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>think Solarpunk is really cool
>want to look into it more
>find nothing by tumblrite and liberals that LARP as communists
It's all so tiresome
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>>7913619
You're not bound to or be the same. The goal is to have hope in the future and walk towards a better tomorrow.
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>>7913657
Yes, but i just wish i could discuss solar punk ideas with people that are more "right wing," at least in comparison with those i come across in these circles. Besides, from what I've seen of these people, they go far beyond a "hopeful future" and go all out utopian and scifi. This devolves things into gimmicky vertical farms in art, while in the real making people believe things like keeping things green while having a 8-10 billion population. It actually has made me scratch my head. I came because of an aesthetic, and wanted to stay because there were actual practical ways of achieving a balance between tech and nature, with a philosophical basis. Instead, we just have people who are attached to an aesthetic and nothing more, or at the very best they're clouded by fantasies of how to achieve it
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I like the idea of solarpunk but most art is just shitty modernist or ugly buildings slapped on with solar tech
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>>7913785
Exactly what I've been saying! I personally love art deco and classical much much more, but sadly solar punk is so often covered in these "futuristic" looking buildings. Slapping on some vines doesn't make them better. Go back to comfier buildings, with maybe a few exceptions for historical reasons. It's especially annoying with one's like this >>7912912
where there's more tech and buildings than nature. It almost seems to go against the very principal's you'd assume from such an aesthetic niche.
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>>7913784
Right wing backlashes generally contain "back to nature" movements, be patient
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solar energy and traditional architecture can fit quite well if you do it properly
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>>7914194
>time for a new roof
>have to remove every single fucking panel and strut
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>>7914280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HaTyLj_2zo
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>>7913784
solarpunk seems fairly neoliberal and centrist to me
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ideologies make life miserable, solarpunk is a way to make life more comfy
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>>7914640
Capitalism and liberalism/neoliberalism is literally antithetical to living with nature in any way
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>>7914893
As opposite to what the subhuman socialists did to the Karachay lake, right?
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>>7914953
Two things can be antithetical to living with nature, even three things could. One thing being wrong doesn't imply anything else being right. Depending on how far you run with that, life can start to look like a pretty sick joke. Get out the cesspool anon. Focus on your actual life.
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>>7913787
pretty sure that's supposed to be the citadel presidium from mass effect.
very much not solar punk, just a park for the rich elite.
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>>7914893

Benito Mussolini's Centralized Capitalism allowed the Italian government to interfere with business just to ensure their aren't pointless rate hikes, layoffs and pollution. This made Italy a great place to settle down.
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>>7915976
>Centralized Capitalism allowed the Italian government to interfere with business

which is just a fancy way of admitting to some flavor of fairly extreme socialism without openly saying the words, or to put it another way, it's just another example of the classic leftist deflection tactic

fact is that true capitalism can neither be 'centralized' nor should the government interfere with it, if either or both of those conditions exist in your 'capitalist' state then it's not capitalist at all, it's actually socialist bordering on communist depending on the level of government interference

additionally, some of the people might have thought it worked on some level but pre-43 Italy was in fact a total mess, though post-43 Italy was much worse once the commies got a foothold throughout society, though this does explain why the Italian economy was permanently in the toilet - never trust a socialist to run your economy, guaranteed they'll only ruin it instead
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>>7915976
Benito was not capitalist, faggot.
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wallpapers please,
not wall of text
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>>7913619
>>7913784
>This shit again
Shut the fuck up conservatard, solarpunk is a criticism of capitalist industrial society as much as cyberpunk is.
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>>7913936
This is corporate shit, not solarpunk
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>>7913784
I don't wanna come off as needlessly rude or ideological, but anything-punk is a set of worlds being explored from an anarchist/communist lens, so I think you're barking up the wrong tree here.

In these aesthetics, right wing ideology is explicitly framed counter to positive outcomes (solarpunk), or explicitly the cause of negative outcomes (cyberpunk).

I think this is well justified. Zooming in on solarpunk, some core features of the genre (socialized automation, environmentalism, bodily autonomy, postwork) are clearly opposed by the right. More broadly, conservatism has trouble envisioning the future, since opposing change is fairly central to its ideology.

All that is to say, you won't see me going into retrowave facism threads complaining that I can't find any fellow tranny communists.
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>>7915985

You seems do not have know the real meaning of Socialism or Communism. Communism is abolishment of private property; allocation of resources and redistribution of wealth according to who need it the most. Karl Marx's intended in to happen through tradition democracy.

Mean while Socialism; is doing all these things without the need of democracy or abolishing all private properties.

Here it is different not partially different than Mussolini but completely because he didn't abolish private property nor redistributed wealth. He simply help organize business to not hurt the quality of life. Only through out the war he nationalized all major industry.

Also, Fascist Italy economy was not a mess. By the mid-1930s, Fascist Italy had achieved an irregular rate of real economic growth in which some sectors had made quite spectacular gains. The total volume of agricultural production, for example, rose in Fascist Italy from the base index of 100 in 1922 to 147.8 in 1937, while population growth, similarly indexed, had risen only to 111. By 1937, Fascist Italy was producing 15.5 quintals of wheat per hectare, whereas it had produced only 9.5 quintals per hectare in 1922. For the first time in its modern history, Italy was producing enough wheat for its domestic population.

The aggregate indices of industrial production in Fascist Italy suggest measurable advances. There was a general improvement, with the index rising to 182.2 in 1934. The metallurgical, building, automotive, aircraft, textile, and hydroelectrical generating industries all showed advances. As early as the mid-1930s, American economists reported that Fascist Italy had “made considerable progress in the expansion of some of her industries.” The standardized figures that became available after the end of the Second World War indicate that Fascist Italy sustained a credible rate of real economic growth when compared to the resource-favored capitalist countries.
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>>7915986

I know that. That is why he regulated the market then nationalized 75% of it during war.
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>>7916089
>Mean while Socialism; is doing all these things without the need of democracy

Strange then that in just about every single case where a nation embraces some form of socialism or other all the way up to and including communism, they either love to use the word 'Democratic' in their countries name, or they'll throw the word 'Democratic' about willy-nilly to describe their nations political policies... even though nothing the political left does has anything whatsoever to do with actual true Democracy.

In other words, it's yet another example of the political left saying one thing and meaning the exact opposite; just like when socialist politicians (of any flavor) claim to be 'for the people' even after it's been repeatedly demonstrated that the political class ruling any kind of socialist nation, be it past or present, has rarely if ever given a shit about anyone except themselves and their own personal health and wealth, and yet people are still stupid enough to keep choosing socialism, despite all the best evidence against it, all because they've been spoonfed some bullshit dream of the socialist utopia that in reality is entirely unattainable and which would quickly devolve into most peoples idea of a nightmare.

>>7916002
As just one example of why you couldn't be more wrong with your generalisations, there are plenty of conservatives and old-school liberals (not 'modern liberals') who are more than interested in 'environmentalism', they just see the generally terrible ideas constantly put forward by the political left for what they truly are, an utter waste of time, effort, resources, and money, especially when there ARE alternative and superior ways to actually achieve a clean and green environment that wouldn't require massive, mostly useless, and not eco-friendly, windfarms and solar arrays, and which also wouldn't result in modern major towns and cities suffering from constant brownouts and blackouts as is increasingly happening around the world.
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>>7914280
Oh no, this will be annoying at my biweekly roof-renewal!
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>>7916132

In Socialism a single class rule all other class but that doesn't mean quality of life is bad. In Vietnam and Nazi Germany quality of life increased by a lot. It depends on what type of ruling class is that define the quality of life in Socialist states.

Plus, unlike Capitalism where proto-Feudalism can be established to keep many of the competitors from rising up in Socialist state the ruling class isn't fixed by blood line or families. But people made successors by the ruling class which can be both my bloodline or technocracy or democracy. Mean while in Capitalism it is the company that makes the most money influence the politics most. And these people are the stakeholders and those who inherit these wealth.

So, basically it all not fixed for what will happen in these states. It also depend on geopolitical situations.
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>>7916208
Any more info like this?
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>>7915993
Wow that is a beautiful outfit
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>>7915995
>>7916002
If you think the "right" is made up of only capitalists that hate environmentalism, you've never ventured beyond boomer conservatives and magatards. Expected from a tunnel visioned Marxist
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>>7913785
Because solarpunk is just a bunch of right wing libertarian greenwashing bullshit by people who don't understand politics beyond aesthetics.
Solarpunk is already right wing, it's literally: "what if post industrial US-style economically and environmentally unsustainable urbanism with modern and postmodern architecture that make businessmen cream their pants (pic related), but plants everywhere", it just presents itself on a superficial woke package that neither you nor the terminally online "leftists" can deconstruct and analyze.
It's just like how in the movie Robots the large scale social problem that came to be happened because of a bad capitalist and it was completely solved by replacing him with a good capitalist. In solarpunk it would be replacing the giant big oil industry with a giant wind/solar energy industry.
>>7913784
Just look at that animation, the girl goes to school on a flying bus, how much you wanna bet that bus is powered by lithium batteries mined from US-occupied Bolivia? How much you wanna bet those blimp-turbines are made with plastic fibers?
Now you tell me that you want to repackage that solarpunk in a conservative right wing way? You can't. Because right wing conservatism already bars you from even superficially opposing the specific set of powerful people, let alone systems, you live under.
Conservative environmentalism is the opposite; where solarpunks care for the environment and pretend to rebel against power, the former protects power while pretending to care for the environment.
But you can't just put a bunch of trees on a skycraper and expect it not to collapse in a few years.
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>>7915998
>not solarpunk
>pictured are massive solar panels in a city

Isn't that the idea? A future where we produce renewable energy as best as possible without fossil fuels
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>>7916953
Disregard Communist opinions.
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>>7916871
All right-wingers ever do is steal and appropriate anything left-wing. It happens time and time again. They stole words like "libertarian" and "anarchy" and they ruin organic cultural movements like punk or any anti-establishment community and shit it up with right wing bullshit because they're too dumb and unoriginal to come up with their own, so they steal from the same cultures that they hate and vilify. You don't care about solarpunk, you only care about the aesthetics because you're a vapid shallow fuck who is only interested in the most surface level aspects.
>>7916970
Solarpunk and corporatism cannot coexist
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>>7916089
>moneyless society
>redistribution of wealth
Pick one
It seems you don't know the real meaning of socialism and communism either.
>>7916263
You don't know what socialism is. Socialism has nothing to do with how the government is organized or what the government does, socialism only describes the way things in a society are produced and the ownership of things to be used by the public. Whether government is involved or not is irrelavant. Socialism does not equal state socialism
>>7916132
>they just see the generally terrible ideas constantly put forward by the political left
What terrible ideas? Any ideas they have must be better than greenwashing the problems away with useless shit like more tax, carbon offsetting and other worthless control measures. You have no interest in real solutions, you just want to brush the problems and consequences away and wash your hands of the damage you're enabling. You don't care about the environment because you people are ignorant of everything that happens outside the human-centric bubble.
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>>7916973
yeah they can, this is your rose tinted view of the future, when it'll just be starvation and misery
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>>7918017

Wealth is more then many. Like land, assets, and machinery. Money is any form of currency, cash or credit. For it to become a moneyless society it requires distribution of wealth after abolishing private property.

So, I did not got it wrong. I clearly stated that Socialism is where not all private property is required to be abolished. As well that it can be dictatorship and democracy.

What you are defining is specific type of socialism. The modern one. Socialism have existed for a long time. It is older then Christianity and have changed many time through the history.
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>>7916953
>It's just like in that movie Robots
Lmao. If he weren't dead, I'd think you were Mark Fisher.
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>>7915995
Cyberpunk is utopia in comparison to what we have now. Solarpunk is just an aesthetic with organic architecture and ghibli movies.
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>>7918412
WTF? Cyberpunk is the end result of what we have now.
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>>7918042
Stop trying to coopt and greenwash solarpunk ideas into corporate eco-modernist bullshit.
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I disagree
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>>7918454
Clockwork Orange's therapeutic, debauched clown world is closer to what we have now than the corporatist, hyper-urbanized wet dream that is Blade Runner.
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>>7913619
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>>7913787
Solarpunk started as a way of people genuinely asking "How can we make buildings that are ecological or in line with the environment?" before it devolved into the typical leftist garbage where the idea became greenwashed to "Slap something green on preexisting architecture". It's not about creating new forms of habitation that coexist with nature like the Sabah Al Ahmad Sea City in Kuwait, that's real Solarpunk. Instead we get shit like the palm islands and world islands that those Saudi bastards built. Right now, if you want to impress the solarpunk reddit (Albeit the fact they're redditors, but they are the largest known solarpunk community) take a concept art of a sky scraper, put some green blobs on it and slab a hammer and sickle and it'll be their top post.
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>>7914560
I know at this point I'm just angrily shitting on "Solarpunk", but do these fucknugget artist actually realize how loud wind turbines are? At 200 yards (Which I'd say is a bit less than the left most turbine is to the glass is) the noise it produces is almost 70 decibels. For reference, light traffic is about 80 and conversations are 55-65. Imagine trying to enjoy the waterfront that you put so much energy into preserving to be unable to have a conversation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKgN2G9d0dc
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>>7914568
This one is totally ineffective since half the solar panels don't actually work but its aesthetic so I'll give it a pass
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>>7912912
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>>7916002
Classic slap green onto a skyscraper
>>7914569
I don't think they understand how much energy it would cost to keep a tank like that circulating with oxygenated water, plus the corrosion on a salt tank. A koi pond would be better
>>7915998
Imagine the noise on this baby
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>>7915780
Pic goes hard. anyways, I'm done shitting on shitty solarpunk, time to have an actual discussion

>>7914820
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>>7914953
>>7914981
To me, solarpunk is not a political idea, but a cultural one. Much like how the west is guilt driven whereas the east is shame driven, or how some nations have a stronger emphasis on the family unit while others have a stronger emphasis on the individual, solarpunk is a cultural idea that we must preserve the environment for our future generations, and politics is the way to achieve it.
>>7915995
Solarpunk was an idea about going against consumerism, single use, and our general way of life as we know it that go coopted by globohomo agents into a feel good greenwashing campaign. It is not a criticism, for if it was a criticism it would have a solution, rather it is just a reaction.
>>7916002
>anything-punk is a set of worlds being explored from an anarchist/communist lens
Actually a good take. Thanks anon. Any suggestions for what a right wing name for a green tech movement would be apart from Eco fascism?
>>7916953
hey another good take
>>7916970
I know I said I was going to stop shitting on the pictures but what the fuck is actually happening here??? Does the artist know how rivers work?
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Anyways, before I start my 5th argument about which ism is the best (Ps, its not communism), here's some serious thoughts on solving the solarpunk issue.

Firstly, Architects need to stop worrying about whether a building is solar punk enough or whatever fuck shit is going through their numbnut brains. Your job is to make a pretty building, not to slap grass all over it like you're trying to hide your lack of creativity. Most of the CO2 emissions in a building are a result of construction, by making more beautiful buildings that we want to keep for years will have a far better impact on the environment than sticking a fucking fig tree in the urinal ever will. Look at the coliseum, the basilica of Jupiter, the aqueducts. I can guarantee they all created a lot of carbon even with early construction techniques, but I can promise you over their lifetime, buildings like those that do no crumble will have a positive impact on the environment since we do not need to keep cutting down trees or making cement to build more. The average house life in Japan is 30 years, American houses are maybe 10-20 years better? Ok build it out of renewable materials, sure, but what is the real cost in moving these materials, processing, building, and tearing it down again every few decades? Not to mention constant upgrades to keep up with the trends. No! Build something meant to last the eons instead. Let whatever godforsaken creature that lands on our planet and sees our ruins know that we lived in beautiful houses that last generations!

The second thing is to begin to use science, look at the old ways of cooling with heat wells, natural ventilation, evaporation cooling, so on and so forth. Look at how the Indians dug great wells to preserve their water! Glass is now easier to produce than ever, let us begin to build courtyards and indoor ponds to help regulate heat better! If we must use air conditioners, let us use it strategically to ensure the greatest energy efficiency!
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Now, the other thing is to change the way we live. This artist is probably a fucking idiot, but he has the right idea. We must turn away from fossil fuels and ev batteries, instead focusing on creating walkable neighborhoods, encouraging cycling, having public transportation that is easier to use than cars, etc. We must redesign in a way that it is easier for people to do what we want than what we don't want. People are not inherently good nor bad, but lazy. They will always follow the path of least resistance. In the new world where industrialization reached long before cities could properly form, you see the suburb everywhere because the path of least resistance is the car. Yes, now we must delve into the politics of how do we keep a city and its train systems safe, how do we do all these minor details, but it comes back to the culture of the people.

Forgot to add, but we need to build with local material. Not only does it give our building a character and style unmatched in the world, it is also better due to lower transport and processing, and the fact is is our local materials, we are responsible for the health of our land, not the yellow man across the ocean. Let us look back to the centuries our ancestors spent developing ways to beat the elements and use local materials as well as their design philosophies to actually fucking solve the problem instead of sticking ranch houses and glass skyscrapers dildos everywhere. In my homeland I have yet to see one cool neon pagoda styled skyscraper, but instead the same skyscrapers in the occident, all copied and pasted across. How depressing, how shameful it is we lost our culture in chasing the trends.

Anyways, that's all from me. Have a good one lads
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>walkable cities
>local material
>learn from the past
>green energy
This is more like it. I'm glad to have read this, anon. Hope you have a good one too, bud
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The aims of solarpunk is a contradiction. The people in this movement naively think that the issues caused by industrialization technology can be fixed with more industrial technology. Solar panels require mined materials other "renewable energy" such as wind turbines require energy to build and can be harmful to the ecosystem when solarpunk is meant to be about "living WITH nature", not beside it.

The issue we face with environmental destruction is not the fuel we use, but civilisation itself.
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You're right, there's hardly any solarpunk here. This is REAL solarpunk. No gay tech or greenwashed globohomo bullshit.
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can you fuckers go be cringe in your hyperborea threads or better yet on /pol/? this is a board for posting wallpapers. holy shit.
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>>7919328
I don't know what you're talking about. There's plenty of wallpapers here. If there's anyone not posting wallpapers here it's you, so you might as well leave.
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can you fuckers go be cringe in your trannie/communist/socialist/blacked threads or better yet on reddit? this is a board for posting wallpapers. holy shit




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>>7919111
Agree. I kinda hope there can be some more feasible realistic offshoot of Solarpunk later on. Regardless, the aesthetic can still be nice to me at times
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>>7919111
>"living WITH nature", not beside it.
I never saw it like that. I just saw it more as a sustainable future, not full on "tribal' living. I can imagine solar punk using sustainable solar panels by making them very efficient or even using some experimental sources of energy. Sure, I do realize that means it would need to be something more than poeple slapping trees on buildings and jizzing over it, but that's besides the point.

In general, solarpunk seems very boring. It doesn't have to be, but what came to be known as cyberpunk had blade runner and neuromancer behind it. Solarpunk has what, few tumblr post? And it's just aesthetics too. You never see anyone coming up with some cool ideas on organizing society or some cool technology or anything. You just have boomers with cold war hysteria crying about commies and twitter edgy checkmarks giving "muh communism is necessary" talks. I know I'm being a dick, but after seeing these conversatiosn so many times I am bored by them.
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>>7912274
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These would murder so many birbs, holy shit.
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>>7916973
>Solarpunk and corporatism cannot coexist
The Venus Project seems a bit like corporatism. Sorry, could not find /wg/ sized images.
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>>7914640
>solarpunk seems fairly neoliberal and centrist to me
Hard to tell. It was a protest against the grimdark dystopia of Cyberpunk, and those books were written by authors on the left. Wm Gibson twitters as @greatdismal, and you can quickly tell where in the landscape he is.
So would Solarpunk be on the right? It might be, only people comfortably off will have the time to prioritize nature, ecology etc. while the majority is more concerned about surviving.
Mind you, people "well off" include a lot of pseudo intellectuals who somehow are able to life off taxpayer's money because they are "important", somehow.

A Solarpunk world is not realistic yet, the world needs a lot of energy to run. Desalination to turn deserts green require enormous amounts of power. Most likely such a world would depend on vast amounts of fusion power.
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>>7913784
>Yes, but i just wish i could discuss solar punk ideas with people that are more "right wing," at least in comparison with those i come across in these circles.
Some of these ideas can easily be hijacked by people on either side of the spectrum, see Völkisch movement. I am not sure what wing you see on 4ch, but here in Europe, a lot of social democratic people have a lot of thinly veiled fascist tendencies. The EU is refusing to admit the Energiwendung including decommissioning nuclear power stations has been an utter failure that played straight into the hands of Putin. Now they are powering up coal and oil fired power stations, and we are still in summer.
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>>7924252
>A Solarpunk world is not realistic yet, the world needs a lot of energy to run. Desalination to turn deserts green require enormous amounts of power. Most likely such a world would depend on vast amounts of fusion power.

Solar power IS fusion power. Tt's there, up in the sky and an technology to harvest this power is ready. All you need to do is slapping some solar panels on your roof. Grow some plants in your garden and you got solarpunk at home.
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>>7923871
Because humans like cats as pets and we protect them and keep them medically alive longer in captivity, we have waaaay too many of them compared to natural bird populations.
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>>7924397
>Solar power IS fusion power.
With sufficient autistic power level, sure. Solar power and wind power, as we normally speak of these, are entirely dependent on weather and day/night cycle. A fusion power station provides a reliable base load, and at better efficiencies.
A modern solar panel gives you up to 15 percent energy conversion efficiency, and if you also collect the heat you get perhaps 70 percent thermal efficiency, from which you can run a Stirling engine with 5 percent efficiency. That is not much. Same with plants, photosynthesis has only 1 (one) percent conversion efficiency. Even if you did some fancy genetic engineering and combined with photo rhodopsin, you may perhaps reach 3 percent.
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>>7924592
Fusion power is a fairy tale. Solar power is reality.
We wigured out ways to store electricity for a few hours long ago.
"conversion efficiency" is not even an issue, it's al about cost and meanwhile solar is cheaper then everything else
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>>7915995
basado
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How about A Certain Scientific Railgun as a Solarpunk world?
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>>7923780
I am aware that cats are bird genocide in a cute fury form. I also work near the wind turbines. It is often difficult to get to one without re-enacting Terminator 2 intro scene of walking on field of bones. They kill shitload of birds and the fact that something murders even more birds is not an argument.
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>>7923598
Good, fuck birds. They don't even have the intelligence to avoid something that is clearly a hazard lmao
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>>7926620
Some of them (corvids) are way more intelligent than cats. And (you).
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>>7916002
there's nothing that scream "bodily autonomy" or "socialism" or "anti-capitalism" about those pics, it's just cityscape with either modern architecture with green or 19th century asian/european industrial architecture with green. >>7918906
>Any suggestions for what a right wing name for a green tech movement would be apart from Eco fascism?
national ecology, eco-conservatism, or just "ecology".
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>>7916973
listen for a sec
either you accept that technology is here to stay, and you find a way for it to be less polluting as possible
or you want to abandon technology as a whole. by that point, they will not be any "left wing", socialist/communist movement, because they won't be any industry to socialize, any working class to protect. without technology, people will have to back to pre-industriel time. cool right ? if you forgot the death rate, disease, lack of product and education.

also, saying the "right winger" stole "libertarian and anarchy" is a joke. it's like saying the democrat stole the abolition movement in the 19th. the polical spectrum changed, the left is more restrictive than before, which is resented by the libertarians, who follow the libertarian ideology, like their predecessor.
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>>7926836
>people will have to back to pre-industriel time. cool right ?
Yes, very cool. Fuck the left and fuck industrialization, livable pre-industrial lifestyles is the only realistic long term goal.
>if you forgot the death rate, disease, lack of product and education
Good, it's because of industrial society that we have so many people on the fucking planet in the first place. The deaths that would come would just be the restoration of balance in the world. The deaths and diseases that come from the collapse of the system would be far less than the diseases and genetic defects that modernity allows to exist.
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>>7923871
You're actually retarded if you think your domesticated cat, which is originally from the Fertile Crescent, that is introduced to your area is helping with local population control. Keep your shitty cat indoors if it kills the local wildlife you mouth breather.
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>>7915985
>everything exists on a scale from capitalist to communist
>when the government does stuff the scale moves towards communism. The more stuff it does the more communister it is.
dude you are literally a meme
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>every thread, without fail
Solarpunk is a skin-deep AESTHETIC and nothing more. Stop discussing its political merits, nothing good will come of it.
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>>7916002
An excellent example of why Capitalism and Green solutions for the impending environmental crisis are the Nordic countries. While they maintain a green policy at home, outside of their country they have many companies investing in mining and having shit environmental practices that bring a good amount of money home. Another good one is Coca-Cola, using an enormous amount of money on green campaigns trying to tinker 'individual choice' over a rather abstract 'we should pollute less' and yet is the major single-use polluter brand.

There is indeed no alternative, capitalism will always fail to bring us the green solutions we so desperately need and can only adequately offer us greenwashing cover-ups. It is either Socialism or Barbarism.
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>>7915985
The interference of governments is exactly what capitalism is
>>7927077
Barbarism would do more for the planet than any civilization would whether it was capitalist or socialist.
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>>7927027
Civilisations grown in complexity and the only thing that can reset it is an all out civilisation collapse, as we saw in Rome. It went from an administrative megacity to a tiny agriculture based village in just decades, and the change in quality of life was not always negative. Since many had a better life afterwards, there were no attempts to rcover the emipre status.

Rome was a great place to live if you were a young, wealthy man in very good health. For the rest it was rather bad.

>>7927058
>Solarpunk is a skin-deep AESTHETIC and nothing more.
No. The very reason we are having these discussions is that Solarpunk is a lot more than mere aesthetics.
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>>7916953
It should hurt to be as much of an odious douchebag as you are.
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>>7918902
they swivel
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>>7927372
Oh it would for sure. =
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Solarpunk is a cool aestethic but it seems to me that making it into a reality would take so much but give almost nothing back
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>>7928866
It's super easy and it's already happening.
Also solar/fusion "punk" may be the only sustainable future.
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>>7929059
I mean sure its easy enough to make a house or a village solarpunk, but how do you make a mega city solarpunk, its gonna take astronomical amounts of money and resources.
Irregardless tho, i just cant see a future in which electricity is being used at a scale its being used today being sustainable, not truly sustainable anyhow. Whichever route you go you eventually run out of resources, in the very long run anyhow. Solar panels dont just appear out of thin air, you need resources, you need to dig them up, refine them, make the panels, and than dispose of them. Its not a clean process, cleaner than energy production today sure, but not clean, and in the very long run, eventually, you run out of resources. You go nuclear fusion, hydrogen, or whatever else you use for it isnt infinite either. They can last for a very very long time sure, but not infinitely.
Idk the way i see it, as long as we use electricity at the scale we use it now, i see every possible solution like an anesthetic. You got shot, you receive and anesthetic, you're still messed up, you just cant feel the pain for a while longer.
Maybe im retarded tho and all i wrote is false, i havent put much thought into it lately, im on the black pill about environmentalism lately.
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>>7929377
>I mean sure its easy enough to make a house or a village solarpunk, but how do you make a mega city solarpunk, its gonna take astronomical amounts of money and resources.
Most of all it will take a lot of area for the greenery and power to keep things running.
>Irregardless tho, i just cant see a future in which electricity is being used at a scale its being used today being sustainable, not truly sustainable anyhow. Whichever route you go you eventually run out of resources, in the very long run anyhow.
Given sufficient electrical power, recycling is easy.
>Solar panels dont just appear out of thin air, you need resources, you need to dig them up, refine them, make the panels, and than dispose of them.
Solar panels are made of silicon, the very most abundant element in Earth's crust. Even if you covered the entirety of the cglobe and also the moon, you would not use up all the silicon in the crust.
>You go nuclear fusion, hydrogen, or whatever else you use for it isnt infinite either. They can last for a very very long time sure, but not infinitely.
Strictly speaking true, however the energy in the hydrogen in plain sea water is plenty for the foreseeable future.
>Idk the way i see it, as long as we use electricity at the scale we use it now, i see every possible solution like an anesthetic. You got shot, you receive and anesthetic, you're still messed up, you just cant feel the pain for a while longer.
There is a lot of research and development in all fields of energy and it is reasonable to assume this problem will be cracked. A problem is that probably even more money is going into talking about climate. The COP-26 attendees preferred to arrive by air, no video conference for these guys of course.
>Maybe im retarded tho and all i wrote is false, i havent put much thought into it lately, im on the black pill about environmentalism lately.
There is plenty of hope.
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>>7929400
>Solar panels are made of silicon, the very most abundant element in Earth's crust. Even if you covered the entirety of the cglobe and also the moon, you would not use up all the silicon in the crust.
And all that abundance will create an abundance of waste. Solar panels are discarded only after at least 25 to 30 years, and most have been installed only in recent years which would have an earths crust worth of landfill.
>There is a lot of research and development in all fields of energy and it is reasonable to assume this problem will be cracked
In other words, no solution. Technology got us into this problem, technology won't get us out, it will only create more. Fixing mistakes with even more mistakes.
>There is plenty of hope
Maybe there is, but we can't put it on the system or the people in charge of it. We don't need politicians or science, we need the will to fight against our doom.
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>>7929453
What are you even talking about?
One of the oldest solar farms is meanwhile over 40 years. Still running on almost original capacity. Meanwhile technology has been improved.
Recycling is not this hard. Technologies already exist.
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>>7927124
>No. The very reason we are having these discussions is that Solarpunk is a lot more than mere aesthetics.

Not really, it's just retard leftoids trying to say that this utopia could only happen under one of their regimes, for normal people it's just places in the future with plants around.
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>>7923780
these things also shred tons of essential insects and bats btw
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>>7929569
my cat shreads insects, lizards all kind of small animals like crazy
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>>7929400
All your points are valid i guess and i hope you're right. But as you mentioned they probably spend more money to talk about climate than actually trying to imrpove things. And thats mostly the reson why im on the black pill to begin with. No one with any real power to change things seems to actually truly care about it. They just wanna talk, get good boy points, get votes, money or whatever else, and thats about the extent of it. Thing is, i feel like even if we were to come up with technologies to make our expenditure of electricity sustainable, those technologies still need to be widely implemented, and i doubt anyone has the will to actually do it, theres a lot of very powerfull interest groups there and i cant see them accepting long term sustainability over short term money making. There isnt really a good track record of us making good enviromental decisions. We can see death walking towards us in the distance, but we'll probably only start doing something about it when it starts kicking down our door. I just hope it wont be too late at that point
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>>7929718
normal domesticated cates are not as big a problem as feral cats, it all depends on the scale, your cat for example will not catch the insects flying 100 feet abouve the ground like a huge fan set right in the wind direction 24/7, only relatively small amounts that land on the grond, wind turbines however completely zone restrict insects birds and bats.
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>>7929805
by far the most important insect killer is industrialized agriculture, to fix this we need to stop using pesticides and change the way we grow food
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>>7929915
also true, big monocultures and pesticides are unnatural and unhealthy for the envoirnment and wildlife, one would need small to mid scale local farms, and homesteads to feed the population, if you have so many cattle or poultry that you loose track of individuals you are not doing them and yourself favor and it spirals too much into a profit focussed game
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>>7915995
Solarpunk cannot exist without a capitalist industrial society and if you think otherwise you're a braindead subhuman.
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>>7916953
if you step foot on my property i will shoot you.
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>>7915993
i'd love to have that scarf falling off every time i bend over to shovel.
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>>7918913
imagine guerrilla warfare in on a city block like that.
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>>7916208
meanwhile china is mass producing solar panels via burning coal. how green of them
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>>7931362
solar panels wich cannot be recycled and will end up in a landfill after 5 years, same thing with wind turbine fans and electric car batteries
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>>7931423
already debunked >>7929494
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>>7931628
>debunked
ok maybe they might become more durable during the years i never questioned that they would but they still cant be properly recycled if it breaks there is no other choice than to throw in into some african dump where little niggers breathe in all kinds of chemicals when burning it to extract 0,1 miligram of gold
>pic
there are just so many playgrounds you can build with wind turbine blades, and it still looks like post modernist garbage, i m not against the concept of using wind energy at all, but the current development is definitly not it. liiteral duch windmill style builds would be better than gigantomaniac douche propellers
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>>7931628
and here is an example of a solar panel wich doesnt need complexity to work, its a curved miror wich concentrates light on a tube filled with oil / water liheating it up for steam / electricity generation
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>>7931423
what, I'm supposed to throw out my panels after 5 years?
Someone should've told me 10 years ago...
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>>7931714
after decommisioning, 5 years lying on a dump for electronics while idealists hope we invent revolutionary miraculous recycling machinery, withoput actually investing or caring
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>>7931907

you might not know but solar panels are mostly made of glass and metals, we recycle this all the time, for thousands of years, since we discovered the miraculous technology of melting
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>>7931983
"melting" is not the entire process. seperating the toxic and non recyclable materials from the ones wich are easy to recoveris whats hard about it, especially impurities are a big problem, such as toxic waste like cadmium, lead etc, no reason to act smug when you are posting a corporate article from 2017
https://www.mackinac.org/blog/2022/bright-panels-dark-secrets-the-problem-of-solar-waste
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>>7932001
>https://www.mackinac.org/blog/2022/bright-panels-dark-secrets-the-problem-of-solar-waste
That article is pure filth, a cheap attempt at scaring people. It is so full of errors that it should be buried with nuclkear waste.

>The act of producing one ton of polysilicon leads to three to four tons of silicon tetrachloride waste.
Silane is not a waste, it is an internediate product. Silane is very much not dumped as waste.

The stuff about cadmium and tellurium are irrelevant since these are used in cadmium telluride systems that are uncommon and used in satellites etc. Large scale solar power uses silicon.

>While supplying only about 1 percent of global electricity, photovoltaics already relies on 40 percent of the global tellurium supply, 15 percent of the silver supply, a large portion of semiconductor quality quartz supply, and smaller but important segments of the indium, zinc, tin, and gallium supplies.
I'd like to see the source for that. Gallium is, like cadmium telluride, used in very specialised systems, not your typical solar panel. The quartz supply is a silly scare, we have enormous amounts of the stuff.

Statements such as
>Solar panels have a relatively short lifespan of 20 to 30 years
should tell you that this is bunk.
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>>7913936
Green-washed-Cyberpunk
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>>7915985
Read more books instead of getting your politics through memes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw&t=2494s
Watch these two lectures if you are too ADHD to pick up a book, illiterate ancap.
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