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bout to post a few chief
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>>7728009
I finished the second book recently, it was a very good book and the ending satisfied me more than the first one, its on the level of the first one in my opinion, I know its shorter but its like an extra book to complete the first one and they go well together.
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>>7728408
1-3 were best in my opinion. 4 was good, but in a different way and I didn't really care for the others.
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>>7728009
We had a pretty good Dune thread that ran last Sep through Dec. Definitely check it out. I dumped everything I had into that one and I'm just not ready to repost that much again so soon:

http://archive.nyafuu.org/wg/thread/7660327/
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>>7728595
I could have written this summary. Especially what a hack and whore Brian Herbert turned out to be. His "additions" to the Dune saga are a desecration and the Bene Gesserit would have found a way to keep him alive for 25,000 years inside a nerve induction pain box for what he's done. With any luck, in a few thousand years the Bene Gesserit will rise, remember intimately and directly who & what Brian Herbert is, grow a ghola of him in an axolotl tank, and lock that ghola into a nerve induction coffin until the Honored Matres return and achieve enlightenment.

My other take on it is that Heretics of Dune & Chapterhouse Dune are somewhat better than that review gives them credit for. But, I will concede that God Emperor is arguably the crowning work of the series.

The same way that Messiah was an Epilogue of sorts to Dune, Children of Dune is something of a Prologue for God Emperor. So, conceptually, you can divide the series into three main parts where the first two books are one story, the second two books are another story that is a sequel to the first, then the final two books are the finale to what the God Emperor was trying to achieve. They each have their own merits and flaws, but I never try to say one part is clearly better than the others ... just different and focused on different aspects of the Golden Path.
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>>7728507
good thing to hear, I will probably read the 4 books, I finished the first two
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how weird does it get in 3? the second book was very weird compared to the first one and I guess Frank Herbert would keep weirding it out.
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>>7729176
looks like Brian really butchered the series. the second book does feel like one with the first, it also feel like a separate book because the characters are more developed and grown up and also because things get way weirder than the first book.
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Anyone have any that focus on the freman?
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>>7729274
>how weird does it get in 3?
Well, uhm, trying to avoid spoilers? Can't do it.

This is a "spoiler" [spoiler]transforming a human into an immortal sandworm (mostly) who then becomes a literal god, who is the central figure for God Emperor of Dune[/spoiler]. So, there is that. Paul's son Leto II is kind of central to the whole Golden Path thing.

And, while people like to bash a bit on Heretics/Chapterhouse, that's when some of the truly weird gets uncorked. Pretty chaotic to follow, so speed reading those is not recommended. And, a few months after reading them, re-read them slowly again to pick up on all the shit you missed the first time through. That applies to the whole series, but Heretics/Chapterhouse has a lot of content packed into it, so it's tough to hold it all in your head at once, especially while collating it against the first two parts of the series.

One of the great joys of reading Frank Herbert novels and stories is that most of them get better upon re-reading.
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>>7729278
Check. Previous. Thread. >>7729169
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>>7728408
Op here. I’m just about to finish reading the second one. This is good to hear.
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>>7729705
enjoy those last chapters. I would like to hear your thoughts about the second book.
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>>7729403
I'm avoiding spoilers since I will read it in the future, can't wait to know how weird it gets.
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anyone have music with DUNE feels? i'm listening to this Symphonic Black Metal band called Limbonic Art and it has Sci-fi and Dune vibes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmCngJTPBjs&ab_channel=LimbonicArt-Topic
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>>7729915
Just finished today. I’m glad how everything wrapped up. I was thoroughly pleased with the tension that built up and resolved everything. Paul seeing through his sons eyes was badass.
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>>7730221
same, the ending was satisfying, an awesome ending to Muad'dibs story. I loved it when Paul looked through his son's eyes, Frank Herbert really knows how to do weird twists.
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>>7728348
This is commonly mis-represented as Dune art. It isn't. It's a completely unrelated piece of art for an album cover.

Artist: Sleep
Album: Dopesmoker (2012)
Artwork: Arik Roper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugp8a7B9izw


> *I'll allow that anyone smoking their brains inside out since about 1970 could easily have a spice vision and channel Dune imagery unintentionally
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>>7731657
it's okay, they had dune references in their last album
>The Kiefsatz Hasherach now takes the Bong Jabbar
>Rifftual commences 'round the tree stump altar
>Bong Water of Life anoints the Muad' Doob messiah
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>>7728344
That’s terrible
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There is not really that much material to pick from.
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I fight giant worms all the times without any gay fear mantra, these atreidas are bitches and should go back
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>>7730395
She's her daughter, Saint Alia of the Knife
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Nice thread, I love Dune books
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>>7735363
thanks, now I remember the one who posted said that. Alia looks beautiful but she is scary, I won't fuck with her or fuck her.
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>>7731657
Thanks nerd. It's very dune-esque, that's why it's here.
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>>7735862
Yes anon, read through the third book and you'll see how fucked she is. Never put your dick in crazy, man. Alia is the perfect example for that statement.
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Kwisatz Haderach
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not big enough, not even close
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>>7728355
god, what could've been...
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>>7735874
>beast of burden that cannot walk staggered
>on Arrakis
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>>7736726
you mean an acid trip of a movie that would have been only vaguely reminiscent of the actual book by Frank Herbert?

The only good thing that came out of Jodorowsky's Dune is the concept art for the Xenomorph in Alien, and Jodorowsky himself is a walking block of salt over the fact that he didn't get to make his movie, and about to get BTFO'd by Denis.
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>>7728595
thank you for this anon. I got entirely engulfed in the Dune books at the start of quarantine last year and steamrolled through books 1-4. After God Emperor though I lost interest in the rest of the books, mostly because just how much of a perfect end it was to everything. I could not imagine just how it could possibly go on. There was nothing else to add. I mustered enough willpower to try and start Heretics but I just dropped it after the first 20 pages. I felt a bit guilty for not pushing through and reading till book 6, but this actually proves I made the right decision.
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>>7728595
Dont listen to this faggot
I have read every single one of these books and enjoyed them all.
They are fun and have lots of new characters and a revisiting of many of the classics
They dont take long to read and i found them to be exciting.
I think he carried on his fathers name very well.
I am glad that he has written so many novels. They have given me many hours of enjoyment.
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>>7737173
good to hear you enjoyed them, maybe its not as good as his father's but if someone is a dune fan and wants more dune then they can be enjoyable.
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>>7737133
I do this a lot, i stopped mr robot at the first season.im satisfied with the ending and don't want to go further.
There is a movie that i watched half asleep, interupted with dreams about it, so i have this feverish personal version of this movie and refuse to watch the movie correctly. I read only the 3 books of dune. This was years ago so mb i will re reread the whole thing... "Whole"
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>>7728009
Came to this board looking for this thread specifically. Based.
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>>7737133
I feel you. I'm a Golden Path fag myself. I made and effort too back in the day to push through Heretics, but dropped it because it feels redundant, pointless, kinda out of place. Like a reboot of the saga.
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>>7737415
*an effort
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>>7736178
That reminds me more of that level from Jet Force Gemini were you had to go all the way through a lava worm.
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>>7737216
I'd urge you to finish Mr. Robot though. I feel that the quality is surprisingly consistent throughout all its seasons, but it's the twists that made S01 such a solid watch. S02's twists are amazing too but sometimes the wild gets a bit too crazy. The final season and especially the end may not rub everyone the right way but I liked it.

As for stopping at book 3: I would also urge you to work your way through to God Emperor. If it's been years since you read Children though I'd recommend re-reading from that point at least, then jump directly into God Emperor. You wont regret it.
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>>7728408
Fourth book is best book. The first three books are basically prequels for the fourth book.
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>>7737699
that is encouraging to read the third and fourth, the first two I read is very good and can the two can be one good book that is great alone without a sequel.
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>>7738532
>can the two
ignore this part
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>>7728595
>Chapterhouse ends in a cliffhanger

Trying to go for Option 4 here but, must ask, Do any of the 'books' in Option 5 deals with said cliffhanger?
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>>7738532
Glad to hear it. Small caveat with what I said though: what I said is true if you like philosophy, history, and the like.
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>>7738570
The entire dune series is virtually unfinished due to Frank Herbert dying of cancer before he could finish the series. This does not change the fact that the original dune series is excellent and definitely worth the read.

Frank Herbert's son attempts to conclude the series with two more books after chapterhouse but they are awful. Definitely not worth worth reading.
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>>7738591
do I have to read something before? I know that frank is an environmentalist and probably the philosophy is about that and also about state craft and utopia.
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>>7738765
Probably not, but ofc I don't have an exhaustive knowledge of your educational background. If you come across something you don't know, just Google it. Your enjoyment of the book shouldn't be interfered with for the most part.
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>>7735982
But he isn't...
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>>7738765
>do I have to read something before?
Short answer: No.

However ......

Frank Herbert was a sociologist. A sociologist that views survival of humankind as a positive thing quickly becomes an environmentalist. Frank Herbert was drawn into environmental topics for this reason, but it was never his first calling.

> "have to"
> "read something"
Pretty strong language , and somewhat overly broad. You don't "have to" anything. Also, "something" is pretty fucking vague.

It will help you greatly if you're fairly well-read on some of the more intellectually engaging science fiction themes. Frank Herbert did not write pulp sci fi. On that note, it will also help greatly if you are interested in high caliber head food from your science fiction. Classic heavyweights like Clarke, Asimov, Brin, Cherryh, Simak, etc.

If by "something" you meant other Frank Herbert, then No. Most everyone gets introduced to Frank Herbert through Dune. Nothing else he wrote really prepares you for this work, or is in any way a predecessor. Novels such as The Santaroga Barrier, The Jesus Incident, The Godmakers, and The Dosadi Experiment would introduce you to a number of elements & themes encountered in Dune ... but you might as well just jump off into Dune.

If you're looking for an academic background, general string knowledge in sciences and in psychology help, but you don't require university degrees in those topics. Part of Herbert's genius was being able to write highly accessible stories (usually) that relied on his in-depth knowledge in those fields, but readers could have a far more casual familiarity.

What you "need" is imagination and an intellect that likes to be challenged. Don't be afraid to read slowly and take the time to let your mind wander as you encounter the landscape he presents. His stories are designed to encourage the reader to daydream on many aspects and implications of story elements. It's really the entire point of his stories.
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>>7738872
>general strong knowledge in sciences
*strong
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>The entire dune series is virtually unfinished due to Frank Herbert dying of cancer before he could finish the series.
That's really sad. If he left hings in a cliffhanger in the sixth book, he must had something really big in mind for the seventh book.

>This does not change the fact that the original dune series is excellent and definitely worth the read.
Already done option two in >>7728595 tho that was a while ago. Might still go for option 4 if I can get all the other books.

>Frank Herbert's son attempts to conclude the series with two more books after chapterhouse but they are awful. Definitely not worth worth reading.
OK will try to stay away from those then. Is there such a thing as a fan-made ending to the series that's decent?
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posting the rest of this.
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>>7739282
>OK will try to stay away from those then
Good
>Is there such a thing as a fan-made ending to the series that's decent?
Not that I know of
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P O C E E D
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>>7729176
Currently reading Heretics. This is a bummer, I was hoping that Hunters + Sandworms of Dune worth be slightly worth reading at all since they're supposed to be what 'finishes the story'.
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>>7740183
>slightly worth reading
This might be the operative adjective & phrase. Each person who reads these books gets their own mileage out of them. I think that people (myself included) are trying to be careful about recommending anything after God Emperor. Rather than oversell what comes after, lowering expectations may help lower disappointment, also.

Personally, I felt that the ending of Chapterhouse was as complete as the series needed. It's open-ended enough to reflect the infinite spirit of the Golden Path, but has enough resolution that most questions raised by these first six books feel pretty fully answered.

So, it sounds like your expectations are set sufficiently low. Maybe you'll get more out of it than some of us who hoped for and expected something more. I'll be interested in your reaction at the end of Chapterhouse and, if you continue, I'll also be interested if you have the same experience switching from Frank Herbert's style over to Brian Herbert's. I think we've piled on him hard enough I don't need to add at this point, other than to note that there's a clear difference and that Frank > Brian.

This thread still has a bit of life left in it, so it should still be around and still being monitored by the time you get to whatever point you decide to stop. And there's always >>>/lit/catalog. If you browse the /cat/ there for a month or two, bound to be a thread or two where discussion about Dune crops up.
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paul! bene gesserit pussy got me acting strange! it feels like putting your dick in gom jabbar paul!
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>>7738853
he is, that's the point of his character. he's just a generation early
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>>7741542
got one without a fucked up crop?
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>>7740216
Fair enough. I'm ok with leaving things open ended so maybe I can consider Chapterhouse "the end" even if I do go on to read the others. That's basically what I already do with Star Wars anyways...
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This might be the only art I've seen that portrays ornithopters the way I imagined them. Optimistic for the new movie based on what small glimpses are in the trailer
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>>7741804
I always imaginated them with only two wings because ornitho- is related to birds.
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>>7728346
Nope.
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>>7728348
Follow the smoke to the riff filled land
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>>7728356
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>>7745077
>Dune
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I am conflicted about this.
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>>7745077
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Im going to prescience! I think im prescieenciing! im gonna presciooooonce aarargarghrhaghrhrhr
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>>7728009
looks like a penor XD
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>>7746418
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You can has this.
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fremen pussy got me actin strange, someone say stop the jihad I said the fuck is that?
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I wonder if fremen pussy tastes like Melange
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spicy freman pussy destroyed by big caladan cock
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imagine the smell of paul's dick after a long walk in the dunes, I bet it makes freman pussy give water to the dicks
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Big Harkonnen Cock

BIG HARKONNEN COCK AND BALLS
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>>7728408
on my way to read the second book, good to hear.
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>>7748192
enjoy, I really loved it even though in the start I felt that the book felt different and progressed from Paul adventuring in the desert to something else but I loved it so much.
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>>7729274

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>>7728595
I've always loved Dune and have reread all of Frank's original series more than once. I should have been the perfect target audience for his son's books but fuck are they awful . I got through one and a half of "Dune for Dummies" and had to bail. It's a shame.
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freman ass got him actin strange
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And found pic related.
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There's more than one. I've found at least three so far, but wallpaper quality is lacking for most images.
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>>7749823
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gotta work with what I can find
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Made a 2 monitor version for anybody interested
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This guy was one of the OG artists

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>>7755666
Really hate how the suits look in this.
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>>7728354
I'd give anything for an animated feature/series/miniseries with this guy's interpretation of the characters.
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>>7756416
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>>7739282
as far as i know, Hunters of Dune and SandWorms of Dune are basically fan fictions, i would check them out if you get really desperate. I just don't like the writing style compared to Frank
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>>7729917
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>>7758136
it's really more easily readable compared to the original books, imo it's the story that's the matter.
The first one is really cool in that regard, with unexpected and interesting stuff, but the last is absurd and just exploiting stupidity after stupidity.
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>>7755666
Is that for real? Those gloves are fucking Oakleys.
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>>7728595
i read the first book and i loved it but is there a way to read the rest online since where i live its hard to get the rest of books in the library
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Anyone read the The Black Company is it similar to dune?
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>>7757701
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was just looking for doonpapes, happy to find this thread:))
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>>7729917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WPoGrmjx3o&t=2415s

I sometimes stick this on in the background when I read, gonna finish Children of Dune tonight
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I'm so hyped for Denis' movie.
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no moebius art?

come on , don't be such plebs.
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>>7759042
>gonna finish Children of Dune tonight
that is nice, haven't read it yet so tell us your thoughts about it, is it worth to read 600 pages or not?
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>>7758773
just download ebooks from bookzz/z-lib
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>>7759432
>>7758773

i use 2lib (doot) org for all my books, works rly well
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>>7759267
It's really good! I enjoyed it a lot, i felt it really picked up the pace after Messiah which i thought wasn't as exciting as Dune.
I'm hype to get onto God Emperor now:))
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>>7759444
Have fun
It's quite something
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Was the return of thinking machines something Frank had planned? Were his notes on the seventh book ever released?
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>>7759444
good to know you enjoyed it, I heard some people didn't like it and I was scared to read a 600 page book for nothing. I really liked Messiah which people didn't like too maybe I will like the third
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>>7759784
If you really liked Messiah you will certainly enjoy Children.

Not sure where I saw this but lowkey there's an option 2.5, I think Children is a good place to stop if you don't go on with 4 since it was originally a trilogy.
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>>7760620
nevermind im retarded, checked this thread looking for this image and only saw it once i hit post
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>>7760620
>I think Children is a good place to stop if you don't go on with 4 since it was originally a trilogy.
Isn't the Golden Path mentioned in Children though, as something Paul could see,,but didn't have the guts to go for?
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>>7761320
Yeah for sure thats true. Stopping after Children means you miss out on the seeing the golden path but you do get the end of Paul's story.
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>>7759432
>>7759441
thanks bros
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>>7759447
>dutch tilt
overused
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>>7759580
>Was the return of thinking machines something Frank had planned?
wait wat
>>7759580
>Were his notes on the seventh book ever released?
This. Anyone ever heard of this?
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Wait. Was the throne room that big?
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>>7728408
4th book changed my opinion on what humanity could be, great read truly pushes the bounds on what scifi can be.
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>>7763205
>wait wat
In books 5 and 6 the descendants of the people who have gone into the unknown space are starting to return en masse. It's implied that they are running from something.
In books 7 and 8, which were based on Frank Herbert's notes on the unfinished final book, it's revealed that it's the machines that survived the Butlerian Jihad.
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>>7759255
I like moebius but I kinda hate these designs, except maybe the sardukar. His willow designs are much better imo
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>>7763210
what the philosphy in the fourth book is about? the environment and utopia?
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>>7766857
I think it's less about environment than the others, and looks more at religion and humanity. Should've paid more attention when I read it tho lol
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>>7767060
thanks, wanted to get a heads up so I don't miss the point when reading.
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>>7728365
what is this supposed to represent? arrakeen during messiah and children?
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>>7728595
this guide is shit and incredibly disrespectful and made by plebs
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>>7742895
who are the two to the right?
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>>7728595
>>7760620
>>7767262
This guide is absolutely spot-on, and fair warning to anyone entering into the Dune universe. Brian Herbert's whoring out of his father's legacy is craven disrespectful and disgusting.


>>7728365
>>7767260
>what is this supposed to represent?
Some "artists" fantasy fanfic "inspired by" the idea of Dune.. Almost every single aspect of it violates the description of Arrakeen as provided by Frank Herbert. It's such a horribad "interpretation" that it seems likely the "artist" never read the books. And, it would more likely be an "interpretation" prior to Paul blowing the Shield Wall up with the family atomics.

Pro-hint: Arrakeen had to be hidden inside the Shield Wall to protect it from the storms that continuously ravaged Dune like monster sand hurricanes. Any buildings on the top of the wall would be destroyed within very short order. The worms of Dune were the second or third most deadly thing about the planet, after the storms and lack of surface water.
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>>7767432
there isn't a major drop in quality after god emperor if anything they're better than children or messiah

you guys just can't stand the fact that the main characters are mostly bene gesserit and not your precious paul
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>>7767455
Heretics of Dune is probably my favorite after the first one.
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>>7729917
I can STRONGLY reccomend the dune boardgame to everyone.
It's dune the boardgame not dune empire or whatever else the new one is.

It's a old school classic that has stuck around since the books were made for a good reason: It's fucking great. And it sticks to books really well.
Everyone has base set of rules but each faction breaks the rules ridiculously. Starting from spacing guild getting paid for everyone shipping shit to dune, emperor getting paid for the live auction of cards, artreides being only faction who knows what's on those cards everyone bids on, harkkonnen being harkkonene etc.

IT's an insanely good game and even my friends who were into lame shit like unstable series love it and can't stop playing it.
Dune boardgame is the dune of boardgames.
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>>7767455
>and not your precious paul
precious paul isn't the protagonist in children, and isn't in god emperor at all, but I guess that ruins your narrative, huh?
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>>7766588
Thanks for the info.
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>>7766588
from heretics and chapterhouse i thought the enemy the honored matres were fleeing was implied to be the handlers or even independent face dancers
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>>7771157
Both are revealed to be machine assets.
Handlers actually are face-dancers.
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>>7728595
Someone needs to edit the pic to include The Dune Encyclopedia in option 4. While it wasn't considered canon, it was a good way to expand the universe, and had Herbert's blessing.
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>>7728351
Such a shame it never got made.
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>>7741799
No he is not he is way more then that.....
>Read
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What are those red eyes supposed to represent?
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>>7777789
Leto II has man-eating wolves protecting his palace (or whatever its called lol)
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>>7728595
>god emperor
Now I see where they got that Trump title.
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>>7778059
>man-eating wolves protecting his palace

That's -Beyond- stupid. But I believe it.
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>>7778059
>Leto II

OK I regret googling this...
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>>7778059
>>7779217
They're genetically engineered Dire wolves, specifically enhanced to be the most fucking dangerous wolves to ever walk any planet. Humans are also significantly genetically enhanced by the time God Emperor takes place, in no small part due to Leto II's breeding program that makes the Bene Gesserit Kwisatz Haderach project look like a middle school science project. The Dire Wolves are designed specifically to provide a challenge to the new breed of humans, and weed out the inferior genetics. Leto deliberately lures humans, in particular descendants of the Atreides line, to his fortress as part of the breeding & culling process.

Which is all explained in adequate detail in the first 30 pages or so of God Emperor, and later backed up with hints & comments throughout the book. It's a rather essential plot point revolving around and explaining one of the main characters of the book. It ties in directly with the constraints of following the Golden Path.

You don't forge super humans by coddling them. There is a very Darwinian element to the Golden Path, and the reason why the Bene Gesserit failed and it takes a God Being to follow it.
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I dont know why Dune is so highly regarded among best of the scifi genre. There seems to be really strong following for the Dune series. I have only read the first book and I have to say I found it okay. Didn't think it was as good as the hype is on the internet. At least it didn't tempt me to further read other books in the series. Am I missing something here?
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>>7782011
>Am I missing something here?
Apparently.
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>>7782011
In my case it's the complexity and the details in the universe of the saga that's so complete and full of fascinating ideas (like the missionaria protectiva, wtf that's awesome), and the kitsch-seriousness ov it, kinda like the sober power expressed in the star wars movies, although it's more present in the movie than in the books.
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>>7763208
it was described as being pretty huge. but the main part was the walk up to it was like, so unnecessarily long it was really meant to make you feel small in comparison. and mother giaus's old lady walk made it feel worse. like it was made worse especially for her.
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>>7783222
So romantic!
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>>7766588
Very early in the series, I believe in one of Irulan's chapter heading blurbs, there's a tidbit about the Ixians being presumed to have been designing a self replicating machine virus programmed to end all forms of life as a fall back option in case their homeworld gets threatened.

Frank seeded bits and pieces about ai being the end threat throughout the entire series. God Emperor especially HEAVILY implies that the entire point of The Golden Path and the resulting Scattering was to prepare humanity for some massive trial Leto II saw. Said trial being the machine invasion didn't come from nowhere.
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>>7782011
The first and second book are just the preludes. The full scope of the story isn't realized (by design) until God Emperor.
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>>7784800
Thanks anon. I'll keep on reading then.
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Wow, I thought I had bad taste or something for not liking the fifth book, but seems like plenty of Anons ITT did the same. I had to drop it after 1/5 or so too.
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>>7737574
I keep tryin to play that every now and then using an emulator but with out a usb n64 controller it's useless. the 360 just doesn't work well with that retarded way early 3d shooters were trying to figure out how to control.
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>>7745600
So long as it isn't netflix garbage it has potential. Maybe get ghibli to do it. I liked how they did nausica. Their style would fit... assuming they didn't go CGI too.
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>>7786114
Yeah my main issue with Heretics and Chapterhouse is they delve way too much into the Benet Gesserit, who are way better as an organization the inner workings and goals of which we don't understand. That sense of mystery makes Leto and Paul feel so enormous when they outmaneuver them. I did think the Honored Matres and Face Dancers were still fun villains in those books though, only reason I finished
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>>7785840

Does 'it' really looks like that?
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>>7787202
That's one of the more accurate depictions I've seen. Herbert describes Leto II pretty specifically in God Emperor, and most of it fairly early in the book. His appearance, and how it affects him, is a critical plot element and core to his psychology. It's one of the big sacrifices he made in accepting his role on the Golden Path.

Also similar takes:
>>7784244
>>7780531

This him during his initial transformation stage at the end of Children of Dune
>>7759561

Leto II's final form as depicted on the classic cover of God Emperor is not very accurate. He is not that huge, the color is wrong, his face & arms are not correct. It's a dramatic depiction to put on a bookstand for sales, but ignores most of Herbert's description from the text of the book.
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>>7784574
Sorry. This was one of the posts I meant to link to >>7787256

Since I'm burning another post, I did an image search for "god emperor of dune art" and there are a lot of interpretations. Some are quite retarded and ignore Herbert, others are damned decent attempts.

Pic related is one of the "better" ones in my opinion. One clear thing Herbert mentioned was Leto II's arms, and how they were smallish and nearly vestigial, almost useless and very vulnerable. He was protected from most weapons by his wormskin, but if his arms weren't protected in time he would break them when he had to roll around (such as when attacking or avoiding attack), causing him horrible pain.
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>>7787265
Here's another take on Leto II's transformation phase at the end of Children.
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>>7790915
The original. Great movie.
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>>7778724
Thats warhammer 40k, anon.
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>>7782011
>I dont know why Dune is so highly regarded among best of the scifi genre
i don't know why dune is loved but no one cares about known space by larry niven which started being printed at around the same time
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>>7784797
by the end of god emperor that future has been averted
>>7786114
you do and so does everyone else with the same opinion itt
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>>7728346
Disgusting.
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>>7731657
Sleep is unironically Dune related by this point in time
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>>7728009
Super cool artwork. I'm working through lotr and related works and hope I can get through dune after
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>>7735363
Is Alia not Paul's daughter? Paul didn't have any siblings.
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>>7794557
Alia was Paul's younger sister. Jessica was pregnant with her when Duke Leto died. She was still pregnant with her when Jessica took the Water of Life ceremony with the old Fremen Seer. Because of the experience, which is effectively a merging of minds and spirits, Alia became a fully aware Reverend Mother before she was born, with the full genetic memories of her entire matrilineal ancestry. Plus the entire matrilineal ancestry of every Reverend Mother that had ever shared with any of her direct ancestors. Thousands upon thousands of generations of memories & personalities. Since she didn't have the chance to be born, grow up, and receive education & training prior to being awakened with full consciousness & archive of memories, she never developed the strength of her own personality to resist those previous 'imprints' of her ancestors. The Bene Gesserit call such mistakes an Abomination and usually insist that such beings be terminated.

> tl;dr -- She weren't right in the head after that.

One of the Great Questions of the Dune story: why did the Sisterhood not assassinate Alia, especially early in her childhood? It isn't addressed directly, which you would think they *could* have accomplished if they dedicated enough resources, but ... Paul, as the failed Kwisatz Haderach, probably could see all the paths where the Sisterhood might succeed and managed to steer the timeline(s) away from that event. Alia herself held most of the powers of a Kwisatz Haderach, so she probably was able to exert her own influence on he timeline(s).

Anyway, yes, she was Paul's sister, the daughter Jessica was supposed to have had instead of Paul. Alia was supposed to have had a child, probably by a Harkonnen, who was originally intended to be the Sisterhood's planned Kwisatz Haderach. The Sisterhood wasn't perfectly certain about that, either. They just knew they were very close to the culmination of heir breeding program, and Alia's grandchild might have been it.
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>>7794897
>Paul, as the failed Kwisatz Haderach
wait wat
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>>7795343
he was. Genetically he was the ne, but he didnt follow the golden path- leto did. So even though paul had "the right stuff", he chose the easy way out, because the golden path was such a hideous undertaking.
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>>7795599
leto isn't the kwisatz haderach. he is something else unforeseen by the bene gesserit
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>>7757575
Seriously.
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>>7758776
Yes I have. No it isn't.
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>>7795601
>>7795608

Thanks.
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>>7797242
anytime bro
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>>7740183
I read it. It's one of those things that if you choose not to read it, you'll constantly have it on your mind and want to, because chapterhouse ends on a HUGE cliffhanger. But when you do read hunters + sandstorms, you regret that you did. Lose-lose, my friend.
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>>7797326
what do you think would've happened in the REAL dune 7 with sheeana, idaho, the honored matres, etcetera?
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>>7798038
That's kind of the genius of Frank Herbert when he was writing. It was impossible to predict where he was going with almost everything in his stories. Where he broke off Chapterhouse, almost anything could have happened with any and every faction, and almost anything could have happened between any and every faction. Brian's "interpretation" of Frank's notes is a polluted abomination by an intellectually stunted imagination, so the rest of us will never have access to what Frank was attempting. Even if Frank's original raw notes were to be published, we'll never really be able to predict where Frank might have taken the stories as he developed them.

Very much, we are left with Plato's description of Human perception of Life and Reality, where he described our ability to perceive the world as being limited to being chained inside a cave where we can only observe some shadows from the world outside the cave on the wall we are facing, away from the cave entrance. Like Milton's Paradise Lost, we get a somewhat clear glimpse of the first two pages of a 100 page poem that was in his head before someone knocked on the door and interrupted him before he finished writing it down. We will only ever see the Leaf By Niggle, and no way to even imagine what the rest of the tapestry might have looked like.

It's really soul-crushing every time I think about it. Most every other sci fi and speculative fiction writer I've ever read, I can imagine a better story than they told. I can pick apart their mistakes and inconsistencies and work out a better path than they navigated and rewrite significant sections or even the entire remaining half of what they published. A very few of them I can only ride the story, even if it has flaws, with little or no ability to get inside their headspaces and predict how they progress their narrative. And, Frank Herbert was one of the most impenetrable minds of them all. He is in a very rarefied class.
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>>7728011
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>>7766501
Cains the planetologyst is now a black woman?

lmao fuck netflix
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>>7798850
It gets better. Her daughter is Chani. Leto II the God Emperor is black.

>WE
>WUZ
>GOD EMPERORS
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>>7798850
For those who doubt what a raving whore Brian Herbert is ...

Guess who signed off on the rewrite?
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>>7794897
>why did the Sisterhood not assassinate Alia, especially early in her childhood?
If you're talking when she was with Paul before the coup on the Padishah, I think it was because they were all technically dead. If you're talking about after Paul became Emperor, it's because he would've purged them all.
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>>7798850
jesus..
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>>7798858
who
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>>7728354
Saved! Thx, anon.
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>>7756416
Agreed... so much looks like it's out of a tacticool catalog.
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>>7798856
SOURCE for such an outrageous claim

goddamit there is no escape from woke culture. this completely negates kynes cool backstory about being an offworlder who was accepted and lived with a people thought of as wild savages? HOW IS THAT NOT WOKE ENOUGH
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>>7798038
battle against the sentient face dancers. their tech is exponentially better than anything the matres or tleilaxu have. the sentient face dancers were what the matres were running from. bene tleilax disregared the ban on thinking machines and now everyone pays the price, we have now engineered humans, once programmed like machines, are now excersizing free will. a new, more powerfull thinking machine.

Butlerian Jihad 2: Electric Bogalloo
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>>7798109
>Even if Frank's original raw notes were to be published

Not that anon but Frank's notes was my very next question. Are you seriously telling me that those notes have NOT been made pubic?
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>>7745077
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>>7800811
what's this scene supposed to be? sheeana in the scattering?
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>>7803627
Without knowing for sure, when I look at it my impression is that it's Alia of the Knife addressing her cult during Children of Dune. There may be details & clues for a different explanation, but I just assumed that's Arakeen during the original three novels while Dune is still a massive desert planet. In God Emperor (10,000 years later), Leto II has transformed Arakis into a garden planet with a small section still desert enough to keep the Little Makers alive ... So I'm using that logic to place the image back before Leto II had made significant progress on that project.

While there are other desert planets by the time of Heretics, where factions are trying to raise sandworms & the reproduce that entire ecology, a huge, ostentatious city like that with a seeming priestess being worshiped by throngs doesn't really fit that time frame. Therefore, again, back to Children of Dune and Alia in Arakeen.
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>>7803628
that was my second thought
although when alia delivers hers homilies/sermons she is inside the fane and i don't remember arrakeen building being so tall
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>>7731639
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>>7802928
I just saw this last night It looks amazing.
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>>7731657
this actually rules
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>>7803628
Totally agree, just pointing out that Leto ruled for 3500 years, not 10k
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yup its this

another by same artist "Temple of Alia"





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