Keep it green
Last thread was real nice, anons. Hopefully we can keep the ball rollin'
>>7963374>>7963375>>7963376>>7963379Cringe. There is nothing grassroots about eco ideology, it's literally fed down our throats every fucking day.As of now solarpunk is still pretty comfy, but, with the sort of people that would make OP's pape involved, I'm sure it's going the same route as steampunk.
>>7963414True, only ecofascism can guide us
>>7963374Link to last thread: >>7912274Did anyone scrape all the images?
>>7963378>Maintenance nightmare>B-but plants don't overgrow, anon; and no uninvited animals either, anon...Lol at the utopiian delusion
>>7963639Hey, just declare math a manifestation of western imperialism! Also, maintain a population of poor brown people with a permanent legally grey residency status for expendable labor purposes and scream "Racist!!11" whenever anyone points out how horribly exploitive it actually is.
>>7963414This.OP is a faget.
>>79636391. Literally just cut the plants ever now and then like humans have been doing for 300,000 years. Fucking genius. 2. There would be no "uninvited animals". The only animals there would be the ones that could survive consistently and coexist with the humans. The Earth works itself out like that.
solarpunk means literally to give back power to the people, break monopoly of power companies every solarpunk thread corporate shills flock in and spead lies and nonsense
>>7963850>solarpunk>anticorporateyes, just like an Apple commercial set in a Starbucks.
>>7963784>t.never lived anywhere near natureNgmi
>>7963664>Maintenance nightmare>Simples: just spend inordinate amounts of resources and money attempting maintaining itTypical leftoid retard
>>7963928Meant for>>7963664
>>7963928Yes, that's exactly what that post was explicitly indicating spergbro.
>>7963639buddy this is a wallpaper thread, who cares
>>7963380
>>7963784>The earth works itself out like that >We are killing the earth with a tiny piddle of additional CO2 Choose one, faggot
How about some AI generated solarpunk images?https://i.4cdn.org/g/1675356477849059.png
>>7964014Not really a tiny puddle at all if you would open a book for five seconds. Look at what we're becoming as a species. Humans are now a planetary force and one day we'll be a galactic and intergalactic one.There's now also 8 Billion of us. We're powerful enough to light up our planet from space, and we're powerful enough to heat it up on accident as well.
>>7964640>"open a book pleb!">can't do mathkek
>>7964238Are there more photographed ones similar to this?
>>7963379And you still won't do shit, pussy
>>7963374No. Fuck you. Burn everything, kill every animal on Earth that humans cannot breed and control and make anyone who isnt the best in their field a slave. This is the pinnacle of human evolution and the fact you have to invent a fantasy like solar punk to combat it proves that I am right.
>>7965134you are a 4choid posting immoral trash and will die in the morass you fantasize about.
>>7964640>8 billionEver seen 8 billion people in a room? Didn't think so, goy. The elites don't want you to know there are only a few hundred thousand people.
>>7965202That would explain why the entire planet goes empty every time Michigan stadium sells out.
>>7964947wut>>7965202Anon I know your schizophrenia medication makes you really tired but you have to take it. You can't just say things like this.
>>7963414It's an aesthetic in a wallpaper thread you fucking dip>>>/pol/
>>7965202>g-g-goy!!
>>7965271>MichiganI'm sorry anon but it's too late for you. >>7965301Either microwave me on the bus like a nice little federal agent or start cashin them rent checks. Free baby.
/pol/ retards are triggered super hardby the idea of an comfy livable future
>>7965326Oh shut up, everyone knows the post was about what is written in OP's image.
>>7963850you are pretentious
>>7963857True, these people don't realize that you're not rebelling against big energy when you buy solar panels, batteries, charge controllers, banks, etc. from the very industry they're supposedly rebelling against. There's already a way to rebel against all this without directly supporting them; live without electricity. You just have to buy land and continue to pay taxes on it, but no one says you have to have electricity. Solarpunk is retarded and isn't even "punk" at all (like most ____punk settings).
>>7966271>live without electricityyou must be fucking retarded
>>7964134Looks fucking awful. Shitlibs actually want to live like this?
>>7963374How about loinking to previous thread?https://archive.palanq.win/wg/thread/7912274Also, does anyone collect all images posted? We could assemble a common album in best quality. I have a few to contribute if there is an interest.
>>7964000she looks like she's gonna smash my balls
>>7963380Stupid as shit. No way anyone doing hard work with a spade is going to be wearing all that fancy airy clean clothes, hair perfectly done with flowers. Like those women soldier pics where they are all models with perfect skin and clean uniforms - the only frontline they are near is the officers waistline as they are sucking him off. Meanwhile the real dirty soldier in the trench doesn't get his picture taken. I assume it is much the same for this woman, like Instagram posing with a drill she borrowed from some man actually working.
>>7963784You'd end up with malaria all over the city and other diseases with bugs everywhere all the time unless you want to fumigate everything. Bloodsuckers and rats do a great job of coexisting with us.
>>7967675how to say you live in a shithole country
>>7965134LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>7966268Anyone know where this is?
>>7967753Vienna, Austria, in the Landstraße district on the corner of Kegelgasse and Löwengasse .
>>7967722I live in northern Europe, I am just telling you why we don't turn our cities into complete forests but have to be reasonable. Plenty of the most developed cities have rat problems like New York for example.
>>7967854You should go to the south, evidently the lack of sun is killing your neurons
>>7967854Trash York City is full of rats. This is your "argument " why you don't want green and trees? Seriously?
>>7965359where is it from? looks comfy af
>>7967418What is that webm from?
>>7966406glowing so much
>>7968311It was an ad for Dairy products by Chobani.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Ng5ZvrDm4Someone got so upset by the fact that it was an adm, that the "decommodified" it by removing the voiceover and trademarks, and that one is probably the first you find when you search.
>>7968311 >>7968400And if you will accept some ads (for Oregon), there is another Solarpunk ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doVV1a7XgyQThey made another with a touch of the more elusive Lunarpunk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIC-XmyEfhIAll of these ads are faily recent, I wonder if we are seeing a beginning of a trend. And with the tightening stagflation we might get more.
Is there a name for the type where nature takes over tech? That's the one I like. Searching nature dystopian only gives shit papes.
these threads are always such a shitshowwhat is it about a simple comfy green aesthetic that makes everyone spill their spaghetti this hard?
>>7964014>The earth works itself out like thatequilibrium will be reached, with or without humans along to see it>We are killing the earth with a tiny piddle of additional CO2 we are not killing the planet, we are killing ourselves
>>7968486Abandonment, perhaps?If this is your taste, I guess Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou would fit. The underwater lights show are old streetlights that somehow still turn on during the night.
>>7968340Woke propaganda
>>7963374Solarpunk is a nice idea but it has too much socialist ideology in it.It has an impossible idea in its core which is the end of capitalism, that is not going to happen.The best possible ending would be a good percentage of people in the world change their life trying to be indipendet from the gov and the market by having their own food and power supply, and it goes so well that also other people follow them and exchange knowledge and experience to maximize their auto efficiency, capitalism won't be sleeping while it happens so they'll try to promote it fakely by selling products that seems going in that direction but instead go to an opposite one, but people now see this trick for what it is and keep trying to create what they need by their own.The first necessary goods will now be a problem of the single person and the second and third grade will remain in the hands of capitalism, thus producing less pollution and creating a semi better world
>>7968818ppl can imagine the end of the world but cannot picture the end of capitalism, pure ideology *sniff* *sniff*
>>7969076It's the same reason why communism will never* disappear. The ideology is too deeply rooted in the elementary human psyche. Communism is on envy (masked as altruism, which lends credibility to every brainlet), while capitalism is built on greed, and our lizard brain need to hoard and consume stuff. Couple that with the present ability of capitalism to provide unprecedented material wealth to a fairly large portion of the world's population (and dangle with that golden carrot in front of the face of the rest), and you have a reason why so many people believe it will never go away. And it might genuinely look like it, at least for as long as there are resources for us to plunder and space to spread. *in human terms. round.
>>7968340See >>7968400
>>7969121Thanks anon, sans it being an advertisement, that is positively a beautiful video. Why the fuck >>7968687 calls it a woke propaganda?
>>7963379Yeah, china and india have a lot of addresses.
as an anon with sever allergies to pollen, grass, roots i want you all to go fucking kill yourselvesplants arent friends
>>7969229fun fact: mainly city kids got allergies, kids growing up in rural areas almost never
>>7969229>I am a subhuman who can't even live in his natural environment>but no, I am not wrong, everyone else isI hate to use this, but this is a peak tranny mentality.
>>7969202look up what "per capita" means
Solar punk isn't actually punk at all. Solar futurism is probably a better description.Solar punk is more of a lifestyle than a vision. Taking plastics and other waste materials and making them useful again, or using literal renewable resources as your main energy supply.Activism might look like planting invasive species in/near suburbs in order to drive down their property value.
>>7969122>Thanks anon, sans it being an advertisement, that is positively a beautiful video.It is, yes, and possibly the early beginnings of a trend.>Why the fuck >>7968687 calls it a woke propaganda?The criticism brought up earlier, is about everyone being of colour and diversity, plus a female dominated cast. There is also the issue of such visions glossing over the need for far larger amounts of energy than the scattered solar panels and floating wind turbines.
>>7970017>There is also the issue of such visions glossing over the need for far larger amounts of energy than the scattered solar panels and floating wind turbines.I happen to live in a (rural) district where all electric energy is from renewables. We produce much more then we need. For quite some time. We got some hydro, some wind turbines and a few scattered solar panels on roofs and a few solar farms. I amost forgot about biogas. Even wind turbines are barely visible from the distance.
>>7970352That looks decidedly central European.
>NOOO THE HECKIN OILERINO/pol/ynesians begone
>>7963639>ahem, this utopia of yours>it's kind of...>utopian...
>>7964014no fuck you, the answer is both and neither
>>7964640>7 billion >now its 8 billion >then it'll be 9 billion when its time to push some climate narrative. Ask yourself anon do you really believe stuff that these people tell you? Do you honestly believe that those in charge really care about you or the planet or their own pockets? Not even trying to get you to believe /pol/ conspiracy garbage. But do you seriously believe there is that many people? They have to way to count every individual person, they use stats and calculations that always have human error potentially involved. The leaders of the world never ever do anything out of the goodness of their hearts and its always for profit. Now fuck you all for not posting neat wallpapers.
>>7967974No, that is not my argument, you have come into the conversation part way through and not read the preceding comments. I responded to someone here >>7963784 suggesting that a city like this>>7963378 would be feasible to maintain when what would happen is the place would end up overrun with tons of animals and probably end up as a malaria hub in certain times of the year, just like Rome was in the Middle Ages. There is bringing some green into cities and then their is trying to grow plants off the side of every building which would generate a small ecosystem that would attract tons of small bugs and animals everywhere - something which would spread disease and the 'urban dwellers' would not like at all because they seem to believe that nature can be easily manipulated. Allergies are growing more and more common, especially for people born and raised in urban environments - can you imagine pollen season in a city that is all plants hanging off every building and on every street?
>>7970943My rats comment was directed towards this:>2. There would be no "uninvited animals". The only animals there would be the ones that could survive consistently and coexist with the humans. The Earth works itself out like that.Which is ridiculous because we hardly control the animals that populate our urban spaces as it is. We are not 'Masters of the Environment'. He proposed that the only animals that would survive are the ones that 'coexist' with us. Rats, cockroaches, insects etc... all swarm over our current cities that don't have plants growing everywhere. You can't just introduce an entire ecosystem through plants into every city with many layers of verticality.And I never said I didn't want 'green and trees', I live in the countryside. I dislike people and urban areas and would never want to live there. I like trees, I live right next to woodland, but there is enough of a separation by small gardens and fences, even then deer, foxes and other animals roam into the streets and gardens at night, and that is when they have their own environment and sometimes there are just tons of bugs and midges in my garden.If you introduce sprawling woodland into cities hanging off buildings mixing with hot fumes, ventilation, constant watering etc... You are going to end up with humid buglands complete with toxic fungus and mould and tons of pollen that the city denizens will reject. The only way to control that would be through constant trimming and replanting and copious use of pesticides etc... and then the pollen issue. You would be living in your high rise and mould, bugs, leaves would be coming into your apartment from the window, you would have your air conditioning breaking as plants and fungus grew into it for the heat.There are ways we can go forward but the sci-fi plants everywhere high-rise city is a pipe dream that looks great in art but would have tons of problems.There are ways to do this but the modern city-scape is a bad fit.
>>7970946This kind of plan (the pic) would work but would require a much smaller population and a certain climate. Our modern cities are homogenised and built around cost cutting and cramming tons of people into a tiny space, destroying all unique culture and overflowing with buzzing technology, and all create at least a small version of steamy rat-paradise New York.You will notice that most of these 'solar-punk' cities look the same, not adapted to real climatic zones and various geographies, but all assuming the exact same enviroment.This city would still require tons of gardeners but would be maintainable - hell we had cities that were like this.The Enviromentalist types, for all their talk of specialisation tend to make their fantasy pics all the same, like the homogenised hell holes of modern cities.And yes I sperged and wrote a lot. I am tilted.
>>7970948The pic above, not the fantasy canal thing. I just wanted to add another pic.
>>7969665>it's okay to destroy the earth if billions of people do it instead of millions
>>7970959only a hand full of billonaires is doing most damage while pretending to be good guys
>>7967854>he thinks the presence of nature would cause diseaseYou're an actual retard, anon.
>>7963784Lol way to expose yourself dude
>>7971447>>7970943>>7970946>>7970948Yes because people that chill out in malaria swamps for example are super healthy. >TREE MAKE EVERYTHING HEALTHY.I think you might be the retard anon. Not everything in nature makes you healthy anon, just as not everything in nature makes you sick. Have you forgotten that diseases are natural? The Black Death wasn't made by people. If you stick around areas with tons of bugs flying around (commonly found in nature if you don't know city boy) they will bite you, and any pathogens they have can be spat right into your bloodstream.Play less videogames, touch grass.
>>7967418this is the eco-mentalist's version of Wakanda
>>7971541sans the sci-fi cloud & hover bus shit, it's pretty grounded. You need to go back.
>nature is... LE BAD!Sensing the presence of a certain ethnic group in here tbqh.
>>7971524Maybe there's a difference between cultivated urban greenery and malaria-infested swamps? Don't act so fucking obtuse eurobro you're making us look bad.
>>7965326Are you retarded?
>>7967418Americans fucking worship brown people.
>>7971563Yes there is which is what I discussed in my other posts, which you clearly haven't read. I have been responding to images which have tons of greenery hanging off all the buildings in a city and people saying, literally, 'nature always good', 'more nature better'. In my comments I have been using nuance, wheras the one line responses have been the oversimplified rubbish that ignores everything I have written, much like your stupi comment.If you actually want to see you can just read, it isn't that much.
>>7963374here's your epic SOLARPUNK wallpaper you useless liberal hippy FAGGOTS LOL
>>7963414CLEAN ENERGY IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBRUWE SHOULD JUST KEEP USING FOSSIL FUELS AND DO LITERALLY NOTHING ELSEPeople like you deserve to just be fucking shot on sight.>MUH F450 DIESEL>DIESELS GONE UP IN PRICEkill yourself>Inb4 libtardI didn't vote Biden, try again, nazi
Posting AI shit should result in an instant perma ban
>>7971749Solarpunk is a niche and also relatively new, so I am not sure what an AI would make of it.>>7963850>solarpunk means literally to give back power to the people, break monopoly of power companiesNlo. Solarpunk was a counter point to Cyberpunk, which already was much about staying under the radar and avoiding corporative interference.>>7963982That too, but the discussion makes it interesting. My hunch is that this is part of the current Zeitgeist.>>7964233I spent a few weeks in Frankfurt am Main, and the citry is full of huge trees. Building are open rather than fully enclosing a back yard and trees are often at the ends of the buildings. Tokyo also has a lot og buildings with greenery. Comfy, and I never heard of animal infestation.>>7966406>actually want to live like thisThis was a proposal from an architect. People of Paris are not happy with their city as it is now.>>7970948>You will notice that most of these 'solar-punk' cities look the same, not adapted to real climatic zones and various geographies, but all assuming the exact same enviroment.Frankfurt am Main and Tokyo are fairly green but at very different latitudes and climates. Especially in Japan they have centuries of experience in garden planning.
>>7963380Gaaaaaayyyyyy hahaha>>7971876>tfw your home can eat you at any time it wantsOlder versions must've had insane insurance rates.
>>7965134We should kill every human who cannot breed as well, cause you'd be first to go
>>7971561>LE BADThe French?
>>7971876>Solarpunk is a niche and also relatively new, so I am not sure what an AI would make of it.That doesn't matter at all, all you need to do is feed in enough images of 'SolarPunk' and it will be able to the same stuff it does for everything else. It doesn't need 'time' to adapt to new trends, just the right data and processing power.
>>7971876>This was a proposal from an architect. People of Paris are not happy with their city as it is now.Perhaps if large parts were not no-go zone ghettos for niggers and Muslims that would change a bit. The armed guards they have to have standing around Paris do kind of damage it's feeling.
>>7963376why is ai generated art so recognizeable
>>7971612Nah, they actualy hate them and want them dead.
>>7972085self-hate? explains high suicide rates
I get what you're going for, but I wouldn't call this "punk"
>>7965134cringe
>>7969038do you have this one in higher res? please?
>>7972134in practice (regarding people who practice this shit to some extent) it does resamble punk with its anti-capitalist, anti-consumerist, non-conformist, diy etc rhetoricand by non-conformist I mean that, despite that certain things are considered a fact on paper, and are taught at schools, and politicians and the like are "expressing their concern" as usual, it kinda stays on paper. and while we're all busy protecting our everyday comfort there are people losing their lives to disrupt cop city construction but overall it's not very worthwhile to dwell into semantics since original punk movement stems mostly from fashion brand promotion and most "real" punks are long dead from alcohol and/or heroin overdose
>>7972412Well, I'll give you the anti-capitalist bit, but "solarpunk" is the new fad in colleges right now, at least in design school as far as I'm concerned, and the sort of people who are into it are the same hyper-consumerist left-wing douches that support traditional, centralized, elitist forms of production such as Hollywood. People such as trannies who wouldn't even exist if late stage capitalism didn't exist.And the problem is really evident when you look at shit like >>7968400 where, despite all the talk about being diy and whatnot, every depiction of the "solarpunk future" we get is just Equity, Diversity and Inclusion Green Urbanite pod living and bug eating late capitalist dystopia.(I'm >>7963414 btw, not the guy you were replying to)Also,>>7971742you're arguing against whatever point you dreamed up I made, and that's because you're confusing design with technology. I have nothing to say when it comes to green energy, but I have a lot to say about this shit, unrealistic, terminally urbanite design language called "solarpunk".
>>7966271>live without electricity or youre letting them win The only thing you're living without is braincells
>>7972520>"solarpunk" is the new fad in colleges right now, at least in design schoolfor reasonsnew materials like cheap, flexible solar foil and the need to integrate this in designs opens opportunities to do things different, of course there will be a lot of stupid shit but some things may be useful and stick for decades
>>7970959Any individual westerner pollute more on average than any individual chinaman or indianWhat if we went and split china and india up into 50 different states, but let everyone there continue at the same level of pollution as before? According to you this would be ideal, since each individual new state pollutes less than many other countries. Doesn't matter that the total amount of pollution is the same, since all that matters is how much one state pollutes with no regard for any other factors.
>>7967674Do you perhaps have autism?
>>7972592>for reasons>new materialsyou're giving college students too much credit buddy
>>7966271>growing your own food still makes you subservient to big ag because you have to get your seeds from somewhere>just live without food instead bro
>>7970946>normal city in central europe
>>7972520>And the problem is really evident when you look at shit like >>7968400 (You) where, despite all the talk about being diy and whatnot, every depiction of the "solarpunk future" we get is just Equity, Diversity and Inclusion Green Urbanite pod living and bug eating late capitalist dystopia.From what I can see from teh early sources, it started out as a protest and a counter to Cyberpunk. Then it was hijacked by the diversity crowd. It is strange that people protesting against that ad were protestign against it being an ad rather than being a hyper-PC "vision" of a diversity future.>>7972614>Any individual westerner pollute more on average than any individual chinaman or indianThat is a sleight of hand in argumentation, that China producing for the West means that the West is, somehow, responsible for the corresponding emissions in China. It is not. China was paid for a job and cannot sneak back a guilt fee. You can also see a very similar trick when it comes to CO2 emissions where they very carefully do not declare if the figures are scope 1, 2, or 3. If you do not question the basis, you will end up with the same amount of CO2 counted multiple times.
>>7972730>that China producing for the West means that the West is, somehow, responsible for the corresponding emissions in ChinaI never said thatI said that, as the west has higher per capita emissions than china, then the average westerner pollutes more than the average chinese.You've once again demonstrated that you don't know what "per capita" means.
>>7963639in the future, AI will do everything, so everyone will be hedge trimmers and professional pruners.
>>7972858why can't the AI trim the hedges
>>7972858>in the future, AI will do everything,guess this is why zoomers are so weakminded and lazy.
>>7972912nah it's just your turn to complain about the youth like grumpy old men have been doing consistently for centuries
>>7972915they don't even get laid lol.
>>7963639>He can't do basic gardening practicesFucking hell really? Just trim them, fool.
trimming something like this needs just ladder and secateurs, cheaper and less effort then mowing a lawn
>>7972989Requires more skill though to make sure it moves how you want and doesn't get to heavy or force the frame away from the wall. It is well worth it, but certainly requires more skill and thought than mowing a lawn.
there is nothing punk about it.Also incans and aztecs did it before.
>>7973388DUBS OF TERRACED FARMING.
>>7964238>>7970394>>7970948Saved
>>7973388Oh? Things sure took a dystopic turn when the Spanish arrived. There is also the issue of large scale human sacrifises.
>>7964134>Paris en 2050more like children_of_men.png
>>7973420>DUBS OF TERRACED FARMING.sounds like a song by The Orb... :)
>>7973579I mean, they kinda did take a turn for the worse. The spanish killed a lot of people when they arrived. And yeah, the human sacrifices were pretty bad but frankly the inquisition was worse in terms of religiously-motivated killings. Terraced farms were a pretty incredible development from that part of the world, even if you don't personally like every single aspect of that culture.
>>7969202Stupidest westoid nigger. Rope yourself and save some oxygen for the rest of us.
>>7972614blatantly and verifiably false....
>>7971742Clean energy is literally impossibru right now. I'm sure some innovation is incoming that will make it viable but until you fags accept that nuclear is our only clean option right now then you can continue living in your aids riddled delusion that you can power your Avengers™ buttplug with windmills and batteries.
>>7973671what the fuck is that disgusting thing? looks like either a strange prison or a repurposed industrial smokestack pair. just horrible
>>7964000>>7963380>>7963379i like how capitalists just turned it into YAAAAS SLAAAY SAVE THE EARTH GREEEN COLOR aesthetic and sold it back to you. it so easy to destroy any resistance
>>7974345Commodify everything, simple as. "Punks not dead" on a credit card and anarchist A symbol on school backpacks from China. It's not unique for capitalism either, shit like that was done to rot away resistance since the antiquity.
>>7973737Do it first, shitskin. Your ilk being genocided would be the best thing for this earth.
>>7974345yeah sure, it's the capitalists who are encouraging eco-terrorism in >>7963379
>>7974405exactly bro. they know pretty well that those eco-terrorists won't do shit to them. you know who they will terrorize? other innocent bystanders from low-mid class. they gonna riot the streets and destroy cars, homes and small businesses of 50-100 random wages and then say mission accomplished. this is how it works. the whole woke agenda was made by wall-street to make people fight each other instead of the real enemy. they also brainwashed you into thinking only right economics works and there's only either ultra-capitalism or gulag and food tickets. it's a lie
Just move to Vermont holy fuck.
>>7974541>Vermont is 1 of 4 states that has banned billboards, including Maine, Alaska, & Hawaii
