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ITT: things artists do that you hate
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When they treat assholes like stretchable tubes that can extend outside of the body...Maz used to be pretty bad with that.

Also when artists get lazy and make a guy cum without any form of stimulus...like how hard is it to draw a guy jerking off?
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>>2929757
This is incredibly picky of me, but what I hate is when the artist draws a "ring" around the asshole. For example, in picrel. Like, I get the reason why the artist would draw it: to show /just/ how big the top's dick is and that the bottom's hole is getting stretched, but when I see it, it ruins would would've been a 10/10 image for me.
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>>2929757
Totally a personal preference, but I hate artists who only draw extra sleek, completely hairless guys with model bodies. Shit's boring.
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When the taint is missing. It's what makes a man's ass even more delicious to look at. Without it, it just looks flat.
t. drawfag learning how to avoid making this mistake
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>>2929765
Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the twiggy-looking bishie trope of yore. I'm just happy they're giving them just a little more weight or muscle, so to speak.
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>look at this totally normal young male character
>lets turn him into the biggest whore on earth with a 30x more femenine body and 10x more submissive behaviour
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>>2929757
>asshole looks like a puffy donut
>"realistic" flesh tone
>extreme muscles
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>>2929757
Artists having shit taste.like good artist always pick the worst charas.

Bandwagon on the bara/yaoi character of the month, say they love that character and never draw him again.

Drawing dicks bigger than they should.

Having no idea of how body works
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>>2929757
Giving every character a cut dick when it makes no sense for them to have one instantly ruins the immersion and makes me think of the amerishart artist instead.
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>>2929780
Agree. Cut dicks are just ugly.
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>>2929757
99% of gay porn being off-putingly explicit and fetishy
things like hole gaping, bukkake, even just weird stuff like emphasizing the asshole of characters in pictures
I find it all really weird and unsexy

or the other end of the spectrum where it's ridiculously dramatic and angsty with pretty boys who aren't sexy, and reads like a teenage girl's diary
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>>2929757
Not putting any effort into making the faces resemble the character even a little. It doesn't need to be a perfect 1:1, it will be different because of different art styles, but it shouldn't look like a completely different person only recognizable because of the hair or clothes or a unique feature. OP's pic for example, it's not 1:1 but it still looks like the characters, but in picrel he might as well be different person.
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When the art is hot and then boom, one of the canon males has a pussy for some unjustified reason
Pic obviously unrelated
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>>2929791
I was just going to make this comment.
I’ll also add a personal gripe for when artists draw characters because they're not familiar with because they were popular/requested on Patreon but don’t bother to research any of the character’s personality. The art misses the mark because it looks OOC.
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When they draw the dick bigger than my arm.
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I don't have a picrel for this but I HATE the new trend of plopping tits/pussy on a male character that happens so often on Twitter. It will quite literally be the exact original design but they threw on tits. Why?

I also despise the trannies that spam their AFAB shitty fics on AO3. I'll be reading a fic and suddenly the canon male character has a vagina. WHY?
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>>2929780
>>2929784
Opposite for me. Uncut dicks always distract me in art.
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>>2929792
>>2929807
Something something "representation" but we all know it's projection.
I too am tired of this trend. Really anything that comes out of western Twitter, like making characters ugly for the sake of it for example.
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Hiding simple variants behind paywalls

Broken Spines/Ladder Waist

Having a meltdown and nuking all their work. Bonus points if they come back and have nothing to show for it

Little variety with existing characters or spamming boring OCs

And don't get me started on the deformed dicks.
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Characters, regardless of franchise, reduced to socially awkward "uwu smol soft beans" that consider hand-holding too lewd.
I'm one of those types who likes it best when characters are still in character.
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>>2929807
>I also despise the trannies that spam their AFAB shitty fics on AO3
AO3 at least has the ability to filter out tags you don't want to see, but I agree wholeheartedly.
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>>2929817
>Broken Spines/Ladder Waist
I know about broken spines (I don't mind them) but Ladder Waist? Is that like when the guy is drawn with too many ab muscles?
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>>2929817
What do you mean by ladder waist
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>>2929772
This especially for androgynous guys that held masculinity to them. Artists either make them too much like a trap/femboy/boobless dickgirl or too shota. Pretty much drawing them off-model and hard to find good porn.
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>>2929772
>>2929840
For me, it's the inverse where they're drawn all roided up
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Chromatic aberration can be done well, but most artist overdo it and the piece ends up looking like an eyesore
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>>2929840
The worst part is those kind of artists never draw yaoi otherwise, only hetshit and futa. They only like yaoi if they can turn the guy into an underage girl with a dick.
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>>2929827
This >>2929825 it's uncanny and I don't know if a word for it exists.
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>>2929853
I just call it Yaoi Abs lol
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>>2929791
I have some understanding for this when styles are wildly different. It's hard to adapt an anime character to a more realistic look.
>>2929773
What do you mean by flesh tone?
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>>2929794
I can understand if it was a commission that required them to be OOC, someone is paying for it and the artist's are mostly doing it for money after all, but drawing a character for free even if you don't like him just because he's the fotm without doing research as you said is annoying.
>>2929859
Definitely, I am willing to overlook it if the art is really well done or simply clicks with me for some reason (the theme or something else), but if it not only looks like someone cosplaying as the character but is also ugly, then I just wonder why these artists think it's acceptable to share their art unless they're trying to improve which most often than not is not the case, the people commenting on it as if it was a divine gift from the gods certainly not helping.
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>>2929821
I think that's more of a problem in standalone art, if it's a doujin for example it may not be as jarring if they make it work in the story, especially if the canon would never address that kind of thing so how the character feels about it and would act is open to interpretation, of course, as long as it makes sense and doesn't completely disregard everything else about him.
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Huge watermarks plastered all over the artwork with a 20% opacity or a huge colorful logo in a corner. It's really distracting. But then I also don't like it when there's no signature at all or no way to know who the artist is or where to find more. It's hard to balance.
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>>2929863
When you put it that way, it makes sense.
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>>2929807
not only I hate "men" with vaginas (it's gross) but I also dislike characters with mastectomy scars
they have breast scars or wear a damned strap-on dildo...
it's more common than you think
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>>2929867
I feel like transgenderism is the new bisexuality
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>>2929840
In the same vein, drawing characters who are adults in canon as shota-like babies.
Example is Leo from BBB, sure he’s short but he’s in his 20s in canon so don’t make me feel like a pedo for liking him
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>>2929867
Truly disgusting. Nothing turns me off more than those scars around the tits. Project all you want but don’t tag it as a canon character because it’s not
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When artists draw a pale-skinned character as a completely different race: ie. black.

Alternatively, whitewashing canon coloured characters
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Feminine-looking/oversized nipples.
So much otherwise good drawings are ruined for me when they add them.
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>>2929817
>Having a meltdown and nuking all their work.
This, but not exclusively because of a meltdown. Personally I think it's worse if they nuke only one art or art belonging to one series (same for fics) and stay active, it just feels like a fuck you to anyone who liked that particular work and usually there's no explanation as for what that happened.
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>>2929880
Oh yes, even worse if they literally draw boobs yet even here on this board not too long ago there were retards arguing that they aren't boobs, it's just bara, even though there's a clear difference between bara and muscled pecs and boobs.
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broken feet/foot bending down
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>guy has an erection but his testicles are hanging loose
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I remember seeing one pic where a guy was getting a buttjob but his penis was bent back so only the top part was getting hotdogged

It's so easy to tell which artists are females who have no idea how penises work
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>>2929881
Same.
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>>2929869
basically
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When they draw the penis backward. Even in our drawthreads, I've seen a few where the head was backward
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>>2929971
it's because they are drawn by women
no man can commit this kind of mistake
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>>2929757
For me? It's cocks that are just grotesquely large. I like a big dick as much as the next guy, but there comes a point when it's just disturbing.
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When the dicks are draw backward. Look at you Sakimiichan
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When the dick is just... slapped onto the front of the body, instead of the abdomen sort of leading into the dick like it should. It's kind of hard to explain. It happens really often with more feminine characters
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Honestly, it's the fact the most artists simply don't know how to draw the dick. Especially most bara artists ironically. Like they know how to draw muscles and ass, but not when it really counts. Also I hate seeing the asshole being drawn off-center.
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>>2929765
I don't mind hairless dudes because a some porn stars and reference images happens to be like that, but the extra smooth, muscle-less anatomy bothers me too much. Not showing the body tensing, bending and reacting instantly takes away the intensity of an image.
Also since there are artists lurking here, for the love of god visit /hm/ or any porn site once in a while.
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>>2929867
So much art is ruined by those stupid scars
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Stupidly long or big dicks.
I wish there were more dicks that looked like they were naturalish
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I fucking hate the breast scars as well. also here's a fix to the shit
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Disgusting bara shit
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>>2930031
Orion's Jockstrap draws normal-sized dicks. Art is fap-worthy too.
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When an artist gives up on drawing legs and just leaves them as stubs
Always looks super lazy to me
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>>2930019
>Also I hate seeing the asshole being drawn off-center.
I agree, it just ruins immersion because I instantly think about how can they not know where an asshole is located. If it's just slightly off I think I can ignore it, but something like picrel is ridiculous.
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>>2930047
Exactly! That's what drew me to the dude's art. I even subbed to his Patreon because I just liked it a lot.
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Cuntboys, especially when they are canonly male characters, are disgusting. Hell even real cuntboys hate cuntboy art.
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>>2930045
Looks leagues better
If someone fixed the dumpy anatomy, that'd make it even better
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>>2929807
>>2929867
All this
I'm really sick of all this tranny shit infesting the yaoi community, I wonder what the heck is wrong with today's fujoshis who find all of that attractive. the worst thing is that this is even spreading to Asian content creators because all of a sudden you see all of that on pixiv and not to mention twitter.
And the fanfics are just as shitty
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the "big bara tits" meme was hilarious until they literally started drawing boobs instead of just big pecs. yes the pecs can be big but sometimes they put literal breasts that don't look like a big man's chest at all
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>>2930064
I haven't seen too much cuntboy shit on Pixiv. What little I've had the misfortune of seeing is done by a western Tumblr refugee 99% of the time. Thank goodness for stuff like uBlock.
I think it's all a cope by today's fujoshi crowd. Liking yaoi is considered "fetishistic" and bad, so they take the pink pill, so to speak.
The fujos of yore were at least honest about their fap fuel.
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>>2929757
Drawing shota; image set have character do the same pose and even have have the same body type.
>>2929772
>Deku normal
Deku was made to be everybody cumdumpster
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Turning a 30+ in 17-20 because you cannot draw older man or bara character. If they simple cannot draw the character for not have the skill for draw age variation, they shouldn't draw them. Is that so hard to get, fujos?
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>>2929792
I can see the appeal of a pussy. I don't think is projection but just wanting the couple to be able to "breed". I only like it if they have a penis as well, don't like cuntboys
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I hate that I can't seem to avoid seeing shota even while trying to, on twitter especially, some artists I really like art of in other contexts seem to really be into that shit too.

And at the same time I also hate that some artists are so fucking judgemental over other artist's kinks. Like, who cares if so and so are into incest, noncon, or if another draws characters who are canonically underage if they look nothing like children to being with and especially in the end drawing ? It's all fiction, get a fucking grip, people are allowed to like fucked up shit in a fictionnal setting, the consent is there in real life since we choose when to engage with it and stop, it's all made up scenarios to get people's engines rolling.

It's especially jarring coming from artists who draw very weird and specific fetishes, that would be really gross or impossible in real life. Like, dude, you're a furry who's into vore, who are you to judge ? And if you can separate your own weird shit from reality and run wild, why shouldn't others be also allowed ?
It's all so fucking dumb. I hate seeing some stuff too (I did mention shota) but at the end of the day people just have fucked up fetishes and fictional characters aren't people, they're narrative tools.

Just block that shit and move on. The internet isn't a safe space.
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>>2930075
I accept that I like the mpreg but even so I hate that a vagina gets involved that takes away the fun (i dont care the logic), and well I generally hate anything like futanari man or similars, i dont care if they have both, is still gross
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>>2930098
If I'm being honest I never got why you guys are so disgusted by vaginas. Like, I'm not into them either, but at the end of the day it's just another kind of genitalia, it's like just... a thing that exists.

If I see a drawing of a guy with one I'll just look at something else and move on. Or like, appreciate the rest of the male body.

It's almost as if a lot of gay men got formatted to express disgust at vaginas out of some kind of a defense mechanism. Kind of like how many lesbians express extreme hatred of men and dicks, all to express how "no, grandma, I won't ever find the right one and be straight".
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>>2930100
It is very simple, if I look for a specific content I want to see that specific content. This shit got annoying and hard to ignore because it just comes out in a category they don't belong in. And it's not that I hate cunts or have something against it, I just don't like the combination
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>>2930102
Yeah but you're probably able to ignore other stuff that comes up that you dislike and not make a big deal out of it. Otherwise you wouldn't be on this hellhole of a website.

It's healthier to just get used to it popping up everyone once in a while at this point. It's not going anywhere.
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>>2930105
every once in a while*
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>>2930075
>>2930100
>>2930105
Anon, no one is making a big deal out of it, sending death threats to artists or something like that, we're just expressing our opinions. Being able to ignore something or getting used to how things are now doesn't mean you want to see it and that it isn't unpleasant when you do. Disgust is too strong a word, some people are surely disgusted by cunts, but I believe for most it's just something they don't like and it's normal to not want to see something you don't like.
As for breeding being the appeal, I disagree, mpreg and omegaverse existed for a long time and I doubt anyone into yaoi want or think cunts should be included for male characters to have kids.
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>>2930110
Just for clarification, the post about breeding wasn't by me. I only wrote the other two you quoted. And if disgust is too strong a word, then maybe saying it's gross and you're disgusted like people did in this thread might not be the best idea to convey your opinion on the matter.
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>>2929757
When the art is clearly done by a woman cause she treats a man's asshole as this self lubricating vagina like hole.

Fujos that draw art like this deserve to get dicks in their ass raw too
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>>2930127
I mean, I've seen plenty of stull drawn by men that just acts as if everyone is lubed up in advance. Just allows people to go straight to the point.
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>>2930146
I guess that's true, I mean I'm not asking for 20 panels of lubing up. But atleast a mention would be nice

Otherwise anal just makes me think of how much pain the guy must be in getting rawdogged
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>>2930100
Even more simple: Because we are gay that we enjoy cocks and ass. Not straight or bisexual that enjoy vagina. Simple as that.
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>>2930105
> oh no, don't you call vaginas gross that's not healthy wahwah get used to vaginas that's healthy

You sound like a fucking tranny anon I don't have to get used to something or tolerate it. If I complain about that shit because it is what bothers me the most of all the annoying things that I see in the yaoi
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>>2930014
kek that penis is sprouting directly from the ballsack rather than the abdomen, looks like a phallus with a deformity at the base rather than normal dick and balls
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>>2930114
One person said cuntboys disgusting, two said they're gross, you can assume their opinion extends to vaginas in general yes, but that's not relevant since you're unlikely to find a real woman when looking through yaoi art unless the artist draws straight porn too and that's only 3 of the 7 people who mentioned the topic here (including you and me). Regardless, there's not much point to this discussion, combine what I said in my previous post and what >>2930102 and >>2930184 said and you'll understand why people find it unpleasant to see vaginas when they're looking for yaoi art.
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>>2930192
Not only that, it's right above the left testicle rather than being at the center. If they moved it a little up and to the right it would look mostly fine probably.
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>>2929867
Fucking this
It was a meh thing in the beginning but now you just have to hope they actually drew it normally, keep it to yourself or don't fuck it up by slapping that shit in
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Not for art but for fics: when a prompt sounds like something you'll like and then it's alpha/omega, or ftm character.

I even actually like cuntboys but I don't understand why they're in the m/m category on Ao3.
Like if there were futas in f/f shit wouldn't fly
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>>2930199
>>2930184

Again, there's a difference between finding it unpleasant and it being such a big deal you need to bring it up in a thread dedicated to the one thing that annoys you more than anything.
And there are gay guys who don't mind vaginas, and whose attraction is based more on the male form than the genitals, you're oversimplifying sexuality and it seems more and more to just be because it annoys you that trans men might be included in things, because you yourself aren't attracted to them. Kind of a dick move.
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Most bara produced by gay men disgusts me on a visceral level. Especially Western.
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>>2930205
Okay, so you just wanted to bring up trans rights, fluid sexuality or whatever, got it. To answer you though, did it occur to you that it just so happens that there's nothing else that annoys those people and so that's the only thing they could mention in this thread?
Also no, there aren't gay guys who don't mind vaginas as in they'd have sex with someone who has one, they are either bisexual or any of the other terms people came up with, no need to call themselves a term that has been used to refer specifically to men born with dicks who like other men born with dicks for many decades, that's the real dick move instead of just creating a new term for them, sexuality is complex according to you isn't it, so why try to fit two different kinds of people into a single term, that's simplifying things. Now please, stop trying to ruin this thread with this kind of discussion, you're losing it because of what 3 of the 42 posters in this thread said.
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As a bisexual guy that visits the /y/ often I love seeing a fucking vagina debate, eventhough I may like both when I visit /y/ I'm not here for vagina. That doesn't mean I hate women, nor do the gay guys that don't want that shit here.

If you go to a vegan restaurant and you get a fat slab of meat you'd be fucking annoyed. It's simply something that's not related to /y/

Even "cuntboys" are just pre op trans men who aim to get a big ol' DIY cock in the near future
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>>2930205
>And there are gay guys who don't mind vaginas, and whose attraction is based more on the male form than the genitals
They cheated on you anon, these are just bisexuals who want an easy pussy. And please stop your "please don't badmouth vaginas UWU and accept them, you're not a real gey for not eating them" shit. If you are the idiot who does not tolerate being said that they are in a forum for gey content (in a thread to talk about shit that we hate) you should not be here return to twitter
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>>2930110
Omegaverse comes in different flavors and I always found ass babies uncanny valley thus I ended up preferring men with pussies as long as they have everything else and are mentally a man i am good
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>>2930215
Just go to the Yuri threads and post futas, I mean it's still a woman dude come on
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>>2930077
>incest, noncon
(and “pro-ship” pairings)
I love these kinks but I have a separate Twitter for that stuff since I’ve seen other artists hounded off of the internet for even suggesting they like it

>>2930066
As a hot-blooded fujo, I like cock and hate pussy so why the fuck would I want to see a man with a pussy?
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>>2930219
I don't get why people like futas and cuntboys If tomboys and strap-ons with fake cum exist.
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>>2930224
Cuntboys is the one that gets me as most transitioning would see that as the middle stage they wanna get away from asap.

It's all just so dumb.
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>>2930224
Because is not real. Dildos, strapons or whatever can't replace the real thing.
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>>2930225
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>>2930215
I don't eat pussy either you retard. And I never said you weren't truly gay if you didn't eat vaginas. You just don't get to define gayness for everyone.
I'm done trying to explain shit to you. Artists just don't have to cater to you specifically.

>>2930214
Many trans men never get bottom surgery, it's a very heavy procedure that has a high risk low reward ratio. Also we weren't talking about /y/ specifically but about artists. There already aren't guys with cunts on /y/.
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>>2930154
This. I always add a few sentences to any m/m fic I write showing the lube/prep since it’s a very important part of foreplay and sex
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>>2930228
Funny how Japanese Twitter rarely seems to have drama about this. I stick on that side 99% of the time
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>>2930234
There's some beauty to it, westerners with underdeveloped brains yelling at Asian artists with no sense of irony
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>>2930223
Based fujo
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>>2930223
Based smart fujo artist, keep the good stuff coming and ignore the retards desperate for attention.
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>>2930230
Bisexuals aren't gay, trans aren't gay, why bother trying to mix two terms instead of using one of the new ones already created or creating another? No one here asked for artists to cater to them, this is a thread to talk about things they do that we don't like, that's all, stop blowing things out of proportion just because someone said they don't like cuntboys and want to see men with dicks when they search for yaoi art.
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>>2930223
me too fujo sis me too <3
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>>2930252
The bigger /y/ seems to get the more people ignore the sticky thread which literally states this flat out
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Not a fan of monster cocks. It just tends to look ridiculous 95% of the time. It's even worse when the body is drawn really hot but the dick is like 3/4 the size of an arm.
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>>2930256
Sometimes they get angry and immature when you point that out
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>>2930223
From one fujo to another, based
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>>2930257
I was looking for a pic's source earlier today and saw this pic where the cock was twice the size of the guy's whole body, monster cocks are already off-putting, but that was beyond ridiculous.
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I fucking hate it when someone does really good art and then suddenly, they'll come out of the closet and announces that they are now drawing shota.
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>>2930230
And those transmen are disgusting. Why bother do anything if you're not actually wanting to be a man. Just dress up and call it a day, fellow idiot LGBT members will just clap and say they're so brave anyway. Why do fellow transmen who are going for full op meant to just "accept your vagina" and if they don't they get canceled.
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>>2930297
MachoJuice did this but she got exposed in the closet and turned insane afterwards.
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>>2929757
Censoring but hey it's Japan's laws. Why bother when it's full blown explicit porn? They can't handle the full dick? It's pretty stupid.
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>>2929757
When they draw one picture with 136 variations
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>>2930301
Maybe she was always insane.
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>>2930305
I agree it's stupid especially in cases like your pic, those black bars censor basically nothing and that's why this is the least offensive type of censoring to me, followed by mosaics because you can still see something and fill the rest with your imagination, the worst offenders being light sabers, might as well just draw from an angle that doesn't show the dick at that point.
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You follow and like an artist for years and they end drawning, liking reblog non-stop guro or vore.
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>>2930341
Examples? For me it's usually them ending up drawing shota.
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That they make the faces almost all the same, when they draw the asses or the dicks so exaggeratedly large (that is, big are good, yeah, I like big dicks in my asshole but So exaggerated, really?), and when always, always, always draw or follow some shipping cliché of the fandom in turn and force it everywhere in their draws
For obvious reasons, I don't have picrelated like half of the photos in this thread
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>>2929959
Pretty sure that's normal anon.
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Gay (asian) artists who draw this same character, over, and over, and over, and over and over again. I'd really like to see more varied character designs and concepts but it's always the same short-haired guys with some light facial hair, no matter what the concept behind the character is.
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>>2930361
Western too. Fuck the excuse that they do for draw more easier! Is the fucking same character over and over with different hair colors!
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I feel like a lot of bara art recently has been kind of exaggerated to the point the only way I can describe it is "feminized." Dudes with huge tits, massive ass & hips that make their waist look tiny. I get how some people could like it but personally it's just very eh
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I always seem to dislike the extremes.
Someone with muscles like a body builder? Sure. Muscles like a Weight Lifting Champion? Forget it.
Dick long enough to touch their belly button? Sure. Long enough to touch their nips or chin? Far too far.
Even twink is fine to me, but dont bring in this flamboyant sissy guy that has to tell the dinner table not only how often they get pegged, but by how many different guys.
And then you have the insane and gross exaggeration of detail like the current anon spamming that horror in the flaccid dick thread...
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>>2930100
>comes onto thread specifically talking about things you dislike in art, tells everyone to just not look at the art if they don't like it, takes time to comment people should just not look at it and move on instead of just not looking at it and moving on
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>>2930105
what is the problem with making a big deal of things you don't like?
everything has turned to shit nowadays because of hand-wringing, over-complacent daisies like you
you'll accept any old shit
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>>2930199
how do we know you didn't post those comments to have an excuse to whine?
"whaaah one person said something, you all clearly need my divine guidance"
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>>2930199
whoops, this >>2930404 was meant for this >>2930205
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>>2930205
oh shut the fuck up
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>>2930359
Except it's not? Your nutsack scrunches up when you're having sex in order to protect the testicles during physical activity.

>>2930361
Someone should do a comic on the Adventures of Yaoi-San
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>>2930230
>You just don't get to define gayness for everyone.
isn't that what you were trying to do?
word has meaning, people use word for that meaning, you come along tell everyone to use word differently than meaning, accuse everyone else of trying to define gayness for everyone
O.o
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>>2930361
For me, it's seeing this hair over and over again
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>>2930372
this is very true, the absolute standard for bara for me was always the men from honeycomb bingo
but like you say, a lot now looks like a muscle hunk drawn to look like a hannah barbara woman
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>>2930415
You hate it with all of your heart, but the only appeal of homosexual relationships now its the femininity of men, nobody gives a shit about masculinity (except some bullied teens), no matter how much you screech.
Even to the point where bara the "super masculine homo genre" mutate to "men with milf proportions".
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>>2930434
..you need lessons on how to troll. that was pitiful
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>>2930434
>nobody gives a shit about masculinity
Except all the anons saying they dislike feminine traits in this thread or all the anons posting masculine men in the various threads on this board. Feel free to believe whatever you want, but you're wasting your time trying to push that narrative here, all it takes is one look at this board's catalogue to see all the different things that people find appealing in yaoi (the fictional stuff, no one is here for irl homo relationships).
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>>2930437
Only on this board and on the bunch of bara communities, literally all of the rest its just "flat futas" and "kiddie porn" or twinks at best, you're insignificant, even companies know that macho man don't sell.
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>>2930410
The fact these are all EnStars characters made me laugh
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>>2929872
In this case though, Klaus is built like a fucking orc. Leo's actually drawn like one of bootyelectric's normal guys here
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>>2930301
She started drawing Rick and Morty incest porn, at this point it's not even shota, it's just gross out shit done for the whole purpose of being subversive. I can't even really be mad it's so retardedly edgy and dumb.
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>>2930446
She nuked her online presence to be edgy? Damn that sucks.
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>>2930434
Someone saying "I get how some people could like it" doesn't sound like they hate it with all their heart lmao
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>>2930436
It was pitiful, but /y/ is really gullible and it got multiple (You)s anyways
Also I don't like artists pushing their OCs when their designs are pretty unremarkable
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This talk of cuntboys reminded me of a FF12 fic I read over 5 years ago that had genderbend Vaan. At first that made me not want to read it, but later I decided to give it a chance since the main couple was Reks x Rasler and the story was focused on Reks, it turned out quite good and Vaan sex was forcefully changed by Vayne because he was the descendant of a goddess or something from what I gathered from comments, so since it was magic stuff and up to where I read he was near a mental breakdown due to that, I hoped he would change back. Point is, the author had deleted the fic at some point and rewrote it to add more foreshadowing to things in the earlier chapters, but then abandoned it not long after he started posting it again. It pisses me off, because you still see people commenting on the last posted chapter from time to time hoping it will be updated or that the old version gets reuploaded. Why nuke the old version if you're not going to commit to the rewrite? For all I know it might have been completed already and this attempt at a rewrite just made it impossible for anyone who didn't read it at the time to ever read it. Artists and authors doing this kind of shit is really annoying.
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>>2930534
Anytime authors or artists nuke everything is the worst. I am guessing this is the story you were referring to? archiveofourown.org/works/9787940/chapters/21980786
Regardless, I have had no less than 150 stories deleted without reason, another 250 erased to "make better" without even 2 chapters reposted before they stop forever.
And fewer then 70 that just get orphaned so their name is no longer attached, but the story at least stays around.

And of course this isn't just stories. Art gallaries are notorious for this as well.
Like they don't realize that while they are the creator, other people like to enjoy them too. As if only the person who plants the tree should get its shade or beauty. Only he who dug the pool should be able to laze in the water?
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>>2930575
Yes, it's that story, even though it will likely never get finished, I still recommend it for anyone who might be interested if for nothing else, at least for being a rare story focusing on Reks and Rasler who have almost nothing going for them in the game.
This isn't the most recent example of this kind of thing that happened to me though, it was a Haikyuu fic about Ushijima x Iwaizumi and Goshiki as a child they adopted called "can't do it without you" by minami_meri, it was really good, every chapter was also quite long. I had read 10 chapters and decided to wait until it was completed to read the rest, the last time I checked it had 16 chapters, then one day it was gone, no explanation or anything that I could find or it saved somewhere, probably wasn't finished either.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, this kind of thing is a big fuck you to the fans of their work, even if for some reason the creator doesn't like their work anymore, how can they not understand that there are people who do? I think it's understandable if it's a case like I saw in the LoL thread about a guy who used to draw nsfw art of the game and deleted it when he was hired by Riot, but I doubt that's the case for most creators and like you mentioned, on ao3 you can just orphan the fic and detach your name from it, isn't that enough if they're doing it because they became a "real" writer or something? I don't know what goes through their minds, but I know of one author who deleted some of their fics because she didn't think they were good anymore, which is stupid, it's already there, plenty of people read it already, what's the point of getting rid of it now, just pretend it doesn't exist if it bothers you.
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>>2930100
> If I'm being honest I never got why you guys are so disgusted by vaginas.
Not disgusted, but vaginas basically on/in women. And if I wanted to see naked women - I would not hang in /y/.
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>>2930575
I somewhat understand the orphaning works thing since some writers don’t want to associated with “problematic content”. But that’s the reason I have a separate account for all that nasty shit.

I hate coming back to a bookmark and finding the page/account gone. I’d never remove a story even if I rewrote it. It’s like an archive of my former self.
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>>2930578
SO many good stories are lost that way. Good art too. I remember one guy I went and favorited like 50+ pieces of art they made, and they actually got angry for me favoriting them (because he got a notification for it?). Actually told me to delete the favorites. Two years later, he nuked his entire archive and when people questioned, he said it was for only his "fans" now. When I messaged him, he called me a "follow creep" and blocked me from messaging.
People are insane.
And then there was a very weird Zelda BotW Fanfic I was watching for a while. Author had to put a disclaimer because people were getting sick from some of the extremes she threw in (detailed gore, rape, etc...) and she would often (4+ times within two actual updates) "update" the most recent chapter with just an AN. Then she nuked the entire story (70+ chapters, over 500k words) to "rewrite" it, exclusive for Patreons. When people called her out, she decided to put it up on AO3 again, but wanted to "improve" it so was doing only one chapter a month. I dont feel like waiting 6 years for new content. After calling out the numerous ways she was being stupid, she then made an AN chapter calling me out. Talking about how "mean" I was. Funniest thing is, she keeps updating and keeps that AN at the far end chapter so everyone can take a look at how "mean" I am.

>>2930583
I think part of the issue is that AO3 doesn't exactly make Orphan Accounts known well. But I also know there are just too many "authors" that have no idea the negatives behind deleting works. Like that they will never be the same (or in most cases, better than they were), or even updated to where it was when it was nuked. It loses all the comments, bookmarks, etc. Honestly a shame that if I remove all the categories in my bookmarks, I just see a graveyard of 150+ bookmarks with the work deleted. But FFNet, I have no clue at all, I know I have gotten past 5k multiple times in the past but currently I am at like... 4300.
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>>2930583
>It’s like an archive of my former self.
This is something I've thought while checking the old works of artists I follow on pixiv, it's interesting to see how their style changed over the years, how they improved and what kind of things they liked in the past. Even if you were really bad at drawing, I don't think that's something to be embarrassed about, it should make you think "wow, all that hard work was worth it" or something instead.
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>>2930590
Luckily I never had that problem with bookmarking because I use firefox's bookmarks instead of ao3's out of habit and because it's more practical to keep all my bookmarks (sites, fics, mangas, art) all in one place that is also easy to backup, which is why I still have the bookmark and could find the name of the nuked fic I mentioned previously to check if someone had saved it. I'm also lucky that I save the fics I like and upload on drive as backup, so I still have those 10 chapters I read despite it most likely not existing on the internet anymore.
The author of that Zelda fic is really insane, if she wanted to put a fic behind patreon why not write a new one? Even without that crap, if someone decided to rewrite a 500k words fic to "improve" it, you can bet your ass I'm dropping that shit, the time wasted rereading their improvements would be better spent reading other fics.
This reminds me of a fic I read, it was around 13k words I believe, it was supposed to have three chapters, I normally wouldn't have read it because it was threesome, but I made an exception that one time because the summary interested me enough, then at the foot notes the author said they weren't sure if they were going to continue the fic, I don't remember why, because they were insecure or something who knows, point is they could've said that on the head notes and I wouldn't have wasted my time reading it, I was so incredulous with that bullshit that I could only laugh.
Regarding nuked stuff though, it sucks that we need to save and backup pretty much everything on the spot nowadays just in case it gets nuked, which doesn't help when I'm waiting for a long multichapter fic to be completed before I read it, though nowadays I don't read as much as a few years ago and I'd rather not even start before it's completed, so that if it gets nuked I'll feel less disappointed.
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>>2930593
Yeah, that Zelda fic...
The author was getting so bad with how graphic they were making the story that I had to stop reading it for a while. I think I only read through chapter 55 of the 70+ chapters. And then when they purged it, welp it is gone forever.
Even after they "reuploaded it" they were only going to give non-payers the first 5 chapters. After people started mass commenting on the fic about how stupid a design that is (not to mention illegal technically), they backed down... but not before deleting those chapters Again. Because that also deleted the comments that ridiculed them, you see.
Mine isnt as easy to erase because it is in chapter 1 so they would need to delete the whole fic to get rid of it without a mark to say t was there.

And all those chapters I will just never see because of my habit when getting new chapters. When it updates, I reread the previous chapter to get my mind back into that fanfiction. After having to read about the brutal rape of Link at the hands of Moblins for the fourth time, I just had enough. And it was 4 times because the stupid girl kept making AN chapters that I didnt realize were ANs until after I reread the last chapter.

Really gets me irritated that we have to back up everything immediately or lose it forever. Still have a sideproject I am trying to solve (although probably lost forever) when an author died from an illness and someone "hacked" ther account and deleted everything apparently. Was suppose to be a good story called "We are the Smashers" or something, but even close friends have no idea what happened to their accounts.
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>>2929763
psst
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>penis is drawn a million shades darker than the skin
i see this so often in a lot of japanese art.
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>>2930408
lol what? testicles get tight/loose based on a ton of factors
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>>2930467
I love this couple but I hate

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how they're always in the same role. I love to see artists mix up their tops/bottoms from time to time
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Over exaggerated dicks are an instant turn off for me. Over exaggerated proportions in general, but giant dicks especially.

I just want realistic body types.
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>>2929816
>>2929807
I mean trans stuff does nothing for me, but it could just be that's what the artist/author is into. Not everything is about winning internet points.
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>>2930408
That's...literally not true at all
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>>2930713
Depends on how much darker you mean, but asians dicks are darker than their skin from what I've seen in porn.
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>>2930759
Not him, I don't know about other factors, but I imagine intense sex would make them hang loose because the body will be too hot.
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>>2930794
Whatever turns them on, I guess.
I'm vanilla anyway, so shit like mpreg and omegaverse also turns me off.
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The only thing I hate is artists doing the "I don't know how to draw anything over 20 yo".
Right now I watch everything with "oversized normal" dicks and muscle so I don't have to deal with over femme bottoms
Robokeh and Wolf con are perfect right now for me
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I wish Western fujos would stop inundating yaoi tags with literal straight shit. I prefer not seeing my timeline full of tits and vagina while collecting /y/ art. Genderbending is the worst.
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>>2931049
Good luck trying to get it through their heads.
I remember coming across a "yaoi" gallery where one of the dudes was given a prolapsed vagina and I still can't scrub that image out of my memory.
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>>2931049
This. Also when artists choose to put their female artworks under yaoi tag. Picrel
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>>2931083
I think that's more an issue with Sakimiclones not knowing either English or Japanese well
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>>2931049
>>2931052
What you're talking about is usually just tranny shit. It's gotten pretty popular in the west for some reason.
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>>2931049
More like fake fujos, because I refuse to believe a real fujo would be interest in this crap and share it with a tag it doesn't belong to. It was also said be some on this thread, see >>2930223, >>2930253 and >>2930292
>>2931097
Doubtful, that pic is just like what I've seen before, artists using unrelated tags for things. I remember looking for Itto art right after he was revealed and saw a bunch of unrelated Genshin stuff with his tag and others, which was obviously artists trying to make their tweet visible to more people by using the newest character and other characters too. It's pathetic and shameless and makes it harder to find what you're looking for than it should be, as if having to go through bad art to find some decent ones wasn't bad enough.
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Not artists, but I hate when people are extremely bitchy and nitpicky of art. It's borderline autistic.
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>>2931107
>Doubtful, that pic is just like what I've seen before, artists using unrelated tags for things
Okay, then it's an issue with Sakimiclones spamming irrelevant tags
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Trapshit. 99% of the time they just draw a booblesss girl and slap a dick on it like picrel. It does not belong here, it falls under strangegay which belongs on >>>/d/, but the incessant Karens defending these flat futa insist otherwise even with the rules staring them in the face.
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>>2931107
>fake fujos
They don't even call themselves fujoshi. Liking yaoi and calling yourself a fujo these days is considered regressive and fetishistic unless you yourself are a gay man (and even then they hate when actual gay men, not these FtMs, express a liking for yaoi)
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>>2931155
Ah, now that you said it I remember seeing some retarded gays complaining about fujos fetishizing them. Just in case another schizo comes to this thread to complain, I'll say that I'm gay and though I don't bother using the term, a fudanshi and I don't give a shit if other people are fetishizing two men, fictional or not, after all I also like seeing two men in love and think gay sex is hot, it would be hypocritical of me to complain about someone feeling the same way.
Anyway, no point bothering with people who worry about calling themselves fujo, not that they have to but it's just a word, as always people on social media blow things out of proportion, not to mention the ones who like to be offended for others who couldn't give less of a shit. I wouldn't be surprised if the people who complain about women fetishizing them aren't really gay, you can never know for sure on the internet after all.
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>>2931166
>I wouldn't be surprised if the people who complain about women fetishizing them aren't really gay, you can never know for sure on the internet after all.
In my experience, those who make that complaint aren't even men, just overly preachy white girls
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>>2931169
>those who make that complaint aren't even men, just overly preachy white girls
Precisely. They're just the embodiment of entitled soccer moms encroaching on otaku culture and fandom spaces most of which are too young to understand why they're so established in the first place.
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Can we all agree social media is a curse?
Getting back on topic... I'd say another thing I'm not a fan of is gonzo shit. I'm oddly fine with ahegao and a guy having a dick bigger than a tree, but stuff like prolapsed buttholes or when they cum like a fountain (and especially if the cum is just pure white) turns me off.
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>>2931227
yes, yes it was.
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>>2930205
As a woman that was sexually abused by a woman as a child and having a crazy ex gf, yaoi is usually safe for me when I'm having flashbacks, invasive thoughts, etc. I look for it because I just don't want to see anything that reminds me of my abuse. I don't think it's everyone's case, but I wouldn't be quick to judge everyone's reasons. For me it's when I find it in the wrong categories when I am specifically trying to avoid tits and vagina.
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Pecs that are basically breasts. Nothing kills my boner quicker than that.
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>>2931155
I’m definitely a fujoshi and have been since I discovered poorly-drawn Naruto/Sasuke fanart back in 2006 when I was 13.

However, I shy away from openly calling myself a fujoshi because of the reasons you stated, that term is associated with fetishising m/m relationships and not being able to separate fiction from reality.
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>>2929757
To this whole thread and all the queers in it.
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>>2931515
>that term is associated with fetishising m/m relationships and not being able to separate fiction from reality.
Which shows how retarded the people who say that are, because the former complaint is an example of the latter. You could always create a separate account where you can be open about your tastes without worry as others in this thread have mentioned doing.
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>>2931497
I'm sorry that happened to you Anon.
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>>2931515
Please, the term 'yaoi' itself can also be considered fetishistic
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>>2930467
Most "official" characters in general have extremely unremarkable designs. On that note, I hate autists who complain about artists drawing OCs. Newsflash, every fictional character is someone's OC. Real shocker.
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>>2929822
Sometimes they don't add those tags because they want it to be the norm and not filtered out/ignored
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>>2930077
>It's all fiction, get a fucking grip, people are allowed to like fucked up shit in a fictionnal setting, the consent is there in real life since we choose when to engage with it and stop, it's all made up scenarios to get people's engines rolling
This. I also genuinely feel that these people are the ones incapable of separating reality from fiction/fantasy and are more likely to do actual illegal shit. It's scarily common how you'll have a dude on Twitter cry about fictional underage characters being lewded, and then get arrested for having actual cp
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>>2929757
When they make a good pairing, but draw objectively terrible art.
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>>2931515
Any fujos who subscribes to this "fetishistic" BS are retarded. Men fucking is hot, simple as.
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>>2931614
That's even scummier
>>2931618
This is one of the reasons I'm still weeb trash
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>>2931497
Sorry to hear that anon.

On another note, yeah Anti-fujo "yaoi is eevol" zoomer SJW cunts are massive invasive entitled retards. How hard it is to mind your own fucking business and tag your shit accurately.
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>>2929822
>>2931614
>>2931624
Unfortunately, trying to force people to use tags often causes explosive and agressive backlash.
Y!Gallery tried that over a decade ago, and instead of complying, people refused to put any tags at all. Que people seeing all the fetishes they didn't want in the first place. So then people report those pictures and it is too big an issue, causing most the reports to pass onto the artists as "needs more tags" causing the artists to flip out more and cause more tension on the site. Eventually, the tagging issue, along with other issues like a rogue mod/admin - caused a security hole that someone used to delete the entire site.

Even now that the site came back, after 5+ years of working on it, /y/ acts like it is concentrated evil because of its "draconian" ways of forcing people to label the tags.

I a personally surprised that AO3 hasn't had similar issue, but AO3 has lawyers on retention so that might have impact there. They also have better backup and securities as even major companies try to attack every now and again.
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>>2931526
Don’t worry, I have my business account and my filthy degenerate account where I can be my true “problematic” self
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>>2931638
I don't think it needs to be forced, just have rules in place and if someone doesn't follows them delete their content, simple as. The problem with Y!Gallery seems to have been exactly telling the artists to add tags instead of doing the above. Of course there would have still been outrage and backslash in that case, but people won't respect rules if they aren't enforced, even if they are there will always be someone who still doesn't, so talking things over is a waste of time, just delete the content and ban the user if it's repeated too many times.
AO3 must be doing something right though, because I haven't had the misfortune of running into untagged content. For the anons who were unlucky, does it happen frequently?
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>>2929807
I love genderbend and I hate that nowadays the term gets mixed with trans shit
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>>2931685
It's because genderbending is considered "transphobic". I may not be old, but I'm old enough to remember when the internet used to be fun.
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>>2931685
Same difference. Tits and vagina where there shouldn't be. Doesn't belong on /y/ or /y/ tags on other platforms.
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>>2929792
so annoying. especially when the rest of the art is so good. its so distracting and it always looks awful and forced, but you can never say anything about it without being called a transphobe
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>>2931661
On AO3 if a tgg is wrong the comments usually go off on them. If it remains, the work normally has a mod go in and check the comments and stuff, deletes either tags or the author if they are a repeat offender.
Y!Gal tried to force compliance but gave too many chances. Would correct a work like 3+ times before just deleting it. Which the artist would just change it back to troll and/or to make their point. And then complane about Y!Gal for it. The other issues with Y!Gal just made their complaints reach further or something.
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>>2931689
>I'm old enough to remember when the internet used to be fun
You and me both. I've never touched twitter and whenever I try to use leddit I'm reminded pretty quickly why I don't. When was the point that everyone just decided to go clinically insane?
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>>2931728
When smartphones gave normalfags the chance to flood the internet.
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>>2931728
When parents let the internet/TV be their babysitter
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>>2931689
>>2931728
>I'm old enough to remember when the internet used to be fun
So am I.
>>2931729
That in itself wasn't as bad since they would be pushed out from where they don't belong, but social media gave them a "safe space" where they can make their voices heard which allowed the mob mentality to settle and spread their insanity.
>>2931738
Then I guess we're partly to blame for not working as hard as the already insane in brainwashing kids.
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>>2931768
Couldn’t agree more.
I’d be upset if my children started turning into one of these ridiculous “SJW” who feel every little thing is their business
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Drawing pecs that look like tits on male characters super gross and a turn off . Dicks that are ridiculously huge, takes me out of it .
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>>2930301
Wait what? summary of what happened exactly? I thought they drew mainly Mortal Kombat stuff.
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>>2931768
hello
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>>2931848
Don't be afraid to say 'no', but don't say no to everything. Also you're better off homeschooling them.
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Whatever the art equivalent of "going in dry" or "weeping uke and rapey seme but it's totally consensual and vanilla" is.
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>>2931941
What I mean is stuff like the bottom being all teary-eyed and clearly in distress with his butthole bleeding from the rough sex begging the top to stop but the artist saying it's supposed to be consensual and the bottom actually loves it. Unless it's rape-play or there's a scene after with aftercare, it's rather jarring. And I don't even mind rapey shit.
Context is important, people!
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I still cant deal with hipermasculinity, to me it sits right besides inflation.
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>>2929757
Tops/semes who don't even blush/get red in the face as they enter a man's asshole. It's like they feel no pleasure, and just want to dominate. I want both the top and the bottom to have a good time and moan in pleasure.
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>>2932058
While we're on the topic of stoic tops/semes, ones that don't even make a sound when their face is shown. A little grunt wouldn't hurt every once in a while.
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>>2932085
Just like hentai protags, you should just focus on the bottom pissing himself out of pleasure and the top just saying how tight he is.
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>>2932089
I guess that's why it's always much more exciting whenever we see the action from the bottom's POV
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>>2931904
No way, my friend was homeschooled and she lectured me the other day on how the vaccines were made by Bill Gates to control our DNA or some hair whilst I stared into the middle distance like I was on the Office
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>2932104
As if letting the news dictate how (you) should live your life is any better.
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>>2932043
I agree. Don’t get me wrong, I love rough sex and rape as a kink but the bottom telling the top to stop is such a Japanese porn cliche I cringe in western art/fics

Also, foreplay is important. Let them asses be fingered.
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Legit surprised no one has posted my art here
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So much people angry about bara
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>>2932092
I agree. Good yaoi for me is seeing two (or more) sexy men in pleasure. Let me project onto both the bottom and the top.
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>>2932114
There's more people angry about cuntboys here
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>>2932108
Oh yes, we should all let nature take its course and die in our 20s. Try not to choke on all that horse paste, you daring critical thinker you :)
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>>2932110
What are some possible or common complaints about your art?
>>2932114
Not at all, just at people using bara as an excuse for literal male boobs and other feminine things, also abnormally large cocks. There's only one anon who complained about bara.
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>>2932108
What's it like drinking your own piss to own the libs?
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>>2929763
I've always thougth it was the base of the condom lmao
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>>2932208
Oh no, most art is bareback
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There are nipples and then there are dicknipples
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Some dialogue is wince-worthy when they include it, but words like "bussy" make me unreasonably angry. Why not "ass-pussy" or simply "pussy" for full degredation?
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>>2932374
Those are all just as cringe
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>>2932383
I'd rather take either term over "bussy" is what I'm saying
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>>2932374
I have no clue why artists have this aversion to just say ass or asshole, those terms make me roll my eyes when I see them in art or manga.
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>>2929757
>giga cocks and balls
>giga nipples
>cowtits
>giga-anything that isn't a normal body proportion actual giant
>retarded huge asses
>focus on ugly cut cock visible scars that sometimes make the cock look bicolored
>trap requests and trope crossdressing cringe, sissification that turns dudes into actual girls
>excessive body smell depicted as vapor/fumes/sweatscent, especially if they are also yellow or brown colored
>cum that looks like a bubble party or seafoam
>cum that doesn't even look liquid
>shart stains on underwear
>unlikely pube shapes
>bunny suits and meidoshit unless intentionally done to humiliate and not as funny trope
>nipples basically doing cumshots
>navel / belly button being a simple straight line
>cum that doesn't look as if an ayy lmao has deposited some weird jelly like eggs in your ass
>cocks unrealistically huge, anything from microdicks to big is fine, cocks that look like legs or arms fall into parody tier
>the bottom or both top and bottom cry and sob but it's not for pain (is this a woman artists sentimentalshit thing?)
>>>>>>>>>omegaverse male pregnancy
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>>2929794
Suiton's forte is having good taste in twinks and drawing nice underwear bulges and cute cocks, sometimes the artists stick to their artsyle too and I don't mind it unless it really is just some unrecognizable dude cosplaying as character.
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>>2929757
>when your top favorite artists realease an incredibly disgusting fetish set like armpitpussy or worse, very well drawn twinks/twunks/hunks/jocks/bara with a vagina and no alternative dick version.
Absolutely tragic.
Also meatlike dungeon gaping asses that look like something from a horror and water balloon like ballsacks, or the opposite, extremly wrinkled balls.
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>>2930361
But I really really have a crush on this type :^(
It's basically the guy next door type
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>>2932110
t. Patrick Fillon
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>>2932430
I agree with most of these except the ones about costume play
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I hate when character's expressions don't match their activity, since it makes them look like porn actors. I think it comes from looking at too much irl porn and thinking that porn is just supposed to look like that, but in illustration you can be immersive; there is no "camera" or viewer that the characters need to acknowledge. I'd rather feel like I'm looking at an illustration of a "real" intimate moment rather than a staged one, like porn.

This goes for smiling for the whole time they're getting pounded or cumming. Also for characters who are looking surprised that they're getting fucked when it's obvious the fucking has been happening more than a minute or two. I know it's an image set issue with not wanting to change the drawing too much, but at least make a little effort.

Image example is bad because I know this character canonically likes selfies but you get the idea, it looks like they just kinda put his dick in to get the shot, not like they've been fucking for several minutes to get to this point.
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>>2932481
I was about to add, Raihan is probably filming something for his Only Fans but you got that covered.

I agree, some artists are real lazy with expressions
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>>2932430
I also agree with most except about the crossdressing. It’s rare but I like it when the top cross dresses and the bottom doesn’t.
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>>2932516
I just like costume play, period. Hell, we could use more mischievous "jousou-seme"
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>>2932481
>I hate when character's expressions don't match their activity
Lol I remember all the subcategories in the extinct y gallery "happy sex" and a lot ot these being displayed
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>>2930408
have you never seen an actual man's penis? plenty of men have low hanging fruit
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When an artist clearly knows how to draw men, but give them garish mastectomy scars. They tend to be quick edits, thankfully.
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>>2930408
Anon, you more than anyone should know that your experiences are not universal, just watch more porn, there are several cases when the testicles pratically slap the bottom's ass
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>>2929867

holy fuck. I fuck trans men and even I don't want to see this. they wouldn't want to see this either. nobody wants to see this.

those scars don't even look that jarring unless they're brand new anyway.
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>>2932525
But if they don't draw them that garish, how will the score progressive brownie points?
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Late for the discussion but the main problem I see that people call fujos "problematic" it not that they like two guys fucking, it's all the other shit tackled on top of it, super feminine bottoms with super masculine tops, borderline-rapey or outright rape, their incredible loudness about it and "toxic" behavior at any deviating opinions, there is a reason it's called "rotten girl". No shame to any of the fujos here, just clearing things out.
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>>2932582
Pretty sure it's called "rotten girl" because of Japanese culture frowning upon women being perverts
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>>2932582
>super feminine bottoms with super masculine tops, their incredible loudness about it and "toxic" behavior at any deviating opinions
Maybe, if it was 2003.
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>>2932525
You’re on /y/. /y/ is for cock so don’t be so shocked by someone saying they don’t like men with pussies.

>>2932588
You’re right, this is an archaic description of a fujo but the label still stands even if fujos have changed somewhat.

And you’ll always get the entitled fujos who’s loud and toxic bs make the rest of us look bad
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>>2929757
Artist who draw every character the same way because they’re bad artist or have a type.

An example
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>>2932643
You guys have spent too much time here, hell, you are liking muscular guys, go to the rest of the fujos on the internet around and their favorite body type will still be the lean twinkish slightly muscular guy while finding your pic kinda unappealing. Unfortunately as you guys changed, modern fujos everywhere else didn't change much.
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>>2932749
No place on the internet represents a specific group, there are fujos here too. You may say that new fujos aren't the same, but if you're talking about the people on social media who avoid the word like the plague because it's offensive then they're even less indicative of this kind of person, they're instead an example of whiny unhappy with their life people who just want to ruin everything fun for others.
Regardless, just look at this board, there's plenty of different things that appeal to different people it's not just muscular guys.
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>>2932749
If that was true then the "Himbo" archetype wouldn't be so massively fucking popular on social media
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>>2932771
>"Himbo" archetype wouldn't be so massively fucking popular on social media
Blatantly false. Twitterfags and other social mediafags don't know what a himbo is.
>UwU this is my fat ugly soft boi who's a himbo!!!!!111!J!Lj1lkjlfjsklf
Makes me SEETHE to no end that the perfect male archetype got corrupted so easily.
A himbo is:
>male
>muscular/athletic
>dumb yet has some wisdom so not braindead
>extremely nice/promiscuous
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>2932749
>2932782
(You) sound similar to that anti trap vigilante who was shitting up the board for years. Is there a body type you do like?
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>>2929806
fucking This

not that anything value is lost, these people probably just used to write/draw weird ass self insert ocs or x/readers that nobody liked anyways. now there are even more tags to filter out along with the a/b/o furry shit

at least leave it out of the m/m ship tag and give your vagina-oc a different name so we can avoid seeing it
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>>2932782
Kek i wasn't expecting to read a ranting himbo purist.
That's fair anon, i can respect that.
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artists who draw characters blushing profusely in every. single. picture. every single one. no matter the context or character, even if they headcanon the two as a couple whose been married for 15 years.
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>>2929792
Fucking yes.
If you wan your own interesting trans-character then make it. Don't steal other people ideas.
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>>2931497
i'm not sorry to hear that happenbed, stop fucking going on about it
why does every woman these days feel like she's on a countdown to reveal her trauma to you the moment she turns up?
>>2931529
>>2931632
you wankers are the reason these attention seekers keep doing this
you don't even know her, if it even is a woman, or if what she's saying is true
and even if it is, it's no one else's business
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>>2933041
You're doing exactly what you're complaining about, those anons made their posts 5 days ago and left it at that and here you are wanking the topic by bringing it up again, who is the attention seeker here?
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>>2933041
>mental illness
>probably posted by a tranny
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>>2929757
This is more yaoi community behavior than it is an art complaint, but I can't stand the moralfags on /y/ and other platforms who try to peddle the POV that 'women who enjoy yaoi are fetishists' to guilt them out of creating yaoi content or consuming yaoi content. Absolutely miserable lot of people, all of them.

I've noticed a lot of them are they/them trannies who fetishize M/M or F/F relationships themselves - either that, or they're just womanphobic gay men who are chronically online and genuinely think it's impossible to coexist even in an Anonymous environment with women who share their interests. It takes a REALLY maladjusted person to not be able to find enjoyment in their own /y/ interests, without trying to make sure no one else can enjoy it with them.

>tl;dr
With all the actually bad things that are going on in the world, don't feel bad for enjoying drawings of hot guys fucking.
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>>2930408
woman detected
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>>2933055
>I've noticed a lot of them are they/them trannies
Yeah i've seen that happen a whole fucking lot. Annoying and a bit disturbing.
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>>2929757
Bisexual artists.

I want to follow them but hate having straight porn show up on my feed, whether it's from their own work, or the countless pictures they retweet.
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>>2933060
Big this, I won't follow bi artists unless they have two accounts, one for str8 and one for gay
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>>2933060
>>2933061
My god, that something so easy to ignore. You're really scarred of chicks that much?
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>>2933055
>either that, or they're just womanphobic gay men who are chronically online and genuinely think it's impossible to coexist even in an Anonymous environment with women who share their interests
Because some fujos are just really that fucking annoying.
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>>2933062
You can use the same argument for anything anyone doesn't want to see on their feed, furry, shota, belly inflation, tentacles, eggs, etc. and that's only talking about porn. Is it really that shocking that people don't want to see things they don't like? People on twitter complain about every single thing they don't like all the time, but someone daring to not want to see a vagina is unacceptable? Also, look at what thread you're posting on, if you're just gonna tell people to ignore things they don't like why bother come here?
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>>2932430
>>the bottom or both top and bottom cry and sob but it's not for pain (is this a woman artists sentimentalshit thing?)
tmw you cry (but not from pain) when your ass is really being fucked good
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>>2933062
Yes. I hate women.
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>>2933060
Personally, I like straight porn if the guy is my type.
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>>2929862
>a divine gift fromt eh gods
yaoi content is pretty scarce honestly. i've visited some sites and i've already looked up all the good ones with not much left. yaoi lovers are getting desperate and no one is supplying the demand.
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>>2931152
traps are alright, but damn do they get annoying. not a single ounce of muscle definition. makes me wonder if people who jack off to them are even attracted to men or are trying to justify their fragile sexuality that its "a girl with a dick"

pic unrelated
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>>2933155
Trapfags are typically straight dudes latching onto a dead meme
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>>2933155
>picrel
He suffers from Yaoi Chin and his faces can be weird at times, but I do kinda like this gif.
That said, I wonder if there are any modern artists that still suffer from old 90s yaoi art tropes? That's sure to be a turn-off, right?
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>>2931152
Agree. Traps and femboys are fetishes for straight men that wanted their girls extra spicy or have no luck with actual girls so they hit it with their "bro (female)". Artists that draw trap/femboyshit have also drawn porn of girls and furries. Plus it's borderline shota/loli with their "small feminine pp" and little fragile body. Their memes are cringey, unfunny, repetitive and beaten to death with the "u thought it girl but it boy haha u gey!!1 xD". Keep them in /d/, /b/ or /trash/.
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>>2933160
>inb4 "but jannies say traps are permitted" or "but there are totally real men out there with naturally female bodies"
@asuka is not a /y/ mod and Twitter is not real life. Get a fucking hobby outside of "Femboy Hooters".
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>>2933155
It's more like what this based anon said >>2933160
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>>2933149
Unless you're talking about specific content, series or character, that isn't true. I haven't checked the artists I follow on pixiv in months because I was too lazy to check it every other week, sometimes every week if I didn't want too much new stuff to accumulate, I wouldn't be surprised if I checked it now and there was 50+ pages of art I haven't seen. Sure, not all of them draw porn, but the majority does and there was always something new from one or more of them every week at least.
For the sake of argument though, let's suppose you're right, that's all the more reason to give artists constructive criticism, if they want to improve that will be much more appreciated than someone sucking their dick with shallow flattery, if they have a fragile ego and decide to delete all their stuff then good riddance. Being desperate for content is no excuse to settle for garbage you don't even like and to encourage artists to keep drawing said garbage on top of that. Get some standards anon.
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>>2933122
I hate it ESPECIALLY if the guy is my type. That's a waste of a hot man.
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disembodied penises. those annoy me as much if not more than faceless guys/offscreen men
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>>2933055
i don't hate women here for "fetishing" gays whatever that even means, I hate them because they're annoying
how come it's still possible to tell for the most part if someone's a woman just from reading how they type?
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>>2933055
Shut the fuck up, woman
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>>2931851
Yes!
Pecs looking like actual boobs are fucking gross.
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Art drawn by actual gay men usually disgusts me. Half of the shit posted on /y/ disgusts me.
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>>2933269
>the struggle of loving y but hating irl fags
relatable
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>>2933271
2D men > 3D men
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>>2933269
>Half of the shit posted on /y/ disgusts me
There are 148 threads here right now, it would be more surprising if you liked all of them, if we consider their posts it's even more unlikely you'd like all of them, so disliking half of the stuff here is normal.
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>>2929757
The trend of drawing small and/or feminine bottoms with pear-shaped bodies and huge hips and asses that not even women have. It's annoying because the only alternative to these "Midna-like" bodies are shotas, which I found too cute to want to see them be ruined by a big cock plowing them. Pic related, the (IMO) ideal shoulder-hips ratio for bottom bitches. Anything "wider" than that is too much for my cock.

>>2929758
>When they treat assholes like stretchable tubes that can extend outside of the body
Search (or not, it's really horrible) "anal prolapses". They actually can happen during anal sex and are absolutely disgusting (just like the drawn stretched anuses you mention).
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>>2933331
I don't mind wide hips on guys, but when they look too wide (like the "dummy thicc" trend where they just look like oversized blobs) is unsettling.
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>>2933055
>womanphobic gay men who are chronically online and genuinely think it's impossible to coexist even in an Anonymous environment with women who share their interests
There's one of them on /cm/'s shota threads. He goes on long rants about how women rule the world because female child sexual abusers are less hated than male ones, usually ending with him and anyone replying to him banned for three days before starts again.

>>2933333 (checked)
>dummy thicc
I'm going to use this term out of a lack of a better one, and I agree that it's fucking retarded because at that point the only thing left that can be used to identify the character as male is an usually tiny penis (see pic related). Even "old school" traps like Bridget had androgynous bodies with hints of masculinity (like narrow hips), something nowadays only shotas have.
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>>2929772
I can't blame them, Deku is submissive little bitch
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>>2933338
>picrel
See, at least with those hips, they still look somewhat natural. Those I don't mind (as long as his torso is still wide and masculine enough). It's when they're like twice the width of the guy's body that I draw the line.
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>>2933341
Give me Deku bussy NOW
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>>2933344
>bussy
Never use that word again
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>>2933346
Boypussy
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>>2933342
>at least with those hips, they still look somewhat natural.
I have never seen a human male with hips that wide.
>It's when they're like twice the width of the guy's body that I draw the line.
That's just /d/aco/-tier inflation/expansion fetishism.
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>>2933347
I'll take it lol
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>>2933348
You haven't, but it's not impossible.
t. dated a guy with wide-ish hips.
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>>2933055
People are really loud on the internet, long ago I learned to just ignore the hypocrites who hate for dumb reasons. Don't even bother with a reply, you're not changing their opinion, and they are not doing anything about what they hate.

I've barely (if ever) had any negative discussion here on /y/. When I see those comments about how "women fetishize gay men" I just ignore it and continue.

EVERYONE fetishizes something, men and women. What you enjoy it's not your or anyone's property.
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Can we talk about trends we find ugly as well?
For example, I'm not a fan of stuff like cock cages. I just think they're ugly. I'm more into the look of rings, sleeves and socks
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>>2933566
I think chastity cages are a dumb way to waste drawn cocks. They look better bouncing freely during sex.
Another thing I hate is the trend for drawing giant cocks and stomach deformation. They simply are too off-putting because I can't stop thinking about how the insides of whoever is taking them must be completely destroyed.
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muscle growth pics which instantly go into retarded hyper blob territory with dicks the size of minibuses. They go from normal/twink mode, to 2x pic related amount of musculature, to immobile mode in three steps. I have no clue what people see in muscle blobs, the sexy part of muscles is their function and the inability to even move isn't very functionable.
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>>2930379
>Someone with muscles like a body builder? Sure. Muscles like a Weight Lifting Champion? Forget it.
you know weight lifters are actually more normal than bodybuilders, right?
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>>2930713
i think dicks are inherently darker than normal skin because they have looser and contracted skin, so it has more melanin. it's only white dick which have 0 melanin that has the same color as the body
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>>2933621
I think you are drastically missing my point. The average image of a guy with muscles? Such as >>2931729 . That is quite an acceptable (for me) level of muscle. But then compare to this >>2933529 . The left is already disgusting (to me) but the right is something I really want to take out back and put out of its misery.

And you know what is more common than Weight Lifters in porn? Females. I don't want to look at that either.
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>>2933633
Im just nitpicking, but of the two images you linked the first one is more like a weightlifter and the second one more like a bodybuilder
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>>2933620
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>>2933066
>furry, shota, belly inflation, tentacles, eggs
Bro, seeing a fucking vag and tits nowhere near as bad as any of this shit on your feed. For one it's actually natural in humans.
>Is it really that shocking that people don't want to see things they don't like?
No, seeing them complain about something simple and easily ignorable.
>but someone daring to not want to see a vagina is unacceptable?
Telling someone it's laughable to be scarred about some ugly vag isn't some oppression, dude.
>Also, look at what thread you're posting on,
Yes, but that's the thing. What you're complaining about is something most here just easily ignore the second you see it.
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>>2930534
>>2930575
>>2930578
I actually found a backup of this story if anyone is interested in the original.
Need to figure out how to make it available...
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>>2933634
I think you are just trying to pick a fight. Either way, it is making you appear dumb.

I did say Weight Lifting Champion. Like the people trying to lift 500+ pound weights.
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>>2933947
>Need to figure out how to make it available...
Paste it on Privatebin?
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>>2933947
>>2933956
short url. at/dtyzD
Short goes to a media fire.
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>>2933719
>Bro, seeing a fucking vag and tits nowhere near as bad as any of this shit on your feed
That's a matter of opinion, for people who like one or all of those things for example seeing them on their feed isn't bad at all. Regardless, what is worse is irrelevant, anything and everything can be ignored, that's the point.
>Telling someone it's laughable to be scarred about some ugly vag isn't some oppression, dude
I didn't say it was, but you certainly didn't bother making a comment about any of the other things people dislike, only about this particular thing, which made me think that that's where you draw the line, that anything can be disliked but not this in your opinion. In any case, no one said they're scared of it only that they don't want to see it, you're the one who acted like it was a big deal instead of ignoring it like you did the other disliked things.
>>2933719
>What you're complaining about is something most here just easily ignore the second you see it
You don't speak for everyone, but even if that is true it doesn't change how they feel about it, that is, they don't want to see it. Let me put it in a way easy to understand, it's like someone being asked "do you like seeing pussy?", they answer "no" and someone says "lol why, you can just ignore it", it has nothing to do it.
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Incest. For some disturbing reason, it seems to be very common in western comics.
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>>2933947
>>2933964
Thank you for sharing anon, but the link isn't working, it redirects to the short url site instead. Where did you find it or did you have it saved?
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>>2929881
Jesus christ this happens so often with me, I fucking hate that shit, I'm just a casual watching their work and suddenly "uh oh! people didn't like what I draw so I take it out!" Like dude, if you post it online keep it online.
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>>2930223
As a Fujo I find it weird that most people think we like watching tranny shit, we don't, we don't feel guilty liking dicks playing around. If a guy can watch lesbian porn with no issues then it's only natural we can watch gay porn with no issues too. I think most people that draw tranny garbage are insecure men that don't want to be seen as gay or weird motherfuckers who have a specific fetish for trans people.
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>>2930077
>>2931616
Nah, if you jack off to shota or loli, you're still a pedophile by definition. You're mentally ill and should get help instead of feeding into your degeneracy. Same goes for furries. You're borderline a zoophile by definition.
Also
>I also genuinely feel that these people are the ones incapable of separating reality from fiction/fantasy and are more likely to do actual illegal shit.
Yeah, because you don't have people like vaush who preach about loli being okay and also think that sexually exploiting children is ok so long as they "consent". You do realise that most child predators began by jacking off to loli and shota, right?
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>>2934360
>You do realise that most child predators began by jacking off to loli and shota, right?
Source?
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>>2934411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAJJBNMi4jk
Also vaush
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>>2934337
>short url. at/dtyzD
I have it saved from when it had 21 chapters. I will try again, maybe it timed out.

short url. at/aeBJ0
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>>2934438
>taking R*ddit as a source of truth evidence
Whoa, it's retarded.
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>>2929757
Cartoony western art is my favorite style and proshippers love western shit and unfortunately the majority of proshippers can't just be normal people who draw some incest occasionally they always always have to draw characters as trans female lolis getting raped by their brothers or some shit like they gotta go zero or 100 with the shock factor. Like I like your brocon art good stuff then the next thing they post is toddlercon with piss and blood coming out of a loli and the caption is some reference to it being gay. I hate they/them proship trannies but sometimes their art is good. I wish we could back to fujos proudly just being fujos so they didn't have to adopt such an insane personality online to justify drawing cute guys fucking
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>>2934446
Damn, I should've checked earlier. Sorry for the trouble anon, can you copy the part after /file/ in the media fire url instead?
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>>2934438
>Reddit as a source
>expecting me to believe some posts of some Reddit guy
Jesus Anon you're a huge retard, you're gonna say playing GTA makes you a criminal too?
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>>2934545
pnqb4n0kqtammjd (slash) A_Single_Grain (dot) html (slash) file
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>>2934598
Saved. I had already given up on ever reading past the point I had, didn't expect my rant about it to lead me to someone who saved the old version, thank you so much anon.
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>>2934598
>>2934624
Btw, mind if I share it on the current version's comments on AO3? I can make my own upload if you want. I'm sure there are others who would appreciate having this.
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>>2929758
i feel ya. but what irks me the most is that its never the other way around, with inflation almost ALWAYS being just "a round belly". i know anatomy, ive seen hotkinkyjo, when big shit goes deep its gotta go round the bend. And while i guess its harder to show in pictures, that moment when it hits the first bend, pushes, and then curves and suddenly goes a few more inches and the body reacts in shock is premium smutt.
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>>2934624
>>2934625
I dont care who gets a copy. Not like I feel like I should be able to weigh in on that. The upload is a throwaway just in case the author gets their panties in a twist, but you might want to upload it seperate just in case mine gets taken down.
I am tempted to go through all the files I saved over the years and just mass dump what I find has been ripped down.
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>>2934737
I uploaded it again on mediafire and also on mega, that should be enough. I tried to reply to all comments with the links but it seems like my throwaway email was marked as spam after 5 times, I'll try again later.
>just in case the author gets their panties in a twist
I thought the author had died or simply stopped using AO3, but I checked and he came back november last year and started two Squid Game fics which I bet won't be finished either. Clearly they don't give a shit about this fic or the fans who have commented in the past 4 years that they were waiting for more, so I don't care if he gets pissed at me sharing the original version, if at least one person sees it and shares it too it'll be enough.
>I am tempted to go through all the files I saved over the years and just mass dump what I find has been ripped down.
It would be great if you did that, but depending on how much stuff you have saved that might be really troublesome.
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>>2934739
A few hundred stories I think. I just dont look at them often... Flagfic was a great help, but over time they have changed some things that I didnt like.

Use to be able to get the files as html, so I always did that as it minmaxed the screen for less scrolling. Then Flagfic broke for some reason (I think a few websites all "updated" at the same time). When they returned a few years later, it sorta worked, but they really didnt want to do html so I didnt use them as much.
At least AO3 allows downloads without too much of an issue. If I get around to uploading everything, I will probably need to organize it by fandom and all, but will make certain to leave some links here, on some thread at least.
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>>2934776
I never bothered to look for those kind of addons or even use AO3's download function, I don't remember if it was there when I started using it (probably was) so I got into the habit of manually saving fics, a waste of time obviously, but I don't read that much anymore for it to be a problem.
You could probably post links on the discussion thread or just create one similar to this one, as long as there's a few images no one should have any room to complain.
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>>2934360
Yeah not how these definitions work.
Like, I find shota gross as fuck for the implications and I don't find most furry art appealing, but the stylization of both art styles distances it from reality. Most furries wouldn't find a realistic dog man sexy, it's all about the way they're stylized with the cutesy eyes and all that shit.

As for child predators, they've existed for fat longer than shota shit, how would that even work ? Do you think child abuse skyrocketed the moment some weeb started jacking it to anime drawings ?

Also Vaush doesn't think CSA is ok, what the fuck are you even talking about. He only used once it as an example to shit on capitalism and the rest of child exploitation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRGamlCBoqI&t=11034s.





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