What's gonna happen tomorrow in Ukraine when F-16s become operational?
>>61560741The Blood God will smile. The Ukrainian land will be fertile for a century. I... Love the Blood God.
maybe a few relatively safe anti-radar strikes, probably nothing crazy or particularly flashy
>>61560741Liberation Day
>>61560741Not much, they will experiment with how they use it and eventually after lots of trial and error it will be used closer and closer to the front.
>>61560741Don't worry about it.
>>61560741the part about the military and industrial musclehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLi1u5CYwVo&t=15
>>61560741Dead Russians
>>61560741Ukraine wins in two weeks!
>>61560741>tomorrow anon, it's already May 5 there
>>61560741The Ghost of Kiev will enjoy the disco soundtrack that was installed in the vehicle when it was released in 1974 and then get shot out of the sky seconds later.
>>61560741Not much they got like what 3-6 of them...
>>61560741The eyebrows will be in the gloves, the gloves will be in the ass, and the ass will be raised.
>>61560767yeah, F16s have a racial bonus against Russian air defense, so it's likely to start with a serious SAM system peepee smacking.
>>61560741iounno? stuff?
*slightly sarcastic and overconfident post either hyping up f16's as badass or demeaning russians/calling them poor*
>>61560961I tried to imagine this and came up with something like a condom sticking out of an ass. And it kinda works.
>>61561015this is the man calling you a redditor.
>>61561015KEK! /k/ BTFO yet again. Don't these gun weirdos ever get tired of losing?
https://youtu.be/21VPAwpFS-AHoly shit look at this hwhite man. Do you see his eyes? Look how green they are in the sun!!
Not much.
Some dry runs for the good stuff on May 9th
NATO gay bombs will be dropped deep in the Russian rear in order to force them to transition. In other words, nothing will happen.
ass status?
>>61561158In the ass.
>>61560741How many are coming in the first wave? Enough for a squadron or two, right?
Massive SEAD campaign in Belarus. Hundreds of Leo 1s roll up the M19 to take the western side of the country (namely Brest and Kobryn), meeting minimal resistance and in many areas support from the local forces and population. Simultaneous push from Chernihiv to Gomel with secretly supplied Challenger 3 battalion, Minsk under siege within 48 hours, Lukashenko flees to Moscow within 72, complete capitulation of Belarus on May 9th.
We'll have to start updating the image. (which is probably overdue already)
>>61561055>NATO/OTANDALLAS SALLAD
>>61561098Then finally the ass will be in the ass and every 1 will no.
>>61561168dude, unless there has been some change I am aware of the total number is <20 so, yeah.
>>61560741They're probably already in use. Probably going to melt lots of vatniks.
>>61561190Kek. Your delusions are hilarious
>>61560741If they're smart they won't do jack and let paranoid russian AA crews FF another chunk of their airforce out of the sky.
>>61561202aaaand Murica still lost in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan. Kek.
>>61561303>DALLAS SALLAD
>>61560741Literally no difference whatsoever
>>61560805Find your own memes
>>61560741Russia will announce they've shot down all 83 of the 20 F-16s Ukraine's received.
>>61561368Wrong. More ziggers will die. Won't change the face of the conflict, but still
>>61560741You know...
>>61561355It's not the US military's fault Congress won't fuck off and let them do shit.
>>61560741WhoaStopHold up a minute Listen to record As my dj spin itF f f 16F f f 16Straight out of Denmark NationBat out of hell at your destinationNo variation for no operationNo investigation no deviation No observation no declarationWill cause your restorationIt's the f 16s determination causing your situation meaning ventilation followed by cremation at high elevation nothing left for presentation or identification to your shit hole nation Domination then documentation of the assissation by disintegration leading to obliteration, excommunication, termination and accelerationNo white future!
>>61561431Of all the cope on the internet, /k/opers are the absolute funniest. Kek
>>61561386That's not an f 16 dumbass. Typical brown shits. Lol doesn't even know what a functioning jet looks like. Look it had jets and it's wings move!?!? Lol INDYA!
>>61561431He threw in the entire fucking fishing rod and just dunked his hand into the water and you still took the bait. Jesus fucking christ.
>>61561355>lost in KoreaIt was, at worst, a stalemate. The fact that our proxy lives with a first world quality of life and North Korea's primary export is escapees tells you all you need to know.
>>61561385So basically no real difference.
>>61561514every day is earth day in best korea
>>61561190It would be kino but no
>>61561366>DALLAS SALLADNothin' there but hinge heads and debutants.
>>61561355(You)>>61561303TULSA ASLUT
>>61561366>TEEN NEET
>>61560741Complete exhaustion of the copium reserves
>>61560741Hopefully total Air Defense DeathBut likely nothing will happen
>>61561431T. fat TEE VEE enthusiast. 10/10 bait
>>61561303I had to actually look up what it meant since I was curious, the OTAN stands for "Organisation du traité de l'Atlantique nord". I didn't realize French was NATO's second official language until recently.
>>61560741
>>61561775The french are always like that woth everything, demanding relevance because their language was the trade tongue of the world before getting dicked by english.
>>61561303>>61561775It always reminds me of mirrored text you see on ambulances
>>61560741nato indirectly blapping russian zigs out of the sky
>>61560741force multiplier
>>61561847evidence that this is the range of an e-3 radar
>>61561775Wanted to reply similarly to >>61561809If you were European, this wouldn’t come as a surprise. French ego easily surpasses that of any other nation here.
Literally nothing because advertising them so hard ensures the Russians will be on high alert with AD ready to go — which Ukraine will be fully aware of thanks to US ELINT and so the F-16s will stay far away. The reason why they’re being promoted to begin with is for political reasons; if they were coming jacked up on EWAR pods and SEAD training they wouldn’t be advertising them.The fact is Ukraine is stuck in this difficult situation of being reliant on Western military aid and the West being democracies have to obey the law of public opinion (ie the media) as well as deal with internal politics over funding resulting in Ukraine being pressured to play to the media as best they can to keep interest high and promoting the belief that they can win or at least turn things around. So they promote these events, even while the support they do get is just enough to keep fighting, forget winning, but that doesn’t stop the fact that they’re reliant almost completely on that support. Maybe the current calculus is that they just need to hang on public support for another 1 or 2 years before Western arms manufacturing can ramp up.
>>61561898behead mass repliers
>>61561898this is not realistic you shitter
>>61561898nato awacs giving info to ukie f16s is not shown here
>>61561898Kys
>>61561913roundhouse kick mass repliers
>>61560741F-16 get shooted
Two hundred and eleventeen percent of them will be twitterly confirmed destroyed.
>>61560767f-16 is a dog fighter not a bomber
>>61562169nigger they have been using F16s to drop bombs for decades, it's a multi support aircraft
>>61562169the f-15 is a dogfighter, the f-16 was designed to be multirole
>>61561775OTAN is also the acronym for NATO in all Romance-languages.
Hopefully it changes a lot and I hope the pilots are trained well
>>61562458Same. They're not getting many of them (at least not all at once) so they'll probably ease the pilots in by just having them shoot down drones and so on at first, while they feel out Russian AD and interceptor craft's response. But based on what the Ukies have done with the small amounts of everything else they've been given, I bet we'll start to see them have a big impact in a few months.
>>61560898ROCK THE CASBAHROCK THE CASBAH
>>61560741They are still on time to make it to the may 9th parade.
>>61560898https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ruBLgDuWkU
>>61561386Yes that will indeed most likely be a priority target for the falcons, but they'll probably still go for the air defences first
>>61560898Tape 6.4 only has Sabaton
>>61560741Shillcon Level 1
>>61560741Vatniks will immediately claim to have captured/destroyed them all.
>>61561373>Find your own memesNot him, but the two week meme goes back farther than you think.
>>61561480Nobody knows what b8 is anymore. About 90% of the spamming would go away if these fags learned to not engage
>>61562760these people are shameless and will spam and samefag-reply until they're banned, ignoring someone only works in AFK life and with people who aren't completely mentally ill/paid to post.
>>61562760not anymore, people just reply to themselves. Ive seen entire threads on some boards that were JUST one guy talking to himself, sometimes copy pasting posts from other threads to recreate those conversations. it's only going to get worse now that the poster number counter was removed (why?)
>>61560741They are monkey models that don't even have sensors or targeting, they need imput from NATO AWACs to function. A bit of jamming and it will be like using WW2 planes.
>>61562848But how do Ukraines Migs work the ?
>>61562848Impressive cope.
>>61560741Most likely a little extra portion of Mobik and thirdie cope.
>>61562925>Why do Russian jets work but not gimped US models made for NATO subjectsYou need to be 18 to use this site
>>61560741Russian air defense will freak out and shoot more friendlies
>>61563147>>61562848kek new zigbot cope
>>61562169it's a multirole you retard
Official info is still a bit watered downhttps://mil.in.ua/en/news/aasm-bombs-are-being-integrated-into-ukrainian-f-16-fighters/As of May 4th, they're working on integrating French Hammer missiles and are working on getting better radars for their F-16s? If they're waiting for AN/APG-83 it might still be a while before actual heavy lifting
Ukraine would be the perfect theatre to test this new technology.
>>61562169Get back in the coffin Pierre
What would happen if Ukraine was given 2 or 3 E-3s? Would it take way too much time to train up operators?
>>61560741The countdown towards the first photo of video of a F-16 shotdown in Ukraine commences alongside the spamming and trolling on /k/ by third worlders about how another NAFO wunderwaffe being defeated by mighty PUCCIA.
>>61560741Hopefully the Kerch bridge ceases to exist. The Brits gave their blessing, so may the Anglo’s Righteous Hand guide the Ukrainian warriors in hour of need.
>>61562169retard nigger
>>61563465people have been saying that about Patriot crew training yet the simplified course took only a few months, if they skipped air battle management training and focused on just operating the planes to improve air picture it would be a similar situation
>>61561355Korea was a draw. Vietnam was a clear military loss regardless of burger kvetching, and Afghanistan was a clear military success but a failure in the resulting occupation.
>>61561347>>61561606>Can't recognise sarcasmGo back.
>>61561015this, but unironically
>>61563544What the fuck is that webm actually
>>61560767This, they'll be running low risk SEAD / DEAD for a few months while everyone gets the hang of things.They'll be risk adverse for awhile because they don't want the western media running "F-16 lost in the first week".
Okay... so today is "tomorrow." When are we going to see the air offensive against Moscow?
>>61565403Never ever, politicians are too radical these days and refuse moderate options.
>>61562681Nah...no room for weakness anymore so Blasphemy and Conqueror.
>>61563852looks like a guy stabbing himself in the stomach with a small knife (potato peeler?).but I didn't look too closely. closed the file when I saw the blood.
>>61560961Situation normal.
>>61561514>>61563844Korea was a win. The goal was to stop the north from conquering the south. Mission accomplished.
>>61562169>>61562298>>61562327>>61563166>>61563438>>61563767it's a plane retards
>>61562169ayooo
>>61563859>What the fuck is that webm actuallyI think it's your brain on krokodil
>>61565527
>>61560741Simple. We're going to feign a Taurus missile strike with embedded trailing 16s loaded with HARM missiles, remove all anti-air, then destroy the port facilities at Sevastopol. Depending on munitions remaining, the order is then for Dzhankoi, and then Saky, in a two hour period.Happy Easter.
>>61561809Its a weird 17th century cope because Italian and Greek were still more popular trade languages around Mediterranean and North Africa at the time. But it was popular in HRE, so Frogs coined it as Lingua Franca
>>61560898was the Ghost of Kiev thing ever verified?
and yet again nothing happenedheh, guess NATO is all talk againCrust is risen btw
>>61560741Nothing of particular interest will (propably) happen.But when eventually they lose some the usual suspects will spam the board about how wunderwaffles were defeated.
>>61560741S300s and S400s will start Total F16 -ACKening and the copers will say same as with Abraham and Leopard when the wrecks get displayed on red square again>>61561202yeah in three weeks you need to change it to 76:27 kek
>>61565813Russia can't do air defence for shit.Ukraine is still flying SUs and MIGs.
>>61565403May 9th when Ukraine drops its home-made nuke on Moscow
>>61560741Most likely:>no obvious differences in >lots of new footage of AA emplacements getting blown up>maybe an airstrike or two on armored vehicles or Russian fighting positions>at least one gets shot down by AA and Russian shills spam the absolute living shit out of it for monthsBasically the M1 and Leo all over again
>>61561887This post is well though out and mostly accurate, so of course no one responded. But I would only disagree on one thing: I don't believe that Ukraine necessarily *must* be locked into this weird place their in. I thoroughly think that this situation is borne from the nature of and incessant focus on PR and propaganda by Western leadership. I don't believe anyone in civilian leadership truly, really understands the realities and necessities of the kind of warfare Ukraine is locked into, and as a result they're more or less deaf and blind to the actual war on the ground. Thus you get these weird moments like now with F-16s, where so much falls on the back of Ukraine while they're necessarily not getting what they need to perform to "acceptable" levels. >"F-16s=GOOD, but you'll get like 20 of them to start with, and they're kinda old lmaoSee the Zap Counteroffensive, as well, and the downward pressure applied to Ukraine by Western leadership to get results... with no airpower, effectively handfuls of NATO ground equipment, and a mountain of unrealistic expectations.There's so much kvetching about what happens with the next admin (assuming there is a next admin next year) that no one's really conducted a post-mortem on the aid regime we've already committed to. No, no, there's too much kvetching about it being "too much aid," for that.
>>61560741Initially, nothing. After that probably a ramp up of SEAD and CAP missions. We will definitely see a major uptick in reported Russian air and anti-aircraft losses. If the Ukrainians managed to thin either one of those two out enough, they will probably start running ground attack missions in combination with the other two.
>>61563486America lost the war because US congress, full of politicians elected by the 1968 progressive voters who were part of the counter culture and anti-war movement, voted to not send ammo and support and bomb North Vietnam in accordance to those same accords in 1975. This lead to the South Vietnamese military quite simply not having enough ammo to even fight.Basically, the US lost because of US congress. Hoping for something like this has been the number 1 strategy of Russia in this war. So was the Taliban's strategy.
>>61560741The same thing when the Leopards became operational: Literally nothing.
>>61566257The US wants its allies to do everything while refusing to lose any measure of comfort or without any of its own sacrifice. Nothing new to anybody in the third world who has the United States as its ally.
>Ukraine will receive slightly more than a squadron of F16's>Fighter squadron = 24 aircraft>Thinking this will have any impact at allI fucking hate this board so fucking much.
>>6156683124 f-16s would decimate the entire puccian army
>>61563509>The Brits gave their blessingand Paveway IVs
Might as well install autopilots and use them as missiles, with untrained pilots and no functional sensors they are useless. Maybe they can damage a refinery it they crash them into all at once .
>>61566927yup they are literally fighting with shovels and were out of artillery shells after 3 months of war, they are drafting newborn babies as we speak.
>>61566831They will be able to run DEAD if we give them HARM pods and plenty of HARMs. This will slowly allow them to make parts of the front clear for CAS which will make a big difference.It's not going to be some huge game changer but over the next year assuming only half the F-16s are lost it'll make a difference.
>>61566831Anon, the main benefits is the fact they have more available spare parts to work with. The main reason the UA Air Force is lacking is due to planes breaking down from consistent usages and lack of spare parts,
>>61567108there is only a few hundred thousand russians in total at the front, you can absolutely collapse them with violence
>>61566831This>hear all this news of Ukraine getting F-16s>thinking awe shit, the entire weight of the Western World backing Ukraine, they're going to get like 1000 of them>open up thread>read through comments>finally see it>24 planesjfc
>>61560741Russia turns on more anti-air systemsUkraine loses one fighter.....goes back to dronesDrones attack AA sitesSomehow this is a victory for someone other than zelenskies pocketbook
>>61567697its closer to 100 aircraft, but yeah ukrainians wont do anything drastic with them for fear of losing too many. my guess is that theyll be mostly used to augment the air defense against cruise missile attacks. maybe theyll have alert forces to scramble against concerted russian air efforts, but thinking that ukrainians will use vipers in an offensive capacity is delusional
>>61561202Slavs will get shot down en masse because they are pathetic but we give them to dune coons and chunks so might as well. Why do all the Reddit nafo trannies keep saying SEAD is an easy mission?
>nothing will change, tranny, nafo, reddit, gloves offThe internet has spoken, it's over.
>>61567874why do you think you are welcome here on an english language western website, you disgusting subhuman asiatic?
>>61567717Can't even go a single post without revealing his shill nature baka
>>61567587You're not fighting low IQ Iraqis in the desert anon. Russians know how to coordinate AD and how not to get them blown up by just leaving their radar on and staying in the same position. It's not as simple as "just fire missile at radiation source". You send a flight of F16's on a SEAD mission to go destroy an S300 just to realize that they're flying over multiple tunguskas who have been receiving information from a control center and have just switched their radars on as said F16's fly right above them.
>>61567898What makes you think I am asiatic. It’s well known SEAD is hard. I’m an American sick of paying taxes for pathetic docs to drop dead by the hundreds of thousands. Perhaps you’re implying I’m Russian therefore asiatic and Slavs are glorious Ukrainians and different than Russians. Lol fagaloon
>>61567939>Russians know how to coordinateJust kill them and wrap it up
>>61567939How do you know that they know how to do that? Soviet archaeotech with bolted on HARMs are not the real deal and aside from those Russian AD has only faced drones and ballistic weapons.I don't see any reason to Russia being experienced enough to pull that off.Also who's to say they'll hunt AD blindly? MALD and other missiles work plenty well as AD radar bait.
>>61567991It has been in their doctrine since the advent of radar. Even guerrilla forces we have fought in the past have utilized basic tactics to keep their shit safe from getting blown up. e.g. Serbia as just one example.
>>61567954>tfw all your armor and golf carts get blown up so you gotta double down on the 4chan offensive to cope
>>61568002So? We have seen tons of basic incompetency from Russians this war. Nevermind that, again, we are giving them missiles specifically used for AD bait. Previously used together with Storm Shadow on occasion.
>>61565735Yes, they even released his name
>>61567748Can they fend off the glide bomb threat at least?
>>61568032>We have seen tons of basic incompetency from Russians this warWe've seen nothing but propaganda shitposting from both sides.
>>61567939That's why I specified using the AN/ASQ-213, this will let them get a pretty accurate location of SAMs and they can use more disposable planes like the Su-25 to bait radars.Even without HARMs just being able to get an accurate position of SAMs would allow arty and drones to suppress or kill them.
>>61568059How does he keep getting away with it?
>>61568350Everything he does is merely satirical.
>>61560752>The Blood God will smile.Perhaps>The Ukrainian land will be fertile for a century.Doubt it, not with all the lead and depleted uranium. The only land that will be farmed on will be the land that borders Poland and likewise Russia will be forced to farm next to China.>What's gonna happen tomorrow in Ukraine when F-16s become operational?They'll blow up some Russian oil refineries and BMP's trying to cross the river (again) and Russia will retaliate by carpet bombing the air strips need to launch their F16's so their attack will hurt but ultimately be a one trick pony since F16's aren't known for being able to take off from airstrips ridden with giant craters.Holol's should be given A-10 Warthogs instead, then the war would be settled after a few months.Also I find it funny how both the Russians and Americans don't like Ukrainians insistence on bombing Russian oil refineries since it raises the cost of living on both sides and only the Saudi's like that outcome because then they get to raise the cost of their oil, global economies clashing with regional wars are a funny thing sometimes.
>>61563544The fuck?
>>61568397what kind of cuck faggot uses russian slang slurs when not a russian?
>>61568419the sort of person who doesn't wonder why the airfields haven't been carpet bombed, already. 2 more weeks until gloves off.
>>61560741I expect an impact on the frontline comparable to passing MLRS in 2022. Nothing happens in a first couple weeks, then russian planes and AD assets start to explode 3 times more often. This happens for a month or two and then Ukraine suddenly gains a local air superiority and the part of the front collapses.
>>61563544Every time I think Russia can't get worse they manage to surprise me in new and innovative ways.
>>61568419I use Vatnigger and Hololnigger interchangeably, perks of being a radical centralist who has no stake in the current retarded Slav wars. I'm more worried about Taiwan getting invaded because that's where muh hecking AMD CPU's and GPU's come from.>>61568441The F16 is a fantastic platform don't get me wrong but it's not built for 3rd world launching conditions is all I'm saying so unless we're also giving the Ukrainians aircraft carriers too I just don't see the point, also I'd imagine the reason Russia hasn't completely destroyed the airstrips yet is because they've deluded themselves into thinking they'd be under their control a lot sooner, that's my theory anyway.>wahhhhhh you have to care about Eastern EuropeMeh maybe I'll start caring if Russia tries invading a country that isn't a shithole like Finland or the Czech Republic. Till then I'm indifferent.The warthog by comparison is far more resilient to non ideal launching conditions and they were quite literally originally invented for the sole purpose of potentially fighting a direct world war against Russia. Why not put a few A-10's there? They'd wreck their shit.
>>61565789>wunderwafflesIt is pretty amusing to compare the Russian wunderwaffens and the western weapons ziggers claim to be wunderwaffen.>dude this totally awesome and real ultra-super-hypersonic self-aware nuke torpedo mega-lucifier 5000k will be impossible to defeat!!!!1!>number of mega-lucifiers 5000k ever built: 1 half-scale wooden mock-up>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE western wunderwaffen>literally just some old leftovers from the 1980s
>>61568600Go back to Nebraska oblast Pidar
>>61560741It will be revealed that F-16s have been in operation for months.
>>61568397>lead and DU from ammunition will make Eastern Ukraine unfarmable>unironic Warthog shilling>>61568600>wait until the gloves come off!>F-16s launch off of aircraft carriersIf you ever needed proof the “both sides” idiots were tourists, here you go.
>>61568647If this war has proven anything, it’s that eastern Ukrainians are congenitally incapable of OPSEC. If an F-16 was in Ukraine some retard would have leaked a selfie with it months ago.
>>61568350He can't keep getting away with it!!
>>61560789This. The most boring answer is correct.>>61563331Seems like the Ukies could use one of these to strike a refinery on the other side of Russia with a serious payload.Maximum range of an F-16 is listed at 2400 miles, but I’m betting you could seriously fill it with fuel and bump farther.
>>61561355>lost in Koreathe fact that you lead with this outs you as a NATO shill, hoping to muddy the water around the discussion of American defeats. By leading with an easily BTFOable position as dumb as "lost in Korea" when it was not only an overwhelming victory, but one of the most successful examples of US foreign policy in the post WW2 era, allows NATOshills to fmake disingenous arguments about the defeat of Afghanistan and Vietnam, ala>we won in Vietnam and then left, not our problem what happens in Vietnam war 2and>we won in Afghanistan and then left, not our problem what happens in Afghanistan 2when, realistically, the Vietnam war was a tactical and strategic victory but a foreign policy loss. communism stopped spreading after the NVA won... and now Vietnam is a capitalist ally... shit, damn NATO shill you've tricked me into thinking Vietnam is legitimately not a failure.
>>61568919meds
>>61568939I think that he might be at the point where lobotomy is preferable, given how called being forced back from the Chinese border bac to the more or less what was the situation before the Norks invaded "an overwhelming victory".
>>61565735NoIt was just Russia claiming for the first time that Ukrainian Airforce was in the ass so it was assumed that several different aircraft were one guy
>>61561355Which of those countries would you rather live in today? Which one of those countries would you have rather lived in after they, "won"? Thought so.
>>61561445YWNBW
>>61562747NTA. Its from the KRAKEN.
>>61561355>>61568919>aaaand Murica still lost in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan. Kek.Korea was more of a draw as apposed to total failure since Best Korea, the Chicoms, and the Soviets didn't get everything they wanted either but yeah the Vietcong and Taliban kicked our ass for sure. Not even gonna make cope arguments like 'hur dur we were just there to test out new weapons systems' because while there's some truth to that we still lost and the governments we propped up fell like a house of cards.SK turned out alright for the most part though given they're a military juggernaut even if their elected leaders are insane feminist moon cultists or whatever (Samsung really runs the show anyway).>>61568537That webm is ancient dude but fair enough.
>>61569699>Korea was more of a draw as apposed to total failure since Best Korea, the Chicoms, and the Soviets didn't get everything they wanted eitherThey wanted all of Korea under communist rule. America didn't want that to happen. As a stretch goal, once the war was already underway, they would like to kick the communists out, which wasn't successful. But the core war goal of "don't let the south get annexed" was successful, and the commie war goal of "annex the south" was not.To say that because the communists only lost the war and didn't suffer a total, catastrophic defeat, it was merely a draw, is very disingenuous.
>>61560741Shoigu will claim 10 F-16 were shot down and the shills will spam this board with blurry pictures
>>61568152probably not fully. or not directly. glide bombs are dropped quite far from the frontline well within the russian air defense network. one thing that russians will probably do now is fly escorts with their glide bomb flights, which will drive up airframe hours and fuel usage a bit, but not significantly. one thing that could F16s could possibly allow is pushing long range air defense closer to the front and offloading civillian air defense to the F16, which would allow engaging russian glide bomb flights. though i'm not sure about this myself, since russians have recently been using ballistics instead of cruise missiles and shaheeds and F16s cant defend against ballistic missiles.
>61561451>61561355>lost in koreaWhere did this meme came from? It literally doesn't make any sense if you look into the goals>Afghanistan/Vietnam Thise war ended long after the american involvement in the region is nonexistent. Afghanistan in particular hadn't had U.S. ground operations since 2014 and the air force stopped supporting the ANA in 2020. None of those are the fault of the American military capabilities, but rather the U.S. not making sure the Afghan/south vietnam government cc'd an stand on its own without direct aid.
>>61569699>Vietcong and Taliban kicked our ass for sure.They literally got destroyed in every engagements with the american military. They didn't do anything aside from waiting until the americans leave/stop giving aid.
>>61569744It's almost as if that is the entire strategy of guerrilla warfare.
>>61568206The fact that the 3-day SMO has been going on for over 3 years despite russia having every advantage on paper disproves any delusions about their competence.
>>61565527It's a winged technical, retard
>>61569198Given how the borders ended up the way the UN told the Americans to make them end up (despite many chink attempts to make it not so), yes. Korea was an American victory.
>>61560741Depends on how many HARM missiles they got.
>>61568600The Russians have attempted to hit and disable the air fields throughout the war. They continue to fail to do so as they have shit PGMs and no air superiority
>>61570319We still pay them aid. We still are allied with the Taliban see the hofa agreement. We are still there. We created their entire ruling leadership. We released most of them in the peace deal of 2016. Was that your point? Let Americans kick out asses until they replace our leaders then pay us to run the country and hunt the people they want dead.That's a real Winner
>>61566789> This lead to the South Vietnamese military quite simply not having enough ammo to even fight.LMAO, this the same South Vietnamese military that lost a large majority of its ammo and equipment WITHOUT A FIGHT in 1975? Quick reminder, the PAVN didn't actually plan to win the war with their '75 spring offensive. It was intended to be a limited campaign to capture a single province and some key positions. They didn't even have enough supplies stockpield for a drive all the way to Saigon by their own estimates.Then the ARVN collapsed so spectacularily fast that they ended up capturing more intact weapons and supplies and ammo than they had used up during the fighting and ended up sprinting to Saigon because there was literally nobody left to stop them.
Nothing ever happens again
>>61568600>radical centristyou mean an amoral human "being" that is simultaneously Tin Woodman, Scarecrow, and Cowardly Lion? Stop yapping like Toto until you get a brain, a heart and some courage.
>>61566808Except it isn't only the US. This stupid method of attaching wildly heady expectations to aid is a NATO/Western-wide thing. You can make the case that US leadership informs the nature of Western aid, but it's not like the French would do what we say just cuz. It seems to be a settled-upon retardation among leadership that know very little about war, all talking to each other and determining courses of action based out of that ignorance. I don't even think much would change it, pending serious turnover in Western nations to personnel in leadership roles who have real military/warfare-tangential experience, at least enough to understand you can't force breakthroughs on the back of token supplies of ground equipment, or achieve air superiority with a squadron of rather old F-16s, at most.>>61566831It's the issue with the way this shit's been hyped up and reported, more or less at the behest of Western governments. It's being played as an "event," like an episode of TV. It's intended to gin-up Western hype and support, and when 24 F-16s show up and not much changes, outside of some strikes or the odd missile shootdown, the inevitable backlash against Ukraine's performance only puts Ukraine into a deeper hole they need to "earn" their way out of in the future, all over again.
>>61568600>The F16 is a fantastic platform>but it's not built for 3rd world >launching conditions>launching conditions>so unless we're also giving the Ukrainians aircraft carriers too>aircraft carriers>aircraft carriers>Why not put a few A-10's there>A-10s>A-10sTourists trying to talk military equipment is like watching a teenage girl trying to explain how direct gas impingement works.
>>61568746>>61571593The Warthog is already battle tested in adverse conditions. If I was a shill acting on behalf of Moscow or China I'd be down playing the A-10's capabilities and resilience, because a pack of Warthogs would be enough to turn half of Russia's amour reserves into mince meat in no time.>link instantly invalidates your argumentshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Io96sA63Wo&t=27
>>61573504but the talis had way less AA than the pussians
why do americans think 5 tanks and 10 planes can make a difference?Russians lose 2 planes weekly and the frontline barely moves. You need at least 100 f16s to make a difference and maybe 1000 bradleys and 200 abramsThis trickle of shit is helpful but it wont sway the balance too much
>>61573504In spite of how shit russia's AA is, the talibans was even worse.Ukraine can't afford to waste pilots on shit as outdated as the A-10.
>>61573531the americans aren't the ones sending planes, dipshit.
>>61573538and yet youre talking here
>>61573532>Ukraine can't afford to waste pilots on shit as outdated as the A-10.both sides are flying the su-25 frogfoot
Ukraine trying that counteroffensive last summer without the F-16, ESPECIALLY after the intel leak, was dumbest shit ever. That's an objective fact
>>61573570>was dumbest shit ever. That's an objective factwell.. there is that matter of Russia trying their stupid shit in the first place
>>61573551and they're already trained on those.If you're going to train them to fly something new you might as well give them something good like f-16s.
>>61573544All the F-16's that Ukraine is getting are European.
>>61563465Why go through the trouble when they can press a button and datalink the ones they're already flying above the Black Sea to the F-16s? What Ivan gonna do
Meh. They are crucial to have but they're so fucking late. In fact I expect some disappointments because you just know Russia have been busting their ass to ensure they can destroy at least one no matter what. Where are those things even going to to be stationed? You just know Russia will launch every strategic weapon they have on every western airfield in Ukraine, or hell, just allahu ackbar sabotage units at them. Operating F-16 from roads is kinda iffy I hear. Basing from NATO countries would be unfathomably based but lol they're pussies. Then, how good of an AIM-120 they're getting? Or jammer support?
>>61573885>Basing from NATO countries would be unfathomably based but lol they're pussiesPoland and Finland are talking louder these days
>>61568397Then maybe Saudis should start bankrolling Ukraine
>>61563331Not even this. What's wrong with loading, say, a QF-4 with explosives and using them as heavy cruise missiles?>>61567991I don't think you understand just how mindbroken Russians are by F-16. They're going to put the best minds they can scrape together to work just to take out one F-16, one way or another. They're going to try every trick they can think of just for that F-16. You won't hear the end of it for literal decades to come even if Russia collapses. Remember the Serbs?
one will get show down, and ziggers, /poltards, and brown ppl will spam the same pic of it on here for months
>>61573504You're a fucking moron. Don't post here again until you graduate highschool. You have to be a child with how ignorant these opinions are.
>>61573956>They're going to put the best minds they can scrape together to work just to take out one F-16, one way or another.I got some ideas if they're willing to do it any all cost, they're not gonna get a good exchange rate though
>>61567954Lots of doctors dropping dead where you're from?
>>61573532>Ukraine can't afford to waste pilots on shit as outdated as the A-10.We're talking about a country that tried to zerg rush a minefield without proper mine clearing equipment. Also just train more pilots or hire mercenaries to fly the A-10's, maybe do a mix of both so the trainies can learn from the Mercs in the field.I dunno about you but I'd rather have a fleet of A-10's that can take off from virtually any minimally maintained road as apposed to a fleet of F16's that basically have to be treated like a fragile baby. Sure give them F16's but also a fleet of Warthogs too so they can operate around the clock regardless of what shitty conditions they have to take off from or how many boolets they get sprayed with when flying over unsuspecting conscript trenches that would end up getting peppered with lead rain.>>61573520What's your point? A-10's are meant to fly low to avoid radars.>>61574017>wahhhhhhhh I don't like the old trusty warthog because I got stock invested in Lockheed and A-10's continuing to run well past everyone's expectations is ruining muh hecking portfolioFound the F-35 shill.
>>61573902Speaking softly and carrying bigger sticks.
>>61575251Yeah, you're definitely like 15 and a redditor. Stop posting here.
>>61560741>What's gonna happen tomorrow in Ukraine when F-16s become operationalthey're going to crash themthey're slavs, what are you expecting?
>>61575251>We're talking about a country that tried to zerg rush a minefield without proper mine clearing equipment.And their army is a lot larger than their air force, so they can afford to take more risks with them.>Also just train more pilotsAnd train the ground crews in maintaining a whole new vehicle type, and further complicate your logistics with, again, a near useless new aircraft. if you're going to go through all that effort, you might as well get something useful out of it.>or hire mercenaries to fly the A-10'sUnfortunately, real life isn't Ace Combat. there are no mercenaries who are trained to fly modern attack craft. and again, you'd have to train the ground crews as well.>I dunno about you but I'd rather have a fleet of A-10's that can take off from virtually any minimally maintained road as apposed to a fleet of F16's that basically have to be treated like a fragile baby.That's because you're a retard who doesn't know jack shit about warfare beyond video games.
>>61577464>And train the ground crews in maintaining a whole new vehicle type, and further complicate your logisticsYeah because it's not like Ukrainians don't already have a giant of menagerie mixed mashed second hand armor from all the N.A.T.O. countries...>a near useless new aircraft.WTF are you talking about? It already has a long proven track record of wrecking Russian tanks in Iraq, it's not some barely fielded experimental shit like the F-35 is.>if you're going to go through all that effort, you might as well get something useful out of it.30mm Gatling guns are useless? What kind of copium are you smoking dude?>Unfortunately, real life isn't Ace Combat. there are no mercenaries who are trained to fly modern attack craft. and again, you'd have to train the ground crews as well.Step 1: Find a bunch of old and very bored warthog vets.Step 2: Offer them the opportunity to give Russian conscripts twenty new assholes and make fat dough while doing so in Hololland.Step 3: Truck Warthogs and the maintenance crews in while also trucking some Ukrainians out to train on the A-10's in Romania so you have a constant flow of vets and newbies going back and fourth.Step 4: use random abandoned barn houses to store them in the meantime and when the time is right release a flock of warthogs to turn Russia's ground defenses and maybe a few helicopters into scrap metal.Step 5: Profit and laugh at dead Vatniggers.>That's because you're a retard who doesn't know jack shit about warfare beyond video games.I actually don't play a whole lot of video games, also whether you like it or not it's still a battle tested fighting aircraft. Why wouldn't Ukrainians want them? Sure seems like a better investment than the millions of shitty unreliable bullpup shotguns from Turkey that they've deluded themselves into thinking will protect them from Iranian Shaheds which is fucking laughable. Literally plastic and pot metal cope sticks.
>>61577464>post too longAlso....>>61577464>And their army is a lot larger than their air force, so they can afford to take more risks with them.>Having a large army makes it okay to bum rush a heavily guarded minefield on footFucking Chicom bugman logic, those are hardened experience vets they're never getting back because they're either wheelchair bound or six feet under.
Don't use them much, send a few more suicide cessna drones to blow up in russia and get them so paranoid they start downing thier own civilian aircraft.
>>61568059I remember when the /k/ommando who posted that made a thread on here to laugh at Kinzinger.
>>61577795>train slavs how to fly A-10s>they crash them all because they're retarded slavsgg no re
>>61577853>it's somehow better to let Ukrainians crash the even more expensive F-16's into the pavement because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY!?
>>61577795>Yeah because it's not like Ukrainians don't already have a giant of menagerie mixed mashed second hand armor from all the N.A.T.O. countries...then why make it worse?>WTF are you talking about? It already has a long proven track record of wrecking Russian tanks in Iraq, it's not some barely fielded experimental shit like the F-35 is.Yes, and guess what? the only reason it could do that was because other planes cleared the AD for them.>30mm Gatling guns are useless? What kind of copium are you smoking dude?Compared to air superiority (which they would need to clear AD anyway), yes.>Step 1: Find a bunch of old and very bored warthog vets.Fail to do so because they are retired and want to spend their time with their families.>whether you like it or not it's still a battle tested fighting aircraftAnd the T-55 is a battle tested tank, doesn't mean it's a good choice to field..>Why wouldn't Ukrainians want themFor all the reasons I've laid out in my posts.Also: they've already say they don't want them.https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/07/26/ukraine-official-says-country-doesnt-want-old-american-10s.html>>61577811>8 lines>too longlrn 2 read.>Fucking Chicom bugman logicI never said it was a good idea, and they stopped as soon as it turned out it wasn't one.
>>61577875I don't think you should trust slavs with any heavy machinery whatsoever, I wouldn't even forklift certify them
>>61561355America defeated all those countries tho, cope and seethe.
>>61568397> should be given A-10 Warthogs Wouldn’t it have been better to give them more bullets and shells? I know nothing of war but having ammo seems most important, as you can waste shells rather than lives.I presume the reason for giving f16s rather than ammo is that the US has plenty of f16s lying around, but needs to make more ammo which would require spending more money rather than already spent stuff.
>>61577924>more bullets and shellsYes, but you need something to keep the enemy airforce away from your the stuff that's shooting ammo and shells.>rather than already spent stufflike the 30yo ammo and shells the army is pulling out of it's stock
>>61577795Th A10 is a meme at this point. Any serious look at the data from the gulf war will tell you it was the worst performing airframe in the coalition. Most lost, least kills, most friendly fire incidents. It's a plane that teenagers and newspapers love, but not a genuinely good plane in the 21st century, particularly for a nation which cannot achieve air superiority.Go read. Shut up, and read.
>>61577924the F-16s given to Ukies are primarily Dutch
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>>61568397bait, or person who has to wear a helmet when they go outdoors?
>>61578538I feel like that's kinda like letting your retarded alcoholic brother with a suspended license over multiple DUIs borrow your mustang
So how we holding up, fellow /k/opers? With the F-16 wunderwaffen, we should be able to finish this thing up with /k/opefensive II in a little while, right?
>>61573885>Where are those things even going to to be stationed?build an airfield next to a nato country border town?
>>61563844>Korea was a draw. Vietnam was a clear military loss regardless of burger kvetching, and Afghanistan was a clear military successThe US didn't lose any of these wars militarily. None of those countries had an ability to defeat the US military in battle.
>>61560741my jet from the 60's wunderwaffen will surry defeat meany putler. does k realize how fucking delusional they sound?
>>61581977Are you drunk?
>>61582015Are the people thinking what little cold war era jets the US could scrounge together piloted by drunk slavs could be the turning point of the war drunk?
>>61582053Don't forget to eat something in order to ward off the hangover.
>>61582053The US isn't even supplying the jets, retard, it's the EU
>Ukes: ''THIS WILL CHANGE THE WAR''Russia meanwhile has more air defenses, planes, helicopters, munitions, spare parts and money. Can anyone provide a strong argument as to how this will make a substantial difference?
>>61584043>>61581977ukraine has a skeleton airforce, literally any assistance there is very good. russian AD is not great. it's not as useless as some people say but it's not great. F-16s wont be a huge mea culpa but it's definitely not nothing. unironically the radars and what munitions they can carry is most important
>>61560741Sneed's Feed & Seed (Formerly Kerch Straight Bridge)
>>61568206You must be joking. This entire debacle has shown the world how weak Russia is. African warlords are more competent than Vatniks.
>>61571700Shlop shlop shlop
>>61560741Ukrainians won't dare use it after Russia has explicitly said it will treat every F-16 as if it was carrying nukes. If they do, lol they were warned.
>>61584526>MUH NOOOOOKSI'm sure Ukraine will take Russia's Final Warning very seriously in their plans.
>>61584527NPC post
>>61584532Huh!? What was that?!...Must've been the wind...
>>61565403Watch for cessnas over the Red Square tomorrow
>>61584532Keep crying, boris
>>61584526Russia has literally been threatening nukes since 2008.Fuck around and find out, at this point.
>>61584542I cant stand the bias in those games.Play Fly Aces High 2(3?) it has realistic forces and engines compared to that "circle higher and gain speed!" bullshit. Learn real aviation in FAH2(originally hosted at a texas AIRFIELD as FAH1)
Despite the miserable incompetence of the russians and barbaric warlord levels of corruption and coping. despite a 3 day border walk turning into a three year battle of shipka pass. They're still throwing bodies and golf carts into the frey and hitting targets. The propaganda on both sides is atrocious. The west needs to send more than a fucking squadron if there's going to be any real impact. Anyone saying the vats cant use SAM systems literally hasnt watched this war at all, A major feature is how air sorties are basically ineffective on both sides and why western doctrine has been a total failure in implementation for the Ukrainians and has turned into shit flinging and artillery
>>61560741not much
>>61560741Same as it ever was
>>61567939>multiple tunguskasHow many?
>>61584043If this were a war between two actual armies, going from having no airforce to having one would force Russia to mobilize to a greater extent to deal with threats from the air, changing the economic calculus as to whether the war was even worth it.But since this is slav on slav warfare, they're just going to crash them within seconds of getting off the ground while blaming the West for not sending even more of them to wreck.
probably cry about how they need tens more billions of dollars again
>>61573885This is realistic, f-16 is giant larp, how many fcking airfields have ukraine even built while fighting a large scale war? They should just base some of them in Nato countries and use them from there if Russia escalates. That is also retarded because what else can Russia do right now other than drop a tactical nuke and cause an extremly large escalation? They are already at capacity in their war time economy.
>>61573885I think they have no choice but to use roads after the 2 airfields that they may have built by now are bombed. And the f-16 clean queen will eat shit trying to take off from them."Prior to takeoff, the pilot and ground crew conduct preflight checks on the F-16 Falcon, which requires a minimum takeoff distance of around 3,000 feet and a minimum runway length of 3,500 feet.The F-16 requires a clean runway for takeoff and landing. On unprepared runways, such as those that might be encountered in Ukraine, its large lower air intake could suck up debris from the ground."
>>61575251If you had a functioning braincell you would have mentioned the gripen but instead you chose to fanboy over the disposable cold war era morale booster that has been completely obsoleted by sensor packages and PGMs. The A10 would get absolutely shredded in any environment without absolute air supremacy, and no, the titanium bathtub wouldn't save it. It moves slow as shit, has the RCS of a schoolbus and has to get within spitting distance to identify targets, let alone engage them. Inb4 A-10C and upgrades, the ukes would get whatever was mothballed in the 80s. And if it can confuse a clearly marked British scimitar in a no engagement zone as an enemy, how is it supposed to know which T-72 to shoot? The thing would be worse than useless, the planes that don't get shot down would have a 50/50 chance of blue on blue.
>>61595128They've only mobilized 10% of their armed forces, but the actual question is whether it makes any economic sense for them to escalate by mobilizing any more than that (it probably wouldn't make the war profitable at that point)
>>61595128>how many fcking airfields have ukraine even built while fighting a large scale war?Ukraine can fly their F-16s out of NATO airfields, Russias doing air and missile strikes out of Belarus
>>61584542Obligatory
>>61561355>Murica still lost in Koreahow many people did the chinks lose
>>61565527You're a plain retard.
>>61563833Sadly it's not that important strategically.Russia has shifted most of its military traffic off the bridge since 2023. By now even the dumbest vatnik retard in charge knows that Ukraine can and will eventually destroy the bridge.Destroying it will still be good for morale and will deeply would Putin's fragile ego if nothing else. But it *should* have been destroyed years ago.
Why didn't Ukraine push for F-18s instead? Are the available airframes just all too thrashed? Seems like it'd add a huge amount of flexibility to be able to use whatever straight stretch of road.
>>61562848They will probably be much better platforms than their Migs to deliver the Hammer and the Stormshadow.
>>61562848>don't even have sensors or targetingno sensors are very quiet and don't give any detectable emissions
>>61595408Now that the Russians are showing signals that they are afraid to even use it, maybe Ukraine is being smart by not focusing on it. The Ukrainians are getting part of the benefits of if they had already destroyed it by all the fearmongering they have associated with it.
>>61560741Nothing, it looks like.
>>61595484What benefits? Crimea is not under any logistics strain.And nevertheless, the bridge has to go before Ukraine can attempt taking Crimea back, which will be among the biggest challenges of the war and not going to happen any time soon.
>>61595515Barely any, the only purpose is propaganda purposes, just to make people afraid to cross on the bridge and live in Crimea. And like you said Crimea can not be considered any time soon anyways.>>61595182youtube.com/watch?v=1TBoN2wjkh0I thought this video was interesting, it may cause severe strain to continuously mobilize at this point. Every single time that there are mobilizations there are also costs in the Russian economy.>>61595195I would love if NATO airfields were open to the Ukrainians, but I have not seen any articles or sources from any of the NATO countries even suggesting that as a possibility at this point.
>>61567939>receiving information from a control centerwow you just revealed their positions anyway you fucking moron. thank god people more intelligent than you are in charge of things, retards that think the world works like a YA military fic don't even deserve to draw breath
>>61595411Ukraine rejected Australia’s offer of 41 of its decommissioned F-18s. Apparently they weren’t in good condition.
>>61563844Korea>go in to defend South Korea>South Korea status: defendedVietnam>withdraw during a ceasefire>north violates ceasefire years later, invades when no US troops presentAfghanistan>take over country in a week with 12 casualties>run country for 20 years, suddenly leave, refuse to elaborate
>>61595693running a country so poorly for 20 years that everyone immediately chose to go back to the last guys within 24 hours (after leaving them $20,000,000,000 of your military equipment while retreating) is the exact opposite of an accomplishment, it's quite possibly the most embarrassing strategic defeat in world history
>>61595717imagine if a guy spent 20 years in your house, fucking your wife. and then, one day, he dipped out and was never seen again, leaving his wallet behind. You wouldn't say "yeah, I kicked that guy's ass", now would you?
>>61595717The Tali””””Chads”””” are crying about having to work for 8 hours a day.
>>61567939>just to realize that they're flying over multiple tunguskashow did these tunguskas get 50 kilometers inside Ukraines rear? did you pull them out of yours?
>>61595745I actually can't imagine what it's like to be a cuck like you lmao
>>61595787I'm positive that you can. Imagine hiding in a cave, cradling an AK-47, for two decades while a foreign government owns your country - and then declaring yourself a slayer of empires when they pack up and leave on their own accord. Ruling Afghanistan was never politically popular in the US, and never really had a purpose, either. It was a bizarre occupation and it should've ended sooner. But it certainly didn't end because of any military pressure caused by the Taliban; most years, American soldiers were more likely to die in accidents or via suicide than to be killed by an insurgent.
>>61595679Absolute retardation that was!!!! They could have been a real game changer compared to the runway queen!!!!!
>>61595781Lmao
>>6159585442% of those deaths were IEDs. I'm surprised USA has not created technology to counter these in the future. Unless they have and I just don't know about it.
>>61568397>Doubt it, not with all the lead and depleted uranium.That's a meme. WWI featured much more artillery fire and it only took them a decade or so to start farming in the old battlegrounds again. Lead from artillery and so-on in this war is only a fraction of that from then, so i doubt it would pose much trouble for farming. Mine-fields would be a bigger concern, especially as i doubt the russians mapped them very well, but even then, you could probably remove the majority of them easy enough.
>>61568600bait or retarded? call it.
>>61596113parts for 41 decommissioned F-18s, after the Canadians had already picked all the usable stuff. Finland or Spain would have to donate their active fleet for those parts to be useful.
>>61596190You're retarded for responding to a "radical centrist"This is how söychads win
>>61561514They have sanctions, they can literally only trade with 3 counties. Their poverty is artificial.
>>61595679>Apparently they weren’t in good condition.>Nyet, beat to hell MIG's is fine, also TWO MORE WEEKS TILL F-16'S FINALLY ARRIVE COMRADE!I think the Ukrainians while capable fighters are fucking retarded. Maybe swallow your pride and be thankful your getting anything at all? Do they even have an air force currently? Because I'm sure those Aussie planes are in far better condition for sure than whatever they fuck they're still piloting that hasn't shattered into pieces by now.>>61561514>I heckin love not being able to see the stars at night, oh boy dystopian soulless shopping centers at every turn for many many miles!!! Thank goodness we defeated Japan.Best Korea actually exports a lot of statues and art or did anyway before the Kung-flu ruined everyone's fun, thanks Obama and China.... And Trump for operation warp speed (my thanks is sarcastic, that should be obvious but some of you fuckers are dense so I'm just making sure you get that).
>>61596140That was the entire point of the MRAP program and V-shaped hulls in general
>>61567697Nobody is going to give you their in-service air forces. Ukraine is getting the old stuff that's being replaced by the F-35. Jets aren't tanks, nobody has big stockpiles of these things.
>>61563509> the bridgeIt's amusing that globohomo has become so fixated on this. They should just AI a downed bridge and get back to doing something that actually matters.
>>61598906>Because I'm sure those Aussie planes are in far better conditionthey had developed micro cracks in the center barrel, how's that for better condition?
>>61584542I have a better one
>>61584526>Russia has explicitly said it will treat every F-16 as if it was carrying nukesWhat is that supposed to change?
>>61600110I would think the USN has a large reserve fleet of (non-Super) Hornets?
>>61600234Probably that if they operate from another country, they will be hit there.
>>61600242I'm sure they do, a lot of them are still in service. The rest of them? What state are they in? What model are they? Probably older stuff in bad shape like the F-16s they're sending. The F-16 is probably easier to fix up and maintain logistically so they went with that. I mean, they did built 4600+ F-16s compared to 1480 F-18s. In any case, I think the media overhypes every new weapon as some sensational game changer. The truth is that massive amount of stuff like shells, mines, AA missiles... would help a lot more than a few jets and would be much cheaper. The West totally fucked up when they failed to immediately invest into production when in became clear that Ukraine won't fall instantly.
>>61600283>The F-16 is probably easier to fix up and maintainf16 mx fag here (avionics). it's not bad but it breaks a ton. the radar will brake every few flights. the sealant around the internal wing fuel probes is probably all rotted to shit and will be someone's nightmare. chances are the airframes are so twisted from over-Gs/decades of abuse that the boresight is way off, so unless they're dropping laser guided muns... well good luck
>>61567939>Russians know how to coordinate ADNot well enough to stop giving their brothers eternal flights.>It's not as simple as "just fire missile at radiation source"Right. Instead, you launch Storm Shadows and time the F-16s to release their HARMs about the same time Crews will have the choice of letting the Storm Shadows through and getting the mobik correction, or eating a HARM and getting the mobik correction.If you make the choice to keep the radar off to preserve the AD, you gift Ukraine a direct hit on a valuable target while expending less Storm Shadows and penetration aids like MALD. Instead of firing 8 Storm Shadows to score two hits, they shoot two to score two. Unless of course, you make the decision to stay on and get the radar mangled by tungsten cubes.>flying over multiple tunguskasAren't the Tunguskas a fucking no-show compared to Pantsirs and TORs? The only significant number of Tunguskas I've seen were in that video of the Russian complaining all of them were broken in some way and inoperable.>>61568600>they were quite literally originally invented for the sole purpose of potentially fighting a direct world war against RussiaThey were invented to be a A-1 Skyraider replacement based on the experience with Vietnam. They were repurposed as a sacrificial stopgap to delay Soviets while American reinforcements crossed the Atlantic. Against the Soviets, A-10s based in Germany would have a life expectancy of two weeks.
>>61573504>The Warthog is already battle tested in adverse conditionsThe only adverse condition was against the Iraqi Republican Guard, which shot down several A-10s and forced Gen. Chuck Horner to pull them back.The Iraqi Army in 1991, Iraq 2003, ISIS, Afghanistan, etc were not adverse conditions. They were in fact favorable conditions.>If I was a shill acting on behalf of Moscow or China I'd be down playing the A-10's capabilities and resilienceThey actually play up the A-10. They prefer to fight vulnerable and outdated aircraft instead of F-35s.There's a reason Pierre Srrey was invited by RT to shit on the F-35 and play up the A-10. They fear the F-35.
>>61573551>both sides are flying the su-25 frogfootAnd using them as shitty rocket artillery.I don't want CAS that suppresses my enemy with rockets falling ballisticaly. I want my JTAC to specifically tell the pilot to drop a 500 pounder and point the laser directly at my enemy machine gunner's dick because he can fly over the battle with impunity. Rather than ditching me and RTB'ing because his shit plane is too vulnerable to actually help.
