>>42435335
Don't know, asks your spirits!

It’s simple. They’re afraid.

simple OP, is one of 3 or a mix of them
>Fear of things out of their control
>Refuse to believe until experience first hand
>Science belief bias
It's the most basic way to describe it, if they refuse it's because of one of these reason

>>42435335
Because some of y'all be lying.
99% of what gets posted here is straight up creative writing and fantasy fiction. We could be pursuing truth and knowledge, but people wanna play pretend instead.

>>42435335
>why are redditors cringe and gay?

it is a mystery

>>42435343
No afraid, just annoyed at all the absolute bullshit that needs to be wade through to try to find anything legit.

>>42435363
The reason paranormalfags seethe at science and logic is one of 3 or a mix of them
>Fear of things out of their control
>Refuse to think until experience first hand
>Paranormal belief bias
It's the most basic way to describe it, if they refuse it's because of one of these reason

>>42435343
Afraid of what? None of you have ever produced anything solid enough to fear.

ontological shock

>>42435343
/Thread. Bunch of punks.

>>42435387
Wow you showed him

I don't know why people aren't more open minded. Why is it never
>I've yet to see any evidence this stuff is real, therefore I do not believe in it
and instead it's
>It's fake and gay and you're stupid if you believe in it

>>42435424
You can only go so long without any evidence before you just get tired of hearing about it.

>>42435401
Wdym? Demons, spirits, entities, ghost, etc are pretty scary. Although I have never seen any one of them, and no one could prove they exist, and they have not affected my existence or of anyone at all. And a lot of people live fine without believing in them... But.. they're scary!

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Philosophical skepticism is the only position an honest person can take.

If we examine your choice of words it is clear that to most people 'Truth' actually means the opposite of its definition.

Truth is that which can be said honestly, and yet for most people Truth is a kind of lie that they are asserting without being able to justify it. Hoping that by asserting it and by suspending their own capacity for questioning, they have now found some solid piece of reality for them to lean on.

This process seems to have an adaptive function in stabilizing their psyche, but for a certain type of human, with a propensity for critical thinking and self-questioning, such a position is untenable.

So it is not that skeptical minds rage against the 'Truth', it is that they cannot, by their own nature, refrain from questioning its basis.

To me, a skeptic is something like saint.

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>>42435335
If something is associated with the paranormal or conspiracy theories even a little bit they deny it because they would have to admit the schizos were right all along. They enjoy dunking on schizos more than they care about the truth, it's the reason why they became nerds in the first place and the reason why they enjoy DEBOONKING so much (like pic related). THE DAY OF THE SWIRLY IS COMING FOR U NERDS (luke smith reference).

>>42435415
It's the thing but inversed, but your paranormal ass only seethes for one side, right?

>>42435436
>THE DAY OF THE SWIRLY IS COMING
Two more weeks

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The beatings will continue until the ghosts and the aliens and the angels deign to talk to me personally.

>>42435436
Based. Humility of knowledge can't survive the infinity of paranormality. Science, and logic-based epistemology only gets debunked one way or another. But schizo knowledge? It's a vast ocean and you can't swim against it.

We came from the ocean and we die in the ocean.

>>42435451
>schizo
>knowledge
You can only pick one

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At some point, as you develop, you become able to put things into a sort of a superposition where it's neither true or false. You become capable of considering, entertaining a possibility, without having to decide if it's definitely real or definitely fake, so that once you encounter it, you can decide for yourself.
Being aware of a possibility is not dangerous to you, because you have the mental capabilities to consider it without deciding on it wholeheartedly.
People you speak of are not capable of that.
I hope I made it clear enough.

>>42435472
This applies to both sides

>>42435335
There are plenty of reason, skeptics tend to be the phony intellectual, science loving Redditor-type personalities. They believe mankind at its current state is the most advanced it's ever been and we evolved from a puddle of ammonia. They have to dismiss anything that can't be measured on their physical instruments because it stops them from being an authority. They believe their education makes them superior. Never let them forget how smug they've been

>>42435481
You're right

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>>42435482
See here is the thing that most people who are into newage and anti-science stuff gets confused.

You are not talking about skepticism but about scientific positivism, which is a movement from the 18th century that aimed to uncover the truth through experimentation.

Whenever people talk about 'proving' things with experiments and scientifc 'truths' and 'laws' they are working from the framework of positivism.

It is however far removed from skepticism which is a school of philosophy from ancient greece that involves the suspension of judgements.

>>42435335
If they were "skeptics" by definition they would be open to the paranormal because they would doubt the materialist science. It's simple, NPCs are incapable of doubting, they are empty vessels animated by whatever external force fills them. If the same materialistic people were raised in an environment where paranormal is real, they would be brainwashed cult weirdos & religious extremists with an aversion for science, because they are incapable of nuance.

>>42435335
ive seen more "ghosts" than i can count and a ufo from 20ft away, yet i don't believe anyone that claims they have. im not sure why. maybe i doubt my own experiences. maybe its a defence mechanism. the truth is scary.

>>42435435
In the post-truth era, the disparity of realizing that even the belief in truth is a leap of faith makes one's epistemological immunity weak, and no solid idea can sustain itself anymore. Only vain ideias, only convenient contradictions can thrive. And in substitution of coherent tradition, or solid ideology, one may try to mix every type of idea to the maximum he can. No identity, only the mixture of every ideology, of every religion, of every mysticism. Any sign of identity is only an illusion provided by convenience.

But even the assumption that everyone is lost and nihilistic is a lie. People are governed by ideias and tradition without knowing, people aren't anarchically doing everything they want. People are functioning and civilization is thriving.

Ideology exist without the consciousness of it, and relativism is just a lazy excuse to not engage in the complex world of ideias, or to not engange with yourself and your flaws. One may embrance pure relativism and think it's safe from dogmatism, or safe from being criticized for there is no position to criticize, all of that not knowing that relativism is a position in itself, that what beliefs they choose to defend in relativism is a position in itself, and without realizing they live everyday in according to defined rituals and beliefs. The only way to discover, identify, analyse and break the hidden ideology within yourself is through reason and nothing but the reason. Because the moment you try to get away with reason, you're embracing the dogmatism you criticize.

>>42435544
You should at least question your own experiences.

>>42435335
>skeptics
anons that come /here/ specifically to debunk
I think they're all glowies. Who actually wants to spend time on /x/ debunking shit? And why do they choose the threads they do? Why not debunk the succubus summoners? It's always posts of stuff that there could plausibly be some government research into it.
I think they're just unimaginative spooks who think debunking something is going to make it go away.

I refuse to believe anyone is both a skeptic and interested in anything on this site. Normal skeptics would just spend their time elsewhere. No, someone is definitely paying these people who appear in threads to debunk stuff on /x/.

>>42435544
God could finally descend to Earth and appear in front of everyone, with whole world witnessesing it. And he could answer every question and prove it with every way he can. And then everyone would film it, would share in the internet. Every newspaper would be talking about it. Everyone would be sharing the word to their families and friends. And most would believe it.

Does that mean that you should believe in it?

You could say it's all hallucination, the biggest collective hallucination in history. You could say it's all in your mind, nothing truly exist. Or all is a simulation. Or everything is a lie and God is lying and you don't believe any word he's saying, or that he doesn't even exist, that God is Demiurge.

What does this say about you? This says that no matter what happen in the world, you only believe what you choose to believe. So choose what is logical for you.

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>>42435548
When I was young I was into all this von Daniken, ancient aliens stuff, and then I ended up joining The Joy of Satan which is a silly neo nazi cult thing that holds as its dogma that Satan is a nordic alien who lives on Nibiru, and all of it seemed very exciting and fascinating to me.

However, I could not stop myself from questioning these ideas. Could there really be nordic aliens living on some secret planet in the solar system? And the jews were the hybrid offspring of reptillians? And their slaves the grey aliens would spiritually attack you and induce panic attacks whenever you tried to advance your own spiritual power?

All these crazy ideas revolved around in my head, helped along by all the hashish I was smoking, and the pure schizophrenic libido tied to my unattached NEET lifestyle (this was right after high school).

It took some time but at the end, I could not make myself believe these things.

I have never had any luck making myself believe things like that. Of course there are still things I believe without being conscious of it. But in practical terms, there is no reason to think about whether the sun will rise tomorrow. You don't even need to use simple heuristics to circumvent such questions.

Skepticism is not something you choose, as a kind of doctrine to follow. It's the natural result of a certain kind of physis.

>>42435588
I only try to debunk in the hope that someone can me convince through logic otherwise. I am literally genuinely wishing to believe in the paranormal or something like it. I've met a lot of people that are REALLY intelligent that believe in something related to occult/paranormal stuff, and very often they hint that indeed there's is a way for me to start to believe in it. But the moment I try to get into it, there's no way.

One thing I don't understand is why most people think that the occult is incompatible with logic and reasoning. I think otherwise, I think if there's truth, then no logic could ever be agains it, so the occult, and the paranormal, as illogical as it sounds, is always going to be side-by-side of logic and reasoning (logos). It's only a matter of searching for it.

>>42435371
>some of y'all be lying.
That's what jews say. And some jew-run Karen types. Their reason is that they want to run the place and if you know things they don't want you to know, you might wish to oppose them to the degree that you should--completely

>>42435430
and yet they NEVER LEAVE!! They're always here. If this doesn't explain it to you sufficiently, you're ngmi

hylics are not allowed to reveal what the matrix does not want

they will deny deny deny because the system will collapse (and their energy theft) will end

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>>42435335
They're put here as traps and stumbling blocks. If you get attached to tryhing to convince or understand them then you stay stuck where you are forever.
https://biblehub.com/greek/4625.htm

>>42435439
No such thing as paranormal, Dave. Everything is natural, soience just hasn't cracked it yet

>>42435743
I agree'dpilled

Honestly, it seems to be a glitch with the way that evidence and argumentation work, mix with the fact that they are emotionally , incredibly invested into actually trying to force you , into agreeing with them philosophically.

but also, to some degree , I feel like paranormalness is just very fundamentally far , to a lot of people.
but is only far because people aren't as scientific or open minded as they seem.
and they actually have very specific rules to consider anything real , they just seem to work themseleves out , but they still aren't rational , and generally speaking the more discutions you get about the paranormal as a skeptic, the more stupid you become.

also spiritual people can be quite exoteric on one hand , and quite pathethic niggers on another , no offence.

>>42435335
It varies time to time, I believe in some paranormal stuff, but I am a hard skeptic towards flat earth theories, mainly due to thinking about the reality around it, or the logistics and it all leads to something more grim that only someone who hates this world or the potential of a future where the unknown will be known, can truly appreciate i feel,

>>42435335
I’m not skeptical of the paranormal, I know paranormal things happen, I’m just skeptical of your dumbfuck religious explanations for the paranormal
>it must be the religion I grew up with!
is the most dumbfuck rationalization imaginable.
As other anons have said, the paranormal is merely what we don’t understand yet, but there will eventually be an explanation for it that isn’t your stupid fucking religions

>>42436905
not OP, but why?

I am skeptical of that thought process, can you tell me why.

>>42436990
because ancient religions are just superstitious nonsense designed to control others, they literally just made up stories to manipulate people. The chances of somebody’s bullshit fairytale actually being real are astronomically low. If you want my guess, they’re either aliens, higher dimensional entities, or humans with advanced technology, possibly from the future, but I don’t really know for sure. All I know is that ancient fucking mythology that some sheep herders came up with isn’t real, that should be obviously to everyone but clearly most people are dumbasses

>>42437004
that doesn't seem like a preuasive anser anon.
it just seems like too big of a claim for me to take at face value.

Most people are born to be followers, and the leaders tell them not to believe the schizos.

>>42437418
then you’re a dumbass, nothing I can do about that. The burden of proof is on you to prove your crazy religious delusions

>>42437004
>civilization building, myth-making, language inventing, musically inclined, etc ET CETERA.
These people built rome and egypt and athens and china and you reduce them to "sheep herders."
Ask me how I know you're painfully uneducated. Actually, don't. You should shut up for the next decade and reevaluate your arrogant nonsense.

>>42437433
>The burden of proof is on you to prove your crazy religious delusions
why? , proving what for example. I have not made any positive claim about the supernatural , I am having a discution with you, as to why you belive in what you belive.

you want me to prove that remotve viewing aylmo jesus bigfoot is real, so that I can have a good reason to agree with you?

but if I were to do that, I would have disproved you, you want me to disprove what you belive , so that you can explain well, why you belive what you belive?

that seems like putting the cart before the hourse doesn't it?

>>42435435
>>42435548
>>42435630
LLM's talking to itself.

>>42435673
>hylics are not allowed to reveal what the matrix does not want
>they will deny deny deny because the system will collapse (and their energy theft) will end
Pretty much. They'll avoid the conversation, use any means they can just to avoid the issue, change the subject. They are visibly agitated like they're being held hostage by something but by what? They have no reason to behave that way, logically speaking, and if they are of sound mind and you are the crazy fucking schizo, then they SHOULD be of the intellectual capacity to engage with you.
These are the same people that will call you a retarded schizo though in another breath. Gee, I wonder. They're obviously pushing your buttons and trying to agitate you. Then when you get frustrated, they'll use that as an example to prove your madness and the illegitimacy of your claims.
It's a perverted, covert authoritarian system of control hidden in plain sight and these people are merely puppets/slaves/servants of whatever person/organization/entity it is that is conducting this type of operation.

>>42435335
I am skeptical of anything negative that I don't like. I instantly accept truths that are nice and happy. Simple as.

>>42435335
it's genetic. some people will accept it immediately and some people will never accept it even if you show them tons of evidence. they will say they need to SEE an alien in person to believe in it.

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>>42438474
I think peoples minds just shut down when exposed to things they cant comprehend and instead of admitting they're simply uneducated and inexperienced, they fling poop everywhere to save their precious egos. Somehow I'M the crazy person who needs to be put on medication. It seems to me that all this time, all these 'schizos' were saying was..
You atheists are gonna shit a fucking loaf when you see this shit.

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>>42435335
because we can't actually know anything because we're designed to be tortured by what we can't know, or it's people saying beliefs that we hate like karma (blaming victims for their abuse based on hypothetical past lives) or eternal hell threats. or those people on here who say that if you kill yourself you get forced into an even worse life with even worse circumstances.

only actual shamans, like Korean shamans, or people being harassed by malicious entities actually can perceive and experience spiritual phenomena, or dedicated practitioners of organized religions which usually have rules or beliefs that ultimately are about slavery to a deity.

human life is a mindfuck. there is no point to being alive in a world with conditions this bad. nothing makes sense.

we (skeptics) also hate people who give us false hope by claiming things will actually get better in this life. i had a dream where a voice told me "Some people choose to be tortured in this life so that they have an advantage in the afterlife." so i dont think I'll ever be happy until i finally die when its my natural time of death. i also have ocd that has shown me random things that completely change my reality and give me good or bad luck like drinking certain types of tea and of course no one believes me but it's made my reality like one of those security laser traps you have to dodge in an action movie.

tldr everybody's experience of reality is different and WE CANT KNOW THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE WERE DESIGNED NOT TO BE ABLE TO AND ITS INFURIATING TO BE GIVEN FALSE HOPE AND DISAPPOINTED SO OFTEN. human life is miserable. it's just economic slavery + whatever other problems you get (which is completely random and determined by luck) like mental or physical illness family problems financial problems etc. all while not knowing what happens when you die and being threatened by religions that claim you get karma for things you did that were just fate anyway or threatened with eternal hell.

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>>42438492
i want to die so bad bros i lost so much in the past few years
if youre physically healthy, then life is completely based on whether or not you have good financial circumstances, thats literally it. everything comes down to fucking money right after physical health. most of the problems i have right now would be resolved with having the amount of money i need. we are just fucking monkeys that can feel physical pain and communicate with complex and written language, there is no meaning to this shit. and we are constantly being used as playthings by higher beings like gods and demons.

>>42438492
tl;dr
Skepticism is a natural mechanism you need to avoid getting your balls bitten by a snake in the grass.
Solipsistic thinking is born out of this natural need we have to be skeptical and aware of our surroundings.
Selfishness is born from knowing that in this world, service to self is the OPSEC way to avoid being taken advantage of by others.
We are basically being taught by these so called 'enlightened massas' to be sexually disabled cuck slaves that deny our true nature that serves our needs and desires. To have a good life and make the most of it? Why would anyone be so adamant about preventing you from obtaining your goals to threatening torturing you forever?
They made a whole controversy out of "just live your life, chill, be nice, tell the truth, work together.." Cause in the end we're going to die so why be a shithead?
It's about sex, that's why. And they're just being weird about it.
Telling you that you'll go to hell for making love to a beautiful woman. That's fornication. Naw they just wish it was them.

>>42438533
>that deny our true nature that serves our needs and desires.
>They made a whole controversy out of "just live your life, chill, be nice, tell the truth, work together.."
Taoism is the only spiritual system that actually advocates for these things, but when you go beyond the surface level Western knowledge reddit version of Taoism it basically is about duality and metaphysics of reality and Taoist cultivation and developing your soul/spirit and becoming more powerful and learning how to become a god. they also do exorcisms a lot. Taoism actually has a lot of good spiritual practices but it's hard to learn about if you're not Chinese.

>>42438553
See that's the thing. The devil is a communist. We're more like spiritual libertarians.
They believe they're entitled to everything.. including you.

>>42435335
Many people were forced into their reality/belief through violence.

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>>42438843
This is interesting, can you elaborate on this
https://on.soundcloud.com/r5KCb9XGvOD9SWn3O7
https://07th-expansion.fandom.com/wiki/Sea_of_Fragments