It was the fruit from the tree of "knowledge of good and evil", meaning before eating it, Adam and Eve didn't know what was good and what was evil. As such they could never be held accountable for their actions, they were "innocently naive". So even though there was no pain in Eden, even if Eve were to beat up Adam MMA-style, God would instantly forgive her, like you'd forgive an year old baby for hitting you. This was satan's plan, to cause death and the possibility of hell for humans.>why did God allow it?Because you and I couldn't be allowed to come into existence any other way while fulfilling justice. God chose for you to come into existence and took the equivalent of hell punishment due you upon Himself on the cross (along with all humanity's), and then He purifies you to make you fit for heaven. If He directly created a purified version of you, that being wouldn't be "you" either, but some other being. >why accept Jesus' lordship?Because then He uses His omnipotent power to purify you, you don't have to do anything on your own. Part of His Lordship is to purify you, and part of it is so that others receive love from you and through you. If you surrender to Jesus' lordship and power you will become a freeloader to heaven and be able to enjoy love, bliss, and peace in heaven for all eternity.
It is a fable.The fruit symbolizes sentience. Man was like the animals and the demiurge/Satan had no intention of allowing any of the beasts know as much as he. Jesus helped them ascend to sentience. >Why did god allow it?He threw them out of the garden in a fit of rage and has hated them ever since. Threw them out to get them away from the Tree of Life that would grant them eternal life, even!>Why accept Jesus' lordshipBecause he was there to help us ascend. The early Christians (now called gnostics) discovered this. The later Christians accept Jesus' lordship as an order from the state church. They follow, but are a blind "flock" to the Whore of Babylon.
>>41468168Liber Falxifer 2: The Qayinite genesis. Tree of Knowledge = Tree of Death; Qliphoth.
>>41468470Here too is relevant; Genesis related things in Book of Sitra Achra: https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfSitraAchra/page/n7/mode/2up
>>41468506ie all the descriptions in said text is a bunch of "advanced metaphysics". Supernaturally generated books btw.
>Do you realize? Do you realize something? If God sees us eating fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, he could condemn our garden, and we would have to move out of it?
>>41468617how much Qi do those fruit hold. i but not as much as my Rushing Salmon Lemon of the Heavens
>>41468350>helped them ascend to sentience.If Adam and Eve weren't sentient, they wouldn't be able to oppose God and eat the fruit.This is the trap the gnostics fall in: they don't understand "innocence" and that it is beautiful. They just see that "God was witholding" and that "satan was giving".If a baby hits you, and you don't hold it accountable/responsible for it, that doesn't mean that the baby isn't sentient! Even if a baby accidentally picks up a gun and shoots it and kills someone, there are no laws against it, but the parent would be held accountable. But just because there are no laws against a baby's actions it doesn't mean that it isn't sentient, it is beautifully innocent. In the pre-fall era, even if humans committed any crimes, they wouldn't be held accountable for them, God would be, and everyone would see humans as simply forgivable/forgiven.You'd be able to do everything you are doing now and a lot more if you weren't accountable for what you did, and there would be no pain and suffering, you'd be perfectly innocent (of everything) and still sentient.
>>41468832you also don't throw a baby out into misery for eating stuff you left laying on the floor
>>41468832>This is the trap the christians fall in: they don't understand "independence" and that it is beautiful. They just see that "God is handholding" and not that "satan is liberating"i get thats what "faith" is. that this being absolutly has your souls well-being in mind. but it might be safer to save yourself. and find a paradise for your loved ones
>>41468889It was like instantaneously the humans went from being a baby to becoming an 18 year old adult (speaking in earthly terms).After the baby has already become a responsible/accountable adult, you blame that responsible/accountable human if he/she shoots a gun you left in your house and kills someone and even give him/her the capital punishment.
>>41468928>independenceIf Adam and Eve weren't beings independent of God, they wouldn't be able to go against Him and eat the fruit. They were beings that could function independent of God right from the time they were created, just not responsible for their actions.>handholdingThis "handholding" is a free pass given to humans because Jesus took our punishment on the cross, just grab His hand and get to heaven and in heaven do whatever you want (except sin). This "handholding free pass" doesn't exist for angels, once an angel is corrupted, it's just hell for them. But humans have this option to just free-ride to heaven and do whatever they wish in heaven forever except the option of being evil. This earth is nothing more than a criminal rehabilitation center anyway, and a rehabilitation center is just "temporary", where you will live after the rehabilitation period is over is the only thing that matters.
>>41468832>If Adam and Eve weren't sentient, they wouldn't be able to oppose God and eat the fruit.>Cuz cats and dogs are always doing exactly as they're told>Loses the plot with the rest of the word-vomitLOLing hard, man. Way to go. >like instantaneously the humans went from being a baby to becoming an 18 year old So why did he throw them out? Cursing them generationally? Screwed over Eve and every woman forevermore and never going back on it after all these new covenants?Simple, obvious answer is that the demiurge is evil. The prince of lies is who that was.
>>41469140>LOLing hard, man. Way to go.Explain your reasoning. Are you saying cats and dogs aren't sentient? Define the word "sentient" in your own words.>So why did he throw them out? Cursing them generationally? Screwed over Eve and every woman forevermore and never going back on it after all these new covenants?If a mother goes to jail for robbing a bank, it doesn't mean her daughter should be let go if she (the daughter) also robs a bank.The daughter has everything the mother had, from being responsible for her actions, to the truth that she has in fact already committed sins (crimes) [unless you can find me a human that's perfectly sinless/crimeless spiritually] to passing it on to her offspring. The Creator took the daughter's as well as the mother's punishment on the cross, and is ready to use His omnipotent power to provide them everything thing they need to get to the realm of perfection (that has no suffering or pain, because your response makes it seem like pain and suffering are the things you majorly have a problem with).
>>41468168They had (oral) sex.
>>41468168>Because then He uses His omnipotent power to purify you, you don't have to do anything on your own.Stop with the OSAS bullshit. You MUST assent to the faith Christ taught us and keep His commandments. Without works you have a safe spot in hell.
>>41469744I don't believe in OSAS. Yet it is always Christ who produces good works in us, we cannot produce them on our own,John 15:5 - I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for *without me* ye can do *nothing*.From context when Jesus says "without Me you can do nothing" it means we can't do any good works worthy of heaven (produce any "good fruit") on our own.The only thing God ultimately wants from us is our full surrender, He takes care of the rest,1 Corinthians 15:10 - But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.Paul in the above verse gives *all* of the credit of his hard work completely to the grace of God and not himself ("yet not I"). Right from the zero level to their mature level, the credit for every biblically good work goes only and completely to God. We can't even "fully surrender" to God on our own, even that also is totally a work of God in us.If you could take even the slightest of credit for your good works, how could God get "all" the glory for your life? Wouldn't then some of the glory go to you? You make it seem like God wants you to lie when He expects you to "give Him all the glory".
>>41469894>I don't believe in OSAS. Yet it is always Christ who produces good works in us, we cannot produce them on our own,Alright, it read like it. Yes, without God we can do nothing good and no good would be in creation.
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>>41469898>Yes, without God we can do nothing good and no good would be in creation.Buddhists could argue, because you can do good things with a Buddha, and it will be good, but this is a desire, and desires should be suppressed.
>>41469952You can do every other virtue without God except "agape love". Traditionally agape love is seen as the unconditional kind of love, but the Bible redefines it as the "completely selfless love" instead of "unconditional love".This is where the Buddha failed, he thought "what's best for me? What would make MY suffering zero?", he couldn't look past self, if he does you good it's because 'it is indirectly best for ME'.Due to this underlying core philosophy of "me", the Buddha couldn't reach agape love and hence couldn't find God (who is Himself agape love, 1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16).
>>41470079i love my pets. i don't expect anything more out of them their exitance. obedience not always given, messes made but i still loved their presence. i feel likes whats its like to love as a god.
>>41468168>It was the fruit from the tree of "knowledge of good and evil", meaning before eating it, Adam and Eve didn't know what was good and what was evil. As such they could never be held accountable for their actions, they were "innocently naive".Judgement.The knowledge of what is good and what is evil is called judging things.Eating from this tree gave us judgement. Gave us opinion. Gave us self-awareness. Gave us understanding of the future, and understanding of the imagined.This tree gave us SHOULD.It allowed us to see the world as it is, AND SEE THE WORLD AS IT ISNT BUT COULD BE.This was the power that previously, was only held by God.This is what made God afraid of us.
>>41468350>Threw them out to get them away from the Tree of Life that would grant them eternal life, even!"Eternal life" is also a trick.It doesnt mean you will live forever. The animals that didnt eat dont live forever."Eternal life" is the "eternal now." It means living without any knowledge that you will die.Those that did not get the Tree of Sentience, got the Tree of Life.For them, there is only death to others, never to themselves.For them, it is>life>life>life>lifeAnd then nothing. All they will ever experience is life, without ever understanding or caring that they will die.Funny enough, this is also what the voidists will say is the way to be happy while alive. Turn off your awareness and just be alive, now.
>>41468832>But just because there are no laws against a baby's actions it doesn't mean that it isn't sentientBut...babies ARENT sentient. Babies dont get a sense of self until around 6 months, and dont get any understanding of causality or consequence until around 6.
>>41470464>understanding of causality or consequenceamoebas have been seen hunting and reacting to stimuli; are they sentient?
>>41468350This anon understands
>>41470421>i love my pets. i don't expect anything more out of them their exitance. Yet if a pet dog attacks a toddler and that attack is perceived as fatal to the toddler's life, people see it as ok if someone shoots that (pet) dog down or kills it some other way.There are lines which even we humans don't allow any other creature to cross.Think of a sin/crime for which it is ok in your mind to punish someone, from that you can decode within a few months that there are many things that people all over the world see as ok are actually very serious crimes (especially spiritually). If you can see the "spiritual wrongness" of crimes, perhaps most people who do so would find that the eternal hell punishment isn't some kind of overkill, though I think it would take 2-3 years of time or more of contemplating and spiritual dissecting to get to that point.
>>41470449>This was the power that previously, was only held by God.All angels had that ability since they were created, not just God. That is why Jesus didn't sacrifice Himself for them, but only for us humans.>The knowledge of what is good and what is evil is called judging things.See there is this thing called "innocence" (I mean like childish innocence) and it is beautiful. Humans were never a slave of God even in their "innocent state", they did choose the forbidden fruit which wasn't God's will, they chose their own future and destiny, only that after that they could be held responsible for their actions (due to their ability to "judge" as you say) and could hence be punished from that point on. Even if they hadn't eaten the fruit, they'd be choosing free will choices anyway, just that now the consequences are dire.You'd have all the options you have right now open to you if Adam and Eve didn't eat the forbidden fruit and in fact many more, just that you wouldn't be held accountable, there would be no laws against you and me, and no pain or suffering or death. Figuratively speaking, Eden was like a perfectly cushioned playground where you could do whatever you wish, even beat up anyone for fun and still you wouldn't be held accountable (though there was no pain in Eden anyway), and jump from cliffs thousands of feet high or push people off those cliffs for fun with no consequences on you or anyone (no pain for anyone and no death). Now even your country's laws have taken many options away from you. So forget God, even humans don't allow you to do (many) things that you'd otherwise be able to do, especially since pain and suffering and death weren't a thing.Eating the fruit proved to be the death of many options forever for humans rather than "knowledge" and "freedom".
>>41470647it made us limitless.
also you where put in a world made by the choices of others, you don't have to agree with them; but we're here now. the best forward for humanity is independence
and im not like your typical Luciferian i love you love god. but i think ultimately he wants us to find our own way and grow, lest he'd be more present.
i don't think he fears us because he has faith in us too
>>41470459>"Eternal life" is also a trick.>I hate life so much I desire annihilation at deathI think you're in for an unpleasant surprise
>>41468168If God is the "sum of all things" then it is less a wrathful bearded man angry at adam and eve, and more the unconscious law of the universe.By gaining awareness of good and evil, adam and eve "left" the garden mentally. Paradise now was split between good parts and bad parts to their awareness. As obaervation (eye/I) dictates reality, paradise seemed to chage form. With the loss of innocence, mankind lost eden.The serpent itself represents knowledge, and the ouroboros represents that knowledge consuming itself.Symbolism is beautiful.
>>41468168>This was satan's plan, to cause death and the possibility of hell for humans.This is wrong. There were 2 forbidden trees in the garden>the tree of good and eviland >the tree of lifeAdam and Eve were forbidden from eating from either tree by God. The snake told Adam and Eve if they ate from both then they would be like God. God intervened after Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of good and evil but before they managed to eat from the tree of life.
