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Why does everyone love it so much?
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>>5097816
The opinions of e-celebs, blind Nintendo fanboyism, and nostalgia.
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This thread is gay
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just about everyone likes it for the variety of moves you can do and the fun challenges, did you play it on emulator with a keyboard?
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>>5097816
Me on the right.
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>>5097816
I'm going to put as much effort in my reply as you put in the op wojak image.
It's because
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>>5097816

God, these current memes all suck.

Mario 64 wasn't really much of a collect-a-thon. most of the items were locked behind some sort of challenge.
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beware you will summon the mario64 autist, and then we will never hear the end of how mario64 is perfect and if you think otherwise you must be bad at games
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>>5097850
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>>5097816
Because it is fun. Is it as fun as the other Super Mario games which preceded it? Maybe not, but it is enjoyable in it's own right. It was pretty mindblowing for me when it came out, though.
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>>5097816
I'll take it a step further and say that ocarina of time fucking blows
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>>5097876
do you have any reason for this conclusion? do you think it sucked the day it came out, or only now compared to modern games?
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>>5097816
Incredibly deep movement mechanics.
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>>5097915
incredibly deep bowel movements
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>>5097876
I fell like you think you're being edgy there. You seem new though since that's THE /vr/ zoomer opinion of OoT
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something something speedrunning something something skill ceiling
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I feel like these types of threads only exist so these people can post their shitty boomer memes. Also when are some visual memes that aren't just re-edits of pepe and wojack going to come around? 4chan used to be the power house of memes. Now we're about as creative as 14 year olds on deviantart making Sonic recolors.
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>>5097915
Yes we get it Mario 64 has physics (like every other 3D platformer)
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>>5097850
>most of the items were locked behind some sort of challenge.
Such as "Kill Big Bully", then "Kill 3 Bullies and Big Bully who is right next to the original Big Bully"
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Melee is where it peaked
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>>5097816
did you make that image?
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>>5097939
lmao
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>>5098042
Sometimes less is more, anon. Wojak memes have infinite exploitability potential, as shown in OPs picture.
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>>5098081
So did the Sega Genesis. That doesn't mean it was a good idea to keep stacking shit on top of it long into it's life cycle though.
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SM64 came out in 1996 and I was 17. It mildly exceeded my expectations for smooth and satisfying 3D mario-style gameplay. I played it a few times without ever beating it and moved on. It left a positive feeling but I never bothered to go back and do any kind of detached critical analysis of the game.

OoT came out in 1998 and I don't think I played it until 1999. My expectations for Zelda were higher given how much I loved the LoZ and ALTTP. My initial play left me with a kind of hollow feeling of disappointment and I really couldn't put my finger on why. I shrugged it off as just having other games that interested me at the time (FF5 with the RPGe patch, Final Fantasy Tactics, X-Wing Alliance, and then Everquest).

So when I went back to play through Ocarina again a few years later, I was so bored I started taking notes about why. But it wasn't until Dark Souls came out later on that I really realized why Ocarina had been so disappointing to me.
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OP's pic is correct but it's still fun if you're not a zoomer eBayby with 3 seconds of attention span. It's one of those games that aged like a fine cheese.
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>>5098081
>infinite exploitability potential
Hard to have potential when it was shit from the start.
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>muh collectibles

A star is just the equivalent of a goalpost/flag from a 2D mario game transposed into 3D.
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This thread sucks and is full of nu-memes that frankly, are smoking shit. So i'll better clean it up with some sane cultistposting ESCO MARANAX INFIRMUX GERO SHAY CRUO PESTIS CRUENTO MARAAAANAAAAAAX PALLEX
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>>5097816
I love it because I think the total opposite of your reasons.
>the controls are clunky
this game has a lot of moves and they are really smooth to perform, there's nothing more fun than doing backflips, wall jumps or sliding i this game
>the world feels exrremely empty
there's so much stuff to see, like a pyramid full of traps, a sunken city, all the different thigns there are in rainbow road, that world that changes from big to small...
>devoid of life
maybe if you're expecting more NPCs, but there are a lot of enemies in the worlds
>you can only collect the same collectable for so long ebfore becoming bored
what does this even mean? you're supposed to get each collectable once in a playthrough. if you are talking about replayability, you will get bored of any game from doing the same thing over and over
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>>5097816
Why does op insist on spamming this thread. We all no the game was just OK. If you need (you)s this bad, seek help
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I am so god damn sick of these dumb wojak variations
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>>5097876
Nice meta joke
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>>5098050
Then go shit on the other platformers too. There doesn't need to be a hate thread up for this game 24/7
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>>5098323
Then take this handy-dandy Wojak Killer™
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>>5098160
Well don't leave us hanging, what bored you about oot?
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>>5098160
i am interested, keep goin homeslice
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Serious question, does anyone ever use the triple jump outside of parts where you need to fly without a cannon? Thr back step flip gets as much height with almost as much momentum with no setup.
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It's better than Sunshine and Galaxy for sure. The only new Mario game to match it is 3D World
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>>5099262
The triple jump is useful for getting up steep slopes.
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>Why does everyone love it so much
Neat controls and mechanics, all the tricks you can do with Mario, multiple ways to get any star, and pretty nice design.
It's overrated as all fuck, but there is a good reason why it's appreciated as much as it is.
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>>5097890
>>5097927
Repetitive combat, uninspired bosses, empty fields and crowded tunnels, every puzzle is pushing boxes/pulling switches, rewards for exploration are worthless, shops are useless since all items are in the grass, and I could go on.
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If you wanted me to take your opinion seriously, you could at least do it not usng shitty /v/ memes.
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>>5097871
Are you aware that you are announcing that you have a form of sociopathy in calling some people NPCs? It's literally one of the symptoms according to the DSM.

>t psych student
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>>5097816
I hated mario 64 as a kid, I didn't like the N64 in general though, I liked my saturn and ps1 much more as they had better games
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>>5099414
>psych student

Yeah I'll have a large curly fries and a strawberry milk shake
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>>5097816
It's the first open world game I played. Maybe it's a huge turd, but it doesn't matter because of how mind blowing it was at the time.
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>>5097816
SM64 has tiny levels as opposed to odyssey where the controls are really good but everything is spread apart by square miles of nothingness and pointless puzzles.
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>>5099423
What a retarded kid that was.

>>5097816
It feels timeless and you've drown on it before you even know it.
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>>5098042
>*crack*
>*sip*
>Yep, they just don't make memes like they used to.
>Now troll face? THERE was a real meme.
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>>5099917
11/shitty boomer meme shipost
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You guys do know all the other boards quit using this meme a month ago right? It’s over. Dead.
Maybe you navel-gazing faggots should talk about video games instead.
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>>5098042
that's called evolution
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>>5098354
saved
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>>5099939
>retro board uses retro memes

Damn son, I gotta dust off one of my old HDDs and bring back Grinman
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>boomers bootyblasted over newfangled memes
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>>5099426
lol
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Contrarianism is creativity for the untalented
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I think Super Mario 3D Land is a more enjoyable game because it's focused just on platforming instead of collecting stuff. There's nothing as awful as painfully dull as Jolly Roger Bay in SM3DL. SM64 is great but there's a lot of padding and not-platforming in it.
That's my hot take for this hot take thread.
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>>5099968
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>>5097850
I wish the staff would word filter boomer and zoomer, it was kind of amusing for maybe a week but it's all over the site now. It's getting to be as bad as pony shit was.
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Based OP!
IKTF. SM64 aged poorly haha, controls are clunky and the N64 controller is for 3-handed mutants lol! Newer games are much better, I love retro 2D games like Guacameelee thou :D
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This board is officially as shit as /v/ now. In any other universe where it wasn't, this shitty low quality thread would be deleted immediately.
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>>5099414
Its not a meme about social adeptness you dumb NPC.
You'll never have a conscious thought, you'll never be capable of introspection. Things will only happen to you and prompt a reaction, like a machine. No wonder you don't believe in the metaphysical.
You only experience reactionary emotions and vague feelings about things. You should just kill yourself. Even animals have a language of sight and you don't even have that.
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>>5100117
>jpg
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>>5100171
>>5100453
Nothing says "independent thoughts" like reflexively posting Wojak memes whenever you see something that you disagree with in any way. Most people don't give enough of a shit to have an opinion about SM64 one way or another. You are like a tribesman on Sentinel Island throwing spears at helicopters because you are afraid of anything that challenges your opinions. I'm not going to call you an NPC because thats retarded. Not everything needs to be le ebic bideogame reference. You are part of what's killing this site though.
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>>5100453
Jesus this projection
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what is this gay shit
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>>5100504
Also I guess I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't contribute to the actual conversation.

I actually think Super Mario 64 aged very well. The toolset given to you for movement and the underlying physics of the game makes it feel like there is legitimate room for creative play on the part of the player to a degree that few if any other 3D platformers allow. Comparatively, modern platformers tend to rely on highly scripted paths through stages, while its contemporaries either were highly rigid like Tomb Raider, or else had a less expansive toolset like Spyro.
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>>5100532
neo-/v/ where it's summer every day
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>>5100519
>No you
Cleverbot is being non-sequiter again
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>>5100504
post shitty wojaks, get shitty wojak replies.
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>>5098230
I appreciate you cleaning up this thread with some good memes but now it's time to start piling up the bodies
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>>5098042
Never, because original content requires effort to make, while anybody can endlessly repost the same shitty wojak while making edits of them that require no creativity it talent because they've decided that that a good wojak is as ugly and shitty as possible.

It's the image equivalent of somebody shitting their pants, sticking their hand in, then smearing it in their own face and wandering around so they can giggle at people being bothered by the smell.
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>>5100453
>i'm not a sociopath!! so anyway, here's my batshit mindcastle i just came up with about some stranger on the internet i've had a sentence-worth of interaction with. also magic is real
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>>5100453
>you just rely on emotions haha please believe in metaphysics tho
eternal reminder that everyone who posts about npcs is an npc
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>>5097816
>clunky controls
nope. typical zoomer/npc opinion about any old 3d game. 64's controls have aged incredibly well. mario has very smooth movement and physics and can do about everything you'd want him to do. as opposed to every preceeding 3d mario title (galaxy especially though odyssey wasn't much better)
>camera
the camera, while stiff, is only ever really an issue for me in the upper part of wet-dry world. otherwise, the worlds usually give you enough space and are well-directed enough to where you don't really need to fiddle with it much
>worlds completely empty and devoid of life
uh sorry, we're talking about odyssey here, right? mario 64's levels are mostly kinda small and make pretty elegant use of their space. i can't think of a single space in bob-omb battlefield where something unique isn't going on.
>and you can only collect the same collectable
...ok? just getting the star isn't the point. it's about getting to it. and every star but the red coins one offer a unique challenge in order to get to it.
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>>5099940
That image clearly shows devolution
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>>5098354
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>>5101352
ARE WE NOT MEN?
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>>5101372
WE ARE DEVO
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>>5099254
>>5099260
main thing was infrequent combat.
At the time, I'd allocate an hour or two to vidya a few times per week. During the 2nd or 3rd Ocarina session I looked at the clock and realized I'd just played for a whole fucking hour and hadn't faced a single enemy. This is far and away the most disappointing aspect of the game.

Another thing I thought was mildly lame was the "discovering a special 3D mechanic is the puzzle" dynamic. For example, the puzzle to get through the Deku tree involves lighting a torch on fire and then discovering that you can burn a spider web that's in your way. I think there's another spider web you can burn to get a treasure or something. I don't think this is horrible gameplay or anything, it just felt like it was a specially crafted gimmick that had a single payoff in that one moment of discovery, then I wouldn't see it again for the rest of the game (or maybe one more time in some later level). There would just be new revelations as I discovered some new specially implemented gimmick to make the 3D world feel interactive.

Overall it just felt like I was doing the equivalent of a series of MMO fetch quests. I was just completing tasks for NPCs to unlock a new area with new tasks to complete. The dungeon puzzles were OK but just rather unsatisfying for how long it took. Maybe if I'd played the game a dozen times as a kid and was able to blow through the early game in 20 minutes I would have enjoyed it more.
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>>5099940
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>>5097816
Eh, it was better than Banjo-Kazooie
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>>5097816
It was a product of it's time.
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the movement is much more free and bombastic, yet with grounded physics and controls to keep the world together while you do amazing jumping tech. As much as I love Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo isn't nearly as mobile in controls or platforming.
Has it aged? Yes. Is the soundtrack and environments pretty barebones? Yes. But Mario 64 still to this day feels great, controls great.
>>5097816
>controls are clunky
I feel as if this is bait. The camera is clunky, but the controls are as smooth as butter, which is amazing for a 64 game to be this good. I feel like people will praise it for decades to come, and I feel like with Mario Odyssey Nintendo realized how much of a good design grounded yet free movement in 3d platformers are.
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>>5099414
The same can be said about calling people nazis and Russian bots, especially since those people aren't even doing it ironically ;^)
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>>5101738
What are you talking about? Nobody in this thread mentioned any of those things. Stop trying to change the subject.
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>>5101738
if you're being called a nazi or "russian bot" constantly, you're probably at best an annoying faggot
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>>5097816
This, I don't know why everyone loves shitty wojak memes either
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>>5101738
>Every time I say I want to exterminate (((jews))) and all the other subhumans, some NPC is programmed to call me a nazi! What a bunch of NPCs!
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>>5102490
Not him, but to be fair you can't even discuss basic politics with these people. Mention Zionism and you're a Natzieee!
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>>5099940
2012 > 2018 >>> 2015 > 2005 >>> 2008
Also needs a black&white r*ddit rage comic version for ~2010.
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>>5102496
There are no "these people". You do realize that most of the opposition to Israel's expansion into Palestinian territory are left wing right? The people who don't want any discussion of zionist policy are generally pretty conservative.
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>>5102496
all the Not Nazis whining about zionism just end up owning themselves anyway since they have and keep trying to elect the most powerful pro-zionist stronghold in US history
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>>5102606
wtf I love liberalism now
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>>5102618
wtf you support zionism while pretending to be against it now
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>>5102607
And by the fact that their far right views are no different from zionism.
>>5102627
That's a good description of /pol
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this thread sucks but sm64 is one of those games where just running around and jumping off shit is fun
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>>5102650
zionism is a far right view lol.
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>>5097838
But even with the variety of moves you can do, it's all about finding a collectible. And it's not challenging.

I don't mean to annoy anyone, just my view. etc.
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>>5104524
the difference between collectathons and sm64 is sm64 actually increases in difficulty and there really isnt much to collect, aside from the tiresome 100 coin stars. the stars aren't really collectables, they are goal posts, and the caps are powerups.
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>>5102490

Is that a bad thing?
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>>5102456
yes, being annoyed that not everyone thinks exactly like you do is a typical libtard trait.
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>>5104569
> 10 opposing party supporter detected
> 20 PRINT "stop posting faggit <opposing party>"
> 30 goto 10

You're both valuable people with diverse and interesting world views.
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>>5104524


>not challenging

try getting 100 coins on rainbow ride dude, that's pretty tough
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>>5097816

What is the opposite of nostalgia? Playing this game reminds me of being 13 and poor while living with my crazy father in a messy house.
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>>5104569
did you scour the 10th page of /vr/ just to find a post hypothetically calling you an annoying faggot? so you're an insecure annoying faggot too
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>>5104620
>10 opinion detected
>20 PRINT <le both sides are idiots>
literally the most npc view of all. you don't even have an opinion
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>>5104569
he says as he's annoyed by me not thinking exactly like he does. keep owning yourself you nazi russian bot
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>>5104884
10 PRINT "FUCK OFF"
20 GOTO 10
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>>5104620
5 CLS
10 LOCATE 8, 12
20 PLAY "ABCDEF:FEDCBA"
30 PRINT "EAT A DICK FAG"
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>>5102490
this is very dishonest of you anon, people get called nazis all the time for far less than that
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>>5104968
>some sjw retard called me a nazi so i'm gonna become an actual nazi to piss them off lol
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>>5104923
On the topic of actual retro stuff,, if I made a thread where I dump Family Basic code would anyone here be interested?
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>>5097816
the fact is, if you were not there during the mario 64 release, or snes to n64 transition...you will never get how important this game was. (sorry for bad syntax) people talking shit about mario 64 is a great sounding board for the validity of their opinion.
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>>5104913
At least you managed actual code this time. What a loser.
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>>5105072
I wish Edgar was here, he would take care of you with his doomsday code.
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>>5104884
I have an opinion, i'm just not enough of an empty shell to need to post faggoty political snipes on /vr/.

>>5105072
>"Hey mum i know basic!!"
>What is autism

>>5104804
Trauma?
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>>5104985
I was born after SM64's release and understand how important and impressive it was, as well as just enjoying it as a timeless game. It has nothing to do with "being there at the time" or anything, it's just retards being retards as always.
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>controls are clunky
They're pretty responsive and intuitive, desu. That said, a lot of the damage/effects took away control for just a bit too long (catching fire, being knocked back, etc.).

>so is the camera
It's very clunky, but it usually gets the job done. I don't remember fighting with it very much.

>world feels extremely empty and devoid of life
This is also true to some extent; probably due to limited cartridge space, the developers focused more on platforming/navigation than on defeating enemies. I don't see why this is a flaw, though. A level's layout can be fun in and of itself, as many of them are until the third floor.

>And you can only collect the same collectable for so long before becoming bored
I could see this being applied to an actual collectable like the blue coins in Super Mario Sunshine, but the power stars are really just end-of-level flags reskinned for the third dimension. It would be just as valid to complain
>And you can only take down the same flag for so long before becoming bored
for the first game, though I guess if you don't like that one you wouldn't like 64 very much.
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>>5105135
>I have an opinion, i'm just not enough of an empty shell to need to post faggoty political snipes on /vr/.
i would agree if the npc meme wasn't riddled with politics to begin with. you're part of the problem
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>/pol/shit is spreading even to /vr/
Well I guess it was inevitable. Their cancer knows no bounds.
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>>5105426
Exactly, thank you. I was around and it was wonderful at the time, it's also a great game to play today. I'm not even sure it was that important, it was more emblematic of a big step forward in videogame technology than really producing any new concepts that wouldn't have come about anyway later (unlike for example survival games that started a whole genre). I suggest that poster takes a long look at his posts, why he feels the need to insult games like this by implying people only say good things about it now because it was "important for its time" and thus enlightened he can do the world a favour by killing himself.
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>world feels extremely empty and devoid of life
honestly, i do sorta agree with this but i think it's actually a plus. i miss the early 3d era of games when there seemed to be more of a focus on creating surreal, almost kind of psychedelic settings that really let the player breathe and think about what the world around them means for themselves.
i much prefer that to every game today feeling the need to contextualize absolutely everything. it leaves so much less of an impression on the player because the player is never allowed to impress anything on it
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op here, stroking my dick at all these responses. thanks.
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>>5105454
/vr/ is mostly disingenuous hot takes anyway
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>>5100760
At least the NPCs come with spell check, retard.
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>>5104974
who are you quoting?
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>programming 'jokes'
yikes, this npc shit is the most virgin meme yet
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Honestly, the biggest reason I dislike 64 and every Mario game after that is that they gave him a voice, and it just had to be an obnoxious mickey mouse bootleg with retarded accent.
It's ridiculously annoying, there's a voice clip for every move so it plays every 5 seconds and you can't even turn it off.
Can't be fucked to even explore the game to form an adequate opinion when first 10 minutes of the game drive me up the wall.
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>>5105867
Maybe it's my nostalgia making it pass, but I believe his voice implementation in 64 isn't bad. His "yahoo" screams I think help give a good feedback when you do a triple jump or a long jump, etc. His voice sounds quirky but it doesn't bother me. Somehow it makes sense that 3D Mario has a voice.
The problem was giving a voice to 2D Mario. Sometimes I feel like I want SMW GBA just for the extras, then I remember it has voice acting. That's criminal.
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>>5105626
>calls a meme 'virgin'
>posts on a weeaboo website on the board where adults discuss children's toys.
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>>5105879
>Somehow it makes sense that 3D Mario has a voice.
It's a trend/trope i think. It's not just mario, a lot of 3rd person 3d games have voice acting for the protagonist, whereas i can't think of any 2d platformers i've played where your character speaks.
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>>5105889
Yeah, I think in the end it could have still worked with other sound effects as used in previous Mario games.
Fun fact: The Japanese version of Mario Kart 64 doesn't have Martinet's voice in the menu screen or the title screen. The title screen has a bunch of kids yelling "MARIO KAATO!" and the menues have an english narrator ala Wave Race 64 (might be the same one)
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>>5105450
Accusations of russian bots is not a /pol/ thing it's Blue Check Twitter thing. I mean it's fine if you want to be ignorant I come here to avoid all that shit too but don't be a hypocritical shit and pretend like you aren't taking sides.

>>5105135
>i'm just not enough of an empty shell to need to post faggoty political snipes on /vr/.
And yet that's exactly what you did.
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>>5097816
It's just fanboyism. Happens with literally everything. There were Sonic fans defending '06 back in the day
If you try hard enough, you can probably find people that defend the 3DO or CD-i
Not that Mario 64 is anywhere near as bad as any of those but I do feel like it's outdated or surpassed by a lot of the Mario games that came after it, making all the glory that it receives kind of jarring
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>>5105942
What you're saying it's understandable from a superfician POV, but if you spend some time actually playing Mario 64 and the newer games, you do feel like the newer ones are more stiff and limited. The reason SM64 keeps getting praise from video game enthusiasts is because of the gameplay mechanics.
And personally I enjoy Mario 64's art direction more than in any recent Mario, even if the graphics are outdated.
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>>5097816
>controls are clunky
they are pixel perfect. you are clearly emulating it, give it a try on original hardware. imo any input lag kills platformers like this when emulating
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>>5105889
Abe's Oddysee, which funnily has speech as a core game mechanic
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>>5097816
Sunshine is better. Sixthgen soon, fags.
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>>5105867
This is why I don't play Banjo Kazooie.
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>>5101535
fucking kek m9
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>>5104620
epic meme fellow pede, post some more so I can own libs on twitter with them





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