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Last thread got archived, keep it going.

For Jojo Degeneracy related discussions, add Pizano#6160 on discord to gain access for the main server.
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I'm excited for Stone Ocean
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>>2855155
And sad too
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Sorry for the accidental second thread. I'd delete it if it would let me. Here's the art I've been working on.
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here's another I just finished. Not entirely satisfied with the job my phone camera is doing, but a decent scanner is expensive, sooo...
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>>2855201
That's fucking amazing anon. Great job!
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These are super good!
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>>2854840
genuinely the sexiest doujin. joseph is a massive bottom.
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>>2857355
Mista is one thicc bih
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>>2858103
Just go to rule 34
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>>2857149
I beg to differ.
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I need more pics like this of Pol getting dick
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>>2860940
i need to see more pics of avdol giving dick
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>>2859688
Need more of Johnny getting wrecked. There's nothing hotter.
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>>2861326
So much Johnny porn has him genderswapped for some fucking reason, it's a shame.
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I got two fresh ones
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Who is the artist? That is incredible.
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>>2868085
Blatterbury
They both come from the "Glazed" zine that came out yesterday. /fujojo/ has it down on /trash/
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>>2868088
Man, I've never followed zines and had no clue zines were still a thing. Is it a digital publication nowadays?
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>>2868090
I really don't know. I'm sorry. I've only ever seen artists sometimes go "I've drawn x for y!" And that's it
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>>2868091
thanks anyhow, I'll dig up more info on my own eventually.
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>>2871808
I love power bottom Kars, but personally I can only see him bottoming for someone he'd see as worthy. I don't think he'd bottom for a mere vampire.

Almost done with a fresh EsiKars for you guys.
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>>2854799
https://youtu.be/BB0pJaeQtu8
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The true meaning of go fuck yourself
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I wish my camera did better than this, but fuck it.
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>>2873356
why is Esidisi the top? Kars was the king of the pillar men.
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>>2873388
Why would Kars do the work instead of having Esidisi pleasure him? But I'll draw them the other way around eventually. Kars as a power bottom is pretty popular, though.
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>>2873389
it's more jarring when the bottom is doing all the work for the top, it's got a greater... feel of dominance. still hot mind you, I wish that (Esidisi) were me.
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>>2873552
I think in most of these instances it's because Kars is seen as more feminine due to his fine features, the eyeliner and the hair. which is a criminally surface level take, since Kars exuded top energy in both the anime and the manga even before becoming ultimate. It's hot when Dio tops him though, because of the man vs god dynamic that i'm sure we can all relate to.
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>>2873553
could pic related top Kars?
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>>2873552
I kind of wish I were Kars, personally. Esidisi looks like he'd be an absolute beast in bed.

I get what you are saying, though.

>>2873553
I see it that way when it's Kars with most characters, that his pride and control would make him more likely to be top. But I don't imagine he'd be as worried about that with Esidisi. Even though he's the leader, he never lorded over Esidisi. I guess I imagine it would be more intimate to let Esidisi top. I like that sort of dynamic switch up in relationships.

Besides that, Kars is a very restrained character, while Esidisi is much more outgoing and less risk averse. It's more fun for Someone like Esidisi to take the top role in a lot of cases, I think, unless it's just about dominance and nothing else.

I can't see Kars bottoming for Dio at all, though. Dio is a mere human who stole the power of Kars invention for his own purposes, and yet has an unearned inflated ego. Kars would hate him.

>>2873562
Young Dio Brando would be seen as a potential tool and then disposed of once he gets ideas above his station, that's my take had they met.
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>>2873771
you must see the big picture beyond fetishism. Kars was the ruler and the king, and despite not being a tyrant to his fellow pillar men (which would be utterly pointless because he never wanted to rule over anybody) he didn't particularly care for them. sure he says he wants vengeance but show me when and where he cried and moped at their deaths. they were a means to an end at the end of the day, not friends. i don't get the "i cherish him enough to let him take me" vibe with those two, while it is present with Joseph and Caesar. i think pairing Kars up with Esidisi is face value trash, kinda like pairing Jonathan up with Dio despite them having zero sexual chemistry. shit 15 year old girls would do.
I rather enjoy the concept of Kars dominating the otherwise prideful Dio though. if it's >>2873562 I could see Kars dressing him up like Gerudo Link and treating him like a submissive concubine.
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>>2873562
which version?
>vampire PB Dio
not a chance. he's food, a pawn at best.
>DIO
tricky, but Kars would rather eat him than have sex with him.
Funnily enough I could maybe see the one in your pic topping him because he wouldn't be registered as much of a threat at all, so he could maybe put kars in a stuck stepmom situation while he's not being particularly mindful. 13 year old dio was also the best looking JoJo character, so maybe he can charm Kars.
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>>2874103
>shota Dio stuck stepmom'ing Kars
somebody PLEASE get on that
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>>2874091
One does not need to weep openly to mourn. To me the Pillar Men just came of as Stoics... Stoicism isn't a lack of caring, it's about self control and not being ruled by emotional impulse and sentimentality.

Kars in the anime did show fondness for his companions in his facial expressions and tone of voice when speaking to them or about them. Also, note that Esidisi wasn't supposed to go after the stone alone, he mentions that the others aren't there yet but that he's so close that he's going to go ahead without them, so the people who interpret Kars as sacrificing Esidisi are wrong, Esidisi took a risk without consulting or waiting for Kars.

In the Anime Kars worries about Esidisi once, in the manga he mentions his concern twice. He says to JoJo that he will not let Esidisi's will be in vein, which shows that his respect for Esidisi's will was paramount.

With Whamu, Kars originally wasn't going to let his battle with JoJo go forward, intending to end Joseph and Lisa Lisa immediately if possible, Lisa Lisa bluffed about a bomb, and Whamu suggested that he be allowed to avenge his master and have his fight. Then Kars allows it.

During the fight, Kars freaks out and screams for Whamu not to use his final form, but it's no use. When Joseph defeated him, Kars did not intervene because this was Whamu's will.

People totally overlook the depth of respect and appreciation Kars showed through his intentions and actions. Originally, he had wanted to rule along side them as gods, not be the lone Ultimate Thing... You'll noticed he lost himself in the final battle with JoJo. He was a bit unhinged, and more than just wanting to avenge them out of pride, he wanted revenge because they were his companions and JoJo took them from him. He wanted JoJo to feel their pain, as in the Hamon scene. That was Kars mourning.

Esidisi is the only Pillarman who had Kars' back, and stuck with him through everything, even raising kids.
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>>2874148
Explain what stepmoming is and what you envision, and I might be able to deliver on that.
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>>2874091
>>2874103
Please post porn with your discussion, not CM

Here, have a real crack pairing to complain about, since apparently shipping is such serious business. lol
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>>2874155
personally i'm more of a 2koma guy, pic related. if you could pull that off... that would be beyond words
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>>2874164
Well now you have to explain 2koma to me. I feel old as fuck now. Thanks, anon.

Any specifics about your request increases the chance that I do it.
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>>2874152
fair enough on all fronts, but there was still a certain power dynamic and hierarchy. as for showing fondness, becoming agitated upon their defeat and growing vengeful... that tells us nothing, really. examined in context it makes sense no matter which one of us is right, because they were the last of their kind. as for Kars wanting to rule alongside them.. he offered his entire race the opportunity. does this mean he would be open to them running a train on him? kek. you're also forgetting that Kars forsook Wham's honor at the very end, even before becoming unhinged. sure, he showed tranquil fury, but I doubt that changed his morality and outlook. Esidisi was his buddy, I'm just not sure they were butt buddies, and if they were, Kars would've topped by virtue of being the older man (yes i know they're very long lived but Kars was presumably a grown adult before Esidisi was even born, and likely coached him in his youth), and therefore it seems likelier to me that they had an eromenos type of situation, with Esidisi being the receiver. it would be a nice nod to the ancient world. I also think it's hotter when Kars tops people because of his samsonian hairstyle, it makes him look like a conquering barbarian
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>>2874173
very simple format, really. guy who is about to get penetrated has a panel where s/he talks shit, and in the bottom panel s/he gets put in a mating press (basically missionary from the rear view, with adder exaggeration like the receiver being legs up and the penetrator leaning in for the sake of breeding. it could start with Kars saying something arrogant and vain about this little harmless shota boy, and then you-know-what the bottom panel
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>>2874174
Anon, I love ya, I do, but please post gay porn. Only man tits are allowed on this board, though I do love that pic and saved it. I just don't want you temp banned and discussion ruined or the thread derailed.

>there was still a certain power dynamic and hierarchy
True. That is why I like Kars bottoming as more of a private intimate thing when it's depicted, because it's a subversion of their hierarchy, that or him being worshipped and pleasured. I'm down with top Kars, too.

>becoming agitated upon their defeat and growing vengeful... that tells us nothing, really.
I disagree. I don't think a character has to voice their feelings outright in order to show they care, I actually enjoy it more when a lot of it is implied and shown in actions and reactions rather than narrated. To me it was obvious that he cared, and it's hard for me to understand how others don't see it.

>he offered his entire race the opportunity. does this mean he would be open to them running a train on him?
lol No, but when only one person in your whole species cares about you and is willing to stand with you against everyone, that is pretty deep, whether it's a bromance or a romance. If his people hadn't turned on him, maybe he would have had other options and maybe they wouldn't seem as close. We just don't know.

>Kars forsook Wham's honor at the very end
This is another misunderstanding of their dynamic. Just as Kars respected the will of Esidisi and Whamu, he himself had his own will that they surely respected as well. It was never implied that any of them held each other to the same moral code or code of conduct.

There's no reason why Kars would have to behave in accordance with Whamu's code in order to respect Whamu. Instead, Kars adopted the code of his own enemies, JoJo and Lisa Lisa. They were the ones who brought lies and cheating into things. Always hold your enemy to their own standards, or else they will have the advantage.
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>>2874174
>Esidisi was his buddy, I'm just not sure they were butt buddies,
Fair enough, but such is the nature of the vast majority of shipping. lol If we only shipped paring that were confirmed canon, we would not have much to post here, would we?

>and if they were, Kars would've topped by virtue of being the older man (yes i know they're very long lived but Kars was presumably a grown adult before Esidisi was even born, and likely coached him in his youth), and therefore it seems likelier to me that they had an eromenos type of situation, with Esidisi being the receiver.

I knew Kars was the oldest despite their looks, but I never thought they were that far apart. We don't really know the rate at which Pillar Kids develop, so we don't know if the age gap would have been considered significant in their species. We also don't actually know what the norms were for their race when it comes to relationship dynamics and social expectations and taboos regarding sex, so it's all left up to us fans to play with and make up headcanons about. None of us are right or wrong when it comes to headcanon. I think your idea about their dynamic due to age difference is a very interesting angle that is terribly under serviced, though. I'll be thinking on that.

>I also think it's hotter when Kars tops people because of his samsonian hairstyle, it makes him look like a conquering barbarian
That is also a fun thought.

I read a really good fic today where Ultimate Kars crashes back to Earth and is found by Esidisi who is reincarnated as a human. There's two sex scenes, and while one is Kars letting Esidisi fuck him, he lords his status over him with dirty talk the whole time, and then there was the best Kars topping sex scene I ever read that came next. I think up until today I'd never seen anyone handle Kars topping Esidisi well enough. I definitely like it more after that fic. I'll have to draw some.
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>>2874176
I like the format, but Shota Dio topping Kars.... I just can't lol I love Kars too much. Also I'm pretty iffy about shota and loli. I don't consider it unless puberty is already in efect and they are with someone in their own age group. Don't like stepping beyond that, personally.
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>>2874182
>I like Kars bottoming as more of a private intimate thing
because everyone has sex outdoors? not trying to be a dick here, I just don't know what you were thinking here.
>I don't think a character has to voice their feelings outright in order to show they care
that's true, but I stand by him seeing them as a means to an end, despite being fond of them and seeing them (somewhat) as peers.
>when only one person in your whole species cares about you and is willing to stand with you against everyone, that is pretty deep
yes, Kars treasured Esidisi, but how does this warrant Esidisi, his underling, topping him ever? it's not that i necessarily disapprove of the gimmick, I just think it's illogical and it messes with my immersion... you know how it goes.
>If we only shipped paring that were confirmed canon, we would not have much to post here
that's fair, but for me it has to feel... feasible. i can't get off to Jonathan fucking Dio, for example, because of how unlikely it is.
>We don't really know the rate at which Pillar Kids develop
Wamuu was a grown man thousands of years ago, I reckon they reach full maturity before they've even a hundred years old but that's headcanon. my point is that.. typically in ancient homosexual relationships the older man is the top. I do wish we could see more of an eromenos style relationship with Esidis in fanart and fanfic... sigh... maybe I'm just a bohemian perv.
> Kars letting Esidisi fuck him
my issue with this is... "why?". as in, why would Kars do that? even with context it just seems too OOC to me, and feels like someone with Kars's form rather than Kars himself.
>Kars topping sex scene
hell yeah! link that fanfic please. sounds.. interesting.
I apologize if I'm not doing a good job of addressing your points, I'm rather exhausted a this time.
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a principled man, in /y/? did you get lost on your way to /a/, friend? I jest, of course. I respect that, brah.
I'd settle for PB Dio doing the deed though, heh... but, and i hope i don't seem needy here, I've always wanted to see the BLACKED thing with the negroes behind the white girl.. but with the Pillar Men standing behind DIO. if you're up for it, i'd really appreciate it...
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>>2874194
>because everyone has sex outdoors? not trying to be a dick here, I just don't know what you were thinking here
LMFAO Fanworks can get pretty wild, ok? I mean they wouldn't show that dynamic in front of anyone even in a non sexual way, or acknowledge it, as though it were taboo. That's my headcanon.
>that's true, but I stand by him seeing them as a means to an end, despite being fond of them and seeing them (somewhat) as peers.
And for my part I just can't understand why anyone would assume such.
>yes, Kars treasured Esidisi, but how does this warrant Esidisi, his underling, topping him ever? it's not that i necessarily disapprove of the gimmick, I just think it's illogical and it messes with my immersion... you know how it goes.
I understand. Differing headcanons. For me when I read fics where Kars is needlessly cruel or sociopathic, it breaks my immersion, even though it comes down to Battle Tendancy being too damn short, and the lines we're left to read between are far too few. Me, I see where he was coming from and feel for him and don't think he's evil like some do, and I'm a sucker for misunderstood misanthropes. lol
>that's fair, but for me it has to feel... feasible. i can't get off to Jonathan fucking Dio, for example, because of how unlikely it is.
Same. Sometimes with really good art I can turn off my brain and just get off to it like I don't know who they are, but that is not preferable. I find Esidisi and Kars a pretty feasible pairing, but I understand why you could only see it if Kars tops. Ultimately too much is left up to our imaginations about how they interact for us to have a good basis for consensus.
>my issue with this is... "why?". as in, why would Kars do that? even with context it just seems too OOC to me, and feels like someone with Kars's form rather than Kars himself.
I guess since so little is established, I'm easily influenced by good content in that vein that already exists, including fics where it's built up to.
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>>2874194
Hit the character limit.

Here's a link to that fic. It's long, and there's quite a bit of fluff and feels, albeit completely justified, especially when the plot comes together in a later chapter, so if you think Kars is being too soft at some points, well, he thinks so, too, there's a reason, and character development... I don't want to spoil it, though, cuz this writer is pretty damn good IMO.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/14983742/chapters/34725566

The Kars topping Esidisi happens in chapter 7 if the fluff proves to be too much for you.

Once it gets going, though, you get ultimate Kars monster sex and Esidisi being a little bit masochistic. I need more of that badly.
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>>2874194
Oh, also I just realized I forgot to ask you what the age gap between Kars and Esidisi is, if you know. I had never given it too much thought before, and am just not a numbers person or a person with a good grasp of time.

Damn, I really can't find any decent quality art of Kars topping Esidisi. i will have to set this right when I have more time.
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>>2874211
the gap is not terribly large but still large enough to where Kars definitely knew shota Esidisi, which makes the relationship with Esidisi as top disgusting to me. Imagine letting some guy, whom you knew when he was a baby, an infant, a little kid, a pubescent child, a teenager and eventually a young man, mount you like a horny dog just because you're fond of him and he had your back. oh, and he works for you. that's what you're proposing.
If i'm not mistaken the ages go:
>Kars: 102,000 years old
>Esidisi: 92,000 years old
>Wamuu: 12,000 years old
not sure about Santana. Wamuu's age is the takeaway here. 12,000 years is a considerable amount of time even for a pillar man, considering I wouldn't exactly call Wham a young man by his race's standards by the looks of things. Wamuu was a literal infant/baby when the massacre happened, and he grew into full adulthood within those years. I don't know... If Esidisi and Kars were the same age then by all means, just fuck up the power dynamics as they pertain to tops and bottom- but this here's... just weird. Wamuu was also a grown man before the pillar men hibernated, which means Kars was a grown man of 10,000 years when Esi was born.
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>>2874222
Hm, fair point. Time has so little meaning to me that I can just shrug it off, personally, but I get why some people would be more put off by that.

In the few fanfics that I read that attempted to flesh out their backstory, they ether went off a weird rate of aging to justify depicting them as the equivalent of someone in their late teens and someone in their twenties, or else didn't have them meet until Esidisi was a well established adult, though admittedly I think that's even harder to buy, given how small their race was in numbers. I think going off looks it's really hard to process the age gap, since Esidisi looks older in comparison even though he's not, what with his severe features.

I have to imagine the age difference would have been a bigger deal back when they were still just Pillar Men without the masks. I think maybe after being immortals long enough, and free from social constraints, it might have mattered less, but now that you point it out, I agree it would be weird earlier in their history.

Nice job finding a bottom Esidisi that looks decent!

Esidisi is so under appreciated in general.
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>>2874233
>Time has so little meaning to me that I can just shrug it off
well pardon me, Nyarlathotep
>after being immortals long enough, and free from social constraints, it might have mattered less,
I disagree, to an extent. Kars would still have known Esidisi as a young child. they also haven't been immortals for very long. they've been immortal for a comparatively remote fraction of their lifespans. it's plain as day, it's because Kars is the more feminine of the two that people ship them with Esi as the top, you know this to be true... search your feelings...
>Nice job finding a bottom Esidisi that looks decent!
trust me, it wasn't easy. I don't know why people can't fathom him being a bottom. Is it because he's the most masculine of the pillar men?
>Esidisi is so under appreciated in general.
personally I think he's the least attractive pillar man with the most unappealing powerset but i suppose that's relative
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i guess partly what bothers me is also that in most Esikars fanart Kars is being completely and utterly dominated by Esidisi, or they appear as equals, as opposed to him being a power bottom. you know, IN CONTROL OF WHO GETS IN HIS ASS? I swear this shit breaks my immersion worse than Shadman's stuff
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>>2874236
>well pardon me, Nyarlathotep
lmfao No no, I just have a profoundly poor concept of time. It's hard for me to even describe how bad it is. lol

>Kars would still have known Esidisi as a young child. they also haven't been immortals for very long. they've been immortal for a comparatively remote fraction of their lifespans. it's plain as day, it's because Kars is the more feminine of the two that people ship them with Esi as the top
Oh, I definitely think Kars' androgynous beauty plays a big role, too. That's just a given to the point where I didn't even think it was worth mentioning. Femininity is inherently submissive, so it's only natural for a person's subconscious to factor that in.

Hmmm... was it really such a short part of their lives that they were immortal? I hadn't realized that. Coming back to my trouble with time and numbers, there. Though another thing I wonder about is how their very limited population and extremely low birth rate factors in to how they view age when it comes to social hierarchy and sexuality. I mean, how many people in their own age groups did they even have to choose from, come to think of it? I mean, Whamu and Santana may have been the only two children that even existed at the time of the massacre, or else why would they choose only those two?

As an aside, the more I think about it, the more I feel for Kars wanting to free his people from languishing under ground. What a pathetic culture despite all their superior potential.
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>Oh, I definitely think Kars' androgynous beauty plays a big role, too
truth be told i think it's the only factor, and everything else is just excuses
>was it really such a short part of their lives that they were immortal?
Kars's been immortal for one tenth of his life at most
>how they view age when it comes to social hierarchy and sexuality.
it's not the age that's the problem. with just 10,000 years of age you're already a grown man and have been for some time. the crux here is the homosexual notion between the younger and the older. the older is always the top, to be the bottom is... degrading. forget social standing, I doubt Kars would let himself be taken just like that, by someone who isn't... well, Kars himself, in private or not. that's not getting into the impossibility of privacy with their enhanced senses... Wamuu would've heard the thumping and moans, that's all i'm sayin'. and Wamuu's view of femininity is quite clear considering what he told Lisa Lisa. with this is mind I doubt the pillar men had a particularly favorable view of the passive role in sexual relationships of the same sex. it's my conjecture but i think it adds up compared to cumbrain "yea they had SEX and it was HOT because they are HOT and LIKE each other" . again, immersion FTW.
>Whamu and Santana may have been the only two children
this is correct, that's why they were spared. they could be indoctrinated and molded.
>What a pathetic culture despite all their superior potential
to be fair they opposed Kars because he was messing with the ecosystem all by himself, now imagine if they ALL turned into mask pillar men. trying to kill him was unnecessary though, they could've just exiled him or whatever.
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and to add to that last part, if siding with Kars that one time is all I need to do to eventually fuck his ass every once in a while I so would join him, since that's apparently all that's required to fuck someone in the ass, right?
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>>2874236
>I don't know why people can't fathom him being a bottom. Is it because he's the most masculine of the pillar men?
I think so, and also that he's just not that popular to begin with. Also, his wild personality and tentacles make him fun as a top.

>personally I think he's the least attractive pillar man with the most unappealing powerset but i suppose that's relative
Funny enough, I found him relatively unattractive at first but he grew on me. Now he might even supplant Kars as my favorite. But I have a weakness for characters with a sense of humor, bad guys who are actually pretty nice, spooky aesthetics, kinky aesthetics, tentacles (though the fact they are veins took some getting used to, ngl), and his incredible loyalty makes him unarguably the actual best boi of Battle Tendancy, IMO. Oh, and the animations they gave him in the fighting games factored in... I also like how menacing his face is.

I think that's part of what I like about him and Kars as a pairing, too... how much they contrast with each other in every conceivable way.

>>2874237
Yeah, I see what you mean. I guess with art I just imagine a scenario to justify the image. When it comes to fanfics, I prefer the ones where Kars is very much like a cat in his temperament, being very finicky and aloof about affection until he himself is the one demanding it, and Esidisi, while being the outgoing one, is just stuck dealing with that and giving Kars what he wants and wanting to please him. That's the context in which I like it.

There was one where Kars and Esidisi earlier in their companionship got so drunk that all Kars desires that he was denying and suppressing came pouring out and Esidisi was more than happy to worshipfully fuck him silly, and the fic is basically Esidisi remembering this afterwards and walking on eggshells trying to get Kars to even acknowledge it because Kars is so proud and so horrified to have behaved in such a manner. Stuff like that can be pretty fun.
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did it ever occur to y'all that people pick positions based on what feels good to them? y'all are making a fucking philosophy debate over sex positions.
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>>2874247
>makes him unarguably the actual best boi of Battle Tendancy
don't sleep on Santana... they treated him like a damn dog and he was still loyal...
>how much they contrast with each other in every conceivable way.
well, that doesn't mean they have to be banging.. heh. but i agree, i like the idea of contrast.
>Esidisi was more than happy to worshipfully fuck him silly,
see that's what i hate. Kars being a cock thirsty attention seeking slut and Esidisi being a giga chad who can fuck him silly. there goes the femininity of Kars again, i hate that stereotype that twinks can't be tops if their partner is more masculine.
>Stuff like that can be pretty fun.
FUN? in MY taiwanese yaoi suck and fuck imageboard??? i'll have you know yaoi is serious business.
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>>2874248
>he doesn't understand sexual dynamics
ngmi. bet you've never had loving sex with a man
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>>2874245
>truth be told i think it's the only factor, and everything else is just excuses
Maybe for some people, but not for me. I much prefer to overthink everything, which is why I am talking to you right now, this is fun, getting a different perspective.
>the crux here is the homosexual notion between the younger and the older. the older is always the top, to be the bottom is... degrading.
I'm a bi woman with a bi boyfriend. As a woman I'm going to not completely understand the male perspective or gay perspective, but my bf also doesn't seem to factor in age as a primary decider for him, ether, so maybe it's a gay subculture thing that we are both outside of. That said, I kind of enjoy the idea of Kars wanting it bad enough that he'd degrade himself for it. I like kink, and I like conflicted characters. I kind of like the rare fics where Kars is embarrassed that he bottomed or where he's telling Esidisi how grateful he should be etc. lol But like I said, Esidisi bottoming is hot, too, and he doesn't seem like someone who would be as bothered. But yeah, I prefer it to be more complicated and thought out than just 'hot guys have sex because hot'.

>that's not getting into the impossibility of privacy with their enhanced senses... Wamuu would've heard the thumping and moans, that's all i'm sayin'. and Wamuu's view of femininity is quite clear considering what he told Lisa Lisa.
Well, there are surely times when he is away, or when he was still a baby. I don't really picture Kars as just giving it to Esidisi whenever he wants it. Quite the opposite. Which would then make it a bigger deal if and when it does happen, which makes for more tension and such. Forbiden fruit and all that.

>I doubt the pillar men had a particularly favorable view of the passive role in sexual relationships of the same sex.
It is very good analysis which I enjoyed and will take into consideration whenever I draw them or write them.
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>>2874246
>if siding with Kars that one time is all I need to do to eventually fuck his ass every once in a while I so would join him, since that's apparently all that's required to fuck someone in the ass, right?
It's no small thing, though. He ended up having to help kill his entire race, and eventually died for Kars. Would you pay that price for some ass? Now, this IS Kars' ass we are talking about, so, if the answer is yes, understandable.

>>2874248
I think it's different for different people, desu. Culture I'm sure also plays a role. And yes, yes we will write an entire philosophy book on the sexual dynamics of fictional characters. The porn of true intellectuals.

>>2874249
I felt for Santana big time, but we didn't really get to know him or what transpired. Technically Kars was the only one who disparaged him, and then urged the others to just forget about him, we didn't get any insight into what the others thought or why Kars was so dismissive compared to his affection for Wham. Also, Santana did nothing wrong, fuck JoJo.

>well, that doesn't mean they have to be banging
Oh, I know, but that doesn't matter. We make and enjoy of it what we want to.

>see that's what i hate. Kars being a cock thirsty attention seeking slut and Esidisi being a giga chad who can fuck him silly.
Well, not quite like that... I like the desperation of Esidisi and Kars ultimately being the one in control of the relationship.

>i hate that stereotype that twinks can't be tops if their partner is more masculine.
Understandable. I don't think it's always that way, ether. Sadly I think there are biological underpinnings to why people have that bias. Nature is not fair. I don't like the limitations being female imposes upon me, yet have come to the conclusion that the feminists are wrong. Such is life. We must find the one who fits us and our idiosyncrasies, rather than expect reality to reshape around us to suit us.
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>>2874259
please stop taking up so much fucking room with your talking, exchange emails or get a discord or something. you're not even posting porn anymore
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>>2874272
Why are you wasting image count on screen caps? Sorry that I had two whole posts where I ran out of porn, but I've been posting a lot of porn and I contribute original content, see the following: >>2873356
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What do you contribute? This thread was dead for days. Make yourself useful or fuck off.
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the point of the screenshot was to make it clear it to you that you managed to write enough bullshit that 4chan couldn't even display it. stop making me scroll past it, i don't wanna hide the entire jojo thread just so i don't have to see your absurd walls of text

and what do you mean "dead for days"? fucking lurk moar newfag, threads on a board this slow can last for months if not over a year, so just because there hasn't been a post in days doesn't mean it suddenly becomes your personal little discussion forum. fuck off to discord or /a/ or literally anywhere else
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>>2874288
Maybe people like you are the reason /y is such shit anymore? It used to be a hell of a lot less dead, actual newfag.
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>>2874196
I'll give that a try sometime soon
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>>2874253
>completely understand the male perspective or gay perspective
you're right about that. this goes beyond just trusting someone. unless you're some promiscuous fuckboy, getting penetrated is a show of complete submission, even on a primal sense, just look at buck breaking. for a man, this has some real weight. you wouldn't know, since you have a vagina, and as such you can only be penetrated as far as sexual organs are concerned.
>Kars wanting it bad enough that he'd degrade himself for it.
lol, then have him bottom for humans so he doesn't lose face with his companions. i know for a fact, and from experience, that the dynamic changes after you sodomize someone.
>Forbiden fruit and all that.
yes but why does he want that fruit? Kars didn't seem like a thirsty gay bottom to me, and then we go back to immersion.
>>2874259
>Would you pay that price for some ass?
if they stagnated and outright attacked the one guy who thinks differently, yes. and it's Kars... just hot damn
>He ended up having to help kill his entire race, and eventually died for Kars.
just goes to show even he knew he was expendable.
>The porn of true intellectuals.
i couldn't agree more. it's refreshing to talk about it in depth like this, thank you.
>I like the desperation of Esidisi and Kars ultimately being the one in control of the relationship.
if Esidisi fucks him silly this goes right out the window. you say it's not executed like this, but in literally every single fanart posted ITT wherein Kars is bottoming he takes the completely feminine route and Esidisi is both the top and the dom, sometimes even raping Kars by the looks of things
>I don't like the limitations being female imposes upon me, yet have come to the conclusion that the feminists are wrong.
interesting. can you elaborate on this?
btw, thoughts on Kars x Dio? I think it's one of the hottest ships and it's hotter if Dio is top because it makes me feel good about being a human being. I know Kars would top but still.
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>>2874459
>unless you're some promiscuous fuckboy, getting penetrated is a show of complete submission, even on a primal sense
I see. How does the dynamic work in relationships where both men have penetrated each other? What is the relationship dynamic like in relationships where only one had done the penetrating? Are there gay couples who prefer to abstain from penetrative sex all together? How does oral factor in?

>just look at buck breaking
I don't know what that is, but it sounds kinky

>i know for a fact, and from experience, that the dynamic changes after you sodomize someone.
I see! This is what I need insight into, as I think nearly all fan creations of the Pillar Men are done by fujoshi who are accidentally writing Kars as a woman with a dick despite the fact that we do see him as a man.

>if they stagnated and outright attacked the one guy who thinks differently, yes. and it's Kars... just hot damn
Same. Esidisi did the right thing IMO, but I don't imagine it was easy. As an aside, would you bottom for Kars? It's irrelevant but I'm just curious.

>just goes to show even he knew he was expendable.
I disagree. I don't think you give him enough credit just because you don't find him attractive. lol

>thank you
Same, and you, too.

>(regarding your opinion on fujoshi Esikars porn)
Women are the sexual selectors of the species, and as such we use sex for power whether we realize it or not. The desire of our partner effects our status within the relationship regardless of what goes on in bed. As such, we have accidentally projected that onto male characters. This has been eye opening. As to rape, nah, I've never seen any that looked rapey to me. I don't think fujoshi see Esidisi that way at all, unless it's Pillar Men x Human stuff sometimes.
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>>2874459
regarding how I see myself and my opinion on feminism, the character limit is getting in the way of explaining. As to wanting to feel good about being human... I could write you an essay... I think we need to become friends outside of 4chan. What do you think?

>btw, thoughts on Kars x Dio? I think it's one of the hottest ships...
Personally, Dio is the sort of villain I love to hate. He's great, but not someone I would value or sympathize with, unlike Kars. Kars I find much more understandable and noble, I think. I'm still stuck in Stardust Crusaders, however, which I am not enjoying much, so I don't know if Dio eventually gets character development that will change my disdain for him. As such, for me, I only like surface level porn of Kars putting Dio in his place. lol I also am enjoying the Jorge Joestar depiction of Kars even though it's pretty nuts. His peacock fight with Dio is great, and his monologues flexing on the other villains were priceless. 10/10 Would worship as our rightful god of Earth.
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>>2874557
>both men have penetrated each other?
they.. don't really stay that way. one of them always ends up taking the helm. the simple fact is that sexual relationships are naturally between men and women, and this is ingrained into our psyches (unfortunately), so one of the two will naturally gravitate towards being the bottom/sub.
>Are there gay couples who prefer to abstain from penetrative sex all together?
I don't know. I doubt it. It sounds shallow but sex is very important to a relationship. it's the greatest form of physical bonding and it can't be replaced by anything else. when you... finish inside someone, you feel like you own them, in a caring sort of way.
>How does oral factor in?
not a replacement for anal sex whatsoever. the sucker is submissive, too.
buck breaking is the fictitious and fetishistic notion that white slaveowners anally raped their uppity black slaves to "break" them into submission.
>would you bottom for Kars?
every fibre of my being wants to say no, but I would. especially if I'm a vampire or a fellow pillar man. if i were a vampire i would just surrender myself if Kars wants to take me, and hope that he grows fond of me.
>I don't think you give him enough credit just because you don't find him attractive.
you didn't have to expose me like that brah...
>I don't think fujoshi see Esidisi that way at all,
oh please. women have rape fantasies.
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>>2874558
>I think we need to become friends outside of 4chan
I'd rather not. I don't do that. It's not personal.
>Kars I find much more understandable and noble
I don't know about noble, but he was definitely commendable in many ways. a truly great man, in my opinion he didn't really do anything wrong, since he tended to react rather than act, which is unusual for villains.
>I only like surface level porn of Kars putting Dio in his place
heh, yeah, it's nice when a bigger and badder villain puts a lesser one in his place, and in porn you can go crazy with the control/domination aspect. there's also the fact that vampires and pillar men have really odd bodies so you can go to town with body manipulation.
>Jorge Joestar
the crackhead novel with the 36 versions of Kars? man that must be heaven
>Would worship as our rightful god of Earth.
there is only one God in this world. I know, not something you'd expect a homo like me to say
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>>2874562
I don't mean revealing our identities to each other, just chatting on a platform where we have usernames but it's easier to converse.

Even just Hentai Foundry would probably do, I'm TesX there. I need to go add new art anyhow, as soon as I retrieve my password.
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>>2874564
>Hentai Foundry
jesus, anon. i'm trying to keep my homosexual leanings on the down low, and making a HF account is the worst way of doing that!
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>>2874568
oh, ok. lmao I can't get back into my account anyhow. Their password reset system isn't working.

Are you opposed to discord? Like I said, I won't pry into your IRL identity.

(I always feel guilty about Whamu porn, but damn if it isn't still hot, and I'm out of everything else)
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>>2874569
>Are you opposed to discord?
I don't have a discord, and given how I'm not a MAP I don't think I'll be making one anytime soon. kidding aside, it's just not my thing, playah. but look on the bright side, we may run into each other again, in another JoJo thread once this one 404's!
>I always feel guilty about Whamu porn
why is that? he's a handsome lad! and he almost always gets topped by Kars in fanart, that's a plus in my book. Personally I'd like to see more Kars x Santana as an eromenos situation. I'm kind of obsessed with Kars having an eromenos (maybe I want to be his eromenos)
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>>2874571
Darn. Yeah, sadly scum like that get into positions of power throughout society. It is too useful a platform for me to quit.

Well, if you ever want to get in touch, you might be able to hunt me down through the name TesX, as I intend to use it on multiple platforms for erotic works. I will be starting an account on Ao3 eventually here to post a fanfic you might find a bit more immersive. It's still going to be pairing Kars with Esidisi, but Kars will be top. You've been a big help. I have a lot of ideas now, and want to do a backstory fic about Kars meeting Esidisi and what their lives might have been like leading up to the massacre. This time with accurate age difference and social dynamics.

It is a shame, though, I like talking to you, and I'm a pretty big introvert, so I usually only like talking to people I'm arguing with in a comment section and am not very social otherwise.

As to Whamu and Santana, I guess it's just that Kars and Esidisi raised him from such a young age. If they had different parent figures in their lives and Kars and Esidisi were only their mentors, I wouldn't feel so conflicted. lol I kind of get the concept and appeal of eromenos relationships, as long as they are not too young, I'll probably do more research and play with that concept at some point.

>I'm kind of obsessed with Kars having an eromenos (maybe I want to be his eromenos)
I definitely get that. Amongst female fans there's a popular trope of Pillar Man X Reader fics where the reader is the servant, slave, or pet. lol My theory is that we have a biological need for the security of hierarchy, which has become far too deconstructed and depersonalized in modern life. I love the Japanese concept of Senpai and Kohai in every day life. But now we live in a world where relationships have no meaning, everyone's status is to be treated the same outside of business contracts, and no one has any sense of responsibility to anyone else. A very lonely world.
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>>2874459
Since we can't go elsewhere...

>interesting. can you elaborate on this?
I grew up embracing the feminist message that other than surface level, men and women are the same in all meaningful ways, and can do the same things. I wanted to believe that, being a tom boy with disproportionately masculine personality traits. But I can identify even within myself biological urges and limitations that make my abilities and experiences different from men, and have had to come to terms with that.

I also grew up believing the constructionist zeitgeist that dismantling social norms and restructuring society will free us from gender constraints and make us equal. However, that has not held up to scrutiny, and scientific studies have long since debunked most constructionist claims. This is, of course, why the academics who supported such a theory now seek to undermine academia at every level and dismantle the scientific process it's self.

I also despise the feminist's attack on masculinity and stoicism. Feminism will bring about a gynocentric social order in which the worst aspects of femininity become dominant, such as excessive sentimentality and valuing subjective feelings over seeking objective facts. It will be the downfall of Western civilization. I believe most of the West is already well into the process. Sorry that got political, but it's unavoidable in relation to how I see myself in relation to external forces such as feminism.
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>>2874561
>regarding dom/sub dynamics being biologically ingrained
Makes sense.

>when you... finish inside someone, you feel like you own them, in a caring sort of way.
I wish I could experience that first hand. Maybe in another life. This was something expressed in the narration of that one sex scene where Kars tops Esidisi, btw. I really love that.

>buck breaking is the fictitious and fetishistic notion that white slaveowners anally raped their uppity black slaves to "break" them into submission.
Yikes. lol But would be hot in a purely fictional scenario with the right characters...

>every fibre of my being wants to say no, but I would. especially if I'm a vampire or a fellow pillar man. if i were a vampire i would just surrender myself if Kars wants to take me, and hope that he grows fond of me.
Honestly, who could blame you? I would serve them in a heartbeat even as a human. It's not like they eat most people, and they seem meritocratic.

>you didn't have to expose me like that brah...
Ha! I'll sell you on him in my fic, just you wait and see.

>oh please. women have rape fantasies.
Oh, I would never deny that, I'm super into it. But in the fics and doujinshi, Esidisi is always ether in love with Kars or his fuck buddy. The only rapey Esidisi I usually see is Esidisi x Reader, and even that isn't terribly common, as in the anime, manga, and fighting game, he's depicted as pretty friendly and respectful and not intentionally cruel. Only exception was when he and the others laughed at Caesar for being cliché about his friend's death. So him being rapey seems really OOC.
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>>2874562
>I don't know about noble, but he was definitely commendable in many ways. a truly great man
The only time I found him ignoble was when he said the ends justify the means, though I found the sentiment pretty understandable in his circumstance. Up until the death of Whamu, he had actually been very honorable and respectful. Like I said, it was Joseph and Lisa Lisa who established the 'ends justify the means' dynamic by lying and cheating themselves.

> in my opinion he didn't really do anything wrong, since he tended to react rather than act, which is unusual for villains.
Same. I see him as the true protagonist. When they awakened and saw that there were only a few poorly trained hamon users, they didn't even want to bother fighting them. The only thing 'wrong' would be the impact of the vampires on humanity and Kars wanting to rule over humanity. But as someone who believes in meritocracy and is unimpressed with human leadership, I would be interested in seeing a world ruled by Kars, since he damn well earned it. I wish his companions got to see him become the Ultimate Lifeform.

>you can go crazy with the control/domination aspect. there's also the fact that vampires and pillar men have really odd bodies so you can go to town with body manipulation.
Exactly! So under rated! I don't know why more people don't play with that.

>there is only one God in this world. I know, not something you'd expect a homo like me to say
Well, that one god was never felt in my life, so I'd love to worship one a bit more... corporeal. lol My spiritual beliefs tend more towards animism and the occult, so boy did Battle Tendency scratch my itch.
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Link to full doujin https://myreadingmanga.info/a-domani-zakiko-dangai-part-1-jojo-dj-eng/
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>>2874586
>I would serve them in a heartbeat even as a human.
let's not get ahead of ourselves here... i need a reason to serve them...
>I'll sell you on him in my fic
I just don't like the guy. simple as.
>Esidisi is always ether in love with Kars or his fuck buddy.
Esidisi usually has a smiley face and Kars in contrast has an ahegao. this bothers me. Kars has such a beautiful smile.
>it was Joseph and Lisa Lisa who established the 'ends justify the means' dynamic by lying and cheating themselves.
Given how much Kars stood to lose, and had already lost by then, can you actually call his actions ignoble? perhaps, but they were justified
>The only thing 'wrong' would be the impact of the vampires on humanity and Kars wanting to rule over humanity
the pillar men add another conflict to the reasoning we use to exalt ourselves over animals because not only are they stronger than we are, but they're outright higher on the food chain even considering the tools we've developed.
>that one god was never felt in my life,
that's unfortunate. not for everybody I surmise. You either get it or you don't, in the vast majority of cases.
all in all, Kars is an underrated character who almost never gets delved into by JoJo "fans" outside of the most surface level lukewarm milquetoast interpretations of his depth
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shut the fuck up and post porn
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>>2874860
holy shit shut the fuck up
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>>2874942
don't read the words lmao. pics are being posted. you're getting mad over nothing
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>>2874955
Can you and your little gay accessory get the fuck out? Seriously this is why women get so much shit in these parts, you're all so fucking arrogant and smug. Nobody cares about what you think and the anon already told you extensively they don't care about talking to you again.
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>>2874958
>you're not allowed to talk in my gay porn imageboard
nigga just scroll past my posts like nigga close your eyes
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>>2874958
Bruh, that wasn't me. People conversing doesn't stop you from getting porn. Maybe orhers here just aren't as entitled as you.
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>>2874960
Just ignore that armchair janitor. There's no rule against posting text. If it weren't allowed the option wouldn't exist. All that matters is that on topic porn is being posted.
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why do jojo threads always devolve into f*moid autism
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>>2874973
just ignore the multiple people telling you your behavior is unwelcome in their public space. continue droning about your personal sexual theories about how bottoming makes you feel submissive, everyone is fucking fascinated to hear it.
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>>2875005
>letting someone put his dick in your ass and go to town on you isn't a show of primal submission and embracing the female gender role
absolutely delusional virgin
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>>2875005
>their
>public space

anon, the public space is for all of us, and there's no proof that there's multiple complainers and not just one looser who finds scrolling without reading difficult.

I have to imagine something one of us said hit a nerve. lol
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>>2875016
holy fuck shut up no one cares about your weird self-hating bullshit
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>>2875016
there is no female role when two men are having sex, fucking fujo
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>>2875022
the one being penetrated is always, without fail, the woman in the relationship.
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>>2875026
get out fujo
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>>2874860
>Esidisi usually has a smiley face and Kars in contrast has an ahegao. this bothers me. Kars has such a beautiful smile.
Well, to be fair, Kars sticks his tongue out a lot and gives a lot of bedroom eyes in canon, and Esidisi usually is smiling no matter what is going on in canon, so I think that's part of where these depictions come from. I understand how frustrating it is when you don't see Kars that way though. lol I'll have some smiling top Kars for you eventually here.

>Given how much Kars stood to lose, and had already lost by then, can you actually call his actions ignoble? perhaps, but they were justified
Agreed. I think I just don't agree with the general sentiment that the ends justify the means, but damn if it's not understandable in his situation.

>the pillar men add another conflict to the reasoning we use to exalt ourselves over animals because not only are they stronger than we are, but they're outright higher on the food chain even considering the tools we've developed.
Yep. It's basically The Thucydides Trap, but on a species level. It's understandable that the humans would see them as an existential threat, though at the same time it's tragic as it's not like the Pillar Men didn't exist first and have as much right to advance themselves as humans.

It seems to me like the Pillar Men were a great metaphor for radical individualism in the face of collectivism; Kars and Esidisi sacrificing their collectivist people because their people did not respect their individual right to seek self improvement, even if they'd share it with their people. I think this is why Kars has disdain for humanity despite humanity's accomplishments, because humanity embraced the advancements the few made, unlike the pillar people, but rather than individual strength, value humanity collectively. They make an interesting contrast like that. I wish Battle Tendency had involved WWII more deeply given that. Could have been interesting.
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>>2874860
>that's unfortunate. not for everybody I surmise. You either get it or you don't, in the vast majority of cases.
Oh it's ok. The way I see it, if god exists and does not make it's self known to me, then that is because I am not meant to know and have a different purpose. I'm still spiritual in my way and feel no void in my heart.

>all in all, Kars is an underrated character who almost never gets delved into by JoJo "fans" outside of the most surface level lukewarm milquetoast interpretations of his depth
Agreed! I hope I can help change that. I'm open to any further observations or requests you have.

Oh hey, have you seen this doujin before?
You would probably like it.
https://hentaifox.com/gallery/49012/
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how the fuck are you still talking, go chat on ao3 with the other fujos
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>>2875016
that tit is WAY too far down
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Any Avdol?
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>>2875016
you straight up just posted a woman, that is against the rules of the board. no tits
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>>2875124
Cuntboy maybe? should be in /d this is a dicks only thread also reply with porn or get the fuck out faggot
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>>2875200
If it's got big tits and a pussy then it can hardly qualify as a "boy" anon, don't be dense now, that's just a genderbent.
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>>2875338
STOP FUCKING REPLYING WITH TEXT YOU DUMB SHIT HEAD POST AN IMAGE WITH IT
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>>2874607
this artist is a pedo groomer, don't support him.
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>>2875387
>STOP FUCKING REPLYING WITH TEXT YOU DUMB SHIT HEAD POST AN IMAGE WITH IT

not that person but.. why? It's not a rule, dont be an aspie
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>>2876164
Probably the same turbotard who was freaking out about people talking even when they were posting porn. Honestly I'm happy to piss them off, maybe they'll leave.
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>>2874558
Dio-sama would top all of the pillar men, especially Kars.





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