It's over.
>>107388219HOLOCOLLAPSE>HOLOCOLLAPSEHOLOCOLLAPSE>HOLOCOLLAPSE
>>107388219What I'm learning is that hololive should've tortured and sacrificed some more gaijins to make the jp side more stable and successful
>>107388219Ooof
aren't they both going through things
>>107388219>we appreciate your understandingUnderstanding of what? There's no explanation at all to understand what's happening.
HOLOPROTEST
>>107388219Sorry Holo, Phase is shooting for 1st place now
chama is understandable, but what doog doing?
>>107388454/Thread
>>107388454>chama and korosan won't perform at next fes, you understand?>yes>thank you
>>107388454Every hololive fan knows they are on health breaks, they don't make these announcements for tourists.
>>107388219I know Korone is dealing with family stuff, but this means Haachama is graduating next, right?
>>107388219Nice fake tweet
>>107388599isreal retard
>>107388219There's your next two graduations
>>107388550retard
>>107388550She called out the wrong people, looks like they will run down her contract to call it a graduation instead of termination, like with Ao.
>>107388219I love skimming through Holo bait threads these days. Since 98% of posts are from those who don't watch them or actively despise them.
>>107388219Cover is doing everything they can to destroy their reputation in 2025. There are stupid fans running damage control on social media but sure looks like a soulless corporation making a stupid decision. Haato was going out the door in a way that that was even more obvious than Gura (her graduation was almost guaranteed) but management giving a stealth suspension to Korone over a birthday gift to Kurageu Roa is a Nijisanji level mistake. Even if Korone decides to stay in Hololive she will never trust the company after this.>>107388542>Every hololive fan knows they are on health breaksKorone took a "health" break a few days after she gave a gift to an indie vtuber that used to work at Hololive. This sure feels similar to those mysterious health breaks with Ina, Sana, and Gura in 2022. Cover recently had 9 graduations with morale in the gutter it's extremely dumb for them to start handing out stealth suspensions.
>>107388219https://x.com/inugamikorone/status/1996196669071995343
>>107388714I love Holodrone bait posts. They completely ignore what they're reading if they've imagined even the tiniest slight.
90% of the posts in this thread are by the same 'thing'
>>107388740>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
So what now? Korone is not loyal enough, not dedicated enough, didn't give enough?
>>107388599https://x.com/hololive_En/status/1997229872201216241
>>107388847Yes. They assassinated her mom to teach her a lesson
>>107388219As a long time fan and shareholder, I am very disappointed by the mistreatment of Hololive livers by Cover Corporation.All these graduations are not natural for a company of this size. Something sinister is definitely going on.My bet is that the rumored 'Miko Clique' has been sexually assaulting the graduating livers behind the scenes. Pekora especially was a victim of this, but instead of leaving the company, she bravely stood her ground and disassociated herself from that pink menace.There are also rumors going around that Korone's mother was assassinated by Cover Corp's assassin branch, for not being loyal enough.I will be switching to NijisanjiEN to conduct my business and cheer for boys and girls in an environment where they are not abused behind the scenes.>>107388730I just ran this through DeepL and Good God... I hope our poor doggo is fine after all that abuse she has described. I really wish Japanese companies had wellness checks for jobs.
>>107388454chama has menhara episodekorone is grieving due to loss of family member
Well…
>>107388903Name one NijisanjiEN member
>>107388975I am not good with names, sorry.
>>107388975Zamzalam Wizardman
>>107388957It's unfortunate what happened to Premier A-chan. It is what it is.
>>107388714I mean, if you posted a week ago that Kanata was going to graduate, you'd be called a clipwatcher and an anti, but the moment the notice was up everyone went "yeah, we knew it was going to happen sooner or later". It happens all the time
>>107388488family sad times
cover has been keeping an eye on what the talents say and making sure they don't cross the line chama is on the next line to be terminated
>>107388975Gilzaren III season 2
>>107388219how many more must fall until they get rid of money sink dead weight shitters like picrel and failed projects like Holoearth? Their entire management needs to be replaced and get rid of their bloated staff and shift resources to what actually matters, Hololive Talents. stupid yagoon
TICK TOCK
When Korone has more people outside hololive she cares about than in I can see her leaving. I'm likely gonna leave at that point as well
>>107388714>actively despise themThat's me
it's outfit schizo againbut WITH GURA HEALTH BREAK KORONE STEALTH SUSPENSION bro, are you really this stupid or just that anti
>>107388975Rosemi Lovelock
>>107388219Insubordination is rewarded accordingly
>>107388722If you believe that please go to Canada and become a MAID the world will be better off without you.
>>107388219HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHNow watch holo DRONES defending a milti billion dollar corpo FOR FREE btw.
>>107388219why korone too?
>>107389914do your reps (family issues)
>>107390021oh, ok
>>107389863Doesn't this prove the opposite? That talents are free to opt out if they have health issues? Do you want them to be forced to rehearse and perform in that state?
>>107390079dunno bro, I was tempted to buy cover stocks earlies this year but it's not gonna happen now for sure
>>107389863Cover Corp is not worth even 1 billion dollars.
>>107390021>>107389914as in, multiple babies coming, she's full like a morning bus with half white babies!
>>107389362fuck off ernoul
>>107390206So the short bus then
>>107388449Yes, but it's SEAmonkey hours right now and if you expect these subhumans to have an ounce of class when they could be "shitposting" you've got a lot to learn.
>>107388219damn no sick flip then?
>>107388722hi outfitschizo
>>107388449Well Ao also went through things, even said she was looking forward to coming back in her last shorts.Then you know what happened.
Korone, understandable.Haachama, probably signals she will be gone soon given what happened.With how she was speaking in those last 2 streams, she sounded like she had already made her mind up. Given how hard she broke, I doubt they will be able to convince her a 2nd time to stay on. She almost quit last year and they managed to get her to stay as long as she could do some of the stuff she wanted to do, but they shafted her with the photo exhibit stuff (which was fully understandable, she could have tried to get other talents involved with it to make it more worthwhile, financially speaking).She ain't coming back as much as I hate to admit it. I just hope she doesn't give up on her photography adventures.
>>107388449Yes, also to add Haachama was not advertised as being at fifth fes but still ended up performing. Things can change, whether or not they do is another thing.
>>107388975Take your pick
>>107391159stump chunkmani've never felt so seen
>>107388449Korone is going through things, Haachama exposed Cover and the people who work for it live on stream, so she's probably going to get terminated unless she signs 500 NDAs that will shut her mouth forever.
>>107388219In 2 more weeks I presume?
>>107388714Now you understand how indies and other corpos felt two years ago.
Isn't Korone like 60yo now? It's hard to dance at that age unless you have good genes + super healthy lifestyle and a lot of exercise
>>107392646Nah, most of those criticisms actually made sense and based on streams / truth
https://x.com/inugamikorone/status/1997295540292436068Korone will still take part in the Expo
>>107392658Nah, she will still be at EXPO in person, she just won't be at Fes.They probably are recording Fes right now (or have just finished) and she can't make it due to her issue
>>107391532Haachama didn't talk about anything worse than what the other talents have been talking about in regards to Kanata graduating.
>>107388975Bob Vagene
>>107392811Neither other talents nor Kanata were shitting on Cover, though. They are all more in the sense of "that's how it works and it would've taken years for them to adjust".Haachama was full out in aggressive attacking mode
>>107392811Haachama did the same shit that got Rushia terminated. The fact that she hasn't been terminated yet shows they're trying to bend the rules for as long as possible to keep her officially employed even though contractually they should have fired her.
>>107392792People pretend not to understand this even though it's been this way in past years as well. Haachama literally got left out of Fes due to her hiatus at this time of year once before even though she returned long before Fes actually started. It was too late.
>>107388714>Since 98% of posts are from those who don't watch them or actively despise them.Holokikes tend to be like that.
>>107392748So were every criticism about Hololive lmao
>>107393052No. Rushia was an easy one because she went turbo menhera and became a massive laughing stock. You can say this happened after she was fired, but at that point everyone knew she had a thing for the alien twink and her gachicucks were going to stop buying merch regardless.Haachama is a different story because she trash talked Cover and straight up said her world has been "trampled upon". And that she's been working without pay for over 6 months. Those are her words verbatim. Not even corpo worshipping Japanese will overlook Haachama getting fired immediately following this incident. No, cover will keep her for a bit until her contract expires, and they won't renew her when it ends . Basically the same as what Phase did to Yuri.
The greatest to never do it.
>>107393091hahahaha thumbnail/ tweetreader GOD
>>107393539This.>Holotalents were not being paid and overworkedTruth>Blackrock conglomerates has shares and controls what Cover can and can't doTruth>Male collabs and destruction of unicorns planned by CoverTruth>Games like Hogwarts Legacy and otaku culture like lolisho got disallowed due to blackrock political pandering biasTruth>Cover's downfall started soon as they went publicTruth>Fans and shills are hypocritical and always use the "schrodinger's anti" argument when called outTruth
>>107392811Haachama is at fault for having a break down. Cover can't have that. They will kick her to the curb. OG talent must be removed for new management and talent that follows the line.
>>107393825>Haachama is at fault for having a break downJust like how torture victims are at fault for being permanently traumatized or dying after being tortured kek
>>107393825Nu-Holo fans might as well be psychopathic.
>>107393825fucking HDF man
>>107388219There are vtubers out there that are willing to put in 15 hour work days in rehearsal studio that would kill perform at fes.just ungrateful from talents that take it for granted
>>107394781Kanata overworked. Still has to do more work to do her own projects. no management help? health deteriorates faster. RetiresBut it was totally her choice guys!
>>107394781Yeah, they're the Holomems leaving from burnout
>>107390932ao hiring greenlit was the worst managemental decision to happen in hololives history
>>107388550haachama is probably in a psych hospital after all the suicide threats
anyone else kind of sad to see that Hololive turned into Nijisanji in the end. The clique rrats grow stronger as well because there is an obvious support network for the ones management give all their attention too. Individual talents are left behind in the pursuit of green.
>>107394985>anyone else kind of sad to see that Hololive turned into Nijisanji in the endOf course.
>>107388219Uhhhhh holobros?Who do we blame? Kurosanji? reddit? The pope?
>>107388219>the two holos with health issues cant rehearse and partake on a concertwow, shocking developments
>>107393825You should kill yourself
>>107388722>outfitschizo is hereno wonder the thread looks so retarded
>>107394985>how can I make this about nijisanji
>>107394985It's kinda weird for sure, and I've been following Vtubing since 2019. With Niji rather than 'clique' it was pure numbers. Those with high subs/CCV got everything while others were left to fend off by themselves.Current Niji still has that philosophy, but they're now more willing to include the new talents that they deem to have potential to grow like Lunlun, Hoshirube, Saotome and Nana. Obviously only talking about JP side since I never bothered following any EN chuubas.
>>107394985>anyone else kind of sad to see that Hololive turned into Nijisanji in the end.Would you believe me if I told you that Holos now also get only 2% from generic merch sales and that this change is one of the biggest reasons Gura left?
>>107388219retard you cant even pretend to be a fanhttps://x.com/inugamikorone/status/1997295540292436068
HehKarma's a bitch isn't it friends.I look forward to the continue downfall of Hololive.
>>107395025no Hololive should kill their middle management. Obvious politics at play 'representing' talents who are hardly doing enough work if the talents themselves are still taking the lead for lots of things. Their job is to 'be in meetings and take email' WOW the job is so hard why can't the talent just DO what I say.
>>107388219OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
>>107388714yeah but what about phase cucking their fans?
>>107395296Came to share this, thanks anon.
>>107390963>Haachama, probably signals she will be gone soon given what happened.What did happen tho?
>>107395244Meh, I don't think the rate was ever that big, the girls never really felt excited about any of that merch, only their personal anni/bd merch mattered to them since it had big return even if they had to fund it first. Generic merch is only Cover's problem, and basically a passive income for the talents. Even when it came to Niji it always felt like a forced meme, since it makes sense when you think about it for more than 2 minutes.
>>107388219>We will not force the girl with a parent loss and the other with mental problems to perform in 7th fesOmg, le black company!>Okay, then we will force the girl with a parent loss and the other with mental problems to perform in 7th fesI knew it, le bad company!It's over, Cover, you can't win here.
>>107388219that sucks, their performances are usually great
Hololive has always been a retarded company bleeding top talents, it succeeded entirely out of pure luck, from stuff like Miko saying nigg going viral, Ame being drawn by walfie, a fan mentioning Subaru sounds like a duck... or debuting an English branch prior to covid lock downs by pure chance.But dumb luck can only take you so far, I'm surprised they lasted this long given most vtuber corps barely live past a couple years.
>>107396040The thread was posted at 4AM eastern time, it's basically island monkeys running amok. If a single bad thing happens to a Holo they hoot and holler since their indie darlings and small corpo girls can finally stop taking losses for a few days.
>>107395640Summary is here. See picrel. It sucks to be feeding drama but well, at least be as fair as you can about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuRfPO2xxpg
>>107396040>HDF is here
>>107388454They made 2 different announcements for Haachama and Korone.
>>107388714>Since 98% of posts are from those who don't watch them or actively despise them.Seeing all the replies, it seems that wasn't far from the truth.
>>107393551Cover initially defended Rushia but while she was on hiatus, they fired her. The fanbase turned on her way after that. The only possible way Cover can justify Haachama keeping her job without undermining the termination of Rushia and Mel is if they really push the mental illness angle as an out for her actions. If she were any other Holo, termination would be the only acceptable option.
No Korone makes Fes 35% less interesting. Always anticipated what weird song she would sing. Now all I got to forward to is whatever banger Ina and Anya choose.
>>107396996I really wonder what kind of mental illness makes one cosplay as a hololive middle-manager.
>>107396996>Cover initially defended Rushia but while she was on hiatus, they fired her.you're leaving out that she was leaking shit to japanese keemstar
>>107388219I'm glad Korone is taking the time she needs.
>>107388219Not a big loss desu
>>107396996>if they really push the mental illness angle as an out for her actionsWould be disappointing if Chama backed down. She put herself in a world of shit but I respect her honesty and courage. Fuck Cover. She can do better than shilling for some black corpo and its soulless corporate partners. She should take her pain and passion somewhere where people appreciate it. I hope Kanata finds her place too.
>>107390921>hi outfitschizoWould love to be wrong about this but Haachama is most likely gone and Cover will do the same thing they did with Ao in which they delay the graduation announcement to minimize the damage. Korone is valuable so it's only a stealth suspensions but that is demoralizing. Ina recovered from the 2022 stealth suspension "health" break and the 2024 work visa "mistake" but it's usually a bad sign. Gura and Shion were vanishing for months but they still attended Holofes so the situation with Korone might be getting worse. While the JP talents do lose a huge percentage of fans when they leave Hololive there are signs that many talents don't like the direction of the company. >>107389732Cover bootlicker step back and consider that HoloEN will never have another 4.7 million subscribers vtuber. Even if Cover is still debuting new gens in the EN branch for the next 10 years they will never surpass Gura because of the unique circumstances of the Myth debut (the early stage EN vtuber boom, little competition in the EN market, and government enforced lockdowns). Management had to make some really dumb decisions to lose 9 talents in 12 months so there is a good chance that Hololive will have more graduations in 2026.
>>107397227And you're leaving out that Cover fanned the flames, which made Rushia go to korekore.>Our most superchatted talent is trying to deny being in a relationship? Let's make a statement saying it's totally fine for our talents to date people in private!They made her go on a hiatus, then practically confirmed she was dating the ayylmao. Had everybody involved just shut up and let the drama pass, Rushia might still be in Hololive, for better or worse.
>>107395025Based holochad
>same 3 niggers speedrunning their essayslike clockwork
>>107398665Lying nijinigger
>>107388219wololo
>>107388219YEAH COVER ? GUESS WHO ELSE ISN'T PERFORMING.Clue : ...At least chama made it back from a 6 months pause that skipped fes before... And Korosan... Well... I just hope she's ok.
>>107388219KWAB
>>107388219thank god
>>107396271Woof, that video has really taken off and spread around, up to 93k views and 946 comments. I remember when I first found it a few days after it had been put up, it had less than 2k views and 50 comments and the main Holo discord did not want it shared publicly.Pandora's Box can't be sealed shut forever.
>>107400420Slow grind yeah.>last upload 4 years agoIt's not the algorithm doing this either.
>>107388449Pregnancies and marriage
>>107388903>and shareholderNo wonder you feel disappointed for investing in cover instead of anycolor
>>107396271https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuRfPO2xxpgOkay that makes sense and Akai Haato was implying that she was going to be an indie vtuber but that Cover twisted her arm so that she would delay her graduation until next year. When she talked a few months ago about shedding her skin that now makes a lot of sense because that is what a Hololive talent does when they redebut with a new vtuber model. She also got noticeably angry when someone implied that Rushia did something wrong and that she doesn't want to die alone. With her very blunt statements about fans letting Cover hide stuff that is inconvenient for the company it sure does sound like the JP talents are getting tired of the unicorn shit. Also Japanese mental hospitals sound like absolute Hell and it is really is the saying that "the beatings will continue until morale improves".
>>107388219>Idolshit I will not watch.Where are the video games?Where are the consistent streams?Where are the no collabs?
>>107393052>Haachama did the same shit that got Rushia terminateddisregard all drama incels, no Haato did not leak NDA info to a 3rd party.
>>107388219tl;dr on both? I only remember chammers had a woman moment some time ago
>>107388975Bandage. I will never forget that name. My last words on my deathbead will be "Bandage. What the fuck. *Bandage*"
Thanks Lumi...
>>107401692Of course they weren't okay and Promise was demoralized when they lost Fauna and Mumei. Council was technically the first gen to have 3 graduations and they would have been the first 2 talent Hololive gen had they not added IRyS. HoloEN is not a sinking ship like NijiEN but 2025 has been a Hell of a year.>>107402297Cover allows for a certain amount of complaining over small issues but you know that Haachama went beyond that with the VOD that got deleted. Altare got a long stealth suspension for complaining about his 3D suit not getting fixed (a moderate complaint but he still couldn't stream on his channel for 3 months) and what Haachama said was more directly aimed at management. She was already thinking of shedding her Hololive skin but after that VOD it feels like that is going to be sooner rather than later.
>>107388607I'll believe Haato is graduating when I see the fucking announcement and not a day sooner.
Everyone who watched Korone knew she was going to graduate the day her mother dies, we've known this for 4+ years
>>107388903>shareholderyou should be talking with the shareholder that advocated this shit, not taking it out on us for whatever goddamn altruistic reason you think you have
>>107388219Figured. Best of luck to them. Hopefully we'll see them at the next one when everything's sorted out.
>>107396062Agreed, they always deliver memorable performances.
>>107388722>Outfitschizo outed at the second reply.lol, lmao even
>>107393786Nothing of this is truth.
>>107388449yes but that won't stop OP
>>107388219It's over for your mom's pagpag shop, brown. Doog already ssaid she's gonna be back soon.
>>107389362Keep them coming Vox's sex slave
>>107398415>Gura and Shion were vanishing for months but they still attended Holofes so the situation with Korone might be getting worseThe first big sign with Gura should have been them taking Gura off the Euro beat cover thing when they already had an art with Gura in it. Also the scraping of Fauna and Mumei dungeon off of EN Reco 2 should have been a wake up call. Korone also getting closer Gura towards the end (when it was always Okayu) and promising to publicly to take Gura to Disneyland (Haachama gave that a whole new meaning and Kiara and Mori doing their own Myth Disney trip--suggests EN don't get invited to the Holo Disney trips)
>>107388219Korone said she'll be doing side-line stuff and the pre-show events still. But this hurts>no shion>no Ao>no kanata>no haachama>no korone>raora still recoveringWe're down like, 10 members from last fes. All good talent too. DEV_IS will have to carry...
>>107407676>no shion>no Ao>no kanata>no haachama>no korone>raora still recoveringNeglible desu
>>107407801>t. ESL Scum
>>107388219What even is the worth of a vtuber fan if they act like crows over a vtuber losing her mother? What are you people even fans of? What do you enjoy? Why are you here spending your lifetime like that?
>>107388219grim
>>107407967You are talking to phasecucks seething their whores got passed around by the homostars again so all they got left is to shitpost LEL
>>107407676>DEV_IS will have to carry...They will, the strength of Hololive is succefully passing the torch to future tallent
Hololive could survive off Marine, Pekora, and Miko alone
>>107388449They're Indonesian and don't have a good grasp on English, preasu undastan
>>107408083>the strength of HololiveWas pretty clearly the talent-first, free-spirited culture which they have completely dismantled over the course of 2 years.>DEV_IS will have to carryWhen this becomes Holo's model -- squeezing talent like lemons until they're dry and discarded, and then their fans acting like it's some virtue -- I'm out.
>>107388219Blackrock did it again
>>107407967>What even is the worth of a vtuber fan if they act like crows over a vtuber losing her mother?What is the worth of a vtuber company that would lie about a vtuber's sick mother to cover up a stealth suspension? Cover is really going downhill if that is the reason why Korone will be missing from HoloFes. Also with so many Hololive graduations because of disagreements with management they have given fans every reason to be cynical.
>>107388449yeah both dont bend down to the Lesbian Clique
>>107388449yeah every holo is going through things and is graduating at a higher rate than ever. but its all fine
>>107410252
>>107408083DEV-IS can't carry sh*t.This was never about the "quality" of the performance, is all about "YOUR OSHI" doing it.
>>107410528DEV_IS are actual performers and entertainers. Every gen has 1-2 good idol talent, but DEV_IS mogs these mems that clearly signed on to be le funny streamers. I don't blame an idol agency for wanting good idol talent. I cheer for the oshis that want to be there, performing, dancing, singing, and all the pain and sweat that goes with it. Because it's inspirational. People that have never strived to achieve anything in their lives wouldn't get it.
>>107404622Keep coping Holocuck lol
Wasn't Haachama also announced to not be part of a HoloFes before yet actually joined at the end? Haachama and Korone could recover in time for a last minute solo performance.
>>107411333Kek, keep coping
>>107398415bruh all i said was hi and you continue to go off. take a walk outside for christ's sake. the fresh air might do ya some good.
>>107413008I doubt Haachama will be able to join from a padded cell.
>>107413524do you think fubuki has visiting rights
>>107411241striving to fill some exec's balance sheet won't be inspirational no matter how talented someone is.
>>107388219If the talent recently finished Elden Ring chances of a graduation increase by 50%
>>107407676>raora>fesWho in his sane mind wants to hear a tone deaf girl sing?
I've seen this shit thread get bumped from page 10 at least 10 times now. It's older than certain generals.
Korone was one of the 3-4 people having good performances at the holofes, it's over
>>107402770Outfitschizo, I noted how you stopped bringing Gura's pseudo lilo model, since her redebut.
>>107388449Haachama's on extended leave after her brainworms episode and Korone's mom is hospitalized (potentially hospice)
>>107417481Fuck the generals they are boring lol
>>107388219Two more from the holofes perfect attendance crew to miss a fes.
>>107388757Being a holo fan is that easy
>>107388449Haachama is suspended pending being fired for having an epic menhera crashout on stream. Korone is on a stealth suspension for interacting with ex-members but probably won't get fired. Probably.
>>107422300thanks for the info miko
Why is Korone graduating?
>>107390273Ernoul is based tho
>>107389362>we need to cut costs and kick people outnot even nijisanji does this
>>107388714>Since 98% of posts are from those who don't watch themDamn, 2%? That's higher than the amount of holodrones who watch them.
>>107389362Like always its so easy to see the people who have personal stakes into pushing for more cutting. I want the talents read all of them to not have to deal with retarded paper pushers, you want to use this opportunity to get rid of people that you feel are a danger to you dating the talent...we are not the same. Fuck off
>>107428575Ernoul is a literal cuck though
>>107414944I'm sure they all do, they just don't exercise them.
>>107392811>Haachama says she hasn't been paid in half a year>Haachama says they refuse to let her graduate >Haachama complains about them getting her while she was in highschool then taking advantage of her and ruining her youth >Haachama complains about management playing favorites >Haachama complains about them keeping people in debt When did Kanata say anything like that
>>107436120Kanata wasn't shy about criticism, did you not pay any attention to her. It's clearly different because Haachama didn't make a deliberate prepared statement, and they're different people with different lives. But in terms of speaking to their experiences without the usual filter designed to comfort Holotoddlers, yes, they're doing something very similar.
>>107433684No, he's not.
