October 7th

>>107088096
turns out, reading Idolm@ster hentais and wanting to turn your talents into your own sex harem actually DOESN'T work out that well

>>107088096
I'd argue the money they put into Riro, who was clearly a terrible hire for idol as a druggie and raveslut, was where it started going wrong, Riro in general, honestly.

>>107088096
They focused on cunny GFE and pressured those who didn't want to do it.
Building any business around reinforcing shizo unicucks delusions is bound to crash and burn.

>>107088096
Advent killed them.

>>107088159
it was this, the plug got pulled simply due to the reality of the situation. so they sold to some japanese company that has never seemed especially serious about overseas capex beyond just buying random companies

>>107088287
Pretty much this
idol thrived when HoloEN struggled to put out a new gen for 2 years and upset their existing viewers with repeated male gens
Once HoloEN got back into the business of producing female vtubers it was all over for idol

E-Sekai collapsing tho was tough. They were the heart and soul of it. Then it looked like they had a strong Gen2 with a 1-2 punch of Roca and Coni who were doing big numbers, but lost them after Advent debuted

>>107088096
The Isreali grant shekels dried up >>107088159

>>107088404
The weird thing about brave is that they didn't sell v4m though.

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>>107088252
Ravesluts are great though.

>>107088096
>incompetent management that didn't respond to any issue until it was already a disaster, had a mouth bigger than their stomach, and couldn't get basic corpo shit like merch done ever
>back to back to back fuck ups from extremely retarded and/or menhera talent that were so catastrophic they'd kneecap basically any small corpo
>uncontrolled woman moments leading to extremely poisonous vagueposting and PLfagging
>hamas

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Reminder that Fuyo retained her IP yet still retired it for this

Tbh at some point it made me doubt if Aviel really existed.

>>107088096
>still obessed with phase
lol good riddance idol shart

>>107088679
>Doesn't stream
Not really helping your point here

>>107088751
name?

>>107088096
Talk about how 0.6% Connect lost all its "momentum" too.

>>107089160
western vtubing is dying

>>107088096
They invited a ticking time bomb, namely Riro, into their company who then blew up and destroyed everything. It happens

>>107088096
Hasbara funds went to generating more bbc and trap porn

>>107089462
yuko and pochi unironically did more damage

Killer 1
>Advent debut. Idol had a ot of great things happen for them in early to mid 2023 with Rin & Yuko getting alogd, then a very strong Gen2 debut. Advent debuting took most of the eyes off of them.
Killer 2
>October 7
Killer 3
>Riro Ron scandal. It was a symptom of a bigger problem that became clear until they got sold off and the backbone of the company collapsed

>>107088096
yuko yurei

>>107089545
Pochi did nothing wrong. Yuko did though.

>>107089645
nice try pochi

>>107089130
Mitty (.exe)

>>107088159
Unironically this. The rrat that they had government money makes perfect sense if you assume it all got pulled once the war started.

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>>107088096
They never had more momentum than Phase. Never. They just spent a lot of money on ads.
They simply over extended more than they should have. A lot of generations in a short time. They spent a lot of money, and were not able to pay everybody.
It's really hard to build a sustainable, and organic community like Phase did, that's just how it is.
V4Mirai is kinda doing the same thing but apparently they have money, so they can survive.

>>107089803
>They never had more momentum than Phase. Never. They just spent a lot of money on ads.
they absolutely did and this is revisionist history. it was for only a few months, but they had it.

>>107089723
Wasn't a rrat, it was founded with a grant the Israeli government was giving out to tech start-ups, pretty sure he was open about this.

>>107089803
ads are not magic

>>107089803
from March to about June, they were neck and neck and Idol was marginally beating Phase.
Their Roca/Coni gen mogged the new Invaders gen at that time, and Rin/Yuko gen mogged Alias. It is a marathon not a sprint tho.

>>107089645
>>107089677
Yuko doing ONE travel vlog and then instantly giving up was really fucking funny though, you have to admit

Crazy how Riro is still catching strays years later when its been proven 3x times now that company was horribly mismanaged.
That wildly inappropriate termination letter has done immeasurable damage to her.

>>107090725
She can rest a little easier knowing that she took Idol down with her

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>>107090725
uhuh

>>107088159
Fpbp
Factual and to the point

>>107088203
Spwp
Actual retardation

>>107090763
With such a large harem, surely someones come forward with something more than a screenshot from a stream that got leaked and spread around to anyone with a passing interest, right?

>>107088096
I know a lot of people shit on Yuko and Riro, but it was actually Pochi. Pochi was a fucking festering cancer that soured the experience for everyone, and everything fell apart after she started sperging out. Even the yab free members got all depressed and wanted out because of Pochi. Fucking cunt.

>>107088751
I'm pissed off every day because of that. I adored Fuyo, she had a relatively huge following and lots of momentum, then bought her fucking IP just to bury it in the ground and go back to her dogshit indie model and stream 2 view status. It's mind boggling how stupid women are. Killed any interest I had in following her.

>>107091229
false, no one fucking cared about pochi

>>107089803
wrongo. Rin and Yuko were huge and had a far bigger audience than anyone in phase except Pippa. Other members were creeping up toward 100k, their second gen was great, and at the time PC was just stagnant

>>107090763
it was a RP with chat you moron, she had read the same thing out multiple times on stream and never gotten in trouble before

what is the thing at that time that caused Phase to kick it into an extra gear while Idol regressed?

>>107091287
not true, it hit Fuyo especially hard, but it destroyed the whole 'us against the world' gen 1 camaraderie they had going

>>107091229
I've never watched Idol (apart from Juna on a few occasions); can you give me a qrd about why Pochi was an issue?

>>107091378
September to December 2023 was a very hot period for Phase and when they turned the corner. Probably the hottest period for them.
They started getting their first legit industry collabs with Pomu/NIJI, Henya/Vshojo, Filian, Neuro all within the span of like a month and the Filian collabs started being very frequent across the company. Then Coffin game came out and that was a big game for Phase Connect. They got big shine at the Vtuber Awards, and then had a lot of sizzle with Euphoria debuting.

>>107091426
oh man where to even start. She shit up X with public sperg outs against fans, stopped streaming, fought with management, threw away her awesome model for a creepy pedobait that looked like a 10 year old that got beat up and covered with wounds, then did a donothon and skipped out on all the rewards and fucked over her fans. She seemed like such a sweet girl at first but she was a really troubled individual, and she was the first domino that really set everything else in motion to crumbling. I'm sure I forgot some of her greatest hits too, its been awhile

>>107091391
>'us against the world' gen 1 camaraderie
lol
fuyo hated rin
only juna and yuko cared about pochi, and juna was already fed up with pochi when she stopped streaming

>>107091276
Damn, that's really really stupid. Fuyo's model was great

>>107091215
Bro the stream is in the archives

>>107091276
she didn't buy her IP, she was incidentally given it in the revenue sharing deal with everyone else and was entirely prepared to leave fuyo forever before that
that said I will agree that her abandoning it for the entire duration of the revenue sharing deal was extremely retarded, as is her not streaming for over a month thing partly so she can work on a big overproduced return as fuyo, that'll just amount to "anyway I'm actually mitty please go sub and watch there from now on"

>>107091853
no fucking shit you illiterate 3rd world brownoid, im asking if anyone from the supposed harem has ever leaked anything.

>>107091500
>donothon
Almost always these seems to be the cause of issues. Not even just scamming, but also burn-out for the chuuba, diminishing returns in terms of subs/viewers/growth. I remember the numbers guy in /lig/ doing an analysis about them and saying that after about a week it always ends up being a net negative for the vtuber. Baffling why so many continue to do them.

>>107091948
Yeah but Idol's were exceptionally bad in that regard, because literally no one involved put any thought into the viability and cost and effort of actually doing the goals, they just promised shit that sounded cool, like a fucking video game or children's story book. Though it doesn't help that the lazy retards couldn't even do the easy goals, like Coni having a vague goal of "3 hour honking stream" she got paid literal thousands for, only to turn it into a regular zatsu over an entire year later where she just bitterly bitched about how it was stupid and it wasn't even her idea for a goal.

>>107088096
Jewish tricks aka secretly horrible management from everyone besides aviel

>>107088096]
because after one year
>riro fucked her manager
>pochi scammed her fans
>yuko cucked everybody
>juna male collabs (AFTER her first donothon mind you)
not to mention Rin being a woke dyke. thank god the shill money ran out after Oct 7th.

>>107088420
Basically yeah the time when Idol (and phase much as I dislike them) actually seemed to have real momentum was during mumei's year of nothing aka 2022, where EN doubled down on homos and several previously-ideal girls turned out to be homoshillers all along. At that moment the small corpos trying to be like Hololive felt more like the it than the real thing was leaning in that moment. However yeah Advent turned that around as well as a general decline and pause to the homocollabs, pushing the small corpos back down into mere Holo wannabes rather than being mumbled about as maybe its successors for those who simply wanted to preserve the feel of pre-homo holoEN.

I miss when she was connie. M doesn't do it for me desu. But i guess she didnt like being uoh

>>107089565
Killer 4
>Aviel had already pocketed all the money that people spent on merch but continued to string people along saying it was coming any day now
Killer 5
>idol dumped a FUCK TON of money at Offkai in order to get the top billing spot, beating out Phase who had a significant presence at the con. Phase had merch, coffee and a cafe to try and make money from it. idol had a small booth run by a manager and a couple con assigned volunteers that threw away all the gifts and letters dropped off for talents and then lied about it after they calculated what it'd cost to ship them
Killer 6
>Encouraging Yuko in her change of direction to go scorched earth on her content and even her own fans. Keep in mind she was one of the three earners.
Killer 7
>Showing favoritism to Pochi and then trying to trap her into staying by withholding donothon money in order to keep her around when Brave acquired them
Killer 8
>The revolving door of hired managers who idol pay for a month or two and then promised to pay them later, all of the artists and other contractors who got scammed
Killer 9
>Stringing EN3 along in pre-debut for an entire year

>>107093681
pochi shit happened way before brave

>>107094437
dec 2023 -> Brave-Idol partnership
mar 2024 -> Pochi graduation
aug 2024 -> Brave acquisition of idol complete

>>107094537
it doesn't take over 8 months to buy a small vtuber corpo, and the pochi meltdown and her attempting to exit scam began in november and december

yet another company that somehow NijiEN managed to outlive

>>107094537
>>107094608
oh plus you're retarded for thinking they were desperate to keep her of all people in the corpo, when they let like 7 girls leave with their models

3 more posts about Pochi and she'll post the 18th google dockey crashout let's fucking goooooooooooooooo

>>107090725
They aren't strays, she deserves all the shit she gets. That the company was also mismanaged doesn't absolve her of that.

>>107088096
Mossad deemed their unkosher operation as a failure

>>107094701
there's a term for that, they're starys and Imma put them in the cum jar

>>107091948
Idol ones never lasted a week, they were 2-3 day things. The problem was the ambitious rewards they, due to a combination of laziness, inexperience and incompetence between both vtuber and company, couldn't deliver whilst adding to behind the scenes stress.

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>>107094701
I like how their legacy is just
>who was the worst: yuko, pochi, or riro?

>>107094792
the answer is whoever is a hag last

>>107094792
It truly can't be stated enough how much damage the trio did in a span of like 3 months, it's a level of drama and completely avoidable retardation that puts even the black screen stream period of Nijisanji to shame. Everyone involved should be thankful that it happened when it did, and not in the post-Selen world of unrepentant dramafaggotry and corpo crusading, because otherwise they would still be getting that shit posted on the catalog in threads worse than this one.

>>107090725
>uh oh I did coke and fucked the banged lady in the bathroom but my company was mismanaged so it's not my fault

>>107093188
But what about Menako? TuT

>>107095241
Whatever retarded point you're trying to make is invalidated by you being esl.

>>107091330
>anon thinks subs are a good indicator for success
Idol's management being people like you are why they never could have succeeded long term. Pippa alone was always significantly bigger than the entirely of Idol
Rin even at her peak was not that. Yuko was the only one who had real potential to rake in good money and well, you saw how that went

>>107096031
Don't talk about other people being bad potential managers if you're so retarded that you think direct donations is where all money comes from.

>>107096066
Pippa's direct donations alone were bigger than the entire revenue of Idol
I don't think you realise just how fucking big Pippa was
Phase across the board always pulled significantly more money than Idol girls and it's not even up for debate. The only way you could think otherwise is if you only watched Idol instead of both

>>107095241
>uh oh my company was caught lying and not paying its employees but surely they'll still believe any defamation attempts

>>107096203
Yeah good for Pippa I'm not a brown /#/ retard like you are and I don't care who is or was bigger, my point is that your understanding of monetization is retarded. Punkalopi, a similar case to Rin in that she's a bad person and streamer with a huge casual fanbase comprised entirely of shorts watching 12 year olds and destitute trannies, is able to stay afloat thanks to just selling a plush or plugging a gamerslop sponsor code every once in a while. One kind of fanbase may dump most of their money through donations where the reward is parasocial attention, and another will do so when the reward is a tub of heinously marked up slop drink powder or a plushy. I can guarantee you Rin made bank off even Idol's horribly limited merchandising.

>>107096315
>listing things done on stream for all to see
>defamation attempts

>>107088096
>Where did it all go wrong?
Gen1 debut. I've got nothing against small corpos per se but their hires tend to be garbage in many aspects.

>>107096315
I hope you realize some day that both parties in a situation can be Not Good

>>107096697
Yes. The biggest issue for the public was the manager thing, and the biggest issue for the company was that she was getting money without giving them their cut. Neither of these things was known until the notice

Everything else is malicious filler

>>107096352
qrd on Rin being a bad person? All I know about her is the whole shorts thing.

>>107097231
There's no real tea, she's just kind of a bitch.

>>107088096
they had more momentum because of the outrageous amount of money they were dumping

Daily reminder Riro was not fired for the members stream, she was fired because she had a video on at the very end of a stream that mentioned Palestine shortly before she was booted.
She did things like this plenty of times in other streams without issue, that lying prick used it as a reason to fire her to cover his own corrupt ways and his fucked up mismanagement.

>>107095093
I got enough of an idea from the rest of the thread what happened with riro and pochi, but what did yuko do?

>>107092493
>>juna male collabs (AFTER her first donothon mind you)
Juna wanted to do male collabs before her donothon to filter unicucks quickly, but management pressured her into waiting.

>>107097723
You caught me in a literary mood so I'm going to dump a multi-post novel, because you genuinely can't succinctly explain how hard she fucked up without explaining the years of context:

>exists as Rye
>gets groomed as an actual legal minor by a group of /k/fags hated already on /k/ and /tg/ for being a raiding circlejerk of faggots
>even goes to do meetups with them
>gets pigeonholed into being a tarkov milsim streamer for them
>decides to go corpo to get a restart
>is friends with Pippa but Pippa can't nepo her into Phase
>ends up applying and getting into literally who Idol instead
>becomes a Gura clone
>corpo debut goes surprisingly amazingly well and she picks up a lot of chumbuds feeling dejected by Gura's not streaming arc (this comes up later)
>very quickly starts pivoting into doing lewd cunnybait soft GFE since that sells well
>/k/fags don't like this but she still hangs out with them behind the scenes and playing shit like like Arma with them as Rye
>her new fans (boobros) know about this and there's no real problems aside from the occasional phasepag cuckpost raid
>she does a very successful donothon that includes some high effort goals and what is explicitly stated to be an explicitly lewd "spicy ASMR" (this comes up later)
>after some amount of months something changes
>she kills Rye for seemingly good and starts leaning into the lewd cunnybait soft GFE even harder
>most of the boobros are fine as a fanbase but there's a small hyperautistic subsection that she and the rest of them refuse to properly tard wrangle (this comes up later)
>the head /k/fag posts a passive aggressive vaguetweet about a friend cutting ties with him that includes an pic of a green mop that totally isn't meant to represent Rye
>suddenly at the exact same time Idol's home thread, /jidf/, where MANY boobros reside, is overrun with raids
>someone makes a new account on kiwifarms to post about a tenous link to some black guy on the other side of the world that Yuko may be friends with among other shit
>kiwifags and other phasepags and the /k/fags begin a campaign of relentless thread raiding
>every single day is just constant trans-atlantic BBC cuckposting and shitting on boobros
>some person or persons that has an alleged in with the /k/fag group says they're taking part in this
>the /k/fags know of this and do nothing to deny it
>boobros and the rest of the Idol fans that have to scroll through it every day begin to hate them more and more and more
>this continues for months
>the Riro explosion happens in october/november 2023
>during november Yuko suddenly posts a very poorly worded intention to pull back from streaming as much in order to spend more time working on projects and high effort streams
>former chumbud fans get a PTSD flashback and freak out because they'd rather have streams than more projects
>they even express that they'd be fine changing the high effort donothon goals that still haven't been touched after months
>Yuko calms them down with platitudes and says it'll be fine
>she immediately then goes on an entire whole month of december vacation anyway
>at this time the Riro situation has begun turning into the Pochi situation, among other mitigating factors that causes most of the girls in Idol to start vague doomposting and revving up their PLs
>it's so bad that it becomes called doompost december
>Yuko revives Rye and says she's rebooting the identity without the milsim shit
>her fans construe as a light F U to the /k/fags that are still stirring shit
>her fans among all the others in Idol become increasingly worried and stressed out over doompost december though most everyone is generally supporting the girls against perceived black corpo stuff that no one knows anything about

>>107098428
cont.

>this reaches a breaking point when a bunch of Idol fans, mostly consisting of boobros, raid the official Idol discord like a brigade of karens demanding whatever's wrong be fixed
>Idol finally puts out a statement that they're fixing stuff
>Yuko then posts that we're so back > it's so over > we're so back line graph meme and says "we're so back without the dip"
>everyone breathes a collective sigh of relief that everything is fixed and they can go back to having fun
>except suddenly a few days later towards the end of december Yuko drops a members post that's the biggest vague doompost yet that alludes to another change in direction and Rye directly
>it generally reads like graduationbait and her already incredibly stressed out fans start going apeshit with worry
>the hyperautistic ones that haven't been tard wrangled start harassing Yuko's friends like Chromu, trying to get them involved to help her somehow
>Rye then follows the /k/fags on twitter
>she hasn't even followed any of her Yuko fans that draw art and shit for her
>instant overwhelming nuclear meltdown from literally everyone
>some of her fans drop her right then and there
>she posts on twitter, still not having streamed for over a month, and her replies are flooded with fans basically going "what the FUCK Yuko????"
>she goes completely radio silent on all accounts
>the /k/fags start openly taunting boobros and raiding /jidf/ even harder now
>one of them, that later gets doxxed as an obese neckbeard, even changes his handle to "oshi slayer" and they start making it look like they're commissioning assets for Rye
>everyone gets even angrier
>her radio silence ends up going on for weeks with only a brief reappearance saying that she's working on stuff
>more and more fans drop her and fucking everyone is generally sick of the shit she's brought into Idol
>people find out during this time that one of the /k/fags got arrested for raping a kid and the head /k/fag remote accessed his computer to delete files after finding out, among other shit
>still follows them as Rye though
>she finally announces a return stream after like 3 months of silence
>it attracts a ton of tourist attention, like 2000+ ccv
>she doesn't explain her absence or attempt to explain the graduationbait post or following the /k/fags or anything
>doesn't apologize for anything
>instead declares that she's dropping GFE from her content and will instead do irl camping vlogs (???????)
>that's it, stream over
>tourists that don't know about the autistic year long /vt/ blood feud focus on the GFE thing and start celebrating that they can totally watch Yuko now since she's not doing icky gross GFE anymore
>they see that boobros are mad and assume it's all because of that
>tourists start mocking them as incels and shit, all over reddit and twitter and /vt/ and the Idol discord
>Yuko again does 0 tard wrangling and says nothing to make them stop or defuse anything
>she instead goes and immediately purges anything remotely GFE from her channel
>no warning for archiving
>tons of zatsus, date streams, ASMR, lovey dovey members posts, all gone that same day
>all but like 2 actual retarded ESL boobros drop her right then and there
>literally every single one
>no whales, clippers, artists, or just general fans left
>her big return week with a full schedule of high effort streams have an all grey chat and together make legitimately less than half the money that a single normal stream would before
>all the tourists that said they could watch her now have already fucked off to the next virtue signal by the end of the week
>she then blames her now former fans for making her do GFE, somehow
>also says they didn't want her ever doing high effort project stuff like she actually wanted to do like the irl camping blogs (?????)

>>107098445
cont.

>but also she still hasn't even started doing multiple donothon goals even during the few months of silence, which of course refunds are refused on
>Idol loses a huge chunk of their productive/profitable fanbase
>it's not mentioned outright anywhere but it becomes apparent very quickly that she also intends to stop the lewd stuff and loli pandering, which was literally her entire on-screen relationship with her BFF Fuyo
>Yuko has a couple collabs with other girls in Idol scheduled but she suddenly drops out before they start
>no one sets up any other collabs with her and almost no one talks about her at all
>after that first week the high effort content she wanted to do dries up and her numbers get worse in every metric
>she eventually breaks down in a members stream crying that she doesn't want to have to go work at starbucks or walmart
>hangs around for a couple months before announcing a graduation finally that the company treats as a footnot while announcing other stuff
>starts speedruning donothon goals but in a very rules lawyer-y way to be the cheapest and laziest interpretation possible
>including the spicy ASMR, that was explicitly sold as and even preliminarily scripted to be R18+ explicit, where she just eats a jalapeno or something and huffs into the mic for a bit
>still no refunds though
>also her last stream is her fleshcamming in a bikini anyway
>no calls ins, no send off, no tears, again the company treats it like a footnote
>she fucks off back to Rye and spends time redebuting
>even among PLs no one besides the now graduated and extremely mentally ill Pochi wants anything to do with her
>basically only watched by a handful of people and the /k/fags for a long while, though she's clawed an audience back over time
>/k/fags later get involved with the kirsche offkai stuff just as a sidenote if you're curious about the kind of people who gave a shit about that

And that's the story of Rye/Yuko, the only vtuber to actually push past the simp limit and annihilate an entire fanbase by doing literally everything wrong.

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>>107098464
jesus I wasn't expecting actual mucho texto thanks for the spoonfeed I guess

>>107094792
nobody even knows who the fuck pochi is. donothon spam and abandonment is something that affects her fans but not the community. what yuko and riro did affected everyone

>>107098564
idolcorpfags have a lot of repressed trauma from those evil women (unironically) and I don't blame em

>>107091747
Sounds like Idol needed a better vibe check

>>107098799
>what yuko and riro did affected everyone
I don't know about Yuko, but Riro's actions didn't even exist until the notice. This would have been a literal nothingburger in Hololive or just about any other corpo. The girls are retarded, yes, and that's something every company has to deal with, but this is 100% on Idol.

>>107099271
Masturbating on youtube while having donation goals to take drugs and """"larping"""" about establishing a fan fuck harem is not a nothingburger for any corpo. That was already a PR disaster for Idol even before they made it worse with the termination notice.

>>107099271
Bath are to blame. If Ron would not have been a bad girl, then there would have been nothing to white notice her about. God forbid talent be held accountable for their actions.

>>107099345
Coco took the same pills on stream, it was a nothingburger. Riro wasn't exactly innovating with the erotic ASMR either. By the end of the harem stream Riro herself mentions she's just larping, so yeah, the whole thing would have been a nothingburger if not for Idol.

>>107099447
1. That was not a nothingburger, that was posted all over and she had to apologize for it and swear not to do it again.
2. It was not being done as a literal recreational donation goal.
3. She was not doing normal erotic by youtube standards ASMR, she was explicitly blasting her pussy with a vibrator and had anyone reported that she would have instantly gotten her channel banned.
4. She mentions she's larping after already getting a message from whichever manager telling her to cut the stream, after it was already spreading all over the /vt/ catalog.

It is genuinely mindboggling how dumb you coomers she filtered her fanbase down to by the end are. It is not hard to say "okay maybe things went too far and the drug addicted cutter did something stupid."

>>107099586
still doesn't justify that fuck ass termination notice or all the hate she gets.

>>107099718
see >>107096804

>>107098464
such a sad story... she ultimately failed because she couldnt think for herself and listened to what the parasites around her wanted, its amazing how they were able to sabotage every aspect of her career so bravo to the /k/fags for that one.
hope it was worth it yuko/rye i really do wish you luck for whatever the future holds for you
they took everything from you without you realizing it, we all tried to warn you.

>>107099586
As I said, I agree she did some stupid things, but that's something all companies have to deal with. People talking about things /here/ or a talent having to be bonked is literally no big deal.

My point is that all would have been quickly forgotten if not Idol, so they are ultimately responsible for what happened to them. They instantly went from being the company any talent can trust to being a vengeful black company.

>>107091276
She doesn't even stream that much. Probably because there's no dynamic in her numbers.

>>107088096
yuko

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>>107098464
Jesus, this sounds a lot worse than what i thought happened. I thought Yuko saw what happened to Riro and she didn't wan't to end up like her. I mean, she literally disappeared for like 2 or 3 months right after Riro graduated.

>>107098464
Wow, never knew rye bread was yuko.

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>>107098464
that's really sad

>>107098464
I've always seen her fans treated as complete groomers and nutcases. I think I get why now.
Doesn't excuse her actions at all though.

>>107098428
>>107098445
>>107098464
Did boobros deserve it?

>>107098428
>>107098445
>>107098464
Don't forget - the same /k/fag group she was being groomed by (allegedly when she was underage) had one guy arrested and is now spending 100+ years in prison for raping his 8 year old step daughter.

>>107101402
I mentioned that, yes.

>>107099966
it's a damn shame, she used to be streaming machine. I also didn't like how when she announced her graduation she was like "lol I always knew this was gonna be a temp thing and didnt really like Fuyo that much"

>>107091819
I agree, one of the best around. I miss her chewing on coins T_T It was so cute

>>107091918
that's not how that worked, she 'bought' it the same as Rin and some others. You give brave x amount of your profit for the next year. Not everyone agreed to this, some of them didnt take that deal, it wasn't just handed to her.

>>107088096
specced too hard into cunnybaiting GFE leading to the disastrous Riro hire and the complete torching of their reputation. They'll always be known as the menhera slut company.

>>107097723
Nothing. The walls of text from butthurt boobros is hilarious. All Yuko did was decide she didnt want to be such a whore anymore, and toned down her spicy content and got rid of some of her old super-mushy personal GFE stuff. But of course fans dont actually want the chuuba to be happy and a better person, they just want to jack off to ear licking. So these faggots made a huge deal over nothing. Her real issue was being a lazy fuck and never streaming, if she had just been consistent she could have been huge even after she filtered the hardcore gooners.

>>107098464
>total fanbase anihilation
Not even Rushia fell this hard.

>>107090725
Riro absolutely deserved to get fired for what she did but the way idol handled it did them absolutely no favors, it only threw gasoline onto the drama while also trying to hide their own culpability.

>>107101592
everyone who left got the deal and she was going to leave regardless

>>107089645
Pochi drove her IP off a cliff and presented us with the broken results

>>107101703
and this is why you never go full doxxfag and just enjoy what's on stream. I don't look behind the curtain, because EVERYONE is flawed, and I will find a reason to hate them. So I happily consume content and live in blissful ignorance.

>>107101748
they were offered it yes, but it wasn't required. Fuyo was perfect, she suited her model better than almost anyone I've ever seen. I've tried to watch her as Mitty and its just not the same

>>107101720
well and they paid the price for it because how they handled it ended up kneecapping the company and derailing careers

man early Endless era was a rush

>>107101779
I specified that no one had any problems with anything until the problem was brought to their thread every day for basically a year, unless you consider coming to /vt/ at all engaging in doxxfaggotry.

>>107101664
I think that for a lot of talents having to pigeonhole themselves as lewd cunnytubers just breaks their brains. It really feels like GFE directly corresponds to talents going full menhera.

>>107088096
It went on full dive after the Riro incident

I saw Rye have meet and greets at OffKai and did not want to stand near that booth for too long, else the staff may ask if I want to talk to her

>>107101664
(this is one of the /k/ groomers btw)

>>107098428
You forgot to mention her """lemonade""" stand

>>107101664
>dedicated fans are just angry because Yuko did a complete 180 and rug-pulled them about literally everything
ya think?

>>107098464
you forgot the part where she drank her own piss

>>107102091
>>107102163
That's not really relevant to anything, but sure, she did a stream where she pissed into cups and drank it for donations before the CEO found out and panicked and made her end the stream.

>>107102174
remember one spurt kurt? lmao

>>107089878
>they absolutely did
Nta but most of their momentum was around twitter women that never watched streams or even clips and cancelled them the second they remembered the corp was Israeli
Their whales got waaaaayyyyy too much access (to the point where they were ordering emotes for debuts and messaging the CEO to tell him how to manage his talents) and they spent so much time trying to be cool to people that don't like corpos instead of building a proper merch pipeline that they ended up unable to ship fucking voice packs
They were just vshojo without the twitch nepo access and should've been seen as a warning to anybody in vshojo

>>107098428
>>107098445
>>107098464
Boobros were a pathetic bunch but the footnote here is for other content creators.
If your inner circle starts dizzing your cashcow, you tell them RIGTH AWAY to keep it to themselves or in a place where it cant be seen.
If either a friend or other content creator, maliciously targets your fanbase, it should be consireded sabotage.

>>107102298
Yes, he's chief among who I had in mind when I mention the small minority of hyperautists.

>>107102313
viewership wise, Idol was neck and neck with Phase in April 2023 thru about June 2023
The way it was at the time between the 2
Pippa
>gap
Rin
>powergap
Yuko
Tenma
>gap
Coni
Roca
Shiina
>gap
the rest
>powergap
PhaseJP
IdolHE

>>107088751
Wait she retired Fuyo? I thought she was still sad over dead cat since Mitty's YT channel is dead

>>107102423
he means a year ago, she's currently spending too much time on reviving fuyo in some way now that the revenue sharing period is over and she can freely connect the two

>>107102134
Yes? Senzawa fans didnt ditch her when she stopped being a drunk retard. Michael Cat fans didnt ditch her when she was literally married and a lying psychopath. Nimi fans didnt ditch her because she's a knocked up fiance. So to call someone your oshi and abandon them because they stop making gooner shit and just want to be a normal, happy streamer is insane to me. How bad must that make them feel, to know that the only reason anyone cared is to jack off?

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>>107102388
>PhaseJP
>2023

>>107102388
Yeah but they didn't do anything to keep that temporary spike, and at the time Pippa was unironically making more money than fauna and watame in supas which they reinvested smartly as opposed to idol just fumbling everything
I remember that offkai when idol shilled hard to be the main sponsor and did fuck all with it while everybody joked about it being phase con

>>107088096
>raise venture capital
>OMG THEY HAVE UNLIMITED MOMENTUM ITS THE PHASE KILLER
>venture capital runs dry, revealing a failed project that never managed to convert capital into a sustainable, profitable model
>quietly dies
>"what happened?"
What happens is that someone calls themselves an "entrepreneur" when their career is selling snake oil to investors and using the funds they raise to pay their own salary as they move from one failed startup to another.

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>>107102508
newfag

>>107102487
(please note how the /k/ groomer tries to reframe the issue as only being about her content pivot)

>>107102527
I'll never forget youtube being spammed with Uruka's little singing promo, it was a catchy song. You'd have thought she'd end up being the star of the gen.

>>107102530
No? never been to /k/, not even a big Yuko watcher. I just feel bad for her for having the worst fanbase of all time.

>>107102525
Their head manager also burned a lot of goodwill that would've benefited idol with cross corpo collabs, I remember when people like panko talked about fuyo ghosted her because their collab didn't have enough noombers and didn't give her access to pippa
Sakana would've been open to doing corpo unity shit again but they were so busy trying to become vgoyjo

>>107096771
>Gen1 debut
the jews?

>>107102487
I don't really know enough about the senzawa example to really comment but doing a pivot as an indie where your content is more free form is kinda different.

Mikeneko's reputation is in the toilet, she's barely even relevant at this point.

It was already known that Nimi had a bf and a lot of fans that followed her were aware.

>>107102530
retard, that is the only issue. the rest is doxx shit and minor details

>>107088096
idol was just extremely unlucky that they managed to hire mostly procrastinating absent whores who lie a lot. The ones who worked hard tried carrying the company but the momentum was already lost when gen 1 was all gone. Meanwhile phase gen 1 are all still there and working hard, phase is lucky in their talents picking. If phase had gotten any other 5 girls, they wouldnt have survived this long either.

Pour some out for yuko yurei. Smart girl, definitely someone you think would get services. Lots of people tuned out now that she didn't.

>>107102508
he means Phase Origins JP. Phase Origins at this point is Pippa, Tenma, Lia, Uruka.
Phase Origins JP is their own unit.

>>107102634
my point was, a lot of streamers have changed a lot more than her, and her fans stuck with them. If toning down your GFE stuff and not producing lewd shit makes every fan leave because they don't care about you or your normal content, that's just really sad

>>107088096
they had it all but Hamas took them out, good, thank the almighty adn the resistance for that

>>107098428
>>107098445
>>107098464
Damn, that's some evil shit. Why was her corpo cool with her inner circle causing that much shit?

>>107102681
I don't really agree. Her fans who were there for GFE *were* interested in her normal content that's why her normal content also suffered heavily after her pivot. The problem is you can't pretend to be someone's GF for months then suddenly dump them and expect that they would want to hang out with you again right after.

GFE fans do watch all your content because they want to hang out with you but if you do something that completely changes their perception of you then they're not gonna want to hang out with you anymore.

>>107102681
The problem was she lied repeatedly, rug-pulled her donothon goals, burned her relationship with the other idol members, deleted paid-for content and then played the victim when people got upset. 2 years later she even admits that she fucked up and blamed most of it on idol management

>>107102298
>one spurt kurt
What

>>107088096
They hired a girl who is confused about her gender as one of the very foundational members of the company.

>>107102174
It shows how unhinged that bitch was

>>107102908
he was a hyperautist boobro a part of a circlejerk of other autistic failed groomers.
after a member's watchalong of some MLP movie, kurt uploaded a tribute on yuko's art tag like a dumbass and it had the most pathetic load i've ever seen on a tribute.
after being called out for being a fucking mongoloid, the gaggle of groomers spammed /jidf/ for an entire day running damage control.
he also used also his powerword and got himself doxxed like a dumbass.

>>107095343
Kusogaki need correction and she isnt interested in it.

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idol (and Brave) squandered their golden goose. I cannot stress how fucking rare it is to have a small corpo VTuber get over 100k views with every single cover. And what did idol do? They showered Riro with all sorts of money. Original song, many covers, etc. Roca gets barely anything.
When there's a live2d 'concert' who does idol send? ESekai, Kata/Niki, and Riro. Roca gets nothing.
Then idol/Brave decide that Encore is going to get all of their money instead of Roca. So they get original songs, concert performances, etc. Roca didn't get anything.
Unlike the rest of ESekai/Endless, Roca's 3D fucking debut concert was not even available to buy tickets for online streaming.
I just cannot fathom it. You have a girl that gets 10x the karaoke numbers of others, her songs get 50x the numbers of others, how hard is it to make sure that she gets more songs and performances?

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Don't even get me started on Juna. She's the nicest and most decent talent in idol, but she hurt me the worst.

>>107103249
she perforated my bowel

>>107103144
Roca came back after being gone for a year and was inserted into prominent concert roles at Offkai and Vexpo

>>107103144
It truly boggles the mind that she released 4 covers in her final six months as a member of Aetheria, the remaining ashes of Cyberlive that had no money or support whatsoever, and she has the same amount of covers in THRTY MONTHS in idol/Chromashift. Fucking pathetic.

>>107102818
Aviel was extremely bad about letting massive obvious problems fester, and their managers at the time were extremely retarded and useless in general, even by small corpo standards. Like to make it clear how retarded they were, one of them couldn't even manage to send letters through the mail, and the other was a tranny nepo hired through Rin, who's so bad at his job that since being fired and becoming an indie manager, he tried starting drama with now Chroma that was so retarded it only caused one of his own clients to delete their own twitter account. Supposedly one of them helped her rehearse her disastrous return stream and signed off on it, so no one there had any idea what the fuck they were doing.
>>107102872
No vtuber has lost quite literally their entire fanbase of hundreds of devoted fans from something that simple, or really at all.

>>107101664
I wrote >>107102329
and she had every right to do that.
Problem with her were her friends being openly hostile and flauting about it.
She really never said anything agricious but when people can see that you still associate with them and the comments never stop, its easy to assume you endorse said comments.
She didnt had to drop them, just tell thom to fucking chill and dont mess with her bread.

>>107103371
That's neat, where is her fucking original song that fans paid for in her donothon back in December 2023/January 2024?
Just one fucking original song. We paid for an EP, another original song, an Endless original song, a goddamn Roca EP but fuck it... JUST ONE ORIGINAL SONG YOU STUPID FUCKS.
Riro got one AT THE VERY FUCKING START, how does Roca not have one 24 months after raising 60,000 USD? How fucking incompetent can idol and Brave be?

>>107103542
derp, mean to write Encore got one at the very start but Riro having one is mostly true (I think it was a month or two after her debut but her channel is wiped so I can't check).

>>107103249
She didn't do anything wrong.

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>>107103574
Riro debuted with an original song "In Cyber" also known as INSIDE BEAR

>>107103609
aksually it's "inn cider"

>>107103577
That's why it's the worst feeling.

>>107102872
I'll never understand the mindset of a retard who actually thinks a chuuba is their GF. It's just an actress playing a part, are you really going to rage because she's playing a new part? Insane.

>>107103797
Pippa is my GF tho

>>107103144
to be fair, Roca fucking died and destroyed her momentum. That really wasn't on idol
>>107103249
I still can't believe Juna threw her career away to stream with some 1 view faggot. Literally destroyed it to have a collab with like 50 viewers watching.

>>107103512
I mean it was /here/ no one acknowledges or cares what goes on. To talk about it would be even weirder than to ignore it

>>107095093
post-selen lol. more like corpos weren't considered untouchable when it came to yabs anymore. small companies you could still trace who was at fault. the selen incident would not have blown up without NijiEN management making the worst possible moves to fuck itself over.

>>107103609
that song was unironically a bop, I dont even particularly like Riro but it's still on my playlists

>>107103865
It matters when a very large proportion of your fanbase are /here/

>>107103834
She 'died' in December 2024. By that time she had already been in idol for 18 fucking months. It was 12 months after her record-setting donothon.

>>107103797
I mean yeah they can't be your GF but creators and fans do become attached over time and it can really hurt when your oshi abruptly decides she doesn't want you anymore. It's just really cruel to lead people on and then cut them lose without warning.

>>107103939
you dont snap your fingers and magically have original songs and stuff overnight. Even in hololive they can take a year to produce with infinite resources

>>107104015
but its not like she was leaving. she wasn't going anywhere. she just didnt want to stick her tongue in your ear and schlick for you. Personally, I'd much rather just watch gaming streams with someone who's personality I enjoy, I can go watch porn whenever

>>107102818
the only manager who was able to tard wrangle things was unironically a sex pest.
the person Aviel elevated to replace him lied about pretty much everything he did and was maliciously incompetent. the donothon letters the other anon mentioned? he strung people along for over a year, alternating with the excuses that talents hadn't sent them to him or that they were being sent out soon.
people people eventually got theirs after Aviel intervened... such as the person who received the various items from Pochi, that were sent in an unpadded envelope and arrived completely smashed.
he was also in charge of handling their involvement at Offkai 2023. talents bought a few things that were going to be shipped to them and they accepted fan letters and gifts but not a single item was ever actually received by talents.

>>107104261
they literally did it with Encore's Reboot

>>107090156
You'd be surprised, actually.
While they're not magic and can't keep you up permanently from one boost, simply getting your name out there is often enough to massively improve your popularity.
Just look at how common it is for smaller streamers to rise up just from constant collabs with bigger ones.
Corpo vtubers exist solely because of this concept.

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>>107098428
>suddenly at the exact same time Idol's home thread, /jidf/, where MANY boobros reside, is overrun with raids
>>107098445
>the /k/fags start openly taunting boobros and raiding /jidf/ even harder now
So level with me, were the boo-bros raiding /tactical/ too during this period, or was it the /k/bros also raiding /tactical/?
Because I remember that during mid-2024, Rye/Yuko was a fucking lightning rod in /tactical/. So much so that I was pushing to evict her from the thread, and photoshopping her out of artwork Stalin-style as a joke.
No hard feelings or shit if it was /jidf/. The era is past. But I'd love a little insight into what was going on there because I'm big on our thread /tactical/'s history.

>>107101554
Oh yeah that did sting me also.

>>107105106
/tactical/ is a dog shit thread.

>>107105396
As a /tactical/-friend, I wholehearted agree. We're all frenemies and directly or indirectly sniping at each other.
But it's my dog shit thread, and I'm just trying to figure out which of these archive posts were coming from inside the thread versus outside the thread. Perhaps to use as ammo in my own internal conflicts in the thread...

>>107105106
as someone who has never visited there, I assume its military girls? Is Tomoe their goddess at this point?

>>107105106
no clue but most of the /k/fags hated vtubers, despite following Rye during her transition to becoming one.

>>107105744
Thanks!
BTW, was >65366619 and/or >60134576 you? No particular reason, just going through the archives and got curious how long the triple-post was in the oven cooking.

If you want to dig through Rye drama from the /tactical/ side, here's our full archive, with a search function:
https://litter.catbox.moe/7nj5a2gnilgr64lg.html

>>107092493
>riro fucked her manager
There was never any evidence that they were even in the same country much less had sex
More likely she was just flirting with him to get special treatment so when the harem yab dropped he got butthurt and jealous so tried to nuke her reputation.

>>107091362
>it was a RP
Maybe. But if you think Riro wouldn't be willing to pickup a couple sugar daddies then you've clearly never been around slavic women. The beauty of this system is she can look at all the prospects and if they are too gross or not rich enough for her then she can just claim it was RP but if a whale that isn't nurgle tier comes along she can just discretely contact him.

>>107106202
can't blame her for checking out her options. the only difference between her and most of the other chuubas is that she got caught. just look at all these con-whores, they're all getting railed by the highest bidder. even the big, famous ones

>>107098464
>makes bank from acting cute and funny on camera
>noooo i must go back to my /k/ groomers
why are women like this

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>>107106773
>Woman would rather hang with high status males than with low status males
No way!

>>107102530
this guy is right btw
>>107102487
you're a /k/ faggot and it shows, you're trying to reframe a situation that is impossible to reframe.
She admitted multiple times she was just as parasocial as the viewers.
She masturbated to the thought of the viewers and let them know that, but you wouldnt know that because you stopped watching because you were mad that she wasnt paying attention to you.
youre trying to tell us that rye hated it but thats just obsessive fan talk.
the funny thing is youre exactly what you despise and i can see why you got into so many fights with boobros, you were jealous and angry that she would pay attention to them and not you.
you ruined her life and you feel nothing because you got what you wanted
just admit it at this point its so obvious you're projecting and always have been.
i bet youre one of the type of people that would instantly sabotage any relationship shes in

>>107107519
>high status males
>a bunch of literal pedos

>>107108244
Maybe they compare themselves to that one island

>>107107519
>High status
1 guy who can’t hold a marriage and was best buddies with a convicted pedo
Another was a fat fuck with a dead end job and massive ego
They all used to spend time threadshitting on /k/ and have their own discord groomer circle.
Rye has actually finally disassociated from one of them

>>107107519
>high status males
nah ive seen the doxx links, they're just a bunch of larpers. not one of them is rich
and all of them are fat as fuck
and fat people are mentally ill sooo

clearly the problem wasn't the shift in content, not even being cucked semi-publicly was a deterrent for the boobros. i'm sure she could have dropped the gfe and the asmr and people would keep watching her creative streams and karaoke.
what she did wrong is betraying a community that became close thanks to her, but that was so close that even she wasn't as important as the bonds created in that community.

>>107108555
from what i was told it had nothing to do with /k/ or the drama or even her. i think it was a family member telling her that he was bad news idk person i talked to was vague

>>107107519
nice bait

>>107108244
>a bunch of literal pedos
>1 guy who can’t hold a marriage and was best buddies with a convicted pedo
>fat fuck with a dead end job
>larpers. not one of them is rich
>all of them are fat as fuck
vs
>boobros
Again women would rather hang out with high status males than lower status males. In this case "higher" status as in the /k/ status is higher than boobros. Redpill 101

reasons for idol dying
1. aviel giving up and selling out
2. yuko being a fucking bitch to her most dedicated and supportive fans
3. going scorched earth on riro even though being able to fuck your oshi is awesome
4. their kneejerk reaction to the riro drama being a company-wide mandate to end gfe and lewd ASMR, which was literally the best thing about their talents

>>107099345
>masturbating on stream
Oh I thought you meant Yuko, she occasionally did that too
pent uppies iykyk

No matter what people here think of Rye, her controversy killed her career. She went from high 3 view to 2 view, lost most of her revenue and burned several bridges. She even admitted this herself. She mainly blamed idol corp for it. In past 2 years, she hasn’t even come close to her peak as Yuko in her year at idol corp.

>>107109289
WRONG
none of that matters. she showed her face on stream on purpose in a facestream and her face was UGLY ugguu uguu UGLYdesune kimochi warui desu and that killed her career

I'm afraid to ask but who is Pochi now (if she continued streaming) I miss her :<

>>107109413
>he doesn't know
you never really cared

>>107109413
she became a chihuahua

>>107109458
>>107109736
I googled and it seems like she quit entierly after one or two personas. Hope shes doin good.

>>107109336
Pretty funny her groomers were trying to convince everyone she was a 10/10

>>107109336
never happened

>>107109996
that's partially accurate. she returned to her PL and has since redebuted/rebranded it three times (new model, different but similar name) with an additional different persona on the side
her current twitter handle https://x.com/effinfox

>>107109336
i actually think yuko is pretty cute if you have a thing for plain-looking asian girls with the body of a teenage boy. but too bad she's a retarded bitch.

>>107088096
It's funny Yuko's paypigs moved on to Elfin and got cucked for a second time. Pathetic faggots

>>107091500
>creepy pedobait that looked like a 10 year old that got beat up and covered with wounds
But we love those

>>107099586
>>107099838
>>107100058
There are Hololive girls with Harems and Literally nobody complains

>>107102634
>Mikeneko's reputation is in the toilet, she's barely even relevant at this point.
Still popular, still loved

They didn’t invest in their talents correctly. Rin was their top dog and they could have done a lot with her. They also hired really boring people who dont know how to entertain on stream. They should have invested less in the more outwardly whorish girls they were always going to have a growing audience and should have put more money towards girls who were more like actual idols and could sing.

>>107108177
RUMAO, you really believe all that? gullible retard falls for RP kek. Poor ass-blasted boobro

>>107109336
are you gay, anon? she's cute, not a supermodel but a solid 7, would fap again

>>107115499
Pochi's new model was one of the biggest downgrades of all time, oof

>>107116039
it was close to being good. remove a few hairclips. make the eyes the same color. fix the outfit.

>>107116013
>a solid 7
Numbers for people don't exist, there are only 2 type of girls. Ones that you will fuck and ones that you won't

>>107110515
I thought Juna was cool with her but I remember Pochis's pl drawing something for juna's pl and the reply she got was a robotic "Thanks." Someone brought Pochi up in juna's stream like a couple months ago and she snapped at chat, making me think she's cut ties with Pochi. If Juna can't tolerate Pochi no one else can...

>>107088096
>Where did it all go wrong?
The fans, just look at this thread. The fans are cancer

>>107091500
>creepy pedobait that looked like a 10 year old that got beat up and covered with wounds
Wait. That's actually hot

>>107115432
Elfin just fucked around with 5 dudes and one the one was a boobro. The rest were from other fandoms afaik

>>107088264
This is the right answer but the /vtpol/ shitters ITT aren't gonna hear it.

>>107090725
It's almost like two things can be true or something.

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>>107098428
>>107098445
>>107098464
This guy is pretty spot on from my recollection as a tourist exploring the ruins of jidf.
I saved some of the links with these details from back in the day as souvenirs.
The parasocial interactions that caused their agony:
https://files.catbox.moe/mf2g6u.png
https://files.catbox.moe/6hk67r.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/zlri7p.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/n86t06.mp4

Not wanting to go back to working at Starbucks:
https://files.catbox.moe/1rznpi.mp4

Fortunately for them I also remember she did a face reveal as Rye when she first returned and her weird potato gremlin creature appearance mercifully cured the boobros of what they imagined they were missing out on. I don't have any pics from that though.

Always remember to take a moment to appreciate the scenery.

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>>107092493
>>juna male collabs (AFTER her first donothon mind you)
kys unikek

>>107105106
Mid-2024 would be after everything happened, so I'd assume there would be someone running around being an anti at that point. Otherwise if it was during the same time that /jidf/ was being raided like you posted here >>107105812
then it would likely be the same split of phase/kiwi/brown dramafags and the /k/fags doing it.

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>>107103512
>agricious
Egregious.

>/k/fags later get involved with the kirsche offkai stuff just as a sidenote if you're curious about the kind of people who gave a shit about that
kek I knew about most of the other stuff but not this

>>107118125
sorry meant to quote >>107098464

>>107103249
>>107103834
Imagine being retarded enough to ACTUALLY THINK Juna was dependent on schizo unicorn GFE bullshit.

>>107118125
>>107118161
It was mainly the head /k/fag, who decided to go to offkai that year on some retarded pseud psychological safari of vtubers/vtuber fans. But yeah he was the one who snuck Kirsche into offkai after she got banned, in a covert operation meant to be an epic fuck you to the lib offkai staff. By that I mostly mean he brought an ipad inside and facetimed her on it and hung around some trashcans.

>>107118025
I'm protecting agricious! Geronimo!

>>107116118
well then she is easily in the "would fuck" category

>>107105812
>fucking litter
https://files.catbox.moe/33ssiw.html

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>>107116454
It really wasn't. God damn that is one hideous model

>>107118176
uh, she went from being an up and coming star to vanishing off the face of the earth. Retard

>>107088096
They had more funding and subscribers than Phase, but never more viewers or more events. They just paid for a boatload of advertising.

>>107119928
>remove the nose bandage
>go with blue eyes
>remove 2 hairclips
>change the shirt
there model saved

>>107120043
you like them to look 8 years old and you'd leave the leg all slashed up?

>>107119928
ngl, I always thought this model was much hotter than her old one. Its too bad it was wasted.
They would have unironically been better off just having her stream a footcam instead of a live2d model.

>>107092513
Yep, the smaller corpos thrived during the Omega years.

>>107119955
Yeah, because she was trapped in a dead-end company with three /vt/ panderers and a zoomer twitch autist. No chemistry.

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>>107120215
I hope you're joking

>>107120279
untrue, you clearly didn't watch her. she had a lot of fun with the other girls and Fuyo seemed really close to her. She wasn't 'trapped' she was fine until she kneecapped herself with her male collabs

>>107120385
I remember when she redebuted from a cute shibe to a literal mutt for literally no fucking reason. People were forced to say they like it, only for her to continue not streaming a week or two later. The only group of fans who got done dirtier were Momo's/Mia's.

>>107103797
Former boobro here, you don't fully understand just how hard she was going into GFE content. It wasn't some minor thing it was fucking constant, like daily lovebombs, insane ASMR stuff, being a fan at her peak was literally eating good at all times. And really no one was fully mad when she made the stream saying she was going to stop, no the anger came when she nuked all of her members stuff without warning within 30 minutes.

>>107120470
one of the woman moments of all time. Her originally model was so cute and went along great with her accent

>>107120476
Why did anyone care? Were you *really* going to go archive all that shit just to jerk off to later? Come on. It just seems so petty to ditch someone for that.

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>>107120422
Literal fake fan or seething /jidf/ astroturfer. Just a few streams ago she talked about how she wanted to do male collabs much earlier but management hint hint nudge nudged her to wait until after her donothon.

>>107120545
Not a fan at all, I never liked Juna. She still tanked the fuck out of her career for doing that, whether she wanted to do it from the start or not.

>>107120545
>>107120422
Source: https://youtu.be/Fnqb6czlb5w?t=3420

>>107120533
>It just seems so petty to ditch someone for that.
It's not petty to drop an entertainer if they suddenly stop a major part of the content you were there for. And key point was it was members content, stuff people paid for. She nuked around 95% of it. That mixed with failed donothon goals says all one needs to know, why would one continue to support that?

>>107120533
>Why did anyone care?
I would figure that members of any vtuber would probably be a bit upset if without warning their oshi suddenly nuked all their members content.

>>107120588
Saying that about a vtuebr who never was even remotely gfe is literal shizo unicuck talk. "All girl vtubers are by default GFE until they male collab" is such retarded logic.

>>107120631
you don't pay for unlimited access to member post, you pay to support the streamer. When they graduate that all gets nuked too usually. I just know there are a lot of people who lose their oshi that would gladly take a content shift over them vanishing forever, I know I sure as hell would.

>>107120666
this argument is so disingenuous, the amount of people that actually go back and look at old member stuff after they've viewed it once is probably like 0.00001%

>>107120678
No, it's true, and the industry standard. You expect them to be normal, pandering vtubers until they prove otherwise.

>>107120719
Look man you clearly don't understand the problem, namely why should I keep supporting a girl who has shown her hand on how she felt about her fans. This wasn't just a "content shift" it was after months of bullshit and she chose to side with the group that hated her fans. Dropping her wasn't one thing, deleting members content just cemented what everyone was in denial about up to that point. You can see it in real time in the archives of /jidf/, she had defenders basically all the way up to that point, and that dried when she nuked members.

>>107116277
I can SAVE her. All I require in exchange are hourly footjobs.

>>107120873
I understand, I guess that's why I stick to watching streams and dont dip my toe into doxxfag and offline stuff. I don't want to know what's going on, because chances are I wouldn't like it. That goes for almost every vtuber. I'm not a Yuko stan or anything, I thought she was cute but boring. I just feel bad for her the way things turned out, getting ditched by her "fans" over deleting fap material.

>>107088096
I will never forgive Idol for spamming pcg.
Their 2nd generation debuted, and they were posting their streams on pcg. If you reported that shit, jannies ignored the reports. They were paid for a solid month after debut. They simply wanted to buy their way to the top. It was disgusting.
Hey, man, I'm happy you have a new generation, I'm happy that you have a million subscribers, I don't care, let me watch my chuubas in peace. I stay in my thread, you stay in yours.

>>107120719
>I just know there are a lot of people who lose their oshi that would gladly take a content shift over them vanishing forever, I know I sure as hell would.
And do you think they would be ok if their oshi showed her hand and outright confirmed she hated them? That the only vtuber that truly resonated with you hated you and didn't want your support? Because I can tell you it fucking sucks, nothing actually scratches the itch she did, I'm not one of those fucks who jumped ship to some other girls like the ones who jumped to Elfin or flooded any of the other small corpos, literally nothing fucking fills the itch but I'm not fucking watching her as Rye.

>>107120873
That's why I ditched Kronii, it wasn't the male collab stuff, it was the disdain she showed for her fans. Once that cat is out of the bag and you know how they feel, its impossible to really care about them again

>>107120941
>I guess that's why I stick to watching streams and dont dip my toe into doxxfag and offline stuff
You think I wanted to deal with that shit? I'd have been content with not knowing about any of it but kiwinigs and /k/fags kept shitting up /jidf/.

>>107120974
I just don't see her switching to PG-13 stuff and deleting old member stuff as saying "I HATE YOU" If she actually made comments like that then yeah I would have dropped her too. I do feel your pain, Fuyo basically did the same thing. I adored that little retard, but she basically told her fans to fuck off and she'd rather be a 1 view nobody than keep being Fuyo. It feels like shit, so I do get it.

>>107121012
I often wish I never even found this place, I'd probably be much happier and more content. All it does is piss me off most of the time.

>>107120719
Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don’t turn it off! It wasn’t my rrat! You shitposted me, I didn’t shitpost you! And I did what I had to do to watch streams! But somebody wouldn’t let us watch streams! And I come back to /jidf/ and I see all those faggots on the board, roasting me, doxposting. Calling me cuck and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to shitpost about me, huh? Who are they? Unless they’ve been me and been there and know what the hell they’re yelling about!

For me oshiless life is nothing! In the chat we had a code of honor, she said uppies, and I posted uppies. Now there’s nothing!

Two years ago we had ASMR's, karaoke's, she was seeing lower 4 view numbers. Now we don't even get consistent streams.

>>107121135
doxxfags should all get the rope, I agree

>>107121012
hang in there anon, perhaps one day that perfect oshi will ascend from the heavens and we'll all get great content forever with no drama

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>>107119928
it's funny though how one of the big reasons she hated her first model was because it wasn't loli enough only to end up not using a loli model after leaving

>>107121243
The Kwisatz Haderach of vtubing.

>>107098428
>>107098445
>>107098464
GFE is always a grift and loligrifting is one of the easiest ways to do it. Yuko was a lazy shit that handled everything poorly but I can get how doing whore content you hate can kill your desire to work.
Yeah fuck groomer circles but this shit has always sounded like one group of wannabe groomers sad that they failed against another one.

>>107120611
the part she mentioned about all the artists management recommended being loli artists.. HE had the same problem too. Emi, Neo and Lily were all nudged into using the models they ended up with

>>107120966
>phasepag whining about janny favoritism
lemao

>>107121054
a year later and you are still retarded

>>107121387
Aviel understood where the money was. Reminds me of how Coni had a slight redesign to add cleavage to her design, was kind of crazy to put her in a loli body considering how she is now.

>>107121544
coni started off with the cleavage and had it removed herself until people complained it looked weird so she added it back, and she's literally doing loli sex asmr with a new loli design

>>107121601
>and she's literally doing loli sex asmr with a new loli design
It's different anon you wouldn't get it.

>>107120215
Pochi probably has the best feet I've ever seen (from an EN)

>>107118583
I think I actually saw that irl. Chubby dude? Yuko really sank her career for that?

>>107088096
>They had more momentum than Phase
And look where that got them

>>107122607
deader than Aster's ingredients

>>107100784
Yes, all of it
These faggots were born to write these kinds of posts
We warned them

>>107121348
When you talk to her spited ex whales it's all it is
The way some will tell you how they went to aviel's discord to scream and send pages of shit to instead of charging back their money and dropping the bitch
A lot of them dropped 20k while knowing she came pre groomed and coped about how all that was phase raids, even now they bitch about it
Yeah of course a phasefag is going to laugh at you for it, doesn't mean she's not a whore
Have a little self restraint

>>107096352
Why the fuck are you entering an argument about who made more money and then getting upset when numbers are involved? Are you retarded?

>>107122889
Lmao years later and they're still looping that cope
It's making me nostalgic, these faggots will go to the grave coping about rin's subs and Yuko drinking piss gave her a week of decent ccv

so where's Gura

Yuko's face reveal was about equally as bad as the pedogroomer reveal, it's just easier to cope and blame the groomers

>>107124103
>gura out of nowhere

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>>107121601
I kinda prefer uohs with a little bit of booba, absolute cutting boards have no apeal.

Kinda curious whats her new @?

>>107119890
It's on litter because catbox doesn't serve HTML directly, retard. No one is going to be assed to save the file as txt and convert it to HTML.
Also allows for hotlinking directly to specific posts that way.
Still, I'm glad someone proved they cared enough to download the archive and rehost it, kek. I thought I was the only turbo-autist creating offline backups.