>game expects you to know how to play D&D
>game teaches you D&D
>>3626222>game expects you not to be a sub 50 IQ retard who can't even read a manualftfy
You know it's so ridiculously simple that D&D has been a normie game for well over a decade now, right?Is rolling dice too complicated for you?
>>3626222Hot take: D&D rules don’t translate well to videogames. There’s too many misses. As a player you want to be hitting most of the time. JRPGs figured that out a long time ago.
>>3626427The hit formula in final fantasy tactics is Hit % = (1-CEv) x (1-WEv) x (1-SEv) x (1-AEv)Think about how stupid this is.
>>3626432Why do you think this particular formula is stupid?
>>3626436In pf2e the formula is(21 + attack bonus - target AC) / 20
>>3626222>>game expects you to know how to play D&DSign me up unless it's an edition above 3.5.
>>3626455Actually to expand on this, the only jrpg that really gets it right is kiseki which is dex/(dex+agi), functionally similar to tabletop systems.
>>3626436The only answer they have is that there are too many numbers for them to follow.
People crying about D&D will never not be funny to me. God forbid you just don't play games with systems you don't like.
>>3626468Tell me, oh genius, why is the formula for tabletop more elegant but exponentially more modular and complex? The more bloated an equation is, the more hidden it must be. When we have simple equations we can have transparency, which the player can interact with in more ways. So to me, it seems you are filtered by a lack of handholding and automation. There are many ways to always hit things in tabletop, but you have to create those situations.
>>3626231I have worked with Qualtrics and gotta say is pure shit btw
>3626477https://arch.b4k.co/vrpg/search/image/ahmc8LEzmkaOKf_OrgBrQg/I don’t reply to bait posters.
>>3626222They assume you had a core group of good friends in high school or young adulthood who you played DnD with while forming lifelong bonds and memories. Sorry you didn't experience that
>>3626489Rekt.
>>3626455>>3626458>>3626477>wahh granularity bad even doe the game is doing all the complex calculations in under a second for me anyways
>>3626473You will never convince me d20 systems are fun.
>>3626535Take notice how it ignores what was posted to regurgitate something it probably heard in a reddit podcast thats completely unrelated.
>>3626537You will never convince me to care.
>>3626222Based. I wish more games did that these days.
>>3626432>>3626455you're not doing it in pen and paper, this is pointless to complain about.
>>3626605I already explained why that's wrong, sister
>>3626432>noooooooooo you can't have modifiers combine multiplicatively, you have to combine them additively because... just because, okay
>>3626608Not an argument, square tard.
>>3626633>not an argumentGo ahead and articulate, in detail what you disliked about that formula and whypro tip: you won’t
>>3626794He already did.
>>3626477The DnD system is addition and subtraction of 5% increments, it's anything but modular, and it's very easily broken.Just for your FFT example it adds diminishing returns by simple multiplication and there aren't even any float values for evasion. You can simulate this by just having multiple D20 die in a roll with each representing an individual hit check.You have four die of different colors, or if you want to be fancy those resin dice with an image of each inside, each for C-Ev, W-Ev, S-Ev, and A-Ev. then for example with having to roll under 15, 18, 10, and 20 to hit. If you took those same values of +5, +2, and +10 additively you'd get ~15% chance to hit, but with the four(three) roll you'd get ~0.33% chance to hit with much more modularity.
>>3626818Stop talking about yourself in the third person, and go ahead and quote this post where “he” explained his reasoning.pro tip: you won’t
>>>3626319/thread
>>3626842Surely, if you can read, you can locate the lengthy post where he answered your question. If you cannot read then I see no point in quoting it.
>>3626358There's a huge difference between some normies playing a level 1-3 module designed for total newcomers to learn the ropes, and jumping into a full fledged crpg campaign with an overwhelming amount of mechanics and things to learn. Also, those normies have their friends and DM help them throughout the session.
What edition fag?
>>3626839>it's anything but modularPF2e has a 4 degrees of success system with hit chance that can go well over 100%. This is because there are a lot of ways to affect DC and even weapons have a lot of active modifiers. This is not the case in FFT when character stat growth is almost entirely irrelevant, gear is generally vertical upgrades, and most power progression is through abilities which are also vertical in nature. This makes FFT a nitwit game buried under bloat the player doesn't even think about.
>>3626960Everything you listed has nothing to do woth the formulas, and is all based around the surrounding factors of the game. Even were someone to agree with you about said factors - it’s irrelevant to the discussion, as well as to what you claimed here. >>3626432
>>3626981>Everything you listed has nothing to do woth the formulasThose factors are present because the formula is so retarded and inefficient. It's not a game with a good mathematical framework. These aren't independent jssues, they are deeply connected.
>>3626906>still talking about himself in the third person>still won’t link this alleged postYour handwaving pilpul of “I can look up the thread and see right there where X” gimmick is rather trite and played out.
>>3626960>This makes FFT a nitwit gameFFT is a game for children from thirty years ago. You, presumably an adult, choose to spend your time arguing with third world teenagers on the internet about children’s games. This is unfathomably embarrassing and shameful behavior.
>>3626991I accept your concession.
>>3626358Yeah no Pathfinder is not intuitive. Although to be fair normalfaggies don't play Owlcat games.
>>3626490What is this 1987?! Who the fuck grew up with tabletop games?
>>3627038>Yeah no Pathfinder is not intuitiveYou can learn pf2e in like 15 minutes.
>>3627054pf2e is for faggots thoWho the fuck plays second edition
>>3627059>Who the fuck plays second editionGuys with enormous penises. PF1e fans are also faggots, but they have small penises.
>>3626839Good point about the diminishing returns.>you'd get ~0.33% chance to hit Don’t you mean 33%?
>>3626222>playing d&d computer game adaptations
>>3626839>Don’t you mean 33%?Yes.
I played PF2e and it was trash for imbeciles. Sorry moeblob.
>>3627229It’s hilarious seeing him shill trannyfinder every chance he gets
Now for the meltdown where he gets angry at his own inflammatory shitpost thread that caved in on itself and bumps it for 6 months
>FFT fans>polite>educated>intelligent >that one pf2e fan>rude>can’t deal with math even though the computer does it for him
>>3627299He's such a fucking idiot its unreal. He can't even grasp WHY he's in the wrong, only stubbornly persist on a easily debunked rationale. I don't even care for FFT that much.
>>3627299Kek
