Hello, i am making it a goal of mine at this point to become celibate for mental clarity, lack of drama, and general well being because i think it would be the best choice for me and someone like me. Issue is i feel extremely inhuman when i do it. Like the longer i try it, the less human i become, the longer i go without an orgasm, the more robotic i feel. I feel like the main thing that keeps me grounded as a human is another person and without another person i can not feel human. In my life i dont usually get touched often which also separates me heavily from the world. I am not particularly a fan of being a detached inhuman wandering the earth as a shadow. The general benefits of celibacy seems to miss me. Anyone else had this problem? I meditate and fast but it always ends with me feeling even more inhuman and like a specter in the world. Tell i am basically doing anything i can to just feel SOMETHING. Separating me from my sexuality seemed to cause this effect. I really cant live with it, ive seen that, i cant indulge in it, so i have to figure out some fix for it, but i never expected the inhuman part to be this strong.
The biggest mistake people pursuing a spiritual path make is trying to reject natural urges of their body instead of accepting and moderating them. Stop fearing your boner.
>>42432096Yeah, not voluntarily though
>>42432160How do you live with them if you cant indulge in them in a healthy way? Like for me im either consuming a lot of porn and looking for greater highs as a result, or im searching for escorts. I dont want to do either. But total rejection ends in rejection of humanity and then i just feel like a camera on a tripod viewing life and not someone who is actually a part of this world. I cant moderate them because there is no way to monitor it if i cant be with anyone for a hundred different reasons and if i watch porn its never enough to satisfy what im missing in life.
>>42432160Women must be scorned or you live among the goycattle caught up in fake and gay illusion. You are not enlightened and you are more like an animal being controlled by your body.>B-but muh cope!Shut up goycattle. Have fun taming your little bratty princess who is stirring up drama just so you feel immersed in the life illusion.
>>42432096I want to commit to celibacy and semen retention, but I don’t feel capable of following a spiritual practice because of my lack of guidance and willpower. I’ll probably do it when I’m older, but just like a series of obsessions, I’ve been thinking about doing it ever since I discovered masturbation.
you seem to be confusing nofap and celibacy>anyone here tried celibacy?I'm a 43yo virgin and a committed volcel since I was real little. Turned down bitches (and men) on more than a few occasions. Spiritual purity is infinitely more important than getting your dick wet.>I am not particularly a fan of being a detached inhuman wandering the earth as a shadow.roll with it I sayget some black clothes, grow your hair and shitmaybe go full manson?you can become "that guy" that no one wants to mess with on the street, especially when they feel your shadow aura threatening to implode their fragile normie souls
>>42432160This is so fucking retarded in so many ways, seriously people should stop give advice when they themselves aren't spiritual advanced
>>42432096Join a hobby group.Gita >2.59: Though the embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.Chapter 3>4: Not by merely abstaining from work can one achieve freedom from reaction, nor by renunciation alone can one attain perfection.>5: Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment.>6: One who restrains the senses of action but whose mind dwells on sense objects certainly deludes himself and is called a pretender.>7: On the other hand, if a sincere person tries to control the active senses by the mind and begins karma-yoga without attachment, he is by far superior.
Uh...yeah...that's...that's actually what I've been doing this whole time, being celibate for spiritual reasons...
Yeah. But I am extremely superficially charming and not bad looking and people have found out and are now psyoping me into having sex. It isn't healthy to not have sex but the anti porn crowd are dick heads.
>>42432232>How do you live with them if you cant indulge in them in a healthy way?You can indulge them in a healthy way. You don't need chronic masturbation or sex. You don't need complete celibacy (which is a lie at worse and vanity at best).You moderate your approach.Look at the people who responded to me with anger. Do they seem enlightened or balanced at all?
>>42435634Ill just say there isnt really a healthy way i can exercise it since the masturbation stuff comes from a loss of something in my life so i either need to do a lot of it or find more extreme porn, and as for sex it is expensive as hell for me to have and a massive nerve wrecking thing to do since its illegal to see escorts where i live. I am too far gone for a woman, i cant be in a relationship, theres far too many things i cant control that just wont make it even start, much less work. So for me i either need to learn to live celibate. Ive seen how people who have learned to live without it act and think, and i want to be like that. Because at my current state i doubt ill live another decade if i cant get this problem solved. Love must come from within, and i shouldnt ever expect to get it in this world
>>42432972You wank your little meat stick to porn 4 times a day.
>>42432160If you saw my boner you’d fear it too.
>>42437173Protips: Celibacy can be solid, allows for focus and helps build will power, temptations of the flesh are effective tools against many spiritual paths.Semen Retention can be the ultimate idea behind and around Tantra as much as "nofap", the idea is not to ejaculate and it builds up your energy bodies. Depending on your urges, physical needs (don't use it and lose it) and balancing; don't necessarily want a bent Peroni's "Disease" pecker.Edging practice and sexual energy charging aside, using your Imagination can generally be way better than porn. Though some porn can be educational if you're a virgin. I am inexperienced so hearing enthusiasm versus fake-orgasmic voices can help fill in the brain bubbles.You do have a problem if you need to nut to feel alive. Concentration exercises aren't universal either. Some use Active Imagination, some void to No-Mind. Elemental Breathing isn't to be a dull experience.Otherwise as per Tantra you're supposed to build meaningful passion with a partner and growth together. Or go OTO? and Sigil Goon with proper build ups.Give your nuts and prostate some breaks though. Muscles and organs get tired, and you're obviously young?, your libido will generally decrease over the many years and you may want to reserve those nutrients and energy. Phosphorus and gold aren't abundant in diets.Lastly, being able to control your urges and body is apex. Especially if you ever need to piss with morning wood. Being able to relax your loins vascular system is similar to controlling heartbeat.
>>42437277>using your Imagination can generally be way better than porn.I tried this for a while but i always seem to hunger for more. I want the real thing. My life feels boring when i dont get it often. I have hobbies btw, just nothing i do seems to compare to the utter relaxation and general positive effects i seem to get from being with another person physically. >You do have a problem if you need to nut to feel aliveAgree, i think a lot of dudes are like me though and they kinda revealed themselves during covid when they were threatening suicide after a month of not being with someone. I mean, i would probably not be going down this path if i wasnt shown time and time and time again that women just arent worth it in my life and furthermore arent something for me. >Some use Active Imagination, some void to No-Mind. Elemental Breathing isn't to be a dull experience.Ill have to google some of these, im not sure what elemental breathing or no mind is. >Otherwise as per Tantra you're supposed to build meaningful passion with a partner and growth together.I have been permanently shut off from another person. There is no growth when i am included, i am like poison it seems. >Give your nuts and prostate some breaks though. Muscles and organs get tired, and you're obviously young?I agree, and im in my 30s. >your libido will generally decrease over the many years and you may want to reserve those nutrients and energyIt did after the age of 25 for me. The problem is my life just became more empty because it stopped being sex, which i could pay for, and turned into wanting greater goals like a lover and a family. When that couldnt happen, i felt lost. It was something i was told most people experienced in their lives. And i just never got it. It never clicked for me. I feel eternally separate from humanity and infantile if that makes sense.
if anyone has any material btw for what im looking for feel free to recommend it.
>>42432160This a subtle spiritual trap. Once you believe this lie the chance you will become enlightened in this life are dramatically reduced...
>>42435634>they actually think nobody can be celibate, or else its vanity>calling people enlightened
>>42432996>shillimg porn
>>42432096Difficult to say. Most important, if you don't orgasm i think you need a hardcore cardio routine, for me it's running. It has benefits for prostate and all the muscles, blood and lymph, especially in the belly and below waist area.I am a virgin who orgasms reluctantly about 5 times a year, but i went 8 months during the pandemic.What is your job? If you work on the computer the whole endeavour will be much more difficult and probably dangerous, especially if you work sitting.I work on the computer but i stand a lot.I don't do this whole thing for clear reasons, but when i orgasm i just feel wrong and weak so i try not to.If orgasm don't feel wrong for you try to have them as seldom as possible would be my advice, idk about women tho, sex outside marriage is dumb. And if you get married the problem because simpler.
>>42437512Do you meditate anon...? I hear cardio combined with meditation is really beneficial.
>>42432096Celibacy is Christian, trad, and conservative. Read The Holy Bible and abstain from Earthly temptations cause they’re all demonic.
>>42437343Bliss of the celibate. It's a book, there is also a guy on youtube who made an audiobook.
>>42437513No, i don't even know what it means, i never looked into it and i'm not interested. I walk at night though, maybe that is my "meditation", idk.
>>42437489Men are visual. Kinda hard without porn. You anti porn guys are dick heads.
>>42432096you lack more fundamentla practices so ofc it just leads to indefinite more pressure of discomfort.here:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUPMn2PfEqIwZkwF6OQc0UJ5bfVIoM3Xithis whole playlist is ONLY prelims to celibacy according to a Buddhist framework, and and all of it will lay groundwork for you to understand what the issue is and if you were even trying the right thing.
>>42432160I frankly believe that until you have sex, you will be stunted and won't be able to seriously progress spiritually anyway. But this board will cope because people here hate themselves.
>>42432096Normie faggot tinder sex indulgist blames the average neet or freet and then has bahbies first awakening in their late 20's(I'm not even bitter had a few exes who were).NIGRA CATTLE GET ON OUR LEVEL LEL, YWNLTP(You will never leave this place).
Probably the most effective time of my entire life was when I was pursuing semen retention and celibacy. I did other stuff, but it was a major piece of the puzzle. Like anything, spiritual progress is entirely proportional to the amount of energy invested. The more time and energy you devote to sexual relationships the more you lose elsewhere. For some it may be worth having romance and excitement. But for others, relationships are miserable and distracting. If you don't want to be celibate, you can find a partner who wishes to use the sexual life force for mutual spiritual liberation (tantra)
>>42437512I work as a chef and outside of that i am fairly active with my hobbies >>42437517Ive tried getting into Christianity but every time i try to enter a church i feel like i dont belong there. >>42438522Worse than tinder, i got rejected by every woman on there, i have never had sex for free, i only had sex by paying escorts and hookers. I always felt bad about it and felt like a slave to it i just never had the clarity i have now tell i stopped doing it a year or so ago. I just feel empty now. >>42438293Ive had it 12 times by now with 12 different women. I can agree if you mean by spiritual progression you mean by hitting rock bottom, Sure. But me compared to me at 21 when i started doing this i am 100x more bitter, angry, and mentally wrecked. I could see having sex inside a marriage or like a committed relationship could bring spiritual something(like through tantric traditions) but sex on its own to me has been the worst thing that has ever been brought into my life just due to the damage it causes me both to my wallet and to my mental health.
>>42438278Thanks for the playlist and >>42437522thanks for the book recommendation
