no, but it'll make en4 look amazing comparatively

>>106591334
Remember like a year ago when Cover's market cap was greater than Anycolor's? Those were good times

/biz/ is down the hallway, sir

>>106591426
The funniest shit about this is that not only were the auditions real, but the winners got MAJOR popularity boosts after the collapse.

Did the news of them recruiting actually drop the price?

>>106591716
no, it's the bad financial report yesterday

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>>106591845
>Bad
Also the fucking catalog already has 5 of these stock thread

>>106591716
No the financial report yesterday was a disaster. They fell short of almost every revenue and profit projection they made. And even worse profit is actually down year on year. They're making less money this year than last year. They did try to blame a lot of it on EN though giving the excuse that tariffs led to reduced merch sales, but really it's obvious that the loss of a bunch of the most popular EN talents through graduations has led to lower sales.

>>106591334
HoloEN needs to find another to become the face of Hololive outside of Japan. That attracts normies (outsiders) instead of cannibalizing their shrinking niche Holobase. It is Hololive that is now looking for a Gura killer.

>>106591860
For the company itself or from an average fan point of view it's not really that bad. It's not like the company is collapsing or anything. From an investor point of view though bad would definitely be the right word. Even though revenue increased year on year they were expecting a greater increase due to forecasts from Cover and the profits falling year on year is even worse.

>>106591845
>>106591878
So that's why they're hiring for EN5. Gotta mitigate the damage

>>106592111
I thought Cover went public to please investors? At least that's what fags here and on Twitter tell me, why don't they do anything to help the stock price if that's the case?

>>106591878
>Niji keeps treating its talents like chattel slaves
>Vshojo is dead
>Phase is irrelevant
>Indie Avengers DOA because Saba and Nimi had a catfight, Nimi cucked her fans and Saba and Dooby have terminal no delivery
>HoloEN has never been stronger
Hololive wins again

>>106592171
Fucking read up on how different types of business get startup money.
Cover got startup money from private investors. One of the stipulations for getting said money was that they'd have to go public if they met the criteria to do so. Those investors cashed out for a big fat profit after the IPO.
The current stockholders have 0 say over operations. Yagoo holds a controlling share and cover has enough revenue to cover expenses and even reinvest it into the company. They don't have to issue new stock or raise money so the stock price is irrelevant to them.

>>106592222
>Yagoo holds a controlling share
>30% and shrinking

>>106592257
I just googled it and insiders own more than 50% no idea where the fuck you're getting your numbers from.

>>106592313
Don't try to be smart-ass with me. You said YAGOO, not YAGOO and his bitchboys.

>>106592257
>Sora buying up all the shares

>>106592186
The 3rd point pretty much exposes you as a terminal catalog nigger that doesn't watch anything from Holos or ex-Holos.

>>106592222
Yagoo does not have a controlling share?
https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/d89dcdf8/03b0/43c8/a7a0/882303366786/20250604102141405s.pdf
As per page 20 Yagoo has 31.74% of outstanding shares. So there's nothing stopping other investors removing him as CEO of enough of them agree.

Anycolor can do a really funny thing right now with their still-unused M&A budget.

no
en sucks

>>106592693
>He thinks Phase is relevant outside the twitter tranny drama sphere
Oh no no no no

Stopped watching after Shiori

EN5 will be all AI. Screenshot this parrot.

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it this real anon?

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>>106591860
that means nothing, especially considering inflation, show net profit, cover's net profit margin was already pretty low, if it got even lower then that'd make investors flee for sure

>>106593328
The made a net profit of 1999 million yen on revenue of 21,754. So about 10% net profit don't think that's the worst they've ever done. But for the quarter net profit is down year on year 5.7% so that's not looking too hot for investors for sure. The revenue figure itself was below their forecast too of 22,750.

>>106592693
>thinking phase is relevant outside this shithole pretty much exposes you as a terminal catalog chud that doesn't watch anything other than shitposts.

>>106591334
>no SINGLE member of advent has gotten over 1m
>all members of justice still hasn't cleared 500k
>thinks another gen in the grinder will change things

>>106591334
not going to fix the issue of talents not streaming for lengthy periods at a time repeatedly. we've been through this multiple times now. the first 4-5 months, banger, streams nearly every day things feeling fresh and then the trip to japan happens and streams drop off the planet and never recover even for the ones who live there.

Did Haato exposing Cover as a black company drop the price?

>>106595220
investors don't care about your rrats, read financial report then ask again

>>106594987
>justice subs ~500k
from what I'vd seen they generate above average income. Not quite enough to replace thd big earners who left, but enough to warrant another gen?

>>106595271
Im pretty sure investors would care if a suicidal employee came out and said she wasn't getting paid, getting bullied, and being prevented from resigning. Of course Haachama was off her meds, but its still gonna make wave.

>>106591426
DEV_IS IS GEN 7, RETARDO

>>106591426
Buried in the sand below: ID Gen4

No the existing audience will just get spread thinner but I guess it's worth the chance somebody might blow up

>>106593272
>>106593256
If you think that's bad don't compare Anycolor and Cover stocks rn.

>>106591334
No. Hololive has burned through mountains of investor money to make the World aware of its jpslop. The World has responded with "We don't car". More jpslop isn't going to change that.

>>106591334
Hololive needs a new gen because their streamers are all extremely weak, so they should stop hiring shitters in the first place, if they keep hiring ugly voice unfunny bitches they will fall eventually.

>>106592881
>>106593865
I meant the 4th one lol, mb. I didn't even notice Phase on that list.

>>106595313
how is that any different from an investor's point of view than every other corp in their portfolio?
investors only care about money

>>106591878
Gura Gawr merch sell losses will be hard to recover from. Sure she never streamed but her just being there as a mascot was a money maker.

>>106595313
Then why haven't they jumped ship from Nijisanji?
You know, the company where they terminated a suicidal employee, were exposed as fucking over their Indonesian employees out of their wages and have a huge bullying problem.

>>106591878
Holy grim...

>>106595220
Yes

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>>106591334
No, the vtubing hype craze is over. Every niche has been filled and the market is oversaturated. Worse yet, EN are majorly E-whores and are incapable of giving the kayfabe that potential viewers want. Only sisters and simps want more slop, which is evident by the ammount of seething this post will generate.

>>106597367
Because all that happened to non-japs, so their investors don't care

Only growth left for EN is on twitch like it or not so it depends how well they'll do there

>>106591334
Just like in the JP branch, EN5 will save Hololive initially, but then something will happen that will cause shit to hit the fan

>>106597367
>suicidal
If you try to kill yourself twice and still fail you're not suicidal, you're a woman.
>exposed as fucking over their Indonesian employees
What's this again? The retards who didn't pay their taxes and blamed the company?
>Have a huge bullying problem
They have a huge problem with people leaving and shitting on the rest of them for attention at least. The latest addition to their bullying victims was a member of their most successful group and participant in the hated black stream. Wouldn't be surprised to see Milord himself, Elira and Enna join him as victims if they decide to leave.
And finally all this is gaijinshit which doesn't actually matter in the big picture, neither for Hololive (despite HoloENkeks trying to convince themselves otherwise) nor Nijisanji. At least Anycolor reveals the numbers though. Really makes you wonder how poorly HoloEN must be doing.

>>106595220
>Did Haato exposing Cover as a black company drop the price?
After the recent wave of graduations, of course, another disgruntled employee will cause worry.
What set Hololive apart from Nijisanji was their superior talent retention, which can no longer be claimed. Also weakens the focus on IP for revenue, since it can disappear overnight.

>>106591878
>>106591334
I swear there is nothing more retarded on this site than clueless shitters treating the stock market like "they are winning" or "they are losing"

>>106597906
>Only growth left for EN is on twitch like it or not so it depends how well they'll do there
Little too late.
Twitch isn't untapped territory, when it's dominated with ex-VShojo, Mythic, many indies, etc.
Hololive would have done great there if they still had the American girl powerhouses. Just think if Hololive let Gura do reaction content on there, attracting more normies. They still need to find someone who attracts outside of the Holobox. Collabs need to have good chemistry, like SNOT. Hope that these upcoming collab groups don't scuff it. First impressions mean everything.

>>106599834
They don't need anything. Tainting hololive with twitchfag frogspamming shitters will only cause fans who actually spend money to leave.
Hololive has their well sized idol niche and they should stick to it. Appealing to everyone just ruins your product, it always does.

>>106599834
Gigi can capture twitch audience

>>106599896
You do know Cover is a public company, right? If Yagoo rejects them streaming on Twitch as well, he could just get fired by the board and replaced by someone that will. Be honest, them streaming on Twitch is almost guaranteed to add additional income, which the shareholders then demand them to pursue

>>106591860
13% YoY is pretty low compared to last year, it showed sign of reaching their limit, they also failed to archive their own 1H forecast

>>106600293
>archive
The state of monkeys

>>106595220
it did some wake up call for the jap fanbase, some of them jumped ship to indie GFE, some became anti, but it really makes the fanbase's internal conflict mroe intense

>>106600293
I think really what it highlights is the inherent fragility of a company like Cover and their model of vtubing where they are investing more in a lower number of talents. That's all fine and good until those people leave. And when you lose a number of popular members in quick succession it really becomes a problem. That will result in what we see here a significant negative impact on their financial outcomes. If you compare that to Anycolor as a company, they are built to be more resilient to this kind of problem by having the revenue spread out over a greater number of talents. It's not as if Cover can't recover from it though, as long as they can debut new members and build them up some fanbases to get back to where they were. It's no coincidence they have just announced new auditions for HoloEN now.

Honestly I think this is the end of HoloEN, they lost fucking what 4 members in the past year. Sure JP has been losing members too, but EN has way less members in comparison. Add onto how EN lost Gura especially, there is nobody to take her place as the top dog. Sure Mori is kind of the face of EN, at least in terms of singing, but for streaming its probably Biboo but she's not even halfway as popular as Gura was. Advent/Justice have also obviously not been doing well overall, so EN 5 is probably the last ditch effort to find someone that can be a top dog again. If they end up as essentially Justice lite or whatever, then there is not gonna be any hope for EN anymore. I also think that this means that there are even more graduations coming for EN next year, probably 2 members will leave I predict.

>>106591334
just have fubuki say the bullshit "as long as I'm here..." to boost investor confidence

>>106591334
no, they're cooked. HoloEN will never regain its former glory, each gen just does worse and worse and worse. they're a bunch of WHO's (and Mori) at this point. She's the only one with any name recognition left

>>106601793
FWMC, Biboo, GG prove you wrong

>>106601881
rumao, no one has any fucking clue who Biboo or GG are except on this board. FWMC you may have a point, they've entered the general population consciousness a little

>>106598158
Nijiseethe.

>>106598158
basd and true. attention whores get no pity from me

>>106600042
how is streaming on twitch making them any more money? almost zero people will watch dual streams. you either watch one or the other, there's no net gain

>>106602644
It's still the biggest western streaming platform? Lot of people don't even think to go watch streams on youtube there's still untapped audience

>>106602644
It's about exposure to a whole new audience that doesn't currently watch, not getting more money out of existing fans. There's a whole load of twitchfags who never watch streams on youtube currently who will get hololive vtubers put in front of them for the first time.

>>106602845
>>106602734
I refuse to believe there's a sizeable audience that would be interested in hololive that doesnt already know about them. Twitch is inferior in every way, people go there as a last resort

>>106602969
It's not that different you just get all your opinions from console war echochamber

>>106602969
I'm not saying I think it will be successful in attracting a new audience necessarily, just that its obvious what the intention of going to twitch is and why they are attempting it. Also I don't think your categories make sense, you can easily imagine people that fall outside that. For example someone who knows about Hololive in some surface level kind of way, they have seen tweets about it or whatever, but never bothered to actually check out streams before, they are on twitch bored looking for something to watch because their usual go to isn't on, see a Hololive stream at the top of the category they are looking at, decide to give it a try because its that thing they saw before and end up enjoying it. They would never go to youtube and search out a hololive stream but because its infront of them they end up watching and becoming a fan.

>>106592186
Saba streams multiple times per week now you dumb catalogbrained sack of shit

>>106604050
>For example someone who knows about Hololive in some surface level kind of way, they have seen tweets about it or whatever, but never bothered to actually check out streams before, they are on twitch bored looking for something to watch because their usual go to isn't on, see a Hololive stream at the top of the category they are looking at, decide to give it a try because its that thing they saw before and end up enjoying it.
those people is already watching vshoujo and its adjective, the only one who never watch vtuber on twitch at this point is normalfags who hate anime streamer, you have a point if there's no big vtuber on twitch but it isn't the case here

>>106597940
Don't give the fans the Mano Aloe incident. You know that they're still scarred to this day.

>>106604050
yeah that's probably their intention, but it won't make any sizeable difference. the twitch crowd expects nonstop raunchy shenanigans, they're not going to get that with hololive. plus you're alienating youtube diehards who dont even have a twitch account and dont want to sit through 5 minute ads

>>106602969
>I refuse to believe there's a sizeable audience that would be interested in hololive that doesnt already know about them
Are you retarded?
They are still fucking tiny as far as the west goes.
There's individual youtubers who could buy Cover as a whole.

Any market left for EN5 to recapture will be niche as fuck. The numberfags will make you retards regret ever begging for a new gen in this oversaturated market.

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Seems like this board has become /pol/ tier retardation and doesn't know a shit about financial reports. The report was neither bad or good, and that just makes a correction in the market, more than the image of cover being bad or not, it just like, people are leaving v-tubing because the huge Big Bang of Covid died in 2022 after everyone went to work, and 3 years after economic struggles, Gen Z being in shambles with no work thanks to AI, and cuts in many huge companies made people to really put the serious_hat.png and decided to get back to work to preserve their workplaces.
>b-but niji stocks
Bro, Niji Stocks are just like Big Tech Corpo stocks market prices cap, a balloon of air with not assets to cover the speculation, and one of the big risk that even jew economic wizardz like Fitch or JP Morgan already are ringing the bells about a new dot com bubble, but this time with GDP deeply tied to the US Economy.

The fact is that v-tuber already reach their roof, you can't grower bigger than either Niji or Holo does without going full jewish, something that Riku realized and hence he doesn't give a fuck about their talents and just cut cost and externalize HR services to some 3rd SEA company to evade JP taxes and laws. Cover doing it on the old fashion way, while good for the PR faggots, it doesn't make Proofts increase, actually it makes cost grow.

BUT i will say that at least Cover is diversifying to either ID or EN is still a good choice, there's a huge risk of a new JP bubble explode inside JP Bond markets and the new FM seems like a fucking retard so having assets outside JP IS smart, Niji just blew that option away so good luck to Riku to deal with the next Bond Market Crash.

Again, i know /vt/ lost all their good users since their either got tired of v-tubers, or decided to just watch talents and don't care about the discusion, but the fact nobody is talking about how much v-tubing has become irrelevant during 2025 except for fucking drama speak volumes on how the momentum died 2 years ago, and no, Gura or Kuzuha won't save this market.

I myself leave this place and v-tubing because i met friends and start dating, keep talking about this shit is just unimportant as fuck, but i don't regret wasting money on it, but also, it's truly time to re-think how v-tubing works, because is not just v-tubing, it's also streaming too

good luck motherfuckers, i hope you got physical gold lmao

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>>106610836
>Again, i know /vt/ lost all their good users since their either got tired of v-tubers, or decided to just watch talents and don't care about the discusion, but the fact nobody is talking about how much v-tubing has become irrelevant during 2025 except for fucking drama speak volumes on how the momentum died 2 years ago, and no, Gura or Kuzuha won't save this market.
Probably for the best for it to go back to grassroots stuff.
The chuubas I like are doing fine and growing healthily, so I'm not all that worried about "market stagnation" or anything.

As for Cover, it's clear there is a massive market that they aren't capitalizing on that they could be tapping into. Twitch is definitely a good start, but the biggest problem is that nobody knows nor cares about Cover outside of Japan right now. Sure, they've got a big box of viewers, but that can only last so long without actually working with western creators to spread awareness.

Hell, look at Dokibird for a clear example of a vtuber who's spreading awareness and seeding the waters for acceptance through several video game and streaming communities, but also has a significant overlap with holo in terms of viewership.
Fun fact about Doki right now: Apparently sections of the marvel community check her schedules specifically to find out when new Rivals updates drop because she's the only sponsored streamer who actually puts out schedules in advance.

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>>106591878
>profit
Oh no
Anyway

>>106591334
No, but shuttering holoearth might.

>>106611231
That's when jewing around with the barriers of the culture of v-tubing corpo can work but create a "COVER IS NOT LIKE BEFORE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" situation. No wonder EN is exploring twitch, heck even Kiara going to Eurovision is a good idea to spread the name of Holo to other markets but let us be honest here, there's a limit, even Dokibird while maintaining success and wishing her the best, she's also getting into that frontier. And frontier is where a v-tuber and a normal streamer lies.

But v-tuber fans are too purist and care too much about muh fucking kayfay that limits v-tubing itself to be something outside of a niche of streaming, so at the end it's either v-tubing choosing to keep being alive with a dwindling niche that just get bored of the characters, the drama, the toxic discussion or just realize there's better things to do, or just the market with a ever decrease of cost of the tools to create your own avatar already create a point where everyone can be a v-tuber with higher quality than just shitty 3D models.

That just makes future corpo models to be more unique, having more things, more 3D and expanding is extremely costly so its even further risky to even release new gens without knowing if there's going to be profits in a year.

Tick Tock /vt/ you will be the next /mlp/

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>>106610836
>Riku realized and hence he doesn't give a fuck about their talents
>Meanwhile, nearly every member since VTA who has 3D has performed in a real concert.
>There have been 18 concerts this year, with 2 more to come soon.
Write a lot but in the end just a shitposter

>>106592111
>From an investor point of view though bad would definitely be the right word
No? Short to medium term investors yes since they're chasing quick profits, but long term investors are happy because the price dropped a ton while the underlying fundamentals remained incredibly positive. If anything they're buying since the price dropped. Yagoo directly stated he doesn't see the stock improving consistently until around 2030 because he won't make those kinds of moves until then, instead he spends more and more of the money they make on reinvesting into the company and growing it.

>>106604686
and?

>>106611835
Concerts are printing money.
They’re putting on as many as they can.
Yeah, they really care about the talents, bro.

>>106611984
Pretty dumb ass post
Must be a falseflag fag, can't be this dumb

>>106611835
So? That is just JP market, Niji can't expand further, and the JP market has a limit too, fucking retard lmao never speak about finances or markets ever again. When JP markets crash again (They will be in mid to late 2026 with their retarded PM), Riku will have nothing to sell that a bunch of IP that nobody will care. Also cap market with bonds with a economy extremely dependent of those bonds what could possible go wrong.

Seriously, /vt/ was low, now is Africa-tier.

>>106612069
>Niji can't expand further, and the JP market has a limit too
The EN market has limitations, unlike the JP market. Every factor that influences the stock purely depends on the JP branch of both companies. The EN branch has no impact. Hololive is so cautious that they don’t even disclose EN details in their financial reports. Anyone who believes that English VTubers have any meaningful value to the stock in this industry is a fucking RETARD

>>106612024
You’re so smart to think Riku did that out of the pure kindness of his heart.
Remember when not an idol was in their presentation?

>>106612186
Yes they are not idol, no one calls them idol, retard, only holofags love to call EVERY SINGLE OF THEIR CHUBAAS IDOL SHIT

>>106612210
>Not an idol
>Having 18 concerts in a single year

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>>106612149
You have no idea what you're talking about, but it's fun to watch you cope.

>>106612274
>retard think only idol can have concert
Wtf? Is this the level of intelligence and IQ of the average Holofag on this board??????

>>106612149
Retarded faggot the reason you expand to the outside is because you diversify assets so when you get during a low period of either sales or growing cost, the other place do the job of net the losses. There is a reason why Niji ID died and Holo ID lives, there's a reason why Niji EN collapsed but lives because it still generates some marginal profits but Holo EN is still alive with a new gen coming.

You're the exact reason why v-tubing will always be a niche and die like ever existed or be absorbed into IRL streamers sub-genre, because you're thinking this a as culture faggotry instead of a business man trying to make money. You want proof? Check Anycolor debt in ST and LT, those concert cost money, and not everyone is a huge success, the fact they're spamming it is something to concert if it's to keep alive the illusion of PR but is just pure cost.

>>106612313
He's full into a fictional culture war, imagine wasting their time like that or probably doing ragebaits, probably he give up in having a normal life lmao

>>106612327

Talk a lot meaning shit. Your corpo dying, anycolor stock skyrocketing, ez

>>106612323
>Can’t even tell the difference between an idol and an artist.
You really believe everything they say, huh?

>>106612410
If you read my post, which you didn't, i said both will be killed, since it's v-tubing in general what is falling apart, nobody will give a single dollar to a idol v-tuber company like cover or niji in the next global financial crisis.

>>106611314
>Profit = Revenue
Please don't post about financial matters ever again. You are fucking embarrassing holy shit kek.

>>106612492
>global financial crisis.
Lol maybe 2 more weeks

>>106612574
>>Profit = Revenue
Oh my god you are retarded lmao

>>106612607
next year actually, jewish finance lords are already telling to shareholders to sell tech stocks since they're literally nothing but speculation with zero assets to hold into, and that is full of subprime packages again.

>>106612669
>Post a table of revenues
>"THEY LOST PROFITS"
Negative IQ

>>106591878
>>106592096
>>106592111
>>106592171
>>106592222
>seanumbermonkey got into the hobby only to obsess over the profit of corpo ojisans
Just nuke this shithole

>>106592693
>And the mask falls off
phasepags making it too easy

>>106612327
>Most of the concerts are sold out
>"IT'S A BAD THING"
>"it's "pure cost" no revenue whatsoever trust me they didn't earn a single yen please belib"

>>106612893
NTA but I'm assuming he meant the fourth, considering that point is so hilariously wrong and also involves said ex-holos

Biz and number monkey bullshit should have been culled day 1

>>106610470
no shit? that has nothing do with anything. I'm saying people who watch idol youtubers already are well aware of hololive, and watch them if they want. They wont magically find out about them if they're on twitch

>>106613181
Anon...
Do you understand what advertising is?

>>106591334
Nijisanji: Hololive Branch
Coming Soon

>>106592186
>HoloEN has never been stronger
holo en had a 30k ccv floor at one point

>>106612069
only EN market is dying, the JP market is reaching the new height with anycolor sale and profit breaking record, contrary to your faggot's belief, EN market is fucking tiny, the biggest EN corpo Vshoujo's revenue for the entire year can't even reach the 1/5 of nijiJP's sale in a quarter, more than half of "EN" listerner are dirt poor SEAnig and latinx nignog, the only thing they can contribute is fucking free subs and views, western streaming market may be big but shit like anime streamers are fucking niche of niche, it has no room to grow after the peak of chink flu.
only in japan, this anime streamer shit can be mainstream and have a market for it

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>>106591334
>Holo dying
Based

>>106613583
Enjoyed watching Gura overlap the debuts, because it showed how high HoloEN's floor can go. Was it 75k+? Including Fauna. They both drew in fans outside the box. The type of talents that hurt the most when losing.
New debuts that don't attract outsiders will just cannibalize the box, causing resentment when they take from each other, as shown with NijiEN.

>>106613583
The amongus collab had a 50k box

>>106613585
Is this how you cope with NijiEN being dead?

>>106618627
I'm not that guy, but honestly I don't really buy into the whole idea that vtubing has reach some peak and its all downhill from here yet. Hololive had one, a single disappointing quarter, following them losing a ton of big talents in a company that puts a lot of their eggs into a small number of talents, thats not the end of the world by any means. Anycolor has had disappointing quarters in the past too that caused the stock to drop. If Cover continues to post disappointing quarters going forward and Anycolor starts to look shaky too then you may have an argument. But if Cover bounces back and Anycolor keeps going from strength to strength financially like it has been then theres not really any good evidence for a decline.

>>106602644
Stealing prime subs. (for as long as Bezos lets that happen) That's it really. Idiots will say something about brand awareness or advertising, but Holo's big enough that it's a marginal effect. (especially if you're already on youtube and have better algorithmic discovery)

That said, there's a lot of prime subs to steal...

>>106591334
>Thinking shareholders should matter
Honestly if Hololive's stock climbed Skyhigh then that's when I'd know Hololive was doomed because they're planning a pump and dump

>>106619947
I mean they do matter regardless of liking it or not. Yagoo only has a 31% holding of the company. So if the shareholders are disgruntled enough it's not impossible for them to remove him as CEO and put in someone who will do their bidding instead.

Do you guys really think Yagoo only has as much power as the 31% of shares he owns?
Just like how Holomems have more influence over the company than their official positions suggest, Yagoo’s influence goes far beyond his shares.

And how can you be so sure that if the shareholders kicked Yagoo out and replaced him with someone new, the VTubers under Hololive would all just stay and go along with it?
Of course, not everyone would quit—but don’t you think that kind of situation would make things far worse than they are now?

>>106595220
I think the graduations have made people more cautious when it comes to buying merch or becoming invested in a holo girl, cover has shown they will not back down their retarded stances and force people to leave so why bother buying merch of someone who can just banish one day

>>106604686
She has 24 streams since August, that's less than 8 streams per month. Saying "multiple times a week" is really straining credibility.

>>106597565
FWMC are huge, they were outselling Gura in merch and now they're easily doubling her sales.

>>106595220
>>106595313
Huh did something big happen with Haachama that I missed?

>>106620612
Maybe in the first year they fell off hard

>>106620384
I'm not really sure what the point you're making is here. Regardless the fact of the matter is that one of the reasons investors and share prices should matter to Cover or Hololive fans in general is that Yagoo can be outvoted.

Isn't Holoheart a failure and where a lot of money went?
And we all knew it was going to fail. Yagoo is a dumbass.

>>106620822
FWMC sell decently well to Japs, especially when compared to any other EN outside of Gura. That Anon is mistaking a supliment of Japanese dollars to the overall state and interest of non-Japs to vtubers, especially corporate vtubers.

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>>106612618
>Cover's stocks VISUALLY RECLINING
Still posts pics like its a positive outlook
LOL, LMAO EVEN
May I remind you retard that A YEAR ago, both companies WERE AT THE SAME 2,200 RANGE
Now Anycolor is at 6800 now

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>>106620612
>outselling
Where the fuck is your proof?
FWMC didnt even have a solo collab
Gura can sell $2M merch in a single event

>>106623774
The thing is that although revenue did increase year on year from an investors point of view it doesn't matter. Cover predicted revenue would be higher than that on their last forecast so to any investors the fact that they failed to reach that forecast makes it a negative not a positive. The share prices for Cover previous to the financial report would be assuming they hit their forecast revenue, falling short therefore leads to the share prices declining.

>>106623774
I don't really follow it but why is Anycolor going up?

>>106624122
They pay their shareholders dividends

>>106624122
Mostly just that their financial results have been good. Beating all their forecasts even increasing their forecasts in some instances. I'm not sure why people try to attribute it to "dividends" that would only result in a one time bump to the share price when it was announced anything after that and the market has already priced it in. If you compare them to Cover then it's obvious why investors think Anycolor is a more valuable company. Comparing the first quarter of the year on a revenue of 15768 million yen Anycolor made net profits of 4884 million yen. A very healthy 30% profit margin. Meanwhile Cover on revenue of 9629 million yen retained 693 million yen in net profits, barely even profitable with a margin of 7%. Anycolor is something like 6 or 7 times more profitable as a business than Cover.

>>106599896
The fans who actually care already left

>>106613583
Now that youtube doesn't count someone lurking with adblockers as viewers you'll never see that again

>>106624715
Is it just the advantage of having way more people?

>>106625082
You could I suppose make the argument that Anycolor having greater revenue is advantaged by having more active members. But I would have thought when it comes to profit you would expect having more people to be detrimental to profits. It makes sense that the more members you have the more your costs increase. You need to increase the number of management staff as you get more members, you have to get more outfits, spend more on 3d models for all the members that qualify and so on. Of you hold everything else constant and have two companies with the same revenue, you'd expect the company with less members to have better profit margins because of lower costs.

>>106622141
Metaverse stuff in general has been a massive failure hasn't it.

>>106591334
Won't any EN5 be at least 6 months away?

>>106591334
No saving needed

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>>106620612
WOOOOOOOOOOOWW
It took two of you to kill me

>>106620590
>8 streams/month
>4 weeks/month
>8/4=2
>average of 2 streams per week
I know you seamonkeys are fucking retarded, but c'mon, that's 3rd grade math.

>>106591334
Only if they have a Dommy mommy

If the stocks get low enough and cover has enough money saved up could they potentially just buy all of their stocks and go private? It would be great if retards causing the stock price to drop causes that.

Only new Holostars gen can save them

>>106630351
I think the stock would get delisted before it goes low enough for them to be able to afford to outright buy the company. According to the balance sheets they have around $85 million in Cash right now and the companies market cap is around $750 million yen.

>>106632580
>$750 million yen
meant to say dollars they have around 85 million dollars in cash and the market cap is around 750 million dollars

>>106630351
>purposefully miss targets
>buy put options before revealing financial report
>put options print money and then buy back your company and take it private

>>106633625
You know they were the ones to make it public to begin with? It's not some random hindrance they're fighting against

>>106591334
lol

NOTHING WILL SAVE YOU BROWN MONKEYS FROM THE SUPER TSUNAMI THO HOPE YOU ENJOY ALL THE DEATH!

>>106623774
Why do you think any of that actually matters?
>BUT THE INVESTORS!?
Who cares about the investors? That's their issue.
>BUT THE PROFITS!?
Revenue just keeps going up YoY >>106611314
>BUT NIJI STOCKS ARE DOING BETTER!!!
And you probably don't have enough money to buy even a single share thirdie.
The company keeps thriving and doing better and better. There is literally zero downside to the report in any way aside from some investors mad because they didn't make a quick buck off a single report.
Boo hoo.

>>106591334
if it has 5 Biboos yes

>>106625082
Stock prices surge when the COMPANY makes money, not the people in it. This incentivizes companies to not invest in themselves, spend money on their employees or talents, or to hire more people to work there, spending money at all isn't something investors like to see unless it's on a stock buyback. On the opposite side of things, cutting wages, selling large parts of their company or firing large numbers of people actually causes stocks to rise. Niji is notoriously greedy and fucks their talents over with everything they can such as making talents pay for their own stuff whenever possible (publicly stated by several talents who quit), underpaying them or just straight up scamming them. Shareholders love that.

>>106636403
The funny thing about this is, according to their financial results statements both companies are intending on allocating about the same amount of money to growth investments and m&a proprotional to the time periods they talk about, Anycolor are saying between now and the end of 2027 they intend to allocate 23-26 billion yen to it, and Cover are saying between now and the end of 2030 they intend to allocate 50 billion yen to it. Proportional to the time involved they are allocating the same amount roughly. The only difference is Anycolor is far more profitable so they can also afford to commit money to shareholder returns too while Cover on the other hand just says there is a possibility they could make shareholder returns in the future if they make enough money.