Redpill me on people that go missing in national parks. Is there a group of serial killers that use it as their hunting grounds or is are aliens/extraterrestrials really taking these people and not bringing them back for whatever reason with or without their consentWe hear about the positive alien abductions but how do we even know they bring everyone back, we need alot more whistleblowers theres so much to unpack here
>>42429870>Redpill me on people that go missing in national parks.I don't think there are that many that do.> Is there a group of serial killers that use it as their hunting grounds or is are aliens/extraterrestrialsProbably retards getting lost and then killed by wildlife.
>>42429880Doesnt explain cameras and tripods along with other metals not being found, no trails https://youtu.be/_UduwgMDR-0?si=ie41DHCPLUKH2z4n
>>42429895I don't get what you mean with cameras and tripods. Most people just use their phone to photograph anything.
>>42429880##David Pauldides and Missing 411 explore a multiplicity of cases that do not fit your examples. Plenty of seemingly insane details. My guess is it’s like human cattle mutilation where they’re testing the health of certain types of people who have been exposed to common modern toxins (5G or human meat on food supply etc.)
>>42429870Serial killers are a possibility. National parks are like the last place in America with no cameras, and people will walk a trail alone.
>>42430033It doesnt explain the no scent, I think its something else something that alien that might not even be doing for bad reasons, these people might even consent to going with them
What is most probable?
>>42430145obviously portalsprobably the water rubs some type of way onto a stone which activates a mechanism making the sun rays refract into your eyes suddenly brain starts hurting until the load is completedusually woods are chill as fuck except during nights especially if no fire or tentaltho i'd argue natural caves or just basic stick fence are preferable to the vision blocking suffocation trap but hey at least its warm inside
>>42429870You have to sacrifice high net worth individuals, or they will prey on the poor. I'm British. They took our guns. That's all you need to know about that sort. Your founding fathers put guns in your hands so that they pay.
>>42429870It's easy to get lost in the woods.
People go up the random staircases out there and never return.
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>>42429870>>42429880There are massive search and rescue parties.Police, National Park, Civil Air Patrol, infrared drones, helicopters, planes, manpower, technology.You really have to be missing for days already to not be found or found dead.There is an /x/ story about an apparent abducted found in a hammock? Near death. Clothes folded neatly next to them, plenty of water and food next to them as well.But they were emaciated, near death.The claim is AyylmaosBut it was probably a hiker doing drugs by themself.Think about it, you get naked, take drugs to cause an epiphany or ego death or dmt machine elves or whatever Black Rock City slop you hear about which intrigued you.You came prepared with plenty of food and water to trip all night.But you overdosed.Holy fuck you overdosed.You trip is lasting literally days, 72 hours.You can't even get out of your hammock your motor skills are done, until you've lost too much strength to get out of the hammock now cognitive but delusional from malnutrition, dehydration, exposure, etc.You're too embarrassed to say you're a druggie, or the drugs you did are illegal as he'll.So you say I don't know.Someone says Ayys.You let them inflate the story.
>>42431236>You trip is lasting literally days, 72 hours.my dude 72 hours is nothing, anyone remotely healthy can go 72 hours without food and water and literally nothing would happen. You'd lose maybe 3lbs, mostly water weight.I personally went 17 days without food and barely lost 15 lbs.No trip by itself is going to last long enough to kill anyone. What part of "40 days and 40 nights" went over your head?
>>42431236I think the only drug that could do that is datura, which is a hallucinogenic neurotoxin.A more reasonable explanation would be suicide by like fentanyl or benzo + alcohol, but then there should be some evidence of that.
>>42429870Sometimes people get lost and tragedy strikes, even if they're experienced and calm. One incident stuck with me from SAR lit:>Middle-aged woman and experienced hiker leaves the AT to relieve herself>Can't find her way back>Establishes camp and waits>Evidence of signalling attempts and journaling >No circling or paradoxical undressing>Met her end in that camp just a few yards of the trailPeace be with her. It's the wild, gotta respect it.
>>42429987you have to careful with Paulides because he's been shown to leave out details that make the cases seem less strange. some youtube guys have gone pretty deep into many of his more famous cases.
>>42429880>unaware of missing 411 statistics>asshole answer ignorant of factsGo back to india you untouchable
>>42429870Uh i abduct and eat them, sorry. I crave plhuman meat
>>42430145>most probable Breakaway Nazis stealing scientists and sex slaves
>>42429870>Redpill me on people that go missing in national parks.Animals eat them.
>>42429870I have been saying this for a long time, but we don't live in a 3d+1t universe. We live in a 9d +2t universe. Lowest is the seperate 3d+ 1t quantum realm operating on its own time function then there is the standard 3d+ 1t you are familiar with then there is the the 3d super space that shares the same time dimension as our own space. Just like our 3d space there are structures, terrains, objects, creatures and forces and we exist in that space as well but have less ability to operate and interact in that space than standard 3d space. Sometimes though by pure chance you can be moved in that other 3d space putting you in a whole seperate reality or space than you would normally be in. Many ancient accounts in folklore back this up such as the tales of the city of gold where the natives would follow avery specific path and doing every footstep perfectly to reach there. It wassimply a replicable way of accelerating themselves along one of those higher dimensional directions.
>>42429870>Reptilian food
NTA>>42431347>40 days and 40 nightsit's not about food fasting, it has an esoteric meaning. I did 2 weeks on water fast and that was fine, but 3 days / 72h without water and food, maybe it's dangerous / idk.
>>42429870People stepping off trails in places where you literally just have to walk like eight feet into the bush to completely lose your bearings and not know where the fuck you just were anymore, then accidentally wandering off much, much farther in the time they think they're turning around to go back and having a series of, "Oh, woops, it was this way, silly me," moments before belatedly realizing they'd already done goofed by the time they decided it was beneath their station to just piss by the trail.People coming down with a bad case of seen-too-much when they stumble upon some tweeker's or cartel's hideaway at the wrong time.Opportunistic knabbings of young children by Epstein-tier traffickers who service too upscale of clientele to ever be subject in practice to United States law.Occasional serial rapists/killers, who seem mostly to just camp long-distance hiking trails.Paranormal involvement in disappearances is probably incredibly rare, but I would assume it still happens from time to time. If you've ever spent time in "haunted" woodlands (or whatever other environment), you know the rules of the game do just change in certain places for whatever reason, and visitors to those locations who've properly intuited that but chosen to take it lightly do occasionally end up paying a price. Usually more in the "something attaches to you and follows you home" kind of way, and the extremely rare disappearances in which this could plausibly be a factor seem more like psychical manipulation that gets the victim to start doing totally irrational things and deliberately getting themselves into dangerous situations than full-on fairy/ayylmao abductions.As for the latter, those strike me as being more along the "wrong place, wrong time" lines that apply to stumbling upon a wilderness meth-lab while the owner's home than about "failing to respect the forest spirits" or whatever the fuck.
>>42431236As someone who was actually overdosed out in the woods on LSD and tripped out of my fucking mind for days while camping as a super-cocky, unprepared 22-year-old who didn't even check the weather to realize I was going to be hit with –5°F cold snap that weekend ,and had nothing better than a leather jacket, a tent, and the thin blanket from my normal bed to keep warm, I assure you from firsthand experience that:- the hypothetical situations you're writing about do not play out anything like you're imagining in real life- they are very survivable if you just decide you'd rather not die and do what you need to do- you have a Christian housewife's level of understanding of how the substances you're referring to actually affect people
>>42433194That's kind of what I found, too, and I basically just shrug off everything the dude says unless there's a lot more to go on. It's that classic pattern where someone looks like they're really doing something interesting and piecing it all together, until they talk about the one thing you actually happen to know about, and you quickly realize they understand that thing in much less depth than someone could get just from reading its Wikipedia article, and that there's a good chance this applies to everything else they're talking about as well. For me with Paulides, it was when I heard his takes on Elisa Lam and Brian Shaffer.
>>42438421>you quickly realize they understand that thing in much less depth than someone could get just from reading its Wikipedia articleyeah i know exactly what you mean. had the same thing reading through 'holy grail holy blood'. But yeah, once you've seen how several of his popular cases are actually quite different to how he described them it really spoils the whole thing and you can't enjoy the spooky story time anymore.
Serial Killers and "missing persons" shit like this are both literally just wetworks, guys. It's incredibly obvious.
>>42437153This. They end up as victims for either torture/experimentation or just straight up food/adrenochrome extraction for reptoids.
>>42429870i've looked into it casually for around 5 years. Most of it can be explained by stuff like wild animals or by water-filled holes in the ground (personally around where I live in Ohio there are holes in the ground which are sometimes natural but also a result of nearby mining done 100 years ago that are perfect sizes for people to disappear in). The famous 411 story of the old man disappearing in New England without a trace could be easily explained by one of those holes which occur from mining, where the earth kinda swiss-cheeses up when pockets are disturbed down below. There are also 100% feral men who have gone crazy or given up in life and live as feral hermits in the great isolated outdoors. As much as a bullshitter as he may be, the guntuber Garand Thumb was air force special forces and in one video talked about how his squad of guys came across some feral dude like that who could dead sprint through the woods without making a sound, and this aligns with other stories I've heard irl or from other sources to be true. However a small number of the missing 411 national parks cases make zero sense and I don't have a good explanation for them, especially ones where people disappear and reappear too far away for them to have walked, etc. So overall the first and foremost explanation is just nature being harsh and modern people not having the same education to survive it as we had in the past, then man made oddities like the sink hole things, then I'm sure some of them are freaky ahh feral niggas in the woods, and then finally there is a small number of them that are truly inexplainable for me since i don't believe in aliens
>>42440355Belief is not a means of measurement of what exists and what does not.You mentioned yourself in the first person repeatedly. If you are not a direct witness then how much does your report matter? Many have direct observation of what you are choosing to not believe. How much do you think they are affected by your choice of belief? It would be the same if you chose to believe. Until you have witnessed it yourself your opinion is unqualified either way.No doubt there are those who have been witness and still don't believe. Belief is not worth much.
>>42440464I've had a good track record of believing stuff that later turns out to be true and I have a pretty good bullshit detector. I'm satisfied with my ability to determine the truth when I get certain feelings about things.
>>42429870if you lay on the ground in the forest it will begin to eat you alive. insects, bugs, bacteria, rodents, predators... its a hostile environment. it isnt disneyland. depending on climate, a dead body can decay/be eaten in 3 weeks. add rivers and lakes. if something goes wrong, nobody is ever finding your corpse.
>>42440570A better metric would be the number of times you have successfully overturned your errant beliefs than how often you have decided to quit searching.
>>42429870need to look in the right places first of all
>>42429870Cave systems. They fall into deep holes.
>>42440597bones and clothing do not decay that quickly
>>42429870People are walking up these strange stairs in the wilderness, and then they're gone forever.Some park rangers try to warn people, to just turn around and walk away when they see such stairs (they're not always at the same places) and never go near them, but of course people don't listen.
>>42442641You're really dusting off r/nosleep slop from 2015 or whenever the fuck the dude wrote that? Although I'll admit that was probably the only well-written, entertaining thing that ever came out of that community, so your post could have been much worse.
I do EMR and recovery. So like the the people rangers call when they can't find someone. Or thermals apparently cost 150k and we only got them to hunt for spies, rescue is just a happy accident. Most people who go "missing" have just fled their old lives and left a car at the trail head to further the idea that they're dead. I guess they are too cowardly or there's some legal reason they can't just run away. Suicides are very obvious but we don't delineate. It's better not to. I've even buried people who hung themselves and we just record it as missing. We don't want to encourage more people to do it but at the same time we respect that they didn't want anyone to know. If everyone jumped in front of a train, there would be no train services. We put about 50 times more effort into searches where someone might be genuinely lost or unconscious. Those are the ones we lose sleep over. Rookie hikers who just panicked and ran off the trail. If you find them there's rarely anything medically wrong with them, if you don't they die a horrible death from exposure. That's why you pay your federal Park fees, so that person isn't you. Also did hostage rescue, trans national and counter insurgency. Don't do that anymore.People who take drugs, drug related disappearances, not my business. The overlap between victim and offender is such that narco gets dejure wherever drugs are implicated. So friendly advice, if nobody knows you do drugs they'll send me, if people know you do drugs they'll send narco. And of the two of us, im trained EMT to recover people alive, narco is trained to recover bodies and boxes.
>>42442641These are called follies, structures built on private eatates for scenic value. But many did indeed gender superstition among locals. Like the suicide forest.There was a particular book, the Shaw's. Kidnapped. I forget the name but there was a long running trope about staircases to nowhere which hapless travellers would be led up in the dark. Many were built on estates as a sort of expensive warning to trespassers that they'd be killed by groundsmen and left under the folly stairs and reported as accidental deaths. >>42440355There's a specific kind of mining hole left when an open shaft hits an aquifer. These shafts were just abandoned because there was no way to pump them out. The shafts flood but being open to the aquifer are subject both to rising gas and downdraft. So what happens is that inert gas bubbles up and sits on the surface of the water which can drown people who swin in them, and the gas then fills the lungs of the bodies which sees them dragged hundreds of meters into the shaft. The nature of that risk is very hard to explain to people and our signs get stolen as souvenirs by kids.
When there are caves, or just holes in the ground, people can be taken by "greys" from the underground world. Not for experiments, they just eat people.The governments know this but don't care as long as it's just plebs who get eaten.
>>42430781I have seen shit like this and also random sidewalks and what not, no idea where they come from
>>42429870I think people going missing in American National Parks is nothing out of the ordinary. Remember, that those woods are fucking MASSIVE, many of them bigger than some European countries. It's easy for retards to get lost, Bigfoot is not required to explain that. As for serial killers - certainly, during the search for people that go missing, one of the first things law enforcement checks if there are any traces of foul play. If the cases remain as unsolved disappearances, then it's because nothing was found to suggest that. I wouldn't be surprised if some people use the woods in order to "disappear themselves", in order to run away from the lives they led until then.
Something actually worthy of /x/. I've seen a lot of shit but none of it was really supernatural.There's a phenomenon divers suffer when extended depth divers try to surface too quickly. Typically when they panic and just try to swim up blindly. Decompression sickness is terrifying.Well did you know what you can suffer decompression sickness, ICD, related conditions in shallow water if you breath in nitrogen gas? Because it's fairly harmless it only shows symptoms when people can't get enough oxygen and at that point it's often too late to get then out. The sad part is that the nitrogen is harmless so that victims can be revived almost immediately with CPR, but bystanders rarely recognise that it's a gas drowning and often leave the victim on their back to asphyxiated to death, or mistake someone struggling to swim for a near drowning, only for them to fall down metres from the water unconscious.If people enter caves usually there's s02 which is 1:1,000,000 detectable. An ancestral warning about cave gas. But if it's aquifer gas the water will absorb the so2 leaving nitrogen. Dead caves. People will go in intrigued by what looks like an injured animal. That animal has been there 50 years. Mummified. By the time they feel faint they can only expell more oxygen, nitrogen quicky causes people to pass out even though it's not biologically necessary. So dead animals just accumulate for hundreds of years in the openings of these cases.The phenomenon, rather then sad deaths, is when people suffer gas decompression sickness because their tissue has absorbed the nitrogen, probably saving their lives, then they're dragged out of the water and their tissue tries to exhale all that nitrogen. This can lead to bizarre, drug like states that can present 24h-36h afterwards.
>>42431347Actually, there were trips lasting long enough to kill people, see Bromo-DragonFLY. It's a pretty famous case among people who actually did psychedelics and were informed enough of what are they taking - BRDF is a good example of what happens when a retard meets a substance that requires great caution.
>>42442736Yeah, I also find that annoying. The original creepypasta is well-written and engaging to read. There's that and there's taking it as 100% true story just because you've got a few photos of stairwells or remainders of a bridge. That was the point of the pasta, to take a relatively rare, yet completely human made occurrence and turn it into something with a mysterious backstory. I just don't see how it fits in a thread where we're looking at non-creepypasta events. Stairwells would fit in a case where somebody went up one and fell on their face in a very unfortunate way. That's also why that guy is talking about stairs in that creepypasta - don't fucking go up them because you can get hurt by falling from them. It's especially bad if you're alone, you broke your leg by falling down and are lying down there, utterly fucked. Too many retards met their ends by doing something seemingly safe, but being a retard means you can die by slipping in your own bathtub.
>>42442863Yeah, real funny. To be honest, it would be much better to just get killed and eaten by "Greys", than suffer what really happens in caves - cases where people get stuck in, what amounts to, claustrophobic nightmare on steroids for many days, until they finally fall unconscious and die of exposure.
You underestimate how hard it is to get lost in the woods. I'm a hardened woodsman and even I got lost for ten hours in a 5 acre woods that I'd been in countless times before. I was lucky I made it out before sundown when the temp would have dropped from 70 to -5
>>42442868>Bigfoot is not required to explain thatYes, he is. I demand an explanation for his behavior.
