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Read any good BL recently? Drop your recs and read along here!

Recs:
>https://controlc.com/31d22afd
>https://pinboard.in/u:yrecs (NEEDS UPDATING - see below for details)

BL Licensers and How to Request from Them:
>https://controlc.com/780c7828

Tiermakers:
>https://tiermaker.com/user/579020

Bonus questions:
>Why do you read BL over other substitutes? What aspects of it do you most enjoy?

Previous thread >>2870560
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Please reply to this post to ask for things to be added OR REMOVED from the rec list.
>anime, VNs, fan doujin, and academic works about BL are allowed too

***NEEDED: Volunteers to update the Pinboard
>Pastebin banned us. We are using controlc now, but help to update the Pinboard (which can't be banned as easily) is still needed
How to post to and edit the Pinboard:
>https://notes.pinboard.in/u:yrecs/notes/f1e5bb2ba91dd9d863ce

NEW HERE? Check out our curated rec chart!
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Added:
>Kichiku Neko - In These Words [Detective, Psychological, Serial Killer][http://www.guiltpleasure.com/]
>Kuroi Tsumuji - Boku-tachi wa Mada Aoku [Slice of Life, High School, Romance][https://manhuascan.com/read-boku-tachi-wa-mada-aoku-chapter-1.html]

No Removals.

Misc:
>Mangadex is currently down. The majority of links in the Rec List point to Mangadex, so for now, you'll have to use Tachiyomi or copy the title and look it up elsewhere.
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Mangadex is up but not very functional
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post abuse or straights getting ravaged
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>, or if it's just getting late and you don't want to wait, go ahead and Copy/Paste my OP pos
No thanks, people are just going to derail the thread because the OP isn't you.
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Hah, this was fun.
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Anyway post more big dicks.
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>>2873368
What is this?
>>2873294
It's in beta.
>>2873339
You know that other anons have made threads without being sussed out, right? It's no big deal.
>people are just going to derail the thread
So report them for off topic. This is the BL Discussion Thread, not a thread for arguing about who made it. They'll run out of steam eventually anyway.
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>>2873399
>>2873339
Not that anon but it's better to have one person to do it, both to avoid doubles/derailment/missing intro parts but also because they keep track of pastebin discussion etc. It doesn't have to be the same anon all the time but I'd prefer one designated OP.
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>>2873400
Why is this thread so autistic
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>>2873408
A lot of newfag from twitter worshiping personalities
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>>2873417
>personalities
What personality? As I said, other anons have made threads without being sussed out.
>>2873400
You can't really designate an OP when everyone is anon. I'm shutting up now though, don't want to derail further and prove you right.
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>>2873417
Not a newfag and I don't use twitter, I just like order so autism is probably a closer bet.
>>2873422
Frankly if it works and threads maintain the structure and continuity then I don't care, I just think it's much easier to do with one role. I'm also shutting up now, let's have more BL.
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>>2873399
Kajou Mousou Shounen

Weirdo loner ( straight ) student can imagine stuff so hard he can feel and taste it. Uses it during class thinking of the pretty girls in class, and other popular male student starts to notice. Its a bit sociopathic, blackmaily
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>>2873502
Oof, hit submit early.

-dubconny start but it gets better
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>>2873279
I just genuinely like Japanese culture so I like when it shows in BL. The context-specific customs, the way characters avoid conflict and try to be considerate and find good in others, the way interactions are sometimes shy or awkward and it's not presented as a bad thing etc. Even relatively dark Jap BL usually have a kind of innocence and even naivete to them, so it's rarely too heavy to read, and the really heavy ones are capable of nuance beyond shock value. Well, not all of them but many. Also most manga don't strive to be realistic and that's a good thing, it's easy to find some escapist fun not another daily remainder that society sucks. I do get bored sometimes and enjoy the more confrontative and straightforward style of Chinese or Korean BL, but in the end I always come back. Plus Japan has the least censorship so that's also nice. As to western BL, I believe good ones must exist, but even after reading some recs from the dedicated thread I still didn't like any of it. Most of it are webcomics and they drag on for years, so it's hard to just get one complete recent volume, it's always 'sub to patreon to see sex scenes, deal with ads on the rest, and if you want a pdf volume shell out 30$ for it and wait 3 years for another'.
One bonus reason is that because I read moon I can enjoy the absolute delight that Japanese sex vocab and onomatopoeia are.
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When did /y/ start to have a demographic shift towards bitter muscle fans? Or when they became more vocal?

https://boards.fireden.net/y/thread/2398896/

I'm looking at this thread and it's like a whole lost civilization there, back in 2017. I was on the site back then, but only on some blue boards.
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Rec me some wholesome smut, preferably body types like Junai Dropout but less kinky. Basically romance but they fuck a lot
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>>2873570
Try authors like Yuitsu and Nitako if you haven't already, maybe Usui Iroha and P point as well.
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>>2873577
>Yuitsu
>Manga about a boy who just wants headpats

If that ain't a mood
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>>2873577
Ugh, nitako only has Chinese translations
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>>2873581
She has two english projects on MRM. I only read Amattare and it was very cute.
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Good for them
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>>2873503
Saying "dubcon" should be a bannable offence
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>>2873595
How bout dubcunny owo. Its pretty lame tho.
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>>2873570
You want Charles Comics's more muscle oriented stuff, maybe some Kinniku Otoko stuff. Look up Shishi ni Hire by Shogo Kishima, Nakayoshi Wanko by Matsumoto Inaki, Even Just the Tip by Tojitsuki Hajime. There's more where those come from too.
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>>2873568
Once they decided that "Bara" is definitely not yaoi or BL in any way, and much more realistic.
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>>2873595
What, makes you uncomfy to acknowledge you get off to rape?
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>>2873649
>>>/twitter/
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>>2873595
Never understood why people call it that instead of just saying rape
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>>2873719
Because rape is too harsh sounding and people don't like to acknowledge they get off to rape with all it's letters and implications, makes them look bad and all that.
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Whats with all this beta/alpha/omega stuff in bl? Im seeing it pop up everywhere and ive never seen this in anything else
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>>2873738
You can blame the superwholock fandom for that one, also the nips being turbo autistic about rigid sex roles and weirdly fixated with self lubricant asses.
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>>2873742
What. Do nips even watch those
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>>2873649
>uncomfy
Speak human. It's either rape or it's not rape, there no in-between
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>>2873770
rape dosent sound cute tho. cant we come up with something nicer sounding?
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>>2873426
Please tell me the raws are available anon
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>>2873595
>>2873719
It's just a way to describe 'rape where the other person enjoys it after all', which with Jap porn culture of saying 'no' as 'no, it makes me feel so good, I'm losing composure and I'm shy about that' instead of 'no, stop' is kinda useful. That and stuff like starting sex with a sleeping person that later doesn't object, being possessed or what not. Sure, by normal standards it's all rape but for describing fictional stories it's useful.
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>>2873748
ABO was popularized in the superwholock fandom but spread to all fandoms from there and japan eventually caught wind of it and jumped on it hard for reasons already mentioned
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why is everyone on 4chan allergic to the concept of consent
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>>2873807
Ask the Japanese, it's a thread for mostly their BL.
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>>2873595
>>2873595
>dubcon
Isn't dubcon used for situations wre it's not rape but it may be iffy like the uke is reluctant and shit?
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>>2873791
They're not but I'm gonna share for ya. Just don't put them anywhere else bc a) got them from a friend b) they're scaled up aka imperfect
https://gofile.io/d/QfMXMJ
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Everything’s rape unless they use these https://youtube.com/watch?v=eneUvVqHd1w or do something like the “I consent to this” video agreement thing from Amazon’s Upload (episode 2).
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>>2873845
Don't worry, I know one BL which has real consent just for these people, it has the couple sign a written formal agreement specifying their intercourse in detail. It might be the only truly consensual manga!
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>>2873849
kek.
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>>2873810
Bottom is mostly always reluctant in japanese porn of any kind. And how do you imagine working it with cartoon people? It's rape and "dubcon" unless they do this >>2873849 and discuss attending pride together?
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Rape absolutely needs flavor versions, the tag exists not as a legality but as a search modifier. Labelling every time the word no was used as rape would be like changing every hair color tag to "dyed hair". Some people want blue hair, someone want a reluctant uke, some want no holes barred wwe smackdowns.

Yeah getting sites or communities to agree would be a nightmare tho. We need a standard comittee to put shit out like they do with emotes
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>Me be vanillafag
I don't get you guys
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>>2873868
>discuss attending pride together
Has this ever happened in a BL manga (besides Until I Meet My Husband)? Genuine question.
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>>2873921
Uke saying n-no, or n-no it's dirty just because he's reluctant still doesn't make it rape. It means it's japanese
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>>2873928
Sure, agreed. But fetishes are weird and precise and some people want rape with good ends and some want bad ends. A tag is useless if it dosent narrow it down to want you want or exclude what you want.
You can have 3 stories under a doujin labelled "rape, romance". One has the lead with rape as backstory thats function is to cause drama with the current partner who has nothing to do with the prior rape. Ones stockholm syndrome where the rapee falls for the rapist. Ones where the rape is played straight and the rapee never falls for the rapist.

All the same two tags. Dubcon narrows that to "falls for rapist". Dumb sound or not, it functional.
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>>2873931
There's no such thing as dubcon, the tag doesn't even exist on either of the existing sites that host BL
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>>2873279
i don’t know what counts as substitutes but i enjoy narrative BL like webnovels and visual novels since they strike a nice balance between world building, character development, and smut. for stuff like sweet pool the R18 scenes are integral to the plot, it’s why i like eroge in general (fate/stay night, etc.) GL/BG webnovels and VNs do the same, but i’ve been reading BL more since i like seeing how all the guys bounce off and interact with each other in their dynamics, and i like hearing my fave voice actors
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Futekiya has a dubcon tag but no noncon tag. It's like they're using that grey area to make the rape comics seem more palatable?
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>>2873936
I think they just don't publish hard rape or at least I haven't seen any from them. Do they have anything like that?
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>>2873934
What are you talking about? Most manga sites with BL have dub-con tags: MRM, Mangago, Futekiya and even Bakaupdates all use them.
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>>2873927
Not BL but Ariyoshi Kyoko has a manga called Applause and there’s a chapter where the characters go to a pride parade in San Francisco.
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>>2873942
Thanks anon, but I specifically mean BL. Come to think of it, I don't even thin UIMMH qualifies, since it wasn't even published in a BL magazine.
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>>2873582
yeah, they look nice. but there was one anthology with a cop on the front that looked hot, no english
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>>2873742
Supernatural fans will not be seeing heaven for that.
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>>2873921
yeah, there's definite variations on how you can portray it, like maybe they don't explicitly say "no" but they don't seem into it or eventually get into it vs. violent assault where the bottom is crying and feels degraded. if i'm reading bl - especially porn - i almost never want the latter because it feels too real. it's also useful for group sex stuff since most of it tends to be tagged as "gangrape" when that feels maybe too strong.
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>>2873605
thanks! any specific recs from those publishers?
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>>2873554
>The context-specific customs, the way characters avoid conflict and try to be considerate and find good in others, the way interactions are sometimes shy or awkward and it's not presented as a bad thing etc. Even relatively dark Jap BL usually have a kind of innocence and even naivete to them, so it's rarely too heavy to read, and the really heavy ones are capable of nuance beyond shock value.
Holy shit, you managed to put my thoughts into articulate words. This.
When I was a kid I'd read old Christian children's stories and wish there were gay versions but I never found any.
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>>2873961
Charles Mag is a magazine and the rest in that post are specific recs of manga that ran in it.
>>2873965
Oh, glad to find someone with similar outlook! Manga can be interesting in how many of Japanese values overlap with Christian ones without any religion being noticably involved. I sure would read Christian BL if the church ever got over gayhating.
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lol this was sudden. Also is it just me or some parts are confusing? Maybe it's the translation?
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Can moon anons give us a translation of the last 2 chapters
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>>2873984
I read that it's done by a professional translator, but the action part sometimes confuse me. I guess it's mostly because I can't imagine how the mecha ships look in the novel?
If you think this is sudden, I do wonder what you'll think about certain events in one of the volumes
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>>2873940
MRM tags rape as rape, dubcon isn't a thing so there's no tags for that
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>>2873936
Because twitter fujos will never admit they get off to actual rape since it's problematic
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>>2873992
mrm tags per request and they do have a couple works tagged as such
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>>2873839
Thank you so much anon! These two idiots just made my day.
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I'm already learning moon but since I own a couple of BL volumes in japanese, I was wondering what anons use to mtl/translate the raws? Especially if it's a physical edition
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>>2873983
ahh thanks
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>>2873985
Not full translation, just summary as before but:
5: We get to meet Rui's 'modern' gang, turns out he has a team that makes fan-made VR games for profit, runs 'men's esthetictian' salon (a trendy kind of prostitution kinda like 'massage parlors' or a personal spa with sex involved), pachinko parlor, apparel brand and a club. They all badger him into saying he's on their side and then Rui reveals that apparently Rin's Kokuou branch is breaking the family rules by dealing shabu/meth and that's where their high profits come from. He asks Shiota to infiltrate Kokuou and find proof.
6: Rin's subordinate says they convinced another gang in the family to back them, so they'd have 60% support. They also have a guest, Shiota. Shiota tries to strike a conversation and asks about the sword Rin's polishing. Rin is proud of it but says Rui has identical one and uses it as a hanger. Shiota asks what Kokuou does and Rin lists all the classic yakuza stuff like 'protection fees', money loaning and laundering etc. Shiota doesn't know how to aproach him to get the proof he needs, but wants to try because if Rin turned out to be dealing with drugs, he'd get kicked out of the gang and save him from making the hard choice. Then subordinates bring in a member that tried not only to get out of the Rin's gang but join Rui's instead. Rin decapitates him for breaking the 'ideals'. He then asks whish side Shiota is on and Shiota's forced to say Rui's. Then Rin tells Shiota that Rui's gang deals shabu/meth and asks him to find the proof, basically making him a double spy.
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>>2874000
A dictionary, you won't learn shit from MTL. Dictionary takes much longer but you'll learn how to take apart sentences and how style works plus with BL you get sex vocab and slang that MTL would garble up without you even knowing. For digitals OCR can sometimes help at first, but with paperbacks it's better to slowly enjoy them as you practice, I used to scribble furigana with a pencil before. If you want to read you need to struggle with it first, no one's learnt kanji just from workbooks and flashcards.
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>>2873839
aaah i missed it...mind reuploading it sweet anon?
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>>2873993
Oh hell. What about writing it so that the dude getting raped says something racist first? Would that check off their pre-schlick justification box?
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>>2874006
Not that guy but is machine translation of japanese improving at all?
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>>2874011
Yes
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>>2874011
It can now more or less reliably translate set phrases and most cliche dialogue to their most common english substitutes and the english grammar is usually correct. That said, it has no sense of style, emotion, rythm, doesn't care that some set phrases have contextual difference in meaning, doesn't get jokes, doesn't get anything context-reliant in general, improvises on stuff it doesn't get (badly) and loses about 20% of the input text so you never know what's missing until you go line by line. It's still shit, wouldn't even use it for reading on my own if I couldn't read moon because it ruins any fun of the original.
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>>2874015
But considering that most of the English BL is MTL and I don't even mean fan translations. Most of Renta manga is MTL. You either miraculous learn japanese in one day or stay away from manga for years until you master it, in order to enjoy the manga properly
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>>2874017
*Bl in English
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>>2873770
>there no in-between
Poor little bastard, you've missed out on a lot. Explains how you could make this post >>2873595 unironically though.
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>>2874019
Go cry on twitter about fake yaoi cartoon rape, retard
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>>2874017
Depends on a project, there are still a lot of good BL being translated by people. Sublime and Seven Seas are perfectly fine. From what I've seen Futekiya's translations are meh but according to subbed anon they are made by (underpaid and who knows if qualified but) people. Renta is absolute shit, it's cheaper to buy the Jap version and mtl yourself if you want to read a castrated version of it. It's worth a boycott not acceptance if you're getting shit in english, esp if you're expected to pay for it. Also if you honestly like manga or anything Japanese it's worth to start learning moon, even if it takes you a while. Maybe by the time the translation standards hit rock bottom you won't have to care.
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>>2874019
You get off to rape and stupid japanese porn cliches, congrats on finding that out.
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>>2874021
Aren't you the retard crying about fake cartoon rape?
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>>2874025
No, because I admit I like rape in fiction, as in actual rape. You seem to have issues admitting that yourself
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>>2874024
And you're stupid.
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>>2874026
Right, you can't like more than one thing.
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>>2874026
Mond control, hypnosis, shota. All non consenting participants. Should these be rape tags instead?
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>>2873593
>They just strangled a guy
Killing Stalking old and busted

By the way if you're gonna have pointless arguments you might as well post some BL caps while you do it
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>>2874007
Here: https://gofile.io/d/aDZoZn
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>>2874034
BIG THANKS
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>>2874000
DeepL
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>>2874017
I've seen people getting pissed at Renta scans being uploaded elsewhere. Some are really willing to pay for MTL
>>2874031
If those characters are indeed getting raped then yes it should have a rape tag. If they aren't, then there's no need for anything of that sort. Is this autism?
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>>2874078
>If those characters are indeed falling in love then yes it should have a romance tag. If they aren't, then there's no need for anything of that sort.
Even without being autistic you should be able to understand why ^ is stupid, anon.
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>>2874078
All sex with shotas is rape. Non-consent.
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>>2874078
Most of those people are kids and normies that have no idea that they use mtl or don't know what's so wrong with it. They see renta bemoan boohoo piracy and they just believe it.
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>>2873992
>MRM
>dubcon isn't a thing
What are you smoking, probably 1/3 of doujins I randomly click on there would qualify.
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>>2874102
Hes wrong, but he means the tag. Theres like 40 english doujins with the dubcon tag. I only found it existed like 3 days ago. Which also leads into the question of is there a tag list i missed on mrr?
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>>2874104
Oh. Then yeah, its tag system is bare bones compared to AO3 or even sadpanda.
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>>2874102
Which sites are you using, I didn't find shit on MRM and exhentai, Japan also has no tag like that. Just because a new western social media trend makes you think the characters and situations should be treated like real humans, it doesn't mean it's true
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>>2874082
The fuck is going on in this thread?
Then any age gap manga where the characters aren't of age is rape too, actually make it all manga set in school, especially if the teacher is involved. And if the couple consists of a subordinate and his boss, it's rape/dubcon too because there's a power imbalance at work. Stop treating the characters as real people
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>>2874122
Anon, you're agreeing with the anon you replied to. He was pointing out that according to the earlier anon's logic you'd have to slap the tag on anything with a shota in it, which would be dumb.
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>>2874121
Anon, what are you talking about? How is not being able to find things on MRM a good thing? Why would I want to tag real humans? Why would I be looking for doujins about real humans? Maybe social media users do that but I don't.
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>>2874122
Confused puriteens or those influenced by said puriteens found /y/? This place wasn’t this black and white autismal five years ago.
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WEW. found this last night, wild. i wish this was an actual ongoing story instead of a oneshot. skip the RAAAAAPE if you must, just get to the end, itll take you 15 mins tops. then read the user comments about the mirror.
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>>2874128
Except he seems to be complaining about an anti-puriteen post.
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>>2873770
I'm being facetious you retarded animal.
Well, obviously that wording made you uncomfy and rustled your jimmies.
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>>2874081
Man, why tag anything at all?
I mean, you got two eyeballs and you can see they're having sex, why even tag it as NSFW or R18? Why even add the covers too? Or the title?
Ugh, people are not retarded they'll eventually realize what it's all about once they start reading it!
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>>2874130
>mha
Found the 13 year old
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>>2874147
hows your day been, anon
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>>2874160
Well pretty great, I'm in my first year of uni and I've been acing all my exams after years of doing absolutely nothing besides trying to kill myself. All this time I thought therapy was a meme but hey, it turns out I also had to put in the effort you know? I feel more alive than ever before.
But enough about me, how are you? How many more quirks did Deku got on the latest ark?
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>>2874175
Decent, lol. I literally packed up everything and moved to a different state without telling anyone like a month ago, so if i mute my phone its physically impossible to bother me and if i blocked all the numbers no one would be able to find me. its the nicest feeling.
As for boku hero, wouldn't know, don't watch anime lol. if "quirks" are superpowers and you can get more, sounds like power creep. but the doujin was great. seriously, can you name anything else that has huffing paint thinner as a subject?
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>>2874126
>they don't tag "real humans"
To be fair, with the amount of furshit on that site, maybe they should.
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>>2874122
>The fuck is going on in this thread?
Dumb anons replying to bait and misreading sarcasm as genuine while everyone else rolls their eyes and waits for it to be over.
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>>2874130
OK. Your post mentioning paint thinner got me to try this one, and I have thoughts. I've never read MHA, I find the concept and main character's design deeply unappealing. That said, I actually get why you posted this. The art is odd in a very good way. It reminds me a little of Inutoki and Shohei's old work, maybe a little of Zakk with the unusual paneling and heavy use of contrast. The twist was good, could be read in several ways. I chose to interpret it as he was never Deku at all, he was really just some chuunibyo who got high with his harsh yankii friend and imagined it all. I didn't like the rape, but not because I clutched my pearls at it. It just came out out of nowhere and felt like it was only there to be edgy. If the art wasn't so interesting, I probably would have gotten bored at the rape bit. I also liked that the mean friend wasn't the rapist, that somehow felt different. I would read a sequel, especially if it just stopped being fan doujin and dove into the main character's shitty chuuni life. Hopefully the artist will move on to original work someday. We don't have enough characters who are complete wrecks and failures.
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>>2874141
Shut the fuck up subhuman, ironic shitposting is still shitposting
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>>2874208
Yep, the rape coulda been completely cut, and it should focus on whatever the hells happening. One of the comments has a cool theory that the reflection in the mirror looks like early concept art of the deku guy and might somehow represent early versions of characters who "dont exist" as the heros because their story never happened and their "kids become awesome heros" future just disintegrating. Or you could go with hes outright delusional and his whole fantasy was just that, delusions. But id absolutely read whatever direction the author might of taken it. Watching them both spiral FAST into a bad end would be a lot of fun.

Hes got another one thats obviously an earlier work where the deku kid trys to save someone drowning and both just die and the story cutting short and it focusing on everyone dealing with it. Not as good but another neat direction.

The smutt was passable imo because of the art but im an edgy little shit who discovered this just browsing everything with the tags "rape, drama". This and
>>2873368
are the only good ones, maybe check that one out. Imma check those artists you mentioned out
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There's a huge difference between rape and dubcon. Dubcon means the character is still decent enough not to go all the way and hurt his lover but it's still a sign of a non natural relationship that caters to women. At the end of the day the line has not been crossed and it's something you can forgive. And yes, japanese porno is dubcon. A "no" is a "no".

With rape it's different, rape is disgusting and something unacceptable. Would you really support a couple like that? After the line is crossed there's no going back, the relationship will never ever be healthy. Only someone as equally disgusting would support couples like that. If someone finds that appealing you should rethink having that person in your life, something that is liked in fiction may soon be liked in the reality.

Rape and dunbcon are different and I suggest you to pay more attention to tagging, futekiya does a good job at that.
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A suggestion: when you are recommending work in this thread you should specify the level of consent to be expected
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>>2874226
Page from the earlier work for art style comparison
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>>2874208
This looks like an American comic book
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>>2874234
Why? If someone's interested they can ask. I care about the characters' virginity but I don't expect everyone to cater to me by including that information in every rec post.
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>>2874226
Canis. Read it. The Speaker is the best part and the edgiest, but read the whole thing.
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>>2874239
I don't read those, so I'll take your word for it.
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>>2874231
If this is parody/bait it's pretty well done. If not then, well, holy shit.
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>>2874239
Thankfully it’s not.
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>>2874142
>post dumps on not using the right tags
>replies with sarcastic rant about "Man, why tag anything at all?"
Is your brain melted? Is that why you can't remember more than one tag?
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If there was one tag AO3 did right, its 'Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings'
Every book should have this slapped right on the front page.
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>>2874294
I don't expect tags to be warnings unless they're labeled as warnings. I just want to be able to find shit catering to my specific tastes without having to click through hundreds of things that bore me. AO3's free for all tagging system isn't perfect but it's the best I know of.
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>Trying to find bara commissioners in skeb
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>>2874291
Yet dubcon and rape are different things and you can't admit that we need a dubcon warning!
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>>2874302
Who was talking about warnings or what (you) need? Your friend was claiming dubcon and rape shoule be the same tag so don't try flipping it now.
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>>2874303
Nice try samefag, so you're backtracking from your statement that dubcon is not a thing?
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New Niyama tanko is out today
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>>2874312
How nice of you to reply to yourself for me! Exactly what I was going to say (again).
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>>2874323
Shame the story was so nothing
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You anons know there's already a rape thread? >>2860449
Also, I don't care about the topic you're discussing but your argument has gotten circular and isn't fun to read any more. Please consider dropping it for now, there really isn't anywhere else for it to go at this point other than grammarfaggotry.
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Okujima is a fucking work horse
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>>2874342
How many projects is he working on at the same time?
>>2874333
>>2874312
Fuck off retards
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>>2874078
do the authors featured on Renta get a decent profit share or is it better to just buy direct/use their patreon or whatever
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>>2874186
>huffing paint thinner
i fucking hate bnha and this sounds like a great use of its characters
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>>2874339
And? This is a general.
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>>2874347
It's ALWAYS better to buy raws. Translated digital profit gets split between two publishers, the conditions differ depending on contract but always the additional step means less profit for the author and most of it is always lost on the MTL operators and their bosses. I've heard from Jap friend that Jap digitals return bigger share to the mangaka than paperbacks but I don't have any solid source. Apart from that it's good to follow the mangaka on social media, many publishers boast twitter likes/follows as a manga sales point so mangaka can get better contract for the popularity.
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Has anyone written a letter to their favorite manga author? Did you write it in japanese or simple English sentences? I read that japanese fans do that often
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>>2874342
The devil works hard, but Okujima works harder
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>>2874355
Maybe this thread should put together a letter for Okujima, seeing as he's arguably the most beloved along with Azuma Kaya. Would moon anons translate that?

I'm some of us would write these letters but don't trust machine translation
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>>2874355
People spammed the tomoko neet artist with dick pics and she said they were the first ones she had seen and how freaked out she was. /v/ and /b/ predictably were pleased. But thats not really a letter letter
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>>2874344
Ongoing:
>Bathing Yankees
>2gether
>Clean Dishes
>various doujinshi
>this new one
On hiatus:
>Eight Princes
>Assistant Assassin?
>Kishi Knight? (now doujinshi, may be over)
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>>2874362
I'm pretty sure most of the BL artists have never seen a dick either, but I doubt that would make them happy
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>>2874361
What would we ever write?
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>>2873279
>hentai is infested with ugly obese dudes
>otome porn fucking sucks
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>>2874375
ask them their opinion on dubcon
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>>2874375
Helo mr.Okrajima
I liek ur comix they r v good n make my pee pee hard. I liek wen da boyz fite n wen dey kiss it givs me tingles in ma tummy. U r v gud mangortist evn tho ur bald.
Thank u n ur welcumm
Wif luv frum Anon
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Boy meets maria. Pretty average but decent. Basically boy raised as girl gender confusion. Edgy childhood RAAAAPE as drama for the current scenario
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>>2874383
Add this >>2874379
I don't think that his manga is fully con
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>>2874386
His own ones are PG so far but he mostly works with other writers. What they write, he draws. His few sex drawings always seemed pretty consensual but I would be interested to know what his own preference is though. Maybe it could be worded like
>What does Okujima-sensei think of dubcon and rape in BL manga? Many fujoshi and fudanshi like it but many others do not, so I was wondering what sensei thinks.
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>>2874391
>Hello, what do you think about rape
You should ask him if he tried it too, since we are trying to create a letter only an insane person would send
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>>2874396
Pls anon, he seems like a friendly handjob while deep kissing kind of guy
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>>2874399
While awake?
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>>2874383
this is dumb normie, not 4chan brand autistic. I think
>>2874391
is on point, polite and considers itself friendly while being completely inappropriate and awkward as fuck
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>>2874403
Hint: Both posts are by the same person, and neither was a serious suggestion.
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>>2874401
It would be more of a
>they slept cuddled up in the same bed
>woke up with boners poking each other just before sunrise
>never spoke of it again afterwards but their friends thought they seemed to have somehow gotten closer
type of situation.
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Recs for brother incest? Don't care if they're blood related or just step brothers. Also, is the average jp fujo as icky with incest as westerners are? I can't imagine they care too much.
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>>2874407
Most Japanese fujos just don't read tropes or pairings they don't like, but if you read the reviews on CMOA and ebookjapan then you'll see that a lot of them don't like it and post crying emojis when something turns out to be incest. They just don't seem to think of it as a moral failing of the mangaka's that the they would dare to publish such a thing. But their version of cancel culture is very different, they'll cancel someone over surprise riba or an unexpected top/bottom configuration instead.
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>>2874407
Japanese fujos give no fucks because they know they aren't real, BL wise they're autistic only about switching
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>>2874408
To be fair of there's no incest in the summary and the author uses it as a dramatic twist only, then I'd be upset too. And I'm okay with all forms of fictional degeneracy
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>>2874391
Anon..
>>2874396
I lol'd
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>>2874409
They're autistic about content warnings too. If the content is not listed in the blurb or in the obi around the tanko in huge letters, someone will get outraged. Even if something rough is warned, you'll get the "I bought it because I like the mangaka but the content is too much!! I wanted romantic, sensei should only draw sweet romance! One star" reviews on review sites. You folks think westerners are hardcore about content warnings, but the Japanese fujos are on another level. To be fair, they're less likely to frame something as a moral issue or as affecting any reality beyond their own enjoyment when it comes to original BL at least, but they are even more entitled and demanding with the things they like. And their ratings are ruthless.
>>2874410
That's fair, but would you leave a bad review if your fave fluff mangaka wrote a rape manga and the obi warned you about that before you read it? Japanese fujos would.
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>>2874383
>>2874391
>>2874396
Perfect but add
>ps. is sensei seme or uke??? NO RIBA asking for a fwend uwu
That should be enough to convince him that BL is the worst genre on the planet and gaijin are literally the spawn of gay satan
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>>2874221
Whatever sissy, go cry about tags back to fucking Reddit.
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>>2874424
Yeah, but these are fringe cases if the warning's there. Sure, there are reviews like that on cmoa, amazon etc but they're rarely more than two or three per title. Most are at least smart enough to read description or chilchil. Surprise incest/switching/heavy topics do get readers mad quite often though.
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>>2874383
>>2874391
>>2874396
>>2874426
I put your cancerous letter into Google Translate. May god have mercy on your souls.
>へろさん大倉島
>私は彼らが私のおしっこを硬くしてくれます。私はキスをして、お腹がチクチクと震えます。あなたはハゲでさえ、非常に気まぐれなマンゴーティストです。
>あと、奥島先生はBL漫画でのダブコンやレイプをどう思ってるの?好きなふじょうしやふだんしも多いが、そうでない人も多いので、先生はどう思っているのだろうと思いました。また、あなたはそれを試してみましたか
>ありがとうございます
>ルーヴ・フラム・アノンと
>psセンセイセメかウケですか??? NO RIBA 友達募集中 uwu
Made me laugh but please don't send him this shit ever. I'm begging you, don't let the autism convince you that part would be funny.
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>>2874384
Didn't the author drop dead?
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>>2874407
Try these:

Onii-chan Datte Amaetai Wake de (pic)
Kajitsu
Sora o Daite Oyasumi
Ani No Chuukoku
Deichuu no Hasu
Bokura ni Namae wo Tsukerunara
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>>2874433
I'm pretty sure the permanent schizo residents of this general are insane enough to send this
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>>2874433
>'You're so kind to make my pee harden. I kiss you and it makes my stomach feel prickly. You are bald, however you are an extremely capricious mangotist.'
I'm crying
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>>2874433
>don't send him this shit ever.
Bitch, don't tell me what to do.
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>>2874435
Thanks anon! I bought the tanko for Ani no Chuukoku, wish they showed the smut. I'll check these out!
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>>2874436
Jesus Christ. I wrote two of the "suggestions" when I was joking around earlier, but I guess it has to be said.
Anons who want to thank Okujima for real, just send him something like
>Awesome art! Thanks for the great manga, I love it!
in English once the first volume of Akamatsu Seven comes out. It doesn't need to be a letter-from-anon thing and even if you didn't buy it, it won't look fishy. He probably doesn't know what 4chan is, and it's in everyone's best interests if he never finds out. Don't show your power level. Keep it short and simple.
>>2874439
Anon pls. If you must inflict this on a mangaka then send it to someone who sucks instead.
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>>2874438
Holy shit please translate the rest
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>>2874439
ANON NO
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>>2874442
Lol send it to Manda Ringo
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>>2874443
The rest is unnatural and kinda awkward but not nearly as funny because the input text was less garbled. It also changed ' NO RIBA asking for a fwend' to 'I'm recruiting NO RIBA friends'
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>>2874444
>>2874442
I'll link straight to this thread too.
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>>2874448
Sweet.
OKUJIMA-SENSEI, IF YOU SEE THIS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND. It was a joke but one man took it too far. Please forgive your weird gaijin fans. OTL OTL OTL
We love your art and have been your fans for a very long time. We are all cheering for you! Please let more of your manga be translated!
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>>2874434
oof if true
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>>2874434
>>2874451
Yes, PEYO died too young after finishing their debut comic. It is unclear how they died.
Rest in peace, PEYO. Also, Habuyama Hebiko and Inutoki.
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>>2874445
Do you have her address? Asking just in case
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>>2874453
Well now I'm sad. I hope the BL gods bless all the BL mangakas with health and a very long life. Especially
>Azuma Kaya
>Takahashi Hidebu
>Hiromasa Okujima
>SHOOWA
>Zakk
>Haiki
>CTK
And my less popular favorites too.
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>>2874457
Add harada too
I think she may be one of the most talented modern bl storytellers and can pretty much offer anything: dark stories about the cycle of abuse, meaningless sex, dark sex comedies, tragedy and hopeful stories that don't get carried by romance, switch couples etc.
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I remember one anon posting the letters they received from their favorite author but I can't remember who was the author
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I'm not an abusefag but the third volume of Sneaky Red was very good. It's pure kink now rather than DV or real violence. I still like the one about the one-armed fuckboy more but this volume is almost as good as that manga.
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>>2874469
Is it worth subscribing to futekiya again? Seeing the stuff they're going to license next kills any motivation
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>>2874470
*subscribing for this manga
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>>2874470
For Sneaky Red it depends how much you like abuse since the first two volumes are pretty much that. As for futekiya in general it depends on how much of their back catalogue you've already read I think. Subbing for only one manga is OK because you get a lot more for the six dollars than other places but I'd caution against it if you don't think you'd be interested in much of what they have. I really like my sub, catching up with a chapter or two a day is fun and they've had some things I liked recently, but only you know your finances and how badly you want to read certain titles. Happy to answer if you're wondering about any title in particular.
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Last time, anons made some good summaries of the panels. Any anons attending this time?
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>>2874475
I'm signed up but I'm working during most of it. Hoping to at least be able to catch Scarlet Beriko
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By the way whatever happened to fromRED? Are they still around or did they already fold?

>>2874476
Good luck anon! Hope you make it to that one.
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>>2874477
>fromRed
Never mind, they seem to be doing fine. https://shu-cream.com/fromred/
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>>2874469
This one was good
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>>2874469
Whats the one armed fuckboy one? Im still looking for cripple/quadfues
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>>2874453
>Hebiko Habuyama
I miss Inutoki and Peyo had so much potential, but this one hurts the most for me. Life is precious, fragile and unfair. Treasure your favorite mangakas while they're still around, anons.
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>>2874488
Perfect Fit. It's good shit, and it's complete on futekiya already.
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>>2874490
>paying for gay
Iunno, that seems to be crossing a line there. Cant no homo a credit card bill after all
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>>2874366
>Eight Princes
I know it’s off topic but I hope this one comes back again. It’s extremely funny. I often wondered how much of Dousei Yankee’s humor could be attributed to Shoowa vs. Okujima but after reading this it’s a lot clearer, the jokes really scratched the same itch. Also pic related is a major fag for the MC
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>>2874407
Monster of memory VN. There is also a manga but only v1 and 3 have raws.
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>>2874432
>>2874424
Why are the so autistic about switching compared to the west? For all our fallings, people don't need to put warning on their twitter if one day decide to write Naruto railing Sasuke instead of the other way around.
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Any recommended artbooks by BL mangakas with cool art?
Nakamura Asumiko's 20th anniversery book looks good.
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>>2874595
Maybe it's as reality-shattering and "disgusting" a "kink" to them as scat is to many of us? I can't imagine a life that bland. I think a bunch of JP artist Twitter artist fujos have blocked me as a follower for having GeGo (geto × gojo from jujutsu kaisen) on my retweets when they put "GoGe only fixed, GeGo" on their profiles. Mildly annoying but mostly hilarious.
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>>2874598
There should have been a red X emoji and a knife after GeGo in my quoted text. 4chan took it out heh.
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>>2874596
She doesn't exactly count as a BL artist, but I have a couple of Hagio Moto ones and they are excellent. I also have one of Shoowa's with a typo on the cover, haven't checked it in a while but I think it has a lot of little bonus comics as well as drawings. Might even be mostly comics.
I'd say look up your favourite artists and see if they have one. There are anthology art books too featuring several different mangaka.
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>>2874599
I'd recommend deleting this post, it's not like the first isn't fully readable as it is. Best to not show if you're new here, newfags traditionally get dunked on until they fit in.
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>>2874595
1. Japan is a very conservative country when it comes to gender roles.
2. Most ukes are vacuous female self-inserts. This is also why most uke don’t even do ANYTHING during sex.
Riba kinda shatters that vicarious aspect when the reader is reminded that, yes, this guy has a dick and he actually likes using it.

Some bl like Kimi no Sumire do subvert this though.
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>>2874455
If you ever want to send her some fan mail, her website has a contact form. Trusting you to show the appropriate level of respect, of course.
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>>2874596
Man, Kii Kanna’s art is so pretty
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>>2874342
A bit more info:
>it's a oneshot
>title is "軍服さん 吸血鬼の恋"
>means something like "Dress Uniform Vampire Love"
He did a short twitter comic a while ago about a gay vampire and a human who live together. I wonder if this is the same vampire? He does look similar, though the other vampire was more naked.
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>>2874603
But I’ve been on this site since 2009.
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>>2874610
I went looking for his older vampire comic, and it's much longer than I thought it was. It's pages 10 to 29 of his doujinshi The Back of the Island,(pic related) but you can also find it on Twitter and out of order on his pixiv. I'd recommend buying The Back of the Island though, I enjoyed it immensely. There's a link to Booth pinned on his twitter.
The vampire in his new oneshot may be the same character, but this seems like it'll be a new story. Okujima truly is the gift that keeps giving!
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>>2874616
>here for over a decade
>posting about their twitter bio
>only just learned that emojis don't work
Truly, wonders never cease. Have a good day anon. Nice pic by the way.
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>二十歳過ぎれば俺のモノ
Nonda's art is cute and I like yandere. Ch1 is free to read on nihonbungeisha

>>2874603
I had no issue with OP's post but yours embarrassed me
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>>2874620
This is the first time I’ve tried to post an emoji anon, it’s a cardinal sin. I was merely demonstrating idiocy of anti-reverse fujos. Alas, I revealed my own folly in the process. Honda-san a cute.
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>>2874627
I wish I knew what doujin that was.
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>>2874626
>not gatekeeping and accepting literal twitter posts
You're the problem, it's one of the few places where you can discuss bl without mentally ill twitterfags
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>>2874626
Her manga are dumb as shit but the art is indeed cute, they're fun to read just for it.
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Half the year is almost up. Has there actually been any good BL published so far?
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>>2874506
Sorry, bud. If you're posting on /y/, it's too late
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>>2874661
Slow year, but is anyone surprised considering the diseased garbage fire the world is right now? Especially Japan who seem to be giving 0 fucks about it all despite getting screwed harder than the rest of Asia.
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>>2874475
i didn't even know this was a thing, are there any recordings to see what its like?
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New chapter out, at long last they meet.
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>>2874675
Yeah, some of last year's panels are on youtube and if you look it up on fireden, you can see posts from attendees last year. I went last year and it was much less of a cringefest than I expected. You're too late to sign up this time though.
Here are a couple of last year's panels. Quality varies, of course.
>Gay in Premodern Japan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Vk-u7-_nU
>Hide the Seke - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bXDXM0dMq0
>Futekiya panel featuring Ayu Yamane live drawing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nocF971ZSxk
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>>2874595
Having had such 'no reverse' issues as a baby fujo, I can tell that from my perspective it was easthetically wrong and uncomfortable to look at, like seeing a character you like fucked by some ugly bald guy (and not even in a kinky way). That said, I never thought to nag reverse shippers and eventually got over it with exposure. I guess Jap fandom would rather avoid and criticize that exposure.
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>>2874661
Nothing super groundbreaking or chartworthy but I have a few titles I really enjoyed. Going by thread faves' tanko, Takahashi's Stigmata and Azuma Kaya's Fujisaki Shinobu no Katarikiki came out this year. Going by new and continuing series there's Takahashi's Psychedelia, Mushiba's 2 to Car, Niboshiko's Mugi-kun etc.
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>>2874683
>Niboshiko's Mugi-kun
What’s this?
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>>2874475
I forgot to sign up, I hope anons write notes and share them here! Last year was fun.
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>>2874695
Niboshiko Arai's ムギくんの胸のうち, it's great so far. There are only 3 chapters out, I fully intend to scanlate it when it's done.
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>>2874598
>>2874604
>>2874679
Can't say I every understand it. Like sure, there are some pairings where I like x fucking y and "that's the appeal", but it's not like I'd care about the reverse.
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>>2874699
ANON THEY'VE REOPENED BRIEFLY
GET IN GET IN GET IN
>https://www.eventbrite.com/e/fujocon-2021-tickets-145935417763
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>>2874758
Holy shit, thank you! Registered now
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I've never read Berserk but I've fallen down a rabbit hole of Berserk doujins. Something about Guts getting fucked really does it for me. Can any anons recommend some Original BL with similar bodies or vibes to Guts and Griffith? I bet there are mangakas who did doujins for them who do original now. Preferably with the big guy on the bottom or the smaller/cuter guy as a power bottom in control.
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Fujocon registration ends in a couple hours, is it worth signing up?
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>>2874853
It's free, you might as well. If you find out you don't like it, then just don't go to any of the panels. One tip though: set alarms for the panels you want and mute the discord.
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>>2874853
I got put off by all the they/thems in the guest list.
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>>2874864
Ignore them. The content of the panels are more interesting than the speaker. Remember to mute the discord then it will all be good.
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>>2874864
Imagine depriving yourself of fun because some people you can avoid easily like the same thing you do. Just ignore them, it's not like anyone is forcing you to interact with every guest or any other con attendees.
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>scrolling on mrm
>oh boy is that a new manga by Suji I see
>i came buckets to the yakuza shibari one
>so excited for this, gonna be great
>sit back and load it up
>my dick is ready
>it's some shitty manhua, the artist is called SuJi not Suji
Fuck this gay earth
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>>2874864
Explain what can you get from the panels by non artists and bl publishing companies? A dubcon in manga discussion by yaoi university graduates? Someone else's thoughts on manga? The facts you can look up on wiki?
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>>2874931
* And non BL publishing companies
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>>2874931
>Explain conventions to me
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>>2874935
I'm not the one complaining about the identities of yaoi university graduates. If you aren't literally stupid you can research anything on your own and form your own opinion, yet you prefer to worship twitter personalities and their takes.
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>>2874702
God bless you
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>>2874931
>>2874939
Not that anon, but maybe it's not that deep. Maybe it's just nice to hear people talking about a thing I like even if I disagree with their take, which I often do. Maybe hearing from someone who has spent years thinking about something can be a good jumping off point for me to look up more about it later, like last year's Gay in Premodern Japan talk. If I didn't care about BL and wanted to remain detached from any discussion of it, I wouldn't be here posting right now. The only people who listen to panels to agree blindly with the speakers are dumb kids and sycophants, most people listen because they're interested in the topic and then either forget about it or read more on their own.
But I'm mainly attending to see mangakas and to get excited about new releases. I couldn't care less about who a particular presenter is so it could be that I just don't get the issue.
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>>2874953
>it could be that I just don't get the issue
The issue is that this >>2874864 anon is being edgy and this >>2874939 anon is making weird assumptions. You're wasting your time by engaging with either of them.
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>>2874954
Sorry to have offended your yaoi university diploma, I'll listen to your shitty takes
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Shinou looks to be working on a new bl. I pray it’s actually good this time.
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>>2874953
I get being interested in mangaka, artists, manga editors or anyone who's a part of the industry. But seeing the names of the panels, you gotta be shitting me
>3D people shipping
>consent in BL
>fujobait
>cliches in BL
>what's doujins
>genderless men in BL
I have no idea why would anyone who's been interested in BL for years would watch either of this
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>>2874986
From the list I’d go for consent, fujobait and cliches. There’s always the potential for panelists to present new statistics or information on contemporary and historical trends. The presenters might be cringe, but it’s the content and data I’m after. Absorb what’s useful, ignore what’s not and move on.

I’d be very impoverished if I had to start purity testing all sources of information.
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>>2874983
It'll only be good if she gets someone else to write the scenario or a strong willed editor that will forcefully whip her to shape.
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>>2874986
It's the reason why I didn't sign up. I don't care for people in the industry (at least not the ones listed) and for me the regular people panels make or break the event. If I can see from afar I'll be either pissed or bored while listening to someone's takes then I prefer to just not participate.
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I'm looking for BL that isn't slice of life (school or office stuff).
I've read stuff like Tokyo Babylon and I want to read Yami no Matsuei and Hakushaku Cain Series. Any other reccs?
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>>2874986
I looked at the social medias of the guests and they’re pretty young, 19-23 year old Uni graduates. There are a couple older guys and a woman who could be interesting to listen to but I would have liked more artists and less people talking about their own Uni thesis
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>>2875063
Are you looking for older stuff specifically? If not, check our chart and reclist in the first replies and pick those that don't have school life or slice of life tags, check on baka if you're not sure. Mybe something from Azuma Kaya for a start? If you want older stuff try Banana Fish.
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>>2875063
I'd recommend Acid Town, CANIS, Stigmata and MADK. They're pretty unconventional as far as BL go.
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>>2874829
this
>>2872505
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>>2873282
Having gone through the playlist, I recommend we add the following videos to the academic section:

>Gay in Premodern Japan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Vk-u7-_nU [Embed]
>Hide the Seke - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bXDXM0dMq0

The first one, in particular, is a useful visual overview and uses many of the same sources from our Pastebin, as well as some new material.
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>>2875063
Hashihime maybe?
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>>2874995
This. Last year, one of the panels I expected to be ultimate cringe ended up being a statistical survey of BL tropes and their change over time. It was interesting to see certain trends becoming more common and there were also some surprising things, like well over half of all BL characters being explicitly gay nowadays. I want to know more but don't have the time or drive to do the analysis myself, so I'd happily go to an update panel.
The "genderless men" one is another example that could be less cringey than it sounds. I haven't looked into exactly what it's about, but the other anon's specific use of the word genderless makes me think it'll be less "uwu enbies are valid" and more about the predominantly male-led genderless-kei fashion and lifestyle trend. It is fairly sexually fluid and BL has had influence both from and on it (for example, the MC of that Ogi-kun manga), but it's more of a countercultural anti-salaryman movement rather than an LGBT issue like gender discussions in the West. There's almost no info about this in English, which is why I'd find it interesting to listen to a panel by a presenter who understands the trend better than I do and can talk about its relationship with BL.
And I agree, if a panel sucks, just leave and wait for the next relevant one. It's not like we'll lose any money over it. The film screening is the main thing I'm looking forward to anyway.
>TL;DR -
>cringe clickbait title doesn't always mean cringe content
>"genderless men" is probably about a countercultural fashion movement rather than some twitterbait nonsense
>curate your own experience and leave a panel if you get bored
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>>2875063
Chinese BL is affected by old school BL and clamp in particular
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>>2875094
>Last year, one of the panels I expected to be ultimate cringe ended up being a statistical survey of BL tropes and their change over time.
Please tell me there was a recording of that somewhere
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>>2875096
I don't usually read Chinese stuff but I would if it's got CLAMP vibes. Any recommendations?
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Don't think it's CLAMP, but Heaven's Official Blessing has the best art I've ever seen in a BL, it's in a league all it's own.
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>>2875107
Mo Dao Zu Shi is as big as it is for a reason, though neither the manhwa nor anime (my favorite versions of the story, absolutely love them) are finished yet. There is a full live action drama and the original novel, I didn't like either of those much due to pacing but maybe you would.
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Speaking of Chinese stuff I didn't know Old Xian had artbooks.
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>>2875094
NB isn't even a thing in JP, I don't understand why these retards see a character who is playful about his gender or crossdress and think "Wow, imaginary tumblr sexuality!"
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are we still posting uncensored dicks?
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>>2875113
Is this the one where the men look like women?
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>>2875121
Always
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>>2875113
Unpopular opinion, but I couldn't get into it. The art is beautiful but would be more appropriate for an illustration. It's overdone for a comic, and the characters aren't facially expressive. This all makes it a bit hard to follow. It's like eating a technically well cooked cake with ten different flavours mixed in and every decoration possible heaped on top so the taste and look end up weird and unpleasant.
>>2875122
I think it suffers with that more than most xianxia manhua, but their gormlessness bothers me more than the femme character designs.
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Looks like Therapy Game is joining the riba club
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>>2875134
Never read it, but GOOD
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>>2875113
It's great when read along the novel for illustration but not necessarily as a comic on its own. It can be a bit hard to follow and I agree with >>2875127
That the characters look so pretty that they forget to have varied expressions at times. Starember is a great artist but it shows that she's not used to the format quite yet.
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>>2875121
I saw it on cmoa, I still can't understand how it's published almost uncensored despite not being an R18 ver, and from ihrHertz that normally censors stuff into glowsticks. Pity the rest of the art is so poor, I'd have bought it otherwise.
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>>2874610
Apparently this releases digitally tomorrow. Here's the teasers that have been posted, can any moon anons translate?
>1/3
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>>2875162
>2/3
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>>2875164
>3/3
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>>2875160
>Pity the rest of the art is so poor, I'd have bought it otherwise.
Fair enough. One thing that I did like was the pov switch in ch.2 where the stolid, fuckboy seme is revealed to just be a naive and innocent high schooler who's just discovered the joys of gay sex
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>>2875094
>The "genderless men" one is another example that could be less cringey than it sounds. I haven't looked into exactly what it's about, but the other anon's specific use of the word genderless makes me think it'll be less "uwu enbies are valid"
That’s unironically what it sounds like, I believe the host is a ftm, translates ftm manga, their website says they wrote their entire 10k word university thesis about their own manga translation. They sound unbearable IMO
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>>2875177
Damn, the page you posted is nice. Did you finish it already? If so, is it good as a whole?
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>>2875180
>hasn't finished uni yet
>writes 10k words about their own translation
Such humility about their work, such broad worldview...
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>>2875094
The majority of them have been able to read the R18 manga legally only for 3-4 years, wtf do you expect to hear on those panels?
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>>2875180
is that thesis available to read?
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>>2875180
That may be what it sounds like to you based on assumptions you've made from the presenter's identity, but still, you can't say for sure that's what the panel will be until it happens.
Anyway, you've convinced me. I wasn't going to attend that one because it's scheduled right after work and I'll be tired, but I've decided I'm going to get home and put it straight on. If you're right and it's some intolerable self-aggrandizing hugbox, I'll come back, admit you were right, and have a sad loser drink with my housemate. If it's not and actually focuses on information about genderless-kei and its relationship with BL, I'll post my notes here for you to read and have a happy victory drink with my housemate. Sounds good?
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>>2875189
Sorry for making assumptions about you, genderless panel host.Having the confidence to dedicate a thesis to your own translations is admirable, but no need to get so defensive
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>>2875183
It sounds like an undergraduate dissertation, no one gives a single fuck what those are. Most students choose the easiest thing possible to write about so they don't have to put any effort in, that's the first thing I see when I hear that topic rather than flat out narcissism. 10k words is nothing too, that's less than three days' worth of work. Hell, I've shat out reports longer than that in a single all-nighter.
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>>2875190
This is just sad, anon. I'm obviously not the panel host, but we both know there's no way to prove that barring some sort of timestamped pic. I'll provide a timestamped hand pic holding a BL manga if you want, but are you really that scared that you might be wrong?
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>>2875193
What will that prove? Is this your first day on 4chan?
>>2875159
I agree but I feel the artist is improving, the first arc was incomprehensible on its own but they're doing better with the second arc
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>>2875185
Thats probably purchase. Unless japan has a law specifically targeting ownership?
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>>2875182
It's fine.
The couple is an irksome and overworked salaryman who's looking for no strings attached sex, and the aforementioned bi-curious high schooler.
The plot is nothing revolutionary and you can pretty much predict exactly where the conflict is gonna go, but I'd be lying if I said the seme didn't win me over.
Watching him trying to act like an experienced playboy when he's obviously fallen fast and hard is quite endearing.

The inconsistent art doesn't get much better though, so if that's a deal-breaker I'd advise you to skip it.
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>>2875194
After all the time anons have spent on /a/ and other boards staring mangaka's hands to work out what sex they are and if they're fat or not, I thought that would be obvious. But since I apparently have to spell it out for you: my hands will probably not look like the presenter's. I have a small scar on the back of my left and several freckles. I also have one short nail because it broke yesterday.
And full disclosure, I don't even know who the presenter is, so I've just been taking your word on things so far. You'll have to compare and contrast yourself.
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>>2875198
Thanks, then maybe I'll risk it with a coupon. I can get over the art if the rest is decent.
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>>2875198
With the tone and the shift in POV, your description reminds me of Jimi Fumikawa's I Seriously Can't Believe You. Sounds fun
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>>2875202
Good luck anon, be sure to roast me if you're dissatisfied. At least the sex scenes are only lightly censored.
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>>2875206
Damn those are some big heads, it looks cute though.
>>2875199
mental
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>>2875213
>mental
Probably, but I'm enjoying this. And who knows, you might be right! The panel could be shit, and then you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you were both correct in your assumptions AND wasted my time
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>>2875213
>legs that cannot walk
why though?
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>>2875199
Take your meds, that's what /a/ would tell you
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>>2875228
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>>2874475
>>2874699
Uh so I joined late. The yaoi that hurt me panel was one fujo talking about some fucked up manga she likes but there was a good atmosphere and conversation at the end. I looked at the trans people stream for 5 minutes but it was boring so I watched a game show instead. I'm going to listen to the one about whatever BL desam is.
>>2874995
>>2875094
Are you going to the cliches one? Can you post if it was good?
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This is a standard rape to love story but the seme's personality change from sadistic psycho to whipped virgin is pretty wild. Bov's dragon quest doujin is quite notorious but this has mellowed out quite a lot.

>>2875225
Sometimes bad things are good
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>>2875268
>Sometimes bad things are good
Put your hand on a stove for 20 hours and, yeah, after a while, the pain will have subsided a little by comparison, but you'd have done serious damage to yourself.
That shit makes Shinou Ryo's BL read like Tolstoy.
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>>2875269
>That shit makes Shinou Ryo's BL read like Tolstoy
I love you anon
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>>2875269
Tolstoy is overrated
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>>2875250
Ohhhh bl desam is bl fandom in India! Haha. It was pretty good actually
>speaker did a study in 2016 and had trouble finding bl fans and people were ashamed
>pandemic and instagram+tiktok made bl dramas explode
>she redid the survey and they got more replies
>women and men like dramas best
>2gether and the untamed the most popular
>bl spread through memes (they call memes trolls there wtf)
>they use bl memes to make dumb ship jokes and also poke fun at political things
>indian memes are extra and high effort
>big fanclubs for dramas
>less manga fans because indian fujos see manga as problematic after reading all the western discourse but somehow dramas are ok
>no home grown creators
>gl not popular but watching bl makes many young people nicer to all lgbt people not just gays
>bl fandom focused on instagram and youtube because India banned tiktok
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>>2875286
Poor small BL fandom pre-pandemic. But I guess it's nice to see a lot of baby fujos coming in from drama. They're really tame so they get spread easily and the BL newbies don't get exposed to gay sex right of the bat, but I can bet that as the fandom matures the manga and (unfortunately) korean smut are gonna spread there too.
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>>2875250
The cliche one is boring and wish I gone to Desam BL instead. Its nothing you wouldn't be able to figure out if you have eyes and glance at BL for a whole two minutes. Yaoi hands, rape is love name a cliche when you talk about BL cliche and its there, there isn't even more recent stuff like delinquents and just shit you seen in 2000.

I will say that there is one gag where the speaker talks using nothing but manga with Love in the title, that was pretty high effort. But other than that its low hanging fruit humor. Oh man BL manga title on Renta are funny haha jokes.

Its nothing bad but its predictable and honestly its like the speaker is talking to people who never even seen yaoi before. Wish I gone to the Desam panel.
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>>2875286
went to The BL fan project talk half hour late
>i arrive
>talking about how bl fans from brazil complained that prices of bl don't convert so are more expensive
>they also said there is almost no bl licensed compared to America but also they pirate because getting caught with bl can ruin your life
>new bl fan project survey unveiled for 2021
>https://forms.gle/5vY6fZ5VXx7xE8Ak6
>it was interesting I guess but needs more stats, futekya blog has more stats than this had
>lively discussion about research and how cool it would be if we could translate Japanese papers about bl
>>2875291
oh damn. Sorry anon that sucks. if it helps I am in the writing bl one now and it's shit so far. two writers came up with the revolutionary idea that bl is about yearning.
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>>2875286
>indian fujos see manga as problematic after reading all the western discourse
They have a fucking caste system and half the women make false rape allegations to get out of forced marriages. And these people are concerned that drawings aren’t unproblematicly gay enough?
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>>2875294
>>2875294
Never a good idea to go to a writing panel led by people whose writing you don't already know and like
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>>2875297
Yeah I'm leaving for the bl in non bl fandom panel now. This is garbage
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>>2875301
He cut his hair?
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>>2875303
And got kicked by a donkey resulting in crossed eyes and the first non-natal case of Down's syndrome, amazing medical case if you ask me
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2.5D panel was actually informative. It talks about the differences between traditional Broadway and 2.5D performances and how its structure works and how it is adapted from source material. Shitty mic quality from the speakers but its good information though I got bored when they start talking about specific stage franchises. Not bad. So far fujocon has been very hit or miss.
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>>2875305
This poor young man, he is suffering, degenerating before our very eyes. Someone should write a paper about his affliction and save other BL characters from his tragic fate
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>>2875250
>BL desam
Indian BL fans?
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>>2875302
I got so pissed off I forgot to say what the shit panel said but I don't think any of you would care. It was a little funny how bad it was though.
Ok so the bl in non bl industries panel.
>arrived two mins late
>they are talking about antis and how they are bad for marketing
>for example a company wanted to the the tagline "fresh new bl" and they were told not to because the antis will start posting that fresh means its pedophilia and stuff
>apparently this is completely fucking up licencing behind the scenes when it comes to US releases
>apparently the Japanese don't care about spoilers and put out a lot of teasers but westerners don't like that
>Japanese companies will release a ton of extras and will randomly tell the US companies they can't have all the assets
>US companies struggle to balance backlash from community and cross cultural weirdness from Japanese companies
>I stepped away for a few minutes to grab dinner, this one is good so far
>speaker talked about how different advertisement in asia is to here
>people in thailand are neutral or positive towards ads that include full on bl content while in the west they lose their shit if gays even hold hands
>thai bl with their ship branding is wild and hard to translate to the west even though it is starting to spread to korea and japan
>western companies still believe that most anime attracts a male audience even though more recent market research doesn't agree and says that women spend a lot more money than male fans do
>fujobaiting slips under the radar in western companies sometimes, apparently this is how they got YoI approved even though it is marketed as bl in japan
>simulcasts and simulpubs have made a huge difference apparently
>lots of job advice for people in the industry
>some discussion about scanlators and their changing role in the industry
This one was super good, I think I will listen to it again later to catch what I missed
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>>2875313
>YoI approved even though it is marketed as bl in japan
Wait, so YoI is actually BL?!
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>>2875313
i only came in at the part with the Thai ads, but i really enjoyed it. reading that summary i def wanna go back to the vod later
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Queer in Japan is a very good doccumentary. If anything that is genuinely have any value in this convention its this. Anons should check it out.
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>>2875314
Marketed in the same way as BL. Treated as BL in Japan so it kind of is over there. However in the west it was not marketed that way so it is not really BL here. This is from a marketing stand point though.
>>2875313
Forgot to say I am taking a break to do some things. Will be back later but if there is a panel you absolutely want a summary of just say it
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>>2875316
FUCK I thought it was tomorrow SHIT
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>>2875317
Thanks anon, if possible I’d like to know about the “consent in BL” panel.
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>>2875313
>companies now taking antis opinion into consideration
The fuck is wrong with burger publishers? This is how you get bullied.
>scanlators changing role
Can you summarize what they said about it?
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>>2875316
Can you please give a brief overview anon
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I vow to go see every single god damn shitty sounding panels to torture myself. And Cliche in BL has been a absolute snooze fest. But ironically 3D shipping panel is actually not as bad as I thought. Its still bad with so many cringe moments but there is legit information about BL related stuff.

Like with Thai BL and how they literally makes two actors to act gay irl and fans can auction on what activity they do. The gay pandering in Kpop as an actual marketing strat. Then actual law being advocated in Korea over banning 3D shipping.

Overall I learned something new and about the fucked up idol practices which is pretty interesting. Of all the shit panel premise it definitely surprise me. Probably because my expectation was rock bottom.
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>>2875319
At 3:30 pm cst tomorrow? Sure thing anon, I will try
>>2875321
The thing is moral outrage can explode in America really bad. Lots of stuff almost died when the religious right decided it was satanic and the companies worry the antis could be powerful enough to do things like that. They don't care if they get bullied but they care if their product gets banned and stuff like happened with ebay and amazon recently.
About the scanlators I can't exactly remember because I was cooking but I remember that she said scanlators should put it on their resume especially if they are typesetters because it shows your skill.
>>2875323
The fake couple thing really creep me out. But if it makes money I guess they're not gonna stop
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Does anyone know when and where the recorded panels will be available?

>>2875323
>I vow to go see every single god damn shitty sounding panels to torture myself.

Thank you for your service.
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>>2875325
After con on their youtube channel probably?
>>2875310
Yep
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>>2875324
There are so many fascinatingly horrifying practices when it comes to real life pandering the panel brought up. So overall not complete dog shit like I thought it would

>>2875322
I don't know how to sum it up better than its description "Trailblazing artists, activists, and everyday people from across the spectrum of gender and sexuality defy social norms and dare to live unconventional lives in this kaleidoscopic view of LGBTQ+ culture in contemporary Japan."

Its very much worth a watch the depth they go into is pretty astounding
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>>2875324
>scanlators should put it on their resume
Nice way to dox yourself.
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>>2875313
Popped into the last 30 mins of the thai panel. Not paying as much attention because I only saw half of 2gether and need to do stuff
>4 royal couples who are produced couples who are a merch empire
>also 4 big newer next generation ships
>these are all from a company called Grammy but there are also other pairs from companies that aren't as popular internationally
>So many thai boys and names I can't follow I am sorry
>bl couples get used a lot for advertising like BrightWin Dunkin Dounuts
>they have their own word for fujos and expressions fujos use but these aren't seen as creepy or anything
>Thai BL driving popularity of Thai media possibly leading to thai media becoming a global phenomenon
>Thai BL a huge boom in Japan
>Filipino BL is also growing but one of the new big series had all sort of allegations
>Is Thai BL queerbaiting? he says no because we don't know if most of these guys are gay or straight and also it is culturally different
Q&A going still on but I want to move on. This was pretty fun and I like how the presenter loved the topic he is researching
>A WHOLE LOT OF THAI BL NOVELS ARE AVAILABLE IN ENGLISH!! I had no idea
>>2875336
That's just what she said not my opinion
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>>2875323
Aw man that's the one I wanted to see.
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>>2875323
>fans can auction on what activity they do
What the fuck??
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>>2875336
Yeah. I get what they mean since it seems like book and visual novel publishers have started contacting scanlators to use their work, but it’s still illegal and ticks off the Japanese
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>>2875341
>visual novel publishers
In general or in BL?
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>>2875339
Waiting for the one called Fujoshi Bait: The Integration of Boys Love Literacies in Mainstream Japanese Media and Beyond.
Dropped into the Save Your Smut one to hear about bookbinding saved fic and doujin, it was interesting and the speaker sounded like she did a good job. I missed most of the panel though I think she also talked about digital archiving and saving Ao3 stats. She posted some resources:
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/14wELbcsJ2Dh38sN__CnjTFZq5qm3-Kg5fGkUrLkxmtA/edit?usp=sharing
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oTHW-R_NykRh0Addk0Zo6KFFVtfYM7aPD7R9ySC6Lnc/edit?usp=sharing
Apparently fanfiction.net is about to die so you should save your old fics if you have any.
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>>2875346
I'm not even into fanfiction, but I thought that panel was really interesting.
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>>2875346
Really love that fanlore wiki
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>>2874677
oh man these look really interesting, thank you for sharing.
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Since the other anon take fujobait panel and I check out the Gundam panel and it is a clusterfuck. I can't understand what on earth is the guy rambling about and this seems like a group of Gundam yaoi fans talking than an actual panel. They keep talking about fanfics and their headcanons its so bad. Worst panel by far.
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>>2875352
Anon don't hurt yourself, come to the bait panel with me, it's really good so far
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>>2875353
I know right? I am legit impressed despite coming late. The speaker's voice is hard to understand but I am very into the things she is talking about.
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>>2875357
Yeah, I'm dumb as shit and this isn't simplified or basic, but I think I'm managing to follow all her explanations. She's doing super well
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>>2875362
Bunch of anons are at fujocon recapping what's going on there
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>>2875347
Yeah I was impressed!
>>2875346
OK time for coffee and Fujobait. The things I do for you anons
>Opens with Free! PV of course
>What is fujoshi bait? Intertextual narrative elements in non-BL media internationally or unintentionally used to inspire boy's love literacies
>this got a lil technical to me, I am very stupid
>BL literacties = three components
>bishonen
>odo (noble formula/coupling/ship)
>intertextual "database" (affective narrative and visual elements)
>Doesn't need to have all three but almost always do
>defined intertextuality (continuous challenging and changing of meanings) and affect (an intensity felt beyond logic, consciousness, or even emotion)
>BL contains ideas which challenges traditional ideas of relationships and produces a queer affect
>Why male characters early on? Because male had more social mobility and could do things that women would not be able to
>men showing introspection and emotion are part of what has made certain bishonen more beloved (Sakuragi Hanamichi as example)
>Odo - the formula of BL.
>seme x uke only became a thing in the 90's, before they had a thing called the ship umbrella that didn't put the characters into specific roles
>the formula queers male homosocial relationships into romantic/sexual relationships
>fujobait can be intentional (sasunaru kiss) or unintentional (some voice actors talking and the fujos go wild)
>Jojos one of the OG fujobaits! Character books and profiles are one of the things that really started the fangirls imaginations
>Also Yu Yu Hakusho, Slam Dunk, the usual suspects
>Yu Yu Hakusho guy complained that female writers imagine his MC as being cute haha
>this is when the publishes started to realize that fans will go nuts for this stuff so a whole galaxy of parallell media develops
>You get series that use it in marketing (Kuroke no Basuke, etc) and others that incorporate content marketed towards the fujoish fans more directly (Prince of Tennis, Detective Conan, etc)
1/?
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>>2875371
Continuing
>fans consume and remix mainstream media
>mainsteam media baits fujos to get more out of them
>at this point you have handholding and official art that highlights the popular pairs
>Section 2 Does it work?
>not always (Dive!!, Magical Girl Ore)
>Cherry Magic is a seinen manga, Kinou Nani Tabeta too, but the dramas became beloved to fujos
>Ossan Love even attracted older women who were not fujos early on
>The kissing in Jp bl dramas is ugly though
>Kpop shipping uses actions, visuals, and scenarios to inspire intertextual reading from fujos, it's called Business Gay Performance and Skinship
>Now its spreading all over, so Thai BL, Pinoy BL, Chinese BL
>BL in LGBT media, the relationship between the two is interesting. For example Pinoy BL is also LGBT media written by a gay man but is also BL for sure
>queerbait and fujobait are not the same thing
>a paper she wrote https://www.academia.edu/44938179/Queer_Affective_Literacies_Examining_Rotten_Womens_Literacies_in_Japan
Wow this was good! It got less focused towards the end and I am getting tired of hearing about Thai BL but I still liked it a lot. I get that BL manga isn't as big any more but I hope the next few days will have more discussion of modern BL manga
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>>2875371
You are doing way better at summarizing this than I am which I just give people my impression on the panel and no go deep into it because there is so many interesting details in panels that I want to rewatch.

But yes seems like it is really hit or miss these panels. You either get super informative stuff or actual shit. The shitty looking panels turns out to be way more engaging than it looks.

I suspect the focus on Thai BL is due to this being an academic panel. The less academic a panel the less they bring up Thai BL which is kinda sucks because their content is really good if they stop talking so much about this new thing.
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>>2875381
She said something about queer inclusivity including the women who have a long history of queering characters and that just killed me. You're not inclusive if you don't include fujos, take that LGBTQIA+++ twitter, you're actually the bigots for thinking yaoi is bad somehow.
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>>2875382
Oh I'm just summarizing because I'm getting too sleepy to form opinions. I should go make coffee or something
Yeah today it's been like it's either about Thai BL or about really old stuff. At least in the bait one the part about old stuff and how bait works was great and the thai BL part was short. But I think tomorrow will be much more manga because all the important industry panels and artists will be here then
>>2875384
Delete twitter and live your life at least 65% happier. For real man screw that place
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So far most stuff has at least something kind of interesting to offer or at least one or two good information that it brings. Aside from Writing BL panel and Gundam fanfiction jerk off session. Fuck those two panels. They both have potentially interesting premise and they are both laughably bad.
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>>2875381
Dropped into the Rotten Blossoms industry panel, it is halfway through
>they have a whole subtitled voice actor Q&A thing going on for something called WINGS
>is this the company that licensed and sold a drama CD? I think it is
>I am confused and tired and the guy labelled as Hiziri Tsumiki has a weirdly calming voice
>don't fall asleep anon
>they are acting out a scene from a manga
>wow this is some mediocre art
>oh it's over, people are talking in English again
>the Hiziri Tsumiki guy is in a drama cd called Halloween Night which they have available
>I might actually buy it
>RELEASES!
>Something Scrumptious
>XXX or You Can't Escape! a PWP print Aphrodisiac ReoMabu doujin, preorder on YaoiCrate site
>Crossword Men by Oyuu - A whole anthology of different types of pairings
>PET by Yumecoo
>*no title yet* by Miyamon - weird shape book, art looks cute enough
Q&A
>would rotten blossoms ever consider publishing, or opening submissions, from english speaking BL manga creators?
Maybe later
>What's your favorite part of the localization process?
Working directly with artists
>would you ever consider translating novels/non-comic media?
Maybe but expensive because more text and pages
>How do you decide which artists to reach out to see if they are interested in getting their works translated to English?
Buy their doujins, reach out if they like them. Some mangakas get mad about their offers though and don't want to be associated with English at all.
>sudden end
I wanted to stay up for Digital Fanthropology: A Deep Dive Into Early ’00s Era Fan Communities but I don't know, I might have to fall into bed anons. I will try, but it's not like that topic is the most relevant to us here anyway.
>>2875393
I agree it has been mostly quite good so far. Fuck the writing BL one though and even though I wasn't there I will extend a fuck you to the gundams on your behalf
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>>2875381
>Cherry Magic is a seinen manga, Kinou Nani Tabeta too
That's not true, cherry magic is not running in a seinen magazine, imagine trying to be an expert on the topic and not knowing that seinen and shounen are demographics. The magazine cherry magic is published also does josei and pretty much everything else too
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>>2875421
Sorry anon I think I personally fucked that one up not the speaker. It is well into the morning and I haven't slept yet, please cut me some slack
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>>2875403
I made it. Digital fanthropology and then I can fuck off for the night/morning.
>hosted by two game devs making a game called Terranova based on four fujos in the early 2000's, it's in beta.
>Sharing the research they did for the game
>one of them was a gravitation cosplayer at Otakon in 2004
>Fandom life cycle: Find a community -> Creative hacking -> Resilience
>Find a community
>1995 - people on Geocities and Angelfire had neighborhoods and webrings that collected sites with particular shared topics.
>Creative hacking
>fans roleplaying on AIM, Fic aggregators for individual fandoms
>Ask blogs - started around 2008. Ask Captain Jack on LJ was the first big one
>Fandoms and roleplaying in the Nook store comments, accessed through ereader - Warrior cats, 2012
>del.icio.us - fandom link aggregators, used to tag angst and pairings, bookmarking
>Resilience
>fans try hard to stay resilient and relevant
>when delicious fucked over the fandoms there were huge spreadsheets to migrate people. They even crashed Google docs doing that. Pinboard grew out of this apparently
>Livejournal strikethrough incident - "Warriors of Innocence" vintage antis
>Current hijinks with the tag system on Ao3
>antis before "oh nooo the kids will become gay incestuous pedos"
>antis now "oh nooo the adults will become fetishizing degenerate pedos"
>Alt fan spaces pushing against twitter
>Yesterweb movement - pushing for oldstyle decentralized platforms that can't be taken down in one swoop
>neocities
>tumblr-but-better ideas like bobaboard
>game demo! http://playterranova.com/
>they decided to make the game in loving memory of one of the devs' friends from her Gravitation roleplay days
This one was relaxing fun. Cheesy, pleasantly nostalgic, with some great fan tidbits I didn't know about like roleplayers in ebook reviews or had forgotten about like Quizilla. Well goodnight anons! See you tomorrow
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>>2875313
>>2875323
>>2875339
Didn't know Thai BL is a thing let alone a huge thing. Fascinating, thanks.
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I am absolutely hammered and so tired. But I joined the doujin panel because its on the shit list. Its pretty chill industry panel, DLsite people giving viewers coupons while browsing and explaining their catalog. I got 30% off coupon so I think even on that level alone its pretty worth it if you into buying fap materials
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>>2875429
Thank you both for your service.
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>>2875314
>Wait, so YoI is actually BL?!
YoI wasn't marketed as BL definitely lol
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Damn I wish /y/ had spoiler
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>>2875339
This sounds very much like Thomas Baudinette. Does anyone know which topic James Welker is presenting?
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Anyone going to the following panels?:

>Consent and Rape Fantasy in Boys Love Manga: ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ From the 1970s to Today
>MLM: Men Love Monsters???
>Living in Japan and Respecting Cultures in Stories
>futekiya Industry Panel with Makuno
>Genderless Men: Androgyny in Japanese Fashion and Media
>Bara and Geicomi - Meetup
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>>2875471
I am shitlist anon, I will be going to

>Consent panel
>Monster panel
>Genderless men panel

Suggest any shitty panel and I will at least give it a fair shot. My tolerance for cringe is pretty high.
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>>2875429
Thanks for staying up for that one, sounds interesting
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>>2875478
in addition to those, may I request the Bara and futekiya panel? Tomorrow they will have a sublime panel and I definitely want tabs on that.
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Didn't know there was a panel about Bara and Geicomi. If anyone goes there, can you check if they have some info on the customer size?
Did an experiment with a geicomi indie artist in selling years-old translated but still JPN censored works. He thinks it sold well even if he made the ENG version free to those who bought the JPN before but I wasn't so sure.
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>>2875480
Man I am not the one to go to industry stuff. I am not good at summarizing. It is why I rather go to random wild card panels instead. Much easier to talk about how I feel about it and tell anon if it is worth it. Maybe the other Anon would be up for it.
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>>2875478
>>Genderless men panel
Wat
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>>2875497
Don't tell me you don't read non binary trans lesbian yaoi
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What age gap is the best?
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>>2875511
12 years, exactly one zodiac cicle
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>>2875511
50 years
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>>2875497
Probably means this >>2875094 >>2875120, but IDK jury's still out.
>>2875480
I will be at the futekiya one, but I think the bara thing is a meetup on discord rather than a panel. I can still look in and summarise if you want, though?
>>2875478
Good morning shitlist anon!
>>2875471
I am overly detailed summary anon and I'm planning to go to these:
>(Maybe) 11AM - Monsterfuckers
>(Maybe) 12AM - MM Romance Narration and Q&A with Nick J. Russo
>1PM - Anime RIVALS: the Queer Subtext of a Sworn Nemesis
>2PM - Parodies of Male Same-Sex Love in The Great Mirror of Male Love and Zetsuai 1989
>3:30PM - Either Consent or whatever Ask Dr.Fujo is
>5PM - futekiya Industry Panel with Makuno
>Something around 6
>8PM - Scarlet Beriko Live Draw and Q&A
>10PM - Live Talk and Drawing Session with Nacolat and futekiya
I probably won't make all of these because I'm still exhausted and have stuff to do, but I will do my best.
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>>2875511
Young man on Old Man
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>>2875511
The age gap between my dick and your hole
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>>2875511
20 years old with a more mature, experienced lover in his 30+.
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>>2875511
No age gap. Childhood friend romance.
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>>2875529
Found the seme
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>>2875511
Generally speaking, I don't care about the number of years between the characters, but more so at what different stages they are in their lives. For example, there probably isn't much substantive difference between a 50 year-old and a 65 year-old, but there definitely is between a 17 year-old and a 30 year-old.
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>>2875313
>for example a company wanted to the the tagline "fresh new bl" and they were told not to because the antis will start posting that fresh means its pedophilia and stuff
Lol the fuck. That sounds like the kind of shitpost meme old /a/ or tumblr would post to reverse troll antis.
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>>2875545
>For example, there probably isn't much substantive difference between a 50 year-old and a 65 year-old,
In developed countries there generally would be, the latter would be transitioning into retirement and dealing with the start of physical frailty.
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>>2875547
fair enough, lets make it 40 and 55.
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>>2875548
I'd read the hell out of this. Based ojisans
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>>2875552
Off you go anon: https://torikamita.booth.pm/items/2816784
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>>2875317
>Marketed in the same way as BL. Treated as BL in Japan so it kind of is over there. However in the west it was not marketed that way so it is not really BL here. This is from a marketing stand point though.
How was the marketing less BLish in the west? I remember the BD covers had the two guys hugging.
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The monster panel is as bad as the Gundam panel. Full of people talking nothing about their husbando. Nothing of value can be found here.
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>>2875269
Haha very true but for me I prioritize art over writing so I'm forgiving as long as it isn't insultingly dumb.
Shinou Ryo could write the worst BL in history and I'd still lap that shit up because of the godtier art
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>>2875573
I still don't get the appeal since LTCW has some of the worst art I've ever seen, even by manwha standards.
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Anime rival panel is kinda cute. Its like watching a youtube video of an overly excited fangirl. There is not much content but it is short so I think its fine. There are some cute jokes here and there.

Living in Japan is a panel I dip into it has the same vibe. Just a gal talk about her experience living in Japan and working on her BL novel. The novel part is not very interesting but most of her presentation is about guides to travel in Japan and her experience as a teacher.

Both of the panels are just cute stuff, nothing you can't find on some Japan vlog channel but I didn't think its time wasted, unlike monster panel. Might as well be the worst panel because the speaker doesn't even speak or present they give questions on hey which monster is the sexiest and let the audience fill the blank for an entire hour.
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>>2875520
Fujocon Day 2, START. In the panel about rivals now.
>5 mins late
>Why rivals? Part of hero's journey. Someone who pushes MC forwards to success
>why do people see them as romantic tension?
>shared interests and goals, albeit in opposition.
>obsession leads to conflict and tension, easily interpreted as sexual
>contrasting personalities lead to exciting interaction, whereas overly similar personalities leads to potential closeness
>often bound by destiny - intensity and inevitability of some sort of bond
>ancient rivals in the Epic of Gilgamesh - Enkidu was literally created as Gilgamesh's rival to match his strength, but they end up becoming friends. When Enkidu is killed as a punishment for that, Gilgamesh focuses his whole life on seeking immortality.
>TONS of het examples that are automatically seen as romantic, so why not in BL
>speaker gave her top 10 rival matches
>and that's it, this was super short
>really good answer to a question about red oni blue oni trope
>actually her answers were great in general, impressive considering the questions are from the chat and not preprepared. I wish I wrote down more of them
This was very pleasant! It was short and wasn't super deep or anything, but I enjoyed it a lot. Glad I went to this one!
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>>2875583
>her top 10 rival matches
out of curiosity what were they?
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>>2875583
I have no clue what Zetsuai is, but here I am.
>bad mic quality, uh oh
>manga from 1989, no official translation
>Parody doesn't technically have to be comical, mainly it has to emphasize similarities and differences wither for a particular audience or for a particular purpose
>description of shudo - roles (wakashu/nenja), coming of age switches role, their duties often include double suicide, self harm to express dedication, and various social obligations
>1687 - Ikahara Saikaku publishes The Great Mirror of Male Love. Collection of stories parodying or "perverting" shudo traditions to create a new homo tradition
>20 samurai stories, 20 kabuki ones.
>she read three of them, it was all VERY dramatic
>First one about a wakashu who is treated badly and so he chooses to love someone who isn't his lord. The wakashu and the lord are killed for it, but the wakashu is shown as virtuous even though he followed his heart and went against his lord.
>The second I didn't hear because of a loud noise in my house
>all I heard was boy's age is revealed as being 38, much too old to be a wakashu. The other kabuki actors make fun of him and the monk attending gets angry and says he didn't deceive anyone because before his age was revealed no one knew and they shouldn't be dicks
>two men try to get their neighbour to beat his wife. One of the two of them was still a wakashu at 60 and that's not treated as weird. Apparently this one is to trigger the hets and entertain the gays by showing male love as better.
>social change and male prostitution entrench this
>BL parodies
>1970's easy printing leads to doujinshi culture
>80's parody manga of official work becomes popular
>90's is when BL really becomes entrenched
>BL parodies male relationships for the purpose of entertaining particular consumers. >sports manga in particular uses visual language to treat the relationships between men very seriously and BL is just one step further
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>>2875570
That’s a shame. I figured they would discuss MadK or something.
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>>2875580
I'm actually very picky about art styles, I find the art in most bl sex scenes too stiff. In LTCW the characters look quite three dimensional (dunno how else to describe this), plus I like the character designs and the kinks.
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>>2875585
Continued
>zetsuai in 1980's is about a soccer player and a singer
>uses a lot of shudo tropes to heighten the drama and timelessness of their relationship
>why males if mostly female readers?
>at this time because no pregnancy, less guilt, and an escape from strict roles afforded to women.
>for example self harm, they're constantly injured to prove their love
>Izumi is meant to be the receiving lover but he rejects Nanjo - unlike shudo, where wakashu are meant to receive willingly.
>why parents died in wife-husband murder-suicide? why yandere mom? contrast to noble double suicide
>why so dramatic? Intended to be greater than fictionalized hetero love OR real gay love - Every single social convention is surpassed with intense drama. meant to be a love that surpasses absolutely everything
>why homophobic thing like "I'm not gay but" - surpasses literally everything
>why rape? at the time, uncontrollable love = ideal fantasy, the extent of Nanjo's love
>at one point Nanjo begs Izumi to kill him so he doesn't rape him because he can't hold back his uncontrollable love.
>what the fuck was wrong with the 80's goddamn
>both Nanshoku Okagami and Zetsuai are parody, but Nanshoku is a safe way to comment on evolving social hierarchy, whereas Zetsuai is to create an emotionally safe way for female readers to explore sexual fantasy
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>>2875590
Did the panelist mention if Zetsuai was officially linked to Nanshoku Ookagami/The great mirror, or if they put them together for comparisons sake? Also lol, the title Zetsuai 'Absolute Love' answers a lot of these questions by itself. 80's really didn't fuck around with edginess.
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>>2875590
Continued
>Q&A got a bit danmei at first, there was also a question about tanbi
>Someone asked if the panelist read any Hagio Moto and she has not. I almost left at that point
>someone asked if Yaoi Ronso changed BL or if it's just changed because time passed
>speaker talked about how the earliest BL in the 70's was almost a revenge against men, then it became idealized in the 80's. The 90's it became more of an opportunity to play and while different mangakas may still have some of those old influences (omegaverse in particular) mainly it is driven by playfulness and curiosity now
>so change over time I guess
>someone asked if Ai no Kusabi is the same kind of thing as Zetsuai, she said they have a lot in common so yeah maybe
>what is modern BL parodying? social convention, expectations, queering homosocial bonds, even BL's own tropes at this point
>rape fantasy - rape in early BL less driven by rape fantasy specifically and more about trying to describe an uncontrollable form of love
>BL as a term only seems to come from the late 90's and was called mainly called tanbi shousetsu before
The talk itself was very good but the q&a section showed some gaps in her reading in my opinion. I didn't know Zetsuai before though so who am I to judge. Her takes on rape in BL were interesting to me because I had never considered that it wasn't primarily a power or rape fantasy thing. I wonder if the rape panel will agree with her.
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>>2875590
>why so dramatic?
Have people who ask this never watched a drama before?
>why homophobic thing like "I'm not gay but" -
Have people who ask this never met real not out guys/girls before?
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I feel like anyone with even a passing knowledge of human anatomy is going to have an aneurysm reading this thing. Also, that asshole seme gets a severe case of sudden gigantism every time a sex scene comes up. I get it's going for that "dominate me harder daddy" effect, but fucking hell, this bastard gets bigger than the actual titan from Titan's Bride
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>>2875591
She was mainly doing comparisons, it seemed like more of a symbolic thing. The funniest part though was when she was retelling the Nanshoku stories and people in the chat were shouting out this Hagio Moto story and that part of Kazeki, and then when they asked about them at the end it turned out she hadn't read any of those. I don't want to be mean, she did a really good job overall and I enjoyed her talk, but I did laugh at that.
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>>2875592
>less driven by rape fantasy specifically and more about trying to describe an uncontrollable form of love
I would have asked them what the distinction was there, cause I don't see it.
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>>2875594
Ah yes, my favorite BL affliction - 'soccer field-sized perineum', commonly diagnosed alongside 'tailbone migrating anus'.
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>>2875593
I agree with your first point and I'd personally say your second definitely applies today, but the speaker explained how back in the 80's the "I'm not gay" thing was less about gay panic, being closeted,or the pressures of being out in a difficult world, which we see more today, and more about "twu wuv surpasses everything". Not my opinion though, just relaying what was said.
>>2875596
I think it was rape fantasy = getting turned on by pain and violence, probably sadistic or masochistic vs uncontrollable love = getting turned on by the idea of being wanted in such an unconditional way, probably insecure or lonely. But that would have been a good question I agree.
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>>2875592
>speaker talked about how the earliest BL in the 70's was almost a revenge against men,
Anyone got an example of this? I don't think I've read a man hating BL yet.
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>>2875597
Between >>2875594 and >>2875301 we've got half a medical textbook on our hands
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>>2875599
Seconding this. The two major works from that era, Kaze to Kii and Heart of Thomas were pretty empathetic towards male suffering, for all the melodrama.
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>>2875599
To be more specific, she read that out in a quote from an 80's mangaka, apparently the beauty and almost asexual quality of the leading characters in 70's bl was interpreted in that way by the person she quoted. I guess a kind of revenge by idealization and fantastical misrepresentation rather than revenge by violence or suffering?
Can't say I got that vibe from Natsu e no Tobira, KazeKi, They were 11, or November Gymnasium, but I wasn't reading manga in the 70's so what do I know.
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>>2875599
I think it's a bit of a reach, unless there's 70s BL I've completely missed in my research. Hagio used to say how there was a lot of stuff she couldn't write with a female character because of societal and editorial pressure so she and (probably) others form 24nengumi drew all boys instead. Given how a lot of editors at the time were men even for the girls' magazines, I guess it could be read as such? But otherwise all the earliest BL including stuff like Mari Mori weren't particularly menhating, more like escaping restrictions and expectations put on them (Mari Mori is hilarious, I don't think she had issues with female characters, I dare say she mostly had issues with 'how to make it less obvious that I want to fuck my dad').
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Vtuber panel is just straight up one dude being cute and do Vtuber thing for one hour. If you are into common Vtuber shenanigan then you will probably like it. He talks about doing gay stuff for funsies. I didn't find it that good but its not too bad, kinda wish I stayed at the Zetsuai panel more.
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>>2875594
Yeah I laughed when I saw that panel, Balls That Won't Drop
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Its barely 10 minute into the Consent panel and I am wondering if the speaker ever did practice presenting this because she is stuttering badly.
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>>2875612
15 minutes in and she is on a slide entitled "What is BL". It's a fucking BL con. I am considering bailing to whatever "Ask Dr.Fujo" is, let me know if you do. This is frustrating, she needs to get to the damn point.
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>>2875613
Bail it anon, I am grinding gacha while listening to her so I'll stay. She is practically using 7 out of 15 minutes just stuttering with the uhm and the ah.
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Some of these panels sound interesting, but it would be interesting if they stopped beating ye olde “women like BL because they feel guilty” dead horse. even in the 70s, takemiya and co. (excluding hagio since she was part of the group that projected onto boys to explore gender) were very vocal that they wanted to draw cute boys shirtless and making out.
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>>2875592
Little burned out from the Zetsuai one, but who cares. Rape time.
>What is Rape fantasy?
>can indicate sexual guilt or sexual openness, may not resemble real rape. People like surrendering control, being desired, etc
>even though most studies of rape fantasy are on women, it is a common fantasy for everyone. Blah blah basic introduction to theories about this
>SHE HAS A "WHAT IS BL SLIDE". THIS IS A CON FOR BL.
>She's finally moved on to the 1970's shojo and is talking about Mori's home fatal, but I'm out.
I'm off to "Ask Dr.Fujo".
>>2875615
Thanks anon, hope the grinding goes well
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>>2875594
Call that Balls That Won't Drop
>size difference is my fetish
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>>2875613
I just jumped into Dr. Fujo and it's already more interesting than the half hour of Consent. I'd just wait for the recording to get posted and fast forward to when she eventually reaches the point 5 minutes before the panel ends.
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>>2875592
>tanbi shousetsu
I know shousetsu can technically refer to 'fiction' not just 'a novel' but I don't think I've ever seen anyone refer to manga as 'shousetsu'. Maybe it's just my research but the term 'june' to describe 'BL before BL' comes up more often in old articles and yaoi ronsou excerpts.
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>>2875617
I wish some academic team of psychologists took one for the team and did some empyrical research. Whatever they'd find out, maybe it'd shut up the gender studies majors and literature thinkers from conjuring more and more abstract versions of this bs.
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This was really refreshing. I can't really articulate the appeal, but it's definitely one of my top 5 of the year so far.
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>>2875618
I walked into "Ask Dr.Fujo" only to see a question about whether the ten thousand rounds of sex in BL are realistic. Hahahaha
>the speaker went on to explain refractory periods. The explanation was well in depth
>Can you cum from nipples? Is dry orgasm a thing?
>maybe, but not common. Medically a dry orgasm usually happens because something is wrong like post surgery or retrograde ejaculation
>no medical basis for anal orgasm being dry
>is docking a thing? do you need to be uncut?
>it is a thing and you need at least one foreskin to do it.
>would an edutainment BL manga meant for gay men be popular and entertaining?
>she says maybe, someone should make it. I agree, bring on Dicks at Work
>apparently she talked about different types of skin around the anus and how prostaglandins in cum can make you feel sick before I arrived
>someone asked about training your ass to cum over and over, she said she hasn't read much about it
>best question - does poop come out big after stretching? not particularly but incontinence exists
>can anal prolapse heal itself? usually would take medical intervention
>does it feel bad before you have anal orgasm?
>for some people but it's probably more psychologically stressful or overwhelming
>if you use the prostate does it make cumming with the dick harder?
>research is not conclusive on whether you can get stuck masturbating one way forever
>vibration can desentisize you if you use it in the same pace for a long time but won't kill your damn nerves
>funny story about how when speaker was at university she caught fire multiple times and once exploded a whole lot of acetone by mistake. She told the story well, it was funny
>is blue balling a thing? does it hurt?
>yes, but you can't die from it. it's just annoying
>why are some dicks redder than others? melanin deposition is not even on the skin and varies
>eating ass ok? Yes, but hepatitis concern. wash first and use barrier
This was fine! Fun sex ed and relatively well described
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I dipped the fuck out of this panel its 1 god damn hour and she barely made her way towards the begining of 2000 and she is dragging through tooth and nail through EVERY SINGLE BL of that time like Junjou and Finder ect ect and talk about rape in those and then there is STILL MORE and she still have yet to make any single point. Bar none the worst panel I haven't finished.
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>>2875628
Lol, maybe I should pester my doctor friends to do research and answer me more questions like that. I wish I grilled an md gay guy I knew for more knowledge, he was already very tmi happy when drunk but we've lost contact since.
>>2875630
It's funny that it's bad but in a completely different way than everyone predicted.
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Fuck it I will be overly detailed anon this panel triggered me that hard

>Speaker is some gender studies graduate who sound like they haven't done public speaking ever in her life
>Every sentence is dragged into infinity as she pause every sentence for five seconds trying to remember what she is suppose to say.
>Admit that she haven't read BL in ages, doesn't know if she is saying the yaoi acronym correctly or not
>Introducing what is BL in a convention called fujocon of all places
>So many filler that never got to the point. Just her going uh yeah so that for 30 minute talking about the yaoi she read in 2000s
>She sounds like she doesn't even know what the fuck is the sexual fantasy theory she is talking about she keeps pausing like she need to reboot her brain I can't stress how much time she takes relay basic ass theories.
>Keeps mentioning Zetsuai panel (the superior panel)'s points. She keeps mentioning over and over about other people's panels and how they cover some part of her topic and drag the time out even further
>It took her 50 minutes to get to 2000s BL. 50 minutes. Don't ask what the fuck going on in those previous minutes, its her literally try to recount the rape in Banana Fish and failing to remember the plot point that she is talking about.
>Starts to talk about CLAMP in a Rape in BL panel. She is spending so much time talking about Tokyo Babylon and Card Captor Sakura for some reason?
>The last ten minute is finally her getting to probably the only few manga she read in her life and she will make sure that she will go through every. Single. One
>I rage quit when she got to Super Lover and

I take it back Monster panel is not that bad. That panel is a whole lot of nothing. Which is somehow way better than this shit.
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>>2875640
Of all the panels, this was the one I was looking forward to the most. Sounds like such an fucking letdown.
>>2875199
Hope your genderqueer panel doesn't end in a similar clusterfuck anon.
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>>2875625
The term "june" is used because it's the name of the magazine that used to feature what you call "aesthetic" novels, manga, art and photography. It's like a genre of its own. But you knew that already, right? https://www.meiji.ac.jp/manga/yonezawa_lib/archives/exh_tanbi/index.html
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>>2875640
>CLAMP, that haven't drawn one sex scene in their whole official career
>not even about X, that at least has a couple scenes that can be vaguely interpreted for consent and its role
Ouch
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>>2875628
Popped back into the rape one
>Over 100 people have left since I left the first time
>she's talking about the rise of "Pure BL" through things like Classmates, more equal characters in both appearance and archetype and highlighting things like growing together
>around the same time the taboo BL grows involving opposite and unequal partners
>her example is Super Lovers, she says the bottom chases the top but is still the uke archetype
>rape is a pleasurable fantasy or something to be overcome
>Loveless - Intimate relationship never consummated
>if they never fucked then what does this have to do with rape?
>HOLY SHIT THE PANEL JUST GOT CUT BECAUSE IT WAS RUNNING WAY TOO LONG HAHAHAHAHA
Thank GOD it's the futekiya one next. I need a palette cleanser
>>2875631
DOITDOITDOIT. I live with a doctor but he's an MD not a researcher
And yep, that was garbage but I never would have guessed the version of bad it would be. Some anon PLEASE sign up and do the same panel better next year.
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>>2875648
I might just bite that bullet. What's disappointing is rape panel had so much potential but got such a bad host. Between having a slide dedicated to "What is BL" at a fucking BL con and admitting she hadn't read BL in years and all the other stuff anons mentioned, it's hard to believe this was even a serious endeavor. She just sounded so uncomfortable with the whole topic, I can't imagine what prompted her to do an entire panel discussing rape when she clearly wasn't that into it as a kink.
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>>2875644
Yeah, I know where it comes from, I just got stuck on 'tanbi shousetsu' (easthetic novels) used instead of 'BL' before the term 'BL' was coined, where I'm p.sure it only included a style of novel but not other media that are BL (most notably manga). Not gonna swear on this, but it seemed off.
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>>2875648
Futekiya panel, START!
>5 mins of jolly futzing around with tech stuff
>not going to summ the intro, we all know what futekiya is
>They updated their key features and membership this year.
>Filtering/tags, they they are still working on improving and adding to that
>more ways to pay, with long term plans
>more regular updates to both manga and blog, some volumes have one chap a week and some titles are on a daily schedule
>somewhere between 4 and 12 volumes being released a month
>no app, not gonna censor for app stores
>pageviews do determine money for mangakas so reread your faves, they will elaborate later if people ask
>not regionlocked so you can use futekiya from Japan, but it's English only
>currently 279 titles available on the site
>surveys from subscribers super helpful for improving their site, the results go straight to the big boss
>you can email suggestions for localization, DMs on twitter get checked too
>Makuno questions and drawing time!
>aw her English sounds nice
>your recent manga uses the subverse setting, how did you find out about it and what interested you?
>from a manga called Total Submission, she liked it and looked up the setting on Pixiv before giving it a go
>do you listen to anything while you draw?
>she makes playlists for the things she's working on
>favorite part of the body to draw? which is hardest?
>face and facial expressions are best, especially expressive eyebrows. hardest is "parts she doesn't have", like how connect to the abdomen
>does she use references?
>she got flustered about what she could say, it was cute. but obviously yes
>any western media ships
>not many, can't really get into western media, but she likes Frodo and Sam, also Sam and Dean
>any tips for improving art?
>practice a lot, do a lot of "croquis" sketches rather than "dessin". also live drawings.
>croquis means something like quick sketches focusing on outline
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>>2875656
continued
>what type of fantasy is her favorite? will she write a fantasy series?
>love stories with a bit of fantasy mixed with everyday life. Subverse is fantasy too? She likes a lot of fantasy creatures, she called out bigfoot, dragons, and unicorns
>missed the next q but she was saying that r18 is still just growing in commercial BL
>it's in a lot of doujins and a few anthologies but she'd like to see it get big
>ideal tachi and neko are sadistic tachi and stupid neko
>she turned the question onto her interviewers, one likes megane ojisan uke and stupid wild young seme, the other likes wanko all over
>favourite type of ikemen regardless of role? maybe supadari? then she teased the interviewers for a while
>what was it like going from doujin first to commercial mangaka?
>doujin meant she could make whatever she wanted, it is a great way to refine style and taste as well as build a portfolio
>that stays with you when you go commercial, but there are more constraints in page number and how to maintain a good flow. she misses doujin and wants to do more once events restart
>her manga "Scapegoat Baby" is only out to chapter 5 and she noticed western fans are worrying it's dropped, but it's only on hiatus because it's a doujin and there are no events now, she will get back to it as soon as events restart
>she plans the whole plot at a script level before drawing anything. she storyboards with her editor, then draws the manuscript
>Interview done, drawing now. her desk is cute and has a felted cactus fan gift on it, I think from a western fan?
>they're just having a nice chat while she draws, I'm going to get food and keep this on while I do that
I think this is going to go for a while and I don't want to miss the potential clusterfuck of the genderless men one. So it's bye bye to futekiya for now. This was cute and relaxing to have on while cooking. They have another later with Nacolat I am looking forward to.
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>>2875626
There’s a BBC interview that had Est Em (it was about doujinshi and hentai being problematic) and she pretty much says the same thing, it’s cute and fun to draw guys kissing
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>>2875680
Based as fuck
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>>2875680
I always knew I loved her for some reason. I miss reading her works.
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>>2875656
Genderless Men. Here we go.
>it's a fashion subculture built around the idea that clothing isn't gendered. ~2015
>does NOT indicate that someone is gay or trans
>"genderless" or similar has existed as a concept in Japan for years, eg. takarazuka and onnagata
>"moga"/"modern girls" in 1920's wore a degendered western-inspired style
>influences - visual kei, k-pop, 1980's American fashion
>genderless influencers:
>Toman, manager described him as genderless and the term became more mainstream
>Ryuchell - married to another model, articles with western media
>Genking - an early genderless influencer, but living as a woman now
>Satsuki Nakayama - "first female genderless model", actress in Kiss Him, Not Me
>Shouta Aoi - singer, VA, and 2.5d actor. influenced by Fish Eye from Sailor Moon and even voiced him in the Sailor Moon Eternal Movie
>Genderless in the Anime Industry
>anime was a big influence on genderless fashion
>showed some clips and described characters
>Henri Wakamiya from Precure, a boy "princess" who was saved by the magical girls. Wears boy uniform with girl necktie, very confident, first boy Pretty Cure
>Tamekou's My Androgynous Boyfriend - hetero manga about an editor with a fashionable boyfriend. Tamekou's first and only non-BL
>DaVinci magazine did a list of genderless manga characters
>Lady Oscar, Sailor Uranus, Haruhi Fujioka, Kyubey Yagyu, Ukyo Kuonji, Kuranosuke Koibuchi, Sapphire from Princess Knight, Marie-Joseph Sanson, Tetsuo from Yureito
>Last slide is presenter's favourite, Louis Kisaragi from King of Prism. A figure skater whose routines embody both masculine and feminine routines
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>>2875692
continued
>Q&A
>no exact genderless brands or magazines, it's just kind of everywhere
>lots of BL manga with genderless men, but not much is licensed
>could lack of gendered pronouns in Japanese help? speaker says probably not, more of a fashion thing really, nothing to do with pronouns
>BL hasn't necessarily influenced the fashion but it is popular in similar demographics
This panel was fine! Short and sweet, no hugboxing, nothing to complain about really. The presenter is running through it a second time so you can get in if you want.
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>>2875199
>>2875643
I manage to come into the genderless panel before it hit capacity and I will say...Mental anon is right to give it a chance not gonna lie. Its not some uwu enbie valid shit. It is an actual genderless trend in Japan panel. And the speaker did speak of it doesn't really mean anything other than a cool fashion trend.

The speaker spoke about the history of genderless fashion in history like the Modern girl (moga) trend from Japanese girls of 1920. The rise of Visual Kei, how genderless fashion is adopted all over the gender spectrum. Spoke of some genderless looking actors like Shouta Aoi. And then some anime boys that has those kind of fashion like Kuranosuke from Princess Jellyfish. And there is some talk of what people in Japan consider as genderless fashion characters through some magazines.

Overall informative panel, learned stuff about the fashion trend, other anons blew it out of proportion.

>The panel that everyone thought has potential is shit tier grad student bullshit
>The panel anons fight over is actually pretty informative stuff about dude's fashion trends.
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>>2875697
I thought every panel would be shit because I know how to use google myself
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oh my god can we go back to posting dicks
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>>2875697
>>2875696
Mental anon here, thank you both. I got home too late to join, but it sounds like I won my drink! Feelsgoodman
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>>2875706
What's stopping you?
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>>2875706
Can you be less homophobic and male organ fetishizing, for god's sake we have a pride going on.
MLM panels are a given here. Such a shame I won't be able to cosplay narusasu with my animal kin friend but (xirthey) this year but you guys are just as fun.
Is there a panel on ao no flag and given?
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>>2875715
For accuracy I have to point out the people you are parodying either hate or never heard of ao no flag (mostly the latter).
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>>2875716
There should be about 5 anons from these threads who are attending the con. Our sisters will let everyone know about our favorite manga
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>>2875709
Post drink
>>2875696
Scarlet Beriko panel!
>absolutely no recording or screenshots allowed
>she has a friendly face and very colourful hair, blonde with pink underneath
>working on the omake for volume 5 of Jealousy
>she's showing her rough draft called "neemu"
>show doesn't spend ages on face, it's just staging.
>she works digitally in CSP EX, "real G-pen". has a youtube video where she talks more about tools
>then she draws secondary sketches over those
>today she's drawing the final version
>her characters are based on Japanese models, she casts them in her head
>her fave character or couple is whoever she's drawing at the time
>she was originally going to work in theatre but fell into manga. she finally knew manga was her calling when she drew Asami's funeral
>she didn't plan for Jealousy from the beginning but Rogi captured her attention. she wondered why would he be that way, why would he do those things, and then his story began to grow in her mind
>she takes a lot of inspiration from western movies, Bonnie and Clyde is one of her favourites
>she doesn't read much BL
>her characters are well-dressed because she really likes western clothing
>she adds backgrounds after drawing the characters. she imagines her characters in settings in a somewhat cinematic way
>she designs sex scenes by watching American porn because they move a lot more and it's uncensored
>Will Rogi ever find happiness? She says yes
>her favorite trope is very open and willing bottoms
>she wants to make a Jealousy artbook
>she has no plan to draw a riba manga and was very surprised to hear how popular it is in the west
>her favorite part to draw is the torso, especially lean muscles and butt
>she likes female characters with looks unlike hers, especially with sharp features
>after Jealousy she wants to do a two-chapter sequel to Jackass with Miyosho as the MC
>SHE FREAKING SHOWED IT, looks good
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>>2875716
I hated ao no flag because of the annoying MC and didn't want 54 chapters of teenage "will they, won't they" drama. I skipped to the last chapter and it was cute.
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>>2875720
>someone asked her to do omegaverse, she doesn't like using worldbuilding other people came up with
>while drawing Jealousy she realized she likes "pathetic" and unpredictable characters, and wants to do more characters like that
>she works with dramas on in the background, she likes kdrama
>she reads more general manga than BL, she's been reading old stuff from 40 years ago recently
>she wakes up early, works out, works for 6 hours exactly, relaxes and works out more, and then goes to bed
>she used to work in theatre and has find memories of acting in high school, so if she did an acting BL it would be in a high school setting
>she is really happy that her manga is so popular internationally even outside of its original niche and knows there are BL fans all over the world
>she's a little confused about how in Indonesia in particular people hated the ending of Jealousy
>pandemic didn't affect her work much except she exercises instead of going out
>Two announcements
>one is the Jackass sequel, she's done two chapters so far
>sex scenes looking good, she showed them uncensored and the dicks looked awesome
>she also made a redbubble shop
>why do many of her characters have pointy ears? she's an devilman fujo is why
>her favourite scenes are kissing scenes
>she's a big fan of drag
>see prefers drawing older men because they have more varied faces
>her character Nozomi has the biggest dick, Natsuki moans the loudest
>she has no problem doing other genres but she likes drawing men and how they react
the stream is collapsing, there are too many people
>the translator's Zoom broke, everyone was screaming in chat to volunteer to translate while she laughed her ass off
>a kinky thing she wants to draw is shibari, she says tie up all the ojisans
>Jackass's sequel's fetish is voyeuristic
>she gets very sad when the dicks she draws are censored and is very glad when they are uncensored overseas
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>>2875725
>she says tie up all the ojisans
I love her so much
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>>2875725
continued
>she only felt embarrassed about drawing sex scenes 20 years ago, now there's no shame
>she doesn't really get burnout, she thinks burnout is probably a filter for being a mangaka
>doesn't care if her manga becomes an anime because it would become a director's work instead of hers, but she is curious what it would be like
>she doesn't want her characters to suffer, but she does like to make them face the consequences of what they do. but she likes happy endings
>it's OK to be childlike in how you approach your creations and stories
>she likes childish characters, especially for tops
>wrapping up, everyone complimenting her hair and smile
Well, that was fun! I cut out some individual character and bland advice/daily life questions. They were coming too fast and Zoom was breaking under so many people. It was rapid-fire, just a constant stream of questions.
I liked the part where someone asked "what question do you wish someone would ask you?" and she said "which character has the biggest dick."
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Since we've reached the bump limit and topic anon called it quits, does anyone have any ideas?

Maybe something on the topic of conventions? >Have you been to a yaoi convention or a BL related panel at an anime con?

My idea might be shit, anyone got anything else?
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>>2875727
>tie up all the ojisans
>no omegaverse
>devilman fujo
>wanted thirsty questions the most
She's beyond based, I forgive her for every time I wanted to throw my copy of Jealousy out the window. Now if only she'd draw a vers manga.
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>>2875733
She seemed really uninterested in riba when that question was asked but everything else she said was beyond based.
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>>2875732
I like it. Shame that thread didn't get made before all the summaries. Maybe add a bonus
>what panels and guests would you like to see at a BL con?
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>>2875736
I expect we'll continue our fujocon discussion a bit into the next thread either way so we may as well make the topic something related.
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>>2875735
Yeah, she seemed almost confused why it was asked even though she had just said she likes bottoms who are accommodating and want to do things the top is into. So what if the top said, "this time, you're gonna fuck me"? She did seem surprised to hear that it was popular here though. Who knows, maybe someday.
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>>2875729
I am wiped after Scarlet Beriko but I made it to the second futekiya panel. This one is a Live drawing and talk with Nacolat unlike the previous one.
Oh and at the end of the last one they announced that they've licensed Makuno's subverse manga. I liked Makuno's other stuff so I guess I'll read it.
>they're doing a giveaway of Nacolat's stuff on twitter
>her CSP setup looks insane, the right side is a literal wall of icons and shit
>what mangaka inspires her? Kasai Ayumi.
>she once bought a how-to art book by her and couldn't follow it
>she likes selfish characters that stand out, so blonde or curly hair
>her fave BL series is Canis, good fucking taste
>her favorite thing is OT3/Threesome, also ojisan uke with younger seme
>she struggles the most with direction and knowing where to go in her stories
>she's writing the names of people who ask questions with hearts
>she likes drawing ass and "other things from the previous panel"
>her favorite tropes are characters who are really deeply and visibly in love with each other
>her OTP of her own characters is from an arabian-themed manga she has on pixiv, not of her own is DekuBaku
>she takes pics on her phone to use as references all the time
>she wants to try drawing something a bit more violent in the future. in Sampling Sex there is Sakuma's brother who she thinks could have a bit of violence in his love life, but with a happy end
>she'd like to do a military shonen or seinen someday
>talking about her various licensed manga and their inspiration, most are from her life and things she's seen, like an area full of rundown shrines where she imagined the gods might need help
>she writes the plot like a story in google docs, then sits down and just starts drawing
>Nacolat's name comes from a place she likes spelled in a fake french way
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>>2875743
continued
>she hasn't drawn riba yet but she actually wants to, she was pleased and surprised to hear that Westerners like it.
>A brief discussion ensued about how some people in Japan don't like it and warn about it, but the West really likes it
>the best feeling is when other people fall in love with her favorite characters too
>she enjoys having international fans because they are very nice and encouraging and compliment with so much detail. she also likes how excited people get when she posts in English on twitter and enjoys working with the people at futekiya directly as a doujin artist
>she likes doujinshi work where she can write the ending as she likes, commercial is great too but sometimes she has to change things about the endings
>she has drawn a fantasy BL but it's not fully published yet. she wants futekiya to pick it up as soon as she is done
>she met the editor of futekiya Emma at J-garden, then futekiya approached her formally and she said yes
>the editor said she actually saw Nacolat's work online even earlier and specifically hunted her down, this happened before futekiya was even named
>she talked about not liking drawing backgrounds, she uses 3D objects in CSP as references. But if the right object doesn't exist, then you have to suck it up and just do your best
>she used to be a manga assistant for shoujo, shonen, bl, harlequin, yonkoma. All kinds of things but she doesn't have an assistant herself.
>she worked as a kimono maker before and would like to make a manga about that
>many jokes about anpanman x doraemon doujinshi
>the phrase "50 shades of anpanman" was spoken
>if she were to write an omegaverse, it would have to be beta x omega because their love would not be fated, but she would also do subverse DekuBaku as a doujin
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>>2875754
>>the phrase "50 shades of anpanman" was spoken
what
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>>2875754
>she asked what western fans want and the whole chat went wild yelling RIBA for several minutes flat, with a few shouts of poly/OT3, yakuza, and knights scattered in
>she was amazed and said that's top of her list now
>drawing over, turned out cute
>futekiya folks did a giveaway, it is still running on their twitter
Release announcements!
>Sampling Sex by Nacolat
>Please Don't Bite Me So Much by (?)
>The Nature of Master/Slave Relationship by Makuno, announced earlier
>Also, they'll be running their own event called futekiya fes on August 1st! More details soon
Less announcements this year, but it sounds like they've been busy behind the scenes. This was a lot of fun, I like these live drawing things.
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>>2875732
Seconding the topic
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>>2875732
Sure go with this topic if you want a lot of shitposts, not everyone is into this shit.
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>>2875732
I’ll second the Scarlet Beriko cover, but I don’t think the convention topic will make it into the next thread. It’s the final day of fujo on and we’re only on page 6, so this thread is probably gonna be around for 2-3 more days.
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>>2875692
>>2875697
Kimono fan anon here and I'm gonna sperge here but how are moga 'genderless' when they just wore western female fashion?? It wasn't degendered and absolute majority looked like a competely normal western woman outfit from the era. Sure the sillhouette was considered 'unfeminine' both in the west (tubular so no accent on waist) and Japan (allowed more leg room than kimono), but it was 99% of cases completely unmodified female clothes from the era. I'd argue geisha and kagema historically inspired more gender ambiguous fashion. There were crossdressing moga and onnagata were trained to look more like a woman than a woman but can crossdressing be called 'genderless' when it's faithfully dressing as one (but opposite) gender? Can you call all western 20's fashion genderless because the women cut their hair shorter and didn't show off their waists?
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>>2875814
>>2875816
What are your topic ideas?
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Tokusatsu panel is short and sweet, talking about some basic stuff and some era from Showa to Heisei and reccomend some Tokusatsu BL stuff which if anon is already into it would probably already read it. Short and sweet. I don't have much objection for the panel.
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>>2875732
This pic
>>2875736
This question
>>2875814
I agree for the did you go to a BL con question but I like the "invent a panel title" one because it doesn't have to be connected to reality. It's just to write something you're interested in in the style of a catchy or stupid panel title, for example - A Gallery of Evil: Monster BL Through The Ages
>not everyone is into this shit.
Not everyone was into abusive relationships or image edits or BLCD and we still had threads about those.
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>>2875861
How about:
What titles/ magazine would you recommend futekiya pic up.

Or something like that
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>>2875867
invent your own panel sounds like fun desu
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>>2875870
I have some respect for futekiya but let's not make it a company shill thread.
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>>2875873
This. I've come around to them in the last year, but I didn't like it when we had the Seven Seas link in the OP either.
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>>2875757
I arrived at the SuBLime panel and it looks like it's been going on for a while, wtf. I thought it was meant to start at 12:30 cst, it's only 12:26 cst
>going through upcoming releases we all know about
>the editor of Sublime just referred to the mangaka of MADK as she!?
>the gushing about Dick Fight Island is cringe
>Change World and Sayonara Game are apparently licensed, I don't remember them being announced
>went through release calendar, all standard
>MADK2 comes out in August and all of the yankees will be out by Jan 2022
Announcements:
>Links by Natsuki Kizu, April 2022
>Scattering His Virgin Bloom by Aya Sakyo, April and July 2022
Q&A
>talked about how some books got pulled from Amazon due to Australian politics
>Do creators proofread things before released? No, they are too busy (lol what)
The speaker didn't answer any of the more controversial questions and left a kind of bad or offputting impression. I didn't have much of an opinion before but I can see why so many anons don't like her. She should hire a media person to do these panels instead.
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>>2875889
What were the controversial questions.
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>>2875889
She's the lady who runs their twitter account lol. You didn't miss much. The whole thing was pretty dull.

>Do creators proofread things before released? No, they are too busy (lol what)

This is so absurd that question was asked because of Ike Reibun being upset about the spelling of charachter names in Dick Fight Island.
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>>2875893
I asked why their cover of Dousei Yankee is so ugly compared to the French and German editions ~
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>>2875889
>the editor of Sublime just referred to the mangaka of MADK as she
Probably just misspoke. These are the same people who misspelled Okujima’s name eve after he corrected them, I don’t put much stock in their competency
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>>2875895
To be fair to them, that does kinda sound like a troll question. Maybe if you rephrased the question like “why did you settle on that design in particular?” you might have gotten a response.
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>>2875709
I’m sorry I made that comment earlier, my assumption turned out to be very far off. Probably need to take a break from browsing certain other websites. And I’m glad anons were summarizing everything here because I had to work through the whole weekend.
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>>2875893
Things like
>Do creators proofread things before released? Because the mangaka of Dick Fight Island called out some of the names being mistranslated on Twitter
She only read out half of the question and gave an obviously garbage answer
>questions about license rescues and how they work were ignored
>questions about the gender of Ryo Suzuri, considering she may have just outed that mangaka as female were ignored
>interesting questions about things how things go OOP and why licenses run out received very incomplete answers if any
>any technical or business related questions were ignored
It was just incredibly basic and dull and it seemed like she didn't even like 3/4ths of the manga she was presenting. Watching her try to look excited about Omegaverse was funny though.
>>2875895
Based as fuck. Shame you didn't get an answer
>>2875897
You're probably right. He does look like a guy and all but it was weird. She should have apologised or corrected herself
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>>2875902
Manga updates says he's female so he's female regardless of his actual gender
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I will say this about SuBLime's editor- we've all been pretty annoyed by a lot of the shit she's said on twitter- but I hope to have as much fujo passion as she does when I get to be her age. The lady likes yaoi.
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>>2875902
Maybe Ryo recently took a trip to Thailand?
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>>2875907
Good for her, but seriosuly they should get someone else to run their PR stuff.
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>>2875909
You're right. I got the impression that there aren't many people employed at all. She did say that she's the only full time dedicated employee for SuBLime and even then she's not fully dedicated because she works on other Viz stuff.
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>>2875913
Do they at least have their own translators? Where I live the publishers tend to take their translators to speak on conventions, they can usually tell more about the manga and their work than the company owner.
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>>2875904
Literally said he was male until today though
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>>2875920
It still does?
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>>2875919
something that nobody asked for but was easy for them to license because of their preexisting relationship with Natsuki Kizu
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I'm pretty bored in this "Destigmatizing BL" panel. We've been here for half an hour and they're just covering the history of BL.
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>>2875931
Same here. Doesn't help that one of the frilly ones from the terrible writing panel keeps running her mouth about irrelevant things.
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>>2875933
I don't think this would be a bad panel if I had signed up for a history of BL panel, which I didn't. I was really interested in a discussion about the stigma around yaoi. I should have noped out when that chick said she's "Demisexual" or whatever twitter nonsense it was in the first few minutes.
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>>2875922
Not after Sublime changes it
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>>2875934
I get it, but I'd still have given it a chance. We've seen from other panels at this con that even the most straw-man-like speakers can present a good panel if they know what they're doing. I don't want to make excuses with someone's identity, I want to be fully clear on this:
This panel isn't shit because one of the panelists is demisexual, it's shit because it's basic, badly presented, off-topic garbage. The three speakers should have put the time they wasted making it look good into focusing on their research, writing a list of RELEVANT questions they want to answer, and gone beyond the surface level when it comes to answering those questions. If this was titled "BL 101" and was the first panel in the con, it would be ok. As a panel on destigmatizing the term "fujoshi", this fails on every single level so far.
It's not done yet, but they only have 15 minutes to get to the point. I am not optimistic that they will, and even if they do, they have wasted over half the panel talking about irrelevant things they could have summed up in one slide. Pathetic, utterly pathetic.
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>>2875938
You're right anon, I take back what I said about the demigirl.
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>>2875941
Maybe that panel killed my brain, but I can't follow this either
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>>2875944
did they ever actually talk about the topic??
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Yaoicrate panel is kinda nice, its cool to see some dude manage to get his new business going. While I won't be buying any yaoi crate but it is a legit industry panel and they are also talk about how they are having exclusive title that will be released with them first and announcement soon ect ect

I think I had a mildly better experience than you guys in Fujo stigma panel.
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>>2875951
Glad you had a better time than we did, anon!
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>>2875948
I don't think it did? It threatened to get a little more in topic, but I zoned out when the shitty writer started ranting about herself. Couldn't really concentrate after that.
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>>2875944
>>2875948
>>2875957
I think the characters are funny but action scenes are not her forte. Am I suppose to remember the 4 kids? It looks like they are going to stick around, maybe I should take notes
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>>2875938
>>2875889
Fujocon is over! I had a good time overall, glad I went. I hope some anons will see these posts and consider coming next year, it was nice to know there were secret anons around. These were my favorite panels:
>>2875286
>>2875346
>>2875381
>>2875583
>>2875692
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>>2875743
I'd say I went to more good panels than bad. Some were a bit basic but good presentation made them feel worth the time.
Next year, I want to play more of the games. I'm considering trying to put together a BL against Humanity deck for Pretend You're Xyzzy, including some inside jokes from these threads. Maybe we can use it as a thread topic sometime but I'm probably too lazy to do it.
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>>2875961
Oh, and one final note. Over the course of yesterday, I grabbed the first chapter of Hiromasa Okujima's new vampire manga from Bessatsu Shōnen Champion. If it does well, it might get serialized. Dunno how they work out if it's a hit, but consider dropping some likes on twitter or something.
>https://twitter.com/Bessatsu_champ/status/1403185216538165250
And here you go anons. Have a good one!
>https://imgur.com/a/SDrGKQe
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I am the shitlist anon. I was focused more on games and industry stuff than regular panel so I do miss out on some good stuff. Over all most panels are not that bad aside from the truly bad ones like the noncon one.

I had a fun time. Looking at how Scarlet Beriko work is so captivating with how she draw so precisely and the uncensored dick preview for Jackass 2 was great. I do not regret going here even when I intentionally go to the worst panels.

Unofficial shitlist rank from worth it to nah:
>What is Doujinshi panel: You got a discount and DLSite employees shill Goblin Cave. I like buying my fap material so can't argue with that
>Fujobait: Some actual interesting theoretical stuff here and history. Will be looking this up later
>Genderless men fashion: It is decent, less history and more talking about anime genderless characters but it is short. Sorry kimono anon I can't remember the details.
>3D people shipping: Goes into the laws regarding this and the real life idol horror stuff. Some serious cringe moments but it does have new information to me.
>Cliche in BL: Its exactly what it says on the tin at least there are some good jokes but a lot of it is lowbrow humor you have seen it all before.
>Consent in BL: The worst panel in this entire convention no doubt. Everything anon speculated is correct here but somehow worse.
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>>2875961
i didn't go to any of the games but maybe next time, how do they actually work? it seems like there would be too many players
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>>2875968
Depends on the game but there were at max about 50 people. The trivia games used a special quiz website so everyone could participate. Meanwhile games like FMK chose players at random from those who raised their hand in the Zoom calls.
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>>2875958
The 4 kids stick around and play their part later. Mostly every named characters does
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Thanks to all the transcript anons, I probably had more fun with your summaries than even you did.
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>>2875938
i don’t even see the point in saying fujoshi needs to be destigmarized. the only people that think it’s a legit slur are those that spend too much time with eng fans who are too lazy to use google and see that fujoshi is otaku slang that’s pretty normalized in japan
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>>2875989
I guess I should start to take note then

Mint= kid from the orphanage, made a gun
White= Rich kid
Jingshu huang= Brain damaged
Rickhead= ?

Also I this novel is just making me miss sci-fi homo more and more.
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Cute, thanks for sharing anon.
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>https://comic.pixiv.net/works/5735
Is it dead?
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>>2876184
It might update tomorrow, if not then it's probably on hiatus again.
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>>Also I this novel is just making me miss sci-fi homo more and more.
I wonder what happened to it. Is it because mecha genre slowed down and isekai/fantasy took over?
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>>2876187
>Kaworu and Rei have a child together
Don't post this fake homo fuck here
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>>2876191
Wut? Also that's manga kawoshin anyway
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>>2876192
>>2876191
Oh just saw the news. Kinda funny lol. Not sure why it matters much given the 53454354 continuities of Eva, though I don't particulate care of Rebuild or Kaworu.
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>>2876191
>Kaworu and Rei have a child
where did you read that?
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>>2876204
Not that anon but even though I used to ship Kawoshin I feel nothing when looking at his image. Rei that is suddenly a laughing average woman and Kaworu being straight or raising a kid like a normal human being are so OOC that it's barely the same characters. Hell, from the spoilers it seems they're mot the same characters, but a completely different iteration of them. It's about as believable as someone's poor self insert fanfiction, so I can't even get mad about it.
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New Dear Gene comes out this month!
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>>2876248
The face of a boy about to get uncle'd
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>>2876257
Is Trevor a Gregu or not yet?
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>>2876258
No(t yet), but we haven't had any new chapters in over a year now. It's finally coming back.
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>>2876258
Don't worry anon, I'm sure nephew will be laying eggs for him soon enough.
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>>2876163
I hate the idea of relying on cards and similar sites but it has a full list of the ccp characters https://cancipin.carrd.co/#listchara
I'll make a list for myself for the reread purposes
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>>2876248
I'm very excited about the riba.
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>>2876276
Thanks, but to be honest
>Huang Jingshu, Mint, White, Rickhead/Vitas
>Lu Bixing's Students from the Starry Sea Academy
It just tells me who they are not, I wanted to be able to tell tell apart. I don't have a problem with anyone else (Except some Chinese names which I'm not used), but the 4 kids all blurred together. I did went back to check their introduction, though so it should be fine now.
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>>2876282
I wonder if it's gonna be this chapter already.
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Does anyone have the files for the first four chapters of Dear Gene that they'd be willing to share? I was going to download them now that mangadex is sort of online but Daddy Scans left their watermarked version up there and their website where they had a cancer free version is totally inaccessible now without a password.

Please tell me the anons who did chapter 5 are going to be around to do volume two. I'm not giving Daddy Scans my credit card number or whatever bullshit they think they're entitled to to access their ridiculous website.

Maybe we should all email futekiya about the series.
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>>2876302
>anons who did chapter 5 are going to be around to do volume two
All I can manage with my shitty N4 is chapter summaries. I can't even give raws since I have no idea how to rip them. I'm so sorry, anon.
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>>2876302
I can help with raws and p.much anything else if no one is up for it. Is anyone in their cancer discord to tell if they plan to continue and if they're gonna keep their dox of purchase bullshit going for the whole vol 2?
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>>2876302
>>2876306
According to their announcement they appear to just be updating the website, so the password will be lifted some time soon. I'll reach out to the daddy scan staff to ask about the next chapters.
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Just do the same what was done to the last chapter of the first volume. They'll seethe enough to drop it
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>>2876311
>I'll reach out to the daddy scan staff to ask about the next chapters.

please don't

all I want is for this cancerous group to drop this series and then never work on anything good ever again.
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>>2876311
Why do you care about their opinion to begin with
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>>2876302
Last time I only sent them a badly cropped screenshot of my CMOA library and it worked.
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>>2876320
I'm not giving them shit.
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>>2876320
That's not how scanlations work or should work. If they want people to pay to see their shit or if they think piracy is bad, they can form a publishing company and stop trying to be both.
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>>2876320
Nice try daddy scans member, you aren't getting shit from me
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Pls rec me something that starts out wholesome but ends tragically.
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>>2876184
Sauce for Gojou fanart?
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>>>/a/223952254
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>>2876327
https://twitter.com/dmsco1803
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whats the best manhwa you have read?
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>>2876343 #
All About Lust
Other webtoons that, well they're not good exactly, but they did manage to keep me invested till the end:

Dark Heaven
Bj Alex
Guang Xiang
Playtime with Hakdo
Killing Stalking
Here You Are
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>>2876326
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=16392
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>>2876329
Looks like we're hated. Good, I'd hate for this thread to decend into that level of shitposting
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>>2876343
Wolf in the house. It is a good blend of sweetness, comedy and cheesy drama and unlike the other manhwa, didn't drop the ball with its ending or extras. However, I don't care about the second pair as much.
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>>2876361
As much as I like these threads and wouldn't leave them, I found the complains valid.
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>>2876326
Usagi no Mori, though it's not over yet
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>>2876397
Most of the complaints other than one salty poorfag were about /y/ overall, and no one should care what /a/ thinks anyway.
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>>2876408
They were about this thread because it was my post
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>>2876343
A Painter Behind the Curtain by MUNAMU. It's amazing compared to all the shitty gay porn manhwa out there (art/character/plot-wise).
It's in black and right, reads left to right and it's not the disgusting dead space webtoon format. I'll make a proper recommendation post for it in the next thread.
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>>2876329
>muh homolust
>muh fujobait
>it's everyone else's fault we're shit!
>does nothing to change the shittiness
Homothreads never change
>>2876410
You think daddy /a/'s gonna come save you when all he does is fuck himself all day? Cry moar
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>>2876414
>daddy /a/
Pls anon, /a/ is Mommy and /y/ is Uncle Gregu
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>>2876411
This looks good! I look forward to hearing more about it
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>>2876410
Let’s go through them then.
>twitterfags with awful taste
what a surprise. Go on, show us what good taste looks like then?
>suck off publishing companies;
Most publishing companies get dragged here, even in this thread anons are nothing but critical of sublime and renta. Only futekiya gets a positive word now and then and only for their manga selection, never for their business management.
>recommend given,
when was the last time your looked at the chart?
>internet personalities
Really, who?
>post 3dpd content
Where?
>and stuff about anime cons.
How dare people seek out more information about their hobbies
>You hate yourself if you are there
I think you just hate yourself in general anon, and these threads in particular for at least having some sort of decorum.
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>>2876411
I’m trusting you anon, those designs look so stereotypical
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>>2876329
What happened to homo threads? They used to be fun
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>>2876428
Shounen threads, pol and twitter brought a new generation over. So now you have newfags who are obsessed with spamming homo threads and the retards who can't ignore them
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>>2876429
As for twittegfags, if you want an example just visit a jujutsu thread and you'll be disgusted even as a homofujo
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>>2876429
>>2876428
Also a lot of anon in homo threads basically hate themselves or think they are better than other fujo, and spend their time shitting on series people like or want to discuss.
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>>2876428
It started with the clash of jaded fags and /pol/tards, not a scrap of self-esteem among them, and all of them blaming fujos for the misery they inflict on each other. In the last year, there have been slightly less /pol/tards than before, but some of the jaded fags have taken their place in the endless cycle of bickering and dissatisfaction. Twitter of course is the new tumblr, the bugbear and bastion of all things wrong and fujo.
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>>2876430
This. At least the chainsawfags were funny and trolled the mommyposters, the jjk ones have no excuse for their behavior. Good fanart and doujins though.
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>>2876430
>>2876433
All shounen thread are garbage, look at MHA or SSK. At least JJk thread post homo shit which makes the rest of the anons mad.
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>>2876425
>cons
Real life american events and panels of random twitter experts have nothing to do with 4chan.
>publishing companies
Seven seas link was just recently removed from the OP post, you also can't stop shilling Sublime and futekiya. I don't see people from other countries constantly posting about the manga licensed in their countries. And yes that includes the french, and we get everything.
>given
In the last thread. It's only recently been removed from the chart only after being shitposted about to hell and back
>3dpd
Can't stop /blog/ posting about your experiences that have nothing to do with BL, numerous posts mentioning how a real body of anon reacts, a few threads back someone kept posting 3dpd shit in the thread without a warning.
>shit taste
Unironically praising megumi to tsumugi, fickle jaguar, defending doukyuusei sequel etc.
I do hate myself but it's not my post so I can't answer the rest.
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>>2876435
kek imagine complaining about these threads not being perfect while you shill homo thread, which are 90% backseat mod posting and you can't mention anything popular every or it gets derailed.
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>>2876435
>wee woo wee woo, fun police in town!
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>>2876437
Ironically that's what killed homo thread, constant backseat mods that try to shut down any discussion they don't like.
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>>2876435
>Real life american events and panels of random twitter experts have nothing to do with 4chan.
The con was about BLand feautured BL mangaka, how is it not relevant to this thread?
Also, real-life has nothing to do with 4chan? Your aware there are other boards besides just /a/ right?
>you also can't stop shilling Sublime and futekiya
Your right, we should just submit and contend ourselves with daddyscans. And who the fuck is shilling Sublime? The only positive thing I've ever read about them was that their translation of MADK was o.k. Acknowledging that official releases (generally) do a better job than scanlators, and relying on them for content that isn't published anywhere else isn't the equivalent of shilling, it's making the best of the rotten choices we have.
>In the last thread.
Everyone shits on it save one anon. How is that representative? This thread largely turned against it a year ago (I think it was kicked from the pastebin in September?) and only remained on the chart until we had enough new content for a revamp since it would be pretty laborious to edit the chart every other thread. Pretty disingenuous to suggest it's largely recommended here.
>Unironically praising megumi to tsumugi
I don't like it either, but I wouldn't call it a bad title.
>fickle jaguar
And why is that one bad?
>defending doukyuusei sequel
Again, one anon. Nine months ago. Not representative.

Bring up your favs and I'm sure someone here will shit on them. In fact, as we know from the tierlists, CANIS is the ONLY BL that hasn't received a negative review here.

>Seven seas link was just recently removed from the OP
Genuine question, why was this removed? They actually licensed 3 of my requests.
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>>2876442
Based Canis
But the seven seas link wasn't removed completely. Op moved it into the license pastebin
>>2873282
Hey op at fujocon futekiya said to contact them with license requests here https://support.futekiya.com/contact/ so please add it to the license pastebin
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>>2876441
Exactly. The only good point is that non-burger anons don't post about their licence releases so I will post a list of Italian and Spanish BL that are coming out soon next thread to fix that. They are releasing some good ones
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>>2876447
Let's not. Info what got licenced is fine, but deliberately requesting titles from burger publishers only means everyone loses scanlations. This is not a company shill thread.
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>Italian and Spanish BL
Wasn't this rec'd a few threads ago.
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New visuals look good. How far will they go?
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>>2876458
>High school
At least normalfags won't fellate given anymore and move on from it
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>>2876459
normalfag here, these designs are shit>>2876458
given is still the best
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>>2876464
Doesn't matter, it will be praised as "uwu finally a BL that isn't rapey like all" by normalfags who never read anything.
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Not to shill for homothreads, because I do genuinely hate them, but the main reason our threads don't suck as hard as them is because we limit our discussion to BL most of the time.
Homothreads welcome and encourage discussion for fujopandering shows, which has cursed them into endless shitposting about homobait. If you want any proof of this, just try to remember any moment where people have brought up stuff like Ao no Flag, Yuri on Ice or Kaze in here. It always gets derailed.
That being said, I'll never go back to homothreads.
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>>2876455
Anon-sensei, anon-sensei! Can I go to the bathroom, anon-sensei? I need to go real bad!
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>>2876455
This, just letting others know about official releases is fine, discussing official releases is fine too. But shilling amerifat publishers and shitting up the thread with license requests is not thread related, such posters are welcomed to fuck off. I don't post about my country licensing shit because I know not everything revolves around me and the publisher in my country, and not everyone is interested in that.
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>>2876470
Omg so fanney, such a banger, bestie, share this sick meme with your oomfs on twitter.
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>>2876458
Eh, but not bad. Kinda bummed about the 2022 release date.
>>2876464
Maybe in stills, but when you consider the animation and art direction in general, it's pretty dull with monotonous coloured backgrounds lacking detail. A lot of boring composition, face close-ups with nothing but lip flaps moving and the character movement is kind of stilted (compare Akihiko's running sequence in the film with Shun's in Etranger).

Also, dorito chins.
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>>2876472
>mfw too stupid to understand half those words
Can you explain, sensei? You seem to know what it means!
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>>2876474
Omg sweaty, I'm sure your mootz (do not confuse with moot sama who created us) will explain if you ask them for help, but don't post johnny (do not confuse with Johnny entertainment!) because he is a toxic friend.
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>>2876471
>shitting up the thread with license requests is not thread related
if it's about BL manga, how is it not thread-related? and why would that shit up the thread? The Seven Seas survey has been part of the OP for over a year and nobody complained and plenty of anons participated. We've even had threads dedicated to voting in the Kono BL and Chill Chill awards.
Complaints about writing to publishers at this point are just shit-stirring from some /a/ inferiority complexes
>I don't post about my country licensing shit because I know not everything revolves around me and the publisher in my country, and not everyone is interested in that.
I'm pretty sure that's more to do with most of us being unable to read anything other than English. Of course, posting about French or German translations isn't gonna elicit much interest.
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>>2876473
>dorito chins
Ah yes, the dorito chin revival is strong. Soon the Inferno haters will all submit to the might of the Super Seme with the Super Chin. The 1980's will rise again!
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>>2876477
This thread isn't dedicated to publishing companies of any country, unless it's the talk about quality, the work itself, comparing works, or the announcements I fail to see how asking to request titles and just shilling the companies is relevant to BL discussion.

That's the point, you are unable to read foreign languages and you won't order our books, so of course we understand that and we won't mention it for a few other anons from the same county. You seem to think everyone knows to know about american publishing industry
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>>2876483
*Wants
The thread is called BL discussion, not american publishing industry requests and discussion
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>>2876483
>>2876484
>will not order our books
Serious question, did you not see the collections posted a while back on here? Most anons who posted had at least one volume in a language other than Japanese or English. When you say that you know anons wouldn't be interested in releases and licensing in other languages, it sounds like you are projecting your own assumptions onto everyone else. Aren't you the one assuming this thread is all Americans, even though this argument has been going on since >>2876425 at what would have been around 4:30 am in American time? Use your brain. You're probably arguing with Europeans.
Oh wait, I forgot, this is 4chan and we're all burgers here except one poor oppressed frog. Right.
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>>2876483
>I fail to see how asking to request titles and just shilling the companies is relevant to BL discussion.
This has literally happened multiple times already in these threads with titles like Etranger, Boy Meets Maria, Dousei Yankee and others. Some anons even tried to get My Influencer Boyfriend published after the scans stopped. Why is this an issue now?
>unless it's the talk about quality, the work itself, comparing works, or the announcements
according to the other anon that already counts as "shilling"
>That's the point
No, it isn't. the point is nobody would request licenses from a foreign company whose translations they wouldn't be able to understand in the first place.

Anyway, I don't know why we're even arguing since neither of us has the ability to stop anons from discussing it here.
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>>2876488
You're literally proving what that anon is saying: a lot of non-Americans are here, we buy stuff in other languages and yet I haven't seen anyone shilling french, spanish or any other language publishers. No one gives a fuck if it's not too pervasive, but posting futekiya and/or sevenseas rec contact in top posts is company shilling, not useful info for anyone who wants to read or discuss BL. American anons can very well write those recs on their own just like the rest of us do.
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>>2876488
This. I've posted about Spanish translations and companies before and anons always were cool about it. No one said it was off topic and we had some good conversations. French anon needs to get over the inferiority complex about Americans and just post the shit they like. I would prefer to see a French person bragging about their superior manga output than this pathetic whining. This is the last thing I will say about this topic though because the whole argument is stupid.
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>>2876489
>stop anons from discussing it here
Shit on the threads until they fuck off. Now that you've started doing the first part, keep on going until the second part happens.
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>>2876489
>>2876488
>>2876483
Third world representative here. I couldn't give less about french and americans and their printing drama. But yours requesting unfinished titles means that they will get dropped, they'll come out only in printed edition in america, and often there's no EBOOK version for many of the titles (delinquent manga by shoowa). I'll be fucked because I'm not going to import american books, and those anons who know only english will also get fucked over because for long ongoing titles it'll take years to catch up. So I agree with french anon because I don't want to see that here either
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>>2876493
agreed
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>>2876490
I agree, I'm subscribed to futekiya which releases ebook versions that I can access and rely on. I don't mind it being mentioned normally but not in the context in which anons are doing that.
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genuinely curious what they’re going to translate now since N+C is one of most popular VN companies among foreign bl fans https://twitter.com/jastblue/status/1404625554536419329?s=21
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>>2876497
The most popular modern BL games are already being translated by other companies. Perhaps a new Karin game?
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>>2876499
since lack of funds is what made them decide to delay lamento it has to be something guaranteed to make cash, and karin only has 3 games: the omerta series and omega vampire. if dmmd couldn’t make them money i don’t know what will
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>>2876500
They said dmmd sold exceptionally well. A BL game request channel was created only thanks to the DMMD sales.
The translator also hinted at dmmd being a hit. I'm very sure Slow damage will perform similarly
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>>2876502
Shut the fuck up already, shill. No one gives a fuck, you can go back to your little blog and beg your followers to buy your releases.
My sides, out of all places to beg people to buy their manga, he does it on a literal gay porn forum
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>>2876504
Meant for
>>2876502
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>>2876504
>>2876505
Sorry for jumping in, but it sounds like you might have some sort of guess about the identity of that anon. Are you thinking On Takahashi, the SuBLime lady, or someone else entirely?
>first is a snake and a liar
>second had (has?) a famous BL blog
I've been a little suspicious of that anon for a while now. If it turns out to be an actual company shill, then that's pretty serious.
Feel free to ignore, though, since this is genuinely off topic.
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>>2876497
I don't think MangaGamer's BLVN did too well either, did they?
>>2876503
Weird they didn't get Lamento, then. I wonder if N+C made them set higher targets than they should have, so the VN sold very well but still didn't sell enough?
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>>2876469
>homothread gets brought up here
>thread immediately descends to their level
They are truly cursed, I swear.
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>>2873570
Romantic Bitch by Madara Mada, but it's incomplete.
>>2876326
Lucky-kun by Takaguchi Satosumi. (You're the only person I've ever not recommended skipping the final chapter to!)
Birthday by Ami Sugimoto.
I think Nishida Higashi has some stuff like that too, but bad ends aren't my area of expertise.
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>>2876326
Dear Gene, probably.
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>>2876187
>I wonder what happened to it. Is it because mecha genre slowed down and isekai/fantasy took over?
That may be part of it, but I'd say the release of Star Wars might have had something to do with it too, especially after the prequels cemented the franchise as more of a shounenesque action story than an epic hero's journey type of thing. I could be talking out of my ass, but I've heard that it was massively influential on manga? I think we're due a sci-fi or at least speculative fiction revival sometime soon. Sci-fi is still alive in BL, though, and I'd like to see more of it.
Here are some that I've read:
>Shoowa - Nobody Knows/Non Tea Room
>Yamada Supokon - Replicant
>Yamanaka Hiko - 500-nen no Itonami
>Nishin Masumi - Host is Down
>Akagawa Sagan - Hate no Kouya de Vacances wo
>Ranmaru Zariya - Void (haven't read but am planning to)
Anyone got any more recs?
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i know daddy scans is the exception and not the norm, but are scanlation groups for other languages (spanish, korean, etc) as wound up about people not buying official copies like they are?
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>>2876516
Mangagamer has no right to complain about the sales, apart from hashihime, they released only Parade games and Hadaka Shitsuji. Room no.9 included a scat play and gore. BL is already a niche genre, so guess how many copies would such game sell in the west?
The only thing NTY has going for it is hairy assholes. The characters are unlikable and they don't even like gay sex. So I'm not sure about their target audience here either.
JAST promised to localize every nitro bl game at the start.
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>>2876535
Nah for Spanish and Portuguese, but the Japanese companies treat those scans differently to how they treat English and Chinese scans in the first place. I don't know about Korean scans.
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>>2876536
I thought Hashihime did OK, but maybe I only think that because I bought it.
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>>2876535
The only other place I've seen it happen is Japan. They had a fantranslation for Mo Dao Zu Shi going on for a while but because they expected proof of purchase it had virtually no fandom before the official translation. Japan is probably the least pirating country in the world, so that's not a surprise. If someone tried that in my country they'd get laughed at to hell and back.
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>>2876535
No, the translators are aware they're pirates so they aren't cosplaying as moralfags
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>>2876535
I know a few Chinese scanlation groups that request proof of purchase for manga and manhwa TLs. Some of the manhwa artists are even aware of it and don't have any issues with it.
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>>2876469
Eh I doubt that's the case, years ago the threads used to be fine. It's not like BL is a sign of maturity, just look at twitter. And given gets enough shitposting already.
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>>2876541
Not sure about it, but MG doesn't do any marketing, they just throw shit at people and hope they sell.
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is fakku the only place to read the official canis?
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>>2876555
No, I got it on Amazon Kindle and it might be on bookwalker too. Also, you might be able to get a physical edition from a comics shop, and could definitely order one online.
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Will Wayama Yama ever draw a BL?
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>>2876558
Homobait seems much safer. She's got the general public buying her manga, her manga is getting adaptated into dramas, and she gets josei manga awards
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>>2876558
Not likely, her mild homo flavored josei sell too well for her to suddenly go fullblown BL for no reason, why would she want to narrow down her readerbase. It'd be an unusual and deliberate twist in her career if she decided to do it. Plus these days canon homo is flying much better in josei magazines, as long as no sex is featured.
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>>2876529
Canna has this new sci-fi bl out called Black Blood. Not translated yet though. Also, futekiya has Mayrow by Iwasawa Midori
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>>2876529
Just finished Void, it was garbage. I should have known better, Zariya is a great artist but her stories don't do much for me. I thought that maybe this one would be better, but it was just melodramatic bullshit with a slight whiff of sci-fi. There are many good BL about androids out there, and this was not one of them. Even the sex scenes were unsatisfactory to me, and that's usually the one thing that's great about her. How disappointing.
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>>2876565
Oh, I forgot to list Mayrow earlier, but I've read it. Liked it quite a lot. Iwasawa Midori is a strange artist, but I've liked everything of hers I've read, at least on some level.
Haven't seen the other one before, but the art looks great! Thanks anon, I'll keep an eye on it.
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>>2876578
>iphone poster
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>>2876529
>Anyone got any more recs?
13Sentinels if you don't mind homo/bl in a non BL work. Can Ci Pin as some anons already mentioned it, I'm reading it is fine. Actually very strong world building and charming characters, though it's a bit confusing at times.
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>>2876584
Sorry to disappoint you, but I saved that image directly from MRM. Go save it yourself and you'll see.
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>>2875757
>the whole chat went wild yelling RIBA for several minutes
>said that's top of her list now
Anons did not lie. This woman has posted twice on her twitter that she's going to do a riba comic and also retweeted a fujo who was excited about it.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm impressed. Westernfujos doing God's work.
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>>2876558
I hope so, but I doubt it. I'd be happy if we get a single kiss in any of her books. Anyway, great timing, I was the anon who posted about reading Kimi ni Muchuu sa a few threads back and anons recommended Karaoke Iko. My copy arrived today and it was a great read! Waiting for her serialized series to be translated so I can buy them physically...hopefully...
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>>2876466
But they might start bitching because "ugh sexualizing teens? kinda sus"
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>>2876604
Glad you liked Karaoke Iko! It has an ongoing spin-off/sequel (not sure), so let's hope it's just as good. I'm sure someone will licence her soon, she's too popular for publishers to pass.
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>>2876609
Na they didn't do for given
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>>2876611
Because from the outside they pass as university students, these got uniforms.
Hell, they bitched that Etranger had "pedo enabling vibes" you think they won't bitch about this one too?
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>>2876613
That was one Twitter rando that got shat on immediately. Let’s not blow this out of proportion
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Has anyone here read something by Hongou Chika apart from Metro?
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>>2876473
I hate dorito chins so much
>>2876566
Agreed. The human guy was written to be so genuinely unlikeable I was surprised the robot came back to him. (despite that being almost the only ending possible in BL)
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>>2876604
>>2876610
As someone who hasn’t read it, can you explain what’s so great about Karaoke?
Also, is this BL related?
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>>2876617
Wayama Yama's deadpan sense of humor mostly. It's a very japanese style of comedy though, so it works best in japanese and not all people like it. In case of Karaoke Iko it's about a yakuza whose boss demands all his subordinates to participate in very high stakes karaoke sing-off, so one of them decides to enIist a high school choir boy to teach him to sing better. Frienship (wink to fujos) ensues. It's not BL, but all of her works have some degree of subtext that doesn't smell of bait, she's good at leaving it subtle without disingenous pandering and she's an obvious fujo.
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>>2876610
I hope so! I buy Taiwanese copies of the books and they're usually really good at licensing popular mangas asap but no news for Onna no Sono no Hoshi yet, even though Muchuu sells out a day or two after being restocked, bugger.
>>2876617
I don't know about other anons but I personally love the way Wayama Yama writes her characters (very endearing), and I am generally a fan of slice of life comedies to begin with. I enjoyed Karaoke for those reasons plus it's just a fun story to read, no shitty melodrama.
>Also, is this BL related?
Yes, I would say? She's said in interviews before that she is heavily influenced by BL and when she uploaded Ushiro no Nikaido on pixiv originally she tagged it as BL. To be fair it is very subtle, you just have characters admitting a crush or heavily hinted to like each other (via beat around the bush confessions or inner monologues) and that's it.
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>>2876578
Who says something like that? I don’t know, to me the author has irreparably fucked this dynamic, there’s just no way to make this work at this point
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>>2876662
When you say make it work do you mean the believability of their relationship or the enjoyablity of reading it? (or something else) Just curious
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>>2876662
>Hurr hurr I'm such a whore cuz my mom was one
Made me laugh. Trash writing.
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>>2876766
>>Hurr hurr
>Trash
So genius writing then.
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>>2876466
But mc is a problematic fudanshi which means he fetishizes gay men ugh so homophobic
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>>2876359
just finished here u are and goddd its fuckin adorable.

Some others I like are

Harukaze no Étranger
Love tractor
Shiba-kun to Shepherd-san
Sweet Spot (se yang)
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>>2876734
Both
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>>2876845
Harukaze and Shiba kun are manga not manhwa anon.
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With new chapters by Thanat, Kanna Kii, Sakura, and Takako in this month's line-up, vol. 53 looks really good. onBLUE anon still around?
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>>2876845
Are you 14 or something? Stop talking like that, jesus.
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>>2876880
Yup. Glad Stay Gold is coming back too. It's still two weeks until digital so I'll ask for requests at the end of the month.
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>>2876894
>Stay Gold is coming back
That confused me, what was was left to explore? The kid and uncle are already in an (ostensibly miserable) relationship.
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>>2876898
The brother and his friend were kinda left hanging, the uncle and the kid just barely met again. It feels like it ended in a break between two phases of their relationships.
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>>2876893
Yes my child?
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still the same shit thread god women are so fucking lazy
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>larping as a m*le
Why don't you larp as an OP
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>>2876904
Sorry there's no insightful discussions about how much manlier and gayer we are in comparation to women and or straight people like on the 100 Bara threads in the catalog.
Also multi post crying because someone posted a circumcised dick unprompted.
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>>2876456
the art i've found on google is great
is there any hope if i don't hable espanol
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>>2876931
buy the raws and offer it to a scanlation group? pretty sure spanish is easier to translate than moon.
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Crimson Spell had finally concluded after 18 years since its debut. Was it good anons?
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>>2876955
How did the story end? I quit reading 10 years ago
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>>2876955
It's disgusting. I hate love triangles
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>>2876942
I'd be willing to provide a quick translation for one chapter if you post it.
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>>2876959
Aren’t the black heads the same person?
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>>2876959
That's not even a love triangle, it's a threesome, no? Anyways, polygamy sucks.
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>>2876959
All the more for me, delicious 3P
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>https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1930697

Kek that was anon was right, they triggered by sasaki to miyano
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>>2877157
It's almost impressive how quickly it all goes to shit within maybe 20 posts. I just wish the retard bunch from these discussions stick by their critique and not watch it, less cancer for the series.
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>>2877157
how is it possible for both sides to contradict themselves with every second sentence? christ, it's like a babushka doll of dumbfucks.
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>>2876955
this gave me an idea. since nobody else has suggested a good topic, how about some long-form BL (5+volumes) that are actually good?
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>>2877163
I like the convention/BL panels topic. I feel like we've already had the long series thread already?
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>>2877157
Looks like a thread of people who don't read BL shitting on BL.
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>>2877166
Of course no one there reads BL, we all know the only gay content that's 'good' is imaginary one. Females drawing/writing gay stuff are always fetishizing and taking the market away from The Real Gays(TM), and gay people drawing/writing stuff is oversexualized, pedo, gross or full of internalized homophobia and these poor guys just don't know what's good for them yet.
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>>2877166
actually, I'm pretty sure nobody in that thread reads bl, or at least not the one currently being adapted.
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>>2877157
>Some "straight guy" shutting up the real fans of the manga and screeching "heterophobia" and how the mean gays are personally attacking him for stating their BL is heteronormative and unrealistic.
Is like reading 20 years of BL/fujo discourse condensed in 2 pages.
At least the last post offering spoilers seems to have shuting them all up.
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>>2876411
I’ve been reading up to chapter 47 and it’s pretty enjoyable so far, though I have a few gripes. One thing that’s getting extremely grating is that the male lead is OP as fuck. It’s really gonna suck if this ends in a “and then he got everything he wanted” ending.
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>>2876964
No, they are different people, a demon and a prince, but they look the same because of the curse.
>>2876965
I'm not sure, may be it is threesome.
>>2877031
Why do you like it?
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For those who give a fuck about Chinese novels
>the biggest mentally unstable translator accounts are having a meltdown after telling poorfags to fuck off and experiencing the wrath of Indian chads. And now the majority of the novels will be behind the proof of payment-paywall, just like daddy retards scanlations.

TLDR; the most popular chinese homo novels in English will be locked behind the proof of purchase.
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>>2877191
Yeah, the ML is easily the character I like the least. I found the ending to be "meh." Still one of the best long BL series I've read, and I'd definitely love to see an anime/drama adaptation of it.
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>>2877195
Nice, can't wait to see none of them getting popular again, and translations dying down when the drama queens realize their readership fell to decimals.
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>>2877195
can you tell me more details about it? Are Chinese publishers "buying"/sending cease-and-desist emails to English fan-translations again? Those who delete their translations only deserve getting them stolen by aggregators by the way.
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>>2877195
Chinese censorship destroyed BL
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>>2877199
>>2877200
https://twitter.com/blackboxtl/status/1405388319194697728
Yuwu translator and this hoarder started calling poorfags "fucking leeches" and other shit. A shitstorm happened, and now blackboxtl, who is a part of the new publishing house Via Lactose that does make other translators take down their projects in case they license it, announced adding a paywall on their site. I believe yuwu translator and others will follow, since attention whores stick together.
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>>2877202
* So if possible try to save the novels you are interested in.
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>>2877195
Made me check Can Ci Pin, it still is alright.
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>>2877203
That should always be the norm, if only so you can share them once they get taken down for whatever dumb reason of the week.
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>>2877202
They should get cancelled for being classist, racist and homophobic, where are the ants when you need them.
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Off-topic, but just wanted to say: Congratulations on over 700 post anons! We did it!
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>>2877203
thank you for the notice. Ive never read any of their projects, but I'll check them out to see if there's anything good.
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>>2877210
I contributed two posts to the thread!
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>>2877210
Where is the new thread?
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https://twitter.com/yuka_cchii/status/1405602464674496515 another translator has locked the translations as expected
My sides, posting it only because we are almost dead, I won't shitpost about attention whores in the active thread.
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>>2877234
My favorite part of it is that it hits both ways - apart from those that were already fans not many will bother to buy shit from the gloriously safe chinese internet, so the series popularity goes down. But lets say someone still decides to publish it- why would anyone buy an official version from a publisher, if they already paid for someone's voluntary work? I often buy translations of stuff I read for free, but apart from some ultimate favorites I sure wouldn't pay for the same shit twice. This glorious method ensures both that a) it doesn't get the free publicity, b) the pool of people interested in buying the work is cut between the fan version and any official version so the publisher loses anyway. But it's the kiddos and 3rd worlders that are bad.
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>>2877234
kek, I can only imagine how butthurt those who read my niche translations would be if I did that.
I once joined a discord server in my native language -yes discord=bad, I should have never joined in the first place yadayadayada- and everybody was having a good time sharing BL recommendations until moralfags got so triggered by people talking about or reading English/native-language scanlations and posting images without crediting the artist -even though anyone who asked for sauce got it- they started forcing their little agendas down everybody's throat non-stop, killing in the process any type of worthwhile conversation -of course the server owner and the mods just let it happen-. Before I left, it was nothing but:
>Moon literate members posting twitter links about Japanese BL news and what they last read -which nobody cares about cause they can't read moon, no shit-
>Filthy Junjou/Dakaretai/Sk8 fans or AOT/MHA shippers talking about doujins and fujobait anime
>Manhwa addicts saying "have you read the latest POTN omg omg"
>Buyfags showing off their latest merch/BL haul -I do admit their advice on buying overseas helped a lot of members-
The biggest irony is that most moralfags either left the server and didn't contribute at all, only shared twitter announcements of new English licenses and then complained about how nobody has posted in some channels for weeks, how the server's fucking dead and all. At least I got a few contacts to share some BL recs with. Please never let these threads die.
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New Thread >>2877242
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>>2877241
This. It's the worst of all worlds, basically.
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>>2877247
Thank you
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>>2877195
>Indian chads
what the what now?
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>>2877302
The Indian fujos are on another level. They don't read manga and don't give a fuck about anything but their dramas and cnovels. Don't fuck with the Indian fujos, don't get between them and their boys. They will end you, simple as.
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>>2877210
>thread 70
>over 700 posts
This pleases me
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>>2877325
God I hope they'll pester the holier than thou drama queens to the worlds end and back
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>>2877325
I'm very amused. Looks like the TLs are profitting off of forbidden translations too, in a sekrit section? Or that's what I got from the twitter convo.
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>>2877325
Give examples of their drama.
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>>2877355
2gether, the Untamed, SOTUS





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