Pic unrelatedI've been trying to get into CRPGs, so far the only ones I've really played are the Shadowrun games (Returns, Dragonfall, Hong Kong), Wrath of the Righteous and Rogue Trader which I did enjoyI already have these on Steam, which would be good for someone new to the genre to play? Pathfinder KingmakerPillars of EternityPillars of Eternity 2TyrannyI'm open to suggestions for stuff I don't own yet tooI don't really care for combat systems, I'm more into it for freedom of choice and interesting settings
If you liked WotR, you'll like Kingmaker, give that a try.Pillars is OK.BG3 can be good, but it depends on your personal tolerance for woke garbage. If you don't mind it you'll probably have fun.Can you handle playing old games, or are they too clunky and dated for you? I am guessing that you are younger.
>>3653864>I don't really care for combat systems, I'm more into it for freedom of choice and interesting settingsPlease don't play crpgs.
>>3653864Sometimes a genre is not for you and you shouldn't force yourself to participate it by engaging with the most casual content in its distant orbit. Systems are inherently tied to RPGs because you immerse yourself by completely engaging with the systems. If this does not happen then the RPG is badly designed. I think you should play survival crafting games or something.
>>3653864Did people really consider CompileHeart games to be real rpg's at some point? What the hell?
>>3653875The kind of people who enjoy owlshit do apparently.
>>3653873RPGs are easy games for babies, they're basically the most casual genre in existence.
>>3653877And yet you need to ask for "beginner" games and beg for "builds" constantly. Why not just go straight to Knights of the Chalice 2? It's a baby genre after all. No excuse for playing garbage because you're uninitiated or whatever, and yet people here can't move past like the same exact 10 retard games.
>>3653879Sorry newfriend, now RPGs are normies, normies all the way down. This is what you asked for, after all.
>>3653881Can I start making real BG3 threads and bringing the "normies" I want here instead of retarded third worlders and dudebros that think new vegas is a giga-brained masterpiece?
>>3653882>Can I start making real BG3 threadsNo, I don't think you can.
>>3653881It's normalfaggot, newgirl.
>>3653864Tyranny is kind of bad. It's fun to roleplay for a bit, but the gameplay and the writing are mediocre at best.Larian games (Divinity: OS + BG3) and Underrail are imo the best CRPGs gameplay-wise, but if you only play for the story you'll likely be disappointed. The writing in D:OS is particularly awful, even worse than BG3 which can be enjoyable at times.You might enjoy Dragon Age: Origins. Just make sure to avoid the sequels, they're all awful.
>>3653864I recommend Dragon Age: Origins
>>3653864Underrail is fantastic but its also a build autism simulator. You can mess up your character enough to not complete the game. (all of these are positives BTW)
>>3653864Play Guild Wars. 1.>>3653881newfag
>>3653864>>3653871>>I don't really care for combat systems, I'm more into it for freedom of choice and interesting settingsThen try Star Dew Valley
>>3653864> I'm more into it for freedom of choice Age of decadence and alpha protocol Also try ego draconis is good staring point for the genre.
>>3654279>Also try ego draconis is good staring point for the genre.Why do people post shit like this
>>3654282Because it's true? You can see all the edges of crpg in the most painless way.
>>3653864>>3653866>If you liked WotR, you'll like Kingmaker, give that a try.Kingmaker is a downgrade in every way. Should have started with that before righteous. Pillars are okay like he said, but I liked Tyranny more. You also can't go wrong with BG3.
>>3654288Its a terrible game and nothing about it is related to crpgs.
>>3654295Divinity 2 is computer rpg eurojank from 2009. Its literally epitome of crpg. You can clearly see how larian are trying to mix modern bioware approach with divine divinity.
>>3654303It's a very poorly executed single player mmo with very basic skill progression. I wouldn't tell someone to play wow offline to get a taste for rpgs. Most of larians games are very bad and not worth playing and I've been following them since divine divinity. It was only recently they became competent. Their previous titles were in service of building up a competent staff and creating a good engine, and the games were merely the bare minimum to keep the company afloat as they built themselves up.
>>3653875why not, the setting and plot are unique until they beat you over the head with it for 4 titles, not even counting the remakes.
>>3653879>Knights of The Chalicethanks for recommendation, just looked this up, purchased it, can't wait to try it holy shit it looks so good Really pricey tho, if I wasn't a loser who only ever spent money on video games I might've been unable to afford it
>>3655711I am not OP btw LMAOOimagine this kind of a game being somebody's introduction to cRPG
>>3654282>why do people post shit like thisI rly laughed out loud, you seem truly baffled by this dude's recommendation of ego draconis and expressed it in such a genuine way
>>3655711The first game is cheap and more beginner friendly.
>>3655720nah I am a minmaxxing autist I'll like it probablythe first one looks so bad it hurts my eyes
>>3653879>Knights of the Chalice 2Why is this game not popular? i only heard about it here.If its so good then why nobody ever talks about it?
>>3655724Well, who else would talk about it? Your coworkers, normafag niggers in school? Your girlfriend's gossiping friends?Because they are fucking normalfags. When do normalfags talk about anything worthwhile having a conversation over? Most retards only ever talk about shit like american politics and justin bieber, and if they so much as touch an art form, they can only grasp the most accessible shallow ones out there. Sinple.
Why does this board suck so much cock? /vst/ isn't nearly as bad despite being just as active. This board is nothing but shitty bait threads, pretentious retards, below subhuman IQ posters and an onimai spamming avatarfaggot.
>>3655724>Why is this game not popular?It is for what it is, compared to Feldar Vale or Dawnsbury Days or other similar games.>If its so good then why nobody ever talks about it?Because it appeals to a specific niche of genuine enthusiasts, same reason wargames like war in the east and shadow empire are not "popular" compared to total war and paradox even though those games are shit by comparison.
>>3655726>/vst/ isn't nearly as bad despite being just as activeShow me one good /vst/ thread, it's just gay redditors.
>>3655726Avatarfagging should be an IP banable offence,yeah I agreeEspecially if you are avatafagging as an anime tranny. Your whole family should get fined over that.
>>3655731Don't samefag man, you are having a meltdown because someone wants to play kotc
>>3655727I understand that but even niche genres and niche games will get popularity if they are so good, like i know Pathologic 2 is a niche game but its still known to some extent and is popular among enthusiast gaming circles, Knights of the Chalice is legit unknown, i have only heard about it here and just here.Not even a single video about it can be found on Youtube, by that i mean an analysis video or someone talking about it extensively.It seems like some mod you find in the depths of the internet.Why is that?Its sus when a game is like that but someone hails it as a masterpiece, it feels like someone is pushing their game!?
>>3655735>like i know Pathologic 2 is a niche gameNo it isn't lol, it's an edgy teenage girl game that gets pushed by youtubers all the time. How is that niche? Is anything that isn't call of duty niche?>Its sus when a game is like that but someone hails it as a masterpiece, it feels like someone is pushing their game!?KotC got GOTY on Codex. Twice. (Although once was runner up technically)
>>3655736Amazing logic here pal, by your own logic then Knight of the Chalice is not niche and its popular.Niche doesnt mean only you and your mother knows it.
>>3655738If a gay tranny that plays Pathologic says it gives them the ick then it's niche.
>>3655739Both games are niche, but Pathologic has some pedigree and gets those sparks you except a hidden gem to have.Knights of the Chalice? nobody cares to make any piece of content on the game.Why is that?
>>3655740>Both games are nicheNo Pathologic is just for adolescent teens who think they have schizophrenia but are really just losers. Like the kind of people who like Psychopomp and Signalis and Black Souls. Like their fantasy is that being sad makes them different and special or something. Like the people who gay "wow that girl is sad just like me, I bet she'd understand me and then I could finally stop being a loser". Those kinds of people.
>>3655742And who is Knights of the Chalice for? Basement nerds?
>>3655744Yes.
>>3655746Ok so im not shitting on Knights of the Chalice obviously.So can someone talk about what makes it good and why should i play it?I heard its difficult, how difficult it really is? compared to lets say Pathfinder, Wasteland 3 and BG3 where does it fall on that spectrum?And is there anything to do besides combat and exploration? or its entirely focused on that?Based on pictures it looks similar to The Temple of Elemental Evil, is that a correct statement to make or my assumption is wrong?
>>3655748>So can someone talk about what makes it good and why should i play it?Why should I do that? I don't want you to play it. You're a faggy redditor.
>>3655728Real good threads have never been tried
>>3655749But then you complain that people don't play "le good games" and only play "le bad games" So maybe stop bitching about it.
>>3655734>you are having a meltdownYour standards for what constitutes a “meltdown” are shockingly low. Objectively, you are yourself having a melty here, every single day.
>>3655751But the problem is you, you play garbage and make garbage threads. It's not up to me to suck your dick and beg you to play games. I don't "sell" people on games. This isn't reddit.
>>3655755>make garbage threadsI only made one thread on this board and it was 4 months ago.I literally only post here lol.
Too many people shop around for which fanbase will fellate them the most. I've been noticing this a lot.
>>3655755>It's not up to me to suck your dick and beg you to play games. I don't "sell" people on games.Faggot, you’re here every single day shilling three games: pathfinder slop, duck tales, and bg3
>>3655810I've probably done playthroughs of about 30-40 games on here and I post news about virtually everything, even games I don't like. Like most people here haven't even played 40 rpgs, period.
>>3653864play baldur's gate 1 and 2 ee, then play icewind dale 1 and 2 ee, then play planescape: torment, then do it all over again
>>3653864>I don't really care for combat systems, I'm more into it for freedom of choice and interesting settingsPlay Tyranny, Tides of Numenera and Planescape Torment
>>3656004Play BG1, then BG2, then PS:T, then IWD1, then IWD2, all non-EEs.Actually, the PS:T EE is fine, and a straight upgrade. Not sure about the IWD1 one, haven't tried it. BG1/2/IWD2 EEs are trash.
>>3656016Only an absolute retard would play IWD2 over the EE mod, the vanilla version of that game is awful.
>>3656049>Only an absolute retard would play IWD2 over the EE mod, the vanilla version of that game is awful.They’re the same game. The EE is made by trannies who like the base game, for trannies who like the base game. It’s simply contrarianism to pretend otherwise.
>>3653864Fallout and Planescape They're both approachable, cheap if not free, run perfectly well, and rated among the bestPlay Deus Ex too
>>3656236>rated among the bestThey really aren't any more, not for awhile
>>3656237Regardless they're the best of their time, are easy to access and play, look amazing, and aren't overly challenging or long. Much more approachable than something like Pillars or Pathfinder.I started with them and it was no problem.
>>3656238>Regardless they're the best of their timeDefine "their time", because most popular crpgs over a random and arbitrary 5 year period when then genre has been around for 45 years is not impressive. It's also not even true, PST was already dated the day it came out. It released the same year as SS2 lol.>are easy to access and play, look amazing, and aren't overly challenging or long.I used to think this way but then I realized people never move on from the "accessible" games so it's wrong to recommend them and only generates more idiots.
Just read the Planescape novelization (the one that mostly copypastes dialogue and not the other one).
I don't know if many people here have tried it, but I've been playing Encased recently. Interesting world setting, diverse weapon options, cool narration, it's neat overall. It feels a bit Fallout 1-ish in setting, but with more of a "international science/research" vibe...it's hard to describe. The intro is fairly long, but still good. I only just got a companion, but the game's been fun so far regardless. Combat feels well-balanced and overall satisfying. My only complaint is a personal one, being that I feel compelled to loot and hoard a lot since there is so much to interact with, and looting/scanning/etc give exp too, so some stuff takes longer than it should.While I'm here, do any anons have turn-based recommendations that play like Underrail? Doesn't have to be the same setting, but I really like that style of CRPG. I was going to try Pathfinder and Tyranny, but when I saw Pathfinder had non-turn-based combat upon playing the intro, I bailed. Also, I'm not sure if I want to play it more or not, but I tried Shadowrun: Returns last night, and it was surprisingly very linear. Is it just the intro being like that, or is the whole game that way?
>>3656016for a new player whose only experience is more modern games, i think the enhanced editions are the best place to start
>>3656565They’re just a buggy repackaging of existing community mods. The only feature they added is area looting.
>>3653864Personally I often tried and failed to get into CRPGs. Over the years I tried BG1&2, Fallout 1&2, Planescape Torment, Drakensang. I backed and played PoE1 but never finished it.Then, about 3 years ago I tried Kingmaker and got super into it. Since then I got super into CRPGs and finished all the above games and some more. I'm not sure if it's just an age thing or that Kingmaker really was just easier to get into but for me it was the gateway drug so I could see it working for others.I don't think it's the most casual friendly of the bunch either, but it was just the right balance of autistic and modern that it clicked for me and somehow even made all those other games fun.
>>3656586once again, new player experience is not improved by googling "community mods for 25 year old game" and figuring out how to package them all together.
>>3656587i had a similar experience, but for me it was dos 2 that finally made it click
>>3653864I recommend the Wasteland series.
>>3656591I can see that working as well, DoS1 or 2 into Kingmaker could be a pretty good way to go
>>3656592i couldn't stand how cheap and lame the world map is in wasteland 2, never played 3. walking around on a literal cheap 2d map with nothing on it while managing some janky water survival mechanic sucks
>>3656590>once again, new player experience is not improved by googling "community mods for 25 year old game" and figuring out how to package them all together.I acknowledged that the PS:T EE is an improved and more accessible version than the original to a new player. However, Beamdogs version of bg1 and bg2 are shit, and they are not an improvement over the originals. They don’t actually add any improvements or features (beyond area loot), they make the games look worse somehow, they rekt the cinematics, they added objectionable fan fiction modder content, they broke what little balance there was in the originals, and they introduced plenty of new bugs and problems in what was otherwise finished and solved games from decades ago.If they’d actually stayed in their lane and simply stuck to a humble remaster and packaging QoL improvements into an accessible package for young and/or new players for whom the original games might be a bit janky, I’d applaud them and happily recommend them. Instead, they’re a mixed sidegrade at best, and an objectively worse product at worst.
>>3655724To reach mainstream popularity you need to be digestible for normaltroons and that means shit like voice acting, simplief UI, some scenario and lore, muh music, whereas Knights of Chalice 1 and 2 are great games that don't hide behind such gimmicks and simply focus on game design.
>>3653864>I'm more into it for freedom of choice and interesting settingsAge of decadence
