wait they had a QnA already? when was this?

>>89992770
Idgaf push the second one

wud?

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Gee I really wonder why female fans are scared of joining this community.

>>89993405
Good, keep them out

>>89993259
I always knew Unicorns were in this for the culture war brownie points and not the content.

>>89993610
Give me one good reason why after 5 years that Holostars should continue to stay when the members don’t even try to grow?

>>89991746
he said holo girls can attact female fans tho? he focused on girls instead of holostars here you illiterate

>>89991746
>Aim to do less homo content and not care about sisters.
Based, I don't see the problem.

>>89993821
>>89993871
I wish Yagoo could just terminate the branch then

>>89991746
>TikTok
That's how you know yagoo is just talking out his ass when you see management not really doing much promotions and advertisements on shorts or tiktok for hololive, often just relying on talents that has content creation experience doing it by themselves but only after an extensive tedious review process to get perms for just a simple short. They never really fully follow things through

>>89993821
he avoided the topic just like they do in their financial reports, because justifying their existence to investors with numbers would be impossible

I remember Tempus trying a Twitch outreach marathon. How bad did their Twitch invasion fail? Any Homosisters willing to talk about it? Or has it been completely memory-holed?

>>89993967
holo is spamming shorts on yt and tiktok on their main channel. what are you talking about

>>89993997
thats good then.
i think they finally realized homostars is failed project. hopefully termination soon

>>89994125
The problem is that the majority of the people watching these shorts are from Indonesia (according to Marine)

>>89994224
she only check kumarine shorts (the one with 25M).
get your fact together

>>89993405
Why are flip like this?

>>89994224
whats the problem here?
we are talking about men and women audience right?

>>89994036
Mostly memory-holed. Nowadays I think even starmin forgot it even happened

>>89994378
We need less indo viewers, most of them are worthless, they have no memberships, they don't use supas, and they certainly don't buy merch.

>>89993676
Your statement is proof in itself.
You do not care about all the anecdotes the older talents tell about Yagoo actually giving a shit about his employees and being there during their toughest moments.
You do not care that the treatment he gave to the middling female talents back then are the same as the one he gave to the male talents now.
You do not see past the irony that hololive wouldn't be as big today if he only chased for profits.
You only see with your hate, you do not care for the girls, in an effort to see your favorite corpo climb the ladder in profits and popularity you forget the humanity underneath.
You dare think you're speaking on behalf of the fans when your oshi is capitalism itself.
You should be a kurosanji shareholder instead since your line of thinking fit their kin better.

>>89994651
>middling female talents back then
Hololive is at the top of the market from Sora’s debut and then to the absolute unmatched top from sankisei’s debut. There was never any “middling” Holo girl, specially in comparison to the rest of the market and in comparison to the Holostars.
For more than four years now the only vtubers that can match a Holo girl is another.

The Holostars first debuted in 2019, five years ago. It’s my opinion that enough time passed to prove it’s nothing particular to them, their brand, the support the company gives them or whatnot, it’s more that
>there is no sufficiently large market for male vtubers for any to achieve any greater success than they experience now
Brave tried, Cover tried, VShojo tried, Neo-Porte tried, Noripro tried, all sorts of medium and small corpos tried and they all achieved the same result
>mediocre numbers, lack of audience support and ultimately, abandonment
It’s not possible that ALL of those, with every difference in their approach, got it wrong.
There are about 12 tracked male vtubers in 2024 with a live audience outranking Sora and Roboco (the first two Holo talent). There are four (or five) outranking them in subs. That’s it, that’s the size of the male vtuber market.

The Holostars are lucky they’re in a good considerate company that won’t cut a branch because of performance. Their audience should count their blessings and enjoy whatever time thrill have left with their favorites because it’s very h likely they’ll ever be as supported as they were in 2022

>>89994626
so how do you prevent them to watch?
this is stupid

>>89995015
>There are about 12 tracked male vtubers in 2024 with a live audience outranking Sora and Roboco (the first two Holo talent)
Hey that's not fair considering the niji strat of simply lying about popularity

>>89995015
https://youtu.be/RnE-8Sy_XQc?si=pPtryTJQbs757549
https://youtu.be/q-jporpTqTQ?si=XOx5AQIVoGLvIFHC
https://youtu.be/fva9tMPew8s?si=ZYxJP_pYsWXGxeBu

>>89994651
The issues is that the stars act like they are Hololive girls when they are still in the "growing phase"
Astel was popular for a bit doing his cursed act and he dropped it because he dont like it then started streaming on Shion schedule
Tenma plays Mario Kart by himself 350 days/a year. Only Roberu puts in the effort to reach out and brand himself and it shows in the result.

There are so much avenue for growth for vtuber in Japan, outside of VCR you have STOGRA which is home to a lot of rising JP vtubers these days. Meanwhile the lazy stars just want to hole themself in a corner, doing idol stuff as if they are the mainstream hololive girls.
None of them put in the effort of gaybaiting. Nijisanji/kuzuha/vox/kanae/touya didn't grow as big as they are playing games. The female audience demands gaybaiting. Even the top of hololive like fubuki/suisei actively participate in gaybaiting.

And I simply don't know what the fuck Uproar is doing.
Tl;dr they don't put in the effort, don't get results and cry about management.

>>89995260
(me) https://youtu.be/N5uGCFyo-QQ?si=WWyglpE1ICLe71k8

>>89991746
why would you need female viewers
there's already plenty people that joined hololive exactly because they were watching holos

>>89995349
When 99% of male vtuber fans are alr watching you, the only way to expand is to attract female fans.

>>89995405
oh it's the infinite growth meme
i forgor

>>89995260
>>89995289
Anon, all of those events were on year zero of Miko, which was part of a solo project (the Sakura Miko Project) until she was onboarded into Hololive.
She debuted mid 2018 (and lasted in that sad state for a couple of months to a year), the Holostars branch was created not long after in mid 2019.
I would 100% agree with “they only need more time and more support” if the Holostars were a newly founded branch but they’re FIVE YEARS now. It’s not that “they only need a little more support to brave through these challenging times”, they were given every tool, every piece of support, equal opportunity to succeed and yet, they didn’t.
That ties in with the point made above: if Brave, Cover, NeoPorte, NoriPro, VShojo and a litany of small medium and micro corps tried and failed, all with differing strategies maybe it’s not that they did it incorrectly but that
>there is no sufficiently big market for male vtubers for them to succeed

>>89995405
AKA driving away male fans.

>>89995015
>12 tracked male vtubers in 2024 with a live audience outranking Sora and Roboco
Kanae & Kuzuha far outranked Suisei when it comes to album sales. They are 3 times bigger than her.
Kanae streams on both twitch and youtube, separately, putting in more stream hours than Koyori or literally any other vtuber.
Touya regularly pulls 100-200k CCV streams.
Strawberry Prince is mainstream status and more popular than any hololive girls, they are less streamers but more idol
Even if you look outside of JP, Nijisanji just has a huge crash and their yaoilover audience definitely have scattered by half and ripe for the taking (which First Stage Production is trying to do)
The market is there, all you need is engage in a bit of gaybaiting. Which even fucking male twitch flesh streamers (sykkuno) does. But it is so below them. They would rather just play mario kart alone for the 6051st time.

>>89991833
https://minkabu.jp/news/3697618
Article from August 2023, before Regloss even debuted

>>89995283
>they are still in the "growing phase"
The branch is five years old. They’re not in that phase for a long time
>There are so much avenue for growth for vtuber in Japan, outside of VCR you have STOGRA which is home to a lot of rising JP vtubers these days.
That’s indistinguishable from VCR which the holostars all participated, to even worse numbers than their regular content.
>None of them put in the effort of gaybaiting. >Nijisanji/kuzuha/vox/kanae/touya didn't grow as big as they are playing games.
Vox grew big out of a mostly Chinese adolescent audience which boarded and left the fandom as predicted. Kuzuha and Kanae numbers come almost exclusively from their gaming numbers (for their live audience) and what anon dismissed about the holostars: their “idol” activities through Chronoir.
The reality is that Nijisanji turned their whole company into “feeders” and “fluffers” for Chronoir and ROF-MAO where the rest of the cast is supposed to be supporting cast for these to shine in protagonism.
Funnily enough, that was also working for Luxiem on NijiEN and the word on the street is that that aborted 2023 AR Live was supposed to be for them alone, then the rest of NijiEN protested because of the favoritism.

>>89995537
>Strawberry Prince is mainstream status and more popular than any hololive girls,
They’re not vtubers tho. PLAVE likewise, both are virtual boy bands in a completely different market with each other (and Gorillaz and Daft Punk as direct equivalents).
>Even if you look outside of JP, Nijisanji just has a huge crash and their yaoilover audience definitely have scattered by half and ripe for the taking (which First Stage Production is trying to do)
>The market is there
Man, that’s proof of the OPPOSITE, if the one company that found modest success with male vtubers is tanking why do you believe the companies with a string of failures in that same market in their cardex will succeed?
As for first stage productions, their cast has less subs and a smaller live audience than even the Holostars. I wouldn’t bank on them doing any better than the hundreds of previous attempts at that market.

>>89995681
>they are still in the "growing phase"
The point is that they are lazy and act as if they are in Hololive proper which is already past the "growing phase". Rather than trying to grow, they just sporadically streams shit noone care about and not engage with other people.
Even in hololive you have fubuki & koyori who are massive grinders that people don't even know when they go to sleep and they are simply 1 of many.

I'm saying they should try to grow the branch rather than leaving it on limbo.

Show me one person in holostars not named Roberu with even half the work ethic of Fubuki/Koyori.

>Chinese adolescent audience
Japanese have them too. Where do you think the word "fujoshi" came from, did China invent a Japanese word, this audience didn't left kuzuha and kanae.

>>89995818
The only other notable one is Rikka who tried to reach out to other vtuber, but he's always out half of the year due to tummy hurt.

>>89995015
>Hololive is at the top of the market from Sora’s debut
This is a somewhat misleading information. When she debuted there were only about 20-30 vtubers in total. The community is still tight knit so any kind of debut will be on everyone's radar but it doesn't mean it's raining money for Sora. If you're not Oyabun or the 4 kings you're probably not making profit.

You are again assuming that every single part of a company needs to grow exponentially. Infinite growth is an unrealistic model. Every single unicorn who tried to attack Holostars always quoted the income when it's never always about the money from the start. It's about finding an idol for as many people as possible. Does the fact that they're hiring both fuwamoco (very GFE) and ERB (anti-GFE) not make it clear for you?

>>89995283
this I somewhat agree with, but speaking of effort, it's a vicious cycle. Not being popular means all holostars needs a side job to keep themselves afloat, and having another job means they don't have the energy to put in all the effort. Not all holostars would whine this hard if the female market is actually as big as the male market.
It's also contradictory to say that Roberu had results when he's one of the holostars who gaybaited the least.

>>89995015
>Hololive is at the top of the market from Sora’s debut
Anon, Miko was a 2 views, stfu

>>89995537
>Kanae & Kuzuha far outranked Suisei when it comes to album sales. They are 3 times bigger than her.
except its not, they are on par. but suisei still take the number one spot. and fyi, kanae and kuzuha album are tied to ticket sales for sololive. basically forcing nijimonkey to buy album if they want to buy ticket for sololive

>Touya regularly pulls 100-200k CCV streams.
still lying i see, why lying when it was so easy to check ccv nijimonkey?

>wants to attract more female viewers
If those weird SEO approved article sites are accurate, women (in the normie crowd at least) like men who can build shit and cook good food, so how about Woodworking, Cooking or just more hands-on type streams, but not like silly streams where they fuck around, they need to be legit about it, send these dudes on a course or something.

>>89995490
Since you probably don't care about Star, I don't blame you, but whatever favour you think they have, they certainly don't have it anymore. Astel's tweet a while ago makes it clear that Star now has to fund itself to exist, if they don't sell out their limited merch or concert ticket in a day, they will have a crisis.

>>89995905
>>89995981
!!!

>>89995923
Roberu don't gaybait, but he does shipbait with Mea.
There is always a demand for shipbaitting. Tons of (non-vtuber) org grew out of shipbaiting like OfflineTV. Even NijisanjiJP was deeply trenched in shipbaiting with Hoshikawa until she grew popular enough to stop it.
Astel was popular for a bit doing shipbait, but he got lazy and kept to himself again

Gaybaiting, shipbaiting, trash cleaning, anything is fine. Literally just do anything. But no they won't. Crying about management is easier.

>>89996014
what is trash cleaning? I know gaybaiting and shipbaiting but I never heard of this term before.

>>89996014
if they try to shipbait with the girls they get death threats

>>89995818
>Japanese have them too. Where do you think the word "fujoshi"
I’m familiar with that audience. They have no shortage of alternatives to vtubers in Japan (and in Korea and North America as well, another hotspot where that audience is high paying highly engaged) with entire segments catering to them.
The reason Luxiem ended up becoming a hit with that audience in china is a combination of first mover, lack of other vtubers catering to that market and luck of the draw.
But female adolescent audiences everywhere have a limited shelf life: they’ll latch on the first ensemble that catches their eyes, roll with them for a couple of years then grow out of it.
The way boy bands solve that is by releasing a new disposable boy band every three years, time enough for the old to get the max of the investment and just in time to catch the next 13-15 years old batch of girls that will stick around until they’re 18.
I’ll repeat: if with every different attempt in the vtuber market the number of moderate successes can be counted in one hand, maybe that’s the size of the market.

>>89995923
>You are again assuming that every single part of a company needs to grow exponentially.
I am not. I am saying something completely different
>the size of the male vtuber market is small enough that the current players probably reached their potential, with the Holostars being among the groups whose audience is actually getting smaller as the time passes.
I don’t know what you are talking about unicorns but certainly that has nothing to do with my replies so it would be nice to not sidetrack with silly culture war points

>>89995927
See >>89995490 and it’s disingenuous to compare year zero of “Sakura Miko Project” with year five of the holostars.
Miko was a two views in 2018, the holostars were founded in 2019 AND there are Holostars that debuted in 2022 reaching two views IN THIS VERY YEAR
It’s easy to understand why one would justify an investment in a year zero project while being skeptical of a continued investment in a project five years down the line returning worse results than two years prior.

>>89996184
From their fan? since Astel dropped the curse act because of his fan and not others.

>>89993676
If they’re generating more revenue than it takes to keep them afloat then i don’t really care.

>>89995981
>but whatever favour you think they have, they certainly don't have it anymore.
I’m not sure that’s my point. My point is a much more general one, whose summary is
>the Holostars lack of relative success is not a product of lack of investment, lack of talent or anything particular about the way they produce their content
>It is actually a product of a market that’s not big enough to support any bigger success than that, and the fact multiple other companies with multiple other strategies and multiple other talents met the same lack of success demonstrates that

>>89996310
My point was that they are not wasting resources now. and they are fine to keep around.

>>89996271
That’s a sensible position but I think it ends up hurting them more than a simpler argument
>I like them and wish for their continued existence regardless of financial matters or size of their audience
If it were merely a revenue thing Cover would be more than justified to axe them on the resources required to keep them alone, which would be much better employed in more Hololive vtubers.

>>89996271
they are using girls resource to keep operating tho.
all the studio time wasted for them

>>89996143
it was a joke asking them to try to do anything at all
>STOGRA That’s indistinguishable from VCR which the holostars all participated, to even worse numbers than their regular content.
It's this mentality of "this is work below me, I'm bigger than this" that I'm tired of. No you are not bigger than this. Some of you are literally two-views. You should try throwing everything at the wall until one sticks and you get popular. Not be complacent as if you are Kson getting signed into Vshojo.

>>89996343
they have managers, studio times, 3D, vocal/dancing teachers and staffs which are on Cover's payroll.
There are also promotional material which Cover pay for advertising them.
This is the same mentality of "uber lose 0 money just assigning drivers why are they not profitable"

>>89996201
>>89996310
If Holostars is not making waves but not a money drain either, then it's logical to just let them stick around indefinitely. It doesn't make sense why you want Cover to close shop even if the market size is capped. The amount of time passed is irrelevant.

What's with so many holostars bait threads recently? Did the Altare tweet gave doomposters a second wind?

Anything to get more girls at Hololive events sounds good to me.

>>89996962
It's the age old catalog thread about hololive fans arguing whether or not to disband holostars, and will continue into perpetuity until either yagoo pulled the plug or one of them got famous. No doomposters, only cynics.

>>89996962
idk what you talking about but these thread seem better quality than normal bait thread. a lot of genuine disscusion. no sexpest insult atleast

>>89996962
Altare tweeted yesterday my guy. It isn't just one tweet. He complained about it on his roommate account as well.
The funny thing is if you post the roommate shit you gets called doxxed and post removed, but people did the exact same shit with Ver's roommate on another catalogue thread, it's fine it can stay up.

>>89997228
qrd? what he complain about?

>>89995923
Fuwamocco isn't even GFE

>>89997313
yea they are BSE (baby sitter experience). though when in collab, they get to interact with other girls instead of their fan, they really shine.

>>89997228
Again nothing ultra serious, people are acting like his personal problems involved the entire branch.

>>89993676
>>89994186
>This writing style
Ah i see, maybe you're the one that's making this threads aren't you anon?

>>89997775
What’s the matter starsister? Upset about the cold hard truth

>>89996878
Enters hate marketing guy with no self reflection on how it affects other star members reputation and his entire branch as a whole. It's a liability if things like this continues to occur which could even affect the main branch where the bulk of the money for their salaries comes from. Just because Hololive is big doesn't mean it should willingly let its reputation get ruined, those things are hard to build up.

>>89997908
Well that is agreeable. Jurard could go. But most holostars are inoffensive.

>>89997908
If Rushia can't affect anyone in Hololive, neither can Jurard.

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>>89991746
They've realized that getting women via tiktok doesn't require the males anyway with Marine and Suisei both having had their MV content go viral. Raden's funny songs going viral into the mainstream etc.

>>89993610
I love falseflagging too sis

>>89991746
hes right, female talents will get more female fans than the faggy botbuying menhera homos

>>89996271
their continued existence facilitates begging and baitposting. the fan experience would be better without them around. revenue reports don’t show how much more the girls would make without the homo chain

>>89998310
Rushia is still used to this day to chase off new potential audience from checking out Hololive with misinformation being spread that she was terminated for having a boyfriend.

>>89997228
i got it now. bro is a kamala voter.

>>89999420
should have take 4 years break then

>>89995539
>Article from August 2023
OP is a nigger.

>>89996591
>It's this mentality of "this is work below me, I'm bigger than this" that I'm tired of.
My point is the exact opposite. Anons suggested "try STOGRA". They tried VCR. It did even worse for them than their regular streaming. STOGRA would likely result in the same.
It's not that they're trying wrong, it is that they're trying right and failing anyway for lack of market.

>>89996878
>If Holostars is not making waves but not a money drain either, then it's logical to just let them stick around indefinitely.
Outside of everything I said about the lack of a sufficiently big market for male vtuber, there is one thing that is particular about the Holostars that makes their continued existence something more than merely
>break even, no loss no profit
The expectations of their audience is FUNDAMENTALLY incompatible with the main Hololive audience and that goes SPECIALLY for the audience of their EN branch of the Holostars.
There is a reason it is easy to identify members of their audience by their vocabulary, they want "unhinged" content, "mind broken" boys and girls, conflict and disagreement.
Meanwhile the general Hololive audience wants "te te", girls playing by the rules while on occasion being bold and breaking them by saying "damn!", wholesome heartwarming content.

There is such a fundamental difference between what the holostars audience expects and the general vtuber audience (VShojo, Nijisanji, Phase Connect) audience expects and what Hololive provides that it makes it impossible to cater to both audiences at the same time.
For Hololive competitors that's not an issue, if they wanted to watch "Hololive style" vtubing they would watch Hololive in the first place but the Holostars audience believe, by virtue of both agencies be under the same production company, that the company should cater to their preferences and adapt their content to be more of their liking.
It creates PERMAMENT conflict between both audiences, with each wanting something diametrically opposite styles of content.
If they were each their own separated agency (like Brave treats their agencies, with AStars being one thing, YUMENOS being something different and VSPO being something else) it wouldn't be a problem but the Holostars audience is deadset in the belief that
>because Holostars are under Hololive Productions, Holostars are Hololive and Hololive audience and Holostars audience are one and the same
which is patently false.

The biggest liability the Holostars bring to Hololive right now is exactly this, the company having the obligation and trying to cater to both agencies as if they were part of the same whole makes it a permanent conflict between one audience wanting something and the other wanting something completely else.
That goes way beyond financial motivations, it is a fundamental incompaitbility that can't be solved in any way other than either complete separation or picking a side and sticking with it in detriment of the other.

>>89998765
>their continued existence facilitates begging and baitposting
only in this board, that the majority of the fandom will not visit and may not even be aware of. most fans on both sides, including the paypigs, are unconfrontational and will ignore the other side.
>revenue reports don’t show how much more the girls would make without the homo chain
and unless you are an accountant working for Cover, neither do you. the scenario where revenue from the girls will spike to cover the loss of holostars is largely unfounded. For starters none of us even knew what the true monetary value of holostars is since Cover is hiding it.

>>89999927
>For starters none of us even knew what the true monetary value of holostars is since Cover is hiding it.
I'll be blunt here: there is no greater evidence to the point you are trying to refute than this exact fact.
There is zero reason to hide something unless it would paint the worst possible picture out of something

>>89999883
what the company thinks is the only thing that matters. and with the lesson they learned from starEN and HLZNTL. it is safe to say they would never try that stupid shit again. you should free yourself from the fearmongering of this board.

>>90000093
no? Hololive is growing tremendously and Star is stagnating, which is perfectly fine to hide.

>>90000354
That’s the problem, Cover knows that they’re stagnating yet they’re continuing to give them shit

>>89995283
>Only Roberu

Any opinion that includes this should be discarded.

Can you fags actually explain to me why do you want to terminate holostars so hard? They don't interfere with hololive in any way

>>90000495
give what anon. their limited merch and concert sell out under a minute yet they can't do anything to increase the number of merch or ticket.

>>90000502
Holofags have the biggest victim complex when it comes to homos. They genuinely believe Yagoo is personally kicking girls out of the studio to make space for them.

>>89991746
>If you have a strategy for attracting women, please tell us.
Give me your strategy as if you're yagoo, anons.

>>90000354
>no? Hololive is growing tremendously and Star is stagnating, which is perfectly fine to hide.
That goes against what looks to be your point, in >>89999927
>the scenario where revenue from the girls will spike to cover the loss of holostars is largely unfounded.
It's contradictory, assuming both posts are by the same anon, the first tries to debunk the idea of the holostars to be a branch subsidised by the girls while the second mentions that the fact they're being hid in the report is because the shame about their performance.
Of course there is no definite proof that the "subsidies" exists but the fact their numbers are hid in the report is a HUGE clue in that direction

>>90000093
>There is zero reason to hide something unless it would paint the worst possible picture out of something
This is funny because Cover also hides holoEN and ID earnings.

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neither forgetting nor forgiving

>>90000590
Sisters have the biggest victim complex, they think any sort of criticism about their boys is anti behavior when reality most starmin are probably just as frustrated and want to have the branch separate from Hololive

>>90000618
not the same anon. my opinion was Star is stagnating but they are not losing money or wasting resource so for investor it's not a good look but yagoo did not take the girl money to feed the boy

>>89996559
You're a disingenuous piece of shit. The JP girls have had more birthday 3D lives than the entire 3D output of the Stars branch this year alone. I've said this before and I'll say it again: they proportionately cannot take up that much time in the studio when there are now 61 girls with 3D vs. the 18 of the guys.

>>90000620
>This is funny because Cover also hides holoEN and ID earnings.
They do not, that's the thing, they disclose the revenue per "language market" and while that's not as conclusive as Anycolor braggadocios "NijIEN revenue per liver is ahead of the main branch" (in 2021), it is very correlated with the size of each branches audience.
Holostars, on the other hand, is an entire agency and they get barely to no mention in any investor document. For all that matters it is like they don't even exist for Cover when it comes to reporting on their operations and that's, as mentioned in >>90000618, very damning.

>>89999883
If I may ask, how many physical fan meetings between both hololive and holostars have you ever been to?
Your entire psychoanalysis of holostars fans are based on surface level assumptions from either twitter or /mans/, which thrives on engagement and naturally promotes behavior that could start flame wars, or their chat, which are heavily influenced by the mood of the stream at the moment and shouldn't be taken out of context. They do not represent even half of the actual holostars fans. same with your analysis of hololive fans as a whole.
As I said in >>89999927, most fans are coolheaded and will simply not engage with the other, as the case with 99% of fandoms to ever exist.
>>90000618
not the same anon. honestly I'm not even sure I'm responding to the same anon all this time.

>>90000684
Yes because it's starmin who are saying terminate the branch and fire all the homos right? Retard.

>>90000708
>not the same anon. my opinion was Star is stagnating but they are not losing money or wasting resource so for investor it's not a good look but yagoo did not take the girl money to feed the boy
That's a very reductive point, it plays with something that is impossible to prove due to lack of information.
All that people have is speculation and a simple thought exercise would be enough to see what's more likely (even if unprovable).
>If Cover spins off the Holostars into their own company, completely separate from Hololive, and give them a share of the companies assets proportional to the revenue they bring, would they be able to survive on their own?
If the answer to that thought exercise is "no" the natural conclusion is that their continued existence is a product of being subsidised by the revenue of the overall operation.

I have a more general point about it: it is not that the Holostars wouldn't survive, it is that there is no big enough male vtuber market to support any male vtuber focused company, agency or branch
Even Nijisanji is starting to suffer under that reality, they're a company that would be infinitely stronger if they only had ROF-MAO and Chronoir and their only competition were Raspberry Prince and PLAVE.

>>90000821
>most fans are coolheaded and will simply not engage with the other, as the case with 99% of fandoms to ever exist.
I agree with you 100% on that point. All of this conversation is a thought exercise mostly disconnected from the reality in the fandoms.
For the most part the Hololive fanbase likes what they like, the Holostars fanbase likes what they like and in the great majority of moments both fanbases do their thing, happy, unimpeded, in their land, focused and moisturised.

The problem comes from a different source: at least in 2022 and early 2023 the COMPANY thought they needed to cater to both audiences at the same time in a sort of a "all inclusive" content.
They failed miserably on both sides (JP and EN) and had to retreat deep into their original separate strat.

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>>90000923
I would 100% agree with you if it was last year, but Armis (or Ruze) really bring Star back to at least survivable.

>>90000740
> they disclose the revenue per "language market"
They don't, they only show useless stats like sub growth and views, there is nothing there related to revenue or profit for individual groups. Also, ID is never talked about either in the reports.

>>89997904
Yeah at least you admitted

>>90001164
I agree. the foundation of holostars EN was not well-thought, it was obviously a rapid response to the meteoric rise of luxiem at the time. The company couldn't solidify choosing between the brotuber or female audience until long after the debut, and debatably even until today. It handicaps their attempt in what is already a limited audience is frustrating.

>>90001164
Lol. They only stopped because Marine and Suisei found success in obtaining a female demographic by themselves, that's why Regloss came to existence too.

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>>89995969
Kane and Kuzuha only far outranked Suisei in the first week.
And those are just physical sales, Suisei has far stronger streaming and downloads.

>>90001695
>meteoric rise
That's one of my linguistic pet peeves. It's not just that meteors never "rise", they crash and burn into the atmosphere.
Rockets rise, meteors fall

>>89993405
I don't want to be around anyone I can't banter with

>>90002582
I thought of napoleon whenever I use this term, so in a way it suits luxiem well.

>English speaking countries
>such as Indonesia
That explains why /vt/ and holofaggots are so shit

>>90002355
did you add chronoir anon?
The thing is I considered Kanae/Kuzuha (Chronoir) as 1 unit when it comes to music
The fact that despite being sold as 1 unit, they can individually pulls suisei number is why I consider them 3 times more popular.
Also ROF-MAO is up there as well. But they don't do well as solo-acts.
Tl;dr completely arbitrary and subjective when I said 3 times more popular, but the top of the vtubing world right now is Kuzuha (both stream and music), Pekora (2nd place in streaming behind Kuzuha), Suisei (3rd place in Music behind Chronoir & Rofmao) and RofMao (no.1 in music)

>The company couldn't solidify choosing between the brotuber or female audience until long after the debut
Highly disagree. They never forced the yaoibait shit upon the holostars and went full bro-tubers and it's kinda show in the interview/selection process.
It was simply a shit decision.
>>90000728
I think my main gripe is they keep forcing Fubuki/Suisei despite their already extremely schedule because most talents aren't interested in interacting with the boys
And for those who actually do want to engage, they are simply too small to pull eyes on the stars (ollie/matsuri)
And this is ignoring the fact that matsuri is also busy as fuck as she now picked up a 2nd idol career. But at least she is willing. Fubuki/Suisei are complete shoehorn against their will.

>>90004110
lottery = music

>>90004598
ok anon
Nijisanji is good at selling lottery
Holostar is bad at selling lottery.
You happy?
That was my point. Holostars never tried. They don't have the desperation of an indie wanting to get more popular. They don't put in the same effort the Hololive girls put in constantly reinnovating themselves when Hololive was unpopular and uplifting the company to the point they are now.

>>90004467
You actually think fubuki and suisei of all people are forced to interact with holostars?

>>90004674
(me) talking about how korone & fubuki raced to 1 million (before taken over by Gura), about how batshit crazy early Haachama was, how Coco worked tirelessly for Asacoco (and to a lesser extent, current hololive has like 4 different morning shows), etc.

they didn't do it by staying in their own corner and occasionally do 3D concerts. I do not see the same efforts being spent by most of the holostars. They came to hololive, expect instant success. Didn't get success, get depressed, doesn't do much to break the mold.

>>90004748
I actually think they do so much work they can barely even breathe and has to turn down multiple collabs with other girls. Everyday I see fubuki doing a new radio show/host some random shit.
Suisei barely even finds time to stream

Do you actually think Fubuki would rather appear on Aruran 3D stream or collab with Mio?

I firmly believe they don't love to be there. They simply do what Cover ask of them to the best of their ability because workaholics is what they are.

>>90004674
Does holostars even have original albums? Do they have record deals? I know they did a live show for their 5th ani in a tiny venue, but that's about it.

If you want to understand the reason holostar failed, female audiences are degenerate numberfags even far beyond /#/.
They are only satisfied when their main talent is at the very top and receives all the support in the world, just like how Niji treats their top male talents.
Holostars have no chance, especially when Niji dominates the market and Hololive is Cover's priority.

>>90004925
Or you don't know their schedules and that fubuki is actually friends with most holostars?

>>90004821
Where do people get this impression that members were expecting hololive levels of success? Most of them treat this like a sidejob and they don't even care about numbers, roberu happily talked about how he could get to 1 million subscribers in 10 years, they don't care about this, also most of them were scouted.

>>89993405
I don't get it
It's just a dude at a con next to a cosplayer, what's the bad?

>>90005308
You actually don't know how dedicated holostars small fanbase is.

>>90005913
>they don't care about this
I don't even watch holostars and even I know that Astel and Aruan bitch about numbers and management all the time

>>90006004
That's the reason you are small.
I didn't criticize their current fanbase (except beggars), I criticize generic female idol fans.
Holostar market positioning as hololive spin-off is doomed from the beginning.

>>90005913
From EN side. EN homos were definitely expecting bigger success than they got

>>90006413
They had a good chance to become brotubers until they stole bro's wife.

>>90006284
aruran seething about a 12 hour stream will never be not funny for me

All these years and countless resources thrown at them as well as them being pushed and promoted desperately yet holostars have seen basically no growth. I still remember the catalog thread with a graph for one of the new years lives or what it was and the moment the holostars came on screen the viewership dropped by like 99% and there was like 100-150k people watching that. It speaks for itself.
If there was any chance for them to grow then they would've done so already. No amount of shilling them, wasting resources on them or trying to nijify Hololive will fix that. Article may be from 2023 but holostars are still leeching, resource hogging failures and they always will be. The sooner the branch gets axed the better.
>>90005913
The reason most of them treat it like a sidejob is because they have no other choice but to. They are literally coping. They definitely care, numbers and everything, and get affected by how low their popularity is (especially when you consider how popular niji males are). Astel and Aruran in particular. If the stars could make it their main job they would without a second of hesitation. But they can't.

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>>89994036
Since no one else answered you I'll do it for you. It was an attempt at luring in the Twitch audience but there's two problems with this
>Holostars has zero audience or presence on Twitch
>A large percentage of Starmin heavily prefer Youtube over Twitch which is aggressive towards adblockers (they don't know how to use ublock)
Not to mention that even if they did manage to interest anyone from the Twitch side because of their association with Twitch vtubers they didn't bother trying to stream on Twitch again. Axel in particular was retarded and couldn't get his stream to work on Twitch to begin with so I don't recall him participating at all. Twitch might be better for growth but transitioning to it is too much of a hassle when your community is built on YouTube.

>>90007129
laplus can leave her 10k avg live view on youtube to stream on twitch. stars have zero reason to be that lazy,

>>90006284
When? The only thing i remember from aruran is his stream to 100k subscribers and astel just being his usual doomer self at the end of the year.

>>90006788
Ah still trying to push the aruran koyori drama i see

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When will they learn?

>>90007568
Yes because it was the dumbest thing to complain about. Koyori is 10x more interesting than that fag hands down

>>90006413
Is any current stars en members talking about his numbers?

The inevitable scandal of a homostar getting outed as a rapist/murderer infinitely outweighs anything homos bring to the table

>>90007662
Jurard is in a constant state of willing to burn the entire company, everyone in it and every other vtuber in existence, just for a second more attention

>>90007662
On the EN side? Besides the general mention of views on covers or the very rare time any of them mention analytics, none of them do.

>>90007657
He didn't even complained, when he talked about koyori doing her stream he said that with enough preparation doing these kind of streams isn't hard as he did one endurance stream himself, it might have been a bit tone deaf but definetly not malicious, it was just your usual forced holostars drama.

>>90007662
Are we counting their PLs? If so, only one complained I think

>>90006852
>still remember the catalog thread with a graph for one of the new years lives or what it was and the moment the holostars came on screen the viewership dropped by like 99% and there was like 100-150k people watching that
This isn't what happened at all. They were on 2 different channels. It's misleading to say "the views dropped" because that implies people just closing the tab when they were never watching the Holostars channel in the first place.
The closest comparison would be when Stars show up with Suisei during these big events and the view count doesn't drop at all and sometimes even grows.

>>90007345
That's true, there isn't any good excuse. They don't want to leave behind their current audience to seek out another if it means forcing them to put up with a platform they hate. Many of the guys have this sort of "appreciate what you have" mindset and don't desire growth for themselves. The ones that don't try to gain more connections outside of their current circle with little to no success, aside from Roberu. It's honestly shocking that Roberu hasn't left yet when he could definitely survive as an indie.

>>89993676
The whole point of the image is if Stars go, it means Yagoo has left and therefore the whole company is going to enter a tailspin. As long as Yagoo is in charge, Holostars will exist under Hololive Productions, and if Yagoo is no longer in charge, you'll see an 8th trumpet event with mass graduations and the overall health of the company going down the drain.

>>90007721
When was the last jurard yab? I'm waiting...

>>90006852
How are we supposed to have a good faith argument when you jump to "Heh you're coping" point?

>>90007129
Thanks for the QRD. It's much too sad to laugh at.

>>89991746
He won't give up on his male talents good for him to not give you anymore shit post material. You fags think about cocks suspiciously too much. Is almost as if you faggots confessing something.

Vesper and Magni's prized accomplishments were killing any and all prospects of the holostars english. their departure was the perfect device needed to kill holostars english without lifting a finger and they are proud of it.

>>90008064
>The closest comparison would be when Stars show up with Suisei during these big events and the view count doesn't drop at all and sometimes even grows.
nta but that would be because it's suisei not because of the stars. suisei, as well as several other holos, can easily pull in over 100k viewers by themselves. stars don't have enough viewers to make the contribution that you're suggesing.

>>90009947
>stars don't have enough viewers to make the contribution that you're suggesing.
It somehow makes them even more pathetic when put this way kek

>Grown men gossiping like women at the beauty salon about other men the thread.
Nothing but faggots here

>>90008373
>you're
I never said you or you're. I said "They are". As in the stars are coping by trying to treat it as a sidejob and that they don't care about numbers. They definitely care. Astel and Aruran being the prime examples.

>>90009947
Sure. The point is the overall view of Stars from the main Hololive fanbase (not the schizos /here/) is neutral at worst. Suisei was already on for a few songs before the Stars joined and yet there was no drop in viewership when they did.

>>89991746
Filian has a 20% female audience
maybe they should do some flips to attract them

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>>90005954
if by "just a dude" you mean that pajeet, pic related.

>>90011115
>pajeet
that's a SEA.. I know hard to tell the difference

>>90010287
Still the only examples are the average astel doomer moments and aruran subs streams

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>>90011479
jeets are worse, but I mean. At least they're not getting culturally enriched like in Northern Europe and England, but still.

>>90009686
These two really mind broke some anons huh?

>>90010058
Why are numberinos like this

>>90007605
>Nexas
>male debuff
Bro, the only good Nexas is a dude who does hard cringekino.

NIJISEETHE
YaGOD is the king

>>89994186
>England
they aren't going anywhere. they've been at it for over 5 years.

>>89995923
>it's never always about the money from the start. It's about finding an idol for as many people as possible. Does the fact that they're hiring both fuwamoco (very GFE) and ERB (anti-GFE) not make it clear for you?
??? FWMC and (to a lesser but still significant extent) ERB's earnings, in their first years and over their career lifetimes, will curbstomp literally every single Holostar's. Probably by many multiples for most of them.
Hololive is expected to make money, Holostars just get to spend it.

>>90005308
women are attracted to dominant successful men who are popular with women. Holostars are the antithesis of this by their fundamental nature. Being tied to ultra-successful women who pointedly reject and ignore them is the ultimate pussy-drier of potential female fans. Holostars are publicly, embarrassingly rejected literally every single week. Every time a Holo ignores mentions of them, pointedly doesn't mention their branch, or goes silent when they're on screen, it's proof of how undesirable and wretched they are.

Why should some woman watch and support them when they get visibly shunned like foul lepers by Holos? It's the opposite of social proof.

Holostars would be better off if they had never tried to make them tied to Hololive. Should have had a completely different name and no connection.

>>89995537
>Kanae & Kuzuha far outranked Suisei when it comes to album sales. They are 3 times bigger than her.
Sisters literally buy 67 copies of Kanae's album just to make a tower of out it. Their popularity is heavily inflated

>>90007667
The reality is that cover need that scandal to get rid of the homo without facing backlash. That why i kinda understand recruiting people like the Trex (forget his name honnestly, like most of the homos names). And that also why they prevent him from even seeing Pekora face, after all they need to be sure it will never splash on the important members.

>>90015804
>important members
Say all you want about the clown or Roberu but I genuinely think they can do better without Holostars holding them back

>"Mr Yagoo a lot of people said you need to terminated all the hom, eerr the holostars, take a look here in this place called /vt/"

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>>90010151
>Nothing but faggots here

>>90011901
You can't rape your wife, but I feel for any virgins that face this.

>>90016128
>without Holostars holding them back
and exactly how does holostars hold them back? the clown does the bare minimum and spams league and fall guys and collabs with his twin for easy cash while spending most of his time outside working with notmagni

>>90016291
>"sou desu ne, getting hate is just part of being an entertainment company"
>"anyway i'm going to go get a coffee with oga and miyabi, do you want me to bring you anything?"

>>90015228
It's hilarious you peddle this when Holofags sperg out that their oshi will spread her legs for a Holostar the second they collab.

>>90016991
Only in your cuck fantasies. There are reasons to not want Holostars involved with Hololive beyond your crass monkeybrain sex shit.

>>90016128
Roberu is lazy as fuck.

>>89995283
I don't know where this view of Roberu still comes from, is it the catalogue living in 2021? He doesnt branch out these days and has always had more overlap with the hololive audience than anything else.
I honestly believe thats why they try pushing a holopro angle since he has more male hololive fans watching him and in pure numbers is more successful because of it even if his merch and superchat isnt that much higher than the others.

>>90017376
>There are reasons to not want Holostars involved with Hololive beyond your crass monkeybrain sex shit.
and they are....?
oh right none exist

>>90017472
Hololive's entire brand is girls doing stuff together, the talents have said this themselves. Involving holostars fucks everything up.
Think about Nerissa's slumber party last night, do you really think Machina x flayon or one of those other retards could ever fit into that? It fundamentally doesn't work, it would destroy the company. The appeal would be instantly gone.

>>89997908
>>89999115
>All of the shit that has happened over the years in HOLOLIVE SIDE alone
>Disbands
>Graduations
>Terminations
>Cancelations and delay of projects
>Retarded Inside and outside drama and "drama"
>Managers and Management BS some talents have openly talked about
But one guy literally one guy saying “hate marketing” is 100% going to DESTROY Hololive
Keep being awesome /vt/

>>89991746
>Men in their 20s
Heh, yeah, I'm totally 27.

>>90017550
It's always one extreme or the other with you retards. You can still have girls only content even if Holostars are there. Even the girls who do collab with them have more solo and girl collabs under their belts than homo ones.

>>90017447
>is it the catalogue living in 2021
Basically, it's not just Roberu but a lot of members, they always bring up talking points from years ago.

>Holostars ruins hololive for me TERMINATED THEM NOW
>Why
>Becuase they DO, you gay faggot
>But they really don't collab or even acknowledge them, if they do it's always the same extreme few girls and only the rare time they do it
>Gay faggot Termiante homostars REEEEEEEEE
...

>>89991746
>knows he cant call the dubois strong talent
kek

>>89991746
yagoo needs to give up on attracting the fujos. he lost that demographic long ago to homosanji. but the thing is, it's not really a loss. because nothing good comes from having a fanbase full of fujos.

>>90022435
>fujos
none of the boys fujo bait. at best they yume bait.

>>90018884
If you give homobeggars an inch, then they want a mile. Starmin want they’re precious boys to collab with girls then when they do, they expect the girls to have respect for them when they barely bring anything to the table for Cover

>>90018884
yeah that about sums up most of /vt/
>>90022572
>give homobeggars an inch, then they want a mile
the two faggots who do this already left

homosisters are not the brightest, why won't you watch streams? it would literally incline them hard if you did

>>90023000
Please understand sisters will do anything but watch streams themselves, I mean look at the JP stars thread. Dead asf

>>90023000
>>90023528
Why is this thread still up? Is it just two people circlejerking?

>>90018286
There's no reason to have ever them there though. They're just a negative, they bring no positives. Nobody wants it. They add nothing to ANY collab.

>>90023986
Why don’t you bump your homo thread instead of complaining

>>90022572
>They're
Yeah just close this thread down already

>>90018884
That's the status quo now, but there was a concerted effort to involve them and fuck everything up in 2022. It almost killed HoloEN. I won't forget.
Extreme vigilance and repulsion to anything even vaguely involving a whiff of Holostars is the only message Cover will understand, even disinterested tolerance is mistaken for acceptance and they'll try to put them into stuff again.

>>90023990
>>90024142
Lmao look at this writing style, it really is just one guy keeping this thread alive.

>they're
>using pronouns
of course it'd be homos

>>90024191
Schizo

>>90022572
>homobeggars
>homosisters
Sorry, but the people you keep calling this term, aka people who go with their lives, still ignoring that majority of these women legit do not care nor want to “collab” with holostars ARE NOT HERE, nor in the hololive and stars Reddit, they are, potentially normies, outsiders, even and people who simply watch vtubers and like them. They ARE NOT HERE, they aren't an army, nor this gigantic group of people this general thinks they are. You guys take a SC of someone, gray or green name mentioning a star in a Holomems chat, post it here, and it will get more than 10 or more replies, then (you) and the anti-male vtuber brigade go on a rampage who you unironically called the “invisible war”. You guys live baiting yourselves in your generals, thinking you are getting raided. You guys truly are schizos.

>While is this thread still up, they ask as they don't even sage their posting

>>90024153
>S-spelling mistake!
Cope sister my point still stands

>>90024191
>but there was a concerted effort to involve them and fuck everything up in 2022. It almost killed HoloEN. I won't forget.
Give us your very detailed, Harvard style documented paper work on this.

>>90024323
I don't care what you think about me. I just care that Cover doesn't fuck up what I enjoy.
It's important to me that Cover understands that involving Holostars in events, concerts, anything related to Hololive is completely unacceptable to me. If they can find some paying audience to replace me, that's their prerogative, they should go for it.

>>90024568
>completely unacceptable to me
i didn't realize that anons were such pathetic snowflakes that get their feefees hurt

>>90024568
NTA but, schizo.

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Tranny jannies, do your fucking job.

>>90024618
>pathetic snowflakes that get their feefees hurt
But enough about Starsisters

>>90024494
I'm not going to write a research paper to spell out the obvious to you but here's the highlights:
Collabs (remember Mori saying that the collab ban had been shortened for Tempus by "popular demand according to management"?), Tempus having a 3 hidden in their logo, Omega running around tweeting about how both Hololive and Holostars are hololive production, holostars showing up in the new year countdown concert (why did they stop doing that, I wonder?), big unity "HoloPro" covers on Axel's channel funded by management, and the fact that they literally delayed and skipped new EN gens for a year (almost killing the branch from inactivity) because Omega was an autistic retard who thought the EN fanbase would accept the boys as a substitute.

In any case, this is all ancient history, I don't care if you want to be in denial about it, I don't have to convince you of shit. The faction in Cover management who was trying to push this clearly lost, Omega got fired and replaced, management of the two branches was split, and now the Holostars stay in their little corner where they belong.

>>90024843
.t the anon who cries because other males exist

>>90024618
>Having preferences about your content and the products you consume is fucking GAY, actually, a real man just eats shit without ever complaining and asks for seconds!
kek, do you think this actually works?

>>90024968
.t a starsister that complains calling out a branch that is just a pile of shit

>>90024968
Do they exist? They don't seem to show up in anything important these days and they never have any major events, their numbers suck and are getting worse over time, you could be mistaken for thinking they were irrelevant ghosts who just mope around in their failed jobs because they have nothing better to do and don't have the self-confidence to quit even though they're unhappy.

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>>90024962
>and now the Holostars stay in their little corner where they belong.
GOOD then right? Now what? Hololive couldn't possibly be more alive and powerful than ever, freaking AKB idols are now part of Hololive, Cover keeps pushing hard CGDCT and yuribaiting to the Otaku and “enthusiastic” audience who WANTS that, multiple holomems themselves said they aren't for "male vtubers" when they joined Hololive and at the end of the day, regardless whatever "serious" or retarded happenings >>90017638 Anon, you literally wrote, "the Holostars stay in their little corner where they belong". So I ask what now? Terminate them because fucking retards on /vt/ say so?

>>90024445
>>90024568
>>90024843
Dude stop, just let this thread die

>>90025785
Terminating them would probably be ideal, put the whole contentious issue to rest and focus the company on Hololive. but I'll just settle for them staying in their lane and getting resources more in line with what they themselves can justify with their earnings. I'm happy as long as they aren't unjustly burning as much of my oshi's money as they were in earlier years.
They still are, mind. Any time they get to use the 3D studio at all, for example, is unjustified, their revenues didn't pay for it. But I accept that Cover will always have a soft spot for them and favor them, it is what it is.

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>>90026128
>Dude stop, just let this thread die
You retarded colossal faggot.
YOU Bumped this thread. This 1 was a 6. Fucking KYS.

>>90026318
You are not a real person.

>>90026424
It's funny that you can't even conceive that someone might dislike the holostars branch. Do you think they're likable? Did you not notice that they're unpopular?

>>90026424
God, you sisters really can’t accept the fact that people genuinely don’t like them, huh?

>>90026601
You could at least try to change your writing style when you write posts so people don't notice it's you bumping the same thread.

>>90026987
I'm just replying when people reply to me. You're bumping the thread just as much as I am.
Also, it's a 4chan thread, they get bumped when people make posts, that's how the board works

isn't towa, suisei, marine the women and gays central?

>>90027339
any one of those has more female fans than all the holostars, en and jp, combined.

>>89991746
>thinks fucking Tiktok of all places is the way for Holostars to get more popular
Why doesn't he just fucking ask the fans when he and the boys can do to grow? The main reason Holostars isn't popular is because of the company they're attached to. It's mostly known as a corpo for female talents and most female fans don't want to be surrounded by the kind of audience the girls attract. As for the boys themselves, the content they do and the way most of them act caters to a male audience too. The boys do have a lot of potential and could have a huge female audience if they wanted to, but it's the company and their image that's holding them back.

Think of it this way: It would be like having a Nikke booth at AGF or a yaoi convention. Men wouldn't want to be surrounded by women in a place that caters to women just to get one small thing they want.

>>89995537
>Kanae & Kuzuha far outranked Suisei when it comes to album sales. They are 3 times bigger than her.
They do lottery with their albums selling merch and tickets, of fucking course they will sell more than anyone if they have an obsessed fanbase. It's a pretty scummy way of inflating sales.

>>90029706
Holos could do it too, you think Suisei couldn't juice her album sales by doing an album lottery for budoukan? she'd sell an outrageous amount. She doesn't because it's scummy and abusive of your biggest fans

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>>89991746
>attracting female fans? leave it to me

>>90030464
I'm gonna assume you're simply reinforcing my point, because I agree.

>>90031106
Yeah, just agreeing with you

>>90026601
>>90026880
Because people like you already made in your mind I'm the “Star sister” version of Nbinted
https://x.com/NBinted/status/1857363414080995648
https://x.com/NBinted/status/1857364465400136091
https://x.com/NBinted/status/1857432397035573407
>Homobeggar
That's the only thing you do, flash news, the holosars have been out there for 5 year already, Miyabi alone has eaten more hate messages and death threads than the average male vtuber. But hey, keep your eternal straw man, nobody who writes stuff like this can't be taken seriously.
>>90026601
>>90026880
>>90022572
>>90024568
>>90026318

>>90031645
I don't know who nbinted is, I don't read Nijisanji twitter (unlike most Holostars EN fans who are transparently ~50% or more nijirefugees)

>>90028110
>Why doesn't he just fucking ask the fans when he and the boys can do to grow
The last time the fans realized that maybe they should put more effort into shilling them they didn't commit to actually doing so. All those women can do are draw. Clipping streams on the other hand is something they don't do nearly as much. I know you'll say "they don't watch streams" but that isn't the case. Women are unironically that lazy. They will buy merch, draw their oshi and talk about their oshi but they don't care about wanting their oshi to grow. They enable the passive attitude their oshis might have about growing as a streamer.

>>90031645
>Miyabi alone has eaten more hate messages and death threads than the average male vtuber
Good to know

>>90024962
>shortened collab ban
WOW! A WHOLE MONTH! THE LUXURY! THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WH- oh wait. Advent and Justice had their collab ban shortened to 2 weeks. (I checked.) So uh...yeah, how privileged I guess. (It's also clear in hindsight that a lot of the things done with Tempus were refined and reused for Advent and Justice, so they were definitely a testing ground for how to handle future gens.)
>hidden 3
I always thought it was a reference to l337 speak with their technology/Matrix visuals honestly.
>Hololive Production
This is what you get when you type in Hololive Production and pull up the website: https://hololivepro.com/en/ . So I guess you better email Cover and tell them their site is wrong.
>NY Countdown
If the Hololive side wants to include all the talents it can, shit has to get cut and those were the things cut. It's not all that surprising. I still have 2 New Year's concerts to enjoy don't I? Plus they did the Hoshimatic Project stuff during the countdown last year, so that also took up time. (And that's not even getting into how the fuck they're going to juggle the stages at Fes next year.)
>HoloPro Covers
Axel paid for both Bad End Night and Mr. Schadenfreude himself (Vesper confirmed he offered to pay for some of Bad End Night since he only recorded one line but Axel refused; Axel also said that he had put so much money into the 3 covers he did after his debut that he didn't get an actual paycheck until after his birthday). He's also repeatedly said if a collab is on his channel then he's paying for it, cause if the cover is bad then it all falls on him versus anyone else involved. (I know this because I watch the dude.)
>delayed and skipped gens
Has anyone actually confirmed this? Or is it just bullshit? I'm pretty sure it's the latter otherwise wherever that came from would be spammed on this page to this day.

sister still trying kekmao

>>90035972
It’s like talking to a wall, they’re never going to listen

>>90035972
What sister? All I see are larpers and you falling for them

>>89991746
Holostars being attached to the Holo label does more bad than good imo. They need a different approach, instead of trying to leech off the already successful girls, they should try to connect with the other more successful male vtubers (NijiJP, fps circles, etc). Shipbaiting between the girls and the boys is an especially bad idea, it pisses off the dedicated fans/gachikois and attracts shipfags who aren't gonna spend money and are just gonna try to push drama, there is a good reason NijiJP doesn't do much of that anymore.
As for the girls getting more female fans, they kinda just need to content that actually appeals to that audience sometimes. Also, I imagine overly coomer stuff can be off-putting in some cases, unless it's Marine or something.

It is frustrating that both sides are often disingenuous about the situation.
Holostars did receive a fair chance and gained some acceptance within the Holobox, peaking during the New Year stream.
However, they pushed their luck with HLZNTL and were severely griefed by those two, which set their progress back by years.

holostars died with magni and vesper. good riddance.

>>89991746
Holy shit

>>90007605
never

>>89991746
you've been wishing for their disbandment for over 5 years...
Yagoo will keep them afloat because he likes them. the moment someone else takes over as CEO then you may want to start celebrating.

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oh sisters . . . he was one of the good ones

>>89995015
>Hololive is at the top of the market from Sora’s debut
Have you heard of Sora's 13 apostles? She only had 13 viewers on her debut.

>>90046886
NTA, from debut is an exaggeration, that's kinda obvious because Cover was a literal who tech startup, no way for them to have any clout but in context of growth a lot of people have no idea how fast Sora's growth actually is, to give you better picture, she reached 100k subs before Roboco debut, that record only got beaten later by gen 3, compare that with Holostars growth and that's not even mention that Holostars still got some clout for being in the same company as Hololive.

>>90016601
You absolutely can

>>89993405
Femcels already make /vt/ miserable, I don't want them to influence streams

>>90004925
Thankfully we get posts like these that firmly cement anti-homos as utterly schizophrenic

>>90050915
one day sister will be able to prove that homos are profitable

>>90050523
Most of these femcels already stick to their own generals and never leave them because they don't want anything to do with the rest of the board. Its also why they usually ignore it when shitposters try to bait them in those same generals. Why do you think /MANS/ has those retarded commandments they post in every single thread? Its like their own little world.

>>90051113
2 more weeks…

>>89991746
>Over a year old
el retardo...

>>89995539
Missed it

>>89991746
>give up one stars
So true SEAsister!

>>90054506
>Oh y-yeah, well your grammar sucks!
Nice comeback

>>89991746
>tiktok is watched by women let's do that
He has no idea why women watch tiktok, or why people watch tiktok in general. Honestly, it feels like these days that business leaders don't understand why people consume products. They should do a fan survey to proven paying customers as to why they consume the media they consume, and why they spend money the way they do. Maybe vtuber companies would understand how to turn the best profits, by leaning into their strengths to get moneybags out of a dedicated diehard following instead of trying to dilute their brands in order to try and get pennies out of everyone leading to the death of their brand.

>>90046343
no he wasnt

>>90038883
>HLZNTL
This shit was so ass the moment they include holostars, iirc they went full retard and actually made the shilling stream unwatchable, ow2 was it?

>>89995015
>Hololive is at the top of the market from Sora’s debut and then to the absolute unmatched top from sankisei’s debut. There was never any “middling” Holo girl, specially in comparison to the rest of the market and in comparison to the Holostars.

For a while, some girls like Choco and Aki were pretty fucking middling.

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>>90055667
It wasn't exactly unwatchable, the game went fine and comms were separated between teams, you could just watch the girls if you didn't want to hear male voices.
But it was still an embarrassing event because Cover went out of their way to get professional commentators, and as expected the girls got absolutely stomped by homos on OW2 so they had barely any exciting gameplay (if any) to comment.

>>90055667
cover somehow managed to make an event for absolutely no one
>idolfags hated seeing their oshi getting stomped and having a bad time
>unicorns hated seeing the girls playing with males
>beggars hated that both teams were separated without interacting with each others outside of the game
>esport fans (hlzntl got marketed as "ESPORT HOLOLIVE" after all) got mediocre gameplay from pretty much everyone except Botan and Astel
>everyone else hates overwatch 2 in the first place, but they went through it because Activision Blizzard money

Why is this thread still up? Just let it die already

>>90056181
It also proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that management was pressuring unicorn friendly girls to collab with homos

>>90056181
Somehow they even use Chloe, the one with gachimaxxing to participated was wild

>>90046343
He's got an inner ear issue (vestibular? idk) that's severe enough that he took a hiatus at the beginning of the year to try and sort it out. It came back so he's trying to get it fixed but still stream.

>>90057441
Chloe is kind of a special case, she wasn't pressured into it or anything.
She just reeeeeally wanted to get a Blizzard sponsorship because she loves Hearthstone, that's literally it.

>>90057441
Her answer to the viewers who were asking her about it was literally "i already interacted with males before you know", she didn't really cared.

>>90057205
A collab where they have separate cooms? Come on now anon, the ones who wanted to do it did It.

>>89991746
The only faggot I see here is the person obsessed with a bunch of men and what happens to them on a daily basis, take your hrt and calm down

>>90055888
>Choco
the fuck are you saying. Choco was the top of gen 2 before Susan personally banned ASMR content.

>>90010329
it's neutral at best. Most of the normal fans don't like or dislike them. They treat holostars as if they're an entirely separate entity.

>>90024191
Cool down Batman.

>>90024843
retarded tranny nigger can only steal the insult given towards xim because of xis complete lack of creativity. Xe does not watch xis precious faggot stream, xe does not watch clips, but xe will always find a time to scream about DUBAIS on X. Pathetic

>>90038883
no. Every single goodwill hololive watchers had towards Holostars were completely gone after Shinove's departure and omegatranny's antics during 2022. His action nearly destroyed Hololive EN back then and because of that, Holostar's image is permanently destroyed.

>>89993676
because they contain all the annoying foids and browns

>>90010456
I'm convinced she's capping, I don't think she's ever actually shown her metrics. I know she's not a full on GFE streamer or idol or anything but she's constantly bending over and showing her ass off

>>90011901
>>90016601
What the fuck is wrong with people?

>>89991746
>he’s too much of a fag to do that.
he didnt give up on the girls early on, he wont give up on the boys now.

>>90058781
just graduate them and see how many hololive girls would actually interact with them
I can tell you it's 0. See how many Dottovu collab happened between uh.... Caspur and the Orc guy?
They even collabed with Pippa out of desperation

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>>89991746
with fanbase like this, it's impossible to incline

>>90025404
But yet they still get preferential treatment btw.

>>90060044
>fanbase
Are the beggars even fans of the holostars to begin with?
Since the dawn of Uproar, the bulk of the beggars are just virtue-signalling faggots.

>>90007605
the that to brave group

>>90060044
true

>>90060044
>positive support
KEK

>>90054641
>Zero attempts at denial of being SEA
I accept your concession, Nijipagpag.

>>90067121
Oh I’m so hurt

>>90061058
They make pity circle jerk threads about the homos with millions of impressions and tens of thousand of likes on twatter. The replies are always a bunch of subhumans desperately trying to attach holos to them, or degrade their brand and fans.
Them being a rabid holoanti spawner makes them the biggest liability to hololive.

>>90056181
You forgot the most important part about the sponsorship. The theme was
>Even new players can have fun!
>>90057441
Chloe's whole gimmick is how unashamed she is when it comes to loving money, her framing it as "I'm in it for the blizzard money" is good enough for her fans.
>>90058781
IRyS and Lui confirmed that their managers heavily pressured them into joining. Nene confirmed that her manager basically harassed her into joining the first round (Valorant) by playing into her insecurities of not being that popular (she forced her into meetings and kept telling her that being an idol isn't good enough, she needs to expand her audience).

>>90056181
Was /stars/ even happy about this?

>>90067608
No idea, but considering how much they hate beggars/tourists in the first place and that they always wanted to keep Holostars and Hololive separated, probably not.

>>90059463
This isn't even true lol, and can you just let this thread die already? Or are you going to make another one?

>>90060024
You're bringing up unrelated people already

>>90067322
>Number talk
Ah i can already tell you're not being genuine

>>90067203
Holostars can't even control this lol

>>90069428
It would help if they told these retards to stop, but given how the dinohomo seems to enjoy all the attention he gets in his happy birthday posts i doubt anything can be done about it.
Funny thing is that holos probably see all this shit on their timeline, and will only get a bad impression of the homo brand.

>>89991746
Holostars will never take off.

Because women are too busy giving their pussies to the top 10% men.

The rest of the 90% lower tier men are the only viable target audience for vtubers.

So they’re saying that the female audience has a very low attention span and that’s why they don’t watch the homos? Makes sense

>>89991746
get em outta here!

>>89993405
Good women ruin things