>All the EN members that left did not speak Japanese, did not try to learn the language, and barely interacted with JP members>All of Myth and Promise are fluent in JP while also mostly residing there or going there frequently>Biboo and Fuwamoco are the only good ones in Advent because Nerissa and Shiroi don't care to learn Japanese>Same goes for Justice, literally 0 fluencyKronii already redeemed herself this year by showing what a whore Fauna is, and now Kiara has done the same by calling out all the traitors in EN that left while also signaling out those that do remain who are worthless because they completely ignore the culture of vtubers and what made them popular by not learning Japanese
Ame > Mumei > Gura > FaunaAme: Doesn't give specific reasons and thanks both staff and management. Asks people not to concoct crazy rumorsMumei: Cites both disagreements with management and health reasons. Apologizes to fans for not streaming and asks people not to spread negativity.Gura: Only cites disagreements with management and company direction, doesn't ask people not to spread rumors or negativity, doesn't apologize.Fauna: Same as Gura with the added bonus of"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here and I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol "which makes it sound as if she's being sacked or bullied out of the company
>>104624246Its already been proven in JP that there are cliques like with Fubuki/Miko/Suisei obviously having alot of sway, no doubt that EN equally has the same shit. Its to be as expected with a workforce literally solely made up of women
>>104624279Oh sure, blame the one robbed of her 2023 Sololive instead of the one having an entire 2023 dedicated to her.Go watch Yubari Rei’s MV, dumbass.
>>104624344Both can be true that there are talents themselves who pushed away others, and the company changing
>>104624279>alotBased.
>>104624376How exactly is that based, all 3 of those members are problematic in their own regard
>>104624195Kiara basically saying that EN should just become JP to survive. What happened to all those times she used to speak against management?: Why is she just a bootlicker now?
>>104624397
>>104624443Well her grievances with management have nothing to do with this, because this just seems obvious for people working at a Japanese company with expectations to go to Japan and interact to at least get some basic understanding of the language. Kiara has always just hated the shit like regulations and boundaries put in place
>>104624459Literally 0 correlation but ok
>>104624363Then don't fucking say bullshit like "cliques" having a lot of sway when it's literally the opposite.
>>104624195I think its pretty reasonable what she's saying, obviously she's been in the industry for most of her life so EN should be taking her advice even if she is still a runt in terms of numbers
>>104624559Cope, its retarded to think that none of the talents aren't within cliques of each other with more senior members ostracizing those that they don't like. Welcome to reality, Hololive is not some happy family where everyone gets along you delusional fuck
>>104624517A lot. Not alot. Educate yourself ESL-sama.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/a%20lot
>>104624612Imagine being this much of a grammer nazi
>>104624637You forgot the period.
>>104624195Japanese corpo autism will be their downfall. And I'm not just talking about vtubing here. Anyone not Japanese that worked over there will advise you to try and look for a foreign company in Japan, if you need a job, rather than a Japanese one. Their seniority autism and "workplace harmony" rules are way too much for a normal westerner. For example, a guy that worked for a JP company was scolded for not getting up to do the radio taiso with his co-workers.Hiring EN talents for yiu EN branch, and then forcing them to learn JP and attend meetings JP time is retarded. Japs in general refuse to learn english, which is one of the easiest languages ever, so they would rather force YOU to learn their (useless out of their shitty island) language.I dont blame the girls for leaving. Corpo slurpers will of course call them "le traitors" because, yiu know, if you join a vtuber corpo, you gotta be with them until you drop dead apparently.
>>104624637Probably an insecure ESL anon himself
>>104624664Only an absolute faggot uses periods on the internet
>>104624602There are cliques, cliques are after all group of friends with shared interest. But cliques having some sort of "sway" is the retarded schizo bullshit that I have the issue with.
>>104624483>To work for a Japanese company, you must be prepared to fly to Japan every month or move there despite being an English streamer
>>104624684>>104624687Take the advice of your fellow brown and improve yourselves. I would suggest properly accredited ESL courses.
>>104624672They're a Japanese company, why is it so wrong to expect at least some lvl of JP language knowledge from foreign branches? Sure you don't have to be fluent, but if you aren't then you're basically closing yourself off from the largest branch in Hololive while not being able to properly talk to most staff as well and not showing up for events and other things at the studio. Anyone that applies to Hololive not knowing these expectations, is mentally retarded and/or a grifter
>>104624672>english, which is one of the easiest languages ever,You lost me there, boss. It does have the benefit of being the lingua franca, but most Japanese don't speak it for the same reason that most Americans don't speak French.
>>104624684It almost always is, they have white desire and so badly want to be accepted
>>104624443She's learned that if she licks the boot they will let her do all the super lusty 3D VRchat model streams she wants to do among other things. When they take that all away from her eventually she won't lick the boot anymore because it's about getting what she wants from cover not any showing any kind of company loyalty.
Hololive"EN" is not EN, they're JP and should go back to /jp/
>>104624722Again, you are coping. There are members that have been there since literally the beginning, there is absolutely a hierarchy within the talents that goes beyond the normal senpai-kohai dynamics and its clear among the several groups that get formed for collabs
>japanese companywhy are people pretending to be surprised?
>>104624727>To work for a foreign company, you must be prepared to go there onsite if neededWelcome to reality, anon.
>>104624672Cover didn't make Gura a lazy grifter, she always was one
>>104624727Literally yes, what else exactly do you expect? Cover is not wasting resources opening a full branch location in the US or ID, so its easier to just have them all fly out or straight up move to Japan. All of the EN girls that left had that in common, they obviously did not like having to go to Japan several times a year so they left. But that should be an obvious expectation for this company
>>104624727>To work for a Japanese companyYou literally answered your own question you dumbfuck.
>>104624195>Kronii already redeemed herself this year by showing what a whore Fauna isI keep reading this, what the fuck does it mean?
>>104624195im not the only one who thought she's weaing a Stahlhelm here, right?
>>104624896They absolutely need to fly to Japan every month or just abandon their homes to move to Japan instead? I'm pretty sure the initial point was that they didn't need to be in Japan to stream for Hololive
>>104624894Mostly tourists that have 0 understanding of the industry, people like >>104624858 that think EN should get special privileges and not have to go to Japan to do events and stuff. Joining this company means dedicating yourself to it, they are extremely lenient in terms of secondary jobs and being in relationships and they just want them to go to Japan for in-person stuff. Any true weeb would be over the moon with that type of opportunity, and just reinforces that all the EN members that left were whore grifters
>>104624195Kronii doesn't get a pass just because Fauna's a bitch. Her Japanese is fucking trash.
>>104624913The only one who left who had issues with Japan travel was Fauna and maybe Gura. Ame and Mumei had no issues with Japan travel a few times a year. Ame has even been to Japan again after she left.
>>104624910This always made me laugh when people thought that Gura "became lazy" when she was originally like that before Holo. And even after going indie again, she's still the same lazy whore she always was
>>104624959I fucking repeat:>to work for a FOREIGN COMPANY, you must be prepared to go there onsite if neededWelcome to real life!
>>104624195>All the EN members that left did not speak Japanese, did not try to learn the language, and barely interacted with JP members>All of Myth and Promise are fluent in JP while also mostly residing there or going there frequently...but all of the EN girls who left were from Myth (Gura, Ame) and Promise (Mumei, Fauna and Sana also half-counts).
>>104624949Because she distanced herself from Fauna, barely had any reaction to her leaving, her pl doesn't follow Nimi, and Kronii just turning herself around from no more homo collabs and womanizing herself
>>104625037Streaming is a purely remote job that shouldn't require you flying out of your country every month
>>104624195Kiara is a runt in EN and will never get a Sololve despite how good her Japanese is, And sadly Bae may never get one as well despite her speaking JP and being among the most popular EN members today. Myth as whole is the most Runt EN gen around and Kiara is just mad that Gura and Ame leaving made her and her gen look like total jokes, which they where before Gura left anyways because even with Gura in the company, Kiara and Myth were still bottom of the barrel.
>>104624195And how does she explain away the massive amounts of JP girls that quit?
>>104624959Covid was a double edged sword, because while it brought in a massive boom for vtubers it also slowed down EN in other ways. Holo EN had so many projects delayed and shit because of Covid restrictions, so when everything finally opened again many of the members that were not used to going to Japan before were suddenly starting to have to do so for projects
>>104624868And? What does that have to do with having a sway about anything?What does being oldest members or collab between holos have anything to do with the decision of anything? Even Chihaya can collab with "the clique" and even the socially awkward Riona is collabing with Sora and even Miko today. Just because some people are so socially retarded and too stubborn to adapt, doesn't mean everyone should placate them.
>>104625064>he thinks streaming is their only job in Hololivekek
>>104625003Not really, all the JP members that talked about her said her JP is pretty good. Plus she probably isn't as upfront on stream about her fluency, she's at least far better than the EN members that can't even hold a basic conversation
>>104625002>>>/jp/
>>104625152He's right doe.
>>104624195I posted a thread pointing out the same thing months ago and everyone thought I was crazy.Now Kiara says it and suddenly it's a big thing. I knew I was the only smart person on this entire board.
>>104625009But its still a similar enough occurrence between them, plus the even bigger one with all of them not being fluent in Japanese. My main problem with it is what exactly were these girls expecting? Did they seriously think that they'd be able to do everything remote or get put in some local 3D studio to do their stuff instead of going to the company? Its just so asinine
>>104625182I'm pretty sure I read that and thought you were right, fwiw.
>>104625064>Hololive is only all about streaming! Nothing else but streaming!My nigga are you new?
>>104625053um anon, both statements are true. The first one means that all the EN girls that left were from the 1st 2 generations and did not fluently speak Japanese or want to go to Japan frequently. While the EN girls that still REMAIN in Hololive are all fluent and are ok going to Japan
Japan should kick out all foreigners
>>104625064Not even half of their job expectations are streaming lmao, there is so much behind the scenes shit that we don't see which obviously takes up most of their time for recordings/meetings/practice/etc
To be fair, it seems pretty clear that Hololive has been ramping up their expectations for traveling over time. When was HoloEN's first concert? 2023? You gotta remember that HoloEN was founded during peak remote work era. There's no way they were having foreigners flying to Japan frequently in 2020. Things have changed a lot. Being a member of HoloEN is a fundamentally different job than it was 5 years ago.
>>104624195>traitors>to a corporationBootlicker.
>>104624195Although, doesn't this mean HoloEN is gonna be rocked by more graduations when all their contracts run out? From what you said, it sounds like all of Advent and Justice are going to graduate except for Biboo and FWMC.
>>104625122>>104625220>Nooo, you have to stop streaming for your fans and take a month off to dance and shit for a concertLame
>>104625178Quit talking about yourself in third-person
>>104625122>>104625220I liked hololive better when korone was allowed to play weird ass games
>>104625254Yeah after I posted that I realized that's what OP likely meant to say. He should have typed>All of Myth and Promise who are remaining
>>104625294>Nooo all I want are streams none of the idol stuff and all other things that makes Hololive unique from others!Go find some twitch whore then kek
>>104625086I do agree that it is ironic how most of the remaining EN members are runts even tho they do abide by the regulations and expectations etc, while most of the EN members that left especially Gura were very popular despite not speaking Japanese or anything.
>>104625195No, it's an issue that was specific to only one or two of the girls that left so people who pretend it's a huge reason all the girls left (mostly chumbuds and saplings pushing this) annoy the fuck out of me.Not speaking Japanese is also, as the OP pointed out, something that applies to all of Justice. It has nothing to do with why the girls left. In fact we already know why they left - most of them effectively retired and the one who was still an active streamer wanted to get married and have a family which meant she couldn't travel. People trying to make a narrative out of this always have to conveniently ignore all the girls in Advent and Justice who don't fit that narrative.
>>104624195>Completely misinterpret what Kiara actually saidIn b4 kiara schizo bumps this to bump limit in 6 more threads while certain phase threads get insta deleted
>>104624637Kill yourself
>>104625096I don't think she ever touched upon it cause obviously different branches, and she's not gonna speak on a branch that she's not apart of
>>104625349The ones that stayed don't have a choice so it makes sense
The whole "Hololive being idols" is retarded They are and never will be idolWhat Hololive does is LARP as idolsThey are "popstars" or "internet insurancers" not idols
>>104625152People like you are the fucking worst, coming into a hobby like this and then ignoring and trying to change everything that made it good in the first place
>>104625381Then why is she speaking about the potential reason why people want to quit when she's not them
>>104625056That was concise and to the point. Thank you anon.I remember her expressing annoyance towards expectations of emotion and comradery, even if it would be fake.
>>104625182Well its a pretty big difference when some anon says something, and an actual talent in the company says it too. Especially when she's not just repeating the same "disagreements with management" cope and actually gives valid explanations
>>104625152Go away, tourist.
>>104625409Hololive should be about the video games. The singing and dancing is aight tho
>>104625398This. The only actual vtuber idol I know of is Mint.
>>104625286That's what I pointed out in an earlier comment, shit was different during 2020-2022. Kiara was confined to Austria still and unable to go back to Japan, while all of EN's big events were delayed so they got used to remote work. Then when restrictions went away and everything was back to normal, all of a sudden some of the girls that got too used to their routine did not like the job anymore
>>104625521I don't know why Cover didn't make a Gamers EN. Missed opportunity
>>104625288Hololive has its issues, especially going public, but they are absolutely a good corp in comparison to the shit that is infested elsewhere in the indsutry
This is retarded clip watching behavior. Kiara has also talked about leaving several times, like obviously knowing jp helps dealing with management easier but her and Irys have had LOTS of issues with them. Stop spreading rrats
>>104625291I mean it wouldn't surprise me if we do see more EN graduations within the next year, as for who will leave nobody really knows. But I think the main difference is that the non-JP speakers in EN now at least somewhat understand the responsibilities and at least try to interact with JP members.
>>104625549Why the fuck would they do that?
>>104625356Well I think it can be both, that them not knowing Japanese wasn't the only reason but it certainly was still a reason
>>104625379>Phase out of nowhererent free
>>104625646I just want to see girls play games. The performance stuff is a hit or miss
>>104625558>Militech has its issues, especially going public, but they are absolutely a good corp in comparison to the shit that is infested elsewhere in the indsutry
>>104625398>>104625122They a brand that's mostly associated with streaming. When somebody asks "what is Hololive" nobody responds "They're idol singers" we all say "they're Vtuber streamers".
>>104625395I don't really think its that, more-so that the ones that stayed already knew the regulations and expectations of the company
Just stop making EN do FES if they’re going to have their own concert every year. It’s too fucking long as is. I realize everyone that states understands the expectations but they’re going to burn them out if they don’t give them some sort of breather.
>>104625424Because she obviously had more interaction and knowledge of the EN members compared to JP members, idk what else you think it could be
>>104624246>Apologizes to fans for not streaming and asks people not to spread negativity.She could've streamed once a week and not lie about her fake health issues up to three days before her graduation on a members' stream if she didn't want to "spread negativity".
This is a corposucker thread. Don't event try to argue in here, it's worthless
>>104625467Well reality is that video games does not bring in nearly as much money and income compared to singing/dancing
>>104625558No they just have a strong loyal fanbase that is ruthless in going after critics. Cover Corp is kinda like Nintendo in that they can get away with doing what ever they want bc their fanbase will always support them no matter what.
>>104605601your other thread is still up.
>>104625495>Mint out of nowhereI hate mint beggars so much
>>104625195>My main problem with it is what exactly were these girls expecting? Did they seriously think that they'd be able to do everything remote or get put in some local 3D studio to do their stuff instead of going to the company?Your head is stuck in the present. It took years for the girls to get 3D models. When you're still 2D, there's barely any point in flying you out to Japan. It's a really goofy situation when you think about it. You've got like 2 years on the job where travel is minimal, almost more like a treat, then BAM they want you traveling as often as you can or get into a whole work visa situation (Ina can attest to how sticky that can get when things go wrong). I can understand why someone might not be comfortable with that shift, especially women who have a big propensity for choosing comfort over advancement with regards to careers.
>>104625598Some of the non-JP speakers who left also interacted plenty with JP members, doing collabs and participating in big JP events like HoloGTA or Miko's typing tournament.
>>104624443>apply to a Japanese company>to perform a Japanese entertainment role>said company has "spreading Japanese media" as its mission statement>that holds yearly shows in Japan>composed primarily of Japanese investorsOh gee, what a farfetched assumption that you'd make everything run smoother if you knew how to communicate in Japanese with your Japanese bosses at your HQ in Japan.
>>104625549Its mainly because separating branches out like that is not a good idea, there was never a continuation of JP gamers nor was there was for EN singers with Irys. JP tried a separate singer/dancer branch with regloss/devis, but that confused the hell out of fans since even with that focus they all still pretty much focus on streaming
>>104625578Then why hasn't she left yet, obviously she's been testing the waters this year doing a concert on her pl
>>104625728its kind of insulting. they hire EN for their own EN branch, but then force them to come to Japan to embarrass themselves by singing in JP in front of actual JPs. its like hearing a JP singing in Engrish
>>104625718>Comparing a fictional corporation to a real one that produces anime girl idols
>>104624195doesn't sana speak as much japanese as ina? she even held irl events in japan
>>104625728None of the EN girls are forced to do anything, if they don't wanna appear in fes or the EN concert then they don't have to
>>104625956dyrbi?
>>104625956Nah i think they were lying about that stuff being optional
>>104625784Gone are the days when fans completely shit on Cover during the China fiasco, I guarantee that if Cover openly admitted to going back to China then there would be bootlickers galore that would be like "oh here comes the racism against China" or "oh its been so long that Cover is ok going back
>>104625937Kind of, but Sana barely streamed as is and even back then she mostly did stuff alone rather than with her genmates let alone anyone else in EN or JP. So its always funny to me whenever people still today say that Sana was some beloved member of EN when she barely lasted 1 year
>>104624195
>>104626003>>104626008Yeah I think people are very gullible thinking that the girls aren't forced to do certain events, like Gura making sure that her graduation was literally right before enreco 2 because she obviously did not want to do that gay shit again lmao
Laplus already explained/exposed why some members graduated. What she says is much different than what Kiara said.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzz3RXEwF-Q
>>104625918If only you knew.
>>104626104rrat
>>104625689"Gamers" have nothing to do with playing games.
>>104626163Why act like EN and JP graduations are 100% the same?
>>104624195Her argument immediately falls apart with Sana, or did she forget her?
>>104625495>>104625804weird samefag
>>104626163All the JP members that left had different reasons obviously. A chan hated seeing the small passionate company turn into a soulless public one, Aqua and Shion were hired very young and did not want to continue working similarly for a company which changed so much, Chloe left because she knew Shion was leaving and wanted to bail first. Then obviously Coco/Rushia/Mel don't really need explanations
>Join Hololive EN>Be expected to speak JapaneseLol, Japanese aren't very smart!
>>104626461?
They have to pay for the flights to Japan too
>>104626443She did mention Sana, and basically said>Yeah I think Sana was somewhat fluent in Japanese>I'm not 100% sure because we did not really interact>She was probably as fluent as InaAnd Sana was different because all the other girls had been in the company for several years, Sana did not even last a year because she thought it would be an easy side gig while she had her art career just like Ina has done. But also most likely she ended up choosing between her precious Arknights shit and Holo
>>104626502>Chloe left because she knew Shion was leaving and wanted to bail first.That's not the reason at all.
>>104626168Based literature enjoyerSomeone is going to marry his oshi one day
>>104624195That has nothing to do with it. There are Japanese members who left too.
>>104624195>All the EN members that left did not speak Japanese, did not try to learn the language, and barely interacted with JP membersThey were hired for Hololive ENGLISHWhy should they be expected to speak Japanese and integrate with the Japanese branch when their entire purpose is speaking ENGLISH?
>>104626554Do they? From what I remember hearing from various members across EN/ID, the company pays for the basic flight (aka no business) and company lodging. If its a project the member is doing themselves then they pay for it, but if its for their 3D reveal I think that's when the company pays for it.
>>104625321but she still plays weird ass games
>>104626579Then what's her reason? Because she wanted to stream with her sister?
>>104626591This has already been talked about in the thread, obviously there are differences between why EN members left and why JP members left. Kiara only specifically talks about EN members here
>>104625409>coming into a hobby like this and then ignoring and trying to change everything that made it good in the first placeThis describes the investors who Cover now bend the knee to
>>104626637They're all contractors, so they are responsible for all the stuff the company would normally provide. Ina occasionally comments on how many airline miles she's earned.I don't doubt they get reimbursed for official business trips though.
>>104626608You are completely missing the point of EN, it was to provide a place for EN speakers to be as fans rather than latching on to JP. Obviously they are going to mostly speak and interact in English, but should be expected to know some Japanese when doing company shit and with the JP branch. Fuwamoco get away with doing mostly JP streams, so obviously its something that is not only accepted by encouraged
>>104626716That's literally every public company in existence, they aren't in it for the passion but the money so not really a Holo only issue
>>104626547>What is inspect element?>What is using to devices?>What is 4chanx?
>>104626731I know that they have to pay for their own stuff on debut and what-not, but I imagine they are able to at least write off all that stuff with travel and what-not on their taxes. Plus flying to Japan isin't super expensive, especially since they likely do get reimbursed. Pretty much every other company that has employees do traveling, even contract ones, will provide at least some payout coverage for travel and expenses
>>104626809Got fucked and trying to cope about someone taking the time to inspect element lmao
>>104626668Read her fanclub articles. She wants to do a lot of different things and never had the time while in hololive.
>>104624195Possibly the most based thing ever said in HoloEN maybe even in vtubing
>>104626809Ah yes nobody from "your side" ever makes a post that makes "your side" look awful. Piss off mintcuck.
>>104626930Like what? If you're gonna bring it up then just say them, cause she hasn't done shit since going indie
>>104626951Its why I love Kiara, she keeps it real when pretty much all the other girls spout nonsense
>>104626957Read the articles, retard. I'm not going to leak her plans just because some faggot who wants to shitpost on 4chan demands it.
>>104624195https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcb9GrLFfNo
I mean, Gura, Ame and Mumei rarely streamed long before these more frequent Japanese trips occurred. Including Fauna, they rarely ever did voice packs. Fauna, Gura and Mumei clearly didn’t go to the Breaking Dimensions show because they were the only ones that didn’t have MC segments and there’s not a single story about any of them from any of the talents. They were just lazy as fuck and when it was informed to them they would actually be expected to do things to earn their paychecks they quit.
>>104627047And there it is "just do you own le research" even tho she still hasn't done shit as an idnei
>>104627124She literally says what she wants to do and why she didn't do it before but yeah your made up reason is actually the real reason.How fucking stupid are you?
>>104627089Mumei went to Japan for Holofes every time which would be more effort than going to Breaking Dimensions, but she was having surgery during Breaking Dimensions which is why she didn't go
>>104627089What kind of revisionist bullshit is this? They all streamed frequently before the Japan trips, they were all incredibly active especially before the company going public
>>104624195Mori doesn't have much time left then
>>104627195>She still hasn't done anything while an indiek
>>104627287You guys say this about everyone that quits Hololive
>>104627391Because its the same cope every time "oh she left to be able to do more stuff without company restrictions" and yet every girl is the same story of just continuing to be a lazy whore even as an indie
>>104627287>plans don't exist if they're not finished immediatelyAre you literally retarded? The answer is yes.
>>104627436Nah that's your cope. The reality is they want to stream and have it be fun.
>>104627479Again, what plans then does she have because obviously she doesn't want to do anything that she couldn't do while in Holo. Same thing for every other girl, they just continue streaming once a week and that's their "big" project because its all cope
>>104627527There's nothing wrong with that, but when people cope about the reason why they left is because they want to do some other big thing as an indie then its just retarded
>>104627540I told you several times where you can read about her plans, retard.
>>104625721>They a brand that's mostly associated with streaming.From the very beginning to this day Hololive has been about creating virtual idols. Whatever else that entailed (like streaming, gaming, comedy), singing and dancing have ALWAYS been the foundation. With time what it meant to be a Holomem has evolved but the idol aspect has never changed.
>>104627623It's always a complete fabrication from Hololive fans.>She quit because working for Hololive sucks? No, she must have big plans. Oh she didn't? She's a lazy whore then glad she's gone.Every time.
>>104624195Didn't think I could like her less. I guess being the runt of the branch has a good reason.
>>104627627And still doing this bullshit, sad to see the absolute state of ex-holokeks
>>104627653>big plansWhy are you making shit up now?
>>104626502>small passionate companyFunny to say when she was there to see Sora sing away her soul to victorMore projects like Bloom would have caused way more talents to graduateCover has stopped most of its music production to let the talents do whatever they wantI appreciate what she did but Yagoo's direction has been better for everyone
>>104627685So you don't actually care then. You beg for information and immediately reveal that you didn't actually even want to know.
>>104627654Its definitely one of the main reasons why Kiara is where she's at, fact of the matter is most people are gonna be turned off from "real talk" from the anime woman. She is probably the main one that would be competently rekt without Hololive
>>104627717>As he says while still not giving details of said "plans"
>>104627779>still begging for info after saying you don't careWhy keep posting at this point? I already told you where you can find it.
>>104626716You think fans don't invest?
>>104627831Because your retarded ass acts like you're gonna get banned for talking about something that's public information and doesn't break any off topic rules
>>104625096Obviously, they couldn't speak EN and barely interacted with the EN girls.
>>104627906>making even more shit upWhere are you getting any of this shit from? Your asshole? It's not public info which is why I'm not posting it. If you want to see it go get it where it's posted. Surely you're not a brown third worlder who can't afford 3 dollars?
>>104625096>4>massive amounts
>>104624195>Kiara admits the best talent of EN didn't need to learn Japaneseduh
>>104627968>Go look it up its on her posts>Oh no its not public informationactual retard coping that his loser whore oshi isn't doing shit and is a failure without Hololive lmao
>>104624246>"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here and I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol">"I'm leaving because management won't let me destroy the branch by going public with my relationship"
>>104628027I think besides Gura just being naturally funny and cute, her not leaning into the Jap autism shit definitely improved her popularity not just among EN but JP as well. And we see that even today with her being an indie, still beating out pretty much every member of EN
>>104628072You're the only one coping here because you can't afford 3 dollars.
>>104628078That was only Fauna tho, at least so far
>>104628110Why would I give her money to see vague bullshit about "things she wanted to do but still hasn't done." Just accept the fact that you got cucked
>>104628078Post the correct version.
>>104628144Fauna is the only one who said that quote he mentioned
>>104628170>cuckedThe fuck are you even talking about anymore? The delirium you ENtrannies display is just weird.
>>104628230Do your reps bud, not so fun on the other shoe huh
>>104624949>Fauna asked Kronii to visit her on her birthday>Kronii flew and stayed for 3 days>fruits basket marathon>watched Mario movie at a theater>reminisced and watched clips of devour and other old collabs>cuddled on the couch together with snail>slept in the same bed>Fauna was too shy to try on a dress at a mall, so Kronii asked the shopkeeper and bought the dress for her.>https://youtu.be/NqS7aleMTLM>trimmed nails>itchy nose>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByOPE-7wej8>Fauna lost on purpose and let Kronii win for 5 games>https://youtu.be/Zkvb0-6Kzo4?t=5788>Kronii: You're patient? oh really? You weren't so patient when that happened.>https://youtu.be/BeSe4nvYws8>last tweet, retweet, or mention Summer 2023>last 1 on 1 collab Summer 2023>last mention on-stream (Kronii's end) Summer 2023Reminder that they had sex, were in a relationship for a while, and then stopped talking to each other. Even in Japan, they went on dates together, they signed the wall together climbing the same ladder while holding hands.Their relationship ended sometime late 2023.Kronii was heartbroken about it, never mentioning Fauna, re/tweeting her, avoiding her in collabs, etc., Kronii only said goodbye to her in the graduation stream because the others agreed to do a group goodbye.The fundamental reality is Fauna wanted to try girls, Kronii wanted something more. Fauna got bored, Kronii was used. There’s only one villain in this story. Kronii has no ability to recognise if she’s being used (Sally/Fauna now Kaela) and if she does realise then she keeps intentionally hurting herself by letting herself think she’ll have something she’ll never get.It’s well understood Fauna is a vindictive bitch, why else would her successor partner with one of the people who worked hard to ruin Kronii’s life.
>>104628279You're completely incomprehensible now. It's time to stop posting, ENtranny.
>>104628316I don't even like EN, but the fact that you think Ruka has any plans besides just getting dicked down on the side then idk what to tell you
>>104628346So first she quit for Shion but now's getting "dicked down". Why can't you keep your own story straight?
>>104628366wtf are you talking about, never mentioned that whore shion
>>104628398So you jumped into a conversation you weren't even a part of.
>>104627436Except Nimi and Dooby have both appeared in irl concerts, which were damn near Sololives, and they did it not even 1 year into their indie careers. Something they couldn't do while in Hololive.
There is not a single holofan in this schizo chat and faunaschizo OP doesn't count. You are all retarded who think speaking JP requirement is a good thing and not black company sign.
>>104628441Believe it or not, schizothread attracts schizos
>>104628441You're just being schizo and refusing to accept the fact that you're bullshit got called out, Ruka is a lazy grifter whore that will never amount to shit and probably whores her sister as well
>>104624279>Its already been provenAnd yet no proof has ever been posted.
>>104628479But you're the one being a schizo.>her sisterYou post this shit and act like you're "in the know". Embarrassing.
>>104628443Continuing to do idol shit that they could've kept doing while in Holo doesn't meant shit
I hope Mumei is getting better :(
>>104628471Black company really? After all the shit that's happened across vtuber companies between Niji and Vshojo, having a JP company want its foreign talents to learn JP is considered black company territory?
>>104628529Except they can't do that in Hololive. In order to perform on stage in an irl event (that isn't ran by Cover) they gotta use their alt like how Kiara did her Oshispark in Washington. But using your alt while in Holo is pointless since you won't be doing shit with that alt after the event.The only time HoloEN members are allowed to do irl stage performance shows are during Holo Only events like AFO or Fest. Or a Solo, but nobody in EN aside from Mori, is ever getting a Solo. Fauna knew this and went indie to better her chances.
>>104628522Cope, you're favorite ex-holo whores are nothing without the company and will contiue to descend into nothingness while they resort to having to whore themselves out to survive
>>104628708You said "her sister" so you're automatically wrong about literally everything. You're just an ENtranny clipchimp.
>>104628708Crazy how HoloEN fell so hard, they gotta use Bots to even match the ex-Holos indie viewership.
>>104628672What Nimi or Kiara pl did doesn't mean shit, they performed for a literal nobody audience that even the latter's concert was struggling to sell tickets. They are nothing without Hololive, and if they truly wanted to do events like that then they should focus on not being runts so that the company would've been more lenient with them
7K DORRYAAAAA!
>>104628787Then who is she some literal who that just so happened to form a clique with her as soon as she left Holo? Get real
>>104628794Cope, ex-holos have reached shitter indie tier while current Holos are continuing to dominate the scene
>>104628846>still begging for information when you don't know shitLMAO
>>104628287Kino
The smartest schizo
>>104628895Cope faggot, she and her little whore are fucking nobodies. Maybe i'll give them some money if they 3P with me like good little sluts they are
>>104629029You don't know anything because you don't even know who the other person is LMAO
>>104629082She's her sister, imagine being this retarded
>>104625379To be fair, Clara did nothing wrong and inadvertantly exposed the enemies of free speech and traitors among Phase's ranks who are waging an orchestrated campaign to smear her.
>>104629114She's not her sister, EOP.
Hot off the press, Mint about to have a 3D birthday live show with guests (including Nimi). See you don't need to be in a big corporation to do these sorta things.
>>104624195Sometimes friendship is a toxic Overwatch player and a Japanese FPS player https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msqnELT59Nk
>>104624279That's kurosanji my nigha
>>104629157Nobody cares mint beggar/napcuck
>>104629162Whores stick together, what else is there to say?
>>104624195BASED
Shiori next please
>>104624246>Ame: Asks people not to concoct crazy rumorsWhat are you talking about, she invented a whole new type of graduation specifically to make it unclear if she'd ever be involved with Holo in the future. Even to this day people speculate and fantasize and rrat about what projects or events she might reappear for. And why? To leave the door open for herself if her new plan failed? To soften the blow to fans/herself so it wouldn't feel like a goodbye? To collect residuals and fuck with teamates knowing full well she'd never be back? We have no clue, and we never will, but if the intent was to get people "not to concoct crazy rumors", it backfired horribly.
>>104628471There is no JP requirement and the fact that they hired people like GG proves it
>>104629557"Affiliate" was nothing more than a role for talents that still had projects ongoing/preplanned, and it gave them a reason to still technically "stay" in some regard. Because even for stuff like merch, there still hasn't been anything like that for Ame where she got a new merch line or anything even for Myth anniversary where she'd still get revenue and be able to at least create merch for her fans that were still interested
why are some people so bitter that they HAVE to try and shit on something you love, leave me alone, you freaks. You are not going to make me like hololive any less, they are my source of entertainment, what are you trying to do?
>>104628287didn't know Kronii was a lesbian but that tracks for Fauna
>>104629608I think Justice overall proves it, literally the least JP proficient EN gen to date
>>104629557Those rumors are positive though.
>>104628287So Kronii fell in love with Fauna, but Fauna wasn't feeling it? Sounds like Kronii needs to move on and find some one else and stop mopping about Fauna.
>>104624279Fubuki before Rushia's holo termination post immediately started the stream with Flare and start explaining "why Ru-chan is going to graduate".everytime something happen Fubuki, Flare, Miko and Mio always there to "explain to the audience".fukin hilarious
>>104625495Mint cries herself to sleep because she quit Nijisanji who actually would have made her an idol to join Vshojo who only lied about her becoming an idol to poach her
>>104625751Sure but she also is just flat out wrong about people not graduating because they don't care about Japan enough
>>104629865yeah, because of people like you.
>>104628287Also just to add in something newKronii while playing Chrono Gear early had no enthusiasm while saying Fauna's dialogue while she had a lot of an enthusiasm doing everyone else's
>>104629948"control the narrative" thats the hololive bestand their legacy just like nijis and any other corpos - just frail people who scared for their positions of power
>>104626745>Fuwamoco get away with doing mostly JP streams, so obviously its something that is not only accepted by encouragedYeah I don't know how you can say this and not see how it's counterproductive to the English branch conceptually>>104626779I never said it was a Holo-only thing
>>104628287I love people's denial cope to this is about how Fauna is getting married. As if they completely ignore what happened with Kronii/Fauna happened over two years ago and knowing how females are Fauna was probably talking to the guy when the Kronii stuff happened and when the guy showed more interest ditched Kronii. Women are like monkey's won't let go of one branch until they've got hold of the next
>>104624896I've worked for an American company for 5 years now, never needed to be around at 3 am or go there, bugs are not normal people
>>104630121>"control the narrative"no, you fucking dramanigger. It's to stop dramafags, the vile insects gathering around the emotions of people trying to satisfy their fragile egos, like you.
>>104629673We didn't know that at the time, though. People had all kinds of ideas what "affiliate" might mean and nobody gave a clear answer of what to expect. Ultimately it just lead to a bunch of speculation and false hopes. We haven't seen any of these "projects" materialize (that I'm aware of) and it's been about a year since redebut so we probably never will at this point, yet she's still an affiliate. What's the point of it all? Just call it a graduation and be done with it. Note I don't fully blame her for this. I think the affiliate thing may have been Cover's idea, which is very on-brand for them to make a new word for something poorly-defined and then never mention it again. >>104629772I disagree, false hope isn't healthy. A clean break is much better.
>>104625781Reality is gaming streamers with 4k ccv are millionaires in LA. You are living in bizarro world
>>1046280024 back to back is a lot
>>104624672>Japs in general refuse to learn english, which is one of the easiest languages everEnglish is one of the most difficult to learn if you aren't coming from a Germanic or Romance background because English has a bunch of bullshit exceptions to every single rule. Also English is laden with sarcasm which is a cultural concept that many Easterners have trouble with.
>>104630444>no, you fucking dramanigger. It's to stop dramafagsdeflecting problem on others to solve them for you? This Is NOT how you stop the drama retard..that's how you damage reputation for everyone involved
>>104630576No it isn't, and it wasn't even back to back when that number includes Coco.
>>104629873hahahahahaha ha sister please
>>104630737You're excluding A-chan and Nodoka
>>104630960They're not talents.
>>104630254>and when the guy showed more interest ditched Kroniinice fanfic fag. post it on your okbh account
>>104631002They streamed for the company a lot. They are talents
>>104631022>newfag wants to be spoonfed
>>104631067No they're not.
>>104624672Thank you. Of course clueless bluepilled weebs are going to defend their backwards shitty collectivism and heartless, cowardly business practices.I love anime and lots of aspects of japanese culture. I also think there are plenty of good, friendly japanese people that are not just hard-working and do have a soul, but less than a hundred years ago this country was raping and mutilating other asians, particularly chinese, and they deny it to this day hiding behind kawaiiness. There is a deep darkness in the heart of nipland. Also they almost killed my grandpa who was stationed at Pearl Harbor. Sneaky little fucks
>>104631359*great-grandpa, I'm not that old
>>104630731what problem, retard? how am I deflecting anything? there's nothing to deflect, there are just things that happened that dramaniggers latched on to smear and "take down" hololive.among those people, envious bitches, envious of people being content with hololive, envious of not having their egos stroked by a swarm of people.how about you get out of my place? get out of here, never opine anything hololive related, stay silent, watch while other people are happy with what they have.
This hobby is starting to have too much drama associated with it, part of the reason I don't watch fleshtubers is the cringe ass drama.
>>104631758>how am I deflecting anything?reading comprehension skills - 0>dramaniggers latched on to smear and "take down" hololivenobody wer trying to do anything before Noel started literally crying on her stream like a retard
>shitty schizo thread>260 replies>12 imagesfantastic
>>104631758>never opine anything hololive related, stay silent, watch while other people are happy with what they havelmao. if you so happy why you people still here after the hack? shitskin brain or something
>>104631142Yes, they are
>>104631875The drama is all fabricated and contained in this tranny site
>>104625122>>104625220>>104625285You have to admit that Holo was a lot better back during covid when the majority of them were streaming or otherwise making virtual content instead of now where we have endless meetings and dance practices and the talents are too tired to keep up streaming because of said activities.
>>104624195>not being in japan causes friction with constant meetings in the middle of the night, not being able to directly talk with staff to make sure you aren't being ignored, and the constant global flights, upending your schedule for weeks at a time.
>>104626163Ah yes, because japanese members would leave because they hate flying to japan and don't know Japanese.
>>104627648>From the very beginning to this day Hololive has been about creating virtual idols. Whatever else that entailed (like streaming, gaming, comedy), singing and dancing have ALWAYS been the foundation.Didn't Subaru and Mio do a whole ass stream talking about how that's not the case?
>>104632588Nope. They weren't hired to be talents nor do they have any of the same responsibilities as talents.
>>104634517They are responsible for streaming and promoting. Like the talents are
>>104624195Jesus Christ, NO ONE at Justice speaks Japanese?
>>104628812actual numbermonkey retardation in action
>>104629859We already saw it with Sally in painful detail Seems like she has a habit
>>104634660That was never their only or even their main job. They're not talents.
>>104630606>Also English is laden with sarcasm which is a cultural concept that many Easterners have trouble with.This always causes the most culture shock for me.Any time someone says something that's obviously sarcasm and I see an asian freak out because they took it at face value, it actually annoys me. >>104631067NTA but talents are a very specific title for the company with a specific type of contract, the kind of which a-chan and nodoka did not sign with.
>>104632074NTA but it's like coming to the zoo to see all the numbermonkeys flinging shit at each other and screaming incoherently.
>>104634367Justices entire existence kills any of the EN graduation 4chan narratives
>>104634279That's not what Laplus retard. You're parroting what Kiara (wrongly) said.
>>104630606>English has a bunch of bullshit exceptions to every single ruleLiterally every language has these same supposed quirks that you monolinguals think are unique to English.Like how people think "pitch accent" isn't just a basic element of all speech and invented a dumb term to isolate it to Japanese.English is EASY.Japs don't learn English because they have the strongest Entertainment sector outside of America.Everyone else learns English because, as children, they want to consume American media. They succeed, because English is EASY and USEFUL.Japs fail because, though it's EASY, it is NOT USEFUL.
>>104626168>book about a rock star who wants to get married to the fictional equivalent of Hatsune MikuOh no?
>>104634682Raora speaks Italian, which is kind of like Japanese.
>>104637317How do you even begin to believe something as retarded as this?
>>104634884They streamed constantly. They had models. They were talents
>>104624672How better is a western vtubing company than Japanese?
>>104637766They're not talents.
>>104637836How are they not?
>>104630606>>104634955>muh sarcasm doesn't exist in japaneseThere's no way you retards actually believe this
>>104624195EN branch, EN board. Fuck Japanese, it's not a requirement or they wouldn't have gotten hired. If the Cover overlords wanted japs, they should have hired japs
>>104626502>A chan>Aqua>Shion>ChloeNotice what they had in common?They're all young. Young Japanese have more western-mind and value individualist more than collectivist. They won't tolerate oppressive and restrictive Japanese corpo culture.
>>104624195>Kronii already redeemed herself this year by showing what a whore Fauna isLiterally the opposite lol it didn't redeem Kronii at all for being a piece of shit "friend"
>>104624687You're just too retarded to use proper punctuation. Inbred piece of shit, kill yourself.
>>104625002This fucking nigger calling people tourists like you work for them. Shut up you obese faggot.
>>104628287>>104629689>Fauna wanted to try girlsShe's bi and had an ex girlfriend before she was even in hololive
>>104630606>Also English is laden with sarcasm which is a cultural concept that many Easterners have trouble withIs that why I get mostly awkward dead air from JPs reading out my joke SCs?
>>104628287What happened with Karla?
>>104638700*Kaela Fucking autocorrect.
>>104638570Did you not know this? Did you never notice there aren't sarcastic jokes on anime?
>>104637911Anon...English is hardEnglish is sarcasticmeaning English isn't hard.
>>104634206doesn't work for all of them since gura was ghosting everyone for months at a time
>>104638570It's because they can't read english, dumbass.
>>104628443>which were damn near SololivesHAHAHAHAHA ooooh man you niggers are a riot
>>104624443Learning the Japanese language and some Japanese business practices =/= becoming Japanese, it should be the bare minimum when working for a Japanese company.Just like how I would fully expect from a foreigner coming to the US to learn good English and how business in the US works.
>>104638017Stop talking about "western-mind" and individualism when you can't even speak English, shitskin.
>>104624913I have a feeling the talents wouldn't even be OK with having a US branch/studio built, since they'd still have to either travel or move near it, and it didn't feel like they were willing to do so. Hell, half of EN was in the US and they offcollabed what, once a year at most?
>>104640092>Just like how I would fully expect from a foreigner coming to the US to learn good EnglishThat's a completely different situation though? ENs were hired to stream from their home to a English speaking audience. And most people who need to travel to another country occasionally for business dont learn a whole new fucking language
>>104637836The only one that managed to do anything more than phase(kek) imploded because the owner and at least some of his employees seethed for years over the blue dorito and stole/wasted all their money.So no, there are no good western vtubing companies or western vtubers outside of Holo.
>>104624195It hurt, but... the chicken alway told the truth
How fucking dare they join EN and not bother with the culture or learn the almighty language called JAPANESE!! - the failed idol who’s been sucking up to japanese muh culture since she was a teen
>>104640208If a US streaming/idol company were to hire a random SEAgger streamer that somehow doesn't already speak English, I would absolutely fully expect said streamer to both learn English and be willing to at least travel, if not move, to the US to participate in company activities, even if their main audience is (supposed to be) other SEAggers.
>>104624195What a retarded thread! No need to speak Japanese if they are marketting themselves to a Western audience.
>>104624195>0 JusticeCecilia doesn't need to know Japanese to have fun with her JP senpais. She interacts more with JP than many of the ENs who actually know the language.
>>104624195Fuck the language and recording requirements, just fucking give us good streamers.
>>104641193Getting along with JP senpais is useless. You need to get along with JP management in order to get something done. Mumei was the prime example.
>>1046413144 good ones left, 4 "good" ones remain only in certain streams/collabs
>>104624195Didn't Shiori mention she was learning Japanese through reading manga?
>>104624443>Why is she just a bootlicker now?she spent too much time with mint and panko
>>104641386Only Gigi and Biboo are good streamers nowadays, the rest were deadfishing their streams the past few months. The indie avengers are ironically helping hololive stay in the western mindspace with their label as exholos.
>>104625294>and take a month off to dance and shit for a concertyes, hololive is an idol company, retard. if you don't like "idolshit" go watch some ligger whores. LMAOOOOOO
>>104641535>Indie Avengers No, only Nimi. She's the only one who regularly streams.
>>104624279I don't know how is it in EN, but in JP the cliques actually tried to help their members rather than bullying members who disagree with them. If it wasn't for Fubuki, Suisei or Korone would have quit years ago, and Suisei is willing to mingle with Towa when people used to treat her like a pariah, and used her influence/popularity to boost her favourite indies
>>104641538we only tolerate their idolshit because one or two of them are good streamers, nobody would go to their concerts if their streamers were shit like niji
>>104641381I remember an early Raft stream of Biboo where she said Managment is talking to her when they need something from Advent because she is online at JP times.EN managment are just some ESL 2nd grade jap managment at the main branch, that isn't some big secret.
>>104624246Gura was the only one who made a song about tearing and burning everything down and released it as her farewell song
>dramafags literally making shit up>3 300+ replies threadsmust be slow day, I guess there's no other drama to discuss on /vt/
>>104641615Mint isn't exholo, but she helped too. She probably did more for holo than whatever she has done for niji, despite how much vt calls her a leech. Notice all the streaming runts in her concert announcement chat yesterday.
>>104641535>BibooShe's the Kaela of EN... Well Kronii has more of the boring aspect down. The 4 "good" ones left are Autofister when they collab, and certain FWMC streams. Mumei's gone gone, Ame is nothing without her la creatividad HoloEN projects, Gura is wishy washy, and Fauna keeps going on 5 day breaks with 0 communication on twitter and plays too much indieslop she finds from NL/Jerma instead of the interesting ones she mentions or puts on a list...
>>104641785There's a clip though
>>104629689>didn't know Kronii was a lesbianHow could you not know. She’s one of the only actual lesbians in Hololive.>>104629859Kronii still hasn’t moved on from Sally, the woman married with a child now. Kronii also doesn’t forgive or tolerate liars, so Fauna wasn’t only a broken heart/rebound fuck. >>104638718Nothing yet, but she seems like a nice girl and I hope if Kronii wants her it works out. But women can be brutal.
>>104641648Don't bother explaining to the EN only enjoyers. They don't even know all of Myth would have dropped out if they weren't collaborating and learning from their JPs
>>104642311Kronii squeezed an "I love you" out of Fauna during their hot sex, but it turns out she lied in the heat of the moment. Kronii will never get over that lie.
>>104641656speak for yourself
>>104642439Are you idolfags even watching Calli's concert? 6k ccv for a free section is fucking embarrassing, and she's one of the better performers in holo too
>>104624246Fauna left so she could get knocked up with no consequences, bro. You don't announce you're getting married and dreaming of starting a family 6 months after leaving Holo if you weren't already dating someone while in Holo.The official "disagreements with management" thing has historically been a blanket statement Cover uses to draw flak>>104628078This anon gets it
>>104624672Based and well said anon. In Japan companies will scream at you if you don't arrive to work AN HOUR EARLY to help do janitor shit and set up you aren't paid for.
>>104642931I genuinely cannot brain the stupidity to have one of the only corpo to willing to take the heat like this for you and fuck it up anw. Thankfully we have only two cases like that. And I don't get wanting to get knocked up without consequences reason when Cover never forbids relationships anw, you just deal with the low numbers yourself, or just don't mention that you're married or/and don't have seducing lonely men as your schctick, it's not that complicated
>>104641785it is what it is, and then they keep arguing with each other about shit that wasn't said
>>104624896>>104624913>>104624936>JP anons really think companies don't understand how to be international and operate outside their home countryHoly retarded.
>>104624195Holy based kiara
>>104625002I'm a viewer, not an investor. I DO CARE about whether they are in relationships. I don't care about them going to Japan or talking to Japanese management.
>>104624246You and Kiara forgot that JP members left too and what Aqua said.
