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>>106187476This is exactly what she needs to reflect on.She can blame her downfall on the system or whatever she wants, but the reality is that it comes from how she treated the people around her, her fans and her colleagues.She has been irresponsible and unreliable, often acting on a whim without considering others’ feelings. That’s how she lost everyone’s trust.Most Hololive viewers won’t come out and openly criticize her, but they won’t forget what she’s done either.
>>106187476I never realized it was possible to be that unpopular as a JP Holo.
>>106187476It sucks that she fell off so hard after the Taiwan yab, she has my favorite design in Holo.
>>106188271A woman being capable of introspection?, a hag maybe but one as young and fucked as chammers?, good luck with that.
>>106187476bottom right is real chama?would
>>106188271Bait
ITT: new tourists whose oshi is probably Gigi or some shit dont know what happened in the past and say retarded shit to defend the company's honor
So like any vtuber? All of them will always have their debut/graduation/big hiatus announcement and ASMR in the top viewed. MAYBE a really good concert or super huge event. But ASMRs are just too replayable and thus farm views like no other, and debuts and graduations draw in a ton of tourists.
>>106190293Gigi catching strays
>>106190293So your argument is she was popular in the before times and that all got deleted but that actually doesn't prove anything, it actually says very bad things. It's a common problem and not a sign of a healthy channel at all when all your most popular stuff is from a particular period years ago and you've been irrelevant ever since.
>>106190710The worst part is that most of her most popular content is just bait. She never seems to learn that consistency is what keeps fans around. Relying on bait only gives her short bursts of attention, and bad bait eventually drives people away once they get tired of her.And honestly, screw anyone who calls her based or nonchalant just because she pretends not to care about numbers. She clearly does, she just never learned that quality numbers built on years of solid foundation are far more valuable than the attention from her bait-fueled chaos.
>>106191778>bait>coexistTrying to play this off as meaningless shock content is like trying to say Evangelion has no deeper meaning. Was her peak, something like 50K CCV. She didn't blow it either. Cover cut that off because it didn't fit with their brand. And they have her doing what... playing musical chairs? Anon, Hololive manages her career. If they can't recognize and play to her strengths, she not only should leave, she should have done it years ago.
>>106190710Nta, but the turning point that marked her decline was the 8 month hiatus (Not even the only hiatus she took) that not only killed any kind of algorithm boost but also made people just discover other sources (Or vtubers) of entertainment. That's really the only thing I can really call her out for, the fact she's inconsistent. But desu, considering her mental issues it was bound to happen eventually, not to talk about Hololive restrictions.
>>106191897Her most popular stream on her entire channel (which you can see in the image) is literal graduation bait. And people were upset when it turned out to be a joke.
Who remembers POGGERS DADDY?
>>106192259If you're going to talk about streams, go by CCV. If you want to look at offline numbers, well, look at picrel. How much of this do you really think you can attribute to Hololive's management. Her Haachama cooking rap is closer to the kind of video you'd see from Senzawa, and Infinity is nothing but fanart from her community. Levan Polka might as well be a Flash video. You want to explain that?
>>106188271She was literally a child when she started. Sorry if a kid doesn't immediately grasp long term brand management.
>>106192499Bonus for oldfags btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCO62VNm67k
>>106190293>Gigiseethe outta nowhere
>>106191897>coexist>EvangelionI get it, you love Haachama so much
>>106187476ByeHachama
>>106192702You lose anon. Time to fuck off, good try in this thread though.
>>106192499Those are bad numbers for videos, as even the songs in that image show. That is the equivalent of shorts before shorts were a thing. So why doesn't she do shorts today?
>>106187476EOPs that are currently crawling out of the woodwork as "haatos biggest fans" but who didn't actually watch her need to understand that she was the most unpopular holoJP atm because of all the stupid dramabaiting shit she did. For example OPs pic showing her baiting graduation multiple times.She caused her own downfall.
>>106187476So her 4 most popular streams are hiatus announcements?
>holodrones already doing their best to blame haachama and doing their "she was never good" playShameless cultists.
>>106187476Realchama is quite pretty, yes.
>>106191897>she not only should leave, she should have done it years agoyes we are in agreement, time to stop leeching
>>106198980lol why would u lie on the internet like that?most ppl here have seen uggochamaits even occasionally reposted in /jp/
>>106194698There's no holofans on the catalog. You phasenigs are fighting each other and biting each other's bait.
>>106202794>says the holofan while deflecting on the catalog
>>106188271I literally forgot she had done any of that.
>>106187476What
>>106194169almost 10 million views is bad for an orisong now.
>>106187476ha chama
#SoLongGayHachaama
>>106206200NTA, but the other guy was talking about her cooking raps which only got ~1.5M over 4-5 years. That anon likely was replying to that and not her normal songs
>>106187476Many Hololive talents get their highest numbers in their first 2 years. Most of the EN branch is highly front loaded, especially with Myth, when early on they could get millions of views on a random song. They can't get those numbers in 2025 even with original songs but Myth still had the most viewers for an EN gen anniversary. The situation with Haachama is fairly common for most talents. With the exception of talents that are heavily botted for corporate reasons it's natural to have a decline after several years.
>pander to EOPs >they dump your ass when more EN tubers come out
>>106211052I've never seen anyone capable of retaining 2 different audiences so this is expected.
>>106188271Bait (as this thread)
>>106207510Holodrones need to suffer
>>106211052Not even what happened to her. She was one of the most popular holos until the Taiwan shitshow. Afterwards she was never able to recover. But she was still popular and would stream in English and Japanese.But then she basically got kicked out of the EN circle because they didn't want her to "cannibalize" EN views, and she was kicked off the EN minecraft server. After that her English speaking on stream decreased. Then she started going really crazy with her actual schizo arc which was a giant cry for attention in retrospect. That tanked her remaining fanbase.
>>106192725Anon, Evangelion still has lots of fans unlike Haachama
>>106211052this. same shit happened to kson
>>106212964That's the difference when your artistic vision is valued and developed instead of buried.
>>106187476What happened with Chama?
>>106213742Clashed with Cover Corp, said the walled garden isn't that pretty from the inside, said that the industry has an exploitative side to it. It's going about pretty much how you'd expect
>>106213981I recalled that someone in the /jp/ vtuber contract said that she was ready to become indie and stay with kson but someone inside cover made her reconsider.
>>106211052>Don't pander to EOPs>They save you anyway because they like you(Aki, Towa)>They abandon you once the japs are in full forceThe winning move is to not pander to anyone.
If this had been anyone BUT a Hololive girl the backlash would have been immense.Instead its just "everything's fine, nothing to see here, move along."
>>106215427Holodrones are the best at licking the boot. No surprise there. Just call her crazy like Rushia and move on
>>106214146I'm not sure what your post is supposed to mean. If you're talking about back when kson left cover, she herself convinced others to stay and not to follow her steps. She continued to tell them the same after she left as well.
>>106213360Are you implying she has any sort of artistic vision?
>>106215484Compare them to Nintendo bootlickers, that might really wind them up.
>>106215427>please get mad at cover, I'm begging you
>>106215739Thanks for proving my point bud.
>>106190293what did Gigi do to you man?
>>106214146it’s KSON that convinced her to stay
>>106215605No, I guess Yagoo's team wrote this for her and held her hand so she could broadcast it from Australia.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjjscSWLi0>actually watching a stream>AIIIIIIEEEEEE THE HORROR>save me, chatGPT transcript
>>106215427>If this had been anyone BUT a Hololive girl the backlash would have been immense.There is backlash but after 8 graduations it's getting harder to act shocked when Cover does something greedy or incompetent. Even with the damage control from bootlickers there are many EN fans that are now deeply cynical. Those fans might watch Hololive but they will stop buying merch which is already an issue given the current economy.
>>106213742Went off meds and barely slept for days, had a trauma dump stream where she spent hours going over her entire life story and how she's been emotionally, physically and even medically abused her whole life by her family, who wish she'd never been born and sent her to foreign countries to be neglected even more until Hololive took off and they started mooching off her and forcing her to pay all their bills.In those hours she spent a couple of minutes regretting that she's never been able to get close to other Holomem, feeling excluded and unable to go to them for help because she's been alone all her life. The same frustration about rules getting in the way of what she wants to do (she released a song cover on X because the MV wasn't allowed on YouTube because it showed other people and a Coke logo), and how others can have 2 solo lives while she was told she's not popular enough to have one.99.9% family drama, 0.1% Cover drama. Guess what all the sisters, phasetroons and dramafags are fixating on.
>>106217313It was mostly her shitting on Cover for stealing her youth and taking advantage of her when she was a child. They also haven't paid her in half a year. But this Holodrone likes to pretend otherwise
>>106217313>There is nothing wrong with Hololive
>>106217313 (me)Notably. Cover saw all the rrats people were throwing around, saw all the antis sperging out in other streams, went through what Haachama said, and deliberately stated that she was being taken out of context and they're not holding that stream against her.>>106217404>MostlyYeah maybe most of what you have been licking up off the floor of VT. Tell me about her mother and the apple? Tell me what her father said to her on her last trip? You can't, because you're an EOP that doesn't know. THAT was most of the stream.
>>106217590>what Haachama said, and deliberately stated that she was being taken out of context and they're not holding that stream against her.THERE IS NOTHING HAPPENING HERE.PLEASE DISPERSEEVERYTHING IS FINE
>>106217590Yeah, her parents sound pretty abusive. It's a good thing Yagoo contacted her parents to take care of Haachama by throwing her into a mental hospital which she said she hated
>>106217671Oh there's a lot going, just not what you drama-starved faggots wish was going on. They're so invested in their own-fanfic they're ignoring the actual source in desperation now.>>106217761That part is genuinely rough, but more likely what she needs. She was actually delusional in that stream, scared to sleep and thinking randoms in the street were planning to murder her. That's psychosis, it won't go away by leaving her to implode on her own. Another thing dramafags ignore because it weakens the complaints about Cover she did make.She needs help.
>>106218085>I bet you don't even care about her abusive parents!>Anyways, it's a good thing Yagoo got her abusive parents on the line to abuse her even moreLMAO. Haachama was not behaving in a way that makes her sound crazy at any point in the stream, Holodrone.
>>106217313This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about.Niji, phase, vspo, fuck pull any corpo name out of a hat, big or small, and if any of their girls had done what Haachama did, the shitstorm would astronomical, it would have made the Taiwan shit look like nothing, the Selen shit look like a quiet day, this board would be unusuable for weeks, it would have made international news, dramafags would have been on it like flies on shit.Instead, after the streams end its all "SHUT UP, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, NOTHING HAPPENED", then Cover comes out with a statement, EVERYTHING IS FINE, WE'VE TAKEN HAACHAMA TO GET HELP, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT ALREADY.And you "people" just eat it up, well they SAID everything its fine, move along fellas.Let's keep in mind that Haachama was in high school when she signed on, god knows what kind of contract she got herself into.Just admit it, you don't care about her, you care about anything that makes Hololive look bad. Same way you've had a string of graduations all citing management issues but it was obviously the girl's fault for having the audacity of leaving the walled garden.Just disgusting sycophantic behavior.
>>106218352The phasetroon that can't understand what she said, that wasn't watching live and only knows what schizos have passed around here thinks they know what really happened.Her streams and tweets over the last few days hadn't been right. But her Harry Potter streams weren't discussed in drama threads here, so you clearly don't know what happened in them.>>106218476I'm not admitting to shit, because you're sucking fanfics out of your own ass out of impotent rage at being brown and knowing the girls you like will never achieve what Holo does. Loser behaviour. Stay mad.
>>106219155Life in the walled garden.>corporate PR :>"everything's fine"
>>106219155>She's insane. It's a good thing her abusive parents are abusing herYou still haven't actually responded to that. You complained about no one focusing on her abusive parents. But Yagoo is the one who called them to throw her in a mental hospital with a bunch of psychopaths
>>106219343I have actually, try reading instead of sniffing dung from the cows outside your hut.
>>106219398So you think it's a good thing that Yagoo called her, by your own admission, abusive parents to throw her into a screwed up mental hospital which she complained about on stream because you think she's crazy?
>>106219491Not what I said, try again.
>>106219578>That part is genuinely rough, but more likely what she needsWhat she needs is to get abused more? LOL
The poor attempts at bait are amusing to read in a Tom and Jerry way, with Tom always failing to achieve its goal.
>>106219655>she needs is to get abused moreThis but unironically and sincerely.
>>106219766Did you not watch the show? Tom won a lot of times
>>106219779I volunteer.
>>106219779>she needs to get abused more, unironically and sincerely>I'm afraid people are going to try and hurt meWell. You certainly proved how irrational her paranoia is.
>>106219828I only watched the classic version and only remember him winning a handful of times at best. I dunno if that changed with the newer, shitty version(s)
>>106189517Nah, realchama is flat as a board(Would, regardless)
>>106220514>FlatSex
I miss her lewd ASMR
>>106188271>>106189108>>106190293>>106191778>>106191897>tranny hands typed this
>>106223066We don't narrate our posts here.
>>106217404>>106218085Not getting paid in half a year from Cover would mean she never earned back enough to pay back, what I would guess, is things like her music videos released this year, and there is a fair number of song covers put out this year. Plus the 3D live.Unfortunately, they also kinda had to contact her family/guardians because it's not like Cover can do anything on their own in regards to getting her that kind of mental help if she's at the point of needing to go back to a mental hospital.
>>106192514>She was literally a child when she startedSo were Matsuri and shion
>>106223847Was Matsuri actually 16 when she was let in?
>>106223847>shionYeah, about that
>>106224324Based on what her PL have said, she should have been 19 at debut.
>>106225897Ok. Matsuri being a highschooler would have been really bad with the kind of things she says
>>106219340Gura won btw
>>106215427Every ex Holo that has spoken bad about Hololive is just crazy. Simple
>>106228456>JK talking lewd is le badgay AF
>>106230548funnily enough, no ex-holo has spoken bad about hololive so farAlso, there seems to be a lot of new haaton here and on twitters as well. It’s would be great if they actually watch her.
>>106230685>no ex-holo has spoken bad about hololive so farlol. lmao
>>106210734You are kinda right. No one is touching ochame kinou, but half of the top songs by holoen are advent covers/original, then you have holotori, BD, and justice debut. At least song wise, the peak was not back then.
>>106187476I ain't reading all this, that's normal
>>106188271Kill yourself
>>106223747She didn't need to go back to the mental hospital is the point. She spoke coherently and lucidly. Getting someone's abusive parents to throw her in a mental asylum because they spilled internal secrets is evil
>>106188406Vast majority of HoloJP are 4views anyway. Only like 5 HoloJPs could be classified as consistent 5views.
>>106188406>>106233035This are both tied to her point. There's a ton of young girls coming into the company and only so much opportunity to go around. And at the end of your career you'll be left with what, exactly. Meanwhile, if that opportunity is affected by managerial favoritism and the social politics of talent with influence in the company... well she doesn't sound very crazy or selfish now, does she. Understanding this reality would probably convince a lot of their talent they're better off elsewhere if they can't get something back from the company internally. Getting criticized for numbers when the game feels rigged against you, not getting paid regularly above that (!), it sends a message of being deliberately squeezed out the door while they won't even have the integrity to be straight with you about their responsibility for putting you in that position. It would make me want to drive a truck bomb into the building. Who's been there longer than Gen 1? Sora and Roboco. Holo wants to portray themselves as above the idol industry, "respect for talent" was supposedly the essence of the company as described by their VP. So... where's the respect?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtB95rneCso
>>106187476This isn't the own you think it is, check most any Holo channel and most of their top 6 is 2-3 years ago or older.
>>106187476hmm
>>106233998I don't think that's the point, it's about a bait content is the most popular one, well that's the problem with Haachama she only got gimmicks, tbf she had multiple hiatuses
>>106233733She doesn't sound crazy to anyone who actually watched the full stream. That was just an excuse to shut her up
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