>>4311444
Nice quads, but I stopped reading after:

>OVF has an infinite refresh rate and resolution

Because that tells me literally everything I need to know about the rest of the steaming paragraph you took the time to write out.

>>4311444
>OVF has an infinite refresh rate and resolution
Resolution is limited by the fineness of the grain on the focussing screen. An EVF can zoom in and show much more detail
>Has an actual depth of field preview so you can tell exactly what will be in focus, most mirrorless cameras stop after ~f/5.6
DSLR finders have a rough approximation of depth of field, if you remember to press the DOF preview button, can actually see anything at smaller apertures, and usually don't show depth of field shallower than like f/2.8
>off sensor phase detect leading to superior image quality
And less accurate AF
>larger, deeper grips
>more buttons
Depends
>lenses are mechanical focus
Also depends, but correct in a lot of cases when it comes to native lenses. However you can use all of those DSLR lenses on mirrorless if it's such a big deal to you
>manual primes are extremely compact
More so with mirrorless
>have a built-in mirrorless mode anyway allowing for the only two real benefits of mirrorless, those being focus peaking and focus punch-in
If you're cool with using a shitty low res slow refresh rate screen with no shielding from the sun then sure, DSLRs are fantastic in live view
>reliable weather sealing is the norm
Considering the vast majority of DSLRs released have had little to no weather sealing, incorrect
>companies aren't ripping you off with paid firmware updates for features they purposefully left out during development
Because they just don't have those features available
>almost instant start up times
Mirrorless is no different

>>4311444
digital rangefinders or bust

>>4311444
>OVF has an infinite refresh rate and resolution
EVF also has a focus magnifier and digital night vision.
>Has an actual depth of field preview so you can tell exactly what will be in focus, most mirrorless cameras stop after ~f/5.6
Nikon cameras still have this.
>off sensor phase detect leading to superior image quality
Interpolating 2mp out of 40 does not have an observable effect on image quality.
>larger, deeper grips
People with arthritis do need more grip surface because exerting more force is not an option for them. Did you know most people don't have arthritis?
>more buttons
Yeah, because I totally miss the WB button in this age of cheap storage and fast computers, where only a fool or an instant delivery journalist snapshitter still shoots jpeg, and for those people AWB has gotten absurdly good, more accurate than manual WB.
>lenses are mechanical focus
These still exist. The focus motor is in the lens instead of the camera so if it burns out you don't lose autofocus on every single lens. Screw drive lenses often broken, btw. There are also fully manual lenses for true reliability.
>glass has focus distance markings making it possible to get your shot in focus without even looking through the ovf
These have never been accurate. Especially not the infinity stop.
>manual primes are extremely compact
More compact on mirrorless.

>>4311451
>batteries last 2x-5x longer
They actually don't! CIPA's tests are glorified screen runtime tests. Most DSLR users use the screen enough that it's negligible. Add on lens VR, or IBIS (if you're dumb enough to buy a pentax), and its even more even, sometimes worse for the DSLR.
>often have built in flash
Direct flash looks bad, built in flashes are too weak for bounce and drain the battery extremely quickly.
>simple and well organized menu systems
Haven't changed at all on canon/nikon - pentax DSLR menus are worse than sony mirrorless.
>reliable weather sealing is the norm
It's the norm NOW, but it wasn't always. Canon and nikon both made a lot of less-sealed/non-sealed lower end DSLRs - and canon has NEVER consistently weather sealed their lenses. Nor did Nikon! How sealed an F mount lens is a total crapshoot. It wasn't until mirrorless that pentax and olympus lost that advantage.
>companies aren't ripping you off with paid firmware updates for features they purposefully left out during development
Paid FW updates are for proprietary video codecs they have to pay just to include on the camera. Largely the fault of consoomers like YOU for demanding muh heckin applel prores.
>almost instant start up times
It's a crapshoot that's not in favor of any system

>Is a TV autist
Yeah figures, most unintelligent consoomers are.

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and here are some pictures taken with them because I'm not a complete gearfag

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>>4311453
>m8
uber based. I like your work man thanks for making another stupid gear thread a little less shit.

>>4311444
After being out of the game for a while (previously had a d200 and d3200) I was about to pull a trigger on the d850 until I found out the z7ii is pretty much the same but much smaller and lighter and it can use all the amazing Z lenses.


Size and weight are important to me because I want to take it everywhere and the 850 is a chonker. I wouldn’t lug that up a mountain trail if it came with a tugboat.

>>4311444
>need to calibrate AF on each individual lens
dinosaur tech

>>4311444
you know how fucking hard it is to manually focus vintage lenses with an OVF? Or anything at night? How about DOF preview? dont get that unless you want the OVF to go dark. No histogram either, sure there is a light meter but its no histogram. I could go on.

SLRs are fun to use and I would shoot for a hobby with one but I wouldn't touch that shit for a wedding and anything without good live view = laying face down in the mud for macro

>>4311444
Hey, it’s Tuesday night, and DSLRs are dead baby.

>>4311482
>I wouldn’t lug that up a mountain trail if it came with a tugboat.
imagine how onions you must be to pretend .5 lbs makes a difference

>>4311459
post more gas stations.

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>>4311479
anytime
>>4311581
alrighty

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i cant get the ovf adjusted to match my eyesight which makes focusing through it unreliable. the oled screen in evf quantifies the scene in a way that i know its not my eyes being fucky and i can zoom in.

>>4311699
If you've tried adjusting the diopter and you still can't get it to focus you likely have an astigmatism, go see the eye doctor

>>4311444
If you're buying a DSLR you're unironically buying outdated technology
/thread

>new d850s are $2200
Hold me back.
>from buying a second one

>>4311904
based

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>>4311726
What if I want an optical viewfinder?
>Mirrorless to me is suddenly as obsolete as the Leica 1c

>>4311456
Great pic

>>4311930
>What if I want an optical viewfinder?
Go and use outdated technology. I didn't say it's bad, it's a fact.

>>4311928
It's a waste but my current one is gray market because I was an idiot and those cunts at MPB kept grey market ones in stock....so getting it fixed would be third party repairs only when/if the shutter breaks.
But at the same time that's money I could spend towards a z8. Bruhs.

>>4311444
>If you're not buying a DSLR you're unironically paying more for inferior tech because you were dazzled by gimmicky bullshit you will never actually use
This is true and also applies to FF. APS-C DSLRs like the D500 are all anyone needs.

>>4311991
The absence of an optical finder is the outdated tech tho

>>4312285
I know were this is going

I live in a free aka capitalist country therefore i can buy any dumb luxury i want, i can put thought into the things that matter and enjoy my taking and looking at photographs however i want

but please keep coping over what ultimately amounts to your own budgetary decisions though it's going to get entertaining when you inevitably invent a pseudo-intellectual artistic "ideology" to justify how you spent your money and reconcile it with your need to feel superior to others. surely, your purchases must have been the best ones, because you're the best. everyone else is stupid, wasteful, consoomer, goy, jew, cuck, something something, or maybe poor, dumb, nigger, idk - go on, say a line like that. and prolong the argument. you know you need that attention. such is the life of a narcissist.

or dont waste your time and kys instead typical gearfag

>inb4 narcissi thinks he has a comeback

>>4312314
I'm not reading all that cope. You have and will never take a photo that couldn't look good or even better on an APS-C DSLR.

>>4312305
What the point of discussion? Did I say that SLR systems are bad? No. Did I say that DSLR cameras are past? Yes, this is the objective reality. 4 years since the last two DSLRs presentation, while dozens of new MILCs have been shown in the same period of time.

>>4312333
what was the point in you opening your mouth if you didn't want a reply? :A)