anyone reached that and "shifted"what is your experience with it and any tips you can offer?
>>41107527>hes my>she's struggleMight want to go back to the drawing board with that one anon
>>41107527I want to, but I never succeeded. The closest I got to the void was with the gateway tapes.
>>41107527If this thread still up later, i'll reply with some useful info. Hang on.
>>41108172Will it be useful or a larp about how one time someone posted about going to hogwarts or some shit or a tree in their garden changes shape?I know what I expect. Prove me wrong bro.
I disassociated so hard once I woke some things up in the void. Buckle up we in for a hard time in the near future
>>41108188You are describing the reality shifting subreddit, don't you? I did browse it and it made me lose hope and doubt shifting can really be done. :(Always titles like "My ultimate method to shift every time!!!!" but text: "Well, I still haven't shifted yet but here is my method." '-_- Or hundreds of people who just daydreamed for a few seconds and consider it a success. :(
I want to but I'm not skill enough.
>>41108257Yes this is my worry about what anon will come back with. Something like this as that’s all it ever seems to be.But maybe he will surprise.
>>41107527>Void stateThe only way for a consciousness to engage with the void is by transitioning through it and being reborn without memory on the other side, or bouncing off of it and returning to the body it came from.
>>41108275>useless postIt sure is void of content.
>>41108264>Yes this is my worry about what anon will come back with. Why do you worry about it, just ignore it
>>41108287I get what you are saying but wouldn’t it be good if anon came back with actual useful practical info on how to reach the state and shift rather than >some story about how one time he knew a guy that maybe did it It’s been built up now. The suspense is high. Can anon deliver?
>>41108317Why do you talk like a condescending retard
>>41108324Because you are a tiny cretin in all realities.You were working on a larp weren’t you.
>>41108329Nobody has said anything yet, why are you so agressive and dimissive?>Because you are a tiny cretin in all realities.Proof?
>>41108286Aww, don't be so harsh on yourself, your reply *does* have value!
>>41108334Do you have proof that nobody said anything yet?
>>41108355Uuuuh use your eyes? Wtf are you even saying schizo lol
>>41108335How will I recover from this?Anyway. For real this >>41108275 is useless. It says nothing, it is empty. It’s not even about the void state in terms of the shifting techniques, it’s just anon making up some shit. It is void. Totally empty. It doesn’t belong anywhere except in empty space.
>>41108358How do you know that anon didn’t reply?>UuuuhThat’s cretinism. In every reality. You can shift away from it.
>>41108172It's me. Alright, since the beginning of last year i started to investigate and gather the most useful intel about "reality" and "magic", at the end of my retconn, it seems that only handful of my sources ended up being useful, and were able to point down the source of all supernatural phenomena, and basically every event in the world across the mist of experience, either physical or methaphysical ones (Like what you call "reality shifting"). Here's what i have so far: The way i think it works (and i said i think, because i never tried myself, im not at that stage yet) is that reality shifting or dimensional jumping or whatever means "going from one instance of reality to another", is that you just simply move your conciussness from an instance of the world to another. Because that's what you are, conciussness experiencing "being on a world". This is exactly what happens when you dream. When you dream, you close your eyes and yet you "see", that's because "you" are conciussness. >Void stateFrom what i can gather, this would simply enter an state where you are at your most "pure state" in "the world", where even your notion of having a physical body dissapear. You basically reset the patterns of your experience, and reboot with an instance of the world that have the targeted edit in mind.(1/2)
>>41108486>My SourcesAs i was skimming across sources, i pinned down the most holistical and most inclusive ones, that as many possibilities as possible, which boils down to these three.>*Universal Line Documents - https://archive.org/details/UL-the-complete-works>*Pointers given by former Oneirosopher, TriumphantGeorge - https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/38c3yk/how_to_jump_between_dimensions/>*Carlos Castaneda, Sorcery Circle material - https://archive.org/details/cc-all-books-in-one-20-texts-interim-versionThere's also stuff given by the users themselves, that you could consider as "proof", and even if they are anecdotal stuff, they also explain the technicall aspects of it>SMAnon Shifting Documents (Former chaos magician in 4chan that was investigating reality shifting for quite a while) - https://codeberg.org/manifestation/shiftingmagick/releases/download/37587704/shiftingmagick.pdf>This entire thread by the user "The Cusp" that explained how reality and dreams are connected (Altought, i can't access to it, i don't know why. It throws me an error) - http://www.dreamviews.com/showthread.php?t=57283>The Castaneda Community on Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/(2/2)
>>41108369>Guys, void is void, why is acknowledging this not helpful?Alright, here's how I bounced of:>spend a week fasting>lie on my back>push eyes towards the 6th chakra (like going cross-eyed but also looking up)>count from 10 to 1 repeatedly>start with one step per breath in, one per breath out (like breath in, 10, breath out, 9, breath in, 8, out, 7, etc)>next one step for in out (10, in, out, 9, in, out, 8, in, out ... )>always repeat from 10 to 1 at least three times>continue to double (10, in, out, in, out, 9, in, out, in, out, 8, in, out, in, out, ...; then 10, in, out, in, out, in, out and so on)>keep going until something happensI was at 6 with five breaths per step when I felt my awareness getting pulled in some non-physical direction and started accelerating towards some kind of structure that was assembling itself the closer I came, and when I reached it it finished assembling itself into a circle or loop or 0 and I felt myself having already decided that I cannot go through yet and a moment later everything snapped back.Have fun I guess, no idea if it works for anyone else.
>>41108499>>spend a week fastingWhy is this necessary?
>>41108505Did anyone claim it is necessary? Did you try if it works without? Seems like you're scared of actually trying anything yourself.
>>41108553Calm down, why are you so upset, it was a legit question.
>>41108499Void state is not void,However let me tell you something.Your content is good. Anon delivered. only thing I don’t trust castenada as he was just a novel writer but yeah this is some stuff right here.
The whole realityshifting trend is just a pathetic mans' version of Dimensional jumping
>>41108569>only thing I don’t trust castenada as he was just a novel writer but yeah this is some stuff right here.Here's the anon who replied with the sources. Yes, it's probably that Carlos wrote fictional stories, but the philosophy and techniques of it are completely true (I mean, you have to buy that possibility if you buy into "reality shifting" and similars in the first place). I reccomend you that you check out the thread from DreamViews that i cited that explains some stuff of Dream Control, and also TriumphantGeorge stuff, they both had Carlos as one of the sources, and also some prominent mention of chaos magic. You will have to connect the dots, but a definitive model of reality and a way to access to magic lies there.
>>41108577I agree. They obviously didn't get that community or the Oneirosophy one, so you find a bunch of underages that don't have a clue of metaphysics or any practice whatsoever. While most of the content around this stuff on the web is anecdotal, the way to divide true stuff from larping is an user that explains his reasoning and can lay out his perspective in a technical manner.
>>41108603High IQ
>>41107541>blah blah blah lemme tell you about muh gay languageShut up, faggot. You lost the war, your words mean whatever we decide now.
>>41108495Ok for the LIFE OF ME i can't archive the DreamViews site, it's incredibly impossible, it just doesn't let me. I'm putting up some pastebin style stuff that can lay out "The Cusp" series of posts in a more digestible manner. Hold up.
>>41108557>legitI disagree, hence my response.However, I accept that we disagree on this, no hard feelings.>>41108569>Void state is not voidI disagree with this as well; if your state is void then there's no entity that could be acted on by any system or intent. As in, you can't do anything to or with or about void, because it's void, and if you are void then... well, you're simply not.
>>41108813>However, I accept that we disagree on this, no hard feelings.I don't im the anon you think you're replying to. I never said anything.
>>41108814jimin with a p*ssy
>>41108813The void state is simply a state of detachment here at the edge of sleep or deep meditation. Itis not what you suggest, and in fact that state is more likely to be susceptible to outside influence (system or intent).
>>41107527I went into the void. I'm not telling you how because it was basically a NDE that is dangerous. But I got out of it as both a will to escape and then the physical actions I felt I had nothing to do with, basically gravity or something. So I snapped out of it.Being in the void felt like being sucked into a tsunami wave and being slammed by an infinite pillar of water plunging me into darkness at high Gs. Just felt like immense weight and darkness more than anything else I can illustrate.
>>41108973>dangerousNo. This is larp.Everyone who has ever talked about is just fine afterwards. Usual /x/ gatekeeping/fearmongering.
>>41107541>>41108668First faggot is not even correct as Mein can mean both my and mine
>>41109048This. You're right.It's simply a procedure/ritual as any other. Anyone trying to fearmonger is actually scared shitless itself, which is more a product from the incompetence of the guy applying the tech that any real danger really. How can you be scared of your own mind????
>>41108773Dumping the thread, as im still formatting The Cusp posts, if this still up, i'll post it here.
>>41108577Yeah I think we all agree that "reality shifting" and "dimensional jumping" are two different names for the same thing. What maters is how to achieve it. And the difference with lucid dreams is very important if you want to shift/jump and STAY in your new reality, not just visit it for a few minutes.
>>41109532They are different approaches (or more like, different communities, one more grounded than the other). My favorite one is the Oneirosophist path. You have to start right off the bat asserting the world as "your own reality", or in application of the central active metaphor: "This is your private dream". That's the central fact to act upon from there; in that way, you can also sort out useful information and ignore the useless bunch, so you become more flexible and skillful in manifestation and getting desired metaphysical experiences.
I take it as an advanced SATS.Am I right?
>>41109677I don't use nothing related to Neville or New Thought in general, so you will have to answer that question on your own.
>>41107527>void state>shiftedTiktok speak. Youre not ready to approach this secret. Your own soul will damn you
>>41109718Christcuck poster
>>41109772Lol wat? "Shifting" is a dangerous psychological phenomenon and shouldnt be seen as just a fun thing like how people see mushrooms or lucid dreaming. Notice how they always warn you not to look into mirrors in lucid dreams/AP, or to be careful to keep a focused mind because if not you will create a dangerous projection of one of your own fears. Trivializing it as "woaaah shifting bro" is exactly how this problem comes about
>>41109048>Everyone who has ever talked about is just fine afterwardsMaybe it was not the real void.
>>41109090>How can you be scared of your own mindWhere do you think nightmares come from, retard
>>41109824>"Shifting" is a dangerous psychological phenomenon and shouldnt be seen as just a fun thing like how people see mushrooms or lucid dreaming. Those visual effects are a direct result of brain patterns already present and available to experience with enough practice. Psychotropic substances could be dangerous, but they are ultimately unnecessary in order to explore the subjective experience. >Notice how they always warn you not to look into mirrors in lucid dreams/AP, or to be careful to keep a focused mind because if not you will create a dangerous projection of one of your own fears.That's their problem.>Trivializing it as "woaaah shifting bro" is exactly how this problem comes aboutWhat problem? I called you a Christcuck because you apparently think that "your soul can be dammed" and yet i can't see someone coming up with a practical application of these phenomenon by his own with this scaremonger baggage in mind. Thinking like that IS the actual psychological danger, you're scared of your own mind.
>>41109846>Where do you think nightmares come from, retardNightmares and dreams are literally the same experience. If you knew that, you won't have a nightmare because the concept of fear dissipate immediately knowing that it's a dream after all.
>>41109465Dumping the thread again. Almost done, it's a big chain of posts, but it's worth it.
>>41109997Fuck. Got in a bit of a drag. If this thread get archived in the meantime, do snother one as follow up so i can post the source there.
IT'S DONE!>The Nature of Dream Control, by "The Cusp": https://rentry.org/4ovkzccw https://rentry.org/ynt5biqtI had to torn it in a two part paste because it's big as hell.One of the greatest resources out there. For any oneirosopher or people interested in dreaming and magic, this is a mandatory reading, very valuable stuff. Enjoy!
>>41108257>>41108264Consider that the Reddit is subject to a reverse survivorship bias. Anyone who permanently shifts is no longer available to share their methods, only the failures.
