cartman meets cthulu.
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>>5110818
I always saw it as Porky was just one of the people influenced by Giygas and the Mani Mani statue so he found Giygas and decided to help him to fuck with Ness to get Ness to notice him. Porky truly is the biggest tsundere.
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>>5110125
Seems more like greed vs solidarity to me. Also money corrupted everything. Fuck money.
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>>5110838
>Porky was just one of the people influenced by Giygas and the Mani Mani
Yeah but the idea of Porky being a terrible person with or without Giygas is funny to me.
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>>5110850
From what Porky says in Ness's Magicant we can assume that Ness and Porky have always been "friends", but always been a sort of Cartman-like dick. That, or it's showing how naive Ness is in thinking someone like Porky genuinely just wants to be friends with him.
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>>5110216
After the world presumably nuked itself, the residents who would live in Tazmily wiped their memories (except Leder) to return to a simpler time and create a world that would not destroy itself
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>>5110838
>>5110850
I've always felt like the Mani Mani statue is like... a temptation for any evil that might be in your heart. I think Porky was always sort of an ass, but the Mani Mani statue and Giygas promised power, which is attractive to rotten people. It didn't corrupt him because he was always rotten, but it gave him the power to do truly evil things. The opportunity presented itself and he took it. It's like (sorry for this analogy) if you are walking home and see a passed out girl, you are given the opportunity to do something evil. If you are rotten, you would take the opportunity. Porky won the evil lottery, but he wasn't entirely a victim of circumstance. Ness was (presumably) presented the same temptation and rejected it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eN2aF0oR-0
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>makes thousands of dollars just by beating up wild animals and batshit crazy adults
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>>5112394
That's Lucas, Ninten and Ness leech off their hard working dads.
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>>5112553
>lucasfag didnt even play the games
wew
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>>5113584
Akshully he's correct.
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>>5113584
You're dad deposits money on your ATM the fact you gain up more cash by beating enemies is unrelated in canon.
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>>5113593
source?
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what an awful thread.
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>>5113609
There is no such thing as a comfy Mother thread. They all inevitably get infested by pedophiles and autists.
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>>5113606
The way the mechanic works in game money is obviously rewarded for enemies you kill but the in-game story explanation is that your dad just deposits thousands of dollars in your account for NO reason.
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>>5113609
>>5113616
it's sad. i love the series to death but these threads make me loathe the fanbase.
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>>5113693
I said before to stop making these threads one after another like generals, but you faggots wouldn't listen. There isn't enough to talk about in this series to sustain constant threads.
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>>5113621
He is a good dad
>>5113750
There is a lot of material to talk about, like how Mother 3 triggers PTSD
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>>5114225
>Mother 3 triggers PTSD
mother 3 wasn't that bad
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You guys should wait at least a month or two before making a new thread
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>>5113609
>>5113616
>>5114258
there's really only one pedo shitter in this thread and the thread is pretty good besides that.
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So what the hell was up with that mole that spawns near the drug store in Dusty Dunes Desert? The one in the Deep Darkness as well.
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>>5116109
Programming error.





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