>>106154253
Marine was right.

>>106154253
but anon, it's her whole shtick

>>106154253
If she does get fired she has a pretty good defamation case on her hand

>>106154363
Against who? The government considers her crazy. Is she supposed to get the American government to go to war with Japan to prove she's not crazy?

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>>106154253
Stop asking questions. To do so is to defame the company. Just swallow the PRslop like a good drone.

>>106154415
>source the voices in my head
you may be crazy anon

>>106154253
The bullies include Mio, Fubuki, and possibly Suisei. However, JPfags have a dislike for Pekora and Miko, and fans of the two are attempting to defend them. As a result, Haachama is being portrayed as full of shit. Fubuki and Mio are getting away with it again

>>106154253
Nigga she IS crazy. She straight up said she was off her meds during the stream. Most that stream was her going over abuses she suffered from her family and schoolmates in the past.

>>106154508
If you believe the things she said because you for some reason think she's not crazy, then you also have to believe that everyone else in Japanese society consider her crazy. Most of her stories and complaints about people who consider her crazy aren't even related to her job.

>>106154253
So nijiniggers have switched up the flow, now saying Cover is lying about Haachama when she dropped a line stating she was off her meds and she was very clearly not in the mindset of a sane human during that stream

>>106154599
You need to separate real life from anime my friend. "Everybody thinks she is crazy" is probably not a good defense in a defamation case lmao.

>>106154253
kek youtube drama is so wild

>>106154735
>your honor all my homies think bitch be craaazy
I want to see that in court

>>106154253
You don't entertain the delusions of crazy people. You stick them in an institution where they belong and forget about them.

>>106154903
Wasn't that the case with Brittney Spears?

>>106154613
Off meds =/= becoming impulsive liar retard. If anything, it made her more confident and not hesitant to say the truth. Kill yourself Covershill

>>106154547
I get the hate for Pekora, but what has Miko done? Is this homophobia?

>>106154932
Average corpo wishippers views on the companies streamers. The second they imply the company isn't this 1000% amazing perfect place you just want them gone so you can pretend they never existed. Vtuber fans are awful people man.

>>106154508
She literally said in that very stream that she got hospitalized for mental health issue before, and that she wasn’t taking her meds that night.

>>106155195
What does wanting crazy people away from society have to do with any of that?

>Haachama will be terminated here is a Sukikira post made by a 47 year old Nijisister saying she will
>She is not terminated
>W-well she's going to be excluded from everything and then shadowterminated like Ao!
>HoloJP, HoloEN and HoloID show their support for Haachama, she will still appear on Matsuri's 3D Live (prerecorded, but still), Miko explicitly says how much she loves Haachama in her stream
>...WELL WHY DID THEY TOOK SO LONG

You're fucking pathetic, and the fit that you're throwing is more than enough proof that you don't care about the talents at all, I hope Nyabiss never fucking debuts.

>>106154547
>FBK
FBK was one of the members who collabed with her the most this year, though?

It doesn't help her case that she was absolutely acting crazy.

>>106155292
You don't care about her if your just using this shit as an excuse to console war. Your like every other vtuber fan, some fucking sack of shit that doesn't give a fuck about the streamers at all and oshi's some dogshit company.

He's going all out

>>106154253
remember when Fauna said she was graduating over management issues and all the nip bootlickers rushed to defend cover? it's pathetic to see them doing to same thing and insulting Haachama

>>106154253
Niji can't stop winning over this bitch lol

>>106155436
Nah I see tons of antis taking this opportunity to shit on holo by pretending to be fans. Others are just vtubing antis digging up shit from 4-5 years ago (doujin in fridge thing and contrail)

>red text
>black outline
>shit thread
Every fucking time.

>>106155436
> bootlickers rushed to defend cover
Funny that turned out they were right and "disagreement with management" was just "I want to publicly announce that I'm getting married and don’t want to stay in JP for long if I come over"

>>106155522
Sorry you can't handle people not drinking the kool-aid and pretending covercorp is this perfect company run by gods.

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>>106155582
They're shitting on (You), nigga. You flew too close to the sun and now these same antis are shitting on Niji and for VERY good reasons.

You worked yourself into a shoot, retard.

>>106154613
Does anyone recall that story of the schizophrenic woman who told all the doctors she had needles embedded in her arm and none of them believed her because schizo until an x-ray showed she indeed had needles in her arm?

>>106155652
Yes anon, anyone who dares has any criticism of covercorp or any other shitty company is a console warring retard or a trend chaser. Use your fucking brain dumbass, the company doing something shitty deserves to be called out for it. Fucking vtuber fans can't go 2 seconds without being retarded and worshiping a company. Why the fuck are you even subbed to these chick's when you clearly hate them, any time they leave the company you treat them like shit, you fuckers immediately started pretending a-chan didn't exist when she shit on cover, your awful treatment of mel and the others. Fucking disgusting man. Calling you vtuber fans isn't even accurate, you fuckers hate every vtuber out there, especially the ones that work for the companies you jack off.

>>106154735
I know you think the whole world works like a Hollywood movie but no, you can't just be a crazed lunatic and win in court based off your testimony because your testimony is inherently unreliable and can't be used. "All these things I thought and believed while off my meds were real! The meds were poisoning me man!"

>>106155848
Let's do a quick litmus test.

Say that you hate Nijisanji. No AND, no BUT, no OR, just say that you hate Niji. They're an awful black company who has caused unspeakable damage to their talents, so go ahead. Say that you hate Niji.

>>106155652
They're also mad when vtubers start singing anime OPs too

She should just accept that she is low tier within Holo and be happy with that. It still puts her above 99% of the entire vtuber/streaming industry. It's unfortunate but not everyone is meant for the top tier.

>>106155918
I read this in a sputtering Daffy Duck voice.

>>106155956
And when they appear on McDonalds or when they sang with Umas, yes. But it's funny to see these morons try and sic V-Tuber antis only to get bitten by those same antis.

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>>106154253
theres simply too many internal and external factors to take into account. choosing the easier option (labeling and dehumanizing her) will always be perceived as the most beneficial for good reason. its her life to live.

>>106155918
I hate nijisanji too, and every fucking vtuber company. They all treat their members like dogshit, whether it's covercorp, nijisanji, noripro, brave group, re;act etc. You fuckers defended re;act driving a chick to kill herself and jump into a train. People regularly defend that sack of shit tamaki that brags about abusing the people that work for her. Everyone immediately started coping that brave wouldnt treat v4mirai and globie like shit despite their track record and low and behold they did they same shit they always do. Vtuber fans are the worst, I don't know why anyone wants to be a vtuber nowadays, back in the kizuna ai and early days it was fine but the fucking fans are all awful fucking people now.

>>106155741
Hah, classic Shondo.

>>106155886
I think you are living in delusion land if you think taking some medication = "crazed lunatic" lol. You think if she was that off her rockers she would have a job with a company where public image is everything. I know it's hard bro but critical thinking is a good skill to have.

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>>106156112
You fucking suck at this.

>>106155956
i think everyone hates when vtubers sing anime OP's, they all suck at singing.

>>106155195
It's really just Holodrones who are like this desu. They're way more invested with the company than any of the girls.

>concern troll thread
>my le clique
lol

>>106156112
Why are you even fucking here, on the vtuber board, if you just hate vtubing?
Get a hobby, loser

I'm surprised she hasn't roped yet

>>106156112
By the way guess who brought the NND drama addicted fanbase to V-Tubing, Niji.

You LARP as an oldfag but nothing can compare to the absolute pieces of shit that were early V-Tuber fans, specially Nijis.

>>106156235
why are nijis so obsessed with making people suicide?

>>106156217
inb4 being a le epic troll xd or whatever makes him hard

>>106154595
>Most that stream was her going over abuses she suffered from her family
The same family that Cover is turning her over to? MMmm, I dunno that sounds pretty Crazy anon

>>106156365
Yes, the family that is her emergency contact that Cover had to legally talk to if they wanted to send her to a hospital for mental health care by professionals

>>106156147
I want to live in this anon's magical land where you can get medication for mental health issues while not having a diagnosis for mental health issues, and where courts would ignore any such diagnosed mental health issues and consider you mentally healthy.

But really, no, you're just a fucking moron. Holy fuck.
>B-but but the voices in my head said she wasn't crazy, even though she herself said so and acknowledged she wasn't taking her meds! She was lying! But also telling the truth about everything else that's more convenient to my brainworms! I'm not crazy! You're crazy!
Bro.

>>106156217
Yes, hating pieces of shit like you that defend shitty companies and praise them for driving people to suicide means I hate vtubing. Fucking subhuman sack of shit, disgusting dogshit fans like you aren't vtubers.

>>106156440
Yes anon, haato is an insane lunatic who babbles gibberish and would kill everyone in covercorp, we get it. She said something bad about the company so she's complete nuts and needs to be euthanized.

>>106154415
Japan is the one country in the world where facts don’t matter for defamation suits
She'd still lose cause japan is a corpo run shithole though

>>106156559
>Uhhhh uhhhh I have no retort so I'll just delude up some absurd nonsense that was neither stated nor implied and then act like I somehow defeated that nonsense because I am very clever!
You okay there buddy?

>>106156147
She said she got hospitalised for mental health issues before. Even in the US that doesn’t happen often, much less in JP. No way they admitted her without any basis

>>106156596
>Anon still spreading Connors retarded misinformation that even a cursory glance at either the law itself or the jurisprudence around it would correct
What the fuck are you doing you dumb fucking nigger? That shit is so blatantly wrong you have to be really fucking stupid to actually fall for it.

>>106156425
Ah yes, if its all according to the legal system then it is perfectly fine to turn a potentially suicidal young woman over to her alleged abusers. What could go wrong?

>>106154595
were there ever any good translated summaries of the stream? it seems everyone is going off of hearsay.

>>106156596
Actually fact does matter. That’s why Rushia with her 8 lawyers lost the defamation case against two random nips.
She sued one of them for defamation because he said her behavior was crazy for a 30+ years old woman. The judge ruled for him because, according to the judge, her behavior was indeed crazy for a 30+ years old woman
It’s easier to win defamation case in Japan compared to the US, but not *easy*.

>>106156739
>alleged
That was the keyword

>>106156838
Make your own from the transcript then. https://gofile.io/d/upRDzi

>>106156949
why do you think i was asking for a translated summary?

>>106156739
So what else is Cover, an otherwise unaffiliated company, supposed to do about issues in the private lives of their employees? They have no legal ground do take any action, so unless you want Yagoo to show up at their house with a bat or some shit, what exactly do you expect?

She definitely had some nijiwhore whisper in her ear. You need to be either insane or malicious to malign cover like she did.

>>106156986
Let her go free and punish the bullies in the company

>too entitled to keep being a shareholder onahole
Fucking despicable

>>106156907
Her own personal stories held alot of convinction and pain, while that is no guarantee of them being true it feels like these allegations need to be looked into and investigated before her family gets to decide what happens to her.

This wasn't like the snippets where she talked about Hololive where she was uncertain about believing in what she was saying and would then backtrack saying that she was probaly at fault to a degree for some of the Hololive things.

Even a crazy person can be right once in awhile and amongst all that she was saying in that stream, the family stuff sounded like the biggest smoking gun.

>>106155247
Do you think that not taking your meds makes you hallucinate or something? No, it makes you impulsive, not a liar.

>>106156999
She was off her meds and shooting back and forth with antis who goaded her at times throughout the stream. It’s not like she was ranting alone unprompted

>>106156866
Anon the law itself lists factual merits of a claim as a grounds for something not being defamation. The difference is that in Japan (and many Western countries with non-retarded legal systems) you can still defame someone with the truth, for example if you maliciously share a hurtful truth about someone (where there is no public interest in that information)

A simple example would be sharing that your colleague is wearing a hairpiece. This would be true, but there is no reason for anyone to know about this private information, and you sharing this information might hurt the public image of this person, and would be defamation. Meanwhile, saying a restaurant that has a rat infestation has a rat infestation is plainly in the public interest, and is therefor not defamation.

But hey, dumb retards hear "the truth dun matta in japanz" and roll with it.

>>106156986
For starters 0 interest loan so she can move out and away from her family
Maybe provide legal assistance so she can legally declare independence from her direct relatives or at least designate someone more trustworthy as her legal guardians?

>>106157034
So fire her and give her "abusers" more reasons to abuse her? Make up your goddamn mind.

>>106157087
You really need to look up what a schizo is. Not everyone is on the same meds as you.

>>106157034
"Let her go free"
What the fuck does that even mean in this context? Cover doesn't imprison her, and someone who is having mental health issues cannot be left to their own devices. If her parents are abusing her, investigating such matters is up to other institutions that have nothing to do with Cover, or any employer in general. Your employer is not your god damn legal guardian you imbecile.
>Punish the bullies
Who? There is nothing suggesting there are any, not even Hachaama claimed as much. The most she claimed was preferential treatment, and that too is obviously influenced by her mental issues, so we have no way to know there is even any merit to such claims.

>>106156596
>Japan is the one country in the world where facts don’t matter for defamation suits
My guy, you live in a country where you can get arrested if a woman regretted having sex with you 8 years ago and started saying it was rape.

>there's a hierarchy in hololive
yea no shit

>I'm getting bullied
yea and you deserve it

>I went to the psych ward
hmmm, I wonder why

>my mom and sister use me as a tool for rent
just move out

>>106157154
Ah yes, lets have the mentally unstable young adult go live on her own on a loan. Are you fucking serious? You better be fucking trolling here nigger.

>>106157154
>0 interest loan
They already do that, it's one of the things that makes them an evil black company, remember? Jesus Christ. What you meant to say was just give her money that they stole from other members.

>>106157211
So much for the Hololive Family positive vibes
I thought you were supposed to be different than KuroSanji

>>106157202
Why do you think she's a schizo?

>>106157087
No, it didn’t make her a liar. Her mental health issues, however, did twist everything in her mind which makes what she said rather unreliable

>>106157297
she said that there's people outside her apartment looking for her to murder her

>>106157276
>Anon has nothing to say and just starts sperging random nonsense
Why even bother nigger? Are you ok?

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You saw a woman with mental health problems get placed on leave so she can have some private time to sort herself out, and your first reaction was "oh boy, I can't wait to use her to spam anti-Cover rhetoric for hours!"

>>106157154
She doesn’t lack money. If she truly wanted to move out, money is the least of her concerns

>>106157361
Hololive Family? More like HoloMafia Family
How many more corpses need to be left behind before fans realize something is rotten

>>106157406
If you care so much, add your corpse to the pile so we can all find out sooner.

>>106157355
That's not a sign of schizophrenia, that's paranoia and not enough for a diagnosis. Also, it could very well be true.

>>106157406
Weird that you are trying to claim this when Hololive members themselves rarely, if ever at all, call it "Hololive family". They call themselves coworkers and good friends most of the time. "Family" is what NijiEN used

>>106157406
Anon it was Niji who claimed to be a family, remember? Snap out of it lad, you're having a schitzo meltdown and can't even keep basic facts straight anymore. Where are these corpses you're on about?

>Haachama's own mental health be damned, COVER is going down!

This is (you), OP. You've been using her as an Anti-CORPO/COVER weapon and it underscores how HoloAntis think.

>>106157034
She is the bully you fucking nijinigger retard.

>>106154253
Anon everyone has known she's nuts for years.
The only thing that can save her is a strong man to hold her down and breed her.

>>106157391
And what happens when streaming isn't the burden but what keeps you existing, and your household isn't what keeps you existing but the burden?

>>106157520
Mask off.

>>106157474
You realise, I hope, that PDD or it's cousins share a lot of the diagnostic field with Schizophrenia to the point where the distinction in this discussion is utterly irrelevant, and you've completely and utterly just lost the point you were trying to make.

>>106157534
Yeah, me.

>>106154253
I've been in the hospital, qrd on Haachama? Any links to relevant vods?

>>106157579
Yea, I guess her employer needs to go sort out her private life for her now, seems legit.

>>106157579
That’s something for the professionals to decide. That’s why she is going to the hospital

>>106157238
Holophased

If you think there isn't at least one slight truth to any part of her meltdown you're retarded, Yes, her mental illness definitely twisted some aspects, but a lot of things she said weren't even that out of the ordinary. The only thing that I think was pure bullshit is the bullying and the dating between two members.

>>106157626
https://gofile.io/d/A0z30L

Hololive was always honest about just being a business, the fake family shit was niggersanji's thing.
No idea why phasecucks keep bringing this up.

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>>106157676
>the dating between two members.
No, actually that's 100% real.

>>106157676
Anyone who thinks 90 women coworkers doesn't have cliques, people who hate eachother,etc is delusional.

>>106154547
No. Haachama was angry at a certain group who do multiple sololives
the queen of clique is Pekora
die you noufagi

>>106154547
This is the kind of thing people will rightfully get sued over. You have zero evidence that fubuki bullied haachama. In fact, there's more evidence she is one of the few members who gave a damn

>>106157676
>>106157755
All jokes aside. Which members would actually date? I don't get "actual" lesbian vibes from anyone. They all yuribait sure but there's a big difference between two girls hugging, holding hands and kissing to two women tonguing their unshaved cunts.

>>106157775
>>106157878
Now THIS is projection.

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>>106156739
you're so comically disingenuous and feigning concern only to slander the corpo she's attached to
the feminine inquisition followed by the smug dismissive tone is boilerplate birthed in a corpo lab, that you regurgitate with empty eyes and a shit eating grin
you essentially lack autonomy and i've met you 1000 times before

>>106157238
That's fine, but I'll point out you didn't contest anything on her side. You can understand why she would be getting emotional in her last stream to say goodbye to her Haatons and her career. You can't pin that on mental instability though. It would be the same for anyone.

>>106157878
Pekora only have 1 sololive

>>106154253
She's aired out a lot of legitimate grievances in that stream. She also said everyone around her is out to kill her and she doesn't sleep because she's afraid for her life. You can't really say that and not expect to be painted with the crazy brush. I wonder if it was a (conscious or not) choice to soften the blow of potential consequences for shittalking the corpo.

>>106157087
It won't make you a liar but it distorts how you see things. You feel alone and excluded when maybe that's not the case or there's a reasonable explanation

>>106157474
>That's not a sign of schizophrenia, that's paranoia and not enough for a diagnosis
More like psychosis, paranoia is just the belief that you're being targeted. Hearing people that aren't there or hearing what they didn't really say isn't just paranoia. Also paranoia itself is a common symptom of schizophrenia. So is psychosis but you can also develop the same symptoms without actually having schizophrenia, like amphetamine-induced psychosis is quite common.

>>106157878
Weird thing to be angry at, then, since neither those members nor Cover make the call on who gets a sololive. Sponsors (who fund those events) do.
That just sounds like jealousy from Haachama

>>106157909
This isn't worth speculating over, it's not even necessarily malicious on anyone's part. But did she feel unheard and unsupported? Yeah of course. Why else would she feel compelled to air all these unaddressed grievances and blow up everything she worked for after 7 years. As Holo grew and the old faces left, she probably just fell in the cracks. Not fancy at the of the day, but sad? Absolutely.

>>106157676
>The only thing that I think was pure bullshit is the bullying and the dating between two members.
Why?
Dozens of people somehow getting along perfectly but also never fucking is ludicrous.

>>106158348
Again, this is all through the lens of mental illness. A lot of what she said was rambling and contradictory. She was moody swinging all over the place. She was clearly not in her right mind.

>>106157238
>my mom and sister use me as a tool for rent
>just move out
This.

>>106158338
>That just sounds like jealousy from Haachama
If what I read is correct, she mentioned it's not fair to hold out the promise of career progression to talent like a carrot when there's only so much opportunity to go around. Very different kind of criticism. And much more fair, I think you should realize.

>>106158383
>Anon actually believes they're all single
Bruv...

>>106158473
Cover doesn't decide who gets a sololive. The vtuber has to get popular enough to attract viewers and sponsors.....

>>106157676
>>106158383
She never actually said she was bullied, mind you. She only said that while other girls didn’t do it intentionally, she still felt left out and excluded. She also ranted about being rejected for a collab by a certain girl because her numbers weren’t big enough (she didn’t name anyone)

>>106158463
I don't agree with that. "She's just crazy" is just smearing her character to shuffle off criticism. Oldest trick in the book. And a very evil one, I might add.

>>106154253
she has been crazy for fucking years, catalog tourist

>>106158548
>She also ranted about being rejected for a collab by a certain girl because her numbers weren’t big enough
Gura.....

>>106158473
But opportunities are there to grab. It's unlikely, but It’s not like it’s impossible if she kept trying and growing more popular.
Well, the issue was that her popularity has been stagnating or outright reclining and she hasn’t been able to figure out how to improve yet, but that’s on her

Here's an RRAT: Kson fed her lies about COVER and because Kson is too much of a coward and has currently zero credibility (because of VSHOJO lol), she set Haachama up for the fall.

>>106158383
A lot of Americans forget that lesbians are a minority

>>106157931
miComet duh

>>106158568
No, "she’s crazy" added the context that you should views her claims in because several of them were rather contradictory with facts when you think about it

>>106158719
Kson sued people with her own time and money to defend Cover and she publicly announced that she did it because she didn’t want them to use her to attack "place and people I love". I don’t know where this whole "Kson hates Cover" came from

I've been gone a long time and out of the vtubet world. What did Hachama do or say? Is there some place where I can find a summary on all of this?

Clique queens miko, mio, fubuki and suisei at it again

>>106158708
Hololive kneecapped her during Coexist, wasn't she pulling in something like 50k+ concurrent viewers. If you want to make it all about numbers, Holo's management essentially pulled her down because what she's good at is not valued by the company.
>>106158945
>several of them were rather contradictory with facts when you think about it
I don't agree anon. Most of what she said seemed pretty on the nose to me. And I say that without prejudice to Cover. They went from something like 50 employees at the beginning to 800+ now, and they're dealing with partnerships with McDonalds and Coca-Cola. There's a lot less space to color outside the lines as someone unique and that kind of growth changes the feeling of a business. Think about that yourself.

>>106156695
in japan, defaming someone in public, even if everything you say is true, is still a crime. and public also applies to the internet because they have cucked somewhere down the years.

is not like the west where for defamation we menat false accusation. there is a matter of face.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6902528f-23dc-8006-ad88-f19820b118e1

stream fed to chatgpt, she's crazy and her life sucks, but Hololive is a black company that is making her life worse.

>>106156011
>when they sang with Umas
This is particularly funny to me because Gold Ship has been a vtuber longer than most vtubers have been vtubers.

>>106159208
> in japan, defaming someone in public, even if everything you say is true, is still a crime
This is untrue, as proven by the MichealCat's case anon linked above.
It’s true that you can sue someone for speaking the truth in Japan and win - which is why it’s easier than the US. However, it doesn’t mean you will *always* win. It’s still hard. MichealCat who was equipped with 8 lawyers losing against a random nip with one was a clear demonstration

>>106157649
she lives in japan, the "professionals" aren't going to do shit

>>106159161
>Most of what she said seemed pretty on the nose to me
She claimed that she was excluded, yet another anon already checked and found out that she had around 26 collabs (some collabs resulted in multiple streams and song) and collabed with 19 unique members (some collabed with her multiple times). That was more than what average Holo member got.
She complained about Hololive going to Disneyland, but it was a big team building gathering that invited everyone (some didn’t make it). One that she decided not to come and travel instead because she thought they wouldn’t want her to come
Let’s not forget that she also has a history of ghosting people who reached out to her (Matsuri, Watame) and ditched a collab with Biboo very recently
Doesn’t seem to be that excluded to me - and that was only one argument, there are several other when it came to Hololive
I’m not saying she was lying, but her mind clearly painted her interactions with others way more negative and convenient for her than they actually are

>>106159270
Nigga why is your chatgpt so dramatic? I've never had mine give me opinions like
>this is brutal
>it's chilling
Lmao wtf is that?

>>106159004
it came from /#/ like every other retarded third world bvtmmonkey narrative

>>106159512
would australia have been any better?

>>106159781
Anon, you're trying to talk about deep personal dynamics by extrapolating from a bunch of bullshit as a complete outsider. I'm not calling it either way yet, of course we have to consider she's an unreliable narrator (which we all are). But trying to rule on it as if you possibly understand, by shoving this garbage at me shows bias on your part that's just inexcusable. Collab stats? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Get a fucking grip.

>>106159989
>Harden up you fucking sook
Maybe?

>>106157238
>Just move out
With the money she doesn't have because her job hasn't paid her for half a year?

>>106160048
>Confronted with facts that showed her claims were rather contradictory
>N-no you just don’t understand
Hmmm

>Cover is fucking evil! Haachama proves it! Look at all the stuff she said!
>actually, if you tally it all up, it makes it seem more like she may have misinterpreted some things
>Why are you pretending to understand her!? YOU FUCKING MONSTER!

was the english summary of the stream accurate or just some bullshit?

>>106160351
She released 6 freaking songs in 3 months. Even lowballing it to around only $20K-$30K, that was still more than a hundred thousands dollars, plus the photo exhibition Cover was going to give to her despite warning her that it will operate at a loss. She isn’t in any real need of money. No HoloJP / EN member is, for that matter

Clique queens pekora at it again

>>106154253
She's not being brushed off, people are worrying about her and want her to get the help she needs. She's not crazy she just has bipolar. Bipolar is no joke.

>>106160468
If you meant the chatGPT link above, It’s chatGPT based on a transcript made by another speech to text tool. You tell me

>>106160558
i meant the one when all this shit was started

>>106160370
Yeah, you got him there. He just wants to believe it so he doesn't care about facts and truth he's just gonna believe what he wants.

>>106160370
I'm pretty sure she was talking about deeper friendships, not just keeping up the normal superficial connections at work. I know exactly what that's like, I have plenty myself.
>inb4 'it's not Cover's job'
Fair enough. But if she doesn't vibe with anyone at work on any real level, and all this after 7 years, you can imagine how lonely it must be for her especially when the job is her life. Like I said, it's not necessarily malicious, so you can stop freaking out. Bad things can happen even when people have good intentions. Look at her Xmas collab by the way (Coco, Mel, Rushia), or her conversations with A-Chan. Use your head, man. All these people are gone. Maybe it's just bad luck, I'm not trying to be unfair to Cover. But it's not imaginary either.

>chatGPT
hololive antis are indian?!?

>>106155546
I think you're right, but I think she wanted to do it as Fauna, not lemonleaf.

>>106160936
She was saying that she felt excluded, though. There is a difference between not having deeper friendship and being excluded
I know she also talked about that deeper friendship and said she hated how some people only checked up on her when she was unhappy, but that’s another matter (and I think that, too, was rather needy but at least it wasn’t contradictory)

>>106159500
oh so I was wrong, nice to learn this

>>106161224
>not having deeper friendships
>some people only checked up on her when she was unhappy
Anon, a situation like this doesn't develop overnight. It leaves a trail much longer than one chat transcript, and it's there if you look for it. I'd encourage you to slow down and keep an open mind, rather than fight hard for your opinion with a minimum of information. That's not a fair way to come to a conclusion on anything.

>>106159208
Read the thread you retarded sperg.

Hate to ask for this but can i get a QRD? I'm completely out of the loop

>>106154422
kek what did she say?

Did she deserve the stealth termination?
How many vtubers have been stealth terminated?

>>106159781
>Collabs = friendship
Retard
>She thought they didn't want her to come
She flat out said she wasn't invited
>She ghosted people
Never happened. The Biboo collab was obviously an abrupt emergency

She outright said they excluded her because of her bad numbers and used the excuse that she was "introverted" to exclude her

>>106162307
>She has more collabs than most
>"they excluded her!!"
Nice reading comprehension, retard.

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What did she mean by this?

>>106162670
old people needs to be replaced with new people to now end war pachi pachi pachi

>>106162434
If you actually watched the stream, she said she was excluded outright when she had bad numbers and then everyone came crawling back once she got more popular

The exclusion is any actually being her friend and hanging out with her , they only pretend to be her friend when she's sad on stream. Collabs don't mean shit

>>106162670
She's planning a coup to replace the old guard and put an end to the (shadow) war.

I feel bad for Haachama. She was just too young when she started this, spent too many of her formative years doing it. I'm not going to say that she should have quit like Shion because this job must mean a lot for her, but i don't know, she's clearly not well. I hope she gets better. I try not to get overly parasocial but i've been watching her for so long now that i can't help but to worry.

>>106163005
>If you actually watched the stream
You clearly didn't. Nice try faggot.

>holofags problem
>holofags keep bringing up niji
What is holofag problem here again?
No one cares about your menhera chubbas

>>106162307
>Never happened.
Fuck off, you clip-watching drone. Watame and Matsuri are enough proof.

>>106154253
Something about hammering a nail that sticks out.

>>106163422
I accept your concession

>Coco
>Gura
>Rushia
>Aqua?
>Vesper
>Magni
>now Haato

How long until a psyche eval becomes standard talent screening in vTubing?

>>106166509
>They were all crazy. What a coincidence

>>106166983
I think it does take a certain type of manic to want to be 'on stage' every day.

>>106163422
nta but you're retarded

Crazy is attacking somebody with a weapon, Chama is just being bullied by a clique of catty bitches for being herself and then getting fucked over by her employer, literally bullied out of her job and unable to earn money and now all the passive aggressive oh we hope she gets better fuck those cunts

>>106162223
Haachama had a mental breakdown. Like 17 hours of stream where she was (unironically) off her meds raging about how shit her life is. She's been sent to get professional help.
The part that /vt/ will start shitposts ovewas her feelings of being left out by the other holos and passed over for events by management. Things that are factually untrue, she gets more collabs than avarage and misses events because she turns down the offer, but that's the depressionbrain pattern
>Decide everyone secretly hates you because your brain is wired wrong
>Push everyone away due to believing they hate you
>Whoops now you're lonely as fuck
>Everyone checks to make sure you're OK
>WHOOPS now you think they only care because you being upset makes them look bad, because your brain is wired wrong
This will go on forever, if you let it.

>>106167295
I don't think she was bullied.She just thinks that everyone has to be her friend when there are barely true friends in Hololive. She was correct when she said that everyone stopped being her friend when she lost views, and that's because they weren't her friends in the first place. Japan has a very work-oriented viewpoint, so everyone just wants to stream and end the day, they don't have time for friends. I do think that some members might be excluding her on purpose, but they aren't outright bullying her.

>>106167523
She helped a lot of people on the way up, they might not be close friends like her and Sara Hoshikawa or Coco/Kson but she obviously feels betrayed by a lot of two faced bitches cliquing against her and pretending she's bad crazy when she is and always has been the very best and most entertaining type of crazy

>>106167501
I watched her karaoke live and her lego stream the next day. You have no idea what you're talking about. My heart breaks for the poor girl, but what a sendoff for Haatons if that's what it was. No corpo bullshit, just her alone bedroom streaming guerilla-style with no brakes, no hesitation, full send. Until the very end. I hope she realizes how loved she is. Good luck ever getting that kind of passion and honesty ever again in Hololive. You won't.

>>106159500
>It’s true that you can sue someone for speaking the truth in Japan and win - which is why it’s easier than the US
To clarify, the difference between US and Japanese defamation is that the veracity of the statement is not considered a necessary element for defamation in Japan. That is to say that just because your statement was true, is not considered a good enough reason to throw out a defamation case like it would be in the US.

>>106168368
It's considered a part of a reason to throw it out. If the statement is both True and is Within The Public Interest I.E something the public has good reason to know about, that's good enough.
This theoretcial case wouldn't even be defamation, she admitted herself publicly she was mentally ill, any case would be wrongful termination at best and not a very strong case.

they're still saying she got bullied
actually retarded mindboken nijikeques

>>106157676
I'm not retarded. I work at Cover and I simply dont want to change jobs. Easiest money of my life. I won't let this company go down because of a stupid menhera ruining it for me and my family. I will damage control as much as I can because literally my comfy life depends on it. And there is 700 of us so I know I'm not the only one.

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>>106169706
Anon, you forget to take your meds.

This reminds me of a freshman missing the first month of school when all the cliques and friend groups form (Haachama australia arc the first few years). Not to mention Miko's "clique" is a bunch of 30 year old hags so Haachama wouldn't really fit in.

But since they were the ones who she debuted alongside and have worked with for the longest, she feels hurt and excluded when all of them go out together without inviting her. Ofc Miko has no obligation to include Haachama so slandering her makes no sense. But it makes sense why Chama feels isolated as well. It's just a very unfortunate situation.

The only person who seems like they deserve hate is the person who refused the collab because of numbers. But there's no point in speculating who it is when there's like a 100 members in the company.

>>106169783
Sorry was I too honest? Oh well I'm tired of these "fans" trying to make us all lose our jobs

>>106154253
She is crazy, her family has been traumatizing her from the start. She admits herself she's been off her meds. She needs genuine therapy

>>106154253
i guess she wont be getting da piza with da no pepeloni, the no one

>Miko collabs with half the JP sphere regularly
>muh le cleeque
so boring

>>106170535
Really we should have known she wasn't right in the head after that stream.

>>106154253
Hachaama labels herself as harry and pekora as malfoy what do you think of that. She's trying to send a message on what's going on behind the scenes no wonder management aka pekora's clique is bullying her.

Throughout the series, Malfoy is often depicted repeatedly lying, fabricating, harassing others, slandering, verbal abuse, and trapping them .

・Lies, slander, and verbal abuse:
There are many scenes in which he repeatedly insults and baseless accusations against Harry and his friends, and names and slanders them at school.

・Harassment and traps:
This can be interpreted as depictions of him mobilizing his friends to harass others, or using schemes and acts of sabotage to corner others.

・Fabrication and false claims:
There are scenes in which he distorts testimony or situations to paint others in an unfavorable light

>>106173019
>I depict myself as the uber Chad and you as the crying incel so I win

>>106173019
thank you grok

>>106167894
And yet, she's nearly a 3 view in most streams lol. Loved my ass you EOP dramatourist nigger. She's one of the most irrelevant talents in the whole company.

>>106174580
And she has no one to blame for it but herself. Despite her best efforts otherwise.

>>106173019
uh where did you come from? genuine question

>>106169005
I think getting her abusive family to put lock her in a hospital after she calls people bullies does actually make them bullies

>>106176299
There is literally nothing wrong with bullying. I defy you to tell me one single thing beyond "it hurts muh fee-fees".

Everybody is calling her crazy but nobody is saying what she said or did wrong.
Weird world.

>>106158313
>believes she's being targeted
>gets locked up and drugged
she was right.

>>106154253
I'm confused about what the thing she said about the Rushia situation meant, anybody have any ideas?

>>106160780
the 3 screenshots on black background, I've listened carefully with my bad japanese understanding and confirmed many of them to be accurate, so you can probably trust them

>>106177316
Calling her crazy allows to automatically dismiss everything she said without actually proving her wrong

>>106167894
Comcern trolling is still trolling.

>>106167523
My read is that she's "that one person" of the group that's too socially slow and out there and too much of a moodmaker, making her stick out like a sore thumb in a group, which makes people avoid her. A little bit too different, so nobody bothered to put the extra effort to genuinely connect with her or understand her, related to bystander effect. She's also a bit of isolationist herself, probably stemming from past experiences of trying to open up and getting abandoned for talking too hard stuff.
She also mentioned she got along with people better in school and university and hospital than with Holomen, except there were also some people who were more interested in her streaming hobby than her.

>>106163005
>she said she was excluded outright when she had bad numbers and then everyone came crawling back once she got more popular
A healthy human mind will understand that saying this will only backfire hard, especially as an entertainer.
She's not okay, that is all. She should remember the time that Ollie was very glad that her duo Holofest partner was her.

>>106163005
>she said she was excluded outright when she had bad numbers and then everyone came crawling back once she got more popular
And more things you've made up.

>>106178586
This is why you never let kids dive into popularity without proper parental guidance.

>>106178814
Is she the youngest Holo now?

>>106154422
You do realize that it is possible for certain parts of what she said to be true, and for others to be exaggerations at the same time, right? That's a normal part of mental breakdowns. The world feels like it's closing in on you, or everything feels against you, not because they are, but because they interpret it as such. Are the girls really excluding her, or did the girls just misinterpret her loneliness for introversion like Pekora? Because it's not like Haachama hasn't been frequently collab with everyone for years now. Don't you think the clique would also spread to the EN side as well? Biboo is the biggest EN talent right now, yet she's very close with Haachama, so what gives?

Isn’t Hololive’s strong suit supposed to be that they put more resources and support into their talents and in return the expectations are somewhat higher?

This is a bad look for Cover. Oh suddenly it’s a personal matter and Cover can’t do much about it. Oh it’s because of the antis she was crashing out unsupervised.

Hiatuses are not a good look. Yes, given how this situation has played out, Haachama taking a hiatus seems to be the only option. But it was expected that Cover had the right people and processes available to make cases like this extremely rare. A sudden severe illness or death of a loved one, sure, not much can be done, but a stream crashout into hiatus in that manner raises a lot of questions on Cover’s ability to handle things.

>>106179961
>Oh it’s because of the antis she was crashing out unsupervised.
incorrect, it was because she intentionally didnt take her meds, and she was unsupervised because it was 2am in japan.
Make up shit somewhere else retard.

>>106180041
> incorrect, it was because she intentionally didnt take her meds, and she was unsupervised because it was 2am in japan.
You know that doesn’t make Cover look any better in this situation

>>106180152
so you're saying they should have people monitoring their talents 24/7? thats so fucking black corpo I dont even know where to start. Are you saying that they need to take away her freedom to have her own private life? this isnt nijisanji.

>>106167501
>She's been sent to get professional help.
You mean she has been sent to be drugged into being a good little zombie again. She had a brief moment of clarity and was able to not take her drugs and properly evaluate her situation and feel real emotions and it caused an uncontrollable outburst, very understandable. No thinking or emotions for you take your pills and become a neut again.

>>106162247
https://files.catbox.moe/tm2bos.webm

夢見てきた世界は全部潰されました。英語力も。マイクラの建築力も。歌も、曲も、動画編集技術も。くっ、頑張って作ったんだけどなあ。無料で。無給料で。人が動画依頼するのに十万とかかかるのを、私は無給料で、無料で動画作ってるんですけど。何この世界。もー、もうやってらんねえよぉ。全部、全部は話さないとキリがないよ。何も分かってもらえないんだから。本当のこと言うしかないじゃん。ねえねえねえ。ねえねえねえ。私もさ、もう四ヶ月ぐらい、あと半年ぐらい、もう無給なんですけど。ね、無給でさ、仕事させて、そっちはお金もらって、株とか、株とか買ってる?もしかして。株たくさん買った?最初のうちに。私まだ若かったから株とか買ってなかったんだよね

"The world I dreamed of has been completely trampled upon. My English skills too. My Minecraft building skills too. My singing, my songs, my video editing skills too. Ugh and I worked so hard on them... And for free. Without pay. People pay like 100,000 yen for a video, but I'm making videos for free, without pay. What is this world? I just... I can't do this anymore. I can't possibly tell you everything. You wouldn't understand anyway. I have no choice but to tell the truth. Listen, listen, listen. I've been working unpaid for about four months, maybe half a year year or so now. Being made to work for no salary while they take the money. They're buying stocks, maybe? Did they buy a lot at the start? I was still young back then, so I didn’t buy any stock..."

>>106180311
Yeah medication is a myth, it never helped anyone in any way. All medication is bad, you tell them! Open your eyes sheep!

>>106154903
It worked well for Johnny Depp.

>>106180365
She should unironically stream in English every day and restart as an indie. She would make more than enough to get her own place in Japan. Maybe out in the country away from Tokyo

>>106180253
Hololive talents are no longer random streamers that can show up at 2am unsupervised. Think of all the risks that could arise from that as this situation has already shown. It’s not just her not taking meds, she could have been dead drunk and done some stupid shit as well.

> Are you saying that they need to take away her freedom to have her own private life? this isnt nijisanji.
No, but in her private time, she shouldn’t be able to have access to her Youtube account completely unsupervised. Hololive talents are no longer some rando streamer.

who would do this?
go on 4chan and tell lies?

>>106180605
Absolutely. She should just move to Fukuoka and enjoy the beaches

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>let me (talentless basement dweller) tell you (successful vtuber) how to run your life

>>106180311
This is woo woo talk. Next you would talk about crystals and energy.

>>106180728
Haachama clearly needs a handler (husband) to run her life. She is too menhera to function without strict guidance (daily cock) (mine)

>>106156179
I think they're often better than the originals

>>106173019
I'll bite. Who is in Pekora's clique? Why do none of the girls who regularly collab with Pekora avoid Miko like Pekora does?

>>106181189
>Who is in Pekora's clique?
Pekora.

>>106180605
She could hang out with Henya.

>>106154547
Fubuki and Suisei are opposing factions....

>>106181189
Pekora clique?
The management itself
This is the reason why A-chan quit
https://nijihorosokue.com/archives/50861
April 2022: After the office relocation (bright atmosphere, micomet on the board)
https://imgur.com/a/g32v15d
July 2022: "Is this a problem with subcontracting creators?" "Is she joining the company?" (Dark circles under her eyes, a clouded expression that has completely changed in three months, and the agency and its employees)
https://imgur.com/a/Hdi5SB9
January 2023: "The rabbit plan begins~" (The whiteboard is transformed into a bulletin board, with the micomet mark erased). The coffee stains on the cups create a particularly gloomy atmosphere (a particularly elaborate scene in the music video).
https://imgur.com/a/EmWg92c
Pekora is the culprit

>>106180612
>No, but in her private time, she shouldn’t be able to have access to her Youtube account completely unsupervised
And then she complains about how the company only impose this rule on her and not the other Holomems

>>106182353
Probably should be a rule for every Holomem. That's the trade off you accept for the perks of getting a salary, access to studio quality equipment, support staff, training etc.

>>106182753
>People : "Everybody's being imposed with the new rules because of Haachama!!"
>Harrassment increases
>People : "God the other holomems must be hating her so much!!"
>Clique bullying rrats increases
Good lord, you should STOP AND THINK before you say thing

>haachama outburst is a few minutes long in a 7 hour stream
>schizos claim it's a 7 hour long crashout
every time

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>>106157909
>You have zero evidence that fubuki bullied haachama.

>>106154422
>illegal

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>>106182922
Dumbass this rule should have been in place even before Haachama. Imagine if Suisei showed up at 2 am drunk and started mouthing off her viewers, other Holomems or some shit. That could easily kill off an important event like a scheduled album release. What's the process in place to prevent that from happening?

Cover can't be slacking off when they have an image and reputation to maintain especially if they market themselves as idol adjacent. And if they want late night streams? With the amount of money some Holomems are raking in they could easily get extra staff to supervise and proceed no problem.

>>106177316
being crazy =/= being right or wrong

one could loosely say that going off the rails and saying a bunch of shit live that easily could get you fired is itself a nuts thing to do, a real fucking crashout. but I wouldn't put it as right or wrong. and it's hard to parse how seriously or not to trust her without hearing the other side's story on things, which we won't.

cover not firing her and threatening anyone using what she said to spin rrats is their protecting their own interests but also demonstrating they're attempting to deal with her as an individual, instead of just kneejerk shoot her out of a cannon in a fury. the thing is,

personally I think it's her parents to blame more than yagoo. at least if they're the ones who forced her to go on months or half-year+ breaks numerous times and completely kneecap herself.

What is sane in Japan is crazy everywhere else imagine allowing a clique of corporate whores to bully you because standing up for yourself is frowned upon, burn it all down Chama

>>106183531
prove any of that happened

>>106183436
>Imagine if Suisei...
Don't have to, Suisei isn't mentally ill. Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?
>And if they want late night streams? With the amount of money some Holomems are raking in they could easily get extra staff to supervise and proceed no problem.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
*breathes*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
*sigh*
Anon... they couldn't even be bothered hiring extra staffs to help them with all the game perms

>>106183198
>i don’t even know if fubuki’s actually in that party
Then following by lashing out to everyone and blame everyone according to her assumption.
Also the transcript I saw said she did get invited, but didn't want to go cause they didn't truly want her there.
there are also the past records of her ghosting watame and matsuri which made matsuri went mental. The most recent one was with biboo that she just disappeared.

>>106183795
>Don't have to, Suisei isn't mentally ill.
Actual dumbass take. Suisei doesn't have to be mentally ill. She could just have a lapse of judgement due to being drunk, tired etc.

>Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?
Because it only takes one mistake in this business to get suspended, for hordes of antis to spread misinformation, termination and so on. And they wouldn't want that for their biggest members.

>Anon... they couldn't even be bothered hiring extra staffs to help them with all the game perms
No shit? Which is why I'm blaming Cover for slacking off.

>>106183908
I trust Haachama's words more than your cope.

>>106183452
Cover isn't to blame for the vast majority of her issues. On the other hand I doubt she can find right mindset to continue being in Hololive, even in the pipedream scenario where all those issues are sorted out.

>>106184082
But Haachama said she isn't even sure, lmao

Miko's stream is Cover's version of the NijiEN black stream. I hope you holofags enjoy your descent into hell. You deserve it. Fucking die.

>>106180381
Yes it is. From my aquaintances I know two cases of forced hospitalization and drugging who killed themselves soon afterwards. The one I saw acted really distant and detached, kind of like Haachama when she came back in 2023. See Dr Josef (former FDA psychiatrist). What these drugs do to you is pretty consistent. The hard stuff you get from hospitalization emotionally lobotomizes you, some of the effects are permanent. And you can be subjected to this just if a doctor feels like it or some relative makes up some bs about you (Haachama's mom, probably). Most people, even in distress are pretty normal until the first contact with psychiatry puts them into an unrecoverable spiral of further drugging. The reason why "schizos" say they are going to be captured and can't trust anyone is because it's fucking true. This shit is concentration camp level bad but people refuse to acknowledge the reality because commercial science is the dominant world religion.

>>106158463
She was rambling because she was venting out 7 years of emotional grief. What about it was contradictory though?

>>106184454
>calls out retards literally making up shit that Haachama didn't say
oh noes! black miko!

>>106184076
>Turns Hololive into police state with close to no freedom
actual black company

>>106185075
anti spotted

>>106181777
PEKO-CHAN STRONG

>>106154422
How anyone can trust anything a public company says is beyond me. We somehow still think it's 2020.

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>>106154253
>the whole character is that she's clazy
>is clazy
You guys always want authenticity from a vtuber, here you have it.

>>106184748
My best friend is unironically schizophrenic and when he was on the meds (anti-psychotics and antidepressants), he was a completely different person and he knew it as well. He never took it again because he was terrified. He figured it was better to live with the condition than be a medical zombie.

How is saying you haven't been paid for 4 months and your family is using you "crazy"? She's in her mid 20s, right? Move out. I stayed with my family too long as well, and they didn't love me. Being around people like that makes you miserable.

>>106154874
you should have seen the wikipedia drama bro

>>106185467
I really hope she survives this. She'll hold a special place in my heart as the first chuuba I fapped to.

>>106185492
Why do people assume she can 'just move out'? Her mother might be her legal guardian or whatever don't know how it works in JP. After all that shit with police involvement and prolonged psycho ward stay.

>>106185501
Wiki editor autism is something else yeah

This whole haachama situation really shows that most people have no idea how real mental illness gets expressed nor how it gets handled
>t. brother of someone who has manic and bpd episodes every time he goes off his meds because this time it's different

>>106185229
Says the guy who wants to impose 24/7 surveillance onto these girls

>>106157878
>the queen of clique is Pekora
Can you at least try to make the raats believable?

>>106185786
Most of the people here are clearly mentally ill with how they've latched on to this at all.

>>106186272
>to this
To what?
To this "nothingburger" that had to be addressed by Cover and even fuckin Miko for whatever reason.

>>106181189
>>106181777
also Pekomama

>>106183908
>Also the transcript I saw said she did get invited
Fucking wrong. She said she never gets invited to things. Not that she gets invited but doesn't go. She even says they use her being "reserved" to exclude and ignore her

>>106154253
Not enough drama for you?

>>106185786
Alright. How does that change her talking about everything that's been happening to her for the last year's then Yagoo swooping in , calling her a crazy bitch then getting her abusive family to get rid of her?

>>106186272
It's probably the JP vtubing antis who want to shit on both holo and niji at the same time. I saw a suisei out of context clip from 2020 too

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>>106186665
oh wait one of them is a flip

>>106186717
Anemachi alt acc

>>106186309
To this narrative that the thing's a mentally unwell person says are more important than helping them get into a healthier state of mind.

>>106186994
Maybe you should listen to what they say to help them get into a healthier state of mind? Crazy thought in itself, I know. Just lock'em up.

>>106186309
>Cliques and bullies double confirmed by Haachama and Rushia
>Haachama admits Rushia did nothing wrong
>Hololive does not pay their talents
>Hololive does not let people graduate when they want
>Hololive took advantage of her youth
>Hololive doesn't give equal fair treatment
>The talents bully people because of their numbers

What a nothingburger

>>106187234
I know it's cool for your generation to believe in euthanizing suicidal people but it's actually not a given to normal people that doing what people say they want in one moment is good for them when the consequences are permanent and the thought is temporary.

>>106187330
Yep, surely no person in their right mind could criticize their work environment. Especially in the promised land of Japan. Padded room and haloperidol, gotta stick to traditions.

>>106154253
Can I get a qrd on what happened exactly? I just want to understand what was said. I hope the poor girl is alright.

>>106187452
A fuckton of things was said, from "cover doesn't pay me and ruined my youth" and "other girls are forming "groups" and excluding me" to "I've heard passersby talk about killing me" and "I'm afraid to go to sleep because they'll get me".
You decide which ones are real, that's basically the contention point of current shit-flinging.

>>106187600
>cover doesn't pay me and ruined my youth" and "other girls are forming "groups" and excluding me"
These are objectively true though. Unless you think getting hired to do ASMR at 16 isn't ruining someone's youth

>>106187666
You retards can never make up your mind, are they evil for hiring her or firing her?

>>106187666
I don't think you understand what "objectively true" means.
I do think there is some truth to it though and trying to dismiss it completely as "ramblings of a mentally ill person" like the corpofans here do is equally retarded.

>>106187817
They are evil for hiring a 16 year old highschool girl and even more evil for firing her when she complains about all the shit they're doing to her

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>>106187600
>"I've heard passersby talk about killing me"

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>>106188039
They haven't even fired her, yet. The fuck are you talking about?

>>106188228
Exactly. "Yet". They are going to otherwise people will have to start being suspicious of the real reason they fired Mel

>>106188560
>people will have to start being suspicious of the real reason they fired Mel
Because?

>>106154253
Then stand left.

>>106188605
>Mel gets fired for NDA breach
>Haachama breaks NDA for hours on stream on purpose but doesn't get fired
Pretty obvious

>>106188703
>NDA breach will get you fired
>but Haachama doesn't get fired
There's your answer, no NDA was broken. Jesus, use your brain a little bit.

>>106188703
>breaks NDA
like what?

>>106188760
>no NDA was broken
Nta, but how would you know what's in their NDAs?

>>106188809
Ask >>106188703, he seems to insist that Haachama is breaking one but doesn't get fired

>>106187995
You need to stop battling phantoms in your head. If you actually break down those claims into sane and realistic versions of what they mean, they can absolutely be true but then they are no longer controversial and just normal everyday problems most people can relate to. Which is why the people who bring them up don't want that. Do you realize how many times people have tried to use the fact that Cover offers the girls an interest-free tax loophole as proof it's working against their interests? It gets tiresome after a while when people purposely misinterpet the reality of the situation.

>>106188922
>the fact that Cover offers the girls an interest-free tax loophole as proof
That's literally made up.

>>106188922
I'm not battling anything. You, on the other hand, invent those "sane and realistic versions" at your own convenience.

>>106188973
And all the girls talk about as part of a conspiracy but only you are privy to the secret knowledge?

>>106189074
Nta, but there is no "tax loophole". They could declare those expenses as work related and get a tax deduction anyway. "Interest-free" is the key part.

>>106189016
I'm sorry your brain is broken but there is 100% a nuanced conversation to have about how a teenager's life can be ruined by experiences they were not ready for at the time but no teenager believes they are not ready for it at the time and so the world has to be full of arbitrary rules where some people are barred from things they are more than ready for and other people are allowed into things they are nowhere near ready for because it turns out people are individuals but society can only realistically survive by ruling on averages.

>>106189162
What? Here are some punctuation marks for you, try using them next time:
>,,,,,,,,,,,,.............---?!?!

>>106189103
Taxes you never have to pay vs. taxes you have to try to get back are not the same. It also could artificially lower your tax bracket though the highest earners will be in the maximum tax bracket anyway.

>>106189219
【Try・learning〟English〜?

>>106189162
The fact is you don't know if she was talking about those loans or is actually not getting paid. You just decided she was, because that fits your narrative.

>>106189319
Try not to produce word vomit.

>>106157391
>You saw a woman with mental health problems get placed on leave so she can have some private time to sort herself out, and your first reaction was "oh boy, I can't wait to use her to spam anti-Cover rhetoric for hours!"
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