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Behold, the last Pathfinder content made by Owlcat, there will be no more Pathfinder after this
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>>3501983
Hmmm.
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>>3501983
They will adapt the Runelord APs and it will be 1e.
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>>3501983
>there will be no more Pathfinder after this
Good.
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I'm hyped for the new archetypes, and I hope there will be some interesting new items too.
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>>3501983
game is trash. yes, ive played it
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>>3502006
I believe.
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>>3502084
God dungeon meshi is such goyslop
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>>3502084
>I'm hyped
No you aren't.
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>>3502101
Just seeing the new acranist archetype alone has me intrigued.
You can be a joyeless faggot entering threads to post how much he hates a game, but some people just want to play .
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>>3502139
I don't hate the game, quite enjoyed it. I just find it laughable to be "hyped" for archetypes and so I think you are posturing to provoke a response from "haters". Your response bears out my hypothesis, by the way.
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>>3502141
>lauaghable to be excited by the core way you interact with the game
Your fucking class determines most of your interactions in a combat heavy game.

Spell Fusion is completely new homebrew with no equivalent in tabletop or other Owlcat homebrew classes. If every archetype added was just 'remove on feature and slap bane or study target', you'd have had a point for that specific case, but disregarding archetypes wholesale is retarded
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>>3502101
Yes I am, Kinetic Sharpshooter is my dream class, I can't fucking wait, you can't unhype me it's too late, I'm going to have fun !
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>>3502169
>I'm going to have fun !
Doing what exactly
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>>3502175
Playing kinetic sharpshooter, ya dingbat!
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>>3502146
Wow.
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>>3502099
why
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>>3502099
and it's still 10000000x better than anything you like
interesting

captcha: KRORK
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>>3502466
I like Saihate no Paladin. It's considerably better than Meshi.
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>>3502473
wrong opinion
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>>3502478
Sorry, you are simply incorrect. Saihate no Paladin has some of the best theming of traditional Western fantasy that I've seen in recent years. The dialogue with the dragon and its overall portrayal was inspired, as well as the connection between magic and words and will. Truly great stuff, and it turns out the writer was an avid player of tabletop. The anime was garbage though.
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>>3502484
is that a freak dragon's dogma reference
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>>3502486
No.
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>>3502466
It's complete shit though and a jap drawing some western rpg characters doesn't change that.
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>>3501983
>no mention of adding Ember and Aivu romances
>just some devil shit
Hard pass.
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>>3502473
>Isekai shit
haha that's a cool bait honestly, good job man.

>>3502787
>no triple bloodlines for damage anymore
it's like Ember is just buff/debuff bot now?
>Aivu romance
what for?
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>>3502834
>what for?
Dragon cunny.
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>>3502834
Yes, even reincarnationshit is better than Dungeon Meshi, the story even incorporates it by having the character being a warrior priest devoted to the Goddess of Rebirth, at odds with the God of Undeath. It has zero focus on waifus though, so it filters incels.
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>>3502294
Dungeon Meshi is the manga equivalent of those japanese television contests in which gooks engage in ridiculous and oftentimes painful physical activities as a sadistic self humiliation ritual typical of their culture.
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>>3502960
>Yes, even reincarnationshit is better than Dungeon Meshi
>literally shits on shit he likes to shit more on things he doesn't
not a good look

>>3503045
oh now I understand
get better soon
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>>3503045
Yes complete shit.
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>>3503107
u mad
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>>3503116
nou
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>>3503107
>>literally shits on shit
No.
>not a good look
Don't care.
>oh now I understand
No, you don't. That's okay though.
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>>3503118
wew
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>>3502084
>Aloth but no Ydwin
Terrible taste
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>twitter memes
this dude plays hellknight
or something judge dreddy, Inquis?
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>this newfag
roflcopter
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>>3503132
post your subtitled impact font memes to the reddit, oldsir!
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>>3503133
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>>3502473
>isKEKai
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>>3502834
>>3503197
dungeon meshi is native isekai
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>>3503197
Yes.
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>native isekai
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>>3503205
Only low IQ fags like you who read the term on KYM think native isekai is meant to literally describe other world stories and not the tropey bastardization of the fantasy genre cultivated by decades of uninspired JRPG slop that is ultimately responsible for the existence of the modern 'isekai' to begin with. It's not a criticism of other world stories, it's a criticism of how dogshit and uninspired japanese fantasy is.
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>>3503207
its absolutely not a grand high IQ criticism, dunno what you're on about
its a fucking /a/ meme
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Thinking of finally finishing Kingmaker in preparation to play WotR for the first time.
Are the majority of the bugs fixed and are all the DLC worth it? Steam reviews seem to be mixed for them, mostly laying blame on how unbalanced the DLC content is. Will still get the Tiefling DLC regardless cause the new companions look cute.
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>>3503746
>Tiefling twins DLC
Cute characters, though their content is weirdly spaced and kingmaker combos for chaacter interactions can be weird in general (you can have a party interjecting constantly or a silent one in the same chapter). And kineticist is a strong class that works differently from he rest.

>Varnhold
The best standalone of Owlcat probably, if you do not like roguelikes.
Levels 5-8 are a good point where a build starts coming together. Varn and Asmodeus Wizard are inteesting enough, you have a couple quests beyond combat and Varnhold dungeon is one of the better designed ones from owlcat (both for battles and puzzles). Not something AMAZING mind you.

>Beneath stolen lands
The roguelike part is nice with a few interesting bosses. Good foe trying parties and achetypes. Implementation is kinda boring and ruins xp progression a bit, but not as badly as the WOTR one did
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>>3503753
>Varnhold dungeon is one of the better designed ones from owlcat
That's good to hear, the steam page did highlight a huge dungeon so I was hoping it'd be good. I've always been a fan of larger dungeons in both RPG's and MMO's, really tests your ability to conserve resources and to not get too greedy.
>Implementation is kinda boring and ruins xp progression a bit, but not as badly as the WOTR one did
Are there multiple WOTR DLC I should avoid? Was just going to download them all once the final one drops on the 13th and start my playthrough.
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>>3503759
Just remember to buy scrolls for buffs.
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>>3503759
This is a repost.

>Worth it
Sarkorian DLC. Ulbrig is a companion with his own quest and brings a new class with him (plus his unique archetype. Simple, fitting and has funny interjections, honestly.
>Good value
Midnight Isles (standalone). If you enjoy trying archetypes and team compositions, you will enjoy playing runs here. Some of the conditions/traps are also interesting to deal with for a roguelike adventure. The main campaign implementation kinda sucks and fucks over progression to your favor a bit too much.

Lord of nothing is a decent mid level campaign. Nothing amazing (not as good as Varnhold DLC), but good. The boss you get in the main campaign is fun.
>Polarizing
Through the ashes. Mot just low level, but survival adventure where fighting is very disantvantageous. I enjoy the concept and tryong to keep everyoen alive is a decent challenge, but clunky isometric ,movement Owlcat style make it hard.. Adds nothing to the main campain as well and aside for two instances, not really needed to play it's sequel in Lord of Nothing
>Essentially Trash
Inevitable Excess. 'Post' endgame campaign , max rank and level. You get like 90% of your encounters being the same two groups of enemies with immunities Galu Style amd Owlcat puzzle design that is IMO worse than the Enigma (some of the tileset and number crunching there was enjoyed by a few). You do not get to enjoy the story that has barely time to do something interesting with it's concept. At least the two final boss fights are kinda cool and it has another Darkness superboss. But not worth it, IMO. Barely worth a pirate.
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How do I make him? I'm thinking Cavalier Aeon.
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>>3501983
Good riddance. Kingmaker was pretty good. Wrath of The Righteous had a bad case of Spore-syndrome of doing different games and doing them all wrong - plus none of the NPCs were tolerable, not even the sour evil gnome
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>>3504268
definitely 100% cavalier, though you might consider Knight of the Wall for the greater focus on being a sword&boarder

thematically I think Hellknight would be appropriate, especially if you lean heavily into lawtism
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>>3504268
>make my character for me
lol
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>>3504396
>not enjoying helping other anons try to figure things out
dude come on
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>>3504268
Since he uses a sword instead of spear and he appears everywhere, Arcane Rider Magus could be fun. With a dip of Ghost Rider
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>>3504399
i'm helping you guys figure out that creating your own character is fun and directly telling someone else how to express a character concept is gay.
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Legend
20 Disciple of the Pike
20 Fighter
hit man with sharp stick good
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>>3504407
Previous mythic path?
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>>3503746
Imagine Valerie but black, ugly and with Amiris retarded temperament sprinkled with ghetto-black voiceover - that more or less sums up Wrath of The Righteous.
Now if you truly want to endure that game, it gets bearable around chapter 3, but it doesn't rival Kingmaker.
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>>3504571
Seelah is nothing like Valerie and Amiri
And she's just a single character that you can get rid of the instant you finish the prologue if she triggers you that much
What a retarded post
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>>3504571
The only way to play WotR is with a custom party of mercs.
The only way to play Kingmaker is also with a custom party of mercs.
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>>3504574
Brush your teeth swathy
>>3504582
Agreed
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>>3504571
Luckily I was unironically planning on just going
>human/male/paladin/frontliner
for my first playthrough so I'll probably be kicking Seelah anyways the moment I get excess party members. Something about a setting full of demons and crusades has made me want to go full Dues Vult where usually I'd just play a ranged spell caster.
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>>3504596
>Something about a setting full of demons and crusades has made me want to go full Dues Vult
Yes, it's basically perfect for an angel path paladin MC.
And then you meet S*elah and you go "How do you do, fellow crusader of Iomedae" and she goes "YOU'RE MY KIND OF CRAZY!"
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>>3504610
Yeah, the worst thing about these "APs" are the awful tabeltop game designer OCs and Paizo seems especially bad about it. Tabletop is where you get an exceptional amount of hackery, from Eliminster down.
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>>3504610
If it wasn't for her combat barks, I'd rank her as one of the least offensive companions in an rpg party, honestly. And you can mute those
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>>3504268
Ghost rider fighter legend
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I want my gun loli! God damnit kingmaker let FREEDOM RING
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>>3505065
>You'll want to create your own party members
This.
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>>3505065
I'll take my succubus wife, my bros the lizard the faggot and the thief, and my daughteru elf, thanks
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>>3505065
>Chinese spy
who?
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>>3502099
Can't say I particularly rate it either. The concepts seem so nebulous and insipid. Hard to watch after lodoss, claymore or even goblin slayer.
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>>3502099
>>3505073
Cope freiretards
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>>3505065
>Maybe the undead companions are better if you're playing as a lich,
They're better in that they have no personality at all and >10 lines across the entire game amongst all of them
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>>3505065
i take the succ wife, tall loli elf witch, manlet black knight, Half-lizard Kaiden and the griffon druid
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>>3504395
The sword and board bonuses from wall aren't that useful and I feel like ghost rider is more thematic. Hellknight somewhat works but the class is awful and the pet levels will be bad.
>>3504404
>Arcane Rider Magus
That might actually be more fitting given the way his sword works. Will using a sword and shield cause any problems for me?
>>3505033
If I was going a legend hybrid I think slayer would make more thematic sense.
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>>3505289
Shield is not something the magus really does(due to spell combat) and rider wears only light armor , so it becomes less thematic in that regard. Perhaps Pure Ghost Rider is the best option
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>>3501983
Ehh normally I'd say it's worth making your own IP but I do want Pathfinder games
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Why does Owlcat hate Lawful alignments so much? It was more egregious in Kingmaker, but even in a game ostensibly about paladins smiting demons, most of the Lawful dialogue options are heartless at best and actively malicious at worst. Meanwhile all the good guys you're supposed to like are Chaotic. Neither Lann nor Seelah live up to their Lawful alignment; they just have it as the prerequisite for their class.
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>>3505740
>Meanwhile all the good guys you're supposed to like are Chaotic
??? The only good chaotic character is Arue, Woljif is a selfish thief, he's not evil but he's by no means good either
>Lann
>Not lawful
Lawfags have some seriously high standards huh
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>>3505740
>The guy who wants to hang all people who steal from the cursader's, quotes crime statistic, declare martial law on Nerosyan, is respected by regill and recommended to become a hellknight is not lawful
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>>3505740
Lawful was awesome in Kingmaker
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>>3505827
There was a great one in WotR too, although it was implicitly [lawful neutral] since they dumbed down alignment dialogues. Where the necromancer is taunting Sosiel about how since he surrendered and gave up his items, you can’t do anything to him now. “Lol no, as knight commander of the crusade I sentence you to death for your crimes and will carry out the sentence immediately”
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>>3505744
>Lawfags have some seriously high standards
There's nothing a Lawfag hates more than a Lawfag that's only slightly less good or evil than him.
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I guess dumping Nenio in first chapter and making custom wizard isn't bad idea, I can't stand her.
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>>3506863
You miss out on her quests(which some may say is a boon in itself) and the rest of the cast calling her retarded, but sure
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>>3506863
Indeed
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>>3506865
yeah I've played WOTR year or two ago I know I'll miss sweet sweet XP, but dealing with quest puzzles and equivalent of 5 years old kid pretending to be scientist isn't worth XP.
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>>>/vg/480135301
>>>/vg/480135301
>>>/vg/480135301
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>>3506890
Don't bring your /vg/ drama here retard, kys
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>Don't bring your /vg/ drama here retard, kys
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Like my build?
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>>3506890
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>>3506897
reddit character
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>>3506896
>dumping a stat
see
>>3506897
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>>3506896
No it’s complete shit.And dumping that much hurts you more than you benefit .
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>>3505077

They're both good. You can like both unless you are a windowlicker with a baby dick. Cope-a-Cabana.
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>>3506890
kill yourself Camfag
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>>3506869
>but dealing with quest puzzles and equivalent of 5 years old kid pretending to be scientist isn't worth XP
Holy based.
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>>3506890
Looks like schizo general
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>>3505814
I just hate that hes programmed to simp
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>>3505053
Guns WHEN!?
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>>3506892
Anon, everyone from that thread is here. No one else is posting here.
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i wanted to like wotr but then i realized i'm just wasting my time prebuffing and skipping through faggotry
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>>3507251
Bubblebuffs was enough for me, thankfully
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>>3507198
wait for Iron gods soon to be announced at 2025
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>>3504490
Azata for the unga bunga element ofcourse
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recommended mods
Also looking for one to respec companions from scratch or lvl 1 if that's not possible
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>>3507356
>Numeria
Never going to happen.
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>>3507366
it's 90% going to be iron gods next. someone in the their pisscord even mentioned it and the android companion basically confirms it
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>>3507373
They actually want to sell copies of the game so it's most definitely not going to happen.Fantasy/sci-fi mixes just don't sell well and even among Pathfinder fans there is only a small minority that cares about Numeria.
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>>3507377
People also didn't care about mythic powers and demons before the game released.
>Fantasy/sci-fi mixes just don't sell well
it can. Techno barbarians & scientist sorcerer fighting against robots, cyborgs and alien beings sounds like a cool setting if done right
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What's the best way to handle enemy death clumps in Kingmaker?
Having this issue where realistically Valerie can only tank 3 mobs at a time and then everything just starts trickling down the side to beat the shit out of my lower AC melee which I have a ton of in the early game.
Best I got is Linzi with her grease wand but eventually that's going to run out and my main (a Druid) has only entangle for AoE CC which works terribly for my melee heavy line up.
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>>3502003
They said so themselves.
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>>3507384
Stinking cloud and delay poison on all your party members
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>>3507384
Your pet?
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>>3502099
seethe and cope tranny
>>3502473
>Saihate no Paladin
pfff HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
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Are any other mythic paths getting more content or is it just devil?
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>>3507405
Choose weather domain over a pet because I thought it would make that game too easy on challenging difficulty (with Deathdoor turned on). Kinda regretting that choice now that my druid feels like a piece of paper holding a scimitar. Might give him a sling soon and tell him to cope in the backline but I really need to unlock wildshape badly it seems.
>>3507388
I'll keep note of this tech once I unlock stinking cloud. Always nice to have a "I win" class combo on hand for when shit hits the fan.
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>>3507429
Just devil because they got cucked back when the EE came out
>what about GD
Yeah they stay cucked until further notice
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>>3507245
Kek no they're not, if they were this thread would be a million times worse. All we have to put up with is a few schizos that hate Owlcat
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>>3507365
toybox and buffbot are essential
visual adjustments 2 and combat relief are nice to have(both on github)
there is also a respec mod on github
I like using expanded content, table top tweaks and the isekai mod
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>>3507525
Based
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>>3507525
what does the isekai mod do
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>>3507384
>>3507438
Who else is in your party?

Linzi can learn grease so she's not relying on the wand, the clerics can stun people with sound burst and damn near anyone can be built into a passable backup tank for challenging.
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>>3507525
has visual adjustments been fixed yet? it broke severely last i checked.
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>>3507384
completely respect valorie into being a Old pnp version of fighter called lore warden (before the nerf). since it just gives bonuses to cmb its very easy to hack in with the editor mod. with a few dips she puts basically everything short of elder elementals on the ground, and even the latter with some help from void mage
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>>3507580
the one on nexus is broken, the one on github works
>>3507536
just gives you a bunch of silly and overpowered character creation options
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>>3507584
needing isekai cheat shit is for pussies. I made the whole gang of kids from TPN for a playthrough
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>>3507578
I'm actually early in the campaign where I've just unlocked all the starter characters (Val, Jael, Linzi, Amiri, Harr) and have just beaten Tartuccio. However the games a lot more brutal than what I remembered it to be when I played it a bit at launch years ago. I was a stronger PC, a necromancer-wizard, during that campaign but still I'm dying a shit ton.
>giant room full of centipedes and a giant one?
>drop an entangle, position everyone into the corridor, get spat at, surrounded and die anyways
>pack of 20 kobolds and a mage?
>one shots everyone before I even get a cast off (Yes I will be skilling Ini feats the next chance I get for my casters)
>pack of shitty sleepy bandits?
>Linzi fails a disarm, wakes them all, party still gets feared through her song, she dies, proceed to get wiped because my entangle doesn't matter they are all ranged and shoot me to death
I really feel like I'm save scumming once per area at this point. Maybe I should have looked up online builds for my characters rather than just wing it cause it seems like I've forgotten everything from my previous campaign.
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>>3507595
What difficulty are you playing on, did you max it out to “stat bloat min max 9000”?
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CAN THE DLC COME OUT NOW?! I WANT IT NOW!
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>>3507601
Should be base challenging difficulty but easier since I turned Death's Door on. Felt cheesy but it was pretty much the only way I could have beaten Tartuccio. Literally turned my PC's movement skill on that avoids AoO and ran into the kobolds for him to fry along with him.
Rest of the party could mop up after that.
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>>3507603
11 more days
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>>3507595
Centipedes ranged are a bad idea cause the acid is Touch AC. Sending your melee guys with Delay poison is the best idea (you should be leaving below Sycamore cleanup for as late as possible).
Even if you failed one coup de grace in the bandits, if you send everyone to do it, most of them should work.
Most Kobold groups are a joke, not sure what happened there.

You may be missing optional nodes and taking a bad path overall and going into sycamore without a full party or getting most of the xp possible beforehand, cause this is weird for a non0unfair run
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>>3505580
Why? Pathfinder is easily the worst fantasy setting I've ever seen. Owlcat would be better off making their own original setting or licensing virtually anything else in the fantasy genre.
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>>3507657
Cause he wants to lift the ruleset with it, perhaps?1st or 2nd edition
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>>3507603
I just want to beat the shit out of a demon with my book
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>>3507595
Generally speaking the problem with this game is a lack of dedicated channeler early in the game so i tend to just gestalt everyone so that you aren't boned at any given moment due to horrible party composition. once you have a couple healers you can rotate in and out (i normally completely retrain the assholimar into something else) and a dedicated CMB user out of valval you are pretty much unstoppable.
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>>3508071
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>>3508079
they cant. channeling is for healing in combat. generally against the bullshit like the bear you're supposed to get the healer from.
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>>3508082
Are you playing version 1.00 or something? The Treant has been nerfed and you can reach that point with a full party easily
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>>3508084
I normally play on unfair so maybe he seems nerfed to you but to me most of the enemies are too strong in that you basically cant easily hit them. theres no real aid another system either.
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Do we know anything about what the new story stuff will be other than the fact it's late game
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>>3505740
It turns out that, much like real life, law and order is largely a farce that serves to restrict good guys, shield the wealthy from consequences, and keep the lower classes in line. Rather hard to write being an autistic rules lawyer (ideological or literal in the case of aeons) as a good guy.

There's a reason a dedicated 'good' axis exists.
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>>3505740
They literally gave LN an entire mythic path.
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>>3508183
Yes anon.... every alignment has their own mythic path, that's not special
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>>3508179
>(((lawful evil))) exists, therefore, lawful good does not
Imagine being this disconnected from the glorious order of Heaven
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>>3507356
I dont care about that. I want guns for making murrica.
>>3508208
Thats (((CHAOTIC EVIL)))
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>>3508121
>A new adventure will take you back to Kenabres and beyond: to a new enemy's stronghold

>Personal events for every companion — you’ve seen them fight, now watch them have a day off

>A new romantic event with every romanceable companion

>An otherworldly arena where you can test your might against some truly mythic enemies

>11 new character archetypes, a new weapon and the ability to switch your grip on the weapon from one-handed to two-handed

>Fully voiced dialogues
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>Pozzfinder: Cuckmaker
>Pozzfinder: Wrath of the Reddditor
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>>3508184
Some alignment paths are semi covered by late paths, so it's not the same.
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>>3508392
>some
Two, and they're the NG and LE ones, so if anything those are the alignments that got fucked, not LN
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Genuine question someone please answer

Is the high level combat any fun at all? Is there the spell protection rps from bg2?

The videos online on any difficulty all involve a single dispell of all spell productions, then various ways to save or suck the boss. Who then just dies instantly.

That doesn't seem very fun. I already bought the game i am just on the frnce about investing hundreds of hours
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>>3509003
I think it's fun but it's very tedious if you don't at the very least have the buffbot mod
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>>3509003
No, the game sucks.
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>>3509003
strangely for such an autistic game they didn't dive into the spell protection rps that BG2 had
i.e..a Greater Dispel with high enough DC can nuke every protection, there is also no spell trap, spell trigger, contingencies etc. I'm not sure why.
No big dick level 9 spells like Wish or Time Stop either. The game is still good and has a lot of cool special spells unique to your mythic class, but I wouldn't say high level casting is anywhere near as fun as BG2
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>>3508377
>>Pozzfinder: Wrath of the Reddditor
Beware
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>>3509003
Honest answer? No. It fucking sucks.
Constantly running through the full suite of buffs sucks so everybody uses a mod. The game reaches some stupid limbo where you're still expected to buff up every single fight and build into meta on higher difficulties but then don't provide fights that can do anything beyond waste your fucking time when you fully empowered.

Most bosses that aren't hidden side bosses are usually vastly weaker than the fights you trudged through to the exception of 3.
The balance is very bad and there's nothing you can do to fix it.
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I'd really like another pathfinder game with the wotr class but in another, less high level setting.
I feel like a lot of archetype features are wasted because you fight mostly demons, for example some archetype get to do 1d4 or 6 elemental dmg as a special thing but it's pointless when everything gets at least 10 elemental dr
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>>3509378
You have a mythic power to bypass that.
Few archetypes are hindered because of that.
It's mostly shit like Defender of the True world (remnant from kingmaker) a
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>>3508113
>>3508071
>>3507583
Man, if you're struggling with unfair so much that you need to gestalt your characters through the early game and hack in custom archetypes then maybe you should just turn the difficulty down.
Isn't the appeal of playing unfair overcoming the challenge of it? Why would you bother if you're just going to cheat?
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>>3509378
in an ideal world they would release a modding tool like the neverwinter nights toolset and the fanbase could create whatever the hell it wanted for the next 2 decades
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>>3509296
Because it's a shitty barebones game.
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>>3509670
the hell are you talking about? I can just turn up the difficulty past it. besides all gestalt really does in the grand scheme of things is make it so I am not forced to lose features when I'm forced out of a character due to roleplay shenanigans. this isn't like beneath the stolen lands where you just get to make your party whole cloth, you're expected to nanny a bunch of lousy npcs that entire game. most of them loudly proclaim their ragetard shit whenever you do anything against them and then lower their scores in kingdom management or leave outright instead of just roleplay their alignment and character like a normal person by counterbalancing your actions. a chaotic nuetral theif for example should just go start a thieves guild not scream and shit and fart because the lawful character is being lawful.
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>>3509307
Do people think this is fun? Only tabletop pathfinder autists?

Also why the fuck would they get rid of timestop and simulacrum?
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>>3510151
>Only tabletop pathfinder autists?
On table top you don't need to buff as much and you have irl bubble buffs.
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>>3510158
Who thinks having bigger numbers is more fun than timestop?
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>>3501983
Finally, I won't have to constantly update mods
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>>3509003
Not really, game suffers from powercreep and devs can't took laziest way to balance it by recolouring monsters and giving them bigger stats, resists and so on.
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Thanks Lann! You're so awesome Lann!
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>>3510164
Why not having both?
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>>3509296
>I'm not sure why.
It's because 2nd Edition AD&D has far better magic than Pathfinder.
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>>3502099
It turns out the dungeon meshi author only liked bg and wizardry because they literally had no other choice. Their taste is absolutely terrible
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>>3501983
didn't Paizo and Owlcat get a deal worked out?
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>>3507424
>pfff HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
I accept your concession.
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>>3511087
People saying no more pathfinder were(still are) just making a baseless assertion.
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>>3511104
yeah that anon sure lost your laugh you lose challenge big time. epic play.
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>>3501983

I´m thinking on starting a new run as blade bound magus once this comes out however since i don´t yet know the full skill list i´ve been thinking that i may need to do magus to eldritch knight. With that in mind i´d like to know how exactly do fighter and diverse training work in this case.

According to the description of fighter training starting at lvl 10 the magus counts half it´s total magus levels as fighter levels for the purpose of gaining feats which, i take it, would mean at lvl 10 it counts as if the character had 5 lvls in fighter.

On the other hand Eldritch knight counts each eldritch knight lvl as a fighter lvl so at lvl 10 this should count as having 10 fighter lvls.

My question is if there is synergy between these two and it counts as having 15 lvls in fighter once you reach lvl 20 because that way one would be able to aim for a crit build with critical mastery at the end.
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>>3512007
Feels like a clumsy approach overall.
At least you do have dimensional strike
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>>3511719
I accept your inferiority.
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>>3512015

Clumsy how? Do you mean there´d be a more streamlined way to get the benefits from the 3 classes?
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>>3512056
I feel magus->EK is superfluous.
With buffs you hit trash, with Arcana you hit the bosses. You don't need too many fighter feats either for an effective build. Which feats or abilities elevate the build compared to pure magus?
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>>3505740
How the hell is Lann not Lawful? He's very community oriented and cares about the group and traditions over personal gain. Sure, he's not a prim and proper bastion of civilization but he's a literal Mongrel man, his pragmatism is to be expected considering how his people live.
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>>3512103
He is lawful thougheverbeit
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>>3512076

Personally i like to make DEX builds so i can focus on a single stat for both attk and AC. To that end the extra fighter feats are usually very useful.

It´s probably going to be a struggle to do without them but the point would be to bait the enemy into targeting the high AC character, dodge, counter and crit to trigger debuffs. In short use the enemies turns against them so to have more strategic options than reacting during one own turns.

Off course it kind of depends on what the tradeoff is going to be to that specific blade bond archetype. If the magic sword is too OP none of it may be necessary and i may think on a different build.
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>>3505740

Lann and Seelah are retards because they are good not because they are lawful. Regill is lawful and, maliciousness aside, he is the only one capable of strategic thinking and falling in line (which is hilarious for a fuchsia haired gnome)

My first run i went lawtist aeon myself and i fucking loved the ironic punishments.

Uga buga simped so hard he sacrificed everyone that trusted him and then, when confronted with the truth, wished for nothing but the sweet oblivion of death out of sheer shame, fuck him, he lives and serves.

Bitch queen endangered the war effort out of jealously because she needed to be the hero of the crusade. Fuck her, fired and reduced to an old irrelevant queen incapable of doing anything but wait.
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>>3512145
You don't need the extra BAB from EK to hit things, stops your arcana progression, and has 1 less CL, nor do you need it for high AC.
>counter and crit to trigger debuffs.
You mean with crane riposte? Not hugely consistent and critical mastery only comes online at level 19(fighter level 14). Going dex based and taking the crit focus kit seems to be a bit feat heavy.
>what the tradeoff is going to be to that specific blade bond archetype
If its like tt, then not much.
> If the magic sword is too OP
It seems to be basically a pet class.
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>>3512157
>Uga buga simped so hard he sacrificed everyone that trusted him and then, when confronted with the truth, wished for nothing but the sweet oblivion of death out of sheer shame
Who are you talking about, exactly? Staunton?
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>>3512175

Don´t remember his name. He was the chief of some camp that were allegedly allies but the chief had allowed demons (disguised as humans) to roam his village. There was also a blind woman that had been punished that way because she was somewhat able to see the truth. The chief of the camp allowed all this because he was infatuated with a demoness. He even aimed to escape or, failing that, wished to be charmed, to not see what he had done to his own people.

It was absolutely disgusting so the aeon made him see and forced him to live in shame and lead those he had failed. I absolutely loved it. I only wish Staunton could have been punished like that alas, you can properly torment him on the lich path.
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Have we got detailed breakdowns of each class and their progression yet?
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>>3512194
No, we never get the full progression before release
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>>3512195
Oh well. I'll just wait until it's released. Knowing Owlcat it doesn't matter cause the dlc will break the game for a couple weeks.
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>>3512007
Using Eldritch Knight with a non-full caster is a waste, you're throwing away all the class features you get from taking Magus levels for like 1 extra feat and spell critical, which is inherently weaker than it's supposed to be because your Magus levels only give you 6th level spells.

>>3512145
You get 1 extra feat, in comparison to being able to add +5 worth of effects to your weapon instead of +3. Granted +3 does get you Brilliant Energy so you have most of what you need, but that would mean you're taking Eldritch Knight at level 10 instead of level 8. The game has a ton of good rapiers since Camellia uses them so dex characters are spoiled for choice without having to do fighter's finesse. I've never done an EK but the general idea is you qualify with a wizard or sorcerer so you're getting the highest spell progression and use your self buffs to more than make up for losing some BAB.
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>>3506863
You have to complete her quests if you want the best ending though.
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>>3512372
>You have to complete her quests if you want the best ending though.
I did her quests once and, when I someday get around to replaying wotr, I will absolutely not do them again, endings be damned. She’s that bad.
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>>3512372
>best ending
lol
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>>3512337

I´m kind of hoping to go for versatile weapons rather than rapiers. It´s my understanding that mechanic is getting an update that would actually allow to switch between one handed and two handed.

As for the Magus + Eldritch knight as i said it´s more about getting fighter feats like critical mastery without the tradeoff of losing the spell levels i´d lose if i picked fighter directly for the multiclass.

However this actually working as intended kind of depends on how the magic sword progression gets implemented. Depending on the tradeoff it may be better to sacrifice the spells for the amount of feats of an actual fighter or it may be a terrible idea to multiclass at all.
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>>3512412
Just go legend
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>>3512412
I haven't heard of the versatile weapons thing so I can't really comment on that, but Legend seems like your best bet. If you do something like Magus 10 EK 10, you'll be spending most of Act 4 getting no new class features with your already partial casting 1 level behind. Whatever power spike you're going to get from the last fighter feat you'll hit in Act 5 anyway, so you'll probably hit it around the same time if you just do Legend Magus 20/Fighter 20 (or Fighter 10/X 10 to have access to all the fighter features you want at FL 20).
Alternatively if what you want is feats you could do straight/mostly straight Magus and go Gold Dragon to pick up the feats you want with their 3 feats ignoring requirements. Going Trickster and taking the improved crit feats from it instead is also an option. Trickster also has the Trick that lets you retaliate against AoOs, which can be pretty strong.
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>>3512372
you mean see her commit suicide?
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>>3512372
No you don't.
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>>3512462
>>3512833

I may consider those but since i make my builds with roleplay in mind some paths can be... difficult. Since i´m going blade bound i think i´ll probably go for something on the lines of the eternal champion. Trickster doesn´t seem to fit that. Gold dragon could make some sense, i´m not a fan of sparing cultists and the eternal champion is a force of order but i guess that as long as i don´t start as Aeon i could be merciful just that once.

As for Legend i guess that would be the easiest path to take mechanically but it kind of requires to bend the knee to Iomedae. That´s far more insulting to me than sparing some cultists even if it is the price for freedom. I´m just not sure i´d be able to do it even if i wanted to. If only she and her followers weren´t all totally incompetent. I may be able to justify it mentally by telling myself i´m stealing the queen and the herald jobs and making them seethe but it would still leave some poor after taste.
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>>3512889
>but it kind of requires to bend the knee to Iomedae.
Not really.If you want to get rid of it anyway she is just a convenient ally.It doesn't force you to change your alignment like the other mythic paths either.
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>>3512889
I looked up the character and Aeon seems like the obvious roleplay choice. Could you specify which fighter feat you're trying to get? You might be able to squeeze it in with just taking a couple of fighter levels. Between the Aeon buffs and permanent Brilliant Energy from Magus you won't have trouble hitting enemies.
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>>3512889
You don't want to go EK as a blade bound, keep it pure. Your sword will progress with your class level, not your character level. Same reason you wouldn't do the split with arcane rider; it fucks your pet(the reason you chose archetype over base). If you want to do magus 10/EK 10 its better to use base, and even then I don't think its better than 20 Magus. Critical mastery is not worth it.
>bend the knee to Iomedae.
??? That's not what's happening there.
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>>3512896

True, but i already did my Aeon run so that one´s out. Sadly blade bound didn´t exist at the time but i enjoyed it very much regardless.
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>>3512901
Anons mindbroken by Iomeme automatically assume that just because you agree with her on something that means you're bending over to her
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How long until there's a finally finalized final edition of the game with all content, I've been waiting for everything to be out before playing it.
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>>3512999
Have you tried reading the OP?
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>>3512999
I'm going to give it through the end of the year for post-DLC patches to be finished.
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>>3512999
I usually wait for games like that too, but none of the DLC are interesting. Play whenever.
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Going to make a Demon -> Legend Sable Company Marine. I'll figure out the other class levels once I see how they implement the Marine. I'll play a grizzled old officer who has done a lot of shitty stuff and is disillusioned and believes himself beyond redemption, thus easily falling to demonic hedonism. He becomes progressively more disgusted with himself but sees no way out. Only a literal god could convince him that redemption is possible, and that's what will happen.

I'm thinking of tying it somehow to Orlando Furioso, it's a 16th century Italian epic which invented the hippogriff and features some hippogriff-riding knights. Will probably romance Arueshelae, who helps to pull me back from the abyss.
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>>3513817
Funny, I did an angel to legend paladin run where I repented for romancing Cam-Cam. Basically mirror image runs.
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I need advice for a legend run. I want to make an ends-justify-the-means guy that realises at the end he has to stop and redeems himself. I have played demon and it doesn't fit, the storylines don't work for someone who is 100% commited to fighting demons. Devil would have been perfect if it wasn't a late game path.
So, how is lich? Can you reach act 5 pretending it's for the greater good or do you get stupid evil and blatantly counter productive to the crusader cause?
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>>3515108
Demon fits better than lich for what you want.
'Getting my shit together' approach would work better with trickster
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>>3515120
Fuck. I hate trickster and having played demon I know it doesn't fit what I have in mind. The basic theme is hating demons so much you'd do anything to get the upper hand. Having a direct line to a demon lord and not going full doomguy in act 4 seem contradictory. I was really hoping lich would fit because I have an arcane trickster build in mind.
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I sincerely hope none of you are foolish enough to try playing this day 1. Even not counting the DLC, god knows how many bugs this will cause in the base game.
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>>3515148
Lol no. August at the earliest.
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>>3515148
I am part of the idiots who play early and send reports for things to be fixed 9 months later
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>>3515148
the thumb rule is to wait at least half year before buying anything from owlcat. At least they fix their games, slowly but they do.
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>>3515108
>demon and it doesn't fit
Yes it does
Just be a retard that fights fire with fire, also romance Arue
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>>3515274
I get it but that's bot what I have in mind. Demon->Legend is about losing yourself to temptation and rage, giving in to addiction and then overcoming it. What I have in mind is more about being willing to commit war crimes for the cause and hating the enemy so much that it overrules all principles and leads you down a dark path. Like losing your humanity and being willing to break cosmic laws with necromancy in order to fight the demons. While going through the demon quests you can't pretend you're doing it for the cause. Given the interaction with Zacharius I was hoping lich would be about sacrificing your morality in order to win. At least that's what I got by going as far as the chapel and picking the lich option which was extremely cool. I just want to know if it keeps up like that until act 5 or you get so blatantly self serving before before then that you can't pretend to be doing it with good intentions.
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did they ever fix Arue's ending slides?
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>>3515340
No retard, get over it already
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>>3515351
It really is retarded how he focuses on the succshit, when they all suck really bad.
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>>3515546
No, Arue is best girl, you just have shit taste, and he's a retard that can't get over some shitty ending slide
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Bought the game on sale yesterday. I have spent hours in character creation thinking about what to play and in the end I think I'm just going to go base wizard and level it pure. I was thinking about something roguey with UMD but apparently rogue sucks balls as per usual with dnd CRPGs.
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>>3515550
Rogue is fine its just that slayer and vivisectionist do most of the things rogue does better. I'm a fan of Eldritch Scoundrel 10/ Eldritch Knight 10 twf with handaxes.
For pure Wizard, divination has the other specialties beat. Going first is just really good. Do consider the archetypes though, elemental specialist is great for blasting and scroll savant lets you turn money into spell slots.
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>>3515550
>as per usual with dnd CRPGs.
I guess you never did a solo thief in BG2?
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>>3515550
It's perfectly viable but outclassed and one of it's two very good archetypes is used by a companion
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>>3515550
>wizard
At least play sorcerer and get a pet with sylvan.
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>>3515547
>you just have shit taste
Arue is completely vapid and boring. There isn't a decent girl in the whole game and all the ending slides are bad.
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>>3515836
>casually mogs the entire cast of LIs

Best girl, btw.
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>>3515846
>Poorly written Oscar Wilde wannabe
lol, fags
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>>3515847
And a Zevran rip off don't forget
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>>3515836
For me, it’s Cam Cam
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>>3515847
>>3515848
Still better than most of LIs. No Daeran fan seethes as much as people who romance the succ or Camelia do. He actually has decent endings as well.
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>>3515854
>No Daeran fan seethes as much as people who romance the succ or Camelia do
???
What does that even mean?
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>>3515854
>He actually has decent endings
Agreed, I killed him. :)
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>>3515836
Cam is pretty fun but if you are RPfag you probably want to get rid of her if you are roleplaying as moralfag. Too bad Daeran is guy.
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>>3515856
he means fags have no standards and "that's a good thing"
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>>3515858
Camellia is interesting as a character, but not as a romance.
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>>3515868
If I wanted a one dimencional lol so cuhrazy evil character then I'd just play BG1, they're certainly more charismatic than this game's companions
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>>3515868
Compared to rest of characters she it. Cast in WOTR is barren and dull at best.
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>>3515868
>Camellia is interesting as a character, but not as a romance.
I found her romance interesting once through but I’d never do it again. I agree with the other anon about the games cast being shit, I’d rather just play with a party of mercs. Same with Kingmaker.
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>>3515872
I mean, it's just nice to have a character that isn't altered by the player. I get tired of all the playercentric uncharacter companions and their "influence" meters that RPGs have. The romance actively ruins that.
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>>3515836

Wendu is good. I completely redeemed her.
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>>3515895
>I mean, it's just nice to have a character that isn't altered by the player. I get tired of all the playercentric uncharacter companions and their "influence" meters that RPGs have.
This is precisely why I found her romance interesting.
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What´s a good Mythic path to choose if one´s end game is Legend or Gold Dragon?

I already did full Aeon so that one is out. Azata has some nice abilities and a dragon pet so i don´t think i´d want to lose it once it finally reaches mount size. Lich is boring, Swarm... i don´t think that´s going to work out, Trickster has some nice skills and can bend reality and yes, i know it´s a meme path but since it´s ending is whatever the fuck you want i figure that´s better as a pure path too, just like Aeon.

Devil won´t work either because it´s a secondary mythic path so that leaves what? Angel and Demon depending on if you want a redemption arc or the classic traditional hero route?
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>>3515918
Demon
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>>3515918
Demon or Trickster or legend (redemption or getting your shit together, plus trickster feats retained is just silly).
Angel or Azata to gold Dragon (become an even faggier good person)
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>>3515918
Demon for big ass redemption arc.
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>>3515922

Demon to Legend kind of seem acceptable if only for Iomedae, Nocticula and Arue reactions...

>>3515923

I can kind of see Trickster to Legend working in narrative therms though. A mad commander regaining his sanity sounds kind of Quixot(ish). I had not considered it... still, i believe it would kind of itch to go full trickster (plus seeing it seems really overpowered with all those critical feats)
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>>3515940
>(plus seeing it seems really overpowered with all those critical feats)
You keep those when going legend.
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Have they added a construct/robot race yet?
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>>3515945

How so? I was under the impression you lost everything except the first 2 mythic levels. Keeping those and adding another 20 levels seem pretty damn overpowered even without keeping stuff like rain of halberds.
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>>3515922
this writing is roughly on the level of isekai harem anime. are you serious?
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>>3515993
Why are you even aware what isekai tranime writing is like, shitposter-kun?
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>>3515989
Their combat feats you take after unlocking perception 2. This also works for other things gained indirectly from mythic ranks like revelations you got from second mystery. Any spells you apply metamagic to with favorable metamagic will keep its lower spell level. This doesn't work for the extra feat mythic ability since that is gained by the mythic rank directly. Though if you can use if to qualify for future feats, such as dodge for crane style, you'd lose dodge but crane style would still work.
>seem pretty damn overpowered
It is.
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>Owlcat Games Has Control Over Pathfinder: Kingmaker Once More After Losing Rights Several Years Ago

Huh? Did they lose rights?
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>>3516607
Every copy you bought after Spring or summer 2019 sent money to the publisher or whatever that other group was.
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>>3505053
>>3507198
Gunslinger is a pain in the ass kind of class in the tabletop and would probably be even more of a pain in vidya form. Spending low levels only attacking every other turn unless you use a pistol and take Rapid Reload as a starting feat, rolling bad and having your gun break randomly in combat, rolling bad again when you use your broken gun because it's all you have and having it explode and be completely destroyed, at higher levels having to not pick certain archtypes at the start and use magic items + special ammo + class features that require you to have left over expendable class resources just to be able to use the full BAB you have each turn or spend said expendable resource to make a single attack that sort of hits multiple times as a full round action after level 7 or limit yourself to using very specific gun types that have comparatively low damage and will take up large numbers of actions to reload after using all their shots, and to top it all off you'd have to hope that they wouldn't be fags about it and would include "advanced" firearms for mid to late game instead of making you stick to "early" firearms the whole game.
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>>3518694
Bolt Ace Gunslinger is less shit.
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>>3518713
>least shit gunslinger doesn't allow you to use a gun
Grim.
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Incredible that the userscore for this on steam just keeps getting lower and lower.
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>>3518746
>they aren't mixed anymore
heh, mad?
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How viable is solo pure monk? I'm playing through Kingmaker atm and having a blast, almost as tanky as Valerie and throwing out tons of attacks that all trip and deal a guaranteed chunk of damage. Wondering if I could try and do a solo or duo run in WoTR after.

Only issue is I really feel like the game cheats and makes enemies get nat 20s way too often.
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>>3518754
why would you want to play the same class twice in a row? sounds mindnumbing.
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>>3518757
I think solo fits WoTR's power fantasy thing really well. Not so much Kingmaker, since it's more low level, standard adventuring.
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>>3518759
oh, so you aren't playing a monk in kingmaker? i misread that.
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>>3518759
WOTR is way kore forgiving than Kingmaker. Mythic paths allow you to play almost anything and not get horrifically raped all the time.

>t. only plays monoclass in every game ever because multiclassing is for fags
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>>3501983
Good. We have enough woke garbage.
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>>3518777
For all the screeching about wokeness it's the only game I know of that allows you to rape and you even get rewarded if you pick that option.
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>>3518780
woah so based
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>>3518788
Not really, just not compatible with wokeness.
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>>3516013
>-kun
>calls other anime trannies
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>>3518789
i don't know about that woke-minded people seem to love rape and rapists.
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>>3518794
Maybe be but they tend to screech a lot about depictions of it in media. Something about everything being political therefore depictions are synonymous to endorsements. Did I mention that you can also abuse the gay nigger? That you can kill and enslave the ghost of the queen? That you can endorse and apply the setting's equivalent of fascism? Partake in slavery? There's a myriad of things in both wotr and km that isn't compatible with wokeness yet enjoyers of a certain board tend to sperg out about these games much like they do about everything. My theory is that the owlcat devs being slavs injected their games with casual slav "basedness" and it somehow went unnoticed.
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>>3518746
>Incredible that the userscore for this on steam just keeps getting lower and lower.
Are you the retard that's lied about the Kingmaker review scores and gotten BTFO like three times now? What manner of autism produces such behavior?
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>>3518803
I took it to mean that Owlcat being divorced from Paizo means they can stop being mandated to add in woke shit.
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>>3518808
He did the same thing with RT, in fact I thought I was in the RT thread because he used to spam that shit a lot. Dude clearly has an hateboner for Owlcat
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>>3518811
>He did the same thing with RT, in fact I thought I was in the RT thread because he used to spam that shit a lot. Dude clearly has an hateboner for Owlcat
To be honest, I was surprised RT has as high of a review score that it does, I was expecting it to be a lot worse, given how rough it supposedly was at release (I haven't played it yet, I learned my lesson with WotR to wait 6-12 months for them to be playable)
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>>3518813
I did and it was a better compared to wrath and kingmaker's releases. Also gets a boost because only half of 40k games are even decent.
Still had its problems of course.
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>boot up Kingmaker
>haven't played a RTWP game in years
>choose a sorcerer with undead bloodline
>spells keep missing because the enemies keep moving
>die in the tutorial
Should I switch to turn based mode or should I force myself to acclimatize?
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>>3519235
holy shit yes
in these shitty PF games here's how you play it
>does this look like a trash fight? ok real time combat
>is this a real fight that requires strategy? turn based combat
there's a lot of time wasting trash fights that will take so much more unnecessary time if you try to do them in turn based
and there's a lot of teeth pulling fights that can't be done in real time
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>>3519235
The first few minutes of a caster start are hard since don't have any melee companions.Try to alpha strike them with grease or put one of your chars in front to pin them down.Damage spells aren't really worth it at a low level.
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>>3519235
Turn Based mode is the only way to play these games
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>>3519235
Turn based mode is basically the equivalent of cheat engine because the game is not remotely balanced for it. You really shouldn't hit any obstacles outside unfair unless you have no idea how rpgs work, in which case just make a faggy sylvan sorceror. Animal companions in general are absolutely broken. An important note is that stuff like grease doesn't work on higher difficulties. Look for damage sources that don't require rolling. Get like 35AC. Jaethal and Tristian cannot die, which obviously breaks the game. That's about it.
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>>3519243
>>3519246
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>>3519253
Understandable, I'll switch to turn based mode for now until I get some better spells and equipment.
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>>3519263
>Understandable, I'll switch to turn based mode for now
No retard, learn the game
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>>3519253
>Turn based mode is basically the equivalent of cheat engine
It's hilarious to me that owlcat's biggest defenders play the game in a broken alternate mode with toy box running and pretend it's the deepest shit ever.
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>>3519267
I'll try that then.
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>>3519273
What's a deep RPG?
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>>3519285
It'd have to be a roguelike I'd reckon, probably nethack or cogmind, but outside of that probably like grimrock 2 or knights of the chalice 2. Even dawnsbury days has more complexity than kingmaker/wotr despite both being pathfinder.
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>>3519290
Cogmind is shit.
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>>3519294
You're shit.
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>>3519295
Takes one to know one.
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>>3519285
Baldurs Gate 3
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>>3519273
>opens toybox
>toggles no damage to party, always hit, enemies die in one hit
Why yes, I did solo run Kingmaker on unfair and had no issues, here's my sword saint build.
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>>3519301
It's kinda funny how depth is merely a reflection of the container.
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>>3519285
Kiseki
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>>3519253
Grease works fine especially in chapters 3 and 4 with low reflex retards like trolls and cyclopsi.
And Jaethal may not die, but losing buffs each time is a pain. It's a desperate measure, not a gameplan. And you can likely put a stronger party member over her.
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>>3519325
>Grease works fine especially in chapters 3 and 4 with low reflex retards like trolls and cyclopsi
It definitely does not consistently work on very hard and unfair and you should be an obscenely broken powerhouse by chapter 3 and not CCing anything.
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>>3519334
Yes it does, particularly with heightened versions.
CCing is still the absolute strongest action you can do that is not Deadly Earth Alpha strikes in the game.
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>>3519336
>CCing is still the absolute strongest action you can do
lmao what, in chapter 3 you should be raping everything with noknok and jubilost, the only CC you should have is auto trip and whatever jubilost can automatically dish out. this is also when the game ceases putting up any resistance whatsoever and becomes an 80 hour long repetitive slog
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>>3519343
Throwing Force bombs is still CC, anon.
And Noknok is still just a martial with levels on rogue, one of the weakest class overall. More useful for the finesse than all other class features. You multiclass him if you want him to keep up in the hardest difficulties, ESPECIALLY against enemies who might have a chance to fight back, aka not being CC'd.
While you are right that even on unfair, you beat the difficulty curve after trollbold if you know what you are doing, relying on NokNok to clean up with minimal CC is extremely suboptimal and inviting restarts when you do not have to. Feels liek you have read stories about the game instead of playing it, honestly.
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>>3519350
>You multiclass him if you want him to keep up in the hardest difficulties
No you just dip into viv and he rapes everything to death with outflank crit spam. Just cast haste and done, everything is automatic. This will clear every fight in the game. At worst you just have your cleric mash channel healing when things get hairy once in a blue moon. That's the entire game. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>3502084
>Aloth
I'm surprised people still remember this dude.
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>>3519357
>just dip vivi instead of going full vivi in harder difficulties for NokNok.
>suggesting channel healing beyond chapter 1 DURING combat
Okay, so I am dealing with a retard or a troll.
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>>3502084
So is Kui gay or bisexual or something?
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>>3519361
You literally don't know how to play the game. This is the problem when retards toybox everything.
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>>3519361
>suggesting channel healing beyond chapter 1 DURING combat
I played through with a cleric of gozrah and this is pretty much the only healing I did, just wack things with a reach weapon for more flanking and puke lightning everywhere, then whenever someone got hit I just spammed channel heal until the fight was over. Are you sure you're not the one confused? Cuz that's how the game works.
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>>3519367
If you need healing during combat to keep up and you waste a cleric's, paladin's or whatever action like that, you are doing something horribly wrong.
It's the telltale sign of someone who is retarded , wasting actions and not following a good gameplay.
Guess what would make it less likely to get hurt to the point you NEED to heal during combat?
CC.
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>>3519374
>wasting actions
It's rtwp, it doesn't matter
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>>3519361
lmao what a retard
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>>3519379
It does matter.
Retards like you forget it, but it's real time with PAUSE.
Set the conditions properly, slow down, make the most out of you actions and you will not get hurt constantly and need desperately to channel healing so you will not die like a bitch beyond chapter 1. Filthy casual
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>>3519387
>Retards like you forget it, but it's real time with PAUSE
Pausing takes longer than the 5 seconds it takes to defeat any encounter. You are bad at the game.
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>>3519361
>going full vivi
Nok Nok starts as a rogue. You can't respec in unfair.
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What's the best caster class for Devil?
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>>3519582
It doesn't matter man. Stop asking retarded questions.
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>>3519582
For what?CC or damage?
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>>3519582
Eldritch Archer
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>>3519592
Damage. I won't be able to use the mythic features for devil into act 5 so I'm hoping the build will be functional without them.
>>3519597
Why?
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>>3519609
At-will hellfire ray at 17-20(x2) crit range(more if you use loremaster cheese)
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>>3519609
Sorcerer with a dragon bloodline for extra damage and an elemental bloodline to convert damage to that element.You can't stack the damage from multiple bloodlines anymore but it's still decent if you go Azata and take Zippy Magic.
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>>3519610
>more if you use loremaster cheese
What's the cheese and will this work on higher difficulties? I assume you can still spam hellfire rays even before Act 5.
>>3519611
Is that through dual bloodline sorc or the mythic feat? What's the main spell you use?
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This is one person replying to himself.
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>>3519616
Feat.Spells would be Chain Lightning and Hellfire Ray.
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>>3519622
I thought zippy magic got nerfed and you couldn't use chain lightning anymore. Would it still work with Aeon? I don't know whether I've got it in me to endure the Azata cringe again.
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>>3519361
Why would you out yourself as such an enormous moron?
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>>3515304
Neither lich nor demon go full bonkers evil until chapter 6 where you can choose to go legend instead if you don't commit. In fact, if you're not evil enough, you outright fail and CANT go full spooky skeleton mode so if youre planning on going legend it will be fine.
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>>3519253
>Turn based mode is basically the equivalent of cheat engine
Stopped reading here. What an incredibly embarrassing opinion.



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