So do Japanese fans still say the same stupid shit western fans do, where they claim this game has a bad story and characters? Or do they actually get it?
>>3639651It's one of the more popular FFs actually, more popular than FFVI over there.
>>3639651I fucking love FFV it's in my top 3
>>3639651Japan doesn't like Final Fantasy any more. They haven't in a very long while.
Yeah I have no idea why people say FFV has a bad story. It honestly has the more hard hitting moments due to the way the juxtaposition.
>>3639651The characters are bland and their growth is minimal. Just a fact.
>>3639651When you keep making threads about a garbage game like FFV it becomes really obvious its one person.
>>3639651The characters are dumb and the story exists so you have different colors to look at while you play the job system. The job system is the game. That's why it's my favorite one. I don't care about characters or story, i want to min max job classes and grind battles.
>>3639726I really liked its concept of separating and merging dimensions, places seen in world 1 suddenly becoming accessible in the merged world because of shifting landscapes was rad
>>3639651It's dumb, but not always in a bad way. The story is basically a Saturday morning cartoon plot.
>>3639768Just because you don't care about those aspects doesn't mean they aren't good. Are you retarded?
>>3640011>there’s bad guy(s)>you, the player, have to defeat them and save the dayLiterally every game ever
>>3639705Japan and "japanese" are not the same thing. America has "japanese" people too. Sakaguchi lives in Hawaii you know. That's not an island of Japan.
>>3640431What bad guy do you fight in roller coaster tycoon?
>character dies, seemingly dark story beat happens>protagonists eyes pop out of their head like bugs bunnywow I wonder why no one takes the story seriously
>>3640523bankers
>>3639651Japanese acknowledge it has inconsistent, contrived writing and one-dimensional characters, but not to the extent that it ruins the game.
>>3639651the pacing is insaneI forgot that you discover faris has tits less than an hour into the game. I get that they want to get all 4 members in the party right away so you can fuck around with jobs but it does feel a little underdone compared to 6 or even 4. I love the game though, and Butz is one of my favorite dudes in the dissidia games
>>3639768>i want to min max job classes and grind battles.So you play the FF where min-maxing and grinding matter the least? lol what a fucking moron. No wonder you didn't get the story.
>>3639651story in any FF is pretty abysmal anywaysV is good because its mechanics. its one of the most fun JRPGs to play to this daybut i didnt think its story was noticeably worse than any of the later games. 7 8 10 etc all have actually bad writing. writing that seems confused as to what its even trying to do.5 doesnt come anywhere close to that level of retardation.
>>3640806are you doing a low level game too? it's kind of hard to push through fighting that titan and lady up on the mountain.
>>3641186Not specifically but I just beat FF1 so I was thinking of playing FF5 until the RS2 remake comes out. My plan is to just not grind at all but also not run from any battles, which is how I think most FF games should be played. The husband/wife did wipe my party but I had Bartz and Faris as blue mages with no blue magic so I'm gonna try again after switching him to a Knight. You can cast sleep on the husband.
The story sucks? What a game released 30 years ago didnt have an epic storyline? You mean like pretty much every RPG did up until the mid point of the 16 bit era? What you mean is "it hard a normal storyline for the expectations of the time that doesnt hold up after several decades and advancing tech"
>>3641209It does hold up, a dumb lighthearted story that gets you back to the game quickly is better than what you get from most modern games
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nvm i got back up and pwned her
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>>3641186those two are why i hate getting thief starts on my fiesta runs...
>>3639651Has a mediocre story and likeable cast. It's not the best FF. but it's better then most of them.
>>3639651I love the GAME itself but holy shit does it have the worst soundtrack of all final fantasies hands fucking down.Sounds like the musician wanted to die when writing that awful battle theme.
>>3641444Really anon? Interesting opinion. I think it has one of the best:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnET0cJekoEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYlAGogNqBg
Krile fuckin SUCKS. Galuf is kinda fun.
>>3641265>a dumb lighthearted storyEveryone always calls the story "dumb", but I don't get it. It's a perfectly fine story about the importance of home and family, with themes of legacy and generational neglect woven in. The story is easily the equal of FFIV--arguably better, since there are far fewer potential plotholes. And all the character interactions are great--every character is at some crossroads, and they all end the game together, as a new family.>>3641477>Krile fuckin SUCKSNah, Krile is a great character. She spends the whole game chasing after her grandpa, the last family she has, only to lose him shortly after. A common thread across all the main characters is that they're dealing with loneliness, but Krile is the youngest and wears it on her sleeve, and it's very well executed, especially the entire sequence after you get back to Tycoon in the merged world. The true ending being written from her perspective and wondering if her new friends have forgotten her is an exquisite bookend to the plot and every character's journey.The only thing that sucks about Krile is her name. They should have kept the "Cara" localization from the fan version.>>3641456It's an amazing soundtrack. The main theme is GOAT in my opinion. I'm particularly fond of Unknown Lands, legit my favorite overworld music of all time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEBBGsgMjeI
>>3641485>gifBartz does the exact same tackle move on Galuf to knock him out when they're trying to escape the barrier tower. It's hilarious that he tries it on Krile and gets fucking schooled. This game is full of so many little details that make it charming as fuck, but that modern gamers just don't notice because it isn't being rubbed in their face in a hyper-realistic 4K cutscene, which gives them the impression that the characters are "shallow".I've heard people say that FFVII was the beginning of Square using character models to "act", but there are so many deliberately expressive moments in FF5 where it's all told through the sprites. Krile not wanting to leave Lenna and Faris behind at Tycoon is a prime example. If you don't find that scene absolutely heartbreaking, you're not paying attention.
>>3641489I'm a 4-fag, but the leap in spritework and animation from 4 to 5 is really impressive
>>3641456>>3641485https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ0nLB4WIasThis plays all the fucking time and it's undeniably horrible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K_KvugBQpoThis plays the rest of the time and it's so bad it makes me want to throw up.Compare to masterpieces from the literal previous game they released:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGKtenXWKJsMost enveoliping world map theme of all time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Til2oZQmo50Most inspired battle theme of the franchise.It seems the musician just couldn't outdo himself and was suffering heavily because anything else is a step down from FF4 (except the base battle theme which is a bit shitty)Still, FF3 and specially FF2 had extremely great soundtracks all around, 6 also picked it up and 7 went out in a blast. It's really just 5 that is the odd one there.
>>3641490>"THESE SONGS ARE ICKY BAD! SO BAD ME GET SICKY WICKY AND FROW UP!!!!">posts amazing songsIs this some sort of bit?
How come battle themes in newer FFs dont use teh fuckin bass line.
>>3641503>amazing songsAre you deaf? Or just talking about the two grandiose FF4 themes below the offensive ear-bleeding maladies made for FF5?
>>3641496>It seems the musician just couldn't outdo himself>musicianI'm usually against ad hominem, but nobody should respect the opinion of someone who doesn't even know the word "composer".
>>3641518>Musician>Profession>A musician is one who composes, conducts, or performs music.Imagine being both deaf and retarded. I pity you, anon, hope you can get cured before death.
>>3641522I didn't say musician was the wrong word to use, it's just that using it makes you sound like a moron because it's far more accurate to say "composer"; just like hating FFV music isn't the wrong opinion to have, but again, it makes you sound like a moron.
This is probably the most retarded thread I've seen in a while, congratulations.
>>3641532t. a moron
>>3641444FFV is a story of constant setbacks and failure at every cutscene until you barely win at the end. The music is melancholic to counter the graphics' color saturation and really fun gameplay to make the experience coherent. Also, while I don't agree, to me it's just very good, the battle theme of V has a decent shot at being the best in the series.The story of FFV is the most emotional in the series for me and most importantly every scene makes sense in regards to the scene before, the following scene and the story as a whole. Well as long as you play the fan translation, where Faris doesn't talk like a joke, sapping away the seriousness.
>>3641530>I didn't say musician was the wrong word to use, it's just that using it makes you sound like a moron because it's far more accurate to say "composer"You were trying to be pedantic when the word he used was fine, take the L
>>3641628>take the L>>>/r/eddit
>>3641624>Well as long as you play the fan translation, where Faris doesn't talk like a joke, sapping away the seriousness.The GBA translation is my favorite, personally. It injects a bit more humor, which is fine, and it also censors Bartz's swearing, which I personally feel is more in-character for him.In a big side-by-side comparison, the ONLY issue I had with the GBA translation is when Galuf reveals he's a king; in GBA version he says "you knew me as a friend first, so just 'Galuf' is fine", while in the fan translation, he stresses that being the party's friend is far more important to him than being king, so he'd prefer to be just "Galuf". It's a slightly different sentiment that matches the theme of the game better.
>>3641650Reddit is a perfect place for people like you who want to be pendantic but aren't smart enough to succeed at it
>>3641496I quite liked the pixel remaster version of the standard battle theme (which added a second verse to the track). I won't deny the SNES version is a little repetitive but calling the soundtrack as a whole horrible is a bit too far I think.Some tracks I enjoyed that haven't been posted already:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy5Z3fSVGQQthe part after 0:50 especiallyhttps://youtu.be/xevXndEHzyo?si=RUI-HXjo4jQIyhQOIt's a shame this only plays for one town that goes destroyed later so you can't even revisit ithttps://youtu.be/XBNODEj1mBI?si=7EZi5nqAqswrItS5https://youtu.be/pJVIWGbBKf8?si=hEWcflG0d_aa3o9nLove whenever this motif pops up.https://youtu.be/Ar_J3WjTPzc?si=bTgAwpGqbO6ADTDkthe dungeon theme of this game isn't bad either.https://youtu.be/oO-2EnPDmr4?si=R0jFJH0QJeaEdwIwhttps://youtu.be/Qoh7GyAm6UI?si=EqsT1fOAa_sRky4sThis one ("prelude to the void") really stood out to me, I'm surprised nobody talks about it. Very unique and atmospheric.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajq7huc-9SgCan't forget this one.
>>3641444The exact opposite of what this gay retard said.This is Nobuo's peak of the classic era, he kinda regresses in VI desu; not a sleight against VI, it's just not as impactful outside of opera/D&S>good battle themes>BIGGU BURIDDJI >The day will comeThat last one has such a high that it's hard to ignore, let's get something straight. II's soundtrack is amazing but I'm biased. I'd stab you for hating II. III is alright, kinda mediocre in comparison, like IV it only has good battle themes, kurayaminokumo is a high point but still not the best is it, but you know what III has, III has the gut punch in eternal wind, probably the best classic era song hands down that's soulful, upbeat, inspiring but still reserved and it's hardly surprising that Nobuo learned to abuse leitmotif here and why we saw suckem do the same in ShB.Anyway, EW being more reserved is good because it told nobuo he could tone it down, scale back and he did, when we got to V we saw that leitmotif approach return and we got a staggering brilliant one that has two fantastic ballads.That self assured confidence carries on with him beyond V. VI has a good soundtrack, not better than V but Uematsu really tried to scale back and where it works, it works. VII he found that good balance between hard and soft and while that game is ultimately kinda mid as the kid do say: the sound design is great. I'd say this sets the tone for Nobuo & FF's new age if he didn't throw that insanity at the wall in VIII and make that work too. IX he retreats back into his VI self but still manages to pump out some good, toned down pieces.Without eternal wind & V's OST, we never get Aerith's theme, OWA, TMWTMG, V'A F or X's To Zanarkand or Otherworld. Nobuo never evolves into his 2nd and 3rd forms. We never reach Distant Worlds.I love 4chan but holy shit does it have the worst posters of all time with the shittest taste hands fucking down like you. Suck a dick.
>V>bad story & charactersOne of the best in the franchise, the criticisms really come off as more stale and regurgitated if anything. It can be lighthearted but no more so than IV or VI, there is levity, there are stakes. Perhaps people conflate that with the expressiveness in the new sprites we got over IV.This was Kitase at his best, it feels like he tried a little too hard to have memorable characters in VI and leaned too hard into archetypes to reach that end goal.People who hate exdeath are not people at all. They are flesh, fleshy sacks with which he shall build his grand castle before returning us all to the serenity of void.>muh evil tree lmaoooJump off a cliff.Exdeath is the best "villain" in the franchise. He's not even a real villain, he's the hero and we're the bad guys. For pure evil, there sure are a lot of shades of grey in this black and white absoluteness. Exdeath becomes one of the great unanswered questions in Final Fantasy along with "did Nojima mean to write a good scenario & script for Stranger of Paradise" in that we'll never know unless stated directly whether the idea for Exdeath's character & motivations was Sakaguchi or Kitase. One could find themselves looking in at IX's scenario in completeness and guess it could be gooch but he does also mirror much of what we see in Kitase's titles.Kitase should be more proud of V desu. I could find a lot of reasons to dislike the man but I'll always respect his work on V.That claim about V having bad story and characters is like people saying III is hard or II is broken because they watched some video 10 years ago. VI has a lot of nostalgia baked into the Western audience.I've personally never spoken to any Japanese person directly who hates V for the story, character or themes fwiw.
>>3642197>It can be lighthearted but no more so than IV or VI,This is really what I don't get. People seem to only selectively remember just how silly the average Final Fantasy game is. 5 has a couple of extra meme-worthy moments, such as the famous splinter scene, but beyond that it's not especially goofy or absurd. Beyond that, all the threats are played legitimately, and all the sad/heartwarming moments are completely genuine, and arguably among the best of the series.>Exdeath is the best "villain" in the franchise.It blew my mind when I finally played this game and discovered how true this was. Because the real truth is that FF games generally don't have great villains. In the "classic" spectrum of 1-9, Exdeath is far and away the best, which is almost kind of sad given how simple he is, but that simplicity doesn't necessarily mean he's shallow. What makes Exdeath good is that he fits the role he needs to play for the story rather perfectly. He becomes an absolute cunt who feels properly threatening when he needs to be.>I've personally never spoken to any Japanese person directly who hates V for the story, character or themes fwiw.I'll take your word for it. I was just curious because the game clearly has a thematic agenda, and it executes it brilliantly, yet few western gamers seem to clock it at all. It's probably due to the fact that the westerners who even played FFV did so after having already played 7, 8, and 9, so they probably expected something a little more openly melodramatic and cinematic. The level of expressiveness and storytelling achieved with the spritework in 5 is the kind of thing a lot of gamers won't notice, or will take for granted, especially in the wake of the PS1 era, but I assumed Japanese gamers would have paid a bit more attention, especially back in 1992.
>>3642209>the westerners who even played FFV did so after having already played 7, 8, and 9Yup. Remember that for a long time, the only way for most people to play 5 (or 2 and 3) were to play fan-translated ROMs on an emulator.
>>3641444>I love the GAME itself but holy shit does it have the worst soundtrack of all final fantasies hands fucking down.>the worst soundtrack of all final fantasies hands fucking down.You don't even know how wrong you are, which is both funny and sad in and on itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqQiWcvwQ8&list=OLAK5uy_lj0l0TSLN0otinHek9k4JLLlw_QVJZzgw&index=2>Town themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puh-0-Kricg&list=OLAK5uy_lj0l0TSLN0otinHek9k4JLLlw_QVJZzgw&index=11>Nooo I don't like it all towns use this them-Nopehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrKpVJ1_PP8&list=OLAK5uy_lj0l0TSLN0otinHek9k4JLLlw_QVJZzgw&index=16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xevXndEHzyo&list=OLAK5uy_lj0l0TSLN0otinHek9k4JLLlw_QVJZzgw&index=31Last one is great.And the most iconic battle theme first time ever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH-Pddk-_4w&list=OLAK5uy_lj0l0TSLN0otinHek9k4JLLlw_QVJZzgw&index=37&pp=8AUBAnd random themes are good toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmdB6Cr2Dyo&list=OLAK5uy_lj0l0TSLN0otinHek9k4JLLlw_QVJZzgw&index=43>>3642209>The westerners who even played FFV did so after having already played 7, 8, and 9Pretty much this, from what I read the release order was a mess FF1->FF4->FF6Also I HATE THE NEW ANTI SPAM "FILTER".HATE HATE HATE HATE
>>3642219>Nooo I don't like it all towns use this them-As much as I loved all the town themes in V, I kind of wish the towns in Galuf's world had their own. Maybe something a little more somber and/or lonely-sounding. Mostly because getting to the first town in the outskirts of the continent after Exdeath blasts you off the bridge was such a cool moment for me, and at that point almost every track you've heard since you got to the second world was new. It was a BIT of a letdown when I finally got to a town and it was the exact same music and tileset as the last world.On the subject of tilesets, I feel like the Phantom Village should have had its own as well. Again, a minor complaint, but the game is so good overall that this is really all I have to nitpick. But the simple fact is that, in 1992, there's no way they were going to make a tileset for just one village. That's an investment in time and manpower that just didn't happen back then.>Home Sweet HomeBartz's hometown is basically the quintessential JRPG protag hometown experience; I love how it's completely optional and missable. It's up to the player to have the curiosity to check it out, and if you do, you're rewarded with a bunch of backstory tidbits and some of the best music ever. I love that all the stores are half-price, and the inn is free. I love his idiot childhood friend, and the girl who obviously has a crush on him. It's just perfect. 10/10.
>>3639705What about Gundam?
FFV has a fine story. Not every story has to be some 2deep4me edgy wank. It's simple and straight forward like a Dragon Quest game and it's fun to multiclass.
>>3642209The SNES fan translation is a bit silly compared to later translations. I think that's why so many people shit on FFV's story. I enjoy the story either way.
>>3642396>The SNES fan translation is a bit silly compared to later translations.Really? I've never played the fan translation myself, but I've watched videos of it, and most of what I caught seemed pretty toned down compared to the GBA translation.I unironically love the GBA translation because it feels like they were trying to give FFV the 90s Woolsey translation it never got. It's got a bunch of little jokes and references added in, and is just charming in general. I also like that they removed all the swears, especially for Bartz--him saying stuff like "Holy moly!" and "Sweet Christmas!" just feels more in-character than saying "shit" or "damn".
FFV is Crystal Chronicles except for Japanese only. FFV is the closest thing Final Fantasy got on taking on the Dragon Quest aesthetic
>>3641512cowardice
The main problem with FF5
>>3643915I'm confused about the Galura party bit, the only party that would ever struggle with him is maybe 4 white mages
>>3643915It never gets close to almost impossible. I appreciate that FF5 can realistically kill you at a few points, can't say that about most FFs that came after it
>>3643915The trash mobs in FF5 are easy in order to encourage you to expiriment with the job system and find strategies and ability combos that make you formidable. The bosses all tend to have little tricks they pull on you, but the game expects you to maybe actually prepare for that, especially after it happens to you more than once. You might still die on your first attempt, but if you're building your party to at least some degree, it should always give you an idea of how you need to change your strategy in order to win on a second try.Personally, I found the "cleft" or dimensional rift to be a cakewalk, apart from the two superbosses. By that point I had made everyone a freelancer/mime and they were just steamrolling everything
>>3641485>Everyone always calls the story "dumb", but I don't get it.It's the framing. The game is hard to take seriously, largely by design but also due to unfortunately calling the main character "Butz." To a middle-schooler emulating the game before the official international release... the jokes write themselves. The mocking? Ruthless.As a quick other example: usually when the big villain is revealed to be much more than what meets the eye? That revelation can either enhance the threat/dread factor or undermine it. Had X-Death been like an archdemon? It would've been cliche but players would've been down. The fact X-Death is a tree is just lame. Doesn't matter if it's a soul-infused evil tree... nobody feels threatened by trees. Just that simple.>It's a perfectly fine story about the importance of home and family, with themes of legacy and generational neglect woven in.That is seasoning and sides to the main course. The main course is killing monsters, ghouls, and killer robots, and killing a tree is not thrilling.>The story is easily the equal of FFIV--arguably better,> And all the character interactions are great--every character is at some crossroadsI'd argue that FF5 does quite a few things on a scene-by-scene basis that is better than FF4. Granted. I think the overall plots lean heavier in FF4's favor just because it *feels cooler.*By-the-by, this isn't me saying your opinion is wrong. I'm not saying FF5 sucks either. You didn't get why people call it "dumb," and I'm giving you the "dumb" reasons they think it's "dumb." Simple as.
>>3646137>To a middle-schooler emulating the game before the official international release...This was me and my friends and I always loved 5 even if the dude is called Butz and you fight a tree
>>3646171Naturally. Some people took one romp in the class system and were enamored.I ain't hating, I'm just sayin'.
>>3646137>That is seasoning and sides to the main course.If you're an illiterate moron who uses food analogies, sure.
>>3646585How many times must this be explained to you dullards? The purpose of analogy is to elucidate an esoteric or technical subject to an audience of layman so that they can comprehend the situation. With that in mind, food is the most perfect type of analogy that exists because everyone understands food. Well, everyone except starving Africans, so perhaps that's why darkies like you take such umbrage with it.
>>3646615>>>/r/eddit
>>3646615This post is like pineapples on pizza
I move Gilgamesh so much you have no idea
>>3646678>GilgameshGilgamesh actually serves a wonderful purpose in FFV; he's a sort of contrast to the pure, irredeemable evil that Exdeath embodies. Having been coerced to Exdeath's cause, we can safely assume Gilgamesh lacked a strong moral compass. We could extrappolate that he had a similar origin to Exdeath, not in terms of specific details, but in that he had no support system and was possibly a victim of circumstance. All he valued was strength, and any opportunity to test his own.But all it takes for him to seek redemption is to have it shown to him; just from meeting Bartz and the gang a few times, he starts to yearn for that level of comradery and support. He remembers little details about your party, and even asks what happened to Galuf after he dies. After finally being betrayed by Exdeath, he effectively switches sides and professes a profound appreciation for the protagonists and their qualities and relationships--even though all you ever did was beat the shit out of him every time you saw him.Gilgamesh ultimately makes it clear that the only way you can ever be beyond redemption is if you simply never seek it.
dissidia did a great butz.
>>3646676I agree, his commentary is god's gift to man.
>>3646663we don't sign our posts here
>>3641485The story wasn't meant to be taken seriously. A lot of people miss that point.
>>3648352no more like YOU MISS THE POINTjesus fucking christ I cannot. who are you? PROJARED???? is that who you are
>>3648352>Japan writes a story about the importance of family, strong father figures, and generational legacy>very common themes in Japanese media, in almost any era>treats them all seriously>"ACKSHUALLY you weren't supposed to take it seriously"kek, retard
>>3648352>The story wasn't meant to be taken seriously. According to who? Did the writers say that? Or are you just pulling that out of your gaping, cum-dripping asshole?
I'm playing through the pixel remasteres and think it has a much better story than IV personally
>>3639651V was extremely stale.
>>3643915>Galura>Anywhere as hard as Archaeoavis or Atomos, let alone the final dungeonKnight's Guard + Monk's Counter instawins the fight.
I never realized when I first played this when they are in the ghost ship that lena goes off to masturbate and change clothes
>>3641444Holy shit you're retardedhttps://youtu.be/Qoh7GyAm6UI?si=i90gItga97A-Pp7SAnd probably one of my favorite rearranges in the entire PR collection as well. https://youtu.be/2WkemNevWbA?si=rneu_Ul7iBJDW6uv
>>3639651it does have a bad story and characters though, just not as bad as ff4, that doesn't make it any good, it just makes it a smaller pile of shit, game sucks ass
>>3640431except romancing saga 2 or wizardry 4 where you are the bad guys and you have to kill the good guys
>>3642209>the westerners who even played FFV did so after having already played 7, 8, and 9,never played 7 8 or 9, i played it after 6 because they released it on ps1 with 6, which i mostly got simply because it had 6 and a soundtrack cd with songs from 6 on it, this was long before the modern internet where you could just download the game rips and players or listen to them on youtube, so getting convenient access to vigeogame music was a real selling point, 5's music isn't bad though, it has it's moments, the retards above trying to claim it's anywhere near let alone above 6 are smoking turbocrack though
>>3652535I've found a source who claims that Nobuo was consuming vast quantities of sleeping pills while FF VI was being produced.Initially I thought these were spurious claims until I gave the OST another listen to: I can now report with good faith that Nobuo was abusing prescription sleeping aids while working on FF VI and the OST backs up this claim by being "way fucking boring, maaaaan".
>>3652599pretty ironic, since ff5's soundtrack was literally so boring to him that it made him want to retire and very nearly do it
>>3652630He realised he was tapped out, that creatively he was pushed to his limits. There's nothing wrong with realising that you may have peaked but he didn't, he stuck it out, made that lame-o VI soundtrack and got a wave of inspiration when he could leave behind the limitations of the "super" famicom.Keith Emerson, should have retired after Five Bridges. He stuck it out too, we got Tarkus afterwards. He could have retired there, he stuck it out again. We got Trilogy & Hoedown. Surely he was just repeating his days with the nice, he stuck it out again. We got Karn Evil 9 3rd impression. He KNEW he'd peaked there for sure. He almost did. Trilogy may have waned in comparison to what came before but it was still good, it was still like he was in the nice. Works, was his FF VI.Then he went out and gave us a little hit known as Love Beach I'M GONNA MAKE LOVE TO YOU. He had peaked. No really, this was his peak, it was all downhill from here. The reunion where only Palmer shined, the soundtracks. He shoulda gone. Keith ultimately continued this sad journey never surpassing Love Beach or what came before. When he found out he couldn't play his greatest hits anymore due to encroaching disability, he killed himself.Uematsu's hero, the man who inspired him, just gave up, because he stayed past his peak, he'd been part of that first wave of supergroups and then he was in the "new wave" of supergroups, chasing that high. Always wondering if he had another hit in him.Nobuo chased that dragon but he didn't succumb to it like Keith did.Final Fantasy VI was almost Works Volume 2, The Best or EL, Powell. If he'd stayed in that funk he had in VI, VII could very well be his "in the hot seat" and he would be dead today.Realising the limits of your creativity is extremely important as an artist. FF V rocks dude.
>>36526365 was his slump, 6 was his peak
>>3652532destroy
>>3639651Every pre-7 FF has a saturday-morning-cartoon-tier story though, only a complete mongoloid would disagree.The real shocker is that despite many games attempting job/class systems, most of them still manage to somehow be worse than an ancient SNES game about evil trees somehow.
>>3653196t. retard
>>3653196destroy also lol gaylesbiansex gay homofuck
>>3646722too bad he's been ruined by all the endless cameos
>>3655607I don't get it. How does that "ruin" a character?
I never realized until much later on that the crashed Gelnika enemies from FF7 were homages to the ones underground in 5. That's pretty rad
>>3648352Kill yourself, now.
>>3656195flanderization
>>3656876But he wasn't flanderized.
GREG LOL GET IT XDDDDDDDDDD
The story and dialogue is very childish. That doesn't mean it can't be a good game, though. Bethesda games generally have shitty story and dialogue, too, but the other parts of it generally make up for it.
>>3657473>The story and dialogue is very childish.The fact that you specifically picked the word "childish" says a lot of unflattering things about you.
okay okay i think people are doing this on purpose now
>>3660328doing what? Being retarded? is this your first day here?
>>3639651>if you don't take care of the environment, a tree will develop magical powers and kill everyoneWeird moral, but okay.
>>3660887>don't take care of the environmentI think you're missing crucial details about exdeath's origin
>>3660887>people assume the theme of FFV is pro-environment>because the villain is a treeSee, this is what I'm talking about. It's upsetting how often westerners make this assumption. Are the Japanese fans this fucking stupid?
>>3661461I've never heard that retarded take before and I've been playing this game since the hero was named Butz. I don't know how often that happens.
>>3660887>>3661461No u retards.Exdeath isn't a villain, they're a hero but it's not an environmental message.It's a message about how you shouldn't cut down trees and rocks and build homes out of them or else a big bad tree will come and make a big castle out of ur skin you fleshy fucks.
>>3662173>you shouldn't cut down trees and rocks and build homes out of themhow is that not environmentalist
Exdeath wasn't really a tree. A tree just happened to be his vessel. 1000 years prior to the events of the game, there was the Immortal Wizard Enuo (Pronunced "N. O."). This wizard sacrificed his immortality to obtain the power of the void. The power of the void is summoning. He summoned a lot of monsters. M'kay? Conceptually, he's similar to Xande of FF3. Or Hyne in FF8. And even a little bit of Kuja from FF9. He had to give up his immortality, because summons cross over the dimensional barrier of life and death. And an immortal being doesn't have that access. He was defeated by the legendary weapons, and the planet R was split to seal the void in a rift. So what happened to Enuo's immortality? His "Ex Death"? He scarified it in order to summon. But it wasn't gone. It was sealed in a tree. But this is like, distilled immortality. It's not going to fade away. It eventually took on a life of it's own. Compelled to return to it's original state. The whole point of Ex Death reaching the Void was to reconnect and revive Enuo.
>>3639651this game has a bad story and charactersthe main characters and villain are fun, but there's a sequence where you go back and fourth multiple times: "exploring and getting to a dead end - going back to Cid and Mid(?) to upgrade something". It's one of the stupidest sequences in any FF and both those characters suck. I hate how prevalent they are in the game.
>>3652534based Wizardry 4
>>3643915all of FF5 is easy. Even the superbosses. One of my proudest gaming moments was beating that mechanical superboss on my first try.The dragon gave be a bit of trouble but it was pretty fun to figure him out.
